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Bane & Babies: TCW Season 2: Ep1-4
This week we dive into Season 2 of the Clone Wars, debut our new ranking system, and only say one or two offensive things...well...maybe 3.
We also acknowledge that Cad Bane is indeed the Greatest Bounty Hunter Of All Time!
We say farewell to James Earl Jones, and remember a lesser-known Mandalorian brother, honoring their unforgettable contributions to the Star Wars universe.
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This week on Star Wars sucks. We're heisting holocrons, kidnapping babies and developing some disturbing Star Wars theories All that and more this week on Star Wars sucks. Stick around. Welcome to star wars, your non-toxic, low sodium star wars show. That doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that anthony daniels has played c-3po in 10 live action films since 1977. Wow, holy crap, that's a lot. And that's not including all the voiceover work he's done as C-3PO.
Speaker 3:So whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little Swargy curious.
Speaker 1:This is your Star Wars safe space. So we are the Circle of Nerds and we do absolutely love Star Wars, even if we don't always like it. But let's meet our cast of nerdy misfits, shall we? So, from my left to your right, it is the sensational Sherry star of stage and screen.
Speaker 2:Hello everyone.
Speaker 1:How you doing. How you doing Looking nice. I like the shirt.
Speaker 2:I have to show it. Here it goes Okay, friday 13th. Well, not really, I wear this like the shirt. I have to show it. Friday the 13th. Well, not really, I wear this all the time.
Speaker 1:Every day is Friday the 13th. In your house and from the Outer Rim Territory of Boston, it's Daddy Louie. Hello children, Daddy.
Speaker 4:Louie got a little ink today. Hello children.
Speaker 1:Daddy Louie got a little ink today yeah.
Speaker 4:Star Wars ink too. Yeah, star Wars-y ink.
Speaker 1:I don't know if we can see it, it's hard for me to hold my hand that way, huh.
Speaker 2:Once it heals up, get a better look.
Speaker 1:There you go, and hailing from parts unknown, it's t to the oni welcome back to the galaxy, everybody and you're rocking a new, a new spot. Right, you got like a whole new rig same spot, but yeah, I upgraded my gear great, that's what I'm talking about. And, of course, swooping in on upgraded my gear, that's what I'm talking about. And, of course, swooping in on the infamous Parma Flyer it's crack.
Speaker 5:Hi, folks Ready to kick tires, light fires or vice versa, who knows?
Speaker 1:Light tires and kick fires.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it Sure.
Speaker 1:I don't know. And I am Tommy D. You're more than slightly obnoxious. Star Wars it all. So what are we doing here? Well, our mission is to watch all of the canon star wars films and tv shows in chronological order, sort of we're gonna be breaking down for the most part connecting the tots and learning a little more about Star Wars and maybe even ourselves.
Speaker 1:So this week especially, we've got some things that are a little outside of the chronological order, but we're watching things in release order now that we've gotten into the Clone Wars, because if we were to start watching things in true chronological order we would be jumping around so much. It's ridiculous, because initially the Clone Wars was meant to be an anthology show and it wasn't really initially meant to be watched in any kind of chronological order, but it got so big, it got so popular that shit happens. So this week a couple of the episodes are outside of the normal chronological order, so we'll talk about that a little bit. So just to let you know, be prepared for spoilers, because there will be some. Now this week we are finally jumping into light speed and going full send on season two of the Clone Wars, starting with episodes one through four, and I'm very happy because this is when the Clone Wars really, really starts to shine One way or another. I mean, clone wars really really starts to shine one way or another. I mean it really, really starts to shine.
Speaker 1:But before we do that, uh, we have a couple of uh remembrances. So of course, um, we are going to bid a fond farewell to sir james earl jones, who passed into the force earlier this week at the age of 93. So of course he was the voice of darth vader. I mean, I mean that for us obviously that is a big deal, but, um, stage, screen, broadway, I mean, the guy was everywhere falsa, doom and conan, you know it, you know the lion king, obviously. So many great roles, um, and if you're a fan of big bang theory, he had, he had a guest spot. Big bang theory was great and it made all nerds everywhere jealous.
Speaker 4:It was like one of the best cameos in that show and that show had a lot of cameos, but his was great.
Speaker 1:His was the best, because I mean who would want to hang out and spend the day with James Earl Jones right?
Speaker 4:And then didn't they like go prank Carrie Fisher's house, like at the end of the episode? Like they ding dong ditched her, or something like that.
Speaker 2:And there's a reason for that by the way, oh, really. Apparently. Yeah, there's like an interview with James Earl Jones and obviously he was the voice, so he actually never met Carrie Fisher. So during that whole thing I mean he met, met her later on, but that was the gag, that was supposed to be the gag.
Speaker 1:So that's cool and she was like it's not funny anymore why am I?
Speaker 3:laughing why am I laughing?
Speaker 1:I love it. And then what he said later we're going to go to Tijuana. Oh well, thank you. Thank you, thank you, james, for uh, for the memories. And you know, you're a legend and you're going to you're. You're not, you're not dead, you will live forever. You are immortal, sir Um.
Speaker 1:And also we remember the passing of another Titan. This one is far less known, but he is a Mandalorian brother by the name of Remo Jade, and he and I never trooped together, but we were on the Mando Merc's approval team and the guy was probably the most helpful person I have ever met in this whole costuming thing, and he passed away in September of 2013. So every year we like to remember him. His name is on my helmet. It's been on there since he passed. So some great people, mandalor, you know, the mandalorians say they're not gone, they're just marching far away. So we like to say that for our, our lost vote. So, uh, rest well, nervad, rest well, all right, now that I've brought down the level of the room, no, no, it's just great so all right.
Speaker 1:So before we really uh dive in here, a quick note on bby aby. You're going to hear us mention these from time to time. So the events in star wars a new hope, the very first star wars film, which released in 1977, are considered year zero on the timeline. So anything happening before is bby, anything that happens after is aby. So, uh, if you didn't know, now you do so.
Speaker 1:Season two uh, the reason that I'm excited and I think I think I could safely speak for everybody else on the on the show is that it does start getting real. Um, this, uh, this season was uh referred to as the rise of the bounty hunters, and we get that like right off the bat, with episode one, cad bane being a boss. Um, cad bane, maybe this is a hot take, but I'll die on this hill. Cad bane is the greatest bounty hunter in Star Wars history, even better than Boba Fett, and I don't care, I will go to war with anyone to prove that I mean. Honestly, the first three episodes of season two just show Cad Bane being a complete and total badass, and we never, got that from Boba Fett.
Speaker 5:It was great because they finally had a villain who wasn't directly tied to an existing film, where you didn't have to worry about crossing the timeline or screwing something up. We'll talk about it later. The great thing about Cap Bane was that he could fight anybody and it was like there was no pre-existing lore to contradict. He was just there to be a mean son of a bitch.
Speaker 1:Mission accomplished, yeah, mission accomplished. So episode one Holocron Heist. We're going to dive in on that one first, of course. Now, this was released on October 2, 2009, and takes place 21 BBY. However, chronologically, it takes place just after the events of the Season 1 episode, liberty on Ryloth. So, if you don't remember, that's the episode where Mace is helping Cham Sundula to save the capital from the droid army. There was that cool light bridge, that ray shield bridge, and there was a lot of really cool stuff that happened. So this takes place just after the events of that, I mean, but it doesn't really feel like that. I don't know if it really even matters. So in this episode, we've got Ahsoka getting in trouble, cassian being the greatest bounty hunter in the galaxy. We get to see Kato Parasiti, same species changeling as poor Zam Wessel. We see Jedi Temple security same species changeling as poor Zam Wessel. We see Jedi Temple security Not at all Totally. Where the fuck is Jedi Temple? Because the Jedi Temple guards are badass. They look really cool.
Speaker 2:They're in a war. Maybe they were out fighting. No, they're in a war, maybe they were out fighting.
Speaker 1:No, they're Jedi Temple Guard. They're at the temple. That's in their title.
Speaker 2:Maybe they got re-assigned.
Speaker 1:They didn't get re-assigned. I don't know where they were. Maybe they were on their smoke break, or maybe they were drinking. Smoke them if you got them.
Speaker 5:Well, it does kind of show the Jedi were sort of built on the honor system, the whole idea that Dooku could just walk in and erase an important piece of information from their giant database, and no one even puts two and two together. Yoda kind of says it but doesn't believe Like only a Jedi could do this, or an ex-Jedi or a Jedi on the take. It was sort of beyond their thinking that a Jedi would ever go rogue on them, right.
Speaker 1:Once again, the Jedi's arrogance comes back to bite them in the ass. So let's talk about the episode. Who wants to go? Crash? You're our special guest, you go.
Speaker 5:Yeah, okay, like I said, I'm kind of a thing here, but it's. You know, the heist was a great thing in that. You know, the jedi were always sort of perceived as this insurmountable, you know force that you know to pardon upon that. They never thought, hey, somebody could come in and just rip off one of our most precious items from right under our nose, because it was just unthinkable to them. So that's why you know they don't have temple guards in a library next to where the holocrons are kept, because to them it's unthinkable. You know, like Mace Windu says in the movie about Dooku, it's not in this character. Well, that you know of.
Speaker 4:Yeah, clearly you don't know a lot about his character.
Speaker 1:But consider this though. Consider this like I. I agree with you. I agree with you like, like why? Why have the temple guards there? I mean, for what reason? No one's gonna do anything. But at this point the temple was on high alert, like alarms were going off. I mean, they knew, and even Yoda knew, that the intruders were in the building. So where were the boys? Where were they? Why were they not? That's my own, yeah.
Speaker 5:I think there's always that it's a quick plot device to have Obi-Wan and Anakin sort of one step behind the invader. You know they're like oh Cad Bane must have gone down this air duct. Well, that's a misdirection. It's like in the movies the cop chase, the cops can't catch the criminal if the criminal's meant to get away.
Speaker 1:And maybe it's because Cad Bane is a Duros. Is that his species? I think a Duros Is that his species. I think the Duros. Later on we see Ahsoka using the Force to pinpoint a baby. But these two Jedi masters can't find some Duros motherfucker running around in the vents.
Speaker 4:Apparently not.
Speaker 1:Right, apparently, not get dialed in boys, get tuned up because, uh, your force sensitivity is not tuned for cad bane. But again, maybe it's just because of his species. He was obviously not susceptible to jedi mind well, manipulation.
Speaker 5:Jedi mind manipulation. Wado's species is resistant to mind tricks. You wonder if Duros are similarly cloaked from that kind of perception.
Speaker 1:Maybe they're cloudy in the forest, sherry.
Speaker 2:Well, with that I mean, obviously, when they came together they were able to break his mind a little. He still tricked them. But I mean, yeah, they still, they still fucked them up just a little bit. So could you imagine if there was all the counsel on his brain? The jedi so yeah, so you can have a strong will, but I think they can still. I think that's tapping into the dark side, though a little bit what they did yeah, they'll well.
Speaker 1:It's interesting that you said that. It's interesting that you said that because I know mace did well. Yeah, mace, of course, but but in that scene it was very interesting because while anakin, mace and obi-wan were, you know, given bane the business, um, the, the camera does kind of like hit ahsoka and she looks concerned, like she's looking at them.
Speaker 2:She, I don't agree with what they did yeah, she was like masters.
Speaker 1:Well, I was waiting for her to say something because she she looked scared actually well, but she was getting in a lot of trouble, especially in that first episode right um, you know, she got disciplined, so and also too she maybe they thought they didn't need those guards because she was there maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1:I still think once the alarm sounded, they would have been deployed. But yeah, but the jedi temple is a big place and and you know, like, as we, as we know, they're arrogant and you know crash, like you had said. You know they, as we know they're arrogant and you know Crash, like you had said, you know they're never going to go for the holocrons. They couldn't possibly open it. So why go for the holocrons?
Speaker 2:But that's the thing too. Like you said, they just kept going in the wrong directions and it's like wait a minute, use the Force more Like to open. They were opening something I can't remember what it was and he was like oh, I can't get through here.
Speaker 1:What? Just push it like. What are you doing here?
Speaker 4:like, use the force more and again. Forced speed what the fuck is? Well, and I yeah, they used it one time they.
Speaker 1:We do see it again briefly in uh, not in another episode well, yeah, yeah but anyway, all right.
Speaker 4:Daddy Louie. So, yeah, I agree that this episode really starts to show, you know, ahsoka wanting more, um, kind of responsibility. She wants to. She wants to be helpful. You know she, she's, she's not okay, just walking around the halls doing nothing. You know she's wanting to be helpful, she's wanting to do stuff, um, and she fucks up.
Speaker 1:You know, and she at the very beginning, at the very beginning where's? Right where's ahsoka?
Speaker 4:she's on top of a walker you know, like this episode just really goes to show like she's not ready yet, right? I mean, she's still very much wet behind the ears, um, and I think you see that more um in the next two episodes as well, but we can talk about those later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, agreed.
Speaker 3:Tony. So I agree with a lot of what's been said, especially Ahsoka's reaction to Mace and Obi and Anakin trying to rip open Kaz's mind. To me this was the kind of thing that was like the okay, yeah, this is a very morally fucked up thing y'all are doing. But I mean, I get it but at the same time this type of thing. It's not a shock why Ahsoka ended up doing what she did, but we won't go into that for spoilers.
Speaker 4:Well, I think it's in the next episode too, tony, where it's a good point that you make not to interrupt you, but, um, and we see that exact same thing in, like, the next episode what exactly what you just said where Ahsoka is like questioning, like why are she's seeing how the jedi get to seem to like pick and choose when they want to be good versus when they want to bend the rules? Right, like they're, like they bend the rule they're starting to, you're starting to see that they're doing things that, if you're following by the book, like, even like, if you're yoda, right, like I don't, I don't remember. Did yoda know about that? Did he know? Was he in on all that?
Speaker 2:they never mentioned that yeah, they never mentioned.
Speaker 4:So, for all we know, yoda didn't know about that, right. So these are things that are happening behind the scenes that maybe some of the Jedi, who are much more by the book, might be less inclined to be OK with.
Speaker 1:Yeah All right, that's good stuff, all right. So let's, let's, let's rate the episode. I don't know what do you guys want to do Blasters thermal detonators. I don the episode. What do you guys want to do? Blasters Thermal detonators? I don't know. What kind of system do you guys want to use for this? What do you think what's good? Three of them, four of them, five. So we'll do five midichlorians, right? Is that a good rate?
Speaker 4:Sure.
Speaker 1:So Crash, how many midichlorians are you giving this episode?
Speaker 5:I'm going to say four is. It was a solid start to the scene I'm going to get in. I'd like the next episode a little better and I'll explain why. But as a starting gun this was a great jump into the again, with the whole theme of the bounty hunters taking the precedent. This was a great let's go kind of moment.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. All right, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 3:Tony. So I'm going to preface this by saying that for a lot of my ratings it's going to depend on the episode but also the arc that the episode's a part of, because, like I mean this episode, you know, like with the next two, it's all one story and I can't really grade it just on one part of it. That being said, I would probably say this episode's probably three and three quarters.
Speaker 1:And I'll probably bump that up to four because I like the overall arc. Yeah, don't give me fractions, man, I just have hazard. That's as low as I'll go. So you want to give it a four? Yeah, I'll give it a four. Or many chlorines, okay?
Speaker 4:Louie, if we can do half, some going four and a half. All right we're going to do four points. This was of the three episodes in this arc. This was my favorite.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, that's fair, sherry. What about you?
Speaker 2:Sorry.
Speaker 1:It's okay.
Speaker 2:It's saying I'm losing power on the laptop. Okay.
Speaker 1:Uh-oh, oh dear, was it not plugged in?
Speaker 2:It is plugged in. I don't know what's happening. Okay, technical difficulties, but I'm going to say a four. All right, yeah, because it did have a good start.
Speaker 1:It did, I agree, I agree, and I think I'm also going to give it a 4.5. I thought it was really good. It's a really good episode and a really solid start. All right, so and I'll do the math on the averages later, I don't know. All right, next episode Cargo of Doom, released October 2nd, also 2009.
Speaker 1:And this is the first official episode that actually belongs in season two and takes place uh 21 bby as well. So in this one, of course, we've got our first, our first, uh, honoree, I guess, for the wall of remembrance. Hollow, hollow trooper. Uh, he was the guy that called in and they were. They were talking to a clone trooper in the field. He was doing his, he was fighting off the droids and then one got up behind him and, like on camera, just broke his neck. He went out screaming Poor guy. So, holo trooper, thoughts and prayers. You're going on a t-shirt. You will not be forgotten.
Speaker 1:In this episode, we're seeing more of Anakin's fear of loss. We're seeing, we're seeing how love is love. We've talked about this before in season one. Um, uh, about Anakin's love, how Anakin's love is what ultimately brings him to the dark side. But we're seeing how his love is an exploitable weakness. Uh, because cad bane used that against him. Uh, in order to get, uh, what he wants. Also, we're seeing in this episode cad bane being a complete and total fucking boss uh, again, the greatest bounty hunter in the history of star wars. And we see anakin's balls out crazy battle tactics. Because what the fuck? He looked around. He was like I got a plan. He didn't have a plan. He had no plan until he got in a hangar and admiral yoran was like what's the plan? He's looking around? Oh, you know what? Fire up those walkers, let's go, boys that boys, that was the plan.
Speaker 2:All right, I think that was genius he has a concept of a plan.
Speaker 1:He has a concept of a plan. Oh my God, Getting a little political.
Speaker 2:That's how you gotta live life. Sometimes A concept of a plan.
Speaker 1:All right, Sherry, you go first on this one. What do you think about this episode?
Speaker 2:No, I really like this episode. Yeah, when he said about the walkers, I was cracking up but I thought it was genius and it actually worked out great. I mean until the shit blew up. But other than that, no, I liked it. But it does suck. That Cad Bane, you know, tricked ahsoka and he used it against anakin. But and how does he even know that, like he didn't know that was anakin, like that he didn't know that was the jedi coming after him, um, so I'm I'm curious about that. You know, did palpatine, you know, like kind of inform him about things or what you know?
Speaker 1:um, he did see them like when they were, when they were on the outside of the ship fighting um, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just feel like I don't know.
Speaker 3:I think he's always a step ahead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he is he's always a step ahead and, um, that's what makes him so genius. I do agree with you. I think he is the best bounty hunter, um, that I've seen so far, especially as a noob I mean, I'm not a noob, but you know, um, and the troopers did their best to try to, you know, get everybody out of there. But, um, I think the one part where all the what is it? The bombs that were?
Speaker 2:shells, holy crap I was like oh my god, no way. Um so, and then it was genius, how cad bane escaped, holy crap. I was like oh my God, no way.
Speaker 1:And then it was genius how Cad Bane escaped. Yeah, that's in the next one, that's in the next one.
Speaker 2:How was that one?
Speaker 1:Oh, my God, there were so many we watched today. Yeah, it was at the end of this episode, you know. And then the reveal comes, yeah that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right. But again, Cad B campaign gives zero fucks zero fucks but I also said we were talking about this. Um, to be honest, I think if they would have offered him more money, he would have went with them. I don't feel that he's on the side of anybody. He's on his side. So he's about the money, because he kept saying that I better get my money.
Speaker 3:I better get my money, um, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I, to be honest, the jedi, could have probably just offered him some, some money, some credits, um, and he would have given back because he has no loyalties.
Speaker 1:He's just like whoever's paying me, like but you know that goes against the jedi brand.
Speaker 2:They can't be seen hiring bounty hunters not, they're hiring him, I'm saying to buy back the holocron. Just be like dude, we'll give you more and a ship like oh oh yeah that's a good idea. Yeah, I'm not saying to hire him for well, I mean what's your employer paying? You will double it right like this, come on that's.
Speaker 1:That's a fucking genius idea well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:They're not utilizing, they're not thinking. All they're thinking of is war, war, war. We got to fight this guy. What are you doing? He said how many times? Well, as long as I get paid, I don't care, I don't have a loyalty. He even said that he did I don't care, I don't have a loyalty.
Speaker 3:He even said that he did. He said that, but he didn't say that to Jedi.
Speaker 2:No, but still I mean.
Speaker 1:Whoever's giving him credits.
Speaker 2:Well, and Yoda can sense him. So I mean Obviously Right. So if you can sense him, you kind of sense where he's at Like, his loyalties, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:Sure, his loyalties are with that bank account.
Speaker 2:Right, he didn't care about any of that shit.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:He destroyed his own droid, for God's sake.
Speaker 1:Oh man Toto.
Speaker 2:He killed Toto for no reason. Well there was a reason, but that's fucked up.
Speaker 1:You know what. He might have to go on the wall of remembrance too. I'm going to add him to the wall of remembrance.
Speaker 4:He didn't have to do Toto like that. Toto didn't do nothing to him.
Speaker 2:Toto was a good droid, evil or not, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:He was just doing his job. He was like what do you want me to do, boss? But he's like I'm not a butler droid. He had some sass he did, but he had skills.
Speaker 2:He had some skills and Cad Bane was like I don't care.
Speaker 1:Ruthless. I mean, cad is just ruthless. Not ruthless with a T-H, but with an F? Ruthless. No Ruforous Roof with an F? Ruthless. Straight up Daddy Louie. Useless. Straight up daddy louis.
Speaker 2:Oh wait, sherry, uh rate this one um, you know, really I'm gonna give this one a five.
Speaker 1:There was a lot of action five midichlorians all right, I like the action, I like all that there were some successful moments the fight, the fight in the um, the uh, the, the artillery battery room where the ground went off for a second. That was really cool.
Speaker 2:I mean again cad bane being a fucking boss and ahsoka kicked handling her chair I mean, I think they actually did better floating around ahsoka continues. Ahsoka continues to handle her shit she's. They underestimate her. I mean, yeah, granted, she got tricked, but every I think all the um, all the bounty hunters and things like that they just see this youngling right like you can't do shit. I mean, she still kicked cabbing's ass she did I mean, let's, let's put that out there. She did kick his ass.
Speaker 1:I mean, he got her, but still but like like rex said in the movie, you know, experience outranks everything and cad has more experience than her, so he was able to pull out. You know, he played some dirty pool and he was able to get her, but you're absolutely right. But I mean she laid hands I mean she whooped ass, um, but she made some rookie mistakes. She still went behind the Liku a little bit. She'll get there, daddy Louie, what do you think?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I agree with a lot of what. First, I want to say that I agree about Cad Bane being the best bounty hunter. I haven't seen all the bounty hunters, but of the bounty hunters that I've seen I mean as someone who hasn't seen rebels and all of clone wars really the only bounty hunters that I have to go off of are the live action bounty hunters, and Cad Bane wrecks all of them. So I mean, boba Fett had the chance to be a bad-ass and then Disney don't fucked it up.
Speaker 4:Um, so Disney didn boba fett had the chance to be a badass. And then disney, don't fucked it up, um.
Speaker 1:So disney didn't do that I, you know what I somebody did somebody, somebody did it but this does not. We're not seeing boba fett and his prime anymore in his prime. Yes, badass, motherfucker. Sure, yes, but we're seeing, like you know, retired boba fett you know I don't want retired.
Speaker 4:That's not the show I wanted. It wasn't called the book of retired boba like fat boba. It's not the book of fat boba like mr fett, right, I mean instead of being the gangster of the galaxy. He's like the mayor of Tinkertown, Like come on.
Speaker 2:The mayor of Tinkertown.
Speaker 4:Shout out to Cad Bane for never. Well, I know how his story ends.
Speaker 1:Do you, do we? We don't know how it ends, not really.
Speaker 4:We have a pretty good idea. Well, we saw Then again in Star Wars, nothing is. I mean, that's just how Star.
Speaker 1:Wars is Well, remember, spoiler alert. But everyone listening to the show is going to forget by the time we get there, because we've got a long way to go before we get to the Book of Boba Fett. But remember, at the end of the Book of Boba Fett, you know there was that. I think it was a post-credit sequence where they show Cad Bane's little light start beeping again. I don't know.
Speaker 4:Oh, I may not have seen that. Oh, I do remember that I may not have seen that. If it's a post-credit scene I may not have seen, I may have missed it?
Speaker 1:I think it might have been and they kind of like show you know how everybody, everybody in Star Wars, has got some kind of fucking greebly on him somewhere with a light on it. Nobody knows what it's for. They showed Cad Bane and on his chest it was like boop, boop, boop. So he's not dead, cad's coming back. Cad's coming back. I thought the post credit scene was the.
Speaker 5:I thought the post credit scene was the guy fixing Cobb Van Remember the back to tank. Wasn't that the post-credit?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right, you're right, You're right, but that Cad Bane sequence was somewhere else. I mean I don't remember exactly where it was. No, you're right, but that Cad Bane, I thought that was a post-credit for one of the episodes. I don't remember, we'll look back into it, but that was. Unless it was like immediately after.
Speaker 1:I don't know, we'll buy it, but it was, it happened it might have been the last shot before they cut away yeah, maybe that's what it was, but it was somewhere, it was at the end and louie missed it, so it must have been more tucked away well, I was just I was.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we'll talk about that when it comes up but I wasn't a giant fan of that show, so why you?
Speaker 1:the tail end, I probably was starting to fall off you love power rangers and there was some power ranger themes, it anyway, okay, we're not gonna, we won't get into it, okay. So anyway, episode two here. Cargo of doom four giving it a four. All right, all right, a four. It is um t to the oni. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3:So this of these three was my favorite. Again just action-packed, Again a lot of subtle hints towards, but building that theme of the moral grayness that the Jedi seem to have from time to time. But all in all, a fun episode. I gave this one a four and a half. All right, All right, 4.5.
Speaker 1:All righty, All righty Crash. What are your thoughts on this episode?
Speaker 5:Well, I'm going to go with my score. First'm gonna say five necroreans this baby cooked I love. Just like the end of season one we ended with some serious clone action. I love how this episode we got back to not just clones and battle droids, just going nuts, but like we've talked about anakin and using a tank as a space vehicle. I it has that. Remember that scene in a team where they try to fly a tank by shooting the cannon to move it I love try they succeed.
Speaker 5:I love, yeah, I love the. The idea of using a land vehicle as something else that it wasn't designed for, just total gangster move by anakin. But I especially love this, the scene in the armory in the, in the, on the trade federation ship, the zero gravity fighting, oh yeah. So yeah, ahsoka being the you know bane diversion, very 60, 60s Batman, every time the clones, every time those shells were going up you almost want to see a bow bang. But also the fact that the sidekick gets used as a diversion. I'm like, wow, that is totally. I'm glad they started showing Anakin and Ahsoka on missions together.
Speaker 5:In season one there were times where the two of them were separate. In season one there were times where the two of them were separate. I'm like you're a master and a president. This has to be Batman and Robin. And yes, robin gets in trouble sometimes and gets lured in by the villain and puts Batman in a. Do I sacrifice my sidekick or do I get the bad guy? I thought that was great adventure storytelling that kids could kind of get into. Sidekick or do I get the bad guy? I thought that was great adventure storytelling that kids could kind of get into. Good old-fashioned pow-bang action on a cartoon.
Speaker 4:Like I said, five binocular inches. Very good, very good analogy. I like that.
Speaker 3:That's a good analogy, but this is another podcast. But the only problem with that analogy is Batman would just say I got another one at home, it's fine.
Speaker 2:Oh, too soon, too soon.
Speaker 4:Poor.
Speaker 1:Dick, poor, dick, poor little Dick.
Speaker 3:I was actually going to say poor Jason, but okay.
Speaker 4:I mean, dick was the first one in first one out.
Speaker 1:He usually is.
Speaker 4:He was like I'm fucking done with this shit. We didn't die. Well, that's true.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true, he didn't die.
Speaker 4:I mean technically Jason. Well, did Jason actually die, or like was he dead and then resurrected by gotcha?
Speaker 1:I didn't know if he died or if he was like critically wounded and then healed because it didn't, didn't the joker beat him to death with a, with a hammer or crowbars? Yeah?
Speaker 3:but it's a fanned vote, by the way right, but also in what timeline too.
Speaker 1:I mean, which earth was it on? Was it that was before the new 52 came out? And it's just like no, no, it's like fucking whatever time travel, I can't do too much, too much, all right, so.
Speaker 1:so for that episode I'm giving it um a 4.5 I I agree with everything that you guys said. There was great moments, a lot of suspense. I like seeing the personal, the individual growth and the team growth between Ahsoka and Anakin. I love seeing their relationship evolve and grow stronger. He really has a hard time staying mad at her, you know, even when she's fucking up, but she's fucking up based on his teachings. She just wants to make him proud and she's also, like you guys have said too, she's also starting to really open her eyes to the, to the Jedi council.
Speaker 2:Well, she actually even yelled at him.
Speaker 1:She did.
Speaker 2:Patience.
Speaker 1:She did.
Speaker 2:Like, what are you doing? And she's the Padawan.
Speaker 1:I love that scene.
Speaker 2:And his face was like You're right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she is the perfect counterbalance because he was so emotional. He has so much emotion. He has so much rage and anger.
Speaker 2:I think if he would not this is sad saying this, because I actually like padme and their kind of love story obviously, um, but if that wouldn't have happened, I think him and um they wouldn't got together but they're, they would have balanced the force correctly. I think him and Ahsoka together.
Speaker 5:I could see that as like she would have been the counterpoint that would have canceled Palpatine.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I think that would have been his turning point if Ahsoka had been in the picture.
Speaker 1:But if you've got the whole Sith, the rule of two, they would have been the perfect two to counter me.
Speaker 2:I don't see her doing that rule, going to the dark side.
Speaker 1:No, I don't mean that you still have the rule of two. You'd have the two Sith, but then you've got Anakin and Ahsoka to battle those two Sith. I think that would have been a really good balance, because Anakin and Ahsoka balance each other and then together they could have balanced the Force. But again it's powerful.
Speaker 2:It's like he loves her, but it's not the kind of love that he has for his wife.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just saying Sure, not a romantic.
Speaker 2:I don't know, they have the perfect.
Speaker 1:I feel like Ah soka is the one that he's able to save like he does, but without feeling like he has to save and protect padme, because no matter how badass padme is, because he is in love with her, he is always going to see her as someone that needs protection because he is so afraid to lose her. But he knows that Ahsoka is really a badass who can handle herself. But that underlying fear of loss is still there because Anakin has such a big heart, he is so full of love that and everybody uses that love against him, including the Jedi.
Speaker 5:She's the little sister that could keep up with him, as opposed to a love interest like Padme.
Speaker 1:Right, yep, exactly. And, sherry, like you had said too, she was the one that stopped him Cold Dead in his tracks.
Speaker 2:Oh, because he was Fuck it. He would have died.
Speaker 1:He would have died. The ship was going to blow up, he would have fucking been dead. So she saved his life again. So next episode, children of the Force Another really good episode. All four of these episodes are just bangers. What a hell of a way to start a season. Uh, october 9th 2009 takes place 21, bby um, and it also takes place before the events of episode 17 of season 2. So once we get up to episode 17, remember that the events of episode 3 take place before this episode, which is called bounty hunters. So our wall of remembrance, thoughts and prayers to Denal, who, cad Bane, dressed up and shot in the fucking face and assumed his identity. What a dick. And for those of us who have have been involved in costuming, I just want to know how the fuck he was able to get that when it wasn't size, I told him.
Speaker 2:I was like how did he do without a?
Speaker 1:handler right who helped him into that shit. Like, how did he get that shit? I mean, the body suit alone takes me like 10 minutes to squeeze into, and then the armor is like 15 to 20 minutes. It's that's why I like being in my tie pilot man. I can just zip that fucker up, put the helmet on and I'm out the door. But getting into rex, what the hell. And? And he? Not only did he have time to dress himself in clone trooper armor, but he also had had time to kill the other clones and dress Denial up as Cad Bane. Yeah, get the fuck out of here. I'm not buying it. If he was a Jedi, I'd say he used the force, but no, you can't.
Speaker 1:Maybe he's got some force man I'm not buying it, so this episode gets a negative four.
Speaker 1:No, just for that alone. So anyway, no, no, no. So in this episode we've got some really cool details that you may not have picked up. There's a really cool scene after Bane gets away, where Anakin just crosses his arms behind his back, turns around and walks slowly away Very reminiscent.
Speaker 1:That's the Vader disappointment walk that we have seen more than once. Actually, the first time we see it is when the Falcon jumps to light speed and gets away from him and he just turns around, puts his hands behind his back and walks away. So seeing that was very, very cool. I like that a lot. There was a cool indiana jones moment I don't know if you guys picked up on that when I did not when mace and obi-wan were leaving, when they were escaping campaign's lair and the door was closing. Mace, like you know, under the door but he drops his lightsaber and the door is closing and at the last second he grabs his lightsaber, just like Indiana Jones grabbed his hat. So I thought I don't know if that was intentional, but I'm going to say it, but it brought a smile to your face it brought a smile to my face and, knowing how Dave Filoni is, that he's one of us, I really believe that that was intentional.
Speaker 5:Who lives in a fedora.
Speaker 1:Who lives in a fedora right. So also this episode, bane continues to be the absolute best bounty hunter and is always one step ahead of the Jedi. Palpatine is consistently in a win-win situation, no matter what we see Darth Sidious, which I thought was interesting he was alluding to the idea of the Emperor's Hand and if you're familiar with the old Legends stories, the EU stories, mara Jade, palpatine had this army of dark force side, dark force wielders, um, that he would use as spies, and they were. They were connected through the force, so whatever they would see and think and feel, palpatine could get that back to him through the force. Mara jade was one of what was like was probably the best of the Emperor's Hands agents and it was interesting that when all these babies were on Mustafar and Palpatine was talking about how he's going to use these children and indoctrinate them into the dark side and use them as spies, that was a really cool nod to the Emperor's Hand.
Speaker 2:And I don't think we see any more of that that well, did you see that they are using?
Speaker 1:a hand to put on their faces, to yeah that, that thing, that like comes down. It looked like a hand so I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, um. And then, of course, now we've also got, you know, the desire to kill babies. Yeah, what the fuck, they're going well, gotta dispose of them, and it's funny, sherry, you brought this up while we were watching. It's ironic because you said that the babies that Anakin and Ahsoka saved could very well be the same babies that Anakin.
Speaker 1:Spoiler alert they would die in a few years, they would have been about the right age. I mean it's like a couple years down the road, yikes.
Speaker 3:There's too many of them.
Speaker 4:What are we going to do?
Speaker 1:What I want to do now is I want to go back and look at that scene and see if any of those kids in the background look like because it was a Rodian and I think whatever species Kit Fisto is I think it looked like I don't know what Kit Fisto is.
Speaker 4:I would not be surprised if dave pulled one of the images of one of the kids in the live action and put them in the animated so kit fisto is a nautilin, um, which makes sense.
Speaker 1:So if, if we look at that scene and there's a rhodian and a nautilin back there, dave, that's sick, it's just twisted.
Speaker 2:Well, you know. You know, but that's the first thing I thought of when he saved the baby. I was like, oh well.
Speaker 1:That is you sick bastard. That was the first thing you said. It's like oh man, these are probably the babies that he kills later on.
Speaker 2:Sorry about that.
Speaker 1:No, you're not. So much for a reprieve as a stay of execution, All right.
Speaker 5:Crash. What are your thoughts on this episode? Yeah, yeah, you were. This was kind of a miss for me. I'm going to say three, like just because the plot line was good. The overall arc worked fine, but there was just sort of this hang-up for me. I know Mustafar is a very scary-looking planet, but there's part of me that thinks somewhere along the line is Darth Vader sitting in his castle on Mustafar, going motherfucker. Remember that time they sold the babies on Mustafar and then Palpatine sent me to get the Separatists on Mustafar. Was Palpatine screwing with me back then? Like my car got stolen. I'll drive to the same neighborhood and my car gets stolen again. Mustafar's a bad neighborhood and for some reason, anakin just kind of go back on the lava planet like I can't imagine the whole time like rescue. You know, again kat bane pulled off the creepiest looking jedi I've ever seen. You know when he's waiting for the mom coming in. You know he's got the robe on and he's like I'm a Jedi. Yeah yeah, where's the white windowless van? I am not buying this bullshit.
Speaker 1:But I don't know what. Maybe he goes, maybe he sets up, cause I know like in in the EU he's on a planet called the jun, but then I think the the actual, like the canon he's.
Speaker 5:He's on mustafar with his palace, but yeah, maybe the new canon has him on mustafar. There's something about the I haven't read the darth vader comic, but there's something about it was supposed to help enhance his ability to generate save padme, that whole thing. But so it is Mustafar, and I'm like that's the third time you've been on this damn planet and you haven't put two and two together.
Speaker 3:He's got a lot on his mind.
Speaker 4:Look man, slave boy didn't grow up with no education.
Speaker 1:My dude's got a lot on his mind, man yeah ass.
Speaker 2:I mean that's.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know. He got his cocktail wingy burn off. He's not thinking about ass anymore.
Speaker 2:Oh, when he's Vader. Oh well, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when he's Vader, yeah, he's not thinking about ass.
Speaker 3:This points in the storyline.
Speaker 5:Like fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you.
Speaker 2:It is Holy shit, it is Okay, that's funny.
Speaker 1:That's the same place. That's the same place. Crash anything else about this episode that did it for you or didn't do it for you?
Speaker 5:Well, it did it for me in the sense that it played great. The Palpatine is not even there. He was sort of interacting with the children via hologram because he can't get away, he can't just up. Oh, I got to go to my secret lab to experiment on children, so I'll just menace over them via hologram. But it was a very creepy visual and it kind of played into the horror vibe of the theme of that episode.
Speaker 1:Oh, definitely, definitely. And again, you know, like we said, we said cad bane one step ahead. But I but also it's like with cad bane is like is that the only thing that you need is a robe to convince people you're a jedi? It's like the superman thing, like just put on some glasses and just cad bane's the only one that can do that, though no, so jar jar banks too in season one, when they jedi jedi jar jar oh, that's true remember jedi master bombad that episode.
Speaker 1:He had a fucking, he had anakin's cloak on and they're like oh look, it's a jedi.
Speaker 4:So I guess that's all you can just go down to the local uh salvation army, get yourself a jedi robe and you can do anything you want, basically Apparently.
Speaker 5:Cad Bane swings by Spirit. Halloween gets him a cheap Jedi robe and off he goes.
Speaker 1:Off, he goes, that's it, and he's convincing these young mothers to take their babies. It's like come on, come on, be better, be better.
Speaker 2:What's all the dance to these babies is my question. Where's the fathers of these babies? Are they all? Just? They're not all midichlorian babies, so what they're out doing?
Speaker 1:stuff. They're at work.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 4:Who went to get the milk they gotta bring home the bread.
Speaker 2:It's like all the force.
Speaker 1:You went out to get cigarettes.
Speaker 4:Then come back, daddy Lou, your thoughts on this episode yeah, I mean I kind of agree with with crash a little bit. Um, the the scenes with cad bane, all of them are great. Um, yeah, I mean there's not. I'm trying to think back on the episode and there's really nothing compared to the first two episodes. There's really nothing Compared to the first two episodes. There's really nothing that happens in the third episode.
Speaker 4:That makes me go oh yeah, you know, like there was this super cool moment when it was just an okay episode. It was a nice way to close out the arc. Everything that Cad Bane does is, like you said, badass, I don't, yeah, badass I don't know, yeah three. I think three. Three, all right I don't really have any takeaways on that one.
Speaker 1:Fair enough, tony.
Speaker 5:That's all he has to say about that.
Speaker 3:I'll start with my score, and, yeah, probably three and a half for me. The one thing that I will say with this is that, after the moral grayness that we saw from the previous episodes, this episode does a very good job of redefining the. Yeah, these are the fucking bad guys, because not only did we just do all this other shit that we've done done, now we are kidnapping children to perform experiments on them. Like, yeah, we have definitely defining you're the bad guy, there's no question. The other thing for me like, you know, how do you get construction crews to go work on Mustafar man? Because, like, this is the second time that I've experienced that they build shit on this plant and then just go. Oh, I'm just going to flip the switch here and everything's going to fall apart.
Speaker 1:It's droids. Yeah, they send droids to do it.
Speaker 2:They just program droids to do it and then throw them in the fire or in the lava.
Speaker 1:They don't care. Those poor droids. Those droids are like wait, what when Palpatine would sink it? It'd turn off the gravity and sink it.
Speaker 2:Wait what. Okay, well, they went for it.
Speaker 1:What that one nanny droid was like, excuse me, sir. And then, of course, palpatine Do it, just do it.
Speaker 3:Just get it done.
Speaker 1:Alright. So you said Tony, you're giving her a three huh or 3.5. 3.5, you said.
Speaker 3:I'm not telling you 3.5?.
Speaker 1:Alright, Sherry, what say you?
Speaker 2:I'm going to say a three as well.
Speaker 1:You gave it a three as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah so what are your thoughts about the other thing?
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't know. I like that. It ended the arc Like Louie said. I thought that was. You know it was a good tie up for everything. I don't know. I think my biggest thing is damn just kidnapping babies it ain't no big deal and then killing them, yeah.
Speaker 1:What was it that Sidious said too? He said, if they don't make it, it's no loss to me or something like that.
Speaker 2:He didn't say something like that. Yes, and that's when the droid was like damn, like what?
Speaker 1:And then there was a point where I thought Cad Bane had a conscience for a second and he was like oh it's, you know kidnapping babies. That's a little bit new to you, isn't it.
Speaker 2:And then he was like I don't care, as long as I get paid Again it's all about the money for him. But you know what, though, talking about the morality of these droids, I mean they're supposed to be like, I'm assuming, like some kind of nanny droid, but they're evil nanny droids, because I mean you're putting these. I mean she was like yeah, I don't on younglings. You know this young, I don't know if they're going to survive the surgery survive the surgery and I'm like what, what are they doing?
Speaker 2:and so you know, putting this burning hand on baby's face, like what the fuck I mean they're?
Speaker 1:they're programmed to do what they're programmed to do I guess.
Speaker 2:But some of them, yeah, listen, watching star wars over all these years. These motherfuckers have some kind of conscience, because they do make decisions. They do, I mean well, they do have.
Speaker 1:They do seem to have a sense of self-preservation oh, yeah, well, yeah of course most of them do so. Thoughts and prayers again for toto. But then the nanny droids that questioned palpatine, like only for a second we don't want to drop into the lava, the lava sea we, but they still did it, yeah they still did it.
Speaker 2:You're absolutely right you know, I, I, what's the one I like ig88.
Speaker 1:He wouldn't have done it, maybe like fuck you dude well, because I but he got reprogrammed, though I mean he got, but also he was autonomous, he was. You know, ig88 was a you know well, in the mandalore, the one I'm thinking of was ig11 ig11 ig11 in the mandalorian. But but ig88, yeah, he was, he was, I actually read about him yeah.
Speaker 1:He became the Death Star. How fucking cool is that? Yeah, he uploaded himself and became the Death Star. And then Luke's like, hey, I'm going to shoot my torpedo. And then that was it. So just as IG-88 was coming online, here comes fucking farm boy Luke fucking up all his plans. I'm actually going to give this a second Death Star? I thought it was the first one it would have had to have been the second.
Speaker 4:He was talking about picking off the Rebel ships.
Speaker 1:He was picking off the Rebel ships. Yeah, that's not canon anymore, anyway, that's Legends. Now I'm giving this one a four. I really liked it. I thought that the scene where they were trying to save the babies as the facility was going down, that was a bit of a nail biter. I mean I wasn't expecting to see babies getting roasted alive, but it was still a bit of a nail biter. I mean I wasn't expecting to see babies getting roasted alive, but it was still a bit of a nail biter. It was Right. I mean, at one point I looked over at Sherry. She had her hand. She was like oh she's my god. She was concerned, concerned for these babies, because those babies were cute.
Speaker 2:Of course they are, of course are I would, I would have all those babies. They're so.
Speaker 1:I know you wouldn't, I know so I'm giving this one a four. Um, it was. And because it was those, those nods, it was those little detail nods, the the disappointed vader turn, the indiana jones moment, those little things and I'm sure there's other easter eggs in there that I completely overlooked, but those are the two that jumped out at me and I so, yeah, I liked that. All right. So our last episode of the show, episode four, the senate spy, release date october 16th 2009, takes place 21 bby and, again chronologically, it takes place before episode 19 of season 2. So when we get to episode 19, the Zillow Beast strikes back, this takes place before that. So if there's any kind of weirdness, you'll know where it came from. So in this one we see Anakin and Padme trying to get a little mommy-daddy time, and then the Jedi are complete cock blockers.
Speaker 2:He was with her all night.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't. I think they ate dinner, because they were still like even Obi.
Speaker 4:Even Obi Wan was like. I've been trying to get a hold of him all night when is he? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:At one point they show the camera zoomed in on Obi Wan's face. He's like and then, of course, we do see, uh, the jedi using anakin's emotions again to get what they want out of him because they know that he is close with padme. And then, once padme goes to the council, mace like, literally, is just trying to pimp padme out. And he was like, you know, do whatever you can to get close to Clovis. And he was like, yeah, do whatever you got to do, baby, just make daddy that money. Info. We need that information. So, daddy Lou, you had you had requested to go first on this one because you said that this was your favorite episode.
Speaker 5:Tell us why it is.
Speaker 1:And I'm thinking I'm going to go out.
Speaker 4:I mean, you just ruined half of what I was thinking but you just gave all the spoilers.
Speaker 1:But you can elaborate, you can elaborate. Those are just things. My thing was the thick-ass droids.
Speaker 4:Okay let him talk. Oh, but see, that wasn't even what I was thinking about.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's what I was thinking about the whole time. I was like there, okay go ahead.
Speaker 4:So while I was watching this episode, I just in my brain noticed a lot of parallels to 90s adult films, where you have one female actress who is like your main character, right, she's like in every scene, throughout the entire movie, right? So you know, obviously your first scene is with your husband in, you know the back alley because they need to be hidden. And then you move on to the next scene and now there's Padme striking up with an old fling, right? So? So then that's your second scene. Then in your third scene, all of a sudden here, anakin in his uh, guard I guess he was dressed like a guard, right. So a little bit of cosplay, a little bit of, uh, a little bit of role play there, right? Um, I think there's also a scene in the future, uh, later on in the episode, where padme gets roofied in a room full of other male species. So she's roofied in the middle of a room with a bunch of gentlemen. So that's your, you know, like your fourth scene, whatever, and then I mean that's really like the main parts, you know, it kind of fizzles out after that as far as the adult film innuendos, unless Tony can think of anything that I'm missing, because I can see by the look on his face that he was thinking very similar things to what I was. But yeah, the whole time I'm like, oh, ok, so.
Speaker 4:So this scene is the scene where she gets where she hooks up with the with the ex-boyfriend. Scene is the scene where she gets where she hooks up with the with the ex-boyfriend. Okay, next scene oh, there's anakin, he's in like something. Maybe there's a three-way that goes, goes on ex-boyfriend, you know, ex-boyfriend, and hubby in cosplay, right? Ex-boyfriend doesn't know it's hubby. So there's a little bit of you know, just the tip going on there. Um, just the, just the lightsabers, yeah. And then she gets roofied, like I said, in a room full of other male species, because I think there was like aliens in the room and stuff too.
Speaker 1:I don't think that there were, yeah, there were Neimoidians there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I mean, what were they doing with her when she was roofied in the middle of their meeting? I don't know.
Speaker 3:She was poisoned when she was roofied in the middle of their meeting. I don't know she was poisoned as opposed to roofied. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, whatever, whatever, same effect. And then, yeah, and then your final scene is you know her laying in a hospital bed recovering, and everybody leaves the room and you think the movie's over with. And all of a sudden you see the door open but you can't see who walked in the door because he's short by the bed and you hear a mm.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 4:And then it goes to credits.
Speaker 1:I found this 90s porn music. It's called Cramming for College.
Speaker 4:Were we supposed to hear it?
Speaker 1:Oh, you don't hear it. No, we can't. We're all just sitting there like Can you hear it now? No, we're all just sitting there. Like Do you hear?
Speaker 2:it now.
Speaker 1:No no.
Speaker 2:Absolutely not. You hear it now Nothing?
Speaker 1:No, all right, it'll be in post.
Speaker 3:I honestly wasn't thinking along those lines. That being said, as you discussed it, I did come up with one that you missed.
Speaker 4:Oh, which one did I miss?
Speaker 3:The fact that she always has a mechanical helper near her, but when the husband shows up, it goes out the window.
Speaker 4:Oh Damn.
Speaker 1:Are you talking about 3PO?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So as soon as Anakin shows up, she's like, yeah, gtfo.
Speaker 2:I don't need you tonight. I got hot blood damn alright, tony.
Speaker 3:So thoughts on this episode other than that so honestly, I thought this was a kind of neat twist on the episode in season one where Anakin's all like, hey, let's just have some fun and she's all about business, and now it's kind of a flip around of she's like she would rather not do, rather just say fuck it, let's just take off and be by ourselves. But then he gets pulled in, he gets pulled back to work and has to say no, of course that's only the start of the episode and then it builds from there. For me, this episode was a nice bit of comic relief from the previous ones where it's almost a palate cleanser of okay, this is basically just rather than 90s adult movie. Previous ones where it's almost a a palate cleanser of okay, this is basically just rather than nineties adult movie I was going to say 90 sitcom of awkward situation that we're just going to force our way through and have some comedy moments with it.
Speaker 1:Um yeah, because being poisoned and uh, you know, a murderous jet, jealous Jedi, that's. That's hilarious.
Speaker 3:That's the commentary, as opposed to the kidnapping and murdering our children. This is a break.
Speaker 1:Okay, you're not wrong. Agreed, Touche.
Speaker 3:The entire episode is just Anakin is a jealous boyfriend. That's the entire. Episode is just Anakin is a jealous boyfriend. That's the entire episode.
Speaker 1:Again, it's that fear of loss it makes him do crazy things. So what's your rating for it?
Speaker 3:I would give this one. I'd probably say this one's a four and a half for me.
Speaker 1:Wow, all right, louis, what was your rating?
Speaker 4:Six out of five six out of five.
Speaker 1:Well, we're just going to go ahead and give you five, cause we can't go higher than that Cause then it's. Then then we're getting into like the chosen one level of midi clarions and I don't know, we're not there. You trust me, we're not there yet. Trust me, this episode is not chosen one level. We've got a ways to go before we get to the split.
Speaker 4:We should add that to our ranking system, like we each get to pick one chosen, one episode at the end of the season or at the end of the season. At the end of the season we all pick a. You know that would be fun for me.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I'll forget by then. But go me anyway what'd?
Speaker 1:you say now we'll do a recap, okay. So, sherry, your thoughts on the Senate spy?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I mean I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give it a. I'm going to give it a 2.5. Okay, just because I mean it was all about a jealous husband, I mean really she put him in his place.
Speaker 1:She put him in his place.
Speaker 2:Well, they got in a little spat because he had to go to work. Well, you know, there's a war Like I don't Like you know there's a war like I don't like you know this is happening. What you getting mad about? But but I like when they were talking about how, like um, when yoda was like, well, you know, you knew him before you were friends or yeah, they were like you were, they were friendly like that information out there too.
Speaker 2:Mace was like oh they were yeah friendly and then basically saying this in front of anakin and you see anakin's poor face, like well, how friendly. And then, when she was like what it was before we met well, first of all, you met when you were what? 14?
Speaker 3:right 14?. Yeah, what are you?
Speaker 4:talking about Willis Right.
Speaker 2:In my head while I was sitting there. I was trying to do the math and I was like bitch, what? What are you like 11?
Speaker 1:Did she say before we met or before we were together?
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I don't remember.
Speaker 2:Before we were together, but I think she said before we were together, but but the thing is is still, she had to be super young she was what 14 when she was 14 when she was the queen yeah, then she did all the senate, the senate training stuff, and I thought she was like 22
Speaker 3:well, I don't know when she met him did they say when she met?
Speaker 2:him. No, no, but they said they were together.
Speaker 5:Not in the episode In the Senate.
Speaker 2:Right. Say again I think they did like some training together or whatever while they were.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were in like the same senatorial school. I think they said, yeah, they went to Senate training together or something. Okay, so then maybe she was, you know, 15. She could have been a little older but.
Speaker 4:I mean it's pretty obvious, they were stupid, oh yeah oh for sure, and so.
Speaker 2:But when, when we, when I, when we meet him, all I could think of was like dude, are you like he's like a prince charming? I felt like he was like a prince charming doll he gave me vibes he gave the vibes. I'm not saying he was prince charming, but he gave those prince charming oh yeah, and he works any and he's.
Speaker 2:He's part of the banking clan, so he's like super wealthy and handsome and he's in the lobby of padme well, yeah, but he this, you haven't seen her in like I don't know a few years seven years whatever it was, and all of a sudden you're like, oh, you want to go with me to this, you know, to this place.
Speaker 2:And then when they get on the ship, he's like trying to oh, he was on her and shit, like dude, even even you're, this is like a first date, like calm down, that was so funny when they were on that shuttle and he was on her, he was trying, he was trying to get it creepy, that's like anakin.
Speaker 1:He's like oh, this, this seat's broken, that motherfucker, he broke that shit too, too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did, but he didn't care. Oh boy went around it, he did, and Anakin had to swirly, jostle that ship a little bit. Jostle that ship. But I mean this was an okay episode because they found the plans, okay fine. They found out that he was working for the what is it? The? The separatists, yeah, so that did suck, I mean, but other than and he did save her in the end. I mean he would, he wanted something for it, but I mean that was.
Speaker 1:That was kind of funky too. He was like you know what you get me? You get me the disc, I'll get you the antidote. But then he's like, oh, I love her, I'll do anything to save her. It's like, motherfucker, you were just bargaining with her life. Yeah, to get this fucking shit back. Shut the fuck up, sit down, yeah and you know.
Speaker 2:But yeah, that was pretty much it. I mean it was cool, it was a cute little usually the padme episodes.
Speaker 1:I'm just like, oh god I mean, are you sure?
Speaker 4:oh, yeah one was just taped on that dress I mean her outfits were very provocative, which is also plays into my adult movie theory my adult scenario, um, but yeah, other than than that, it was fine.
Speaker 1:Crash. What do you think?
Speaker 5:Well, first I think somebody needs to get Louie a death stick after this. He's a little spent.
Speaker 4:As far as the episode goes.
Speaker 5:It's kind of a palate cleaner after this intense storyline about the holocrons and stealing kids. I agree with that. But it's also it was tough in season one to bring Padme into the story. The senator doesn't always necessarily fit into a clone war scenario, so they sort of have to go on these little side quests, this one being sort of an espionage mission, like, oh sure, let's send the one senator that everybody knows is friendly towards the Jedi to go flirt with a guy. Oh, by the way, it's fun fact they actually do a decent job explaining the Clovis Padme situation in later books by EK Johnson, the again it's Queen's Peril, queen's Shadow, one of the prequel stories. But it's right about the time he sort of just shows up. Pad may have just been named a senator and this dude just kind of comes in thinking he's gonna score, basically, and she just rebuffed him and yeah, I don't want to give too much away, but there was a. It kind of gave some of the backstory about their relationship that the episode hadn't done yet. Okay, you get a chance to read those books. Are they still canon? Because for me it sort of enhanced.
Speaker 5:What episode? Yeah, this is part of the new canon, the, uh, their ek johnson, um, but as on its own. Again, it's hard to work padme into a story about space battles and crossing the galaxies and it's like, okay, fine, we'll have her be our spy, send her. And I think it's great that this was a good glimpse at Anakin's jealousy side. You know, tommy has that thing about his love is his weakness that's exploited. Well, this time even the Jedi Council started exploiting it. Even if they didn't necessarily know he was in a relationship, they know he has feelings for her and it was still kind of why would you send him?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they used him.
Speaker 1:They did big time, big time. They could have sent anyone else. They could have sent a nameless Jedi. They could have sent a female Jedi. They could have sent anyone else. They could have sent a nameless jedi. They could have sent a female jedi. They could have sent fucking obi-wan. They could have sent anybody else, but they sent anakin and it's just. It's just one more, one more step on that path for him, because it's like he, you know they're, they're using his love but then telling them he's not allowed to love at the same time see and I think it's even kind of an eye-opener for Padme.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they got into that little spat in the Senate building.
Speaker 5:Right.
Speaker 1:She put his ass in his place. She was like oh, you're going to let me do this, you're going to tell me what to do? Fuck you, dude, I'm out. I changed my mind. I'm going to do it. Anyway, I'm going to go talk to my ex-boyfriend Clovis, yeah.
Speaker 3:I mentioned that the Jedi Council wanted to send somebody else and I was like fuck you, you made me drag her into this shit.
Speaker 1:I'm going oh yeah, that's a good point. So Crash. What do you rate in this one?
Speaker 5:This is a three. I don't hate it, I don't love it, but I accept it.
Speaker 1:Just like a colonoscopy. Fair enough.
Speaker 4:You don't love it, you don't hate it.
Speaker 1:You just accept it.
Speaker 4:You don't hate a colonoscopy.
Speaker 1:I've never had one. I don't know how old are you, you just have to start getting them when you're like 50.
Speaker 4:It you don't hate a colonoscopy. I've never had one. I don't know, I haven't either.
Speaker 2:How old are you? You just have to start getting them when you're like 50.
Speaker 1:We are. I just went to my last checkup. They said like 55. What Moving on, that's it you don't need to talk about my colorectal health. I don't think we need to.
Speaker 2:Every time I go to the doctor, like you need to do it. You want to shove shit up my ass? Leave me alone.
Speaker 3:Well.
Speaker 1:I mean you know.
Speaker 3:Buy me a drink first.
Speaker 1:Fuck, there we go, all right, all right. So that is going to do us your homework for next week. All of our little succulents out there are going to watch episodes five through eight of season two and listen to past episodes of our podcast. Of course, share this with everyone you know, tell your friends, tell your enemies to give us a listen, depending on how you feel about us. So there you go, and, of course, now it's time for our obligatory pimping. So please do check us out on all social media at the SWS show and be sure to subscribe to the podcast and our YouTube channel. And if you'd like some merch, head on over to circleofnerdscom slash merch. And if you'd like to know what's coming up for this season, you can check out our timeline in our show description and also on our website, circleofnerdscom slash the SWS show. Does anybody have anything on the way out On our website, circleofnerdscom slash the SWS show.
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