All right Coming up this week bad guys helping good guys, bad guys fighting bad guys, bounty hunters, sith Night sisters you know what's coming next Dogs and cats living together, Mass hysteria. All of that and more. This was one hell of a season finale, and we have some bonus. Tales of the Empire All that and more this week. It's a a lot. We've got a lot to unpack. Boys, all right, let's run it all right.
Speaker 1:Hey there, star warriors. Welcome to star wars safe space. You're not toxic, low sodium star wars show. That doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that sam went All right. Hey there, star Warriors. Welcome to Star Wars. Safe Space. Your non-toxic, low-sodium Star Wars show. That doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that Sam Witwer, who provided the voice for our man Darth Maul, is also the voice of Palpatine and portrayed Starkiller in the Force Unleashed games and was on Battlestar Galactica. He is a certified nerd and if you think you know more about Star Wars than Sam does, you are sorely mistaken. You are. I don't think George Lucas himself knows more about Star Wars than Sam does. Maybe Dave Filoni Maybe, I don't know All right. So whether you're a hardcore Star Wars fan or just a little swarzy curious. This is your Star Wars safe space, so welcome. We are the Circle of Nerds and we do absolutely love Star Wars, even if we don't always like it. So let's meet the crew, shall we so? Pilot of the infamous Parma Flyer. It's Crash.
Speaker 2:Hey everybody, S-Foil's locked and let's do it.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I want to fly with someone named crash. That seems counterintuitive but, I survive. Very true, it's like calling a survive. Well, yeah, yeah, another happy landing, and from parts unknown. It is t to the oni, oni, oni welcome back to the galaxy, everybody aka jedi master ba loni. We haven't used that in a while we have not right and I'm sorry, all right.
Speaker 1:So what are we doing? Well, very simple. We are on a mission to watch all of the canon star wars films and tv shows in chronological order, breaking them down, connecting the dots and learning a bit more about star wars, and maybe even about ourselves. So if you're, uh, ready to go on this ride with us and jump to light speed, please be warned all you would be star warriors. There will be spoilers, so we're going to get into it. We've got a lot to unpack. So this week we are again. We're talking about season 4, episode 19 through 22, plus episode 1 of tales of the empire, which slots right in there between episode 19 and 20. So it's's episode 19, and then episode one, tales of the Empire, and then we've got 2021-22. Well, before we get into it, crash, you said you've got some news for us. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Right now, star Wars Celebration Japan is starting to take shape and, if you're paying attention, or if you're lucky enough that you want to be able to head out there, the guest lineup is starting to take shape Alan Tudyk, anthony Daniels, ashley Eckstein a lot of the regulars that you see at celebrations the last few years Diego Luna and Oscar Isaac what Kymir? I can't ever say his last name. Great dude Can't say his last name. Anyways, they're all going and as you get closer to the artwork, the exclusive artwork for the convention, some of those were released. I posted one on our Facebook group. You know us, we love that Umbara arc and I saw that one and it was just like damn, joe.
Speaker 3:Crony, I'm buying somebody else's work for once.
Speaker 2:Um, the badge artwork looks great. Very, very japanese century. You know there's a lot of style, japanese style artwork being incorporated into it. If you get a chance, go on the official website, look it up. There's some really great stuff you'll you'll find something for your wall, trust me um, keep talking about it.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna try to grab it. Keep keep talking. Look it up, there's some really great stuff. You'll find something for your wall.
Speaker 2:Trust me, keep talking about it. I'm going to try to grab it. Keep talking, I'm going to grab it and pull it in. If you haven't been to a Star Wars celebration before, a lot of times there's so many exclusives that it's hard to keep up with the artwork's great. You start to meet some of the new artists that work regularly with Lucasasfilm. I'm a big joe caroni fan. I've been friends with him for years. Uh, on one of my other walls I've got one of his prints from, uh, the chicago con. It was a rogue one. Uh, my, my crush for jenner, so there was no bounds. I finally bought the big print of that. It's up there. Um, immediately, you know the actors from the shows. Like I said, said Ashley is all over the place. Celebration brings out the big guns. If you're a Star Wars fan, yeah, that's the Umbara one. There it is.
Speaker 1:That is gorgeous All of our podcast listener. I'm sorry you can't see this, but do head over to our YouTube channel and you can check this out. As you you know, we do love, love, love, love the umbara arc and this I mean that is just absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 2:I can't. I didn't catch the name of the guy who did it though I when I posted I just copy pasted, but I mean that I want to look up his other. His other work is this is just beautiful yeah, it looks like joe hogan joe, that's it, joe hogan the name of the artist.
Speaker 1:I think that's what's on there joe hogan okay, um so, yeah, all right, that's uh. God, I wish I could go. I've always wanted to go to japan and to go to celebration in japan. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2:I wouldn't come back I did and london was a big deal for my family went with me, my sister and I. We went to the convention. We left mom and dad at the hotel and said, okay, we're going. We came all the way to europe, we're still going to star wars convention and I mean, they're just a blast yeah, I my my first and only celebration uh was germany, so that was.
Speaker 1:That was really really cool and I was.
Speaker 2:I was rocking my my rex and, uh, I dropped my helmet twice once once about like maybe 20 minutes before the costume contest and a collective gasp from everybody around you, because once you hear that plastic crunching sound, everybody knows what that means it was, yeah, like I had been.
Speaker 1:I had been in rex since about seven o'clock in the morning and I had meant to, like you know, kit down, but because of the way the panels were lined up and there was there were different photo ops and things like that, I, I just and the the costume contest was later on in the day, I was dehydrated, I was fatigued, I the, and the helmet that I have is one of um is one of the back off helmets from kevin weir of um imperial armory, which the finest clone armor on planet earth bar none. If so, this he does not sponsor us in any way, but, um, do check out kevin weir's. You will not find finer animated clone trooper armor anywhere on planet earth. I promise you that, um. But uh, I was, you know, with other buckets. You know you can hold it anywhere and it's fine, but because it has the back off mod, it's it's meant to seal tighter on your neck. So when you put it on the back of, it is held on with like a piece of velcro and it pops open so it can get onto your, your melon, and then it snaps back into place with magnets, because with other buckets you can see up into the bottom, but of course in clone wars that's like everything is snug to the neck.
Speaker 1:Um, so I was again. It was at my. The first drop happened at the carrie fisher panel. I grabbed the back of it and the velcro pulled loose and the whole thing just hit the ground. No, no damage. I was like all right, cool. So I put it back and then, like we were outside getting some fresh air and I did the, I did the same thing again and the the little frankenstein bolts that are on rex's helmet, those popped off. So I had to run the hotel, get the glue gloom back on and I was able to make the contest, like with like 10 minutes to spare, if that. And I got second place, so nice, behind an incredibly stupid, accurate boba fett, an esb boba, um, but he's a good guy, he was, he's a, he's a member of the, the, uh, the british garrison. Uh, super cool guy. And you know, I mean, if you're gonna, if you're gonna lose first place to anybody, I'm, I'm good that it's boba.
Speaker 2:So my pilot costume. I had a helmet. I had a gold leader shadow squashing colors helmet A little easier to carry. I never wore mine. I always had it in the NASA promo photo tucked under the arm. I always had to hear what was going on at events. Once you put those things on, it is like radio silence.
Speaker 2:I'd always have it tucked under my arm, or a lot of times I just left it at home. You know, the beauty of the rebel pilots was, yeah, we don't have to have our helmets on. So I was like you know. I remember when we did a celebration orlando, and it was, you know, the big group photo day, everybody's in their best gear. And afterwards I was like, okay, I'm gonna walk two blocks down to our hotel strip into street clothes and come, I had to take a rickshaw back.
Speaker 2:I was so exhausted from the humidity and the hike, I was just like no man, I'm not walking back. I'll pay the 20 bucks the kid.
Speaker 1:This guy can pedal me oh, yeah, yeah, I, I'm actually thinking about putting together a rebel pilot, because I've got it, I've got a tie pilot already and I'm kind of, you know, because of modern day events, I've really become kind of disillusioned with the empire. You know, most people are drawn to the empire because they just look cool, you know?
Speaker 2:oh, I was supposed to have a tie pilot. Yeah, my first costume was supposed to be a tie pilot and for various reasons it turned into a death star trooper. Which turned into I never wear it.
Speaker 1:Which turned into I like the orange better yeah, yeah, and that was that was mine, that mine was, mine was a um, the uh, um imperial crewman, because it's just, it's basically the tie pilot, but without the, the bucket and the, the chest box and all that. Yeah, so did that while I was waiting on the purchase of the bucket and the, the chest piece, um, but yeah, it was, it was. It's cool. I mean, that's the thing. You know, bad guy gear always looks cool. But now I'm kind of like, oh, I'm kind of, you know, leaning more towards the, uh, the, the plucky rebels, and you know their sense of hope. Because, brothers and sisters, guys and gals and non-binary pals, do we need a little hope right now? Yes, we do All right.
Speaker 1:We do. What's that?
Speaker 2:We're going to hope we should get into this episode.
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Speaker 3:You're allowed to have your own opinions. You're allowed to have your own hot takes.
Speaker 1:Just don't show anybody else's, absolutely 100, all right. So let's get into it. Man, we do have a lot to unpack. So this was two arcs kind of woven together. Uh, I would say they're. They're. They're two separate ish arcs, but they are so. But we get to see.
Speaker 1:We, this is our first, uh, our first look at um, um, morgan Ellsworth, uh and uh, the tragedy of of her and uh, the rest of, uh, her clan, um, and I assume the mountain clan as well, maybe, but then again, maybe not, because the mountain clan they were kind of, uh, she was kind of on her, uh, on her business. So so we're looking at massacre, path of Path of Fear and Bounty. Those were kind of the ones that kind of go together. So we're seeing that and if you guys have anything that you want to talk about, definitely jump in, because these were all very, very heavy episode. So the order that you really want to watch these is episode 19, then tales of the empire, episode 1, and then 20, 21 and 22, in that order, and then you'll get that whole, that whole nice story there.
Speaker 1:Um, we, we are seeing a. We're seeing dooku throwing a temper tantrum, basically because he got embarrassed Pretty much he got embarrassed. So he wants Asajj dead, he wants Mother Talzin dead, he wants the Night Witches wiped out. But is that because he was embarrassed or is it because he knows what kind of a threat they are to him? What do you guys think?
Speaker 3:I mean, I think it's a little bit of column a, I think it's more column B. Yeah, I mean, my only frustration with with Duku in this particular thing is you can say, oh, she betrayed me. She betrayed me, dude, you betrayed her first. Like yeah, like what the fuck man?
Speaker 1:and it's. That's pretty typical bully behavior, though, right, I mean they don't, uh, they don't want to. You know they, they want to pile it, but as soon as you start trying to make a comeback, they're like no, no, no, we can't have that.
Speaker 1:But we got to see the voodoo stuff. I mean, the voodoo stuff was making me, I was laughing my ass off. I mean, that was, it's like you don't, you don't expect it. Sherry and I were watching this and even sherry was like whoa wait, what? What? Um, daca we had zombie night sisters, can we just please talk about the absolute terror of zombie night sisters please?
Speaker 2:yeah, it was kind of an interesting new twist. You know, we've always had this concept of the force and this energy field that connects living things, but after they're dead you sort of assume, like we all kind of believe, like that's sort of the end of that cycle. Apparently for the night sisters they can dabble in things that some would consider unnatural and it's interesting to watch us. You know you were saying with dooku acting like a bully. Remember, he's the apprentice, he's the number two ego, he's the number two in this relationship. But I think in these episodes you see him trying to flex his authority, his ownership of the Confederacy, and I think it was a lot of. He's making deals with Mother Taliesin behind Palpatine's back and I think when she's starting to become a player in the Clone Wars, that's going to ruffle Palpatine's feathers eventually and I think that's why I think a lot of this was just taking a player off the board.
Speaker 2:Ventress was sort of collateral damage. Take my kid to work day. She was never really a Sith apprentice, she was always sort of just a Force-sensitive assassin, mm-hmm. And when he turned on her and betrayed her and you know all of this started, you know it was really. You could tell this was Dooku trying to preserve his place in the hierarchy, to borrow Dwayne Johnsonism. You know he's the number two, he's the apprentice to, you know Palpatine. And it's just like okay, these chicks step that a line, I'm gonna send grievous and the droids and we're just gonna wipe them off the board.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's exactly what happened, unfortunately, um, despite that, I mean and you bring up a good point about their, uh, their magic you know obviously that it's, it's in some way force-based, but, um, when they reanimated those corpses you know, I think that you know the the, those ladies had moved on into the force or whatever it is that they believe it's just they're rotting corpses that were left. It was terrifying, but it was very interesting. It's interesting to see other people in the galaxy wield this power in a different way and, arguably, in a potentially more powerful way. But it's it also. I mean, it's kind of a giveaway. You can find it. Just follow the green mist and then there you go.
Speaker 1:So it's not I mean other practitioners of the force, it's it also. I mean it's kind of a giveaway. You can find it. You just follow the green mist and then there you go. So it's not I mean other practitioners of the force, it's invisible, you don't see it. It's just all of a sudden you're getting choked out. But yeah, with the, with the night sisters, you can kind of follow them back to their, their hidden lair.
Speaker 2:And you gotta love Dave. You guys have covered Ahsoka when it came out. But we see a little bit of that later on with the night sisters and Ahsoka. You know the the night troopers they call them are basically the same as you know these night sister zombies under those buckets, yeah, so when they make that, that, that screeching sound, and the eyes are glowing green, you know my first thought was oh man First off, long green. You know my first thought was oh man first off. Dave does remembers everything. You know. Filler episode is prologue to him right.
Speaker 1:This is a great thing.
Speaker 2:Call back to the night sisters later on in ahsoka when they can bring dead troopers back to be basically just self-regenerating red shirts and you know, and that's, and that's what's interesting about dave too.
Speaker 1:It's like I really feel like dave is sitting around the kitchen table sometimes and he's like man, what can we do for a series? Or what can we do for an episode? You know what? Let me, let me go back to the episode with jar jar and you know he's, he's on rhodia and you know what? There was a guy in the background that was just. He was just a placeholder. Let's go ahead and make an entire story around this guy and make him the brand new protagonist and of this new series.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that'll be great and that's dave. I feel like that's how his, his brain works, like it was, it's like unintentional prologue, I think. A lot of times he's like this is just one and done. You know we're just gonna put this guy looks cool, you know he's just in the cantina or whatever. And then 15 years later now our heroes are fighting that guy.
Speaker 1:So now let me ask you this we, we at the at while this is happening, I assume that during the time that Grievous was on his way to find Mother Taliesin, that's maybe when he encountered Morgan Ellsworth, because we don't see them directly tied to Mother Taliesin, so they're potentially a different clan completely. So so along his way he runs into them and and then all that happens. So so with. This is my question with with. Oh, hold on, I had another question. I'm sorry, I'm all over the place tonight.
Speaker 1:Um, you had mentioned dooku being the apprentice. So my question is knowing what we know about dooku and knowing you know his, his dealings, his little, his little side hustles and things it's expected for the apprentice to, to sauce the master and take on their own apprentice, do you think dooku would have done that eventually? Or would he have just stayed a loyal apprentice and palpatine knew that, which is why he had. Well, I don't want to jump too far ahead, but you know we, you know he had things happen. But do you think that Duke, who had it in him to actually betray and murder Palpatine so he could become, you know the true, you know dark Lord of the Sith?
Speaker 3:so I would say no, because he, like the last episode of this podcast that we just did is when he could have done it. Yeah, like if he was gonna, if he wanted to take off palpatine, that was the time to do it and he had ample opportunity if that was his intention.
Speaker 1:Okay, so just more faithful number two, with maybe no ambition to take that number one spot.
Speaker 3:I just think he realized just how powerful Palpatine is to have gotten to the position that he's in the long term planning. I think he just knows he can't beat Palpatine.
Speaker 1:All right, crash. What do you think?
Speaker 2:I think he was a loyal number two in that, whatever Palpatine sold him on this idea of starting the Clone Wars, I think Dooku's arrangement was that he would become the public face of the Confederacy and he would run the Confederate government and then, when they broker a deal with the Republic to split and they just sort of go their separate ways, Dooku would run Camp A and Palpatine would run Camp B Plus tell him what to do. So I think he never had any ambitions to betray his master, but I have a feeling he wanted just this. I said he had this comfortable power hierarchy within the confederacy, and ventress and mother talzin are a threat to that right, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, I don't. I don't think that he ever had his eyes on the prize of being like the sith lord. I don't think that that was. I think that he there was. There was a symbiotic relationship between the two of them. Palpatine needed duke, whose influence and you know his, his power, but I think duke, who also legitimately wanted to see an end to the, the corruption, and then just the, the rotten core that was the republic. But you know, of course, you know he got. He got twisted by palpatine and started doing things the wrong way. But I, I really don't think that that he was ever really had his, his sights set on becoming that evil, dark lord. He just wanted things to be the way that they were supposed to be in his mind, the way that they were supposed to be.
Speaker 1:So now, seeing morgan, we saw what happened with, of course, asajj. She once again narrowly escapes um same thing with morgan and we're going to see a lot more of her, not as much as I would like, because she's a great character. So I, I would, I would have liked to have seen more. But do we have knowing now if we're watching everything chronological or this is your first time meeting Morgan, so we don't want to go too far ahead in that, but do you feel genuine sympathy for these two women, knowing the route that they've taken? Especially Asajj, I mean, she has been a thorn in the side of the Jedi and the Republic. She's killed a lot of clones. She's killed a lot of clones, um, but we see that you know, this desire to be part of something, part of something bigger, you know this, this need for to be part of some sort of a family unit, um, it's really what drives her, seemingly. You know, we, we got a little taste of that, and it's not canon anymore, I know, but in the 2D micro series she wanted so badly to be part of this Sith conclave with Dooku and Palpatine and of course, she ends up getting betrayed by them again, them again.
Speaker 1:But, um, so, yeah, do you, after these two episodes, are you feeling any sympathy? Do they deserve sympathy, these two? For, uh, I mean morgan, we really, you know, at this point I would say yes, but um, but what about asajj? What do you guys think about that? Like, is she still deserving of a little sympathy? Or it's like nah, fuck that kid, she deserves everything she gets. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2:I think so. This is the part where Asajj Ventress starts to become more than just a trope. You know, she was in the micro series. She was just the Sith chick with two blades, something different than we've seen. Sith chick with two blades, something different than we've seen Even in the beginning of this series. You know, okay, she's Dooku's assassin, she's got two blades. What we see later there's a bit of a flirtiness between her and Obi-Wan, even as adversaries, much less allies, temporarily. I love that. That's great, we'll get into that. We'll get into that one.
Speaker 2:But it's the kind of thing where in this arc, you start to see where she was being mistreated. She was being manipulated because she desired a family unit of some kind besides the Nightsister. I have a feeling Dookuoku. I don't know if this was officially canon, but I always got the sense that whatever partnership talzin and dooku had, she was sort of the player to be named later and added yeah, she becomes his assassin as part of whatever partnership they had. So she, she was traded away from her family to dooku, who betrays her. She comes home and we see this Basically, they're reintegrating her into their coven and she even said this carnage, this army that's coming here is because of her. She brought it on her own.
Speaker 1:She did and she felt bad for that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean she felt bad for that. Yeah, I mean she felt regret. I mean that's not. Regret is not a trait of the sith no the sith, have no regrets. They just, they're just forces of nature. They, they do what they do. And regret is a weakness. Tony, what do you think? Sympathy, sympathy, to your name.
Speaker 3:So for Morgan, definitely at this point, I don't, at this point have enough to say that she was on an evil path to begin with. But hey, when your home gets invaded for something that you had nothing to do with and your entire family and clan is killed off, yeah, you're going to have some anger, you're going to gonna have some resentment. I don't blame her in the slightest for that.
Speaker 3:Now, obviously, what we will come to learn about her role in the future it becomes kind of a well, if you're siding with the Empire and they're the ones who ultimately are responsible for that well, that's kind of fucked up. But at this point, yeah, I've certainly got some sympathy. As for Asajj, I definitely like these episodes and that story that they're telling certainly give me some empathy and sympathy for her. I just at this point. I mean, if you recall, back when we first started getting into this and we watched Tales of the Jedi, there was a lot of talk about how I love the character of Dooku and that backstory and how he became who he is. Right, and now with these, I really want to see that same thing for her, because I think she is. There is a lot more depth to her character now than what we're used to seeing and what we've seen in the past and, depending on how that goes, she may be a very sympathetic character.
Speaker 1:I just don't know yet, right right and you know what, and let's build on that as we go into the episode Bounty, we really get to see there was a lot of fan service in this episode. We got to see Bossk. We got to see Boba. I've never been a fan. What's that? We got a little bit more Embo.
Speaker 1:I've never been a fan of young Boba in the Clone Wars. I love Boba Fett, but I've just. I mean he's, he's just such an angsty teen. It's just like dude, you're so emo, just dial it down a notch. I get it. You saw your dad beheaded. You're angry dude. But he just is like giving off like trust fund brat vibes. It's like you're the brat bounty hunter. Just relax, the man is capable, the young man is capable. We could, we've seen him fight, you know he's, he can handle himself. Um, but I'm just like, oh god, he just irks me.
Speaker 1:I just want to like and then like seeing asajj's interactions with him. I love it. Like sheen is like that big sister or just someone needs to smack this guy in the mouth someone. Oh, but shut up, shut up. So, but seeing asaj in this, this like, for me anyway it gives.
Speaker 1:Now she's definitely earning some sympathy points. You know she's. She's earning some empathy points because from the get-go bosk, dengar and uh, lots, rizzy, razzy, uh, they were kind of like strong arming her, and I'm watching this and I was like you know, gang, she could like sauce, you like in five seconds. You're not bullying her, you're not scaring her, she just she needs you right now, kind of. But I thought that was funny.
Speaker 1:I thought you know, bosk, you know trying to threaten her and pressure, pressure her. And then boba trying to threaten her. I'm like, come on, kid, not just just knock it off, just it's not gonna happen, because she really could have taken all of them out and then just done the job herself, but she didn't. And then, once she's faced with the job and she finds out the truth, the double cross happens and, dare I say, does she have a foot on the path towards the light side at this point? Does she have a foot on the path towards the light side at this point? Like, what are, what are your thoughts on that? Because this is I.
Speaker 3:I was like, oh all right, asajj, I'm, I'm feeling you, I'm feeling you so I will say this particular episode for me asajj was giving um jack sparrow vibes. Okay, not like, not not necessarily bad, good, just doing their own thing, all right.
Speaker 2:Self-interest.
Speaker 3:There's that line that kind of got glossed over a little bit, where you find out how he became who he is and he says people aren't cargo. And that very much reminded me of this, where once she realizes what the package is, she says you know what? And to be fair, we can say, yeah, well, she also did it to get a second payday, but she did Well she did the right thing.
Speaker 1:She did the right thing.
Speaker 2:And she even gave them the. You know she only took her cut. She could have taken the whole case and like split yeah, yeah, she got her cut and a little extra.
Speaker 1:So I mean she, you know. So I mean yeah, so that was, it was nice. So she got like a double ransom payment, you know, and that's cool. So, yeah, I get it. Yeah, that's a, that's a good point. Tony, a little jack sparrow vibes, but she has a moral compass surprisingly yeah, crash. What's your take on it?
Speaker 2:um, I thought again, this is one of those you know filler episodes prologue, you know, and and with her we're seeing she. She doesn't quite know her path. She knows she doesn't like she's given up on the Dooku path. The Nightsister path has been taken away from her.
Speaker 2:I liked at the end when she's talking to Bosk and the guys about, like I've been where you are now, you guys, I think you're these hot bounty hunters. You can just go and do what you gotta do. You know somebody, everybody works for somebody. It was a line they used in salt, like akira uses in solo, and I think ventress was very um hip to the fact that, okay, these these bounty hunters think they're the, the, the big guy dog on campus, but you always you work for somebody and and if and if that somebody is not the best, you know moral character. You know you're taking bad jobs. You're risking your life for bad jobs because you need credits and right, yeah, because she could have just fallen in with this crowd and and literally become the new alpha in no time oh, she could have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she could have 100, taken that crew over, no one would have stopped her and and then just put a little little angsty boba in his place and, you know, run the show. But I think she, you know she was very reluctant to sort of get burned again. You know, she needed, she took, she took the job because she, you know, okay, she killed one of their guys and they basically were going to blackmail her into doing this gig. But it doesn't mean she has to join the band, it doesn't mean she has to stay with them. And then, once she realized the moral murkiness of what the cargo and what the job entailed, I love the fact that she pulled the switch on them to base and, and you know, and didn't let them open the case until she was gone and and that's, that's a very slick way of screwing over the bad guy, really.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to say this, and I don't know if it's a hot take or not, but massage is just sexy, and I don't even necessarily mean that in a sexual way. I just mean like she's so smooth, she's so sarcastic, she's just, she's one of those quote unquote villains that you love to hate. But I'm really not even getting villain vibes from her anymore. I'm getting very close to anti-hero, very close. She's not quite there yet, but we've got a couple people watching. Uh, let us know what you think like. What are your thoughts on miss asajj ventress? You know, is she, is she just that jack sparrow type character, or is she on the path to being more of an anti-hero? Because you could, even with jack sparrow, you could, argue that he's. He's got a moral compass, but I wouldn't even say he's an anti-hero necessarily. He's maybe not quite there yet either. So I don't know, let us, let us know all of our viewer, let us know uh she's got the riz, she really does, she really does like.
Speaker 1:If. If I were making her a character in in any sort of rpg, she would have to have at least like an eight charisma at least, if not more, you know, but uh and she's such a great foil to ob-Wan Some of the best villain-hero relationships.
Speaker 2:There's obviously opposite genders. There's a quote sexual tension that people like to read into these things, but I think just as straight-up character-to-character she counters his flirty, witty snark. It's Fred and Ginger.
Speaker 1:They have this, this difference between them even when they're fighting, and she can out snark obi-wan, I mean that's. And like again, sherry and I were watching this and it's, so that's a great segue. Let's, let's move on into brothers, because that's where, um, that's, was it Brothers or was it Revenge?
Speaker 2:It was Revenge it was Revenge. Brothers was mostly the Savage fighting.
Speaker 1:Then we'll circle back. Since we're on this, the, this dance that we've seen, you know, since the very beginning, since the Clone Wars movie, we've seen this, this dance between the two of them, and it's just fun to watch and I so badly would have loved to have seen maybe not the two of them in a, in a romantic relationship, but almost like a, like a buddy comedy sort of thing. You know, I I would love to like. I think we're getting a Kenobi season two, I believe that's. That's either happening or it's in the works.
Speaker 2:Everything from it's in the talks to there they may be. There may be a cameo by Ewan in season two of Ahsoka like so does that count? Yeah, cover the, you know we'll find out.
Speaker 1:Nothing's been formally announced yet. Once the celebration japan happens, we might get some new information oh, we're gonna get new information in japan, for sure that's gonna happen. I I really, really hope that we get asajj somewhere in live action, because she's not dead, she won't die and we, we need it and and what better than to put her in the kenobi series?
Speaker 1:you know, I mean, like I I was really hoping in season one of kenobi that she would have found him down and out, um, but that's, that's gotta happen. I mean I just that's the trailer. I mean that's the trailer for season two. Obi-wan is sitting in a market, in a cafe, somewhere, and then in the background, all you hear is kenobi and that's it. Like that's it. You don't even have to show her you, it's just the way she says his name. It's just it's like a fine wine or like a port. It's just kenobi. It's like lover I'm have.
Speaker 3:I'm getting way more respect it needs to be a dax designer and she walks in.
Speaker 1:Yeah there you go, there you go, and again we don't even, don't even have to see her. Just it's like a slow uh you know, like a slow crawl towards obi-wan's face. He's just sitting there, contemplative, thinking about everything, um, and as the as the camera gets closer and closer, he's just kind of like staring down at his jawa juice, and then you just hear it in the background, kenobi, and he just looks up the only trick's gonna be, with with, uh, lars thron, you almost gotta find the voice actress and you almost gotta see if you can put her in enough makeup, whatever you gotta do to make her look like Ventress.
Speaker 2:I know a lot of shows. They sort of draw the character, sort of to resemble the actor, just like with Thrawn. That voice is what really sold it. The crossover from animation to live action and the other way around with Bo-Katan, where it's just like oh you gotta it has to be, because it is the voice and the attitude and all of that.
Speaker 1:I think you could find an actress to do that. I mean you know it's.
Speaker 2:Rosario's done a great job with ahsoka. You know she's not ashley, but she plays a much older version of ashley, yeah an older version.
Speaker 1:Um, so I think that, yeah, I think if we could have, we could have that, because, oh god, that would be so great, and then that could potentially even be an opening for more quinlan voss, because quinlan and asajj were they were, they were knocking boots, they were doing the no pants dance, I believe. So, um, that would be very interesting. Um, I don't do we know if, if vos is alive at this time, I don't know, I, I don't really, I don't.
Speaker 2:I haven't there. There's a mention of him in obi-wan kenobi as part of the path right, but we don't see him. We don't know if he's, like, currently alive at the time he's mentioned, but yeah, he's been referenced and even the difference between him in the comic books. He's a much gruffer kind of guy versus as we see him in Clone Wars. He's more of like a mellow surfer dude it's going to be interesting yeah, yeah, he's cool and I think that he's a good.
Speaker 1:He's a good match for asajh, because she's she's very flirty and playful, but she's also she's a little stiff, and quinlan is like you said that he's that surfer dude and I would, uh, I would love to see a little romantic comedy with them. I'm not a fan of rom-coms, but, uh, I'd watch that take that plus, right, but no, we got it.
Speaker 1:We got to see a stage in dealing with kenobi in some way. So so, yeah, so we're we're looking at, we're talking about revenge, the episode revenge and she comes to save the day, and it's like you said this, just their quips, they're just, they're back and forth, it's.
Speaker 2:It's so amazing to watch, it's so well written and and, and I know we're going to come back to the, the first half of that arc, but it was. This was big I we were talking before the show. I remember I was at Celebration 6 in Orlando and they had a red carpet premiere for the new season because everybody was jazzed about Darth Maul being back and I had to go digging through the archives. I still got the poster.
Speaker 1:Oh, look at that.
Speaker 2:And it's just beautiful. And this was it. It was the Maul brothers. Back in action.
Speaker 1:Lift it up a little bit more. What's on the bottom?
Speaker 2:It's got the Clone Wars logo. They had a new day and time. I can't remember when it originally aired. It was like a. They moved to like Saturday morning, I think, and that was, like you, that was primetime cartoon time, because this is when the show was really cooking and they wanted a good time slot. But this idea that a guy who we thought was dead in episode one is coming back. He'd been in some cool non-canon alternate universe stories like Vision and stuff like that. They had a thing with him with the prosthetic legs and there was all sorts of great the spider look that we first see Darth Maul in.
Speaker 2:Everybody was excited because there was all this cool art that we had been seeing for years. Dave went. I'll take a little bit of that. I'll take a little bit of that. I'll take a little bit of that. Double it all together. I got a brother, so now we got the master and apprentice of these two they hadn't quite figured out that hierarchy yet, but just two horned badass dudes on a trip for revenge. It was going to be Kenobi and maul the rematch and so.
Speaker 1:So now let's, let's circle back to that. Let's get I mean we, because we could, we could do an entire episode on the vibe that is asajj and kenobi. But, um, we, even we, the episodes even started hard with they. They changed their color yeah, the red logo.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's just like whoa, wait a minute. Something's about to happen, and it was all about the mall man, it was all about mall and and tip of the hat to sam.
Speaker 1:Sam crushes it. Sam brought something, because maul was a very one-dimensional character. You know, he was just a henchman. He was just that guy he was. He wasn't known as a talker.
Speaker 2:You know he didn't have a lot of lines in the movie because they had a dub ray parks weird voice right and you know to get sam who just masterclassed it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Cause in the in the live action.
Speaker 1:We you know we don't get much from mall. I mean, you get he's. He's a Darth. We know that he's. He's Sidious, is number two, but he just felt more like a, like an attack dog than an actual Sith partner. I think that's exactly what he was meant to be. He was just that. You know that club, you know that Palpatine was using. But when Sam got his hands on this character and he just plays that, that trauma and that, that disconnect from reality and and we see it when, when we get back to when, when Savage gets him, gets him back to Dathomir, and mother Towson is like literally pulling the charts yeah, she's pulling the trauma. I was like that's better than therapy. I mean, can I?
Speaker 2:mother give me some of that you booked me an appointment.
Speaker 1:I mean, can you pull some of that shit out of my head too? But it's just um, oh, speaking of towels and I'm sorry again, I'm all over the place when she made that collect call to dooku coming out of his fucking body to facetime him like, are you kidding me? We, we always talk about vader, how he's able to force, choke people across the tv. You know he did that to amara ozzel and all that right. We, you know, we've seen that. But this was a cross. Wherever duke who was, it was not right next door and she, she did a, she did a luke. When luke force projected you know to to fight kylo. But but tausend did that and caused him physical pain, came up out of his guts like, ah, and you're a bad witch. You are one bad witch.
Speaker 2:The zombies, the Night Sister, voodoo this was some dark Imagery for something that Was getting a reputation. Again, people were early on. This is a cartoon. We're getting deep people we're getting dark.
Speaker 1:Sorry. So, coming back, so we find, we find mall in the cave, we've got spider mall and it's just, I almost felt bad for him. I almost felt bad for him because of, because of his, his psychosis, you know. But also, you know, dude, brought on yourself, but as a, as a man, I can, I, I can feel that, you know, I could, because he got his lower half chopped off and he didn't get it back so he lost his saber.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. I mean, he lost his, yeah, he lost his little saber. I mean I don't know if it was little, I'd like to think that darth maul was packing, but but he, he lost his, his buddy. That would make me crazy too, not just the fact that that kenobi cut him in half, but kenobi caused the loss of of his butt and, uh, I, I could, I could almost, I could almost feel for the guy at that point, because you just know. And then, when, when town talzin gave him his new legs I don't think she gave him a new, like robo welly, I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 2:When she did that, you know, she, she, she reassembled him and using droid parts, you know, and just stripping what she needed, you know, the bare raw materials out of these, these droids who just wiped out her coven. And and I always, you know, whenever I watched that episode, you know that scene, I'm always, I fall, I fall into, do my bad. Forrest Gump every year magic legs.
Speaker 3:Cause you know that was that was.
Speaker 2:That was a very popular look in the alternate divisions where he had the spring loaded legs and he could run real fast. He could do all these cool things with these legs and I like the fact that they showed him when he first stood up. It wasn't like a perfect, like oh sure, this is just my new leg. He wobbled, he had to readjust, he got that shit in seconds. He first stood up. It wasn't like a perfect, like oh sure this is just my new look.
Speaker 1:He wobbled, he had to readjust, he got that shit in seconds. I mean that vengeance.
Speaker 3:Maul's such a Mary Sue, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean just to be able to do that, but that only works one way, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, oh my God, yeah, he adapted very quickly and let's give him credit.
Speaker 2:You know Clancy Brown carried that first episode it was just Savage trudging along with this stupid snake. Was that Ken Cha? I can't. Can we look up who played the snake in that episode?
Speaker 3:His name was Ben Diskin.
Speaker 1:Yes, ben Diskin. We look up who played the snake in that episode. Uh, his name was ben diskin. Yes, because at first I was like man you're. You're sounding a lot like lo pan there from, uh, from big trouble, little china. But uh no, it was. Yeah, it was. I looked him up, but you know so clancy brown, you know who.
Speaker 2:Again it's got a very just iconic voice. You know, hear Savage Oppressed. I'm in Highlander mode, I'm in.
Speaker 1:Mr Krabs mode. I'm just like, oh, that's Mr Krabs. I don't like Highlander as well, but I'm like that's Mr Krabs. That's a hell of a range, isn't it? You're Mr Krabs and then you're Savage Oppressed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he was really the lead-in to let sam just do his thing and and and the two of them together just have a great repertoire between them already they do, they do, and I I'm finding that I'm feeling bad for savage because again he's.
Speaker 1:He's lost, he's been so used and manipulated. He wasn't a bad guy and that's the thing with Savage. Savage was tempered and forced into all of this. Savage was 100% violated and he became this beast, this animal. But he just wants this brotherhood, he just wants family in any way that he can get it, and I feel so bad for him because maul doesn't give a fuck about that. He doesn't give a fuck at all. At this point he's just like all right, this is, this is another, you know, a tool that I can use to get back at konomi I mean not to my, you know all that's true.
Speaker 3:I will also say you know he was told he was going to get to marry asajj and I know where my mind would go with that and yet he didn't get that. So that's right, plenty of reason to be angry.
Speaker 1:I forgot about that, that's right. Oh yeah, I'd be a little upset about that too, and it's interesting.
Speaker 2:In the later fight. You know when Asajj comes to the rescue, you know they trade off. Maul was doing a great job of unsettling Obi-Wan. He brought up Qui-Gon, he got him off his game and they switched dance partners. And all of a sudden you know Asajj is fighting with Maul and Kenobi's fighting Savage and the hate shifts. You know everybody's got to beef with somebody else and then they switch dance partners in the middle of the fight. And that was a really cool in such close quarters. Kind of okay, there's a lot of overlapping, we're getting telenovela here in as there's.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of overlapping. We're getting telenovela here in a set.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a lot of overlapping storylines it's, it was cool because we do see um, um in that scene. Like you say, we might as well jump to that episode too. Now we're going all over the place anyway, but um, the choreography in that scene was great and I don't know if this is ever intentional, but it's. It's something that I've observed. You know, palpatine always says you know, well, he doesn't always say but he, he said that you know, your hate your anger, it gives you focus. Hate your anger, it gives you focus.
Speaker 1:But every time we see someone in star wars fighting from a place of rage and anger, they're very sloppy and it they, it doesn't actually give them focus, whether they're walking on the dark side or the light side. And we see this with obi-wan. Obi-wan is a professional lightsaber master. He is good, you know, he may not be the best, but he is still very, very good. Um, and he was like you said, he was off his game, but he, he tapped into his anger and it made him less technical, it made him more sloppy, and I think that's what ultimately gave, you know, the brothers a leg up, because otherwise I think that I think obi-wan may have been able to handle one um, but the two of them together was just it was too much, but I, I'm sorry, go ahead did you notice when he first showed up on that planet?
Speaker 2:you know, maul says, you know, sends the was just, it was too much, I'm sorry, go ahead. Did you notice when he first showed up on that planet? Maul sends the message to say oh, come face me. And then you know, I'm kidding, and let's you know, we talked last week about how you know Anakin, you know no matter what you know you killed children, man, that's not redeemable. Maul did it with glee. Maul did it with intent, because he knew that would be what draws the Jedi's attention. And I'm like you, bastard.
Speaker 1:Anakin did it out of a misplaced fear of loss. He did it to save Padme. Still inexcusable what he did, but at least there was a selfless sort of selfless motivation behind it. He wanted to save padme's life. But does anakin want to save padme for padme or does anakin want to save padme?
Speaker 1:for him right and I don't mean in like a possessive way, but he knows he's trying to protect his heart. He can't save anyone that he loves and that's always been. Anakin's greatest downfall is his love, ironically. But with Maul, no, it was just bait to draw out Kenobi so he could slaughter Kenobi and he wiped out an entire fucking village men, women, children, the little droid, that little r5. We see how the fuck does a droid get ptsd. Because that droid was like ah, the things I've seen. And it's like that poor droid. I was like what? So I it just shows the difference between.
Speaker 2:There's always been a very you know fans like to compare darth maul versus darth vader, right and and yeah, darth vader, is this the icon movie icon of evil? Darth maul's just a bad dude. Yes, yeah, and for whatever his damage is, I mean he don't hold back?
Speaker 1:no, and we, and we, you know, we've nerds have debated this for years and years and years. You know who would win in a fight, you know, darth vader or darth maul, and you know I, I'm of the belief that vader would win it because he has more control and maul is just a rabid dog, you know, and I, I mean we see that all the way up to the end. He's just a rabid dog, he, he lives like a dog and he dies like a dog. So I mean, he's just it all the way through to his core. He's rotten, um, but uh, even even knowing that, even though we know how rotten to the core Darth Maul is, fuck man, I, I didn't see it coming that he would wipe out. Is he capable of doing it? Yes, but I mean those hostages he had on the hollow. Uh, presumably he decapitated all of them in one shot.
Speaker 2:That was, yeah, they, they. They played the camera angle well to get it by a network sensor, but it was clear he publicly live streamed, executed them for the Jedi.
Speaker 1:He did, he Talibaned them. Tony, you were going to say something you mentioned.
Speaker 3:It's a debate about who would win, maul versus versus vader. I got a question for you guys who would win maul or savage? Because, like you know, obviously maul is force sensitive and whatnot, but but savage has his own extra abilities.
Speaker 1:It would be Maul, it would be Maul, because Savage has, he has love for Maul and that would be his undoing, that would be his weakness. He would let his guard down. Brother, I don't want to fight you. Yeah, he'd be trying to negotiate to stop the fight. Mall would just shred him about. A second thought mall cares only about mall and getting his revenge on kenobi. That's it. Any, any power play that he makes, any alliances he forges, it doesn't matter. It's all about his obsession. And I I think that, and that's why I feel bad for savage, is because he just he wants a brother. If, if I think, if savage had it his way, the two of them would just go out and like, open a cantina somewhere, they would just kick it in the outer rim, have a little camp, a little dive bar cantina somewhere and just chill. But um, I won't allow it well, and we'll see later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, without giving too much away, savage sees themselves as equals, you know. He sees themselves as brothers. Maul immediately goes for that hierarchy, you know, like we were saying about dooku and palpatine I'm the alpha, you're the beta. Right, I'm the master, you're the apprentice, and it's just they had different goals which you, which is a great way to play off those two characters.
Speaker 1:And you know, and Maul, again, he is despicable, but we do see with him a masterclass in manipulation. He learned from the best, though. He learned it from Papa Palpatine. But he knows, and I'm sure he senses Savage's weakness that is love, and he uses it to basically gain control. It's like one one rabid dog, you know, holding the leash of another rabid dog and he's going to use. He's going to use Savage as his blunt instrument.
Speaker 2:And notice there are moments and there'll be moments later where maul is was privy to palpatine's plant. Yeah, when he's told that the clone wars are going on, it's like, oh. It's like when you miss a week of your favorite episode, your dvd show, and you're like, oh, that thing happened that so it. So it started, and it started yeah, and, and you can tell he was. He was a man who sort of missed the boat in in in this grand scheme of Palpatine's and he wants to find a way back in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean he misses. I'm sure that he misses his place in the hierarchy, but I think, more so, he misses his penis. I think that is. I mean it's it's revenge on kenobi for chopping his penis off. I think that is. That is the takeaway. It's not being talked about enough. I don't think it's ever been talked about enough, and I think that's a disservice to storytelling and it's a disservice to maul's penis. I feel that, uh, I would be that crazed and angry as well. I think, uh, his, his penis deserves a place in the spotlight.
Speaker 1:That's added to the wall of remembrance we should add dark penis to the wall of remembrance. Yes, you are, you are correct, I don't even have here. Where's uh? Um, I darth maul's penis is going on the wall of remembrance. Poor little guy. Poor little guy probably was tattooed up and everything anyway. So that's it.
Speaker 1:That's the end of, uh, that season four wrapped up really really well, really really well. We see, uh, we see asaj out there loose in the galaxy, you know, trying to find her, her moral compass and she has one. It's nice to know that. You know the the brothers are out there just going to be wreaking havoc along the way. Um, and then the rest of the gang is just, uh, prepping for season five, as will we, uh, so it's.
Speaker 1:I always tell people, season four, just get through it, get through the first three seasons, and season four is where you're hooked. I mean I, I don't want to say skip seasons one, two and three, but but I mean if you were on a desert island and you can only take one box set with you, I don't know, it might be, it's, it's a toss-up between four and seven, because seven's a damn good, damn good fucking season as well. Um, but we're getting there, all right. So season five is coming up next. Let's show just because it is so good looking. Let's show that, uh, that darkness on umbara image again, man, man, that's going to be a star wars celebration, japan exclusive. But I'm gonna steal it from the internet and print it out and put it in a frame, because damn I I'm sure it'll be available somewhere else too.
Speaker 2:But look at it, it's a great example of what this season did, in that it you know, it took, you know the format of an animated Star Wars show and brought it to the level of a live action drama. This was a very We've been going on and on about how much we love this arc. This was when the Clone Wars got dark.
Speaker 1:And I'm going to say it and I know the gooners out there and the fandom menace. They're going to shit on me but this was dark and gritty. This was a dark and gritty season. Prove me wrong if you don't agree. Prove me wrong. Why was this season not dark and gritty? And I'll tell you all the reasons why you're wrong. Because, uh, we've got death, dismemberment, torture. It's just there's some suicide in there, there's some self-saucing, I mean it's and we've got some new and we've got some new players.
Speaker 2:You know the night sisters. Yeah, mother talzin is going to be a force to be reckoned with. We talked about cad bane. We've talked about, you know, the bounty hunters in general. You know, like, okay, young boa and his, those guys are out there but they're not really involved in the war, but they will be involved in future stories and they're players in this drama now and again Cad Bane, the greatest bounty hunter in the galaxy.
Speaker 1:Tony, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3:I did want to ask you guys because I know you've seen this before, whereas for me this was the first time, having now seen Mother Taliesin assume that missed form. Essentially to you guys, because I know you've seen this before, whereas for me this was the first time, having now seen Mother Taliesin assume that missed form. Essentially, for me, seeing it for the first time, it reminded me of the Mother and Acolyte doing the same thing. And I'm curious for you guys, who had seen this first, if you had made that connection or not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you've got their, their witches, the, the accolade they were, their witches they're employing. You know they have a similar connection to this. It's, you know, a different form of the force. So they do have that connection and I thought it was really cool to see that. You know, I I don't think they were on dathomir, though I can't remember the name of the planet that they were on, but they definitely weren't on dathomir, but like there was an interpretation that they were where they were because they left somewhere else right and at that point would that have been dathomir or?
Speaker 1:because there was clearly a a a night sister purge on dathomir. So it's entirely possible that. Well, but this is like 100 years before that, so it wouldn't have been that purge, but they were escaping from something and, and there were schisms.
Speaker 2:Even the jedi knew of witches and other force sensitive wielding cultures. We'll find out we'll see some ones later on in rebels that even the Zebs race has a very spiritual connection to. You know the Ashland they call it and it was just sort of the same way. You're right, and the Acolyte showed a little bit of it, and that there's more than just Jedi and Sith, there are other cultures. The Force may be all encompassing the universe, but everybody interprets the Force differently, much like, for me, a lot of real world religions. We all have the same idea, we just give it different names. Right, we're in for same idea.
Speaker 1:We just give it different names. Right, we're in for a ride. Season five coming up next.
Speaker 3:I did look it up while we were talking, quinlan did survive Order 66 and, at a bare minimum, was at least alive until 9 ABY.
Speaker 1:All right, so he and Asajj could be kicking around and they could still be alive. Because I mean, we are basically in the Mandoverse era currently. I mean that's where Skeleton Crew takes place. Yes, that's the same time frame as the Mandalorian. So we are currently in the Mandoverse era, so post-E in the Mando verse era, so post empire, you know, pre new order. So Quinlan and massage there. They're out there somewhere. Yeah, maybe we'll meet their kid how cool would that be. The child of Quinlan Voss and Asajj Ventress?
Speaker 3:What sort of hellish abomination might that be the child of the goth girl and the surfer boy. I love it.
Speaker 1:Love it. All right, hey, let's do some, oblig, obligatory pimping. Um, oh, homework, no homework. Just to catch up on our, our past episodes. Um, and we're gonna end up talking about when we uh, we're gonna take a little two-week break, we're gonna come back and then we're gonna do, uh, our, we'll talk, you know, we'll prep for season five and we'll talk about the state of star wars. Uh, we'll do that on our next episode as we uh kick off season five of the clone wars. So again, homework. Uh, check out our past episodes, tell your friends, tell your enemies, let them know. And, uh, we are going to uh do some pimpage. We got some neat. Look at that Circle of nerdscom slash merch for all of your nerdy swarzy needs. And, of course, if you're listening, check us out on YouTube if you want to watch us, or wherever you get your podcast and let everyone know.
Speaker 2:You guys got anything on the way out. One thing I always like to say we said during Skeleton Crew we're going to get ready for a new season of Clone Wars. When you're doing your homework and you start watching these episodes, and if we bounce into tales for certain stuff, enjoy the ride. That's, I think, the biggest thing at this point in this particular series and just Star Wars in general. Enjoy the ride. Don't overthink it. You know that's our job. We'll overthink it, we'll explain everything to you. Just have fun with it. That's what Star Wars really should be about as fans, and just enjoy the ride. Well said.
Speaker 1:Well said, tony, you got anything.
Speaker 3:I'm just going to say I know I've seen it all over my social media feeds, but I really now want to see a Star Wars musical. Any of our fans listening have heard the. Ai take on that. I think it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:I can't do it. I can't do it.
Speaker 2:I survived a Star Trek musical, but I don't know, I just saw that and I loved every second of it was.
Speaker 1:It was great. Surprisingly, I was. I'm looking forward to the new season, um, but I, uh, I love that show. It's a great show, but I can't, I can't, you can't no, not, not with my star wars. I can't do it. No, I'll watch. I'll watch the marvel. You know the avengers musical. Um, I'll watch that turkey. I know it's fake, but I would. I would watch that before I would watch a star wars musical.
Speaker 3:Please, don't just take that back tony, like just don't even take it back. I mean, to be fair, it's not so much a musical as it is like a rock opera, but but absolutely not.
Speaker 1:I, I just I can't, I can't do it, no, no all right, all right, hey, teach their own, it's okay geez, oh man. What's happening to the world? No, I, if that happens, if we get a star wars musical, I'm I'm joining the fandom menace. It's going to happen overnight. Overnight. I will pledge my loyalty to the fandom menace. I will bend the knee to those guys and just walk away from the whole thing. No, I can't.
Speaker 2:Oh man, we were on such a positive note thanks for bringing open down production with the musical number and all the dancing on stage oh, I've seen it, yeah that, that's your fear. That's what I've seen.
Speaker 1:No, my fear is turning into the. Uh, what is it that star wars dance party for the connect?
Speaker 2:do you guys remember that game it came out for like I never played it, but I saw enough of it to go oh my god, this is, this was a bad idea it was so.
Speaker 3:I've never heard of this performance?
Speaker 1:oh, just look it up, it up. It was an Xbox game, it utilized the Kinect technology and it was basically like those dance games where you have to mimic the moves on screen. But they took pop songs but then swarzyed them out. They changed the lyrics, oh God.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we don't want that You're seeing, and it's like you're seeing Boba Fett and Han Solo like doing, like club moves and it's just and storm troopers in the background.
Speaker 3:They need to do, cause, like we, we have those types of dance, dance revolution games. Right, we have, um, you know, the the beat saver game for the virtual reality system, which is awesome. Yeah, yes. Why don't they combine those two and just teach us the choreography for these fight scenes?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, I would absolutely be down for that would be a game like if we had like. So instead of instead of copying dance moves, we're copying the fight choreography from like, like the duel of the fates.
Speaker 3:Yes, exactly I'd play that, I play that they messed around they had.
Speaker 2:Vader had a game where it was one of those virtual reality gigs where you had to put the visor on. You're literally like like Luke, you got this big, clunky visor on, you got a joystick that's supposed to be your lightsaber and you react to what's projected in your field of view. I couldn't do it. I had to trip several times. I'm just such a klutz, I did that one time in Vegas, in one of those balls where you're supposed to walk, and I tripped like three times.
Speaker 1:No, you just can't do it. There's been so many. There was like the Masters of Terracasi game.
Speaker 2:Oh, nintendo Wii had a Clone Wars game where you could literally fight as Anakin Obi-Wan, ahsoka, ventress Grievous. I think Yoda, it was a Mortal Kombat, it was a fighter, yeah, and all you were doing was this I don't want that.
Speaker 1:I don't want that. Force Unleashed was one of the greatest Star Wars games ever made.
Speaker 2:The original Battlefront was just cinema.
Speaker 1:Battlefront 2 wasn't bad. What is it Jedi? The jedi order game jedi survivor. Yeah, calcestis, those are great games, um, and we should do that. We need to do like a star wars game episode where we kind of like run down our top picks of star wars games, the best and the worst. We're talking worse. I can go back to Super Nintendo. There was an Empire Strikes Back game.
Speaker 3:I don't remember that game.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, I majored in the old PC X-Wing and TIE Fighter games.
Speaker 2:Remember those.
Speaker 1:Oh, those were great. Those were great. Those came out about the same time as, I think, Wing Commander. I've got that game on this little those were great those were great. Those came out about the same time, as, I think, wing commander, yeah, yeah. I've got that game on this little guy oh well I remember the star Wars arcade game where it was like the black and green wireframe.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, the original trench game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was rough. It was rough, all right. All right, we're going to wrap it up. Thank you, guys. So, thank you everyone for tuning in this week. We appreciate you. We do know that, of course, you could always spend your time somewhere else, but you choose to spend it with us. We've got a few people watching us live today on YouTube. We appreciate you for taking the time to watch us. If you're just now popping in, sorry, we're about to wrap it up, but, uh, go back and watch it anyway. Like once, once this publishes out, watch it, it'll be cool. So, uh, that's it. We also want to give a very special thanks to our active duty military members and veterans for their service and sacrifice.
Speaker 1:Um, things are weird for them right now. Uh, weird for everybody right now, I mean to be honest. So, um, I will say that there's, there's a lot going on, um, in the world today. So what I will, I will suggest, is that you, you seek joy, seek out joy and pace yourself. You don't have to try to consume all this media that's coming in.
Speaker 1:Things seem overwhelming right now. You're getting hit with a lot of information, both good and bad, all over the place. Take your time, take a breath, disconnect sometimes, seek joy, seek the company of like-minded individuals and just breathe. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Just breathe and remember the things that star wars has taught us.
Speaker 1:There is always hope, no matter how dark things may seem, there is always hope. Even if it's just from a small little, under equipped ragtag band of of bright-eyed hopefuls, there's always hope. And, uh, even against the, the big, the big, bad empire, there's always hope. So just, uh, keep that alive. And and remember, depending on what side of the fight you're on, you know, being joyful is a form of resistance, because right now, people want you to be mad, they want you to be scared, they want you to disassociate and just be completely overwhelmed and demoralized. Seek that joy, don't let them do it. That's how you resist, that's how you fight back, without going to the next level. But there you go, that's it. So if no one's got anything else, everybody good, that was perfect, all right. So that's it. So always remember folks. Uh, in addition to all that, my star warriors, if no one does anything nice for you, do something nice to yourself, and we're gonna see you next season as we discuss season five, and I am so, so looking forward to it.
Speaker 1:So, all right take care, we'll see you guys in a couple weeks, maybe, whenever I get this posted. Yeah, alright, bye, bye you.