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The Deserter and The Darksaber: TCW Season 2: Ep 9-12
This week we dissect General Grievous' misunderstood role as a villain and his place as an unlikely hero..at least in Tommy's eyes.
We look at the development of the Grievous and Kenobi bromance, and explore the complex themes of loyalty, choice, and the human impact of war through the eyes of Rex, and the deserter Cut.
We also delve into Mandalorian society's surprising pacifism during the Clone Wars, why Kenobi is the TRUE owner of the Darksaber, and the obvious sexual tension between the Jedi and the Duchess. From Mandalorian heritage to heated debates on new Star Wars narratives, this week we've got a lot to talk about! Don't miss it!
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This week we're going after Grievous, using the force to keep our clothes on and witnessing a cartoon suicide. Seriously, all right, it's the Clone Wars, season 2, episodes 9 through 12. This week, on your Star Wars safe space, stick around. Aww, that was the wrong button. Maybe it's this one. Oh, my goodness, I feel like this button press is totally appropriate for this show.
Speaker 1:All right, anyway, howdy Star Warriors, welcome to Star Wars Safe Space, your non-toxic, low-sodium Star Wars show. That doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that there were 736 named clone troopers. 736 named clone troopers. I did the math on that, so that might not be 100 accurate, but I did the math and I think anyway, 736 clone troopers, all named, very cool. So, whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little swarzy curious, this is your star Wars safe space. Welcome, welcome, welcome. We are the Circle of Nerds and we do, in fact, love Star Wars, even if we don't always like it. So let's go around the room and meet the crew, shall we? So, to my left, your right star of stage and screen. It is the sensational Sherry.
Speaker 2:Hello. Hello is the sensational sherry hello and hailing from parts unknown.
Speaker 1:It is t to the oni. Welcome back to the galaxy everybody all right, oh, that's not a good button, all right, and I, of course, am. Tommy d. You're more than slightly obnoxious. Star wars, know, know it all. So what are we doing here? Well, we are on a mission to watch every single Star Wars film and TV show in chronological order Chronological. Chronological order Chronological.
Speaker 3:Chronological.
Speaker 1:I promise I know how to speak. Crotch logical crotch. Good, oh my god, we're already falling apart, so again, very appropriate. But yes, we're going to watch all of the Star Wars films and TV shows in chronological order, breaking them down, connecting the dots and learning more about Star Wars and maybe even a little about ourselves. Maybe, and maybe, we'll learn how to control all this equipment that we have as well. Maybe Someday Probably not.
Speaker 1:So, so this week we continue on with season two of the clone wars, with episodes nine through 12, which released in january of 2010 uh, taking off with a two-parter episode, I believe and these all take place during 21 bby. What is bby? You may have asked yourself on multiple occasions, I'm sure, keeping yourself up at night. What is bby? It's not the same as bbc. That's something completely different. Whether you're into adult entertainment or british television, bbc may have a completely different meaning for you. I will allow the internet to educate you on that.
Speaker 1:But no, the events star wars a new hope the very first star wars, which released in 1977, are considered year zero on the timeline. So anything happening before the Battle of Yavin BBY, and then anything happening after the Battle of Yavin ABY. So you'll be hearing us use those terms from time to time, in case you didn't know. So there you go Now you know All right, so let's get into it. Episode grievous, intrigue. We see uh master cough cough getting uh abducted by the evil and wily general grievous and uh, he is crazy. He's always, but you know what? He's always having a good time he is.
Speaker 1:He's always laughing with his asthmatic ass and uh he really I feel like I relate to him, I really relate to general grievous, because I I cough when I laugh. See you too, me too right now, yes, so I cough when I laugh and I hate Jedi. So I feel like I mean not all Jedi, I mean we're going to talk about some badassery, but just, you know, the Jedi are just I don't know, I'm just tired of them. So we do see a little bit more with, uh, the jedi, the jedi's arrogance. You know they couldn't possibly get bad intel on anything because they're the jedi. And you know yoda seemed a bit surprised to find out that, uh, their intel on, you know, activity in the selecomi sector I didn't take that from him.
Speaker 3:He said it's been like that lately.
Speaker 1:Yes, no, no no, I'm not saying yoda specifically, but the jedi, the jedi as a whole. They tend to think that you know, they know everything. Like how could we possibly not know that if our intelligence says that there's nothing happened in the selekami system? Well, they're not. We're jedi, we know it all. We know everything. I don't get that yoda, I agree with you.
Speaker 3:I don't get that from yoda so much, but I mean it's like well, my thing is a jedi told you with some sign, symbols or whatever I mean no, oh no, no, I know I yeah, master cough did that oh, I'm talking about after he did that, because that was when they were like oh, but they said and I'm like, he just told you where they're at, like the fuck. Why are you questioning it?
Speaker 1:yeah, like he just he just like, did his like, just did his cool Jedi gang signs for five minutes. Nobody else noticed that, apparently, grievous didn't notice it. Grievous did notice it, obviously. Well, he already knew and that's the thing about Grievous, he is a general. He is a general and it's like he's an idiot, but he's not stupid.
Speaker 1:Correct, like he had the jedi nailed down, he knew exactly what they were going to do. He knew that if, if kenobi shows up, he even said skywalker won't be far behind, right behind him. And sure enough, that's exactly what what we saw happen. So we had Anakin being Anakin in this episode. You know, this one's going to be pretty close. And Adi Galea said how close and he's like close enough to get the job done. And this motherfucker, I was like oh right, you were watching, you were like that's close, that's close. And then we've been in 3D. That should have been in 3d, that would have been awesome in 3d because they were I mean, they were right there on the fleet. Then we see kenobi and you know what?
Speaker 1:I don't think kenobi gets enough credit for being a complete and total fucking badass because he, he took it to grievous like lord grievous, onto the bridge of this cruiser or this escort ship, lord him on there and then stalled grievous, like he was holding back against grievous, yeah, so it's like how, how bad. I mean because Grievous is no joke, no Like at all. I mean, we saw him. He's also a big time cheater. So there's that. Yes, he is, he is a cheater. I mean, if he ain't cheating, he ain't trying, though I mean I get it, but because he has to, he has to he's not a cheater. He's not a cheater. The elements that are at his disposal in order to rid the galaxy of the corrupt Jedi who he blames for his disfigurement and all of this other stuff, which is not right. You say he's cheating. I say he's just being resourceful.
Speaker 3:Okay, wow.
Speaker 1:Agreed and disagreed.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to call it cheating, I will call it dishonorable contact combat. But what, oh? I like that I like that.
Speaker 1:That's not dishonorable. What's dishonorable? He just again. He just uses what he has to win the day. General grievous, my boy. He doesn't commit war crimes like the jedi do, at least what he's killing all kinds of people I?
Speaker 1:I haven't seen any evidence of that. Oh my god. Okay, he hasn't, really. I mean, there was that one time in the 2d series where he like wiped out that entire group of jedi but they attacked him first. To be fair, it was selfdefense, self-defense on the part of General Grievous. And he's been this poor guy. He's been duped, he's been taken for a ride by Dooku. He was mangled and disfigured by Dooku and then sold that lie that it was the Jedi that did it to him. I mean, he's been manipulated. You know he has PTSD.
Speaker 3:Of course, I feel bad for. For a boy, yeah, but it's duke who's fault?
Speaker 1:and he's following his orders like a dumbass, but he doesn't know that it's duke, who's fault? Okay, well, it was the guy that rescued him. But I, I, but I also like the fact that he's he's not in it for the politics. He doesn't care about the politics, doesn't care about, about the Republic. I want to kill Jedi. Yes, I mean, that's a singular focus. I admire that. I wish I could have that kind of focus in my life. I didn't want to kill Jedi. I don't care about anything else. Oh, just okay, just Jedi. I mean I don't want to kill anybody else. I mean I like, I mean and if I do, I probably shouldn't say that I like some of them kenobi again, 100 kenobi's the bomb and we're gonna learn. We're gonna learn some more things about kenobi as we go on through through this week's uh episode of the show. So, tony, what I love on him, I'm just saying I, I would love, I mean he's very charming. Oh, um, we do have to give our thoughts and prayers.
Speaker 1:We did did lose Airlock Trooper. We lost him. It was harsh and I feel bad because we do know through other episodes that he will survive out there for a little while. So I'm hoping. I'm hoping that maybe someone got him. But I don't think so. I don't think because everything was fucking blowing up and everyone was focused on, uh, you know, getting master cough out of there. And so, thoughts and prayers, airlock trooper so named by you, sherry sherry, you're the one that named, I love it. And then, and then we have the pilots. They tried to get out of there. They weren't aware that their engines were blown the fuck up. They're like, oh, the controls are frozen. And then after that it's like, oh, I can't. And then they're done. Yeah, thoughts and prayers, I mean, that's a harsh way to die. So, tony, thoughts and feelings, this episode, what do you think?
Speaker 2:so my first thoughts. I'm gonna go in order of what we see on the screen here. Uh, first things first. Yeah, this is my first time at least seeing these new commando droids.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh no you've seen them before you saw them in season one when they attacked that listening outpost. Remember we had we had okay field trooper who got eaten, yeah, but that was that was, I think, the first time we saw, but so you have seen them before.
Speaker 2:Okay. So, considering that these things are so much more capable, why do we have battle droids if these things exist I mean seriously Cheaper- to make, yeah, money.
Speaker 1:It always comes down to the money, the money. That's crazy.
Speaker 2:Secondly, so they send this message. Grievous sends a message over showing that he's captured this guy. Why are there younglings in the room watching that? I don't think they were. Why were they there in the first place? You knew all this happening.
Speaker 1:I don't think they were expecting to see a Jedi master being tortured by Grievous. So I mean it doesn't matter, because those, those poor younglings, give a couple of years, they're going to be, you know, Anakin's going to go ahead and take care of them.
Speaker 3:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:And then, lastly, did they ever name the woman Jedi that went with them?
Speaker 3:Yes, adi Galea.
Speaker 1:What was it? Jedi Master Adi Galea, I believe, is her name.
Speaker 3:Yes, we see her in live action too, and they did it in the. When they came out of the tube, he said her name.
Speaker 1:Okay, you're right, though I don't think we got it until the very end, like I don't think. I don't recall them saying it so, but we do. I mean she's, she's like a tertiary jedi. We do get a little bit more from her, but uh, she's cool. She's got a great story. She's got a great backstory too, but we'll we'll find out a little bit more about her, but she wasn't featured as much as she should have.
Speaker 2:She's a really cool character um, otherwise, uh, this episode was just a lot of fun for all the action and everything. Um, yeah, again, seeing these commando droids really in action and like being legit fighters as opposed to as opposed to what the battle droids are, as opposed to what the battle droids are Very fun to see. That being said, I mean the overall storyline to me. Just, there's not a lot there to go on. Okay, he captured this guy. He's torturing him. We're not really sure exactly for what. Like, if his goal is just to kill, like, does this guy have information that would help him? I mean, they don't really dive into that.
Speaker 1:Uh, no, they did it to lord jedi. He because, yeah, he, he talked about that that was, that was a trap. I mean, he he knew because pouring them in, yeah, because, remember, when he was, when, uh, when they first jumped into the system, when the republic ships jumped into the system, when the Republic ships jumped into the system, grievous told Koth. He said, ah, they've come to rescue you, just as I knew they would. So he knew that they were coming. I don't think that he knew they were coming that hard with Kenobi and Skywalker, but he was ready for them.
Speaker 2:To me. They mentioned that this guy is on the council, so maybe he has some more valuable information that makes him a better target. They just don't really dive much into that, it's just the okay. Well, you picked this guy. If your whole goal is to kill, you're not actually killing him, you're just keeping him around. But you haven't really explained much of why. But it's fine.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. I think that Dooku may have instructed him to capture high-level Jedi and then bring him back to squeeze information. Because you're absolutely right, tony. I mean, he being a member of the Jedi Council, he is a high value target and he would know quite a bit, of course. But, like Grievous said, he doesn't give a fuck, he doesn't care about your intel, he doesn't care about the war, he doesn't care about anything other than dead Jedi and he's using cough so he can get some more dead Jedi. But you're right, I mean, they didn't really.
Speaker 2:They just kind of they infer that, but they don't really talk about it even suspect, like, like, just have you know, a minute of, like do give and grieve is the instruction to do it, and why? Like that would go a long way, but I agree. Um, overall I enjoyed the episode. Um, because of that, you know, a little bit of lack of meaning, it loses a little bit for me, so but I'm still gonna give it a four out of five okay, all right, that's fair, that's fair, all right.
Speaker 1:Sherry, what are you thinking about this week's episode?
Speaker 3:no, um, it's, it's a good episode. Um, it's fine. I like the action. Um, I love kenobi because he's hot, but, um, I'll say a four. Yeah, I'll give it a four. Um, I'm trying to think, yeah, no, it was just mostly the action, obviously. I like General Grievous. I think he's a fun character, especially when he comes with his four lightsabers. I like his fights out and his little crab walk when he's running away, which is pretty funny. He's just like yeah yeah, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:That's spider crab.
Speaker 3:Grievous is fucking ridiculous but it's, you know, it works for him, um, but yeah, so no, that's yeah for okay yeah, I, and I agree with both of you.
Speaker 1:I think it was just a fun action-packed episode. I mean it's part. You know it's a two-parter, so I mean it. This is the setup. But the two like to be honest.
Speaker 1:I, you know I'm jumping ahead a little bit but although this was a two-part episode that does take place around, like the capture of grievous, it didn't feel like a story arc. It just it really did feel like two separate, individual episodes that didn't really have anything to do with each other. They were just thinly held together by this we've got to capture grievous thing. So they could have done it as two separate episodes. I mean it is, but it still came out as an arc.
Speaker 1:But what I did really like about this was we're seeing more of the relationship and that rivalry between Grievous and Kenobi. We're seeing that really start to develop more. When we do finally see Grievous and Kenobi at the end of episode three I believe it was, you know, we we get that there was some kind of a buildup between the two of them because Kenobi was hell bent on capturing Grievous. And now and we're starting to see more of why because we very rarely do we see kenobi disappointed in himself. He's usually always a little disappointed in anakin, but very rarely do we see him disappointed in himself. But he was legitimately really being hard on himself for yeah well I think he was pissed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think he was pissed.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think he was pissed off and I think, really, I think General Grievous was hoping that it was Kenobi and he probably knew it was going to be Kenobi to come after him. I think he likes the because he can actually fight with him. You know what I mean, like it's not just a quick fight and you're going to die Right, you really have to work for it. Um, even though he I don't, even though he cheats, but but um, couldn't he adapt? Uh, kenobi kicks ass. I mean damn, I mean he kicked his ass, he did and held back, and held back, and held back.
Speaker 3:So yeah, kenobi's a bad, no doubt but you can tell in the second one when we start talking about the other one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, about the other one I get and and now that you had mentioned it, sherry, I you know when you talk about grievous almost needing Kenobi as that true worthy opponent. It almost gives me Batman and Joker vibes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because it's like one really isn't anything without the other.
Speaker 3:I don't think it's that way for Kenobi.
Speaker 1:But Grievous is definitely kenobi's white whale, uh, for sure. I mean he gotta catch that motherfucker. He has to, he's and he's, but he's, he's, he's obsessed with catching grievous not overly, so I mean he doesn't get in. You know, like, like, anakin is obsessed with catching and killing everybody, like all the time. I mean, you know, anakin is the embodiment of obsession, yeah there is, of course, but that's I like that.
Speaker 3:This wasn't focused on anakin. Yes, I agree, we actually. Yeah, I like that. They're, you know they're, they're taking parts from everybody and not just focusing solely on anakin and and ahsoka, which I love. I love them both.
Speaker 1:But but up to this point, we have been getting a lot of anakin and ahsoka. Yes, up to this point. So I agree with you it was very nice to get a little more obi-wan, because he is he's smooth man, he's a smooth criminal.
Speaker 3:I like that. He is the master, I mean he's, and he's so talented.
Speaker 1:He is and I don't think he gets enough credit. I can't wait to talk about him once we get to the Kenobi series. I can't wait to talk I'm going to. There's so much, anyway.
Speaker 1:So, moving on Episode 10, the Deserter, which is my absolute favorite episode in the entire, in the entire clone wars series, my 100 favorite, or 100 favorite episode, um, because we get to see rex. Anything with rex and it is is exciting for me, um, but we, but we get to. We get to see two different sides of this fight, of this war. We get to see the humanity of the clone troopers. We get to see that they're not just these mindless soldiers following orders. They have thoughts and fears and feelings and wants and needs, and we really get to see this.
Speaker 1:And we get to see cut lequane take on a name and a persona that he wanted, without any outside interference. You know, I mean you could argue that yes, he's a deserter. You know, rex called him a coward in the beginning, you know, and then at the end he was like, yeah, you're not a coward, that's for sure. You're still a deserter, but you're not a coward, correct? And and I do like that he doesn't. Rex does not shit on cut at the end. You know we do. We do see him say you know what? You know, cut was like rex, you could stay here with the fam and he's at. My family is elsewhere. That. That got me choked up a little bit, because he's rex, is all about his brothers, that is his family.
Speaker 1:So, and another reason this is my favorite is because cut got himself a cutie like what, what? Like she is a snack. She is. I mean, not only did you find yourself a cute little Twileek out in the middle of fucking nowhere, but you know she comes with some kids. Those are not his children, you know, but you know. So you know he's picking up where somebody else left off. I mean that's all right, but he's able to provide a father figure. So I know. So you know he's picking up where somebody else left off. I mean that's all right, but he's able to provide a father figure. So I mean that's good, he's being a good, responsible dad. And I am convinced that Sue, the wife, is, either she is a Jedi or she does have the force in some way, because she used it to keep that top on through the entire episode. You're so stupid.
Speaker 3:That's what he said. When we were watching it.
Speaker 1:I was like Jesus Christ, there is no other explanation in the laws of physics that would explain why that girl's titties stayed in those slings. It's called tape. There's no tape in Star.
Speaker 2:Wars. The very first note that I have on this episode is Sue is both drawn and voiced very well.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, she's got that little french accent like she's super cute, but yeah, and we get to see more of her later on, so uh, but I was like, cut, that's my boy, if I can see my dad like yeah well, I mean, in this episode, when we were even watching it, I was like I really like that they all the clones are most, you know, the ones we've seen anyway um, have their own personality. Yes, and how cut was surprised by a name. Yeah, because he was like, well, what's your number, captain? Like he knew he was a captain and he's like, well, it's captain rex, I have a name too, okay. Well then, then you can't shit on me, dude, like you can't shit on me if you got a name. Like that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:And you cut your hair and dye it. You're out there fucking looking like Cisco and shit, or Eminem You've got that Eminem haircut. But, yes, he wants his individuality. He's going to do his duty, of course, individuality. He's still. He's gonna do his duty, of course, yes, but he has his individuality. And, like you said, we see jesse, we see kicks. Jesse's got that badass republic tattoo on his face. And then what is what is kick out, kicks, kicks has the. It's a good droid is a dead one I love it.
Speaker 3:That's what it says on the side of his head, and he's the medic and he's like dead droids. He's still a warrior.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, medic or not and I like that we got.
Speaker 3:We got to see these named clone troopers and they didn't die usually, oh my god, and when they, when he said the names, the first thing that I came out of my mouth oh well, they're dead that I?
Speaker 1:yep, that was the first. Well, I guess you said I guess we're gonna lose jesse and kicks today no, but jesse just yeah, jesse, and kicks we do get to see more of them, so that's good. They're not.
Speaker 3:That's not the last time we see them, so they're yeah, but yeah, I thought this episode, I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, you know, but you can again in this one, you. So you see obi-wan, like we're going down, we're going down there, we're going to find general grievous, and you could see like how he's standing on the bridge when they show that shot of him on the ship and he's just like like we're doing this.
Speaker 1:He's pissed and then at the end, when he was when grievous gets away from him on on the ship. Well, he was. You could see it, and I love that they animated that. It's like you could see it in his face. He was just like, oh geez yeah, they.
Speaker 3:They do such good animation for their faces and we were talking about that too. I just it was a good episode. I can see why it's your favorite, and Cut is awesome. I hope all of them at one point get to do that so be free, be free.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at one point, get to do that. So, yeah, I, you know, be free, be free. Yeah, that's, you know, because they, they served, they served their their republic. You know, and and and, hearing cut story, you know, I mean it's like, yes, he ran, but what was his choice? He knew he was going to get killed, so what? He didn't abandon his brothers. No, oh he's, he stayed as long as he could, and then, and then he, so I, I wouldn't even say that, I wouldn't even call him a deserter. He just didn't come back. I mean, I know that, yes, that is desertion, but you know, but he, I mean, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't leave. Sue, either, I'm sorry, go ahead, arrest me. I guess I ain't coming back, I ain't coming back, I ain't coming back, I'm good. And I do think that you're right, sherry, I don't think that clones can reproduce.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I would think that would be one thing they would take away from them, engineered out of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know if they can reproduce, but you know. So if, if that is, if that is the case, then to find this beautiful, tough woman with these two children, knowing that you can't have kids, but now you do have children that you can father, yes, he's, he's living the dream. For him, anyway, he's living his dream, you know right. So I love it. They, they do touch on ptsd a little bit. I like that. You know, talk when, when cut, you could see on his face and then you know we get a shot of rex and rex is just like you know it's he gets not, he gets it. I, I, we. We do get more about ptsd in this series, but they really do go into it more. Once we hit rebels, they talk, talk about it more.
Speaker 3:So it was a great episode there's there's still humans. It's not like these are robots, they're still freaking humans. So but and the fight scene when, when they accidentally turned on those poor kids right, and when they turned on, what were they? They're the, the command commando droids yeah but both of them kicked 20. Commando droids ass. Yeah, 20, yeah, protecting his family and cut, took it to him.
Speaker 1:Rex was getting those headshots. I love it. I love it. This is this is my favorite episode. I have a favorite arc later on it's it's umbara. That's much later I'm just saying but when we get to the the umbara arc, uh, break out the tissues. I'm just saying break them out because we're all crying. And I hope that we film that, because every I've I've seen the Umbara arc a few times I'll go back and I'll watch it, just because it's so good.
Speaker 3:So what did you think of this one, Tony?
Speaker 2:Because this was pretty good, so I will go ahead and give the rating right off the bat. This is definitely five out of five and obviously I don't have the future knowledge that you do, but I'm going to agree with you so far that this is my best episode.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Now, as far as my particular notes, we mentioned, the clones are still human beings, and there's a conversation between Cut and Rex where Rex is like you swore an oath to the Republic, and it's like, yeah, but if the clones were bred specifically to do this thing, they weren't given a choice. And so to me, I don't care that you swore an oath this thing. They weren't given a choice, and so to me.
Speaker 2:I don't care that you swore an oath. Essentially, that's saying you agreed to be a slave. No, that's not how that works. You can't.
Speaker 1:They were born into it.
Speaker 2:It really makes you think about how fucked up is the Republic for even having a clone army if this is how it's going to be done yeah, it's like getting drafted.
Speaker 3:I as a vet, I don't consider I when they're angry about what happened to them. It hits a little different when, when they were drafted, when you join, you join, you sign the dotted line. I get it. You volunteered. But so, yeah, I just talked about this at the hospital with a vet. We, we were talking about that, but yeah, so, yeah, they were made, they were forced to do it.
Speaker 1:You know, and they were, they were indoctrinated.
Speaker 2:I want to give a shout out. It's the first instance I'm sorry, tony, go ahead please. Uh, I do want to give a shout out to uh, to a voice actor for this one um the younger child I heard that voice in my mind, immediately went back to my childhood because that voice Rugrats, yeah, wait who is it Kath Soucy? I think is how you say it. I was getting ready. Kath Soucy. She voiced one of the Rugrat twins.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I heard that voice right away. Wait, wait, wait. I know that voice Hang on, so I had to go back and look that up. A couple of other interesting things for me. I am very curious to see if, long-term, we see Rex contemplate more on his interaction with Cut and if that affects how he leads his team, because I do think that there could be some lasting effects of that and I'm interested to see that. And then the ending sequence. As far as that subplot is concerned, where the kids accidentally activate the droids, I have some questions here because, like droids by definition follow programming. They woke up and just randomly decided to attack these children and it doesn't seem like they had, like they had, cut down. He was trapped under debris. They didn't choose to kill him, instead they kept going up the stairs after the film like I think they're going after rex which, which?
Speaker 2:if that's the case, okay, that makes sense. But how did they know he was even there?
Speaker 1:they're probably programmed to have some kind of sensor. You know actually, you know what. It's entirely possible that they're able to sense the uh, the, the chips that they have, because they do have those implants.
Speaker 2:So when order 66 happens, maybe that would make sense, except cut would have one of those two.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and they didn't yeah, yeah, I think it was just. It's supposed to be a dramatic scene, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like and all of that's fine. It makes for good suspense and everything else. But it triggers in my mind that, wait, that doesn't quite make sense.
Speaker 1:Right, they had cut right there. They could have easily sauced them, and that would have been it.
Speaker 3:It's that good old plot, armor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, basically, basically, basically, or they were just story, or maybe you know the the the immediate threat was rex, because rex was still armed. So maybe they're able to, I don't know, okay, but that was armed. He's not but no, but I get it t.
Speaker 3:Tony, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1:It's just one of those little things you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was interesting. I guess the big thing for me is that, like I know, it's the title of the episode the Deserter, yes, but to your point, like this is essentially the second part of a two-part story going back to the previous episode, part of a two-part story for going back to the previous episode and yet to my mind, the entire chase of kenobi going after grievous, that's the b storyline, that's not the a like, and by the end of it I don't, I barely even care about the fact that that was even going on. I'm more focused on this interaction between Rex and Cut and his family than I am with that.
Speaker 1:I agree that was a story, I agree. So, overall, what are your thoughts on the episode? What are you giving it?
Speaker 2:He said five out of five. Yeah that's five out of five.
Speaker 3:I give it a five.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm going to have to give it a six. A six out of five, it's one to five man, One to five. I got to go six because of Sue's force abilities.
Speaker 3:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:All right, moving on, moving on. So next episode lightsaber lost. There's some very interesting little things, little tidbits, about this episode. We'll kind of run through this one because the next episode. I think we're going to talk a little bit more about that one because sherry actually came up with a very, very good observation that I missed the first time. I watched it dealing with dealing with the darksables. We're going to talk about that in a minute. So lightsaber lost I don't want to say it was a filler episode, but it was a growth episode for ahsoka. You know she's still learning, so she learned about patience in this one.
Speaker 1:But a couple interesting little facts about this one. The episode is based on a classic akira kurosawa film called stray dog and in that movie it revolves around a newly promoted japanese police detective who's attempting to recover his stolen pistol with the aid of a veteran investigator. So I thought that was cool. And of course, if you're not aware, the Star Wars franchise was basically born thanks to Akira Kurosawa's films. So George Lucas was a huge fan of Akira Kurosawa's films. So George Lucas was a huge fan of Akira Kurosawa samurai films.
Speaker 1:And the very first star Wars film, episode four, a new hope, was based off of the Akira Kurosawa film, the hidden fortress. So if you go back and watch that Akira Kurosawa film, you will definitely see the similarities because really, you know, if you think about it, star Wars is a samurai movie in space. I mean, the Jedi are very clearly obviously space samurai, so but I thought that was neat. I didn't know that. I learned that today about the movie the stray dog. So I I love that. So that's what this episode was based on. Also, if, if you go back and watch it and I didn't pick up on this, but there is like when they're in the hover train station, one of the destinations is for burbank, california, so I thought that was interesting and so does that mean if we wanted, like, really really do a deep cut and deep dive, does that mean that earth is, is canon, earth is an actual, legitimate place?
Speaker 1:now maybe, maybe maybe terra or gaia one of the two, but they wouldn't be burbank, but it's burbank no, but I'm saying like it would be terra.
Speaker 3:I usually in in the space, in space, even in modern times.
Speaker 2:They will refer to it yeah, it's really referred to as but but burbank is out there.
Speaker 1:So I'm just like oh, I know, I know the the writers do it as a joke, but for nerds, you know how we are, you know how we do. Nope, that's it. That's canon, you made it. That means burbank exists in star wars.
Speaker 1:It's like when people talking about, like the, the, uh, the extraterrestrials you know we see. Well, we see in a few weeks, but we see the ets in the senate, in the senate, um, we see them there. And in the movie ET. When ET sees someone dressed up like Yoda a little kid dressed up like Yoda he points and says, um, so clearly, clearly, modern earth exists. Yes, all right, so anyway.
Speaker 1:So, episode again. It was, uh, you know, a growth episode for ahsoka. We do see ahsoka using some of anakin's tactics, um, much, much to the dismay of her, her veteran, you know, counterpart there, yeah, he told her to calm down. He's like, so got you know, calm down for a second. He did, he did, I like she, she lied to annie about the whole situation. She kept that shit from him. So I thought that was interesting. My big question for this episode, um, and then I'll shut the fuck up my bit my big question for this episode is shouldn't the jedi be able to sense their lightsabers? There's a whole ritual and ordeal that you have. Making a lightsaber is not an easy process. I mean that shit could literally blow up and kill you if you don't do it right. They're supposed to have a connection and and they're attuned to it. So shouldn't. But, to be fair, ahsoka has a problem with focus, and we've seen that, so maybe she wasn't able to focus clearly, like what was his name the older Jedi that was with her.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Anube.
Speaker 1:Was it Anube, sinube, sinube, right, sinube? So like when he told her to relax and you'll feel the others anxiety. Calm your anxiety, you'll feel others, which is a great message for this episode and we can all take that to heart. Yes, I still feel like and maybe that's the point is that she she wasn't able to calm and get and achieve that focus, so she wasn't able to sense.
Speaker 3:You know what, now that you say that about lightsabers, this whole time we've been watching all these shows not once as that came up. So is that canon that they go out? Because to me, somebody just handed her a freaking lightsaber I mean she's.
Speaker 1:No, they construct they. That is canon. They do construct. They have to find their own crystals.
Speaker 3:So why wouldn't they? I think that would bea whole episode just trying to find. I think that would be a great episode. I agree with you.
Speaker 2:I think there wasn't a correct from wrong, Tommy, because I know you know the history of this better than I do. This is part of the younglings training to become a padawan is building their own saber yes, but they have training sabers though, too.
Speaker 1:I think they're given training sabers, and once they become um, once they're actually, they become a padawan. I think that's when they actually build their own lightsabers, and they and you end up building and rebuilding new lightsabers throughout your, your jedi career. But I think the younglings are just given, like they just have, a box of training sabers hanging around. That way they don't kill each other yeah um, or or. Or are able to defend themselves from rogue jedi masters who come to slaughter them later on.
Speaker 1:Um yes okay, so thoughts, yeah, so thoughts on this episode uh, this episode it was.
Speaker 3:It was a filler. It was a fun filler. I do like to watch the progression of Ahsoka and I like that. He's basically getting trained by multiple masters. Yes, Because Anakin is not I don't want to say he's not a great master, but he's, he's absentee, he's out. I mean they, they no, no, it's not about that. It's emotionally. Emotionally, because she is picking up some of his shitty habits. Some of them are okay, but the other Jedi, because anakin is a young master. Jedi, yeah, he's.
Speaker 1:He's a new man he's new, he's a baby, he's like early 20s. At this point, I think right.
Speaker 3:So he's straight up a baby. So I do like that. We see that, because obviously when we see Ahsoka later you kind of understand where she got all her different outlooks. I guess to be a Jedi I love it and I knew like as soon as she pointed him out to her, or the the librarian poured in him out to her, I knew damn well, this was going to be a learning process for a server.
Speaker 1:Another lesson episode for a soak. Come on, Gramps, you know Right and yeah.
Speaker 3:I need to learn patience and I think it was an emotional episode and it teaches us emotionally Like you know what you need to like sometimes just sit. Yeah, slow down, slow down, slow down, close your eyes, listen to your own heartbeat and and and fix some of the anxiety that we have yeah at least that that's what I took from it.
Speaker 3:So I'm gonna I mean I'm gonna give this one a four only because, um, I know it's like a filler, but I did like the story and I did like the chase scene that was freaking epic oh man, they were doing parkour all over the place. So and it showed a lot of strength for Ahsoka. I mean, we really saw. I mean she, just she has no fear either. The one she was chasing didn't. But damn, I mean damn, ahsoka would just jump in and she's 14 years old. 14 years old, no fear. That's what she gets from anakin. Yes, that's what she that is the positive she gets from anakin no fear no fear.
Speaker 3:I mean, she has fear, but not, I don't know, I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 1:There was she yeah, she has fear, but it's not like she's. She overcomes it, she's able to really get around it. There was a scene that I really liked. That really showed her vulnerability. To like when she, when she straight up lost old girl the, the Django jumper. She just sat there holding her legs and she just looked so sad, like I've just disappointed everyone. I'm going to have to tell Anakin about. I mean it's just she looked so defeated but then obviously was able to turn it around.
Speaker 3:I like it well, that's, that's her child, like right, exactly, exactly. We don't see that a lot with her because she's trying to be, always be powerful and awesome. She's made to be, she has to be, she has to be.
Speaker 1:But she could be vulnerable with this master and I think that was good it was nice to see that side of her, to see that that young, disappointed teenage side she was able to be that. That was good, tony I agree, uh.
Speaker 2:So yes, this is a filler episode, that being said, and we've made the point already, but, um, it's nice to see an episode where it's not life or death, it's just hey, here's a circumstance that happened and we're going to learn from it. So sometimes that change of pace, that lack of relevance, is a nice change of pace. I love Master Sanube, absolutely love him. He's great, he's got dad jokes, he has. But you know, one of my notes very early on in the episode is Master Sanube with the dad jokes. Yet he's got a wisdom that reminds me of Yoda.
Speaker 2:And at the end of the episode we actually get to see Yoda, okay, so that's cool and it's something that I think we lose a little bit of in our society too. Is that? Yeah, like when we first see this guy it kind of seems like, okay, you know, old, doddering old man, you know they're not putting him out to pasture, but they're not giving him anything to do. And he even says you says it's been a long time since I've had an active mission. Boy is still capable. He's got a cane saber. That is awesome. Yoda needs to get one of those Right, that's badass.
Speaker 1:He beat that girl with that cane. He knocked her the fuck out with the back of the hand. He handled himself with his lightsaber too.
Speaker 2:I will say we started the classic fight on top of a moving vehicle, but I was pleasantly surprised to see that they smartly decided to fight inside the train instead. Yeah, which was nice, because usually you see that battle continue on and you're like all right, well, something dumb is about to happen, let's see how it goes. Unfortunately I noticed it, I don't know how many other people did there's a point where during the chase, ahsoka ends up kind of hanging on a moving billboard essentially. But it's Palpatine who's talking and I went back and listened to it a couple different times trying to get the sense of what he's saying. It's a interesting bit of propaganda come from him, the interesting little bit of storyline.
Speaker 1:They don't have more power yeah, he's asking for more control. He's like we have to control more. We need to get more troops out there. Of course you do, you motherfucker so I thought that was good.
Speaker 2:Um, I will overall give the episode a four out of five. Um, yeah it's, it's a lot of fun. Um, but we'll still fairly lighthearted at the end of the day and for what's again supposedly a kid's show, that's a nice change of pace.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it was a good episode. I think it was a solid episode. You know, again, maybe it had a little filler vibe to it, but I I still think it's like, could this episode not exist? Yes, yes, but what is it worth a watch? Absolutely, yeah, it's a fun and it's a and it's a break from the combat, combat, combat all the time. Sometimes we just need some fun swashbuckling action. And again, Sherry, like you said, I think that's a great observation. She has multiple teachers. That really well balanced jedi or not a jedi, that we we do come to know her as and and I feel you know what, it's very interesting because her nope, never mind, no, I'll say anything, but you notice that, like because she has the most, she's the only one getting this treatment that we see anyway.
Speaker 3:obviously you don't see other Padawans hanging out with Anakin or Obi-Wan. Oh God.
Speaker 1:That was weird.
Speaker 3:Okay, something was weird in my headphones.
Speaker 2:A little bit of an audio quirk at the moment there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know what the hell happened.
Speaker 1:Do you think that is? Do you think that, her being anakin's padawan, they're adopting this? It takes a village to raise a child attitude with her because maybe we don't need to have her solely being trained by anakin. Maybe they understand that he's young and he's troubled and so they're trying to fill in gaps. Do you think that's my design? Or is it just because they're babysitting her while she's at the temple, so she might as well learn some shit while Anakin's off?
Speaker 3:No, I don't, I think it's, um, I think Yoda has a hand in that, to be honest. Okay, that's fair, I like that, I really do, because he can see. Even. He even says what is it the darkness I see? Or something with Anakin, like he can't see beyond his future, so there. So I think, because of that, he's trying to be hopeful that Anakin doesn't return, but I think he knows damn well it's going to happen. So there's a limit to giving him a Padawan, and I think this Padawan was the best choice, obviously because she's been using the Force, since she was literally crawling, you know, using the force and she was literally crawling, so, um, so I think that's why hers is a little different with Anakin and, and he has all these- Jedis placed in her life.
Speaker 3:And you know, keep that that that started.
Speaker 1:That's got me thinking what if everything you say I agree with? So what if this is like you said? Maybe Yoda knows, he knows damn well that he's going to turn. So maybe we're trying to equip Ahsoka with what she needs to keep him from turning, or to keep him, or to bring him back if he does turn. So I don't know, that's a really interesting theory. I like that, I think. But you know, things happen the way they happen as we know. But maybe they're just grooming her to be you know his balance, to bring him back because he does listen to her and they do compliment he does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, episode 12, the mandalorian plot. This is the first episode in a three part arc, so looking forward to seeing the rest of this um. So a couple of a couple of little interesting tidbits about this show. Uh, dave Filoni spoke about um. This was the introduction of Mandalorians in um, in Canon. Basically, you know we're, you know, the only other time that we've seen Mandalorians has been Django and Boba. So other than that we've gotten mandalorians has been django and boba. So other than that, we've gotten all of our mandalorian content from the expanded universe, which, of course, became decanonized, if that's an actual word, I don't know um. So this is our introduction. This is the official introduction to mandalorian culture as we have now have known it to become um, and it's very interesting the bits and pieces that have been taken from the eu in order to draw on this and populate all of the. You know this new content.
Speaker 1:So dave filoni said this um in his words. Dave said this is how george has always envisioned the Mandalorians. Of course, people immediately think of the iconic Fett armor because that's all we've had to go on for so many years. It's mysterious and we've built up that mystique as fans. But Boba and Django Fett aren't necessarily what I would consider accurate representation, representations of the Mando culture. They're bounty hunters and outlaws totally rogue.
Speaker 1:If you go way back to the original concepts, the Mandalorians were a group of super commando troops. It's only now that George is really bringing that to the screen. They're in the series because he wanted to define their culture, to explore the foundations of this warrior faction. So I really like hearing that. That you know, even though this was, you know, something that dave brought to us. It was through george um and it was Jango Fett. I was like he's a pretender, he's not a real Mandalorian, he's some scumbag outlaw who's got Mandalorian armor. I don't even know how he got it. So they know about the Fetts but they completely disavow them as Mandalorians, which does go along with what we've heard from George. George himself has said I never said that they were Mandalorians. He has said that himself. He said that he never they had Mandalorian armor. He never said that.
Speaker 1:However, when we do watch the Mandalorian TV series, there is some things that may contradict that as well when we see, when we see when boba fett is on scene and we see his chain code and all that. So there's still some mystique surrounding the fetts, which I like. So there's still some mystery as to boba fett's. You know his true origins, you know. And django fettx true origins. So I I do like that. So that's what he said, um, about mandalorian culture and how we're experiencing now and I was very excited to read that also the elongated shape of the mandalorian helmets in the clone wars, um was inspired by character in the star wars holiday special.
Speaker 1:So if you get, the holiday special is a work of art, it is on many levels, genius, but the. The animated short about boba fett was very cool, um, but his, his, the, the concept, the designs of the mandalorians that we see in the Clone Wars. Of course, it's all stylized in this animation. Anyway, it was inspired by that. Also, the character design for Duchess Satine and her royal guards were based on abandoned character design concepts for the Phantom Menace. So the stuff that she wears is basically hand-me-down clothing from Queen Amidala. This is stuff that didn't is basically hand-me-down clothing clothing from queen amidala. This is stuff that that didn't make it on screen, but it was part of concept uh illustrations, um, and the royal guard designs were concept uh experiments with the sith. So, oh, okay you're getting.
Speaker 1:They're getting the hand-me-down stuff, but it should. It should be noted too, which is interesting, is that a lot of the stuff that we are going to see throughout the clone wars and rebels, a lot of that inspiration does come from concept artwork. So these are just abandoned designs that never made it to screen, but now they're drawing inspiration from that and there's we will see it a lot in rebels, but we are going to see it a bit more showing up in um the clone wars. There's a couple of bounty hunters that have, um, early boba fett designed helmets. So these were helmets that were initially, you know, sketched up concept for what boba fett would eventually look like, um, but they're really not the the menacing t-visor that we see now. So, but dave and his crew were like, okay, well, that still is a very cool looking helmet, let's use it for this guy, or, you know, and all these things. So it's I like the recycling and it's, you know, also, it does it pays tribute to these artists that worked hard to come up with these designs and now their designs won't be forgotten and they're brought into canon now and I think that that's beautiful. Okay, I love that. So all right. So, anyway, getting on to it.
Speaker 1:So there's a lot going on in this episode. There's a lot, a lot of stuff to unpack. We're seeing this pacifist mandalorian society, completely contradictory to what we've known and learned up to this point about mandalorians. Um, you know, we find out that all of the mandalorian warriors have been shipped off to concordia, like and you're just like this totally peaceful, just pacifist culture now, and it's like wait what, what's happening? But then you still see and I thought this was a nice touch but throughout all the architecture you still see the mandalorian iron heart, that, the chest diamond you'll see on mandalore. That's just prevalent, that's everywhere and it's on the fucking carpet, it's on the wall, it's in the windows, it's everywhere. It's very, very cool. Um, so we, we start to see this, this, the growth of this idea of it's like you're mandalorian because you're born on mandalore, which makes you a mandalorian, but you're not necessarily mandalorian, you know it's like I had no idea that he even had a peaceful society.
Speaker 3:I mean what we've, you know, watched and seen and learned. Right, I had no idea about this at all right.
Speaker 1:So and like when, like your introduction to mandalorian culture really came from the tv series, the mandalorian series. So, and then you know when, in that series, when we go to mandalore, you know along with it's busted. But again, there's really no indication that they were at one point like this nonviolent. You know Well, they didn't even talk about it in the show.
Speaker 3:So I thought that was weird. I mean, wouldn't you talk about, like oh, one time when we were peaceful? I mean, I don't know, they probably don't want to talk about it, but it wasn't even that long ago, but anyway, You're right, it wasn't.
Speaker 1:It wasn't that long ago, but anyway it, you're right, it wasn't. It wasn't that long ago, like during the Mandalorian timeline, I think that's like 30 years after the Clone Wars, something like that.
Speaker 2:Really, it's like Less than a word ABY, but not by much.
Speaker 3:Right, like, where did these people go? I mean, there's no way everybody just turned into mandalorians and this went everywhere. Where's all the peaceful?
Speaker 1:the night of a thousand years that we're living.
Speaker 1:Oh, they all died the night of a thousand tears, because remember, like when we, when you and we'll see that, the scenes of mandalore, we'll see that, yeah, but when we're seeing, when we're flying in to the city, I I don't know what this city is called. I know in the eu, like the capital city of mandalore was kel dabe. I don't remember if that's the name of this dome, I don't remember, um, but also, like you see that, like right now, the planet appears to be just busted. It's just white sand, desert everywhere, and then there's they're living in these domes, but that's only one part of the planet. The planet has you know, I get it.
Speaker 3:I get it, but it's just I don't know. It was kind of a little bit of a it's a shock right no, I don't want to say shock. I actually I feel bad saying this. I thought that was dumb, that was dumb.
Speaker 1:Okay, no, don't feel bad. That's why we're here, that's why that's exactly why it's okay to say that, and because and you know what, and you're just this is the beauty of our show right here because you're not going to be attacked for saying that that's dumb for you and your opinion that's dumb.
Speaker 3:I didn't like it and that's the whole point of our show. I know that's the artists, that's what they're doing. This is their story. I totally understand that. But with all I know about mandalore or mandalorians obviously because you know, um been in the mandalorians for a while, but all that I know about them this just came out of nowhere for me. Like I was like peaceful, what the hell is this shit? Like I I just thought there was mandalorians and then there was the death watch, because I thought there was you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like I thought there was two, the religious side, and then death watch but now I think now you're seeing that the death watch, like what we see in the mandalorian tv show, that's the death watch. The, the people that rescued dinah darren, that's the death watch. The death watch saved his life during the during the clone wars but this they're.
Speaker 1:That's some nasty shit so, yes, yes, the Death Watch is some nasty. They are extremists for sure. There's no doubt about it. I understand why. I just they're like the Mandalorian, they're like the Taliban. Basically they're the extremists, they're the purest, they're like. We want to return to our purest Mandalorian warrior roots. And if Star Wars has taught us anything, it's like believing in any extreme good or bad is not good. You know, like, if we're like, we see the extreme light side with the jedi, we see the extreme dark side of the sith, and it doesn't work out for either of them. And no, the death has to be a middle ground, has to be a middle ground. So you know, we we can't have complete and total pacifism because that's still not at the root core of Mandalorian culture and society. They're forcing that. But then what happens is when you force that kind of mentality on a warrior people, then you get these splinter groups like Death Watch that become extremists. So the balance is coming. Balance to the Mandalorian, yeah, yeah I mean that's the thing.
Speaker 3:They should have been part of their military anyway, and they probably they should have still had a military, even though they were keeping the peace, but and then maybe kept them in their society and not ship them off to some moon I mean the hell I'd be mean too yeah, so there is.
Speaker 1:So now there's this, this whole thing. It's like you're mandalorian, but are you mandalorian? So there's, you know there's, there's that, that shit going on the death watch. They are nasty customers. They are really, really nasty customers. For sure, we also witnessed, and for me it's the first time I've ever seen a suicide take place in a cartoon. You know, in a cartoon for children, we saw someone take their own life. Is it for children, though? Well, you know, for ages 12 and up? Yeah, it's not Young Jedi Adventures, but I mean it's, you know, for ages ages 12 and up. Yeah, yeah, it's not young jedi adventures, but I mean it's. You know, we, we saw this guy.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, right. So we saw this guy self-sauced, self-sauced, he self-sauced, yeah and uh, but he died hard too we refer to that as marinating okay, so he marinated. He marinated well, no, because when you marinate there, you're coming back better yeah, yeah, no, he, he unalived, he unalived him.
Speaker 3:Oh god, don't say that. I hate that. I hate that. That's, that's a proper it's not fucking.
Speaker 1:You're not allowed to say death on social media homie, I'm alive. No, you died, you fucking died. I hate that. That's. That's tick-tock culture that's doing that. I'm gonna turn into grandpa for a minute because I and a lie. We can't even, we can't even say dead anymore, like why, anyway? So suicide on a kids show. I thought that was, that was a big deal. That's kind of important. It was they. They took that that jump, they took that leap to show that and uh, I think that right there kind of cements the fact that it's not just for kids. So you know, people always get shit on and I see this online.
Speaker 1:A lot People make fun of people who say that Star Wars, the Clone Wars, is a dark and gritty show. And you know they make fun of people who say, well, this is a kid's show but it's dark and gritty. And I think if you're making fun of other people, well, first of all, fuck you for making fun of people, for liking something the way that they like it. But also, you know this series and we've seen it so far. This series can be dark and, yes, it can be gritty, is it? Is it dark and gritty? Is it dark, like band of brothers or platoon or you know, like a really like hardcore war movie? No, of course not, but for something that is supposedly intended for kids 12 and up, pre-teens uh yeah, they're dealing with some pretty adult themes.
Speaker 3:Well, I think that's helpful emotionally for some teens that are going through um. You know the whole suicide thing. To be honest, I think that's like a teachable moment.
Speaker 1:Like you know, you don't have to do that to further your cause right, like if you, if you get so extreme, you know, if you, you know your belief system, you know, has you like having to kill yourself upon failure, then maybe that's not the healthiest belief system for you. Maybe that belief doesn't work in your favor. Like previously, he fucking, he fucking, capped one of his own boys for not catching obi-wan. Yeah, what the fuck he's like failure. Pew killed one of his own boys, that was fucked up, yeah I'm gonna fuck it was.
Speaker 1:It was totally fucked up. The other night I was watching um american gangster I don't know if you guys have seen this or not um denzel washington okay, so it's based on a true story. As I'm watching american gangster, I'm like all right, denzel, okay, you're, you're fucking gangster. You're, you got this all right, cool. But then he starts doing dumb shit and he starts shitting on the people around him and that's when things start to unravel. He starts really being a dick to the people that are in his inner circle, you know, and it's like motherfucker, just stop man. Like you're, you're good, you are the fucking, you're the king of harlem right now. Like, literally, you're bigger than.
Speaker 3:Oh, I watched this with you some of the end. I saw that, oh, okay yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's like you are the king of fucking harlem, my guy. Like you are on top of the. We're bigger than the mob, the italian mafia, at this point in the fucking I think 70s it was 70s or 80s and but you're, you're shitting. You know you're, you're shitting, you know you're, you're being mean to your brothers, your literal flesh and blood brothers, who came from South Carolina to come help you build this drug empire. You know you're just being a fucking dick to the people and that's, that's previous. That's what he's doing because he's so wrapped up in this idea of what mandalore should be, that any failure is is seen as weakness. But he failed himself. He failed. I mean, why don't you self-sauce dude what?
Speaker 2:tony, I'm just agreeing, he absolutely failed he failed.
Speaker 1:So now maybe one of your boys cap you, you fucking piece of shit. And you know what, sherry, tell them about the Darksaber, because you brought up a very good point that I didn't tell you before.
Speaker 3:So the thing about the Darksaber at least what I know of it is when you fight somebody that's using the Darksaber and you beat their ass, you get the Darksaber. It is now yours. Yes, that's a fact. Obi-wan beat their ass. You get the dark saber. It is now yours. Yes, that's a fact. Obi-wan beat his ass. It should be his now, does I mean? Obi-wan wouldn't want it because he's, he didn't care about that shit, but it should be his even now, because that's the first fight that we see he is the true owner of the Darksaber Tony.
Speaker 2:So in that fight, obi-wan disarmed him and I noticed that right away. I'm like all Obi-Wan has to do is force pull that saber to himself and he is the rightful owner of it. But the battle didn't end there and even though Vizsla walked away from it like yeah, like yeah, obi-wan won, but it's not even a slice of victory. I mean, that's the same thing as saying, well, he beat grievous because grievous had to run away, like no so it's not. It's not a defeat in those terms right?
Speaker 1:no, you're right. You're right, but visceral did push out and be like get, get him boys. He's kicking my ass, get him boys. What a bitch. He's such a Pre-Vistula's, a fucking little bitch.
Speaker 3:But that's what I'm saying. When he said that, get him boys, you are defeated right now, like I don't, you're defeated. And if Obi-Wan wasn't saving his girlfriend we'll talk about that later I don't think he knew. Obviously Obi-Wan doesn't know anything about the Darth Saber Because he would have forced it to him and been like, well, I'm keeping this shit, it's cool, but Obi-Wan is better than that. He's better than that.
Speaker 2:Honestly, and I have it in my notes here. Like I said, I saw it right away. He disarmed him. All he has to do is pull that saber to him and a whole lot of shit changes. Yeah, however, realizing that Satine is a Kree's, and how obsessed Bo-Katan is with this thing, we don't know that yet. Yes, we do. They say Satine's last name in this episode. Yes, they do.
Speaker 1:But we haven't met that other person yet, so we haven't met her. Okay, fine, I'm talking about that. From what I know, that's a big one, that's a big one.
Speaker 2:That's a big one, it's fine. If he had taken the Darksaber, I'm very curious what his relationship with Satine would have looked like.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, let's talk about that relationship with Satine.
Speaker 3:You know right away they were fucking. I don't give a shit what anybody says. He might not love her as you know, the jedi can't love or whatever but there was some mommy daddy time between them. I don't give a shit what anybody says I I I think it's at least touching I think it's the exact opposite I think it's the exact opposite.
Speaker 1:I think it's the exact opposite. I think that there was love there and still is love there, like like the love that you're not allowed to love by the Jedi, like in love. I don't, I really don't Love. That shall not be named. That shall not be named. I really don't think there was a, a fully realized physical relationship. I think I think Obi-Wan is. He is too Jedi for that. He is too Jedi. He's a man. Obi-wan is better than most men. I don't think he hit it. I don't think he hit. He hit that shit.
Speaker 2:I guess I would I guess here's the thing Depending on how you view the Jedi rules of attachment, I think a physical relationship is less threatening to the rules than an actual quote-unquote love relationship is. If you're saying Obi-Wan is too much of a Jedi to have committed a physical relationship, then I would say, by definition he's all much of a Jedi to have fallen for her. I think it's more plausible that he could stay within the rules of the Jedi and bang one out but not have an actual relationship but he's also a gentleman.
Speaker 1:Well, that doesn't mean anything. I don't think he hit. I just I really don't think that he did. I think that he was, and in many ways probably still is, in love with her, but I don't think he hit it.
Speaker 3:There has to be. Well, there's something. I think he hit it.
Speaker 2:This is where I have to admit that I was so intrigued by this episode that I went ahead and watched the rest of the next two, but I won't go into those because it's such a good.
Speaker 1:It's a good story arc. It really is. I mean, obviously it's all Mandalorian shit a good story arc. It really is. I mean, obviously it's all mandalorian shit. So I'm excited about that. But, um, it's good because we do get to see as this art continues. We do get to see more into the, the mind and the emotional state of obi-wan kenobi. So we do get more obi-wan, which is great. We get more, we get more mandalorian, which is great. So it's it's.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, this is, this is the clone wars is peak star wars. In my opinion, the clone wars animated series is by far better than any of the films combined. In my opinion that's just me, but it's also. It was allowed to be better because it's got so many different stories it can tell and it had more time to do it and more space to do it in. So it may have an unfair advantage, but I still believe that star wars, the clone wars, and probably rebels, because I haven't seen all of rebels and so I'm really looking forward to watching that, because I haven't seen all of rebels. But, um, the clone wars absolutely peak star wars yeah, I thought it was.
Speaker 3:Uh, I thought it was decent. I liked it, like I. I give this, I don't know. I like the story and everything, but I.
Speaker 2:For me it was probably like a 3 and I want it to be more the problem with this episode is that they keep referencing a history that we don't know about yet, and I'm sure they'll get there and I'm looking forward to that. But if I have to grade this episode on just what we saw on screen, it loses a point, because there's there's a ton of references to things that I don't have a basic understanding of yet all right, that's fair.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm giving it a five out of five because I I like this episode a lot, not six out of five, you know, like like the desserts. I mean because there's no forest titties in this one, but you get Mandalorians which are almost as good as forest titties. But I will say this is a great episode.
Speaker 2:We got. Then you got the Mandos.
Speaker 1:Then you got Force Titties, then you got Kwai Leek, farmer Force Titties, and then you've got Mandalorians, just barely, just barely edging out. The Mandalorians are the Farmer Force Titties, just barely Anyway.
Speaker 3:Wait, wait, wait. What about Amidala?
Speaker 1:What about Amidala?
Speaker 3:She's got to be in that list because they draw the shit out of her. She's got a nice ass, though.
Speaker 1:She does.
Speaker 2:She has a nice butt, she comes in just below the Mandalorians, and the reason why is because, as great as they draw her, I am way more scared of Anakin than I am of a cop.
Speaker 3:That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1:That is big truth. That is big truth.
Speaker 3:I'm not messing with you, you would force choke all of us for that bitch.
Speaker 1:Oh, never mind, that's the difference. We might like it. I bet she force chokes her. She likes it a little bit Anyway. Oh she doesn't. No, not the last time he does it. She sure doesn't anyway. So but anyway great episode one.
Speaker 1:One thing, one thing. I just I did two, well, two things. I'm sorry, um one uh, if you're familiar with the, the video game star wars out. It's getting a lot of backlash for a lot of different reasons, but one of the things that they were talking about that they didn't like is that the protagonist in the game, kay, she, regularly when she encounters stormtroopers, if you sneak up behind them she can knock them out. She fucking punches them in the back of the head, knocks them out, and people are like what the fuck? You know, people are bitching about it, one of the many reasons they're bitching about the game.
Speaker 1:But I'll have to say in this episode we saw obi-wan knocking a fucking mandalorian the fuck out while he's wearing his fucking helmet. I mean, he's wearing his. I don't know if it's pure Beskar or if it's like a Beskar alloy, or maybe it might just be Durasteel, I don't know, but Mandalorian armor is not Stormtrooper armor. Mandalorian armor is far superior to Stormtrooper armor. So if Obi-Wan could knock a motherfucker out through his helmet, then maybe, maybe there's a force punch. Yeah, maybe, maybe. But maybe k knows how to force, but we don't know. But anyway, people get knocked out in star wars while wearing helmets all the time. So if you have a problem with k knocking a stormtrooper out, shut the fuck up. It's a stormtrooper. Stormtroopers die and get beat up all the time. That's what they're there for nobody cares, nobody cares it's a stormtrooper.
Speaker 2:Shut the fuck up I mean not, not that I'm not that I need to draw the reference to real life, but how many times have we seen football players get knocked out when they're wearing helmets like?
Speaker 3:knock the hell out from certain things.
Speaker 2:But if you take a, if you take a good enough shot, the brain still moves around in there. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1:Called a TBI Right. And also, if we're going to reference real life, when was the last time you saw someone use the force to move something? When was the last time you saw someone use the force to move something.
Speaker 3:All the time I see it.
Speaker 1:People fucking trying to reference real life physics. It's a fucking science fantasy movie about space samurai and space wizard. Shut the fuck up Earth. Real physics.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying for those people, like I'm just saying, in this case, earth physics agrees with the fact that you could be not.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, yes, so that is correct.
Speaker 1:So second hot take, something that I noticed, and I don't know why this was a thing, but why, why, why are the mandalorians looking like the master race? They all had fucking blue eyes and shit.
Speaker 3:What I didn't want to, I didn't want to say nothing, I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean, well, you can't, you really can't address that because you're not, you're not all the way white. So, but like, play, I'm like tony, do you? I mean, what's what's your, what's your background, what's your heritage? Do you have like? Are you, you know, are you master race white? Are you like italian mixed? Or I mean what?
Speaker 2:because I don't think I don't consider italians white people either we're all mixed italians I'm 50 italian and the rest is all over the place, all right so you, so you can't talk about this either.
Speaker 1:So I, I'm, I'm half German, half Irish, so I, I can talk about the master race all day, because my people thought that we were it. So but at least your mom my mom's side yeah, the German side thought that we were a master. But why? Why I like, why I like there were. I saw a few people in the background that had like like dirty blonde hair, but I didn't everyone had blonde hair.
Speaker 3:It kind of reminded me of like children of the corn.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, I want to look into that and see if there's like an explanation we'll have to. I'll look that up and and see if maybe we can discuss they kind of look like pen dolls yeah, and they have like cool, you know what.
Speaker 1:Now that I think about it, because they all, a lot of them, had like, uh, almost like the slick back viking mohawks and braids. Maybe that's what they were going for. Maybe they were trying to go for like a, a viking culture vibe, since mandalorians are a warrior culture. Maybe they were trying to go with the that guy. What was the guy that we?
Speaker 3:saw in the episode with Ahsoka and they looked like Roman guards, remember. And he tricked.
Speaker 1:Ahsoka, oh yeah, he was one of the Praetorian guards. He was, yeah, he was a Senate guard.
Speaker 3:He was a senate guard he yeah, he looked kind of like the mando race. Now that I, now that I think about it but they all had like the.
Speaker 1:A lot of the men had like that, that slicked back mohawk or like a braid type of thing.
Speaker 3:So no, but the bad one. The bad one he looked like.
Speaker 1:And then there was that blonde clone trooper and he was Mr Suave in the. I want to say it was episode 11? Yeah, it was episode 10, I think when they were still in Selecum I, when they were still going after Grievous. Yeah, there was this blonde, pretty boy clone trooper. Like oh my excuse me, sir. I mean his hair was like fucking coiffed out and super fancy and he even had like a brighter yellow armor. I don't think he was part of Cody's crew, because Cody's crew had a different yellow, but, yeah, his armor color matched his hair and he was pretty. It's like, oh excuse me, pretty boy floyd, what the fuck? I have to look him up, he's a named trooper, I don't know. But so, all right.
Speaker 1:So we'll give we'll give dave filoni the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe the mandalorians aren't inspired by the master race blonde hair, blue eyed but maybe inspired by viking culture viking cult. I would yes, that I would agree with. I want to say that I want to go that route because I really don't, I really don't want this to be a thing. So, no, it probably isn't. It's from 2010 and even if it was supposed to be the master race, he got away with it. So I guess what's done is done, but I'm hoping that that's not the case, because, dave, you're my boy. Dave Filoni, our lord and savior, literally single-handedly saved the Star Wars franchise. I don't give a fuck what anybody says to try to dissuade me from that, but yeah, he single-handedly saved the Star Wars franchise, Anyway. So that's it. We got anything else about this episode or anything else that we want to talk about? No, it was a long episode y'all, we're all falling asleep.
Speaker 3:So okay, Everybody's falling asleep.
Speaker 1:All right, so that's it A lot of good stuff to get to.
Speaker 1:We had a lot of stuff. This was right, so that's a lot of good stuff to get to. We had a lot of stuff. This was, this was a great, a great group of episodes. I had a lot of fun watching these. These were, these were really cool and it's only going to get better. It's only going to get better. That's what. That's what excites me. It's only going to get better, and both of you are in for so many surprises next week, for sure, for sure. Tony. You already know, because you looked ahead fucking weirdo and sherry, you're in for some surprises. You're. There's going to be some pearl clutching on the couch like, oh my, maybe we should film it. Maybe we should film that and get some reactions out of you. I think that would be interesting. Okay, so we're gonna put a camera in your face.
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