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Star Wars: Safespace
Trans Troopers & Terrors: TCW: Season 2: Ep 17-19
This week we give a great big Finger of Truth to the Fandom Menace, celebrate diversity, crush on the many Asian influences Star Wars has had over the years, and generally just enjoy our lives as Star Wars nerds.
Join us as we explore representation in the galaxy far, far away and champion the need for more inclusive storytelling in one of pop culture's most beloved franchises.
We take a critical look at the so-called "fandom menace" and their tendency to exploit negativity, contrasting their hostile outlook with our appreciation for the evolving Star Wars galaxy.
And of course we're looking at Palpatine. The Sith you love to hate and his ever widening grasp over the galaxy. All that and more this week in the SafeSpace!
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This week we've got the seven samurai giant monsters and transgender clone troopers. It's the Clone Wars Season 2, episode 17 through 19 this week on your Star Wars safe space. Stick around All righty. Then. Howdy Star Warriors.
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Speaker 1:So star wars and I'm very excited about this star wars, the secrets of the clone troopers, a reference book which released on october 8th, so it just came out. I am very excited about this, so definitely a must read for any clone wars or clone trooper fans out there. Um, however, of course, the fandom menace doing what the fandom menace does, they have struck again because they just can't be happy. The star wars haters. There's just no fucking joy in their lives at all. So in the the star wars the secrets of the clone troopers reference book, we learn about a transgender clone trooper named sister.
Speaker 1:So, and this character went largely unnoticed until this book came out, um, but she actually dates back to 2022, when she first appeared in two young reader novels, the queen's hope and brotherhood, um, and she actually ends up having a conversation with rex and anakin and, of course, of course, both are supportive of her gender, gender identity because it still goes along with the ideals of the clone troopers and the Jedi.
Speaker 1:And it was the clone troopers who gave Sister her name, which is really cool, really cool. So, and, of course, being the ignorant ass clowns that they are, the vast majority of the star wars haters had absolutely no idea of her existence until secrets of the clone troopers came out. Um, and rex actually says in the book about sister uh, he says, when one of our kind expressed her gender identity differently than her fellow troopers, she feared she'd have to hide who she truly was inside. Fortunately, her brothers in the seventh sky core gave her the name sister as a constant reminder that she belonged. So it's here's, here's my, here's my take on the fandom menace. Right, and these people that say oh, you guys suck disney's woke.
Speaker 1:It's the disney woke agenda. So the fact that this transgendered clone trooper was afraid to to talk about her identity or, you know, to come out, you know who she truly was there's a reason for that fear. And you motherfuckers are it like you, you little dick bitches are exactly the reason why we need this quote-unquote woke content. There's a reason that we need transgendered representation in star wars like I. I feel bad for you, bitches, when you start reading high republic books. Holy shit, you're, you're. Y'all's heads are gonna fucking turn inside out.
Speaker 1:You thought the acolyte was full of woke gay nonsense. Wait till you, bitches, start reading the high republic. There's all sorts of like same-sex relationships and gender fluid and non-binary folks, and it's just because, in a galaxy this large, why wouldn't there be, why would there not be beings? Huts are asexual, they're hermaphrodites. All huts are hermaphrodites. We've known this. It's that that predates disney. So was george lucas woke for including a hermaphroditic species, you know, or is it only? Is it only because it's like you know, humans of color? That's when it starts becoming weird. So so my, my question to the group here, by the inclusion of Sister, is this just more of Disney's woke agenda in an effort to turn us all gay and take LGBTQ money, or is it an effort to actually be inclusive? What are your thoughts on that? Obviously, you know my stance on it.
Speaker 3:I mean, when it comes to this type of thing, you all know me, I'm going to be short and not so sweet about it. If you don't like it, fucking deal with it or leave. I mean, really, the idea that something is going to turn you gay or make you transgender if you aren't already is utter nonsense. If you have that little comfort in who you are as a person that you think that that could actually happen to you, that says way more about you than it does about the content.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well said, louie. What do you think?
Speaker 2:Why does it matter, like, why, like I just I don't, I mean, and it's a society thing too, and not to, you know, get into it outside of Star Wars, but it's just who cares? If it doesn't affect you, who fucking cares? And I like that they are being inclusive, like that, and it's first of all it's in a book, like it's not, like they're showing it. You know what I mean. Like it's not. Like this character was, you know, in the Mandalorian trying to turn, you know, din into I don't know. You know what I mean. Like he's, it's not like, and it's a new character.
Speaker 1:It's like right, like I. I'm like when I I get, when people are upset about gender or race swapping an established character, to me that just that it doesn't seem authentic. It seems like kind of a money grab. Um, like, if you've got an established character, let them be an established character and make someone new. You know, make someone that that is representative. That's new, because otherwise, when you, when you color wash other characters like I, just don't feel that it serves anyone because now you're just recycling a character and throwing a recently disenfranchised group a bone by saying, oh no, no, look how cool we are. We turned this character into this color and this gender just for you, character into this color and this gender just for you. Well, maybe don't be lazy writers and and come up with an actual new character. And, and I like that they did that with sister. They came up with a new character.
Speaker 1:Um, I mean, granted, she's a clone, but all clones have their own personalities, as we know. Um, so I like, tony, like you said, what it doesn't matter. Louis, you said the same thing. Why? Why does it matter? Because, in my opinion, somewhere out there in in the star wars fandom, there is a transgendered individual who loves the clone wars and maybe would desperately love to cosplay as a clone trooper, and now they have the opportunity to do that if they want to. Now they've got a a clone trooper who they can identify with. That's someone that looks like that woman. They all look the same, but you know what I mean, you know. So if you look up, if you look up the photo, the transgender colors are painted on her armor. I think she's got like long cornrows in her hair. It's a very cool design and I really really do hope that we're going to see some folks out there because she's canon.
Speaker 1:Now, that secrets of the clone troopers book, that's canon and I believe so are the? Uh, the two books, um, uh, what was it again? It was the? Uh, the queen's hope and brotherhood, I believe those are. Those are also both canon books, um, but regardless, even if they're not, secrets of the clone troopers is canon. So, like it or not, ass clowns fucking. We got sister and she's fucking canon. So deal with badass. Yeah, you know, and you know what rex gives her the seal of approval. That's all I need. That's all I need. So I'm I'm good to go now. Now one question, another question I do have about this do you think that disney may have gone too far by including a transgendered character in a young reader book? Is this, is this, the type of content for young readers, or should it be in more of an adult book? What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3:I mean, unless there's something, unless there's something, you know, a quote-unquote scene within this book that would be considered adult content. What difference does it make? Well, some people will argue that I understand what some people will argue. I don't care what they're going to argue.
Speaker 1:Maybe they're so young readers might be too young to really know how they identify.
Speaker 3:That's, that's what some people feel well I mean this is what you know, like I made a point earlier about, you know, listen, if you feel like you can be turned by content, like I could understand that argument to a point, but that's when I'm sorry. As a parent, monitor what your children are reading and paying attention to and, you know, be able to have an adult conversation with them to say, hey, listen, yes, there are people that feel this way, right, that identify as that and that's fine. Like we're all saying, there is nothing wrong with feeling that way and identifying that way. It doesn't hurt anybody else for you to feel that way. Now, like, okay, sure, if you've got like a I don't know, somewhere between like a 5 to 12-year-old, sure, if you've got somewhere between a 5 to 12-year-old, the gender identity construct thing isn't really a real factor for them at this point, right, okay, let them think what they're going to think. Exposing people to a broader range of the human experience should never be a bad thing, right?
Speaker 2:And also, like, if, like I understand, as a parent, right, that you do not want your children exposed to certain things, and every person, every parent on the planet, has a different idea of what is appropriate and inappropriate for their child, right? So some parents let their kids watch rated r movies when they're five, you know, and other other parents aren't going to let their kids watch rated r movies until they're 17. Um, the same goes with, you know, things like this. You're going to have some parents who, no matter what we say, they just don't want to expose their kids to that at that age, which, if that's your mindset, fine.
Speaker 2:But overall, the star wars fandom, I, I don't think um is impacted by those decisions, unless they are the parents themselves, right, right. So, like you know, joe schmo in his underwear and his mom's basement hating on, you know, the acolyte. I think that what if he's not the parents of the kid? Then it doesn't really matter. You know what I mean? Like, I, I just don't think that being exposed to a photo with a snippet in a picture book is any different than I don't know. Yeah, it's no different.
Speaker 1:Like you, if it's no different if you're in the mall and you know I'm with my, my, my young, my young child and you know we happen to see, you know, maybe, a drag queen, there's a drag show going on and my child is like you know, dad, what's what's going on. Why is that? Why is that dude, you know, maybe a drag queen, there's a drag show going on and my child is like you know, dad, what's what's going on. Why is that? Why is that dude, you know, dressed like a lady? You know, thank you, okay. Um, so why does dude look like a lady? Now, it's my, my responsibility to try to explain things to my child in an as an unbiased way as possible and to leave things open for questions and encourage my child to question. Now, whatever my thoughts, feelings and beliefs are about that dude who looks like a lady and their lifestyle and their choices, that has absolutely no bearing, should have no bearing, in how I answer my child questions.
Speaker 2:And that is just not how our society is, unfortunately.
Speaker 1:No, because you're 100% right.
Speaker 1:Parents indoctrinate their children into their own beliefs. You've got the dude that peaked in high school who wants their kid to be a fucking pro athlete because they couldn't do it themselves, rather than allowing their children to experience things their own way, uh, and in their own time. So so I yeah. So to to the fandom menace, to the, the people that just can find no joy in star wars anymore because they say that it's too woke. We give you the finger of truth, my friends. Fuck, fuck you, just shut the fuck up. Fuck you, fuck you and fuck you Like.
Speaker 2:I just and, and and Star Wars theory. He can.
Speaker 1:No, I don't want to. I don't want to say that guy's name. So people who have negative Star Wars theories, let's just say that I don't, because I don't want to mention there mention. There's a laundry list of these motherfuckers, I know.
Speaker 2:Who we could list off. He's just the first one that comes to mind.
Speaker 1:Sure, and it's just again. I lump them all into the fandom menace and it's very obvious that what they're doing now you know the internet term for these people they're they're calling them grifters because it's basically they'll take anything and and turn it around and make it a hate video, because that's what sells tickets. That's figuratively speaking, but that's what's getting you the likes and the engagement, because now someone that has a negative star Wars theory, they're going to post it, they're going to make a video about it and they're going to, they're going to give all, they're going to make a video about it and they're going to, they're going to give all this, all this hate, and their supporters are going to go in there. Yeah, fuck that guy and fuck this guy and this person's this and this person's that. No, I can. Kathleen kennedy and star wars raped my dog and destroyed my childhood and all this shit, right, but then you've got people like us who we don't always like everything that that's put out by Disney, obviously, you know, but we can still find some joy in it. We're going to go in there. We're going to defend our or at least maybe not defend Disney all the time, because sometimes you can't, because defending Disney is pointless. It is, in fact, the evil empire with mouse ears. We're under no so fandom menace in that we agree years. We're under no so fandom menace in that we agree, disney is the evil empire. However, within the evil empire, there are some great writers and directors and people that actually really do love the franchise and they're trying to get get us this new content. But anyway, um, all of this is is happening and so anyway, we go, we go in there and we're going to say, well, you know what? It's not that bad, you know it's not that bad. So now we're giving them more engagement. You know we're, we're adding to their, their, their comment, we're adding to their feed, and so their numbers just hike up and go up and go up and go up. And that's why I, you know completely off track but kind of on point I, you know, completely off track but kind of on point Um, I watched this video, uh, a while ago.
Speaker 1:It's this 15 year old content creator and he is a multimillionaire. Everything like his, all of his channels, have multiple, multi-millions of followers and he just creates brand new channels. He has claimed that he could create a brand new YouTube or social media channel and, in less than 90 days, have a million followers on it. And he gives a list of methods and techniques that he uses to do that. But one of the main ones is that he said, and he didn't list any of his channels, which was smart. So he went on, he showed his face and his name, but he didn't list any of his, his channels, which was smart. So he went on, he showed his face and his name, but he didn't list any of his actual channels. So that way, he cannot be, you know, connected to anything that he's putting out, because one of the techniques that he uses is by putting out false claims that come off as legitimate. So he'll put out a video that says yeah, I walked, I went for a walk today and I couldn't believe how the sky turned green.
Speaker 1:Look at the sky. The sky is completely green today and it's because too many people were watering their lawns today. That's a scientific, proven fact. And then, of course, what's going to happen? People are going to jump in the comments and they're going to refute that. They're going to say no, dude, you're fucking stupid. That's not why the sky, the sky, wasn't green today. What are you talking about. So he will create false content on purpose just to get people arguing in the comments, and that's what the fandom menace is doing too. Whether they actually hate this content or not is completely irrelevant. You've got so, and all you have to do is search through youtube. Just type in star wars on youtube and you will see so many people jumping on this hate train bandwagon, because it's what sells right now.
Speaker 1:You know, reality tv show we, we love it. We love reality tv shows because they're just full of drama and animosity. Human beings love that shit. And all that's fake too. That's fake too. But then you've got, then you've got other people out there who are putting out positive content, and they don't get nearly the views or the hits that all the haters do, and that's that's a. That's a critique on society, louis, like you're saying too. So, but anyway, yeah, enough of that nonsense. On to the show, shall we? Let's do it. Fuck them guys. All right, I gotta take off my and of course I'm wearing the mighty mythosaur skull neath my hoodie, okay, anyway neath neath my hoodie.
Speaker 1:So season two, episode 17, bounty Hunters which, of course, dave, thank you for leapfrogging across the timeline. This actually takes place before the episode Children of the Force, which was in season two.
Speaker 3:So yeah, he just likes playing jump rope with that timeline, doesn't he? He really does? He just flexes around, yeah, so he just likes playing jump rope with that timeline, doesn't?
Speaker 1:he really does he just, he just flex around. So at the beginning of the episode we did see, uh, it said in memory of akira kurosawa and, as I had mentioned earlier, um, this episode is dedicated to the memory of filmmaker akira kurosawa, and he was indeed one of george lucas's major influences. So if you're not familiar with the films of akira kurosawa, their old japanese movies usually almost always related to samurai in some way. So the hidden fortress is basically a direct influence for episode four, a new hope. So get a chance to watch that. Then there's another one, my very favorite, um akira kurosawa film. My, my first Akira Kurosawa film that I ever watched was the Seven Samurai, and that's exactly what this episode, bounty Hunters, was based on the Seven Samurai in the mandalorian tv series, where um yeah, the episode where they where they're.
Speaker 1:Yeah, din and cara dune defend that little village against the bandits. So very similar premise. So anyway, um, good episode, fun episode. We're not going to rehash the entire thing. Um, so what I'm curious about, what I'd like to ask. Oh no, before I do that, louis, you had mentioned before the show that you've got, you've got thoughts on this episode yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think that you know, when you, when you kind of step outside the box and you look at it from um, you know kind of like the political side of it almost, or like the real, it felt to me like we were seeing that, even though this ginormous war is going on around the galaxy, there are people, the little people, that are just trying to live their day-to-day life, and they're being exploited by people like like hondo and and and his pirate buddies, um, who are taking advantage of the fact that these small villages, these people who can't help themselves, have been abandoned by their warriors and by their you know. You know what I mean, because they've all gone off to war, and not necessarily every planet is like that, and I'm not saying that this village was abandoned by you know any men to go off and fight the war, cause it probably wasn't. But what we're seeing is how the little people is being affected by what's going on in the broader galaxy. We're seeing how, you know, there's no one to protect these people, you know, because of this ongoing war. And the other thing that I had kind of that had kind of triggered in my head while watching this episode is, uh, something that we've talked about on past episodes where, um, kind of the ignorance of the Jedi Right and, uh, I can't remember if it was Obi-Wan or Anakin now um was having a conversation with the Zabraki bounty hunter, um, and she said something along the lines of you know, you don't think we can, you don't think we can handle ourselves, do you?
Speaker 2:And that goes back to, like, that line stuck with me because it goes back to their ignorance, right, like they in that episode, they they stepped in and they were like well, you need it, like like we're going to take charge of how this whole thing's gonna gonna go down. And meanwhile this bounty hunter is basically sitting back and saying like we had this under control and like you, just, you don't feel like we can handle ourselves like they're. Just, they're so full of themselves that they feel like we can handle ourselves like they're just, they're so full of themselves that they feel like they need to, you know, kind of take control of situations when maybe they don't need to. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:that makes sense. And she also said because and like when you brought that up, anakin, anakin had said to her you know we're peacekeepers, and she's right, yeah, back. And she said, yeah, you're peacekeepers, who, who can't keep the peace?
Speaker 1:yeah so it's like and that was that was my question for for the group today is you know, we perceive the jedi in a certain way as viewers of the story. You know, we're we're fed a particular narrative about the jedi and it's nice seeing the Clone Wars show different sides of that. So how do you think that? Because it was interesting how everyone knows who the Jedi are. I mean, it doesn't matter what backwater world you go to, for the most part, everyone knows who and what a Jedi is. I mean, what are your thoughts on how the Jedi perceive themselves versus how the standard civilian population views the Jedi? Right, tony? What do you think?
Speaker 3:That's a really great question. For the most part, I think the Jedi, reasonably speaking, they do have an inflated opinion of themselves, and part of that's for good reason. But I think that when it comes to the average Joe Schmo out in that galaxy, for the most part it's not that Jedi are so rare as to be a myth, as, as we see in much further down the timeline than we are now. But it's a thing of well you know, they pop in here and there they they're gonna do their own thing and then they're gonna go. You can't rely on them. So what's the difference, right?
Speaker 1:right. So it's. It's interesting to see how other people are reacting and interacting with the jedi there's. They're not like to these folks. Even the farmers. Nobody was like super impressed. Right, there were three jedi that showed up. It's just like we're just trying to harvest our shit, you know, and these motherfuckers are attacking us. And then we had to hire these shady motherfuckers, you know, just to protect ourselves because the peacekeepers can't do it. And so that leads me to my next question. Of course, every week now, we're trying to really think about each episode and how Palpatine may have been responsible or how this serves Palpatine's ultimate goal. And for me anyway, the obvious reason for this is there's no help for and this was Fallujah, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's no help for and this was felucia, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah. So there's there's no, there's no law to help the people who are living on felucia. So it just opens the door for palpatine to put a quote-unquote peacekeeping force on felucia. You know, bring the war there and eventually it's going to go his way, potentially. Do you think that his tentacles have reached that far to Felucia, and is it that microscopic of an influence, or is it just kind of all, just you know, the republic is just spread too thin just because they're spread too thin, or do we think that palpatine knows exactly what's going on on fallujah?
Speaker 2:remind me what, because I watched it yesterday. Remind me why they were there, because I know they got stranded there, so they were. There was a, they were going to check.
Speaker 3:They were going. They were there because I know they got stranded there, so they were looking for some kind of transportation.
Speaker 2:They were going to check on a medical station that was supposed to be outside of their space that's right which was part of what I was saying, like we were seeing a different side of the war by knowing that there's medical facilities out there, which it didn't end up being that way, but and got destroyed.
Speaker 1:I mean, they destroyed a whole fucking medical center, which also makes me wonder why is it not guarded? Why do you not at least have a couple of a couple of cruisers guarding the medical facilities?
Speaker 3:but again, you know, spread too thin maybe yeah and they think that maybe felucia is far enough out that no one's gonna fuck with it, but unfortunately we see that it's not the case well, I mean, it just goes to show that, you know, in this galaxy, like here we've got as oxymoronic as it sounds there is such a thing as war crimes where okay, listen, there are basic understandings of, hey, like, if you see the red cross, you don't fuck with the red cross, you really let them like it doesn't matter what, who they're helping, you just let them through. Um, clearly the separatist army does not believe in such a thing.
Speaker 1:Oh no, they don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck and it's cool because we do see on Clone Medics, they do have a version of the Red Cross and I always thought that was pretty cool. I don't know if we've seen it yet. I mean, maybe we have, I don't remember.
Speaker 2:I don't remember seeing Medics I think we have seen it.
Speaker 1:I think we have seen it, but I don't know, maybe not Pretty good episode. Got to see Embo. Embo is just bad as fuck the guy is a badass. Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker and we saw him straight up snap the neck of a pirate, like just brutally snapped his neck to two. Actually, he snapped the one guy's neck, the scout and then he jumped on the speeder. Yeah, snapped his neck and threw him into a fucking laser fence.
Speaker 2:Do we need to put them in the wall of remembrance?
Speaker 1:no, they're pirates for good guys, yeah, just for our clone troopers, our, our clone brothers.
Speaker 3:That's, that's although we are adding a few of this, of this uh of this batch yeah, there's a few a few, yeah, um, so I mean.
Speaker 1:But yeah, this is a kid's show, right, and we're seeing motherfuckers snap necks and anyway, anyway, all right. So, moving on, we've got the zillow beast arc two, episode arc um, which was pretty fun. So we've got zillow beast, and zillow beast strikes back. Uh, the zillow beast itself was giving some hardcore godzilla king kong vibes. Obviously those things were influences, and even even the name zillow beast is similar to godzilla. So instead of so yeah, so you know, I love the fact that you know the writers, dave filoni included.
Speaker 1:They're all just super nerdy yeah and um, yeah, so any, I've got a couple questions about, about this arc as well, but uh, thoughts before we dive into it, because we'll just handle this as like one thing, louis, as you suggested.
Speaker 2:So yeah um I just I thought it was really especially in the in the second episode, um, you know, seeing Anakin and Padme kind of disagree, yeah, there, Um, but Anakin also doesn't know if he wants to agree with Palpatine either. You see the, the push and the pull that that Palpatine has going on there, Um and again.
Speaker 1:Everyone's always putting anakin in the middle of some shit right right and they even went.
Speaker 2:They even went up in there and they were like you know, hey, hey, anakin, and he's like you want me to go do this, don't you? And they're like yep, so it's like the, the jedi and the Senate are pushing him and he's being pulled. It's the guy doesn't have a chance, like he's, no matter what he loses. You know what I mean? Like so he doesn't. He doesn't want to be pulled towards Palpatine. I really don't think that he does, but he's almost being pushed into palpatine by the jedi.
Speaker 2:Actually, I mean right, right and I think eventually, you know, especially when you the, you know the darth plagas speech, you know that's almost like the, the nail in the coffin where the push finally becomes. You know he's, he, he's not being pushed anymore and now he's walking towards that direction. Um, because now he's like well, I can't turn to the jedi, the jedi keep pushing me away right you know so.
Speaker 2:So I have all this going on, and, and, and you keep pushing me away, literally towards the guy who you know. So I I thought that that was. Those were all things that were popping up in my mind, especially in that second episode where you could see this conflict that anakin was having, not just within himself but with the people that he was closest to yeah, you know that he, he and yeah, he just doesn't the, he doesn't have a chance, no matter what he does, he's screwed.
Speaker 2:The only thing that could have saved him was if he'd have run away, if he'd have just taken Padme and run away, and he didn't do that.
Speaker 1:It would be a whole different galaxy, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:But this Zillow Beast episode really obese episode really like yes, you're right, the godzilla thing, the the monster movie part of it was super cool. Um, I felt bad for him in the second episode.
Speaker 2:Like I was, like oh it's, you're killing me, guys, you're killing me, um, but um, yeah, and then the way that it ended, you know, at the very end with I'm sure you'll talk about that in your questions. I don't want to steal your question, thunder, but we do see Palpatine. You know, I this is one of those things where I don't think that Palpatine knew that the Zillow Beast was there. You know what I mean. I think this is one of those curve balls that happen, but you see, as I've mentioned in previous episodes, how quickly he was able to turn that narrative in his favor. So now it's yeah, now you're gonna go clone those motherfuckers.
Speaker 1:So but I do. I do wonder, though. I mean, because sometimes Palpatine does feel like he's just all fucking knowing, and you know they gave, you know he had this giant bomb created to use on Malastare that apparently has a very thin crust, like, did Palpatine know the legend of the zillow beast? Did he know that there could potentially still be one alive or maybe, you know, like remnants of old zillow beasts? I, I don't know, it didn't. It didn't seem like it, like when they first said, oh hey, this thing is lightsaber resistant right now. I, I don't, I don't know if he knew or not, but, like you said, as soon as he found out that motherfucker's wheels started turning and he can fucking adapt, just like that, and he was like yeah go ahead, bring, bring that motherfucker home, let's kill it.
Speaker 3:I'm sure it was intentional, but this is the first time that they are making it blatantly obvious that Palpatine's interests are not coinciding with the interests of the Jedi. Yeah, eye, yeah, like. There's one point in in the second part where he he's saying he's saying something about, you know the, the sheer power of this beast and the look on his face is the no that you like that power way too much. Like you see, like mace kind of look back at him and you're like really that didn't clue, you like maybe, maybe mace, yeah, because mace did, he did.
Speaker 1:he's you know we get a shot of mace like looking at palpatine like motherfucker, what did you just say? It's like did? Palpatine was like kind of excited, so maybe he let his guard drop just a little bit and maybe Mace got a little tinge in the force, like this motherfucker might be dark side, or I mean because Palpatine was pretty happy. One thing I did notice, though, too, was this was the first time Palpatine showed real fear when the Zill was coming after him, like yeah, that yeah, he was when they were in that shuttle and that motherfucker tracked him down, which he's lightsaber resistant.
Speaker 1:He has some sort of ability to sense people or maybe sense the force. Maybe he was able to sense palpatine's force ability because he definitely understood that motherfucker when he was like, yeah, let's just kill it, let's just kill it and eat it. And then, because he looked at palpatine like you, let me, let me out, let me out, let's see what's happening. And if you didn't, also, if you didn't notice the doctor she had some cakes, man I didn't notice the doctor if you watch it.
Speaker 3:If you watch it again they hooked her up.
Speaker 1:They, you know everyone's looking at ayla sakura in this, in this episode, because of course, ayla sakura, you know she's a hottie too. Um, but uh, yeah, the doctor, she was wearing some little yoga pants, she was, uh, the animators did a nice job and she had some little, some little disc things on her head. Looked like some little upper flerman. I don't know what was going on up there, but that's kind of kind of doing it for me too.
Speaker 1:I don't know I'm, you know I'm interspecies, I'm open to all that. It's, that's cool, that's cool, so, um, so, any. But my, my question for you guys about this is now, you've got, you've got the zillow beast, and it is, it is a terrifying monster that would have potentially really wreaked havoc on malastare, you know, and and the dugs. So in this particular case, we do see that you know mace is like, yeah, no, we can't, we cannot kill this thing. But then you know, the dugs and even anakin kind of were like, oh man, we got to do something. So in this particular case, what do? What do we think is is the best course of action here? Like, like, completely sauce the zillow beast or like just vacate and let this thing?
Speaker 2:I mean what, what context like what? So your question is it geared towards? What?
Speaker 1:do you think, or yeah, no, I want to know like what? Because we saw what happened. I mean, they did have. You know, anakin had the idea to you know, basically, tase it, um, tase the zillow beast, that way they could, you know, make sure that it was, you know, not killed. But then, when it gets turned loose on coruscant, you know, at that point, like what do you do? Like, do we try to subdue it again, or does it? Does it need to be put down?
Speaker 2:I mean, at that point I think you have to kill it yeah I mean once it's already unleashed and it's already loose. I mean, it's like that whole scene just reminded me of jurassic park. What was it? The second one or the third one, when they brought the, the t-rex, to like? I don't know where it was, like san francisco, or?
Speaker 3:some shit yeah and he just like ripped it.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta yeah once it, once it gets to that level, you gotta I mean, they should have never taken it to coruscant, obviously true, very true they should have never done any of the things that they did to that poor thing. No, but correct.
Speaker 1:Once it got to that point, you gotta put it down because it, when it went through the city, it killed a lot of people. Yeah, you got, you had people just out on date night walking on the bridges and you know, oh, oh, hey, honey look.
Speaker 2:And more than one time in those episodes, more than a couple of times. This is the most dangerous creature in the galaxy. This is the most powerful creature in the galaxy.
Speaker 1:Like, every time, like, and it was one of a kind Right, so you don't want to kill it because you know, then you're extincting a race, but at the same time, so it'll be interesting to see More developments with the the Zilla beast.
Speaker 3:Yeah, honestly like. I honestly feel like To a point, palpatine fuck this up like the smarter play and we know he's got bases set up on other places. He had that whole baby prison thing out on Mustafar that he had to destroy. He's got places where he could have brought this beast to Darkside Daycare and done whatever he wanted to do, and it would have been fine. Yeah, taking it to coruscant of all fucking places like yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 1:was that? Was that a fuck up on his part, or was that calculated, do you think? Do you think that he did that on purpose to? Because, if you think about it, he could have done that on purpose, because there's no way that he's going to be able to go against the jedi and not look bad, because he wanted to. He wanted to kill the zillow beast while it was still on malaster. Kill it, cook it, bring it. You know, bring its parts. We'll study it here at home. But then obviously, if he does that, that's going to raise some questions with mace. Mace is going to take it to the council and then they're going to start looking at him a little bit harder. So, but if he brings it to Coruscant and it gets loose now in order to save innocent lives, which is what the Jedi are all about, louis, like you said, now there's no choice. So so was that potentially part of palpatine's plan was, so he could kind of legally kill it without getting in trouble with the jedi, see, but here's the thing.
Speaker 3:I don't think he ever wanted to kill it because, like, if there, if your whole goal is to clone the thing, that's a whole lot easier with living cells than it is with a dead creature, sure, but they pulled samples from it, so they had.
Speaker 1:They had living cells, yeah but you'd have.
Speaker 3:You'd have access to a lot more if you keep the thing alive. Sure, no doubt. And the other factor is that, like you've now let everybody that the jedi just saved in that city realize that the jedi are far more capable of hand this than the clone's army is. So later on, when he spoiler alert a fact here, when they issue Order 66, that's clearly okay. Now you've got to choose Are you for the Jedi or are you for the Empire? Well, all those people are going to remember the Jedi have way more effect in saving my life than the Empire did for the jedi. Or are you for the empire? Well, all those people are gonna remember the jedi had way more effect in saving my life than the empire did.
Speaker 1:But did they, though? It was the clones who took down the zillow beast. Nobody knew about the jedi running across its back. Like if you're sitting there watching out your apartment window, you know you're seeing. You're seeing those laddies flying around, you're seeing those clone troopers launching toxic bombs and murking this thing. And of course, palpatine's going to go out and say look how I was able to save your city from this nightmarish hell beast. And then, of course, his little sycophantic buddies are going to be like oh Palpatine, thank you so much for saving the city.
Speaker 1:So I don't. It's hard, because sometimes I I want to feel that, I mean, palpatine is, is fallible. Of course, obviously, we do know that he makes some very critical errors and his, his ego gets the better of him, you know, but he is so calculating. I just just, sometimes I just feel like. I feel like he's writing the clone wars Like it's not even Dave Filoni. I feel like Palpatine is an actual, real person and he's sitting around somewhere and he's telling Dave Filoni what to write, because he's he's got his fingers so deep in our pots that, uh, yeah, he's pulling all the strings.
Speaker 1:I know Dave Filoni is chancellor palpatine I mean, we never see the two of them together in the same room at the same time that's true in fact, the only time we ever see dave filoni show up on screen is years after palpatine has died somehow he returned I mean we see him. We see him in the mandalorian right, I think twice. We see him in the mandalorian so we're on to you, dave we're on to you, dave.
Speaker 1:We need to get you on the show so you can come talk to us and, uh, let's, let's figure this out, buddy.
Speaker 3:If we really are onto him, do we want him to know about us? Do?
Speaker 1:we want him to know that we know, yeah, we do yeah we do. We want you on the show, brother.
Speaker 2:We want you on the show, buddy.
Speaker 3:Fair.
Speaker 1:Alright, so yeah, that's good shit. Does anybody have anything else, because I think we covered everything today.
Speaker 3:I will say, like the point's been made already, but it becomes very clear, especially in the second half of this, that this Zillow Beast very much has some intelligence. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so it really does make you wonder, like if we could have kept this thing alive, you know maybe figure out a way to communicate with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's Jedi who are are. That way, I think Ahsoka could have communicated with it. We've already seen that she's got an affinity for animals, so it's possible.
Speaker 2:Ezra too.
Speaker 1:I mean obviously Ezra's not here, but I don't know if Ezra's even born at this point. No, he's not, but Ahsoka, I mean, and what the fuck happened to her. Once everybody gets to Coruscant, yeah, where did she go?
Speaker 1:yeah, right, she can go, she's, she's taking a nap. Take a nap. I mean, she had, yeah, it's nap time for for younglings at this point, for padawan, it's just, you know you come back from a mission, you know, after you kill a few pirates, you know you come back and get a little juice box and take a little nappy and then uh, yeah, oh and, and obi-wan, can we? Just, you know we'll jump back to the bounty hunters episode. Um, the ladies love obi-wan. I mean, as a bounty hunter she was, she was all about some obi. I mean, he's just, he's like the obi man l l o j?
Speaker 1:no, no, no l l cool, ll cool ob cool ob.
Speaker 3:LL clobie we just we need to get her an ob fans shirt is all that needs to happen.
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Speaker 1:it down.
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