Star Wars: Safespace
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Star Wars: Safespace
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What happens when a podcast team faces tornadoes? The do the thing! The show must go on, even when The Circle of Nerds find themselves displaced and scattered across unconventional locations.
This week, we explore episodes 13 through 17 of the Clone Wars, shining a spotlight on the evolving relationship between Ahsoka and Anakin as well as Aayla Secura's role in depicting Jedi emotional complexity...yeah...that's it.
We also take a look at Ahsoka, and Clones, beginning to question their purpose and place in a galaxy far, far away.
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This week on Star Wars Sucks tornadoes and trouble. Displaced from their regular studio, the circle of nerds find themselves in strange locations trying to produce a successful podcast. Can they do it? Stay tuned, intrepid listeners. Howdy succulents, Welcome to Star Wars Sucks. This podcast certainly does your non-toxic, low-sodium Star Wars show. That doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that the cantina in Star Wars A New Hope was owned by a Wookiee named Chalem, and it was actually Chalem's cantina. So there you go. So, whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little sporsy curious, this is your Star Wars safe space. So we are the Circle of Nerds and we do absolutely love Star Wars, even if we don't always like it. So let's meet the team, shall we? So from my left your right, it is the Sensational Sherry, aka the Bog Witch.
Speaker 2:Ah, bog Witch. Hello everyone.
Speaker 1:And hailing from parts unknown. It's T to the Oni. Welcome back everybody. And hailing from parts unknown? It's t to the oni. Welcome back everybody. And I am, of course, tommy d. You are more than slightly obnoxious.
Speaker 1:Star wars know it all. So what are we doing here? Well, our mission is to watch all of the star wars, canon films and tv shows in chronological order, breaking them down, connecting the dots and learning more about Star Wars and maybe even a little bit about ourselves. Warning, there will be spoilers. So, if you haven't already noticed, this week there are a couple of changes. We are displaced from our home currently due to tornado activity. Everyone's fine, we're all fine here now, thank you. Now, how are you? Um, just, we're just without power, so we've got to figure it out. So, so the sensational sherry is hanging out at her parents house. I'm sitting in a car in a parking lot and Tony's chilling, tony's chilling. So there you go. And Daddy Louie said that he may not be joining us this evening because he's also got some tornado warnings, so hopefully he'll be okay out there, he's got internet.
Speaker 1:In the outer rim territory of Boston. I mean, I'm not going to expect a guy to do a podcast in a tornado. I mean I would have done it from a tornado. I'm just saying, I'm doing it from a car. There you go. The show must go on, no.
Speaker 2:I'm just fucking with them. I'm just fucking with them.
Speaker 1:So this week we're talking about episodes 13 through 17. Bit of a long watch because we kind of had to do it all at once, just obviously because of our situation, but it was necessary just because of the way the episodes do break down as we get closer to the end of the season here. So these episodes were released between January and February of 2009, and all of the episodes take place around 21 BBY, except for episode 16, which takes place 22 BBY during the Battle of Christophsis. And of course we've seen that. We know that from the animated film and the events of this episode line up perfectly with the film. So as the episode ends, the film begins, so that's a nice little tie-in. I'm not sure why exactly they they did that. We'll have to look into that. I think maybe the movie, the movie, actually came out after that episode, or with the writing or something.
Speaker 1:I don't know, oh, maybe I don't know, but a lot of people have said that the movie kind of felt like an afterthought, um, and maybe it wasn't necessarily supposed to happen.
Speaker 1:But I don't know, I don't know the animated film, yeah, but I don't know all the trivia behind that, so I'll we'll have to look into that. So anyone listening to this, if you happen to know, let us know, send us a message, put it in the comments below. So now a note on BBY, aby. So the events of Star Wars and New Hope those are considered zero year. So anything that happens before the events in Star Wars, new Hope, which of course came out in 1979. Or 77, I'm sorry, that's considered BBY. Anything that happens after that or ABY I'm sorry, I'm all jacked up. Anything that happens before the Battle of Yavin is BBY. So everything in the Clone Wars is BBY before the Battle of Yavin.
Speaker 2:Are you guys confused yet?
Speaker 1:I know I am and I'm the one saying it, so let's get going. The very first episode that we're watching this week, episode 13, jedi Crash. I thought it was a very cool episode. We get to see more of Ahsoka and Anakin, their bond. Ahsoka does not want to leave Anakin's side. Obviously, aayla Secura Fine AF. They drew the hell out of her. They really did. She's looking like a Jedi master with an.
Speaker 2:OnlyFans. She's looking like a snake.
Speaker 1:She's looking like a snake. She's looking like a snake, like a whole meal. The episode just really did feel a lot more like. We're seeing more about how, to the Jedi, love and attachment becomes harmful just because of the way that they're structured. You start to see Ahsoka really questioning Jedi philosophy.
Speaker 3:It's not making sense to her.
Speaker 1:We're supposed to be compassionate but not form attachment.
Speaker 2:I kind of like that.
Speaker 1:What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2:I kind of like that what you said. She should still be able to attach to her master, Even the Jedi. What was her name? Again?
Speaker 3:Aayla Sinabala, sakura Sakura.
Speaker 2:She even said that, like, oh, you know, I thought of mine as a father. Well, yeah, because you were a baby and some grown man or woman, whatever is, or whatever you know, you go by, but if you thought of him as a father, then that's an attachment, right, maybe?
Speaker 1:I'm wrong. Well, I mean, we saw it in the Acolyte too. You know, we saw the attachment between Sol and Osha, you, know, it was obviously it did end badly, but Jedi's, but the Jedi. They suppressed that instead of using it.
Speaker 2:I think, yeah, I think Ahsoka will. Well, you know she's using it. I know she did what the master said and went and did what she had to do and realized that she should have went to help Anakin. But again they're making them make these and realize that she should have went to help Anakin, but again they're making them make these bad choices, or these hard choices, not bad choices, the hard choices. Yeah, sometimes you have to do that, of course, in life as well. So these are just like life lessons, to be honest.
Speaker 1:And in the end, no, I agree, I agree 100%. I think a lot of the things that we see in the end, I know, I, I agree, I agree 100. I think a lot of a lot of the things that we see in the clone wars, which another reason why I think it's great is we do get life lessons. You know it's it, the show's made for like pre-teens. So, yeah, it's like, you know they're, they're trying to teach, you know, kids these lessons in some way they don't get it right every time. Obviously they do the best they can. So, yeah, all the attachment, and it's like they never seem to use it the right way. They never embrace it. Embrace the attachment, learn from it, use it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, anakin, they get fucked up, crash land on this planet and they have to get help from the Lerman, the little Scottish monkey people. And they were divided. You know they're kind of like. You know we see that they're dealing in absolutes Much the. We see that. You know they're. They're dealing in absolutes much the same way that the jedi and the sith do. You know, the jedi deal in absolutes, the sith deal in absolutes, and so do scottish monkeys, right?
Speaker 2:well, I mean you, you can still protect yourself without getting yourself into the actual war. And I think the son you know his son actually helps him realize that a little bit.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, and this was like there's a two part episode, so 13 and 14. Yeah, this, this was a continuation, tony. What do you think? What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3:So what I found and I think this actually goes for at least three out of the four episodes for this watch through that we did we're seeing more about the galaxy outside of the war itself and getting an understanding of how, even though these planets aren't directly involved, they're being dragged into it. Aren't directly involved, they're being dragged into it and it becomes an all-encompassing thing, even if you don't want it to be, and unfortunately that's very much in real life. That's just the way that works.
Speaker 3:Holy shit yeah, I agree, it was nice to see us building up the understanding of Ahsoka's character. I will say for the Lerman I don't know what it is, I don't know if they have little jetpacks on their back, but they should not just be able to roll in infinity like they seem to do. But hey, that's cool Whatever works for them.
Speaker 2:That's how they get around. They're like lemurs.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're like.
Speaker 1:Sonic the Hedgehog. That's what they were doing, exactly.
Speaker 2:I like that.
Speaker 1:I don't know If I can suspend disbelief for space wizards and laser swords, I'll go ahead. And suspend disbelief for hedgehog and Scottish swords, I'll go ahead.
Speaker 3:And spend disbelief for Hedgehog and Scottish monkeys. I first saw them start rolling. I'm like, okay, that's a neat little trick. If you're going downhill Now, you just keep going Okay.
Speaker 1:Just there he goes.
Speaker 3:I don't know what that muscle structure looks like to make that work, but okay.
Speaker 1:It's entirely possible that they have muscles in places. We don't know about that clench up.
Speaker 3:It's totally fine. It was interesting.
Speaker 1:I was like oh, okay, they engage their upper and lower flermen simultaneously and it helps to propel them across any surface. They have true four-wheel drive. My god, it's not.
Speaker 1:it's not even all wheel drive it's true, for for flerman drives the lerman and the flerman I'm not making this up, look it up upper and lower flerman, it's. It's a thing. Look at it, different franchise, but it's a thing. Um, so we, uh, their leader I can't remember his name, but their leader, um, he, he did eventually admit. You know, obviously, that there may be times where resistance is not futile and is, no, is actually worthwhile, right? But he did make a very interesting point to Master Sakura when he had said that when you lay down your arms, that'll prove to me that the Jedi are actually peacekeepers. And so it's a valid point. You know, we see Jedi. We've only ever seen Jedi in combat roles. We've never really seen Jedi as peacekeepers. We've never seen them. I mean, yes, they go on diplomatic missions and things like that, but those diplomatic missions always devolve into aggressive negotiations, as Padme and Anakin would say Right, they should only be negotiators, they shouldn't even have a lightsaber.
Speaker 2:To be honest, I mean if that's your true calling.
Speaker 3:If we go back to, I'm pretty sure it's in episode one, where Mace Windu says we're keepers of the peace, not soldiers, right, and now they're all generals Like you. Get that up pretty quick.
Speaker 1:It did. So as we move into episode 15, trespass, we're seeing, we're seeing and we'll get more into this in just a second but we're seeing the Chairman and the young Senator really kind of trying to use the Jedi and the clones as their own militant arm. Yes, and Obi-Wan had to check both of them multiple times. You know like, yeah, no, we're not here for that. Multiple times. You know like, yeah, no, we're not here for that. You know, even rex rex had to check that chant, that, that chairman, a couple times, like we're here to protect you and you're telling us to murder these indigenous people. We'll get to the indigenous people, we'll get that.
Speaker 1:Second, I just want to again, we, as we always do each week when needed, we want to do you, to say our thoughts and prayers to troopers who we lost in most vile and painful ways, and in those episodes in episode 13, cameron, lucky and Flesh, cameron especially, got taken out by the turkey dogs, so they were turkey dog snacks. Thoughts and prayers, brothers, you will not be forgotten. We're going to put you. Got taken out by the turkey dogs so they were turkey dog snacks. So, thoughts and prayers, brothers, you will not be forgotten. We're going to put you on our wall of remembrance. I'm glad that they named them too, because we've got some other troopers that we're going to honor that they didn't get named, they just died. Four fellows, all right. So Cameron, lucky and Flesh Terrible name for Clone Trooper Flesh, because yeah.
Speaker 3:Tell me a flesh wound.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, no, oh, there you go Flesh wound. I was thinking something totally different, but okay. Flesh light. Pretty much, yeah, damn, you're nasty, you're nasty.
Speaker 2:I am the Bog Witch.
Speaker 1:You are the bog witch Yikes. So episode 15, trespass oh, I'm sorry. So episode 13, 14, what are we thinking? Worth watching. I thought they were great episodes, personally.
Speaker 3:Agreed. I will say I really like as much as I want to dislike the big bad in these episodes. Once you hear George Takei's voice, it's hard to hate.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, oh yeah, I was waiting. I was waiting for an. Oh my.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, George Takei is the bomb.
Speaker 1:George Takei is the bomb and I feel like that was a missed opportunity, like when I saw the jedi for the first time, oh, like that was perfect. That would have been funny dave filoni, come on, you're better than that buddy I don't think I've ever seen him as like a villain.
Speaker 2:I mean, I know this is a cartoon, but I don't.
Speaker 1:I feel like he's probably lent his voice to a villain once or twice.
Speaker 2:He's done a lot of voiceover work.
Speaker 1:He has a beautiful voice. That's why he does. He has a great voice. He does and it's immediately recognizable. I know, right, I love that George is in Star Wars and Star Trek. I love it.
Speaker 2:Well, hell yeah I mean he's tying a typecast, so why not just go for it?
Speaker 1:well, and that and that commander that he was voicing, that's got to be a new cosplay for me.
Speaker 1:I think I might have to oh my gosh, let me see if I can do all right. So trespass um Trespass, another sort of life lesson dealing with indigenous people, dealing with greed, racism, arrogance, ignorance. When dealing with the Tals, again, it's nothing we haven't seen before, especially in this country. Oh, interesting thing, the Talls that species you'll actually see one of those in A New Hope in Chalem's Cantina and, interestingly, he was abandoned on Tatooine as an infant. He spent his entire adult life on Tatooine. As an infant. He spent his entire adult life on Tatooine. So I thought that was very interesting. So, uh, yeah. So thoughts on this episode Trespass.
Speaker 2:It sucked.
Speaker 3:I thought this episode was gorgeous. I love this planet. It is the introduction of the Tals and the beasts that they ride. It was great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would totally have one of those beasts just saying.
Speaker 1:Oh, man, and I think I looked them up too, because I've seen them before. I don't know. Uh, narglatches is the beast right? They're so badass.
Speaker 2:That's the beast, yeah, I I do like the way obi-wan handled it and he told anakin to shut up he did, he, he did, he, really really did.
Speaker 1:He was like Anakin shut up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, he was. I thought that was a really good diplomatic interaction. He did a good job.
Speaker 3:He did.
Speaker 1:Because Obi-Wan is that guy. He is that diplomat.
Speaker 1:Well, that should be their only function to be honest Right, and that's what they tried to explain to the chairman and he just wasn't having it. And even the senator she was like you know, I order you, you serve the Senate, I order you to do this and Obi-Wan had to check her. He had to check her because it's like everyone tries to use the jedi, but the jedi compromise themselves and they allow it to happen. True, but I, I mean, I don't know how much sway the senate has over the jedi order. Like we got a little taste of that in the acolyte. You know like, oh, they're coming down to inspect you. You gotta. You know, there's like a senate hearing about the jedi, like, could the Senate dismantle and shut down the Jedi Order? Do they have that power and authority?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I think they do, because the Jedi could do some shady shit obviously, so they do act in like an oversight capacity to try to keep the Jedi in check.
Speaker 3:Then yes, to me this I, I, you know, I know I'm changing worlds here, but to me this is this is similar to the Sokovia Accords in Marvel, where it's the we want to make you a force that we can control and it's the no, that's a bad idea. We need to be able to do what we need to do.
Speaker 1:That's a good point.
Speaker 2:It's all about the power. That's why Again rolls right into real life.
Speaker 1:So could the Jedi? Do we think that the Jedi Order could function independently, without the oversight of some sort of governing body? You know, we've seen, we've heard about through the Accolade, we've heard about splinter groups break off, groups of Jedi that go off and do their own thing. They obviously have no oversight. They're, you know there's we don't know if they're good or bad, because you know we can refer to the books and things like that. But since we're just dealing with what we're seeing on screen at this point, we don't know. You know, about these other jedi enclaves or splinter groups that are out there somewhere. So could the order itself, do you think, could the order itself function properly without any sort of governmental oversight, or does it need that level of checks and balances?
Speaker 3:I think this is a question of how we define the order, the Jedi, as a religion, as a belief system, as whatever, then sure, there's no reason why they need that. But once they assume this role of keepers of the peace, well, who determines what the laws are that they are keeping the peace for? And so you have to have some structure behind that in order to establish rules. But I think if the timeline went differently, where there was an actual army of the Republic to enforce its own rules before the Jedi existed, then the Jedi wouldn't be needed for that role and they could just be themselves.
Speaker 1:Just hanging out in a monastery somewhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, more like monks, to be honest, I mean that's. But yeah, you're right, Tony. I mean once you say, well, I'm the keeper of the peace. We've heard that before in real life, movies, everything. We're just the keepers of the peace, but then who checks them when?
Speaker 3:they're keeping the peace.
Speaker 1:So we haven't been doing this. So light side, dark side, blast points for this episode. We didn't do that for the last three episodes. So what do we think about this episode? Because there are some. There's a little more of a political lean on this one. You know, in politics people are like I don't want to talk about politics in Star Wars, but Star Wars is deeply rooted in politics. So in this particular episode we're kind of seeing a little. We're seeing a little bit more of that. So, sherry, what about you? Light side, dark side.
Speaker 2:The light side is obviously them doing. Actually, what they're supposed to be doing is keeping the peace, talking to this indigenous species that obviously lived on the planet. They're not space-worthy, so they tried to explain this and the dark side was that.
Speaker 1:That was a big, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead For you. That was the big pro. We're talking pros and cons. That was getting to see them in that diplomatic scene. Yes, obi-wan really handled his business.
Speaker 2:I mean, he was seeing that diplomatic side of the Jedi but the and also that species was actually more intelligent, then the guy that thought he, you know, was superior. They're just animals. Well, no, they just look different. Again, you're judging a book by its cover just because you, again, you're judging a book by its cover Just because you cannot understand what they're saying, doesn't?
Speaker 3:mean that they're like animals or third world type or whatever. You know, it's the same thing. You call them savages, you keep insulting them yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like going somewhere where there's just indigenous people that have lived for thousands of years this way and you're like, well, no, I'm gonna, I'm gonna own you because you're a savage, you don't know what you're doing, you know. So it's the same in human, in our human uh evolution and how we've treated others obviously poorly so what are your, what are your cons for this episode?
Speaker 1:what's your, what's your cons about this episode? What do you?
Speaker 3:think.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Okay, I mean the guy, I mean solid episode for you. That nothing negative to say it good, I mean, no, I episode for you, then Nothing really negative to say about it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. I mean, no, I didn't really have anything negative about the whole episode itself. I thought it was interesting, okay and um and uh Blast points. I Don't be an asshole, I mean, I don't. That's my blast point. Alright, like, don know, just treat people how you'd want to be treated. Like, if you wanted something on that planet, he could have asked them like hey, you know we want to come here and I don't know, take some of your snow. I have no idea. I'm just saying, uh, you know, work together. And I think I think that race would have let them do that if he wasn't such an ass uh, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I agree, tony. What about you? Your pros, cons and blast points, anything interesting or impactful or a hot take?
Speaker 3:um, so I absolutely agree on all on all the pro points. The big con for me is that I mean I I just don't understand the I can't think of his name at the moment now but the jackass, I just don't understand his motivations. Like, right, essentially speaking, this is a giant frozen ball of a planet. Right, that's only like the only reason why anybody is there is because you're using it as a lookout point and you need the Republic's help to do that. You can't manage that yourselves. Like there's no value to this place by itself, and there's certainly no value in destroying an indigenous people Just because they happen to be in this place, where none of your people live, by the way.
Speaker 3:Right, just to do it, because you can Right. So for me it's almost a plot hole, like I understand why we need to do it, to establish this character and give you the other side of things and sadly, there are people in real life that that have that bigotry and animosity towards others. Um, so I get it, but at the same time it's just like it doesn't make any strategic sense, right, it's?
Speaker 1:just, and I don't think it like to people like that. I don't think it has to. It's like you know, you look at. You know, if we want to equate that to to real life and world history, there's been a lot of times where people have conquered lands that have no value to them. But they do it because they can and they, they want to have that big dick energy and say look at my territory on this map, look at how much of it I have. And the chairman's mentioned that. He said you know, I am the sovereign ruler of this planet. This is the moon. You know this is. You know this is mine, this is, this belongs to me. Whether you need it or not is irrelevant, it's just you know feeding that ego, so I mean.
Speaker 3:So that was a down point for me, just just for that aspect of it. Um, as far as you know, just just other blast points and whatnot like for me. Again I will just say, like, visually, this episode, this planet just had so much different to it than what we've seen so far in this show yeah that. I really did appreciate that. I would like to get the jacket that Obi-Wan's wearing. That would be very nice.
Speaker 1:They had the snow drip on this week.
Speaker 3:They had the snow drip. I definitely don't need it now, when it's this hot out.
Speaker 1:I like those speeders, I like the enclosed canopy speeders, like the uh, the enclosed you know the enclosed canopy speeders. Those were kind of cool. Um, I have a blast point for all star wars like this is not. This is. This is my hot take. This is my hot take for the entire star wars franchise. Like everything, from start to finish.
Speaker 1:If there's, is there nowhere else to go on a planet? Like like these guys, the talls, they, they live in this one area, in a single cave on this planet and they're like the fuck out, get the fuck off my planet. Like, are there no more? Are you like the only talls on the planet? There's, they're not another side. Can you not like? Like, are there no more? Are you like the only tall on the planet? There's there not another side? Can you not like?
Speaker 1:It's like with everything in Star Wars, everything is like it's. It's all the planet, the planet, the planet. Ok, well, go to the other side, my dude. I mean, it's like they can live here. It's cool. Nobody else lives on this entire planet. Are they the only talls there? Is that the only place that they live on the entire fucking planet? And if so, what's on the other side of the planet that you can't colonize or do something to. That's everything in Star Wars. It's like one city is like the entire planet. If it's not Coruscant, coruscant is one city, that's an entire planet. I get that correct, but in this case it's like it's the same thing in Naboo.
Speaker 2:Well Naboo has the different species. You've got Thed.
Speaker 1:Thed is a city, thed is the city. Are you telling me? There's no other continents, there's not an island somewhere, there's no other land masses or forms on this planet? You know, and it's like when they do a blockade of a planet, it's like they're lined up in a wall in front of the planet. It's like, motherfucker, I can go up down around you, I can come in from the other side, where you're not at. How is eight ships spread out in a line supposed to stop me? No, that, just to go around or go underneath, like you've got magic again. Again, I know you have to suspend disbelief. It's just. It's just for the story, it's just the visuals.
Speaker 1:There is no physics involved like in in the phantom menace, when they were going to run the blockade. You could have just gone out the back door off the other side of the planet. You didn't have to go through them.
Speaker 2:Why do I even?
Speaker 1:watch these movies.
Speaker 3:I know I've only read a few of the books so far, but I will say so far, in the books that I've read they do a much better job of exploring a whole planet as opposed to just the site of a battle or whatever 20 square miles of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like this entire episode took place in like 20 square miles.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I feel like there's somebody else on the other side of the planet just like eating a bag of like I don't know frozen chips or I don't know, whatever the tall frozen chips okay I don't know they got to eat something. I mean some, some monk fruit, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know what those, those creatures they look like um, have you ever obviously you guys seen the Fly?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, the movie and that's what he looks like with the little. He's got the little tooth. They look like frozen.
Speaker 2:They look like yetis, but with their three little eyes. I want to know what they eat. I'm going to look them up, Well apparently they suck something because they only have that little tooth in their mouth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they sure do, they sure do, they sure do. Oh, sherry froze up. That's so funny, she froze up. What sherry, are you with us? Are you still there? Yeah, okay you froze up for a second and you were like, yeah, they suck. And you got your screen was frozen while you were doing this. They suck.
Speaker 2:That's the thumbnail, well at least I wasn't doing that.
Speaker 3:That's true.
Speaker 1:But you are now and the screen froze again. No, it didn't, Tony. Did you see it, or no?
Speaker 3:It absolutely did, not for long, but it did.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying all right. The universe is trying to tell you something. We'll discuss that more later.
Speaker 3:Oh my.
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Speaker 1:I know it's secret squirrel stuff. Okay, so episode 16, the Hidden Enemy. I thought this was a nice little insight more into the clone mindset. We see a traitor in their midst, sold them out for a little bit of money and maybe some massage ass. Oh, totally forgot last episode. Remembrance thoughts and prayers snow speeder, cavern troopers oh yeah we're going across the little ice bridge. It collapsed down. They went screaming, but anyway, darkness of death. So thoughts and prayers, brothers, okay, so asajj, so so Asajj and Obi-Wan.
Speaker 2:I know it didn't happen, but it should have. Are we going to talk about their sexual escapade or what?
Speaker 1:I am going to ship them forever. There's so much sexual tension between the two of them?
Speaker 3:Yeah, there really is. The first time when they interacted I was like, okay, this is a little weird, the familiarity. You're hinting about something, maybe, but no way. And then you hear it again and you're like, maybe.
Speaker 2:I mean, they just flat out went for it this time when she took her robe off.
Speaker 1:She did it all slow like I was, like I've been waiting for you, obi-wan, and Obi's like alright and she kind of caressed herself as it came down her body.
Speaker 2:I was like what's going on? You think they used the force in their mind to come together.
Speaker 3:It almost makes you wonder what would have happened if Anakin wasn't there. Ah man, Some fighting.
Speaker 1:What's that game Kiss Marry Kill. Is that the game Kiss marry kill? What fuck marry kill?
Speaker 2:Marry boff kill.
Speaker 3:Marry boff kill.
Speaker 2:Marry boff.
Speaker 3:That's from 30.
Speaker 2:Rock.
Speaker 1:I may have heard that before. It's like who would you marry, fuck or kill or whatever? I feel like with those two, it's all you know. Who would you, you know, marry, fuck or kill or whatever? I feel like with those two, it's all three, it is, I think, it's all. I think that I don't know if asajj is the marrying type, but oh no, but I think she'd try it out for obi I think she would.
Speaker 1:She loves some obi-wan, I mean there's just, and he's like he's holding it back. We'll find out later about he does have an actual love interest and we'll find out more about her later. But it's like you know, the Jedi Order says you can't be with her, but with Asajj you can't have a relationship, but you can still I mean you can still have some fun. Well, she's like a forbidden fruit?
Speaker 2:Yeah, she is. I mean, I think she's gross, but hey, you like what you like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's cute. I mean, you know, and they always say the mentally unstable ones are wild.
Speaker 3:We're wild in the sack. But anyway so that's their tension.
Speaker 1:Yes, their tension Anyway. So the episode we're seeing, we're seeing the clone trooper and Slick. He's got this idea that the clones are enslaved. He feels that all of his brothers are slaves to the Republic and the Jedi. What are your thoughts on that? I thought that was a very interesting take. They are. That's a hot take.
Speaker 2:They were bred to work for them.
Speaker 1:So are they slaves? They were bought and paid for with Republic credits. I'm not going to say Are they slaves?
Speaker 2:I'm not going to say that. I think that's a little too much, is it, though? Well, I think it is.
Speaker 1:If they leave they can't just leave, or it's desertion. They'll be executed for desertion or imprisoned. They can't just say you know what, I don't want to do this anymore. I'm out.
Speaker 2:Oh well then, yeah, they're bought and paid for.
Speaker 1:One of them did, and we'll get to him in an episode.
Speaker 2:But I think that's where this is where the start, the spark is going to start for them to be a little more independent. I mean, they already picked names instead of their number, and that's really awesome. So, yeah, I think he's the spark and she might have mind. You know, did some mind shit on him.
Speaker 1:That's possible too.
Speaker 2:That's possible too, but I think it doesn't mean that the, that the idea wasn't there, though already right, she might have just played on what's happening and I.
Speaker 1:I didn't. I didn't like the like. I would like to have known more. How did she even get to him? The clones don't hang out at a bar and they're on a planet that they're currently fighting on, so it's not like he went down to the village and hung out and she just happened to bump into him there.
Speaker 2:I would have liked to have known more about how the two of them. Well, boy was like hiding in a corner collecting freaking droid fingers, so why wouldn't he maybe go down to the bar?
Speaker 1:I mean, we but that was all within the like their base camp, like where, like she's like a little ninja, so I mean, I guess, she's all over the place.
Speaker 2:She's like a little ninja. She's all over the place. If he was in a little corner and she sensed him.
Speaker 1:Do you think that's what it was? She kind of sensed his descent, I think so. She sensed that he was starting to have questions about his purpose and the purpose of his brothers.
Speaker 3:That would make the most sense to me and I will say my curiosity with, with slick and this whole concept is is this just a weird flaw in his programming?
Speaker 2:That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 3:Because, like I mean presumably speaking, like I mean they've been given, whether it's a implanted chip or if it's just built into their structure and their entire childhood, as they were raised with this sense of duty, with the sense of you know, I take orders and I don't question things. And so far, from the things that I have seen, it is very, very, very rare that any of them overcome that.
Speaker 2:Right, right. Well, because the doctor on Camino says that when they were first found, yeah, like in the movie, they actually say they are genetically altered for combat Use. Like that's for intelligence, and like they really so, yeah, it should have been bred out of them. And didn't one of the other clones in his squad say something like oh, I knew, so, yeah, it should have been bred out of them?
Speaker 1:And didn't one of the other clones in his squad say something like oh, I knew you were defective, or something like that? I thought that he made a comment like that, I don't remember, not to Slick, but to the other one that made.
Speaker 3:The one that was suspected before Slick. The other one with the droid fingers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought they had said to him yeah, I always thought you were defective or something like that. So that's even something in their within. Clone culture is to think of themselves as items like you're defective, you're broken.
Speaker 2:He didn't say I thought there was something wrong with you. If you think a certain way, that's not broken. He didn't say I thought there was something wrong with you, you're defective. If you think a certain way that's not with their training, then you're defective. If you have a free thought, a free thought, I want to put it that way.
Speaker 1:No, you're right. What I'm saying is the words that he used. You're defective. Like a robot, I would never. What I'm saying is like the words that he used. You're defective, like if I, if somebody, I would never I would. Yeah, I would like a robot, right, I would never say that to someone. I would say you know, dude, you're fucked up or you're crazy or there's something wrong with you, which is obviously the same thing as saying you're defective. But I think it does. It shows that they're bred to see themselves as a tool, as an item, as an object, as a piece of property. And Slick was like yeah, fuck that. I think.
Speaker 3:I'm going to refer to people like that You're defective.
Speaker 1:You're a defective clone.
Speaker 2:It's a nice way to do an insult.
Speaker 3:I mean as much as he's a jackass. Slick has a point Correct. There's a better way of going about it, but he had a point.
Speaker 1:He did, he did, he did have a point, I agree, all right. So pros cons any sort of blast point, a hot take about this episode? Any sort of blast point or a hot take about this episode?
Speaker 3:I mean, to me, the con to this episode was just that it's out of order and they don't tell you that. We know that by the context of it, but if you hadn't seen the movie, this episode doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1:At least where it's located. I could see that Because you're like where's Ahsoka? I think that's the big thing Because, like you said, if you hadn't seen the movie because in this particular episode Ahsoka hasn't gotten there yet, right. But for this entire season we've seen her for the last 13, basically 13 episodes, 14, 15 episodes, and now what is she at? So yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3:Beyond that, I thought it was a good episode. I think that it does a good job of setting up where the movie is, does a good job of setting up where the movie is Like. It makes sense, in particular, why they're struggling so much because they've lost all that weaponry. All they've got left are the heavy cannons. You know that they're and honestly I would need to go back and watch the movie again at this point. But there are certain points in the movie where some of the clones seem like they're struggling a bit and it would make sense if they're struggling because they're just coming off this betrayal by one of their own.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, yeah, that's a good point that are struggling because they're just coming off this betrayal by one of their own, but obviously we didn't know that at the time. Okay, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I agree with that. So maybe their morale's down a little bit yeah, because we're still really early in the Clone Wars. And then so to have one of your brothers turn against you like that, yeah, I could see that man, man I think he was just trying to save them, though, from themselves, because he wanted.
Speaker 2:I think he wants.
Speaker 1:He's striving to be a, an actual individual he wants to be, and I think you know, I think for him.
Speaker 2:oh well, yeah, sure, I have a name, but I'm still not an individual. I have 14,000 brothers here, or however many clones there are, because they're still producing them at this point, I think.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, they're still getting pumped out. Yeah, so it's like I mean, every time you see one of those capital ships get blown up, there's like 20,000 clones that got incinerated on that ship. I mean clones were dying by the tens of thousands. I mean, every time a ship blows up, it's just a lot of life was lost.
Speaker 2:But that could be what pushed him over the edge. You see all your brothers dying because they are your brothers. Yeah. To be honest, they're closer than brothers, since they're clones they're all. Their DNA is exactly the same.
Speaker 1:Think of how close twins are and then multiply that by like a billion Right.
Speaker 2:Identical twins. But yeah, yeah, yeah. So you feel I think at some point it there's gonna be a defect. I'm not saying it really is a defect, but yeah, right within the, within the system, um, as they start pumping out clones, and also um, django, django is the clone the original right yeah yeah he died he died. The donor? Yeah, so yeah, but after a while you're using older dna. I mean, I don't know if dna I'm glad you brought that up. I know, this is just a movie, huh, huh.
Speaker 3:Copy of a copy.
Speaker 1:Because they talk about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy. You know, when you had the original it was fine Because you could just get fresh DNA from him. But now that he's not there I mean, unless they use Boba Fett- they cover that.
Speaker 1:It's very interesting. They cover that when they talk about.
Speaker 2:So they're going to start degrading.
Speaker 1:This generation of clone. This generation of clone. This is from the original batch or whatever, but they do touch on that.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I mean after a while it's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you said, Tony, copy of a copy of a copy. So things are going to degrade eventually, Correct? So we have to, unfortunately, once again say goodbye and remember the falling to his death trooper when they were on the zip line going across, going from one building to the other. He's just like.
Speaker 2:Very sad, very sad.
Speaker 1:Thoughts and prayers. I mean a lot of clones get shot and stuff and they get blown up and things like that.
Speaker 1:So what we're doing with this, it's like if you get shot or you get blown up, you don't know it, you're done, you're just lights out, but these poor souls are falling to their death, they're being eaten alive by something. I mean, it's just the poor clones, they just some of them just go out. Harsh man, just harsh um. All right. So, moving on to our last episode in this series, uh, in this particular batch, um, blue shadow virus, the only note that I have for it is jar jar binks. That's the only thing I wrote down. It was just I, the guy doing the voice. It sounds like me trying to do a jar jar voice and I can't. And. And then there was what's her poppy pepsi, poppy bow. I think that was the female poppy bow. Pippy peppy, the, the female gungan, yeah, yeah, um, she was cute. I mean, I'd smash, I suppose, but I think there there should be, I'm just saying the gungans and their tongue I'm just saying, I'm just putting that out there, I'm just saying I mean'm just putting that out there.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying I mean she could hit you from across the room with that Got him. Anyway, yeah, and rip it off. No, no, they're good, they can control, they're prehensile, they're good with those tongues, not Jar Jar Jar Jar. You know he has me questioning things about myself too from time to time.
Speaker 2:That motherfucker. He's a Scooby-Doo episode I mean fuck he is.
Speaker 1:I really think something should have happened.
Speaker 2:You can't resist a bug. You're like this chancellor you can go get food, fool. What are you doing?
Speaker 1:Yeah you're like a representative.
Speaker 3:This is my primary note for this episode as well. It's just the oh fuck, we're back to dumbass Jar Jar again. It's just unfortunate.
Speaker 1:I feel bad because whenever it's a Jar Jar Padme episode, I'm just like, alright, I get it, let's do this Like Padme's the bomb.
Speaker 2:She is, I love Padme and she's so forgiving of him.
Speaker 1:She's so nice, she's so gentle with him.
Speaker 2:She really is, because he almost just ruined everything Again, so no, he almost got the entire planet dead. I mean basically that's why he got kicked out of his own world. For God's sake.
Speaker 1:Oh, and then the doctor. When he was looking through the little telescope he zoomed in right on Padme's ass. I promise you, the animators did that shit on purpose and they were laughing their asses off when they did it. So okay, the doctor's looking around, he spots our heroes. Zoom in on Padme's ass in her little tight hazmat suit.
Speaker 2:Uh-oh.
Speaker 1:What'd you spill?
Speaker 2:No, I didn't spill anything, but this thing that my computer's on is about to break.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, don't move.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna move here. And you saw again Anakin loving his Padme.
Speaker 1:Oh man.
Speaker 2:Did you see that face when Obi-Wan's like you're not to go get her?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like that's a risk we're going to have to take. She might die in there. And he was like that's a risk we're going to have to take. Yeah, because there's no way. And Obi-Wan gets it, he knows how Anakin feels about her, but at the same time, obi-wan still has that common sense enough to know that you know the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. So you know, like who else? Like we? We heard don't. I think it was uh ala sakura.
Speaker 1:I think she said you know, don't sacrifice one for a thousand, you know trying to talk to about that, you know, and it's and and to some extent that is absolutely true right, it's a hard choice to make. It's a very, very hard choice to make, you know, and anakin is not. He is not good at leaving his loved ones behind you. I mean, we saw in in jedi crash when he used the force to push everybody into the airlock and he was willing to sacrifice himself to stop that blast.
Speaker 2:He was ready to die for everybody else in that room, including the clones, and padme wasn't even there, no, but I think that I'm sorry that I thought was heroic for him to do.
Speaker 1:I know, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's like he. And again we go back to, as we're watching the Clone Wars. You know we are seeing, you know Ahsoka develop, but we're also really, really seeing the depths of Anakin's compassion. Sherry, you and I talked about this recently with George Lucas.
Speaker 1:George Lucas was explaining in very simple terms the difference between the light side and the dark side, and George himself, words from his mouth. He said that the light side he wasn't talking about the Jedi and the Sith, he just said light side, dark side. The light side is selfless, period. They do things for others. The dark side is selfish. They think only inwardly of themselves. So that could apply to both Jedi and Sith. Because when Anakin becomes Vader, is he still selfish? I mean, we don't see him performing any selfless acts, except when he stops Boba Fett from shooting Chewbacca. We see that. But Anakin, as we've seen so far, he is extremely selfless. But does that do those selfless acts? Is that coming from a place of love or a place of fear of loss, or a little bit of both?
Speaker 2:So that's him, both sides, it's both for him, for him in particular's both, it's both for him.
Speaker 3:For him in particular, especially this early on. I think it's a combination of three things. I think it's a combination of love, I think it's a combination of fear, but I also think it's just a overconfidence in his own abilities. Where it's the oh, no problem, I can throw you guys through this door and I'm still going to be fine, I'm going to make it out of my house.
Speaker 1:Okay so you've got that arrogance maybe. Oh, a lot, yeah, for sure. But I don't think it's for selfish reasons.
Speaker 2:No, I know, but I don't think it's for to be honest at this point. I don't think it's for to be honest at this point. I don't think it's for selfish reasons At this point. Agreed, it just turns into later on.
Speaker 3:In his particular case. I don't know that I consider it selfish. I mean a few of loss by itself is not a selfish thing, it's just.
Speaker 2:But the thing is he hurts the love of his life for his own selfish reasons, because he wants to keep her safe.
Speaker 1:He's afraid to lose her. He's afraid to lose. It's that fear of loss For Anakin. It's always, always been since day one, since he was nine years old and he lost his mother, or he had to believe he left his mother. It's fear of loss you know, like Yoda sensed it immediately.
Speaker 1:He said you're afraid, you know, you, you, you miss your. He's like I miss my mother, you know, and he, and then, obviously, when she, when she's murdered by the tuscan raiders, I mean it's like that, that, just that just really cemented that fear into place. You know, now he has someone else to love. He wasn't able to protect his mother. With all the power that he has, he wasn't able to protect his mother. But you better be fucking damn sure he's going to protect Padme by any means necessary and ultimately we won't talk about it because we're not there yet but, he's going to protect Padme no matter what happens, no matter what he has to do, even if that means dipping his toes on the dark side.
Speaker 2:That's the flip.
Speaker 1:Between selfish and selfless.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's one of those things well, I can't, you can't, I mean we're going to see it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're coming up on that pretty soon.
Speaker 2:But no, I thought this episode was pretty decent.
Speaker 1:What Blue Shadow Virus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was fine. I'm not sure, I mean unless they're going to do something more with this Shadow Virus. I just really didn't think it was relevant.
Speaker 1:It was okay, it was okay, you know, yeah, yeah, I agree. I don't think we got a whole lot of extra depth from it.
Speaker 3:I mean, the bad guy is very, very one-dimensional. Now, to me, the only point this episode had again unless this virus turns into a bigger thing is that we're establishing just how far the separatists will go. I mean, yeah, you want to talk about the difference between light side and dark side? I mean, we're talking chemical warfare.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Like that's a whole other level that we have yet to see.
Speaker 2:Well, in Genocide he was going to kill the whole planet, or all kinds of planets actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Straight up, Genocide he was going to kill the whole planet, or all kinds of planets actually. Yeah, straight up Genocide. I think he went off even the Separatist rails. He was using Separatist equipment but he had his own agenda of bringing peace to the galaxy by eradicating the virus, that is, sentient species that bring war to the galaxy. So he's like, well, he he basically was going to Thanos snap, but on a larger scale.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, that was. I love the design, I love the look, I love how I made him look like a 1950s movie villain.
Speaker 2:Oh, like you look like Mr Freeze.
Speaker 1:He did look like Mr Freeze. He did look like Mr Freeze. It was pretty cool. I liked it the old school Mr Freeze. But the rest of the episode was trash. It was dumb.
Speaker 2:He was like yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:What was that? Like an old German Nazi scientist. It was like no, it was okay. Is it worth a watch? Not really, you're all worth watching.
Speaker 2:I suppose the only important part was just the little spark with Anakin and Padme, and then that was it.
Speaker 1:If you're pressed for time, you can skip it. Yeah, Again.
Speaker 3:I'm curious because I don't know that we're done with this virus as a whole yet. If we are, you don't think, and yeah, this can be skipped completely. If we're not, then obviously there could be some importance still.
Speaker 1:But okay, we'll see. We'll see next week what happens yeah all right, all right, so that's it.
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