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Padawan Perils: TCW Season 2: Ep 5-8
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This week we're heading back to Geonosis to deal with some bugs, and a couple zombie bugs too along the way. Clone Wars, season 2, episode 5 through 8, coming up. Stick around, howdy spacers. Welcome to Star Wars Safe Space, your non-toxic, low-sodium Star Wars show. That doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that Ewan McGregor has been Obi-Wan Kenobi for 25 years, so hopefully you're not feeling too old. So, whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little swarzy curious, this is indeed your Star Wars safe space. We are the Circle of Nerds and we do absolutely love Star Wars, even if we don't always like it. So let's meet the crew, shall we? From my left to your right, it is the Sensational Sherry, aka the Bog Witch. Hello everyone. That was kind of spooky.
Speaker 2:That was spooky.
Speaker 1:That was spooky and hailing from parts unknown. It is T to the Oni.
Speaker 3:Welcome back to the galaxy.
Speaker 1:Looking very Sith Lord-y and sounding like he needs a cough drop. He sounded Sith Damn Very Siff Lordy and sounding like he needs a cough drop.
Speaker 2:He sounded Sith.
Speaker 1:Damn, he did Very Siffy, very Siffy and smoky, that's right. And pilot of the infamous Parma Flyer. It is Crash.
Speaker 4:Hi guys, you know we got Y-Wings this week so I had to be here.
Speaker 1:We did get Y-Wings this week, and they were rocking it too, aren't they?
Speaker 4:oh my gosh they did.
Speaker 1:They are. They definitely swooped in and saved the day for sure. Um, and I am tommy d, you're slightly obnoxious star wars know-it-all. So what are we doing here? We are on a mission to watch all of the Star Wars canon films and TV shows in chronological order, breaking them down, connecting the dots and learning a little more about Star Wars, and maybe even about ourselves along the way. So just a warning there will be spoilers, so be prepared for that.
Speaker 1:So this week we continue on with Season 2 of the Clone Wars, with episodes five, six, seven and eight, which released on November and in November and December of 2009 and take place Twenty one BBY, and that is 21,. The events in Star Wars New Hope the very first Star Wars film, which released in 1977, are considered year zero on the timeline. So anything taking place before the Battle of Yavin is considered BBY. Anything taking place after is ABY. So you will be hearing us talking a little bit about that, will be hearing us talking a little bit about that. So season two is definitely a bit darker and a bit more gritty, I guess people like to say, than season one.
Speaker 1:And this week, these four episodes. It's all just battle, battle, battle. I mean, this was just, for the most part, non-stop action in all four of these episodes, starting with landing at point rain, we're returning to geonosis. We're retaking the planet and man did it get out of control fast, like any war. We're seeing, you know, the fog of war. We're seeing the confusion on the battlefield. People are getting killed left and right. Um, I don't think we had anybody for our wall of remembrance we did.
Speaker 2:I thought you wrote it down we did.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. Yes, trash talk trooper. Yes, uh, if you guys remember him, he was like you know, good thing, these clankers, you know bad shots, or whatever, yeah, and then, and then his whole transport blew up. You know, good thing, these clankers, you know, are bad shots or whatever, yeah, and then his whole transport blew up, like you know. So, trash talk trooper, didn't see it coming, but thoughts and prayers to you, buddy. So we did see a lot of parallels between this story arc in this episode in particular and World War II movies, films. You know Lucas, you know George Lucas drew on those. I'm getting an echo. Are you guys hearing that too?
Speaker 4:That sounds like a Bad Batch joke.
Speaker 1:An echo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had to lower my mic.
Speaker 4:They actually did that joke too one time. Is there an echo in here?
Speaker 3:And he goes, yeah me.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness. But so this episode was just kind of a nice proper battle, I think. I mean there was. No, there wasn't a whole lot of. There was some nice character interaction, you know, between the Jedi there was some. They were kind of trading shots Obi-Wan is always snarky, yeah, ahsoka's Ahsoka. There was a little bit of back and forth there between everybody. I don't think we saw a whole lot in terms of growth or character progression or anything like that. What do you guys think?
Speaker 3:a lot of teamwork I mean trying to you know I mean trying to get through as far as our main characters are concerned, no, but um, and you know you were talking about I'm sorry, go ahead oh you were talking about.
Speaker 4:You know the world war ii influences. George lucas, dave baloney went hard on this episode in particular about the World War II references especially. There's a shot when Anakin's team and Ahsoka are breaching the wall and there's just basically this long panning sprint to where the battle droids are. And if you're a World War II film fan, there's a movie called the Longest Day. That was a direct homage to a shot from that movie where they literally took a cable camera, hit said action and guys are running, pyros going and this camera is just dragging along this long stretch of coastline. Whatever it catches it catches. Usually in movies, you know, animation is used as a pre-vis for live action. In this case, the live action was the pre-vis for something we see in animation. It was just a beautiful shot and anybody who's a big world war ii movie fan was doing like the leo and caprio, like there. It is like as soon as you saw it you knew exactly what he was trying to get across and what was the movie again, what was it called?
Speaker 4:it's called the longest day. It's one of those cast of thousands john wayne, sean connery. They cover the entire d-day invasion from different perspectives and bounce back and forth, but there's that one shot. That's a very famous shot because it's a very long one, take kind of thing, and they did it beautifully in animation.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay and then, yeah, and that's like you said. That's very similar to what we saw in this episode.
Speaker 2:They had three teams doing different aspects.
Speaker 1:Right, and then that run towards the defensive wall.
Speaker 2:That they weren't supposed to be, by that they weren't supposed to be by.
Speaker 1:That they weren't supposed to be by.
Speaker 2:You're near it.
Speaker 3:No battle plan survives up to the first punch, yeah.
Speaker 1:No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. What's the other thing about that? There's another thing about a punch Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face, or something like that. I don't know Something like that.
Speaker 2:I've never been punched in the face, not in this beauty. No, no, no.
Speaker 3:How would that happen if they didn't have Palpatine in the room with them as they were discussing the play that's rude.
Speaker 2:As soon as I saw him, I was like this is a trap, it's going to go well, it's a trap. They're always a trap because he knows everything and he's telling I mean, he's playing both sides, so he does what he wants, but yeah.
Speaker 4:Especially because this is a rematch of the fight we all saw in the beginning of Clone Wars in Episode 2. It's like, you know, the clones know the droid and the Geonosian tactics and they up their game. And so did the Geonosians tactics and they upped their game, and so did the Geonosians, you know, luring a team into a cave where they don't have air cover. You know, the bugs are the air cover and can just pick you guys off. Meanwhile the clones are packing flamethrowers for some reason, and you're like that's not meant for droids, that was meant for the bugs. Very Starship Troopers-esque.
Speaker 2:I felt bad because I started laughing. Like in the background you can see the ones that got hit with the flamethrowers and still trying to fly off. They just look like little flaming angels. It was kind of I shouldn't laugh, but it was hilarious and then plummeting to their deaths.
Speaker 1:but uh, yeah, well, you know. So a couple things in this episode that might have been missed, so so if you did miss it, go back and watch it again. Waxer and Boiler back they're kind of a funny little duo, if you guys remember them from season one and you notice Waxer has this cool little cartoony representation of Numa on his helmet.
Speaker 2:She was so cute, very cute on his helmet.
Speaker 1:So very cute. So we are seeing more. You know that. You know that the more you know, individual personalities of the clone troopers are coming out, and you know how sweet is that. You know, I mean that he, you know he had that he made that connection with someone on a planet that he may never see again. Right, you know so, right, you know so. I mean it was go ahead, that was a green, okay, so, and then, uh and sherry, you would ask, you know, um, how old ahsoka was? Yeah, during all of this, so 14 years old at the start of the war and then 17 years old at the end of it.
Speaker 2:So again, star Wars is whatever age, it doesn't even matter, it's the maturity level. I kind of like that, because I think some people take even children for granted that are a little more mature. Yeah, put them to work, put them to war, why not? I'm not saying send them to war, war, but I'm just saying they might have good ideas as well. We need to also listen to that. But yes, but that's how I felt the episode was, at least for that little portion but I do think that we could.
Speaker 1:We could send children to war, because why not? I mean, they love, they can hold it for you in other countries. But that's again. That's the Jedi. That's the Jedi way we're gonna teach young babies.
Speaker 2:We're gonna teach them how to fight by the age of 14 but, it's not the Jedi way, because Padme was 14, she was a queen, so that's not. That's not the Jedi way, that's Star Wars. They age different, so that's not the.
Speaker 1:Jedi way. That's Star Wars, star Wars universe.
Speaker 2:They age different.
Speaker 1:Apparently On the other hand Child labor laws.
Speaker 3:On the other hand, we've got Grogu, who's 50 and barely doing anything.
Speaker 2:Right, they live for hundreds of years.
Speaker 1:So I just think Grogu's lazy.
Speaker 2:He's not lazy, he's a little cutie.
Speaker 1:He's cute, but he's lazy. Come on, put him to work. He's 50. Ahsoka was only 14. Look how much she accomplished in just three years. Race is different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, different race.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I don't see race in these things. I'm sorry, all right.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry I don't see race in these things.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, alright. So what are we doing with the midichlorians here? What's the midichlorian count for this episode Crash?
Speaker 4:I'm going to give it five. This cooked like a flame-throwing clone dripper.
Speaker 1:I agree. I'm also giving it a five. This cooked like a flame-throwing clone dripper. I agree. I'm also giving it a five. Action-packed, non-stop. Not a lot of filler, it just went. Loved it. I'm giving it a three. Giving it a three.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 3.5.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, 3.5. Alright.
Speaker 2:It was all right. I like the action, but it really wasn't, didn't really do it for me.
Speaker 1:Didn't do it for you. All right, that's fair.
Speaker 3:Tony, I'm going with 4.5 on this one. This was a great episode and a really great example of this series getting dark.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4:And just to go back to something we talked about in the pre-show, this was the first time, I think, we saw the jedi as vulnerable. You know not just you know with the mail in, like the micro series and some of the other stuff around this era the jedi sort of just leap into situations and you think, oh, even Obi-Wan, we know Obi-Wan's going to survive. But in this episode, when things were at their worst, the droids and the Genoshans had their tanks circled and they were closing in there was a real moment of you can see on Obi-Wan where we're in trouble. Until my Y-Wing boys from Shadow squadron came in and kicked some butt, they were in trouble yeah yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1:You're not wrong. Yeah, that was yeah, every. But again, everybody except anakin. Anakin is the only one who never really worries, unless it's about his padawan. You know well, not just his Padawan, but people he cares about. But other than that, he has no fear, he has no concept of defeat, he just goes.
Speaker 2:He's kind of like a Captain Kirk.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I almost wonder and I have no idea if they thought that far ahead into it. But like when you basically tell a kid, before you even start really training him, that he's essentially a chosen one, like, does that give you that era of invulnerability where like, yeah, fuck.
Speaker 2:I don't know, that's an interesting point.
Speaker 1:I mean he knows he's good, and I think that's the thing too. He absolutely knows that he's good and he's very good.
Speaker 2:Yes, but there's an air of arrogance there which he has, oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, more and more common in jedi these days? Yeah, especially the young ones, for sure. All right, so moving on to episode six, the weapon factory. Uh, this one was pretty interesting in that we got to see the dynamic between other Jedi and their Padawan versus Anakin and Ahsoka who, like Luminara said, they kind of play fast and loose with the rules and the tradition. So I mean, we see Barriss and Luminara walking up to Anakin and Ahsoka and the first thing Luminara says is oh, they're at it again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was so funny. And then we see Barriss offer this wonderful formal bow and greeting to Ahsoka and Ahsoka just is like, oh, what's up? Dabbing him up.
Speaker 2:Like hey, welcome, but I don't think you're in a war situation, like, why are you curtsying? Are you kidding me right now? I mean, I get it. She's been in war, she's, ahsoka, seen a lot already yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean she's pretty battle hardened at this point. You know like they're like a I don't even think like even a year into the war yet at this point and she's seen so much and she's seen a lot.
Speaker 1:She's seen so much, so that was nice to see that with them. And again we do see more of anakin's fear, you know, of fear of loss, because when they went down in that tank you know he wasn't going to leave this planet without them. You know he didn't even want to focus to go because, again, the episode was about trust. That was the moral of the story in this episode, that was the theme, but I don't think it was ever about Anakin not trusting her. I think it was more about him being afraid of losing her.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, when she kept saying you don't trust me, no, so I don't trust you. But then he can't express I would, yeah, he would throw himself into the deepest hole for her.
Speaker 4:And Pappy, he would literally move a mountain.
Speaker 1:Literally, Literally and he did.
Speaker 2:Lifting that.
Speaker 1:And Luminara brought it up. Luminara said, hey, you know, don't you trust her? And he was like no, it's not that. And she was like, well, what is it? And he was like nothing. And we see the camera zoom in on her. Like she senses that fear, like she, I think she felt it for a second for sure so I don't know what are your thoughts um, I thought this was an interesting episode.
Speaker 3:Um, it was. I thought it was nice to see and we will see this, you know, in another episode in this, in this batch, this batch of showing how Ahsoka is that much more advanced than other Padawan who should, in theory, have the same level of experience as she has and we touched on it on other episodes of the you know it's the whole thing is for a master and a Padawan to be together. Then why don't we have Luminar embarrassed together and Anakin and Ahsoka together, like the? The splitting them up wasn't necessary for this you're right.
Speaker 4:You know it's kind of interesting how they split the padawan and masters, because you know, you think, what the youngins are more spry. Yeah, if anything, you would think the masters would have gone on to such a dangerous mission to protect their padawans from being placed in a scenario they're not ready for, from being placed in a scenario they're not ready for.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:But it's also Ahsoka is sort of the eyes of the viewer in this series, obviously because she's a fresh character and this is sort of her first test with someone her own age, sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I thought it was interesting. Obviously they made a point of saying, hey, barris knows the plans, she knows the whole structure down below ground. So obviously she had to go. And again, for the story's sake of showing us the difference between the two, it makes sense that Ahsoka would go with her for that, but as a strategy it's not the best one, right? Oh well, yeah, it still works.
Speaker 4:It seemed a little odd in reality versus like for the sake of a story how the two Padawans went on the dangerous part of the mission instead of the mask. You know, you think they would have sent a master and a Padawan Right instead of the master.
Speaker 4:You think they would have sent a master and a Padawan as much as that dynamic of their relationship is about that. But at the same time this was sort of Ahsoka's first test with one of her peers. She's worked with Flo Koon, she's worked with Obi-Wan and Luminara on missions. But now she gets to go on a mission with someone her own age. It's kind of like hanging out with your cousin that you don't see all the time and you realize we don't have a lot in common.
Speaker 2:Well, and I also think it was a little test for Barriss herself. You know, she just wanted to get her Padawan out into the field, Like let's see what she can do when she's on her own.
Speaker 4:And we've seen padawan sent back to the temple. Ahsoka has been sent back to the temple for more study right during the war. You know right, I don't think baris opi is in the field with luminar all the time no, I don't think so, because she I she wasn't with her when her Nosoka was there.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So yeah, maybe they're just trying to touch on the youth a little more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just trying to show that they can be, they're capable and they can actually be trusted, and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2:This was a good episode. I thought yeah it was.
Speaker 1:What's the midichlorian count? What are you guys thinking?
Speaker 3:I would give this one, three and a half.
Speaker 2:I would give it a five. I liked it. The storyline was interesting and how they saved each other. I think they did a really good job. I don't know. I really like this episode.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. Very good, crash. What about you Four? I really like this episode.
Speaker 4:Okay, all right, very good, crash. What about you Four? I think it's a solid continuation, even with a different plot line. We go from the invasion episode to the. Here's the final strategy. Instead of a big arc, three teams of Jedi, now we're dealing with two Padawans on their own.
Speaker 1:I thought that was very interesting, I agree, I agree, I think I'm also giving two Padawans on their own, and I thought that was very interesting. I agree, I agree. I think I'm also giving it a four for that. So good, good episode. It was a good episode, so next one up. I don't think we lost anybody in that one. I don't think we've got anybody for the wall of remembrance on that one. I don't think anybody died in any sort of horrific way.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, all right sort of horrific way.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, all right, this one, yeah, no, I didn't think. No, nobody, everybody was uh, you know, there were some basic uh, explosions and blaster hits and things like that, but I don't think any of our clones really got uh, you know, uh brutalized in this one. So, all right. So, uh, next, legacy of terror, episode seven. Um, this one gave us some zombie bugs, which was very interesting. Um, also, obi-wan had mentioned and this was the second time he mentioned it he's he's questioning why the war is dragging on so long, like he's starting to get hip to the fact that there are some other things happening here. You know, it's not just a regular war, something is going on, and he's starting to to really recognize that. He only touched on very briefly, but this is the second time in this arc that he mentioned it, so I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 1:Um, we had a couple of zombie bug troopers that get pulled off into the walls, screaming so thoughts and prayers to them, and we get another. We get a named clone, uh, gearshift. Uh, he gets, uh, he gets pulled away by a zombie, a zombie bug, and you know, his, his companion, was like gearshift, no, that's, they were like trying to pull his memory. They were trying to pull his helmet off and, sherry, you were wondering if they had put the the worm up his nose, but that he just took care of it. They just straight killed him. So very interesting episode. Very different, because now we're seeing a bit more of Geonosian culture, yeah, especially with the Queen. So what are your thoughts on this one? I thought it was a good episode, but there wasn't a lot of I don't know. I don't think there was a whole lot of growth one way or another. Nothing major that stood out to me. What do you guys think?
Speaker 2:I think it was like suspenseful, yeah, that I thought it was a, very obviously with the zombies and and all that stuff. But, um, the queen was smart trying to get jedi. It's hard to get jedi, but she was smart if she would have got enough of those things inside of a jedi, in multiple jedis, huh.
Speaker 1:Imagine if she would have got Anakin and Obi-Wan.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:I mean. You know brainwashed, zombified Anakin and Obi-Wan. Can you imagine the damage they could have done? Mm-hmm. Well, I mean, look what the Padawan did and she was Look what the Padawan did, look what Barriss did.
Speaker 2:And that I. Again, it was her and ahsoka together and I like that episode. I I really this episode. I thought it was good they worked together they well, that's, this is the next one.
Speaker 1:That's the next one when they're, when they're together, I know because, but it's, it's a story, it's all good, it's a story arc, it's all. It's all going together. So, no, I get it Anyway. So this one, we got to see the queen, the queen of the Geonosians, that crazy bitch.
Speaker 2:I mean she's crazy. So I want to say.
Speaker 3:the thing that stuck out in this episode the most to me and you guys make a point of there's not a whole lot of growth in this episode. You know what I mean? It's Obi-Wan's focus on trying to learn more and wanting to take one of these little bugs home really stuck out to me, as maybe shades of Qui-Gon and even Dooku's leadership, just that natural sense of curiosity. And of course, the play between him and Anakin is just like well, you have your fun, you do your studies. I'll be here to wreck shit when it goes bad. That's a fun little dynamic, but it was interesting to see that side of Obi-Wan because Cause we don't we haven't seen it too often, at least in this show so far, right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:This is. This is a great sci-fi version of a classic horror movie. You know the two heroes go into a tunnel and you find creepy things and yeah, yeah, you can almost compare it. It's like a little bit like aliens where there's, you know, like a queen monster at the end that you know you find out where the geonosians come from and all these eggs and stuff and and the dynamic. You know one guy wants to study it and it's fascinating. The other one, just like you said, just wants to wreck stuff and get out of there alive that was so funny.
Speaker 2:Obi-wan's like I wanted to keep what dude no study. The bottom of my shoe was so funny that was funny.
Speaker 1:That was funny for mannequin when he was like, yeah, he studied the bottom of my boot. Okay, no, that was good, um, all right. So, yeah, good episode. What? What's the midichlorian count? What do you think of crash?
Speaker 4:um, I'm gonna go three only because it's such a departure from what we've seen so far. You know, you went from the war storyline more into a horror monster storyline in a blink of an eye and you're like, wow, but it's a good storyline and it'll play well into the next episode right, it's a nice lead-in to the other one, to the next episode, so sure yeah, I'll give it a three, two, um, just because it it was a fun episode, maybe dropped on halloween, I have no idea and they just wanted to throw in some something fun there.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know, we'd have to look up the date, but it was november. This one, this one, dropped in november, yeah that was just funny to me, so it would have been a cool halloween episode though. Yeah, it's like we're now we're getting zombies. Are you kidding me right now? Zombie geonosians no well, you know there was a star trek episode. The same thing. What is it? Yeah, so it was Next Gen, and it's the same concept of the bugs, the parasites, getting into the humans and controlling them to take over the Federation.
Speaker 4:They're slowly infiltrating the Federation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's actually one of my favorite episodes, so if you guys want to watch, it, it's free.
Speaker 4:Oh, it's so good. And to go that dark on a season one.
Speaker 2:It's so dark. I mean it's so dark and he blows up Anyway. Spoiler.
Speaker 1:Maybe we should do a Star Trek podcast.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, I would love it. Are you kidding me? But yeah, that's one of the good next gen. It's so cheesy, the monsters are horribly done so bad, but yeah. So that's what this reminded me of.
Speaker 1:All right, Tony midichlorian count.
Speaker 3:I wanted to give this a 3.5, but there's a couple of plot holes that it leaves going into the next episode, so I can't go give this a 3.5, but there's a couple of plot holes that it leaves going into the next episode, so I can't go higher than a three.
Speaker 1:You can't go higher than a three. All right, I think I'm right there with you guys. I'm going to do a 3.5 because I did like. I did like the, the back and forth banter. I did really like the, the horror movie vibe of it, that's all I. I did really like the horror movie vibe of it. I like horror movies, so that was fun. And the aliens vibe it was really cool. It was an alien queen in Star Wars. That was awesome, all right. So going to the next episode, episode eight, brain Invaders, this one was pretty cool too.
Speaker 1:We're seeing a lot of individuality with the clones. I think it was a Tango Squad. Is that the guys? Tango Squad? Maybe? I don't know, I'll have to look that up. But we had a lot of named clones in this one, which always kind of scares me, because I feel like every time they they give us a name, that means that someone's going to die, like that's, that's, and I think we only had a couple of deaths, but um, uh, it was still like they. These poor guys got messed up.
Speaker 1:So what was it Clone? Trooper scythe? He was the first one. He got the, uh, the parasite in him. Um, um, who else was it. Oh, um, edge.
Speaker 1:Now, this was interesting. There's nothing to do with the story, but I was just wondering if so, edge, he had like a silver white hair and blue eyes. He had like light blue eyes. So they were the. Him and Ox were the two clone troopers that walked into the mess hall when Barris and Ahsoka were in there and they attacked Barris and Ahsoka, attacked Barris and Ahsoka and, yeah, edge, I thought it was interesting that he had light blue eyes. I understand the hair color because they all dye their hair, they all cut their hair different. I mean, obviously, rex, we see him with blonde hair, but everyone usually always has brown eyes, except for this guy, and I thought that was very interesting.
Speaker 1:I didn't, I do you think that's some sort of maybe like an anomaly, was it? Uh, you know like uh, I don't want to say like a defect, but I mean it's definitely, it's definitely like a genetic mutation maybe, but usually the Not the genotions, but the caminoans. Yeah, usually the caminoans are. They filter that stuff out. They're not going to give, they're not going to. Let you know that would be part of a bad batch right there. So you know that that trooper would have been identified early on and probably wouldn't have made it really past infancy. So I find that I don't know and I couldn't find any explanation for it online.
Speaker 4:You wonder if there's like an acceptable level of variancy in like cosmetic features like that, like the eye color, hair I don't know if it's dyed hair color or they just, you know, some, some kids grow up blonde, some kids grow up, you know, dark hair. You know, maybe there's just an acceptable level that doesn't impact their soldiering ability, that the caminoans just kind of go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll be fine yeah, I don't know like I. I know, like later on I can't remember what season it's in, but but later on we get these clone troopers that they all have different accents. I don't know if you remember this. Again, I think we're pretty far away from this. I think it's around the time that we meet Clone Trooper 99. I think it's around that time that we meet um clone trooper 99. I think it's around that time, like whenever we some somewhere along. But there was there. All these clone troopers are hanging out in the barracks and there's like a group of like four of them, I think three or four of them, and they all have different accents, which I thought was very interesting. I so I I didn't know if that was, you know, like they were just trying on you know something for a little bit more individuality.
Speaker 4:They were trying on new accents for themselves, or or d bradley just needed to like expand the repertoire a little bit.
Speaker 1:You know, just yeah I guess he just needed a break or something. I just wanted to switch it up. I don't know, but, but this guy but edge, you know, clone trooper edge. I don't, I don't know. But this guy but Edge, you know, clone Trooper Edge. I don't understand the blue eyes. It's not a big deal, I mean, you know it's pointless to probably even theorize about it.
Speaker 3:I imagine that it just comes down to a hey, we wanted to be able to visually distinguish and, considering the clones, there's only so much that you can do, so they just decided to do this. And there's only so much that you can do, so they just decided to do this, and there's a reasonable explanation of a genetic mutation, whatever, sure, I mean, I have no idea. You know, like I know, in our world you can just get colored contact lenses to throw in your eyes just to be a little different. But yeah, I don't know if that's in the star wars world, so maybe it does, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Um, as far as the accents, I mean, I'm very, you know, I know a lot of people that I grew up with, that you know we all grew up in the same area. You know we all talk the same way. But having spent enough time apart, you know you, you adapt some natural linguistic traits from the places where you've been sure. So I I'm not familiar with this episode that you're talking about, but yeah, we'll get to it if these people aren't part of the same troop.
Speaker 3:It might make sense that they've been separated. They've been on different plans doing different things, and so they've adapted that and brought it back all right, but that's a good point.
Speaker 1:That's a good point, that's a good point, all right. So the episode itself. What were your thoughts? Um, you know, we see, uh, we see anakin. Once they've got poggle the lesser, we see anakin dipping a toe into the dark side, force, choking him. But did you notice that they also played the imperial theme, like as he was walking towards the cell and he told the guards leave us.
Speaker 4:They were playing the Imperial theme, they were playing Vader's theme that was a clear sign to the audience that this is going to be a hint of Vader. You're going to get a whiff of Daniken's dark side, much like when they were, you know, gang mind tricking, new gun right, there's a, there's a line. Jedi don't cross unless they really really feel they have to. Anakin, just hopscotch, is over it. When he's in the mood, you don't care Again. They'll move mountains for his Padawan. Yeah, he'll. He'll choke a Geonosian to save his Padawan. He'll choke a.
Speaker 3:Geonosian to save his Padawan I mean, this is very clearly the closest comparison we've gotten so far to his fear of loss will bring him to the dark side. Oh yeah, so that was a very nice cue for that. So I know I mentioned it in the previous episode. The previous episode for me left a couple of plot holes. The big one for me is Obi-Wan made a whole point of I want to study these things. They killed the one that I wanted to study. Why on earth did they have an entire backpack full of them? If they did, why was Obi-Wan care about the one that got killed?
Speaker 3:To me, that was, if it were me like and of course I have the benefit of hindsight and retrospect like you had enough clone troopers that died in the previous episode. You've shown that these things can reanimate the dead. Why not just have one of those ones that died be infected with one of these and sneak aboard to do it Like? To me, that would have been a much better justification for how this happened, as opposed to the way that they did it. Now it's fine, whatever, it's just a throwaway thing. But to me that was kind of a why did you make this whole big issue?
Speaker 1:But whatever, yeah Well, and also, like my thing was where did, where did scythe get all those, all those fucking eggs? Like he was chilling, taking a nap, the you know he got, he got infected and I mean, as far as I know, everything else was like buried underground as the troopers were leaving. They shot out those support posts and but he had a backpack full of eggs. He didn't have to have one or two. I mean, this motherfucker had like a backpack full of eggs. Like where did he get them? When did he have time to to collect all of them?
Speaker 3:if you, if you had made it one of the dead troopers okay, he's had time because he's been assumed dead. Dead troopers okay, he's had time because he's been assumed dead, he sneaks away, does that? Comes back. The only people that saw him die are now gone, so he can sneak aboard with it with the other ones or maybe take that like you know what that would have been.
Speaker 1:That would have been cool too, like you know, if, um, you know you're, you know one of troopers is is presumed dead and they're brought aboard that medical frigate. You know, just put, you know put. But but they would have put him in like some kind of a cold storage and that would have probably that would have killed, that would have killed the parasite. So maybe that's why they didn't do it, cause, yeah, now that I think about it, since it was the cold that that killed him, if you would have taken that that dead trooper and put him in there, um, but still, I mean, I get it, I get, you know, like having having zombie scythe walking around, but uh, yeah, the whole backpack full of fucking eggs. I don't come on, man, come on yeah just a little weird for me, uh.
Speaker 3:but that being said, I really enjoyed the episode. I again, you know and I touched on this briefly when you might have been cut out I thought it was nice to see Ahsoka paired with Barriss again to just kind of show the difference. And yeah, they're both Padawans, but Ahsoka is far above and beyond where Barriss is.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, because she's definitely seen more action. But I like that they were able to, to just have a for a minute anyway, just a quiet, peaceful meal. You know two, two young people you know able to that can. They can relate to each other. You know what I mean. I mean, you know, ahsoka hasn't been around anyone her age, you know, or even another female. So now here's another female padawan up, maybe the same age, I don't know how old barris was at the time, but, um, that must have been nice for ahsoka too. You, you know, it's like, you know, like you go to your parents' house, or whatever, your aunt and uncle's house, your grandparents' house, for the holidays there's no other kids there and then somebody else brings a kid over and the first thing you do is you beeline towards that kid and say hey, you want to play and I feel like maybe this was something that Ahsoka really needed play and I feel like maybe this was something that ahsoka really needed.
Speaker 1:you know, she needed that time to be, you know, a young woman interacting with another young woman, maybe, or at least another padawan, because she doesn't get to hang out with padawans either right.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, those are my primary thoughts. Um, again, I really enjoyed the episode. I thought that we see Anakin's potential to go nasty in order to take care of who he needs to take care of. Again, we get to see Ahsoka stepping up and showing how much more advanced she is than other people around her level.
Speaker 4:In theory, I really enjoyed this episode for those reasons yeah, I think this episode really demonstrated again we're talking about hints of things that we know will happen in the future the, the, the zombified clones. There's a you know just the, the diner scene. There's very hints of order 66 know these kids are having a quiet meal and all of a sudden these two clones come in and just start shooting up the place. And it speaks to the adaptability of Ahsoka's training with Anakin that she was able to evade the clones, who know them better than anybody else does.
Speaker 4:Whereas Barriss kind of walked right, I thought you know, we talk about how the season isn't afraid to go into dark places. I thought the way they did. I called the silent scream where, like, the ray shields go up as the clones are impregnating the creature into. I was like, well, that's just haunting, because you know she's like screaming her head off in terror, but you can't hear it yeah, like she started to, and then it's just those ratios went up and then knocked it out yeah so and they did, I, I did like that.
Speaker 1:They showed restraint, um, you know barris and ahsoka, you know barris did, she did take out trap, um, but I mean he was, he was on her, so I, I, I kind of get it, I mean, but then she immediately killed you know the, uh, the parasite. But actually the parasite came out of him after she, uh, she sabered him, yeah, but uh, yeah, but I did but, but you know, for the most part they did show quite a bit of restraint and not not killing the clones, which I liked, and uh, unfortunately we're going to be seeing more of that as we approach season seven and the inevitable start of Order 66, unfortunately. Yeah, alright, so Crash, what's the midichlorian count on this?
Speaker 4:I'd give it a four. The last movie was sort of the classic horror movie. This was a straight up slasher thriller like kind of thing. Especially it's weird seeing your friends turn on you. Yeah, it that suddenly and and just and knowing your tactics and knowing your, your tendencies, you don't know who to trust, let alone your, except yourself. And I think that really played well in the set very true.
Speaker 1:And and there were, there were more alien vibes in this. You know, trapped on a ship with, you know, alien creatures that want to eat your face, you know, or murder you or whatever. But that was, yes, I, I like that, that was. That was very cool, tony I'm giving this five midichlorians.
Speaker 3:And the biggest reason why when Ahsoka temporarily incapacitates Barriss, she's laying on the ground and gets control of herself for just long enough to say kill me, Kill me. Yeah, Holy shit, this is supposed to be a kid's show. You went there, yeah, Fuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that was I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4:And even in the aftermath Ahsoka in the med bay you could tell that kind of haunted her that a friend asked her to kill her. It's like that's a big ask.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for a 14-year-old, yeah, and I like the way that they filmed it, because from the angle that we see Ahsoka slicing with her lightsaber, you kind of have a feeling because the parasite was hanging out of Barriss' mouth. So I mean, you, you kind of have a feeling, I mean because the the parasite was hanging out of barris's mouth. So I mean you kind of have a feeling that that's what she did. But they shot it from that angle on purpose, obviously. So you really, and then cut to the next scene. So you really don't know, did, did ahsoka just take barris out, or I mean to put her out of her misery? But you know, so I, I like that. They went in that direction with it. Obviously, we know what happened, you know. Yeah, but that was a nice touch. That was a nice touch. I really liked that. So I'm I'm also giving it a five.
Speaker 1:I thought it was a really cool episode. We got to see multiple layers from everyone in this episode. We got to see multiple layers, different facets from the clones, from the Padawans, from Anakin. So there was a lot of reveals in this in terms of people's personalities and, again, clone individuality and things like that. So it's a very well done episode. I really enjoyed it. It was a good arc, I think, overall very, very good arc. It was very good art so, and it's just going to get better from here on out. That's why I'm excited about this, because from here on out, out like it, just get the clone wars just get better. I mean, there's yes, there's gonna be some filler episodes here and there, but for the most part, this is we're in for such a fun ride. We're in for such a fun ride. I'm so looking forward to it. We just need to get our equipment right and then, uh, and then we'll be good. So we'll get there, we'll get there, we'll get there, we'll get there, we'll get there, we'll get there. All right, so homework, homework for you, my little spacers. So you need to watch episodes 9 through 12 of season 2 and if you want listen to our past episodes of our podcast, if you would be so inclined, your friends, tell your enemies and give us a listen wherever you like to listen to podcasts. So it's time for our obligatory pimping. So, of course, you need to check us out. Check us out on social media, at the SWS show. We're on every platform and be sure to subscribe to the podcast and our YouTube channel. You can check out our podcast on whatever platform you listen to podcasts or YouTube. If you prefer to listen to the show on YouTube, you can.
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