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Star Wars: Safespace
Outlaws, Clone Wars and The Fandom Menace
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Speaker 1:You didn't hear anything.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, there's no echo and we'll fix it in post. Oh my God, welcome to the show. Brand new season for us here on Star Wars Sucks. So howdy succulents, welcome to Star Wars Sucks, your non-toxic, low-sodium star wars show. That doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that splinter of the mind's eye was the first original star wars novel and would have changed the skywalker saga as we know it. You guys have never read it. I highly recommend, uh, picking it up. It is unfortunately um, no longer canon, but it goes.
Speaker 3:RIP.
Speaker 1:RIP.
Speaker 2:It would have been great.
Speaker 1:It goes hard. If you haven't read it, highly recommend it goes hard. They lean in a little bit more on the incest stuff. But at that point Luke and Leia well, I mean Luke and leia weren't, uh, weren't considered brother and sister at that point, which is why it is no longer canon, because he was, he was still trying to hook up. But uh, she, leia fights, vader, luke fights. Vader luke uses a kyber crystal to save himself and leia, he chops Vader's arm off because he's possessed by the spirit of Obi-Wan Kenobi. It's just, it's just peak star Wars. It's just like a really cool star Wars like novella Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's just, there's just a lot of stuff going on. It's such a good book, um. But you know, george was like nah, let's make them brother and sister. We'll forget about all the creepy stuff later. It's fine, thanks, george. It's fine, we're all fine here. No, thank you, all right. So, whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little swarzy curious, this here is your Star Wars safe space. And of course, we are the Circle of Nerds and we do indeed love star wars, even if we don't always like it, which has been kind of the case lately, unfortunately. So let's meet the fam. Show me, from my left to your right, it is the sensational sherry, aka the bog witch, which I'm gonna change that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, hello everyone, you're not going to be bogwitching it out no, I'll think about something else okay, are you sure? Yeah, I'm pretty sure, I don't know, and from the outer rim territory of Boston. Daddy Louie, hello children and hailing from parts unknown. It is t to the oni welcome back to the galaxy, everybody hey, hey, hey.
Speaker 1:Like hearing that, like seeing that, and let's push this button. There we go. And I, of course, am tommy d. You are more than slightly obnoxious. Star wars, know it all. So what are we doing here on this here show? Well, our mission is to watch all of the Star Wars canon films and TV shows in chronological order, breaking them down, connecting the dots and learning more about Star Wars, and maybe a little bit about ourselves along the way. So, warning, there will be spoilers. Maybe not this week, but who knows, we always spoil shit. It's fine. So this week, speaking of this week, we're going to get geared up to watch season two of the Clone Wars. I am super excited about this. This is a great, great season of the Clone Wars. This is where things start getting interesting. So we're going to talk about that. But first the news.
Speaker 3:Insert news music here.
Speaker 1:Insert news music here. So first let's talk about Star Wars Outlaws. It released last week, august 27th. I think it was give or take, and it's okay, it's doing okay, it's uh, it's all right, it's not bad. So there were a lot of complaints about the main character, cave vests, and her appearance. People said that she was a little ugly and frumpy and this and that and the other. Um, she was functional.
Speaker 2:I mean damn very functional.
Speaker 1:She doesn't have to be super hot, she doesn't be a supermodel. I mean she's cute enough. I mean I don't know what difference does it make? Right, what's the?
Speaker 3:difference. Right, it's not like you're playing freaking bayonetta, like you know what I mean yeah, that's good right, like you don't need that kind of protagonist in a game like this, and that's totally fine people, I agree they're just looking for stuff for their spank paint. So people are stupid they're stupid, they're like.
Speaker 1:Well, because they talked about um the voice actress humberly garcia, is that her name? I think? Sure um sure, humberly gonzalez.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, not garcia gonzalez um damn way to fuck it up I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I know it's, she's a racist I'm joking my god, here we go already with the racist.
Speaker 2:He just thinks all the hispanic names are the same well, I mean, yeah, y'all look alike, you and louis yeah, sherry and I look a lot alike same haircut
Speaker 1:uh, yeah, almost yeah damn near so um, the voice actress is very pretty, but I thought k was just fine. K looks like someone that comes from a rough and tumble. You know town. You know she's not a jedi, thank god. Uh and uh, she's just, uh, she's just a young gal trying to make her way through the galaxy yeah, and she's a smuggler.
Speaker 2:Yeah, fuck, fuck. You want her in a fucking cocktail dress and shit or a bikini To smuggle shit. I mean, that's the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
Speaker 3:That's what I mean. It's not like you're playing Bayonetta, Like if you're going into this expecting that the protagonist is going to have big boobs and skimpy outfits outfits.
Speaker 4:maybe this isn't the game for you right laura croft people calm down I mean to be fair, to be fair, and I'm not encouraging these people. But let me be clear on this. Um, I mean, considering the way that we have commented repeatedly on how they draw padme for the series that we're currently watching, I'm not surprised that some fans would expect that. At the same time get the fuck over it.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Like, padme is Padme. They made her that way on purpose for fanfare. But this is a game and it's supposed to be a fun game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they draw the hell out of Padme. Well, you know, I mean what are you going to do?
Speaker 2:But also it's a different artist.
Speaker 1:so hey, you know, I mean, what are you gonna do? Also, it's different artists. So hey sherry, hey tom, we'll take a little technical break here. Can you turn?
Speaker 2:your volume up some. Not the gain, but the volume yes, I know what you're talking about. I know, you know what I'm talking. Can you hear me now?
Speaker 1:I can hear you am I good?
Speaker 2:do I have to? I think so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know the mic you might have to get really close to it, like really really get close to it.
Speaker 2:Really close. There you go, asmr style.
Speaker 1:ASMR style. There you go, alright, so yeah, so a lot of backlash in the, you know, in the fandom menace community. You know, people don't like Ubisoft, people don't like the way that K looks. The game itself I've played and it is okay. Like I, I thought when it came out that was going to be a wrap for me with all the other games I play. So no more fallout 76, no more star field.
Speaker 2:Lies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's not the case. It's like you know, this open world star Wars game, that's like that's not the case. It's like you know, this open world star wars game, that's like that's my jam. But I found I find myself just taking it on in little bits and pieces, like I might play for, like, and I think I've only got a few hours into the game itself yeah so it it's not a bad game, it's just there's nothing there yet.
Speaker 1:That is really compelling me to want to like, really do like a 12 hour, 24 hour session on it now, is it not?
Speaker 3:I haven't played now, is it? Why do you think that? Like, what is the main? Is it because, like, when you're playing, you're not engaged enough to pass, like where you're not passing time, you know? It just feels like you're not engaged enough to pass, like where you're not passing time, you know. It just feels like you're not doing anything, like what?
Speaker 4:is it.
Speaker 3:What is it that's?
Speaker 1:not holding your attention so, based on, like I I'm on, I'm only on like the second planet. So again, you know, there's, I guess, the story. The story isn't that long anyway. Um, I guess people said you can get through it in like 12 plus hours. But it's, it's, there's nothing bad about it. Like I, I can't, I can't say anything bad about it. It's just it's serviceable, it's, it's beautiful, it's a great looking game. I like the, the action sequences, the stealth sequences. You know everything makes sense. So, like where I'm at right now, I'm on like an Imperial ship and I got to sneak around and I get it. That makes sense. A lot of people are complaining about like forced stealth or whatever, but I get it makes sense. If I'm on an Imperial cruiser, I'm not going to go in guns blazing right With just my blaster pistol. I'm going going to go in guns blazing right with just my blaster pistol. I'm going to creep around Obviously. Um, nick's the little, your little pet. Awesome, I love that mechanic.
Speaker 2:So cute.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's super cute. Um, there's a lot to do. There's a lot to do and see. Like the open world areas, there's tons of like little little spots you can check out, little Easter eggs. There's stuff everywhere. I mean like every square inch of this map, you know, you can explore it, you can find, you know, little upgrades, little things to collect. I don't know, I don't know what it is. You know, I've seen people you know people posting video and photos once they get to Tatooine, and Tatooine is just incredibly beautiful. I mean, the way that they've got Tatooine rendered out is just absolutely beautiful. So I'm looking forward to getting there, but it just feels like season one of the Clone Wars right now.
Speaker 3:Right, so it's not bad like you know, it has potential, but it's a slog getting there it feels a bit like a slog getting there right now and I don't know why.
Speaker 1:Again there, I can't, there, I cannot put my finger on anything. The mechanics are fine. Um, I saw someone complaining about how you only have like one weapon, like you've only got your master pistol, and that's it right, you know. But it's like motherfucker, how many, how many weapons did han solo use? One, right, right, for fucking nine movies, seven movies. My dude used one, one weapon. But you can pick weapons up along the way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I think for you, you're used to having so many things to choose from too.
Speaker 1:Like that doesn't bother me.
Speaker 2:To be honest, it's not Not that it bothers you, but I just think when you play it, it's just you know I don't know Like you're going through the motions.
Speaker 4:to be honest, I guess my question is, knowing the games that you enjoy, in particular red dead and fallout and whatnot, from what I have gathered and I have not played the game in the slightest, you know, I've only I've seen a few videos here and there, but it sounds to me like the like where you're at in the game right now isn't actually the open world. Like right now, it's. It's more of for lack of a better term a tutorial where it's it's yeah, you're on a linear path that will become open world.
Speaker 1:But you're not to that point yet right, like I, I just did my first space battle. I got my ship put together and launched and did my first couple space battles, docked with the imperial cruiser and all that. So, yeah, I know I get it. You know where I'm at right now. This is still, you know, the training wheels are still on at this point.
Speaker 4:I'm just. I'm curious. If that's like he says, there's nothing particularly negative, but I think it's just for what you particularly like in a game.
Speaker 1:You haven't gotten to that point in this game yet yeah, I think it's customization, I think that's what it does. I mean, I think that's what it is like I you know, when you're playing fall of 76, what's right I don't have that right.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, because even like on the other games you play, it's like I can make my own character well, yeah, but you also I don't want. I mean I don't know what to say, but you just you don't do the storyline. You'll like you do eventually, but if it's an open world, you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not. I'm doing the same thing right now. I'm just wandering off, but it's like I. I have to go through the main story now in order to progress.
Speaker 2:Right, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Right now, in order to progress right. That's what I'm saying right, right, right.
Speaker 3:But I don't feel like when I'm able to create my own character um you feel invested in that.
Speaker 1:I feel invested in that. You know, like the ship is very cool, like kvess's ship um is really cool, but I've got a highly customized ship in starfield. That's badass, you know. So it's like I think, had I not played, to be honest, had I not played starfield or fallout 76 or red dead redemption, where you've got, you know, all these customization options right um, had I just been playing things like like, what is it like?
Speaker 1:jedi order, jedi survivor? Um, um, force unleashed these types of games where you just have your character and it is the story of that person? Um, if I had just played those games, I think it would be fine, cause this is just. It's just that this is the story of cave S you're all about decorating and I like to play dress up.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I character and building ships and yeah yeah, I like the extra customization.
Speaker 1:So I think maybe that's what's not doing it for me, but again, that's not, that's not a slight on the game at all, because the game, everything that the game does right now, it's doing it well, I think. Um, I've, I haven't run into any bugs or glitches. I haven't, you know, it hasn't crashed on me yet, but I also haven't, you know, I don't think I'm more than a few hours into it, but the developers of the game from Massive Entertainment they actually sat down with GamesRadar to talk about the response radar, to talk about the response and a couple of the things. Uh, they said that they felt that the stealth was a little bit too punishing. Um, so the? Uh, one of the developers said one of the earliest missions in miragana is incredibly punishing and for me that that is a mistake. Um, so this realization is something that crept in the last week or so and it's something that we're correcting already for a patch that's coming out in maybe 10 days. So they're on top.
Speaker 3:I had heard of that. I had heard people saying that the stealth was fine but it was unforgiving, to where, like, if you get caught, there's not even an opportunity to run away and get yourself uncaught and re-hide. Basically, if you got caught, you were oh really yeah, yeah, you can some people. I thought I was reading some stuff online where people were saying that, basically, once you were caught, you're f'd and it sends you all the way back to a.
Speaker 3:You know you have to like get that caught up again it depends on the mission.
Speaker 1:So there are some missions where it is stealth only, like that is that is the mission, like you have to get from point a to point b without getting caught. If you get caught it's a mission failed. So you cut screen, fail, restart. So yes, there is that. But there's other, there's other areas where you do have the choice to go guns blazing or go stealth and in those missions if you do get busted you can run away, break line of sight, hide and then you're. It's like in, uh, like in skyrim, you know, you're. You know the little alert meter or whatever will will start to go down.
Speaker 1:So but so this is not skyrim in space no, no, it does feel a lot more like tomb raider, uh, because everything is a puzzle and I like that. So, like like right now, like I said, I'm on the imperial cruiser and I have to get from point A to point B. I am fucking surrounded by Imperials and I'm like in the hangar bay and there's just, yeah, there's Imperials fucking everywhere. So I it's like, how do I get from point A to point B? And they give you multiple options. There is not always a clear path. You're not getting a way, point, you know, and I'm also playing it on the highest difficulty settings, always, always, yeah. So so everything is, you know, is a bit more brutal. Um, but the fact that the developers are listening to the fan base, listening to the player base, and they're going to address it in patches, like like within 10 days, that's crazy that's a very good sign, that's good yeah, that is a great turnaround.
Speaker 1:And then, you know, looking ahead at the roadmap for the game, there's like a really cool like mandalorian bundle that's coming out for it. Um, there's the wild card, uh story update, which is all about sabacc.
Speaker 3:So, louis, that's gonna be the sabacc in the game looks phenomenally fun. They've completely, like, revamped the game but kept it like it's its own version, which is great, but it's yeah, I would buy the game just to play sabacc. Like, just get me to where I can play sabacc and I'm just. I'm good there, I just gotta get you should.
Speaker 1:I think you should and like louis for you, because you, because you don't play those bethesda games with massive levels of customization, I really think you'll enjoy outlaw. I really really do. I think you will really enjoy. It's very immersive. I mean it's very, very immersive. I mean when you, when you're walking around, there's so much to look at. There's a lot of really cool background happening, the sound effects. You know different people, some people are talking basic, some people are speaking in alien languages. Nothing is written in English, everything is an Aurebesh as you're looking around. So it's really it's very immersive. I'm very impressed with that. Um, it is to me. I would say it is 100 worth a purchase for a star wars fan, um, so if you want to, if you really do want to like get into that immersive star wars world, 100 worth a purchase, like, without a doubt, like I, but again, for me, I'm giving it about a b minus at this point, um, but that's just my personal still pretty good.
Speaker 3:I mean, I would say a, b minus is still pretty good yeah, I do it, I just get the game.
Speaker 1:Get the game there's. There's. No, I just bought.
Speaker 3:I just bought warhammer because all you truckers convinced me to buy Warhammer.
Speaker 1:Are you going to play Warhammer with us?
Speaker 3:I played it a little bit earlier. I didn't play online, but I think I have to get to a certain point in the story to get online.
Speaker 1:We're never going to see you on there. I'm going to buy the game and the day that I buy it will be the day I stop playing the day that you stop playing like.
Speaker 3:The only reason I haven't bought it yet was because because you want to make sure that, like I've been playing for more than two days in a row yes, I want to make sure that you're invested in the game because it looks beautiful. It looks amazing, so the graphics are yeah, it is very, very pretty and it's just gory as hell, like it's just like there's just alien blood everywhere it's I'm planning on getting white armor, just so I can see all the blood splattering caked on my armor.
Speaker 1:I want like pure white armor.
Speaker 3:Decapitation, decapitation.
Speaker 1:So back to Outlaw. The developers also said that there is a Pirates story pack coming out as well that features our buddy Hondo. You know how cool is that? So we're going to get to hang out with Hondo. I think the game's got games got legs and I think that it could easily turn into a 10-year game easily. So, with with with with support, with developer support, um, and it sounds like massive entertainment. You know they're they're doing it right, especially listening to the fan base. So I haven't.
Speaker 3:I mean I would take five years of support. I mean, that's more than a lot of companies give with games these days. Usually it's one, two max, you know right, and after, after two years, unless the game is purposely built to, you know, like house expansions and seasons and stuff like that, like destiny, like red dead, you know a living world, so and.
Speaker 3:I also think like if it man, it stinks that there isn't that level of player character customization and then you could allow. You know, just like red dead online, you could have people drop into servers.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's coming. Maybe that's coming, maybe that's coming.
Speaker 3:Star Wars Online.
Speaker 1:Because right now they're saying that this is the first open world Star Wars game, which is a lie, and it is. It's a 100% lie. It is not the first open world star wars game. That was star wars galaxies yeah that. That's the game that almost got me divorced yeah that's the game here. That's the game where I opted to go to an in-game wedding instead of you went to the real wedding too, because that wasn't happening.
Speaker 2:But we were late for the real wedding because of the in-game wedding.
Speaker 1:The in-game wedding yes, and there were times that I actually passed up sweet lovemaking opportunities to play Star Wars Galaxies. So the game was that good. It was that good. It was that good Really. It was that good, not as good as Ass.
Speaker 3:Don't think I've ever turned down that, ever for any reason ever. I don't think I've ever said no.
Speaker 2:That's another conversation. That's a whole other podcast.
Speaker 1:Are you kidding me? That's a whole other podcast. That's a Patreon exclusive folks, it really is.
Speaker 4:That's a whole, that's a Patreon, exclusive folks.
Speaker 2:It really is. That's a straight-up Patreon exclusive.
Speaker 1:I'm saying, star Wars sucks.
Speaker 2:Was it the game? I mean not for me, but I digress.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's my bad. So Keanu Reeves In Star Wars.
Speaker 4:Tony, this could be exciting. I was just reading an article that was talking about the potential that at one point they were Debating about offering Keanu the role of Master Saul for Acolyte, which Would have been interesting, but I'm personally glad that they didn't, because if they gave him that role, that's realistically unlikely that they ever give him a different role, and I would like to see that character fully fleshed out and and done. Whatever it is that they choose to do with him and, unfortunately, for a show that only went one season and the character died, I'm happy to think that they might do something different. Um, yeah, so apparently the studio is very open to having keanu play a role at some point in a future project, and I personally would love to see that.
Speaker 1:So do you think and this is for everyone do you think that the acolyte would have been more well received had keanu been in the role of soul, or would it have still gotten the same amount of hate? Like nothing. Nothing changes like nothing. Nothing else changes, just Keanu as Saul. So the, the writing, the editing, the pacing, the, the other, the other casting choices, everything else remains the same, but Keanu as Saul. Do you think the acolyte would have received the same amount of hate and would it have gotten renewed for a second season?
Speaker 3:I. I think that a an acolyte hater. I think that an acolyte hater, so someone who doesn't like the acolyte, which is not me. I think if you were to ask them that question, they would tell you no, it wouldn't matter that Keanu was in it, because the story sucked, the sucked, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, I, but I think that that's. I think that they would be lying to you. I think, deep down, right, I think that they totally would have a different opinion if Keanu was in it, 100%. I mean the fact I the fact that what's her face was in it. I mean think about fact that What's-Her-Face was in it. I mean think about all the press around her. I can't remember her name.
Speaker 4:Carrie Ann.
Speaker 1:Moss.
Speaker 2:Carrie Ann Moss. But when?
Speaker 3:you talk about her. I mean, like they used the heck out of her as publicity and you know, to get people excited about the show and then you know she dies five minutes into the opening scene or whatever. Granted, we got to see her in flashbacks and stuff but more it was, it was, it was their way.
Speaker 3:I mean, they needed, they felt they needed a big name in the movie or in the show to draw people in, because the story was not connected to something that they were familiar with. But they are familiar with her and that's why. So now just imagine everybody who didn't watch the Acolyte because it looked like the way that it did. How many of those people would have come in because, oh, there's Keanu. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I like the Acolyte. I think it's great.
Speaker 3:I thought it's great.
Speaker 2:I thought it was a good show. I don't think Keanu would have been good in that role. To be honest, I don't.
Speaker 3:I think Sol was great. I thought the guy who played Sol was perfect for the role.
Speaker 2:To be honest, I thought she was out of place. What's her name? To be honest, I thought she was out of place the Matrix what's her name? I actually thought she was out of place, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:She was badass though.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, she's badass in the Matrix too, which is cool. Too big, yes, yes, I think that's exactly it. They tried too hard to put a big name in, and so I think having Keanu actually wouldn't have made it, would have been worse Because they're too big. It's a nice little show, I don't know.
Speaker 4:That's what I think. I agree with that. I guess the way I would say this is the way that you've described the scenario. I agree with that. I guess the way I would say this is the way that you've described the scenario just putting Keanu in that role, changing nothing else. I don't think it makes a significant difference. However, now we're playing the what-if game of if you knew you had him and Carrie Ann Moss going into this whole thing. I think you I mean you're probably talking about a story rewrite at that point, because you're not going to have those two huge names in this series and have them playing second fill to a relatively unknown actress yeah, um.
Speaker 4:So I think it would have changed the entire dynamic and I'm not sure it would have been for the better. Maybe it would have. But I like, like the others, I like this show as it is. Um and again, especially considering that the character, as is written, dies at the end of the first season, I think it makes absolutely zero impact on whether or not they have a second season, right?
Speaker 1:So is Keanu Reeves too big for Star Wars? I mean, generally, over the years we've seen people play in Star Wars who were relatively unknown actors that end up getting big because of Star Wars. Harrison Ford was one of the few exceptions, but he still wasn't big, he wasn't a household name. Ford was one of the few exceptions, but he still wasn't big, he wasn't a household name. He had done what American graffiti, I think, prior to doing star Wars. So people knew him kind of, but you know. And then, of course, obviously, indiana Jones and the fugitive and all these other things. He became a huge megastar, but prior to that. And then what is it? Emily Clark, when she did school.
Speaker 4:Clark yeah.
Speaker 2:And then what is it? Emily Clark when she did Skull? Amelia Clark, yeah. Amelia Clark, yeah, yeah, I think in a movie. I think that would be fun and then maybe bring one to a show if they were going to have some kind of show after the fact, but no, not to start out in a show.
Speaker 4:I think that the fact that they brought in Sam Jackson to play Mace Windu tells me that you can have a big actor do it, but you have, but you have to put them in a substantial role. Yeah, Like it had. Like, if you're going to bring in that big of a name, it's not going to be as a tertiary character but Sam Jackson as Mace.
Speaker 1:It was such a terrible, terrible, terrible job. He just he flopped so hard in that role. It was like I love the character of Mace but Sam's performance was just so bad.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was so bad he's going to come get you motherfucker. I love Samuel L Jackson.
Speaker 1:Bad oh it was so bad, he's gonna come get you motherfucker. I love samuel jackson. We hang out on a regular basis, sam regular on the regular.
Speaker 1:You know I love you sam, you know I love you. I have a bad motherfucker t-shirt because of you, because you are a bad motherfucker sam. I think he just wanted to do star wars because he likes Star Wars. Yes, that's exactly what happened. But I don't blame Sam, I blame George. Well, you know everybody. I blame George for giving him shitty dialogue and not really opening up the character of Mace Windu, because we've seen Mace in animation just being a fucking badass.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, and animation, just being a fucking badass. Oh yeah, and I would love to see a mace windu series, an eight-part series, where he comes back in animation or like live action live with sam jackson with samuel jackson. Yes, he said he'd do it, he could pull it off because he's because, because he would be old and beat up in it. Off because he's because he would be old and beat up in the show. And he's old and beat up in real life. So I mean have you seen Secret Invasion. I have seen.
Speaker 3:Okay, and you still feel that way? Because I would not want a Sam Jackson show?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think he would need. He would need a hell of a supporting cast.
Speaker 3:A hell of a support, a hell of a supporting cast and, like Yoda, it better be like it, better be like uh one of them old, uh like cop shows where you know you have the two partners. One was a good cop, one was a bad cop. It would need to be like that. It would need to be like that, but with Yoda, like Yoda's, like the, you know the kind, gentle one. And then you got Mace up in there like a bad motherfucker Kick his ass. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:See, I almost think it needs to go the other way, Like I personally think, like I personally enjoyed Sam Jackson playing that role in live action. I do understand some of the criticism that you just mentioned about you know some of the line choice and things like that but I personally feel like that's more about his role as a ranking member on the council and having to hold himself back as a part of that, Whereas something like what we're talking about now, where it's after the fact, after the fall of the order, like if he's just allowed to be himself and not have to give a fuck about teaching a new generation or setting an example for the rest of, for the rest of the council and the Knights, like if he's just allowed to be unleashed his own bad-ass self.
Speaker 3:Let's fucking go, yeah, yeah, but I mean that's what they could have done with boba fett, and instead, instead of making boba fett the gangster crime lord of the galaxy, they made him governor of moss. Park in town Mos Espa yeah.
Speaker 2:Maybe he was happy doing it damn.
Speaker 3:You know, I know, but I needed him to be. He's retired, anyway. That's a different conversation, Different show Spoilers oh yeah, he should have been more badass, I agree.
Speaker 1:We'll get there. We'll get there. I've got a lot to say about that.
Speaker 2:Next topic Next topic.
Speaker 1:Next topic yes, ma'am, so LEGO Star Wars Rebuild the Galaxy is a four-part special event arriving on Disney Plus September 13th. I love LEGO Star Wars. I don't know about y'all, but I love LEGO Star Wars. It's.
Speaker 2:The game.
Speaker 1:No, they have. I mean they have Lego Star Wars. It's the game, or well, it's. No, they have. I mean they have Lego Star Wars does animated features. There's like a whole. There's the Lego holiday special. Oh you know, I mean we've seen the Lego movie, you know we've seen the Lego Batman movie and all that Hilarious.
Speaker 1:They're hilarious, there's a lot of fun, and this is I hate to say it, but I feel like in the last 10, 15 years or so, I feel like lego star wars has been like some of the best star content we've got that's my hot tape.
Speaker 2:I don't think I've watched any, so I'll have to watch it because I haven't watched any and I, to be honest, the the lego skywalker saga um video game yeah, it's pretty good is is more fun to me than outlaws well, lego games I even
Speaker 4:play those. Those are fun, I mean I think. I think it's just it's the nature of that medium, where of course, it doesn't have to be super serious, it can just be fun.
Speaker 3:And they are so funny. All the the Lego games are so funny. And they don't even speak. They don't even speak.
Speaker 2:They talk smack.
Speaker 3:I guess, before they didn't talk.
Speaker 1:The first few Star Wars video games. Yeah, nobody talked.
Speaker 4:It was like it was the best it was, but now the best it was.
Speaker 1:But now they have full voice acting. It's pretty cool. They're just fun. They're just fun to play. I'm waiting for LEGO Star Wars Outlaws to come out, and then, when that comes out, I'll be all about it. All of the cats in our house have now congregated down here in the studio.
Speaker 2:Okay, but who is fighting?
Speaker 1:So Sirius Black, he came down here, and then Minerva was down here. And for those of you that don't know, all of our cats yes, we're Star Wars fans, but all of our cats are named after Harry Potter characters. I'm a Harry Potter fan. Yeah, we also. I mean, we're Star Wars fans, but all of our cats are named after Harry Potter characters. I'm a Harry Potter fan. Yeah, we also. I mean, we're equal opportunity nerds. We love Harry Potter too, that's true. So it's Luna and Minerva who are fighting right now. Oh, so every time we do the show, Minerva wants to come down here and be with Mommy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And which bothers Luna, because she doesn't like to share you. Luna, lovegood is like no, yeah, so you are the mother of cats, just as Daenerys Targaryen is the mother of cats.
Speaker 2:Yes, sirius Black is over here too, by me, Of course he is.
Speaker 1:Alright. So moving on the fandom menace. If you're not familiar with that term, there is a group of quote-unquote influencers online. I don't even want to mention their names because I don't want to give them any extra press, but if you know, fuck off oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So fuck those people, now what they. They talk so much shit and they try to just ruin it for everybody else and then they hide behind. Oh well, this is just my opinion. What I'm not allowed to have? An opinion you're gonna and it's yes, you can have your opinion. I just said that mace windu, you know, or samuel jackson's performance of mace windu, sucked. Okay, so that's my opinion, but I'm not gonna tell tony who who liked performance. Tony, you're not a real Star Wars fan because you liked Samuel L Jackson's performance. You're scum of the earth and you should just kill yourself right now for liking that terrible performance that escalated quickly. This is what Phantom Menace does. They will tell you that you're a shill, you're a Disney sellout, that you, you are not a real fan because you like the things that they don't like. So fuck them.
Speaker 1:Yes, I just want people to form their own opinions. You know, engage with the content yourselves. We talked about my opinion of star Wars outlaws. That's my opinion, based off of the way that I game with other video games. So, louie, sherry, tony, you know our listeners. You may have different experiences. You know. You might enjoy, you know the game as it is and that's fine, but I'm not going to tell you you're not a star wars fan. You're not a real star wars gamer. If you like, star wars outlaws, or you're a piece of shit for liking it, or right, yeah. So beware the fandom menace. They are out there and they, they are legion. I would you know. I would like to say that they're a vocal minority, um, but they're, they're gaining ground because it's is that like a real title for them, or does something?
Speaker 2:no, it's not we're just coming, okay, I see yeah, yeah, that fandom menace.
Speaker 1:I don't know where that was coined. I've seen it on reddit, but it's okay. Okay, yeah, it's just, you know these groups and they, uh, they get together and they just shit on everything For being Star Wars they have no capital life.
Speaker 2:They don't and nothing else to do so but troll people yeah.
Speaker 4:Honestly, it's worse than that.
Speaker 1:It gets clicks and views. It's what makes the money.
Speaker 1:It's like the rage, the complaint content, the rage bait. You know, as a matter of fact, our, our highest rated podcast right now, episode of our podcast, was an episode that I kind of made it a little rage, baby, uh, just to see what would happen. We were talking about attack of the clones, the title of the, the episode that we did in back in june, attack of the clones plus, plus the Acolyte Wake Up and Smell the Woke. That has more listens than anything else, than any of our other shows.
Speaker 2:Because people are looking for that rage bait.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That's what sells tickets, which is horrible.
Speaker 1:It is, yeah, but that's where we are as a society.
Speaker 2:That's not a good thing, yeah Well.
Speaker 1:That's where we are as a society. That's not a good thing.
Speaker 2:That's where we are as a society, but anyway, You're right.
Speaker 4:We talked on this last time in our season finale, with the release of the trailer for the new show that's coming out, but I can't remember the name of it now.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:You mentioned this before. You're entitled to your opinion, everybody's entitled to your opinion, everybody's entitled to their opinion, and if you don't like something, it's fine to say that you don't like something.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 4:What I'm going to say is give everything an opportunity, give something a chance. If you're just going to shut your mind off to something and say, and just say flat out, this sucks, without ever giving it a fair chance.
Speaker 4:Stop calling yourself a fan because you're not right there you go. I mean, like you know this new show, like you know 90 second trailer from what I've seen of it. Okay, like I'm not particularly excited for it, but I've got nothing against it either right now as a star wars fan. Am I gonna watch it? Of course I'm gonna watch it.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna sit down, just like all those people that bitched about it. They're all gonna watch it too. They're gonna complain about it all the way to the all the way till the show comes out and they're gonna watch it, and if they love it, then they're gonna blast it all over the place that they love it and if maybe they're gonna, maybe, maybe, maybe they'll shut up.
Speaker 4:If they like it, they'll shut up, and if they hate it then they'll just get worse even if they love it, they're gonna publicly say that they hate it, because that's what's getting them clicks, views, engagement and money that's the worst part of the whole thing is like honestly, if it's your honest opinion that you don't like something, fine, I have no problem with you vocalizing that opinion. But if you're just gonna make a, you're just gonna take this viewpoint without having experienced it and set yourself in stone to it just for the clickbait, just just for that. Yeah, I mean really, really, how do you call yourself a?
Speaker 1:fan at that point and and you can't. It's like and then they blame it on Disney. It's like, okay, we'll blame it on Disney, we'll blame it on these new writers, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's like you know all the stuff that you're complaining about. George Lucas did the exact same shit. George Lucas fucked up Star Wars lore so bad, however, it's his lord. Fuck up, correct, it's his shit. If he wants to change everything tomorrow and make Luke Skywalker a woman and say that everything up to now was a dream, he can do that. He can do that. That's his shit. He can do that. He can do whatever the fuck he wants. Well, I don't know about it anymore. I don't know.
Speaker 4:Essentially with the sale. Who knows?
Speaker 1:I don't know how anymore, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Essentially with the sale. Who knows? I don't know how much we've got, but still I get what you're saying. It's his dream, not ours. We're just watching the dream, that's it. And we're either going to like it or we're not.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 4:He made the change.
Speaker 3:It's his dream. He just invited us to look at it.
Speaker 2:Right, and if it's his dream, he just invited us to to look at it right, right, and if you don't want to look at what, you don't have to watch it, right it's just like tiktok. You scroll through tiktok. If I find shit all the time on there that I'm like oh, but I don't comment, I just keep scrolling other people.
Speaker 3:Do you know other people? They have nothing else to do that.
Speaker 2:I usually try to do positive, you know stuff. But yeah, I just scroll and like I don't even read comments. Whenever I do post, I don't, yeah.
Speaker 1:The comment sections are just.
Speaker 2:I don't care what people think, it's what I want to do, you know.
Speaker 1:What is that?
Speaker 2:Is that your motorcycle, Louis? Somebody's stealing it.
Speaker 4:That's a paint shaker. Oh did you guys hear that, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1:I thought he was dissing on me.
Speaker 2:I was like oh well, fine.
Speaker 1:Louis, wait a minute.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:I'll shut up. Do you have a paint shaker? Oh yeah, well, bougie, motherfucker, it's not really a, it's not really a paint shaker.
Speaker 3:What it is is like it's shaking um what they would use in like, um, like medical, you know, to like shake like a blood vial or whatever. Yeah. So I just take the paint pot and I oh, you can't see it.
Speaker 2:Looks like a booby.
Speaker 3:And it just shakes it.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, it's a paint shaker. I mean, that's not for it, right.
Speaker 3:No, it's for like.
Speaker 1:It's for blood.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2:You want an actual little centrifuge. What are you doing? That's weird.
Speaker 1:Does it Wait, wait, wait, hold on, let me see that again. Let me, let me, please, let me see that again. Hold on a second.
Speaker 2:The hole is not big enough, so don't worry.
Speaker 1:That's what I was wondering.
Speaker 3:Maybe it's not even a hole. It's like a little indent.
Speaker 2:I'm joking.
Speaker 3:I'm joking Maybe maybe if you put your fingers.
Speaker 2:A chick could use it yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, Look at that.
Speaker 2:I'll be there in October. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, oh my God, I mean. I'm just saying yeah, we got to put this on YouTube.
Speaker 4:That person can't go on YouTube. That's got to go on the Patreon.
Speaker 3:Let's just show them this feet shaker.
Speaker 1:So, as we get ready to wrap things up now on that note, let's look ahead real quick towards season two. So we're going to be doing that. We're going to start in season two. Um, so, after getting through season one, which is a little bit rough at times, um, season two, in my opinion, really, really starts to find its feet. Uh, season two takes place 21 bby and was marketed as the rise of the bounty hunters. Oh, cool reading. Um, it aired from october 2009 to april 2010 and in this season, we're gonna get a lot more character growth, especially with ahsoka, more of ahsoka. Um, we get more clone trooper stuff. We get, we get baby boba. We get a very young Boba Fett.
Speaker 3:Baby, boba Baby.
Speaker 1:Boba Excited about that, voiced by Daniel Logan, which was great. I thought that was cool, yeah, super cool. So they bring back Daniel Logan.
Speaker 3:For those who don't know, Daniel Logan is the young boy who played Boba Fett in Attack of the Clones.
Speaker 2:Thank you for letting me know that I didn't know.
Speaker 1:Thank you, louis. So now a 35-year-old, daniel Logan, comes back to portray a 10-year-old, boba Fett. He makes it work, but his story art is very, very cool and it's so worth the watch. And my boy, cut Laquane I love Captain Rex. I love Captain Rex. We all know I love Captain Rex, but there he is. Look at how magnificent he looks. God, he's so good. I need to lose weight so I can get back into that motherfucker. Anyway, cut Laquane I'm not going to drop any spoilers, but he is, without a doubt, my favorite clone for so many reasons and we're going to get into that. He's in season two and we actually end up seeing him in the Bad Batch. He comes back in the Bad Batch too, so we get to it.
Speaker 2:Well, don't say nothing, I don't know who that is. Well, don't say that I don't know who that is. Let me meet him myself, okay.
Speaker 1:You meet Cut and you'll instantly know why he's my favorite.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:That's my boy, my boy Cut. You're my boy Blue.
Speaker 4:You're my boy Blue.
Speaker 1:Our quick word on BBY, aby. You heard me just say that it takes place 21 BBY. So the of star wars a new hope, the very first star wars film, which released in 1977. Those events are considered year zero on the timeline, so anything happening before that is bby. Before the battle of yavin which takes place in star wars, the a new hope. Anything happening after is ABY. So you'll hear us using those terms a lot. So that's what's coming up next for us and your homework, little succulents, is to watch the first four episodes of season two of the Clone Wars, and I don't think that they will disappoint at all, because the lineup for that is just so good. Like you're starting out with um Cad Bane, daddy Lou raises hand.
Speaker 2:Yes, Well, I did my.
Speaker 3:I did my homework today because I thought that it was today. Today was for today, um and uh. I just say, without saying any spoilers, that, as someone who did not really like season one of the Clone Wars, the first five minutes of episode one of season two is better than all of season one combined. That opening episode is bad ass television.
Speaker 2:All right, badass television.
Speaker 3:I liked it a lot.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen it and I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't like star Wars animation, but I liked that episode a lot.
Speaker 1:And Louie, and you have you have mentioned that before many, many times that you, you, you haven't watched a lot of the clone wars and you have you have mentioned that before many, many times you, you, you haven't watched a lot of the clone wars and you haven't watched any of rebels.
Speaker 3:I don't think you said right, because of the anime I mean just like a couple maybe random episodes here or there, nothing of significance now but a lot of people were turned off because it's like oh, it's a kids show, it's a cartoon, it's animated, it's, but yeah, it's how good. And if you watched season one of the clone wars, that's really like how it is, like it feels more like a kid's show, but I can see anymore just watching this first opening arc, like I'm like, oh okay, here we go, this is star wars tv yeah, and it just gets better.
Speaker 1:I found this, um, maybe I'll, maybe I'll throw it up on here, but I found a um, a star wars, clone wars, heat map for the seasons and um, you know, based on views, watch time, you know things like that. And it's really cool to see because as the series progresses, it gets hotter. That heat map gets hotter and hotter and hotter, and hotter.
Speaker 2:All right, don't talk about it. Don't talk about it.
Speaker 1:Season one is a little cool, a little on the cool side, but our Lord, and. Savior day. It's just a warm-up. It's just a warm-up we had to get through it.
Speaker 2:We already got through it.
Speaker 1:We got through it and we are going to be rewarded for our efforts. We got through it and we are going to be rewarded for our efforts. So the Holocron heist, cargo of doom, children of the force and Senate spy. So of course, I take it.
Speaker 3:I take it back. Senate spy is actually my favorite episode of all of clone war so far.
Speaker 1:Really, and that's a Padme. That's a Padme episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right.
Speaker 4:Well, padme episode. Yeah, we'll talk about it next time, but I also watch the episodes and, yeah, I've got a lot of positive things to say. We'll get there next week.
Speaker 1:So everyone do your homework. And also, if you need to get caught up on season one, just go ahead. Listen to uh our old episodes. That way you don't have to uh slog through it. We've already done it for you, uh, but you know, some of it's worth watching, I think. I think, overall, we said that uh, season one is uh, I don't know, it's fine.
Speaker 2:F plus c minus it's, it was, it was, it was a C solace. I mean, let's just give it minus, maybe a D plus an F plus plus plus, I'm kidding, I'm kidding all right, so that's going to do it for us.
Speaker 1:you guys got anything on the way out? Nope, all right, so we're going to do our obligatory pimping here. So, of course, check us out on all the social media which we will eventually populate soon. So that's going to be at the SWS show on all social media platforms. And, of course, please do subscribe to the podcast wherever you get podcasts or our YouTube channel. Just look up the SWS show on the YouTubes. Just look up the SWS show on the YouTubes. And if you'd like to get some merch, head on over to circleofnerdscom slash merch. And if you'd like to know what's coming up for us this season, you can check out our timeline in our show description and our roadmap for this season. That's all up on our website. Circleofnerdscom slash the SWS show. So, of course, tell your friends, tell your enemies, listen to the show, depending on which way you lean with the show. And yeah, that'll do it. So we'll see, louis, maybe we're going to play some Warhammer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Get back with me in the next day or day. Tony's like you're not going to get me again, motherfucker Warhammer was just not my jam.
Speaker 4:I am seriously considering Outlaws, but Warhammer's just never been my jam.
Speaker 3:So the cool thing with outlaws is like you don't have to do it. You know, worry about other people I mean other people right, you can go at your own pace, that's yeah it's kind of yeah, you have to worry about other motherfuckers right, you don't have to worry about Louis.
Speaker 2:Damn. We always worry about you, but that's okay, I'm still.
Speaker 1:My heart is still trying to get over the Baldur's.
Speaker 3:Gate.
Speaker 2:That was. Hey, that was a rough one. I was there for that. It was not good. Louis, kick your ass.
Speaker 1:I was on the couch, wrapped up in a blanket, drinking tea, listening to Sarah McLachlan albums.
Speaker 3:I mean we can still play Baldur's Gate. No, we can't, I still haven't.
Speaker 1:So do I. It's still sitting. I haven't even made a character yet.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I played maybe like five hours worth of it, and it might just be the fact that I was doing a solo and not with friends. I just couldn't get into it. But I'm willing to give it a shot.
Speaker 3:I think it's really like you need multiple people. You got to play with some people, yeah.
Speaker 1:So we've got to set up game times. We've got to set up game times. We've got to do that, even if it's just once a month for a nice four to six hour session. Let's do it, let's let's put it on the calendar no, I need you to put it on the calendar because yeah, it's when you're available, because we're available all the time we're available all the time and we got some shadow run coming up next year.
Speaker 3:Oh jesus all right, I'm very excited for some rgs man I am very excited.
Speaker 1:I actually I was watching um heat a few nights ago. If you like a movie, a movie. Heat, yes, terrible movie al pacino. Don't watch it. It's not worth it. There's so many better movies that there was so much star power that was wasted in that movie. It did not not age well. It was an awful movie, but it gave me lots and lots of ideas. So our first Shadowrun campaign is going to be a heist.
Speaker 4:Nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's going to be pretty fun, I gotta go.
Speaker 1:That's it. That's going to do it for us. Again, thank you guys so much for joining us, our succulents. We love you. Uh, check us out on all the things at the sws show and let us know what you want to hear. If you want to talk about more stuff, we're going to be doing a few new things this season. We're going to be doing a new little rating system, uh, for each episode and, of course, maybe start uh interjecting a little more news. If you guys want to hear more news, let us know. I thought you're gonna say a little more news. If you guys want to hear more news, let us know.
Speaker 2:I thought you were going to say a little more nudes.
Speaker 1:More nudes.
Speaker 3:We can do that too.
Speaker 2:We can do that. Just let us know.
Speaker 4:I don't think people want to see it for me, but hey.
Speaker 1:You don't know that I mean hey. You don't know. You don't know what people want to see.
Speaker 4:I'm going to make some money, so I'll make it work.
Speaker 1:Rule 34. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:What is rule 34?
Speaker 4:If it exists in the world, it exists in porn. Yep.
Speaker 1:You can think of it. It has happened. If you were to look up anything you can think of, there is adult content.
Speaker 2:That's a different show. That's a different show. That is a different show. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 3:So you think I can find a video of someone sticking a toy miniature.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Just to prove this to you, when we were talking about yaddle, please don't prove it I'm not, I won't show you, but when, when we were talking about yaddle, we had mentioned yes, I went. It didn't even take me long, no, to find yaddle in some very compromising positions. Yeah, and someone made yaddle hot like how I don't know how you do that that's gross but she was smashable, a hundred percent smashable.
Speaker 1:Christ, okay, I'm go, alright, that's it alright, thanks everyone and, as always, remember, if no one does anything nice for you, do something nice to yourself and we're gonna see. See you all next week. Bye you.
