Justice for Jango: TCW Season 2: Ep 20-22

This week we wrap up Season 2 of the Clone Wars, take a deeper look into the complicated life and moral choices of Boba Fett and how his quest to avenge the death of his father puts him on the path to becoming the most infamous bounty hunter in the galaxy. 

The evolution of Boba Fett is as compelling as it is complex, thanks in part to Daniel Logan's remarkable vocal portrayal. From child actor to accomplished voice artist, Logan brings depth to Boba's moral quandaries and individuality, especially in moments of hesitation when faced with harming his fellow clones. This episode also covers Jango Fett's complex legacy, questioning whether the Fetts are truly Mandalorian and exploring how Boba's upbringing under Jango's influence molded his perception of the Jedi.

We're also taking a look at the absolute boss of a droid, R2-D2, and question the sticky relationship between Aurra Sing and Hondo Ohnaka.All that and more this week in the SafeSpace!

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:01

This week what? This week? Boba fucking Fett.

Speaker 2 0:12

Little biatch.

Speaker 3 0:14

Little biatch what?

Speaker 1 0:18

It's Clone Wars, season 2, episodes 20 through 22 this week on your Star Wars safe space. Stick around, howdy Star Warriors. Welcome to Star Wars Safe Space, your non-toxic, low sodium star wars show. That doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that the millennium falcon made a cameo appearance in space balls. I've seen that movie a gazillion times and I learned that today. I've never seen it in space balls. Really, yeah, never seen it, never seen. I saw it in in uh, was it the phantom menace?

Speaker 1 1:08

I don't know, in one of the prequel films I think it was the phantom menace yeah it makes a little appearance in that I saw it in there and it was like microscopic.

Speaker 1 1:14

Didn't see in space balls. I've seen space balls probably more than I've seen star wars. Never saw it. So, uh, sure, I think. Yeah, that's a diner. Yeah, right at the diner. Yeah, right at the diner, all right. So whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little spoorzy curious, this is your Star Wars safe space. We are the Circle of Nerds and we do absolutely love Star Wars, even if we don't always like it. So let us meet the crew, shall we? From my left, your right star of stage and screen, it is the sensational and sleepy sherry hello everyone and serious black in the background.

Speaker 1 1:57

I feel like all of us woke up, like you, and I just woke up from a nap, I think daddy louis said that he was. He was hurting well, hello, everyone so it's gonna be a high energy show tonight I can already feel it I can feel it in my nuggets and hailing from parts unknown. Oh, I forgot how to do the thing. Wait, no, I didn't. I got it. Let's see it, we'll go right here. Hey, parts unknown.

Speaker 4 2:23

It's t to the oni welcome back to the galaxy, everybody and from the outer rim territory of boss to wean.

Speaker 1 2:33

It is daddy louis hello children all righty, that is us, that is, oh, and I am, uh, tommy d. You're, uh, more than slightly obnoxious. Star Wars know it all. All right, so what are we doing here? We are on a mission to watch all of the Star Wars, canon TV shows and films in chronological ish order, breaking them down, connecting the dots and learning more about Star Wars and maybe even a little bit about ourselves along the way. A word of warning you will be encountering spoilers, so please be aware of that.

Speaker 1 3:08

So this week we are wrapping up season two of the Clone Wars with a three part Boba Fett story arc, and I can already tell that Louie does not like young Boba, so we're going to get into that. So we're also going to talk a little bit about the brotherhood of clones, which is very moving. All the time it's very moving. I, I really like the clones and that the family, uh vibe that they have. We're gonna talk a little bit about uh r2 and some of the, the knowledge that he has or may have, um and uh, a few questions about uh, boba fett and the consequences of the jedi's actions and their accountability and all that fun stuff. So, uh, stay tuned for that.

Speaker 1 3:58

But before we start, we do have to take a moment to recognize our wall of remembrance. We had some harshies this week. We had some harshies. So, uh, thoughts and prayers to our our first casualty. Uh, boba bomb trooper. He took that one for mace. He took that one for mace, took it in the face for mace. Poor guy, that rhymes. That's a t-shirt. That's a t-shirt. Took it in the face for mace and you. That rhymes. That's a t-shirt. That's a t-shirt.

Speaker 3 4:25

Took it in the face for mace and you can take that however you'd like oh, yeah, I mean, take it in the face, whatever community you're in, yeah, whatever community it's october, so you can say that it's fine.

Speaker 1 4:34

However you want to take it, it's perfectly fine. Uh, then we've got our vacuum troopers. Two of those poor boys got sucked out of the the uh, the jedi cruiser when it was uh losing hull integrity. Poor guys and big, big, big hurt. Ct411 commander ponds, commander of lightning squadron. He took a shot to the back of the dome and was unceremoniously dumped into the harsh, cold vacuum of space. Yeah, I was kind of fucked up. She didn't have to do it, but Bulba didn't do it she's a hard ass.

Speaker 2 5:16

She is, she's a savage. She told those kids bye I know she did poetic bye don't just die.

Speaker 1 5:27

I was. I was really expecting to see a shot from outside of the cargo pod with just like a few flashes and some blaster sound effects. I thought that she was gonna saw some like just point blank.

Speaker 3 5:42

I'm surprised she didn't. I'm very surprised.

Speaker 1 5:45

She's just an asshole. She's like you know what? I'm just gonna let them stay in their pod drifting in the great beyond.

Speaker 3 5:52

Well is she an asshole? Or is she just resourceful?

Speaker 1 5:55

no, and knows when you gotta kill a motherfucker well, I mean, like she said, I mean they're they're living witnesses. I mean she is a bounty hunter so when hondo won't fuck with you?

Speaker 4 6:07

that's a whole other level yeah, she's hondo's crazy ex-girlfriend yeah I could see it.

Speaker 1 6:14

I could see that, I could see it too, and I, I love, I love the part where she shows up with boba and the first thing hondo says after she kisses him is he's not mine, is he that? That came out of nowhere. I was not expecting that, so, um. So, again, we're not going to really recap all the episodes. If you watched them, cool. If you haven't, go back and watch them.

Speaker 1 6:39

This is a. This is a fun arc. This is the first time, chronologically, that we are introduced to Boba Fett. Well, no, it's not, it's the second time. It's the first time we see Boba Fett after the events of Attack of the Clones, so after Papa Django gets Sauced, sauced, which is the setup for this entire arc. Boba Fett going after the guy who decapitated his dad, um, in the battle of geonosis. So, um, but anyway.

Speaker 1 7:14

So just a couple of brief things about the episodes uh, the the episode, uh, episode 20. Uh, death trap. It does take place, um, before episode 14 in season 2, the duchess of mandalore. So this stuff is again. Dave has got us all discombobulated with the timeline, so, and then r2 come home and then lethal track down. Lethal track down actually takes place, uh, before episode 5 of season 3. So there's things that transpire in between all of these adventures that we're seeing. So it does that. Uh, does that really play into how you watch this? Nah, I don't think so, not really. So it's just, you know, just have fun with it. Um, so, really cool arc. Um, I would like to go around and get everybody's opinions on this, this arc this week. I feel like daddy louie, I do we start with you or do we end with you?

Speaker 1 8:09

because I feel like you've got, you've got to start and start with daddy louie, because you you already started out by calling out boba this young man.

Speaker 2 8:18

I was a little trauma I was a little harsh on on Boba. Yeah, not necessarily Boba himself. His behavior was very not Boba Like you're seeing. You're seeing yet Right, right, he's not and and the episodes weren't bad. I liked the episodes a lot. I'm very curious to see if we ever find out why Aura Singh is so concerned with Boba, like she kind of gives off this vibe that he's expendable like everybody else. But I get the impression that he's not she probably had a thing with his dad.

Speaker 2 9:04

We don't really get the impression that he's not, but we don't really get, we don't really get deep into that. So I'm just curious. I'm curious if that ever comes to fruition later on. Some, some of you might know I don't, so I would rather not know, cause I'm curious if it happens.

Speaker 1 9:18

Because when they were in the, when they were in that bar, she she said that nothing is going to happen to Boba. Were in that bar, she she said that nothing is going to happen to boba. Yeah, like she she was pretty adamant. She had a fucking lightsaber to her throat, yeah and uh, a jedi in front of her and a crazy padawan behind her, and she was like nothing's gonna happen to boba. So I agree with you.

Speaker 2 9:39

I mean, I'm curious to find out and I think if anybody else was in that position she'd have been like fuck it, you know like, but then she left her, or?

The Evolution of Young Boba Fett

Speaker 2 9:48

you know she did, but I don't why. And that's that. Yeah, I don't know it's I like that dynamic. I I'm curious to see if it ever evolves from there. Um, I, the big thing for me was, uh, daniel logan playing the voice of all of the cadets. Yeah, um, so seeing him kind of uh, you know, playing boba, but also, you know, hearing him try and change up the, the accents and the and the voices for each of the individual cadets, was cool.

Speaker 2 10:23

Um, and I do have a little story about that, but we could save that for.

Speaker 1 10:27

So for people that may not know, explain who Daniel Logan is.

Speaker 2 10:31

Daniel Logan is the actor was child actor now obviously as an adult who played young Boba in attack of the clones. So when they're on Camino and you know they go to see Boba fett or jango fett, door opens, boba answers and then that's, that's daniel logan. So now as an adult he's voicing young boba in the clone wars and and, obviously, doing the multiple voices for the cadets as well, which I thought was super cool, and and he does it throughout, um, and I think they've got him on other projects too. He might voice some other things. I think he might voice other stuff now, but it's cool to see how he once child actor is now, yeah, um, a regular voice actor on one of these major shows, which is super cool I wish and I've actually met daniel logan, so yeah, he's cool, he's.

Speaker 1 11:24

I've actually met Daniel Logan. Yeah, he's cool, you've met him too. Who? Daniel Logan Me, celebration you. Yes, celebration Europe. Oh, that's right.

Speaker 2 11:38

I met him at Legoland.

Speaker 1 11:40

No, we met him at Celebration Europe.

Speaker 2 11:41

Oh yeah, I met him at Legoland. I pulled it down off the wall just to show Nice Signed it up there. Where is it there? There it is, and I got his little picture on the back, nice, and that's his armor. So he has a full Boba Fett suit of armor. Honorary inductee in the 501st did the?

Speaker 1 12:07

did the guys from the dented helmet build that for him? Probably 501st guys?

Speaker 2 12:13

I don't remember um.

Speaker 1 12:14

I honestly, I honestly don't know they built jeremy a suit too, if I'm not mistaken. I just can't remember which which crew did it. Um, I really wish that they could have done something with Jake Lloyd as well. You know, I mean again another child actor. But man, poor Jake, poor Jake, yeah.

Speaker 4 12:37

Yeah, anyway.

Speaker 1 12:38

All right. So, sherry, tony, what are your thoughts on, on young Boba Fett?

Speaker 3 12:47

Oh, I thought I found him very interesting. I thought it was.

Speaker 4 12:52

Go ahead, tony. It was a very cool storyline. Obviously his motivations are crystal clear. It was kind of interesting seeing him struggle with his morality as far as Okay, yeah, I'm in this to kill mace and I will do whatever I have to do to do that, but at the same time, if I can avoid Collateral damage, I would really prefer to. Um, yeah, I thought it was very interesting and I'm curious to see more how he goes from where he is now to where we know he will become yeah, yeah, because I I agree and, sherry, you had started saying something too about uh, about his morality.

Speaker 3 13:35

You know, he, uh, he's not just a cold-blooded, bloodthirsty maniac, I mean, he's, he's really strong no, I I think um, like when we first saw the cadets I was like, wait a minute, this one's out of place. Like um, I said the wrong name, but um, because I was like what? Jango boba? I don't know, but I forgot about both for some reason.

Speaker 3 14:00

I don't know why, but anyway um, everybody tried to forget about boba after that no, I I don't know, I guess, but um, no, I think my favorite part was when he um, when they were in the what is it? The reactor core area oh, yeah, or whatever it was and his brother, basically his brother.

Speaker 3 14:20

I mean, um, because he attacked him and he still, he didn't put a hand on that child, he did because he was one of his brothers and he was, he was a kid. So you know, and I I was really glad Boba only stunned him because I was like, oh no, don't kill him. And so you know, the one was collateral damage, so that's not his. I mean, it's his fault, but you know yeah not really, but yeah, so but he couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 14:49

He couldn't. He couldn't pull the trigger on bond well, those are your own.

Speaker 3 14:53

I mean, it's your own dna, like what? What do you do?

Speaker 1 14:56

I mean not that they can't turn, I just and he and you could tell I I like the way that they did this, because you could tell the struggle that he had, because you could tell that he does have a love or a sense of caring about the clone troopers. But he's trying to reconcile his own individuality. And because he yelled I believe he yelled at Commander Pond he was like I'm not like you, I'm not one of you, like I'm not like you, I'm not, I'm not one of you, I'm not like you.

Speaker 3 15:27

And that's like I feel like that's him lashing out, like I don't think he really believed what he was saying no, because when jack's like, it was jack's right, the young cadet yeah, um, you know basically took him under his wing. So you got another leader type um, and I think he liked it for a minute, especially when they were shooting the the things out in space. And he got it and the guys were like, oh yeah, it's bad-ass. You know, whatever you could see, that his young little face was like, oh, I'm awesome, but then revenge man.

Speaker 1 16:04

Yeah, revenge Now. Do you think? Do you think that the oh, I'm awesome, but then revenge man. Yeah, revenge Now. Do you think that if Boba Fett would have said, you know what, I'm not doing this, and if he turned around and walked back into that escape pod, do you think the other cadets would have taken him back and forgiven him? Or would they have like fucked him up? What do you guys think?

Speaker 2 16:23

100% would have forgiven him.

Speaker 3 16:24

Yeah. That's their brother.

Speaker 2 16:27

Yeah, I think they would have maybe, maybe not like the second he walked in, they might have, you know, tousled a little bit if boba was, if boba came in legitimately, like, hey, like I'm sorry guys, you know, my, my bad, my bad, you know, I think there might be some shoving, maybe a couple punches.

Speaker 3 16:45

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 16:46

And one of them would have stopped in and said no brothers, probably Jack yeah. Yeah so that's exactly what would happen. Yeah, give me a call. I can help you write this stuff.

Speaker 3 16:59

But I think the what's the woman? Bonnie Hunter. What's her name?

Speaker 3 17:03

Aura Singh, aura Singh sing and we see her for the first time in phantom menace well, I really think, because that ship was jango's yeah, slave one is jango so she, she was probably getting down with jango, I mean, come on, and she got that ship from him and she, he, he probably said you know if anything happens to me cause he was going on that mission or whatever. So in the movie, so she knew what was happening. She probably knew probably I'm just speculating obviously Um, and he probably said you got to take care of Boba.

Speaker 1 17:41

So if anything, I was going to ask you about that what? What you thought like did, did jango? I would imagine jango's got a contingency plan for everything. Just let his son just swing. I mean he wanted a son, a child. Bad enough to say give me an unaltered clone, because I mean so that I mean boba is as close to his son as a natural child could be. So I'm a I've. I would have to think that he, he had things in place and and so do you think that he did tell aura?

Speaker 3 18:13

he was like, hey, you know, yeah, it happens to me okay, well, as soon as she like kissed hondo and she had a relationship with this dude, I'm like because she didn't just come upon that damn ship, it's not like she took it away from django. We know that.

Speaker 1 18:31

Oh yeah, no no, no, you know that what you just what you just said. It kind of reminded me of um, we were 30 rock nerds too. So for those of you that don't know, that sh, sherry and I, we are, all about 30.

Boba Fett's Possible Safe Space

Speaker 1 18:44

Rock. So there's an episode it's one of the Christmas episodes with Jack Donaghy and his mom, colleen, and we find out spoiler if you're not a 30 Rock fan spoiler we find out that they were poor growing up but his mom was hooking up with the founder of FAO, schwartz Toys. Every Christmas she was kind of putting out so that the kids had toys for Christmas. Is it possible that Aura hooked up with Hondo to provide Boba with kind of a safe quote, unquote, relatively safe haven where he could maybe learn some things? And, out of the way and kind of off the radar, do you think that she hooked up with him for Boba or did she just hook up with Hondo Because you know Hondo's a?

Speaker 3 19:51

charmer Like in this, in this episode. No, no, no, I mean like before. So I don't think, I don't think it was, that was. So you think that they, you think Aura and Hondo, had a relationship? Oh yeah, way in the past? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because Hondo's, you know, hondo, he's crazy, I mean, I like him.

Speaker 1 20:13

I think he's awesome, but she's crazier.

Speaker 3 20:16

She's, yeah, she's.

Speaker 4 20:18

I think she's just ambitious. Yeah, I mean the thing is I mean again, this is his first. This is Hondo's first time meeting Boba. Boba's at this point at least 12?, 14?, you think he's younger. I mean, I'm saying at the youngest, how old could he be? I would say minimum, he's 12.

Speaker 1 20:41

Like Ahsoka's age, maybe, I think he's around 12 or 14 at this point, because we figure it's uh, what is it? Uh, what we say? It's 20, this is 21, 21, bby, um right, and by the time we see boba the fact that he makes the joke about.

Speaker 4 21:04

Is he mine? If he's that old, like how long has it been since they were together?

Speaker 1 21:11

Like a while. Um, I'm trying to think. So if we I don't know, I'm not good with math, but uh, so the? So this is well, we don't know exactly. I think Boba Fett was 32 BBY. I think that's when he was cloned, and so if this is 21 BBY, so yeah, that makes them what?

Speaker 3 21:36

11 or 12 yeah, because Ahsoka was 14. In Attack or in the Clone Wars animation, she was 14 yeah, so she's a couple years older.

Speaker 1 21:47

That would have been. That would have been an interesting relationship. Boba and Ahsoka teen love across the stars on the wrong side of the tracks. That's a cool. What if MOBA and Ahsoka Teen Love Across the Stars On the wrong side of the tracks?

Speaker 2 22:00

That's a cool. What if? Scenario?

Speaker 1 22:02

Right Like Romeo and Juliet, capulets and Romulans.

Speaker 2 22:06

What if it had been Ahsoka with Mace instead of Anakin with Mace?

Speaker 3 22:11

Ew, oh, oh. You mean as Padawan In this episode. I was like that is way old nice come on on this mission.

Speaker 2 22:21

On this mission, what?

Speaker 1 22:22

if it had been ahsoka with mace. Ahsoka and boba run into each other and they get into a fight, they get into a scuffle, but then she's only 14, everybody A scuffle. I'm not saying anything inappropriate, but she senses his pain and knows that he has a heart. He's the bounty hunter with a heart of gold.

Speaker 3 22:47

Well, I would think Boba is at least.

Speaker 4 22:49

If it was Ahsoka and not Anakin, then they're all dead.

Speaker 3 22:54

That's true. That's true, tony, you're all dead. That's true. That's true, tony, you're all dead. And then R2. Man, I kind of got mad at Mace. I was like dude, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 23:11

Yeah, he was being a jerk to R2.

Speaker 3 23:12

Yeah. Don't be a jerk to our boy when he's like, oh, oh, you're giving him. You're basically letting him have feelings what shut the up, r2 had fun, r2 was having fun and that's why mace, that's why boba wants to kill mace, because he's an so so, along those lines, two questions first, we'll talk about, we'll talk about2.

R2-D2's Awareness and Importance

Speaker 1 23:35

And then I want to ask you about the morality of what Boba's doing. So R2-D2, as we know, as far as we know, he has never had a wipe. He's never had a memory wipe. So he's clearly developed a personality and arguably you could say that he has developed feelings. You know he makes these sounds, he vocalizes fear and sadness and anger. We know that he cusses C-3PO out all the time, all the time. You know. So he's got feelings. So do we? I don't know if this is anywhere out there in canon or not, but do we think that R2 is aware of Anakin's fall? And if so, would you imagine he would be upset about that?

Speaker 2 24:33

There's no way he could have known. I mean unless it got, because, because if assuming r2 has been with leia since they became the uh, since 3po and r2 became part of the Bail Organa family or whatever, assuming all of that, he doesn't know that Anakin survived, right, he only knows what he's been told oh, I didn't think about that. And because he's a droid, he's not going to get any sort of sense from Vader, and Vader never acts like Anakin, at least never when we see him on live action.

Speaker 2 25:21

So you cannot the only thing that bothers me is if Vader becomes more aware of Anakin throughout ESB and Return of the Jedi, right when he sees R2, would that not trigger? Because Vader sees R2, right, there's gotta be. So how would that not trigger Anakin, right, you would think, the way that he senses Obi-Wan, the way that he senses Luke, would he not notice that the blue and white droid that was basically his best friend for, or his wife's best friend, or you know what I mean, like they were together all through the Clone Wars?

Speaker 1 26:13

That was his droid. I mean, that was his droid for sure. And we could see it in these episodes, yeah, and three peos with padme all the time, and we do see, we do see vader there. I don't know if this was ever explained either. We'll have to look it up. But in in esb, when they're in the carbon freezing chamber, he does not allow boba fett to shoot chewbacca because and c-3po is on chewy's back yes, did he. Why did vader stop boba fett from saucing chewbacca right then and there?

Speaker 3 26:51

yeah, because there was that was the opportunity so maybe so I mean he still has the memory

Speaker 4 27:00

but the thing when it comes, when it comes to R2 is I remember reading this, reading this while back is that the last time? Like it's a point all throughout the original trilogy is that every time somebody tells R2 to stay here, he never fucking stays there. He always goes and does whatever he needs to do. But the theory is that this goes back to the last time that he stayed where he was told to stay was the last time he saw Anakin. Yeah, because Anakin told him to stay with the ship and then he never came back because he went and fought Obi-Wan and lost. Oh, and R2 never saw him again. From that point on, so how did that.

Speaker 4 27:49

R2 was like fuck you.

Speaker 1 27:51

I'm not staying here. I don't stay put anymore. Fuck that.

Speaker 3 27:56

Okay, that's a good one, Tony Holy shit. I don't stay put anymore. Fuck that, that's a good one, tony Holy shit. I didn't think about that.

Speaker 1 28:01

I think it's possible over the years, because we know R2's nosy as fuck. It's possible that over the years I don't think anybody told him or took the time to console him and say, anakin, no, he may have overheard some shit.

Speaker 3 28:16

That's what I'm saying yeah, he may have overheard some shit over here. Of course he overheard. I mean, come on he's nosy he didn't have a sense for it. But the little, that little shit could fight. He's cracking me up and he grabbed that ship and just took off.

Speaker 1 28:31

I was like okay I like when he when he dropped the thermal detonator oh, that was hilarious. Clone dropped the thermal detonator.

Speaker 4 28:36

Oh, that was hilarious.

Speaker 1 28:37

Clone Trooper's thermal detonator off and dropped it down that shaft and he's just like he was, he had the boxes. He's like la la la, he was having a good time. So R2-D2 is and there's always these debates online. You know R2 versus Chopper and we're not going to get into it, but that's because chopper's got this great personality as well very r2, I mean.

Speaker 2 29:03

I I know nobody likes to talk about the sequels, but bb-8 is a cool ass droid. He's got dang good personality.

Speaker 1 29:11

I think bb-8 is cool as shit bb-8 is cool, but he's more cute than cool. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 29:16

I mean he's I don't know that person, that the? Uh, what is it? The? The, the force awakens when they're having trouble in the millennium falcon yeah finn is trying to work with him and he was like flying around and he gives them the finger with the little light. A little lighter.

Speaker 3 29:41

I think they were trying to make another R2-D2.

Speaker 2 29:45

And I mean he won't ever be as good as R2-D2, but R2-D2 has also had like nine films and a whole show to evolve 50 years.

Speaker 1 29:55

To develop as a character. To develop as a character 50 years.

Speaker 3 29:58

Yeah, yeah, you can't replace it, he's just the sweetest. And what was interesting is that I was telling Tom that when he did get You're so sweet, we saw this guy too.

Speaker 1 30:09

For the first time Bosk.

Speaker 3 30:11

Frickin' Bosk, when Luke got R2D2, he didn't wipe him, no, he just cleaned him. He just gave him the bath, which is interesting because you usually wipe every droid you get.

Speaker 4 30:24

But if he'd wiped him, they wouldn't have gotten the message from Leia.

Speaker 3 30:27

No, no, no, I know, but what I'm saying is I know he's a robot, but there had to be some kind of force, something, something for him not to wipe R2.

Speaker 1 30:41

It's just one of those things that.

Speaker 3 30:43

I know that's part of the script, but you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 30:45

Sure but sometimes it's like he's the only droid in the galaxy that never gets a memory wipe.

Speaker 3 30:53

No, and he knows everything.

Speaker 1 30:54

He knows everything.

Speaker 2 30:55

He knows everything and like he still probably has like secret plans somewhere buried in his his circuit oh yeah, if he's never been wiped and he's never deleted any of his own files, you can only imagine what that guy's got in his data log well there should be a whole storyline on him, trying to capture him with all the information Tales of Archer too, because he sits in every meeting in the background just chilling, listening to everything, like when he busted into the Jedi temple and just freaking.

Speaker 3 31:33

no one stopped him Listen, any other droid somebody would have been like what is wrong with this dude? Somebody would have stopped. But because it's R2, everybody knows and it's Anakin's droid he just lost him through and then tried to have a fight with the other one. Get the fuck out of my way. Yeah, that was great too.

Speaker 1 32:02

He started pulling all his shit out like I'm gonna beat your ass about the weight and sherry, like you said. People were just like oh, that's anakin's droid, here we go.

Speaker 3 32:06

Well, when ahsoka said it they were like, oh okay, well, let him play what he's got to play, because apparently it's important. But my thing is is like plow clue dude. You've seen this dude in meetings like don't act like you don't know who he is. Okay, he's always in wherever anakin is, usually r2's, not far right there yeah, right, but remember they don't.

Speaker 1 32:29

They don't see droids the same way that, like anakin and ahsoka do I know that because they don't have no attachment blah it's just a toaster. As far as they're concerned, it's just a piece of equipment.

Speaker 1 32:39

But you know, they save their ass, yeah times, yeah, I mean holy fuck a lot of times for ahsoka, that's r2e, that's her r2e, that's. I mean, that's, that's her, that's her buddy too. And oh, and speaking of ahsga, I love, I love the line um, in that that plow clune says to her about being more subtle and that you know you you picked up some of your master's traits. She's like what I was, subtle, what okay, she was subtle, that was not her fault.

Speaker 1 33:11

Well, we didn't see. We didn't see the other, the other four bars no, no, no.

Speaker 3 33:20

I know those, but I'm just saying on that last place.

Speaker 1 33:23

She was being fairly subtle, like she wasn't, but I could totally see her busting into one of those bars, whipping out the lightsaber where's, where's Aura Singh Slimo? You know, I can totally see her doing it, and then Plowshares is back, like like oh.

Speaker 3 33:43

Ashoka. I love his voice, I love it. It's almost up there with Optimus Prime.

Speaker 1 33:47

He's like a mild tempered Batman. He's like if Batman was not so uptight, like if Batman got more ass, I feel like he would be chilled. If batman got ass and smoked weed, he would be plowed.

Speaker 3 34:01

He would be plowed 100 I like ahsoka's ascent, like you can see her progression. Yes, because when she stood there and actually focused her, she's fucking powerful as fuck.

Speaker 1 34:13

For a 14 year old, I'm like damn bitch she was tuning into people like a fuck, like fucking radio stations. Yeah, like she closed, she was like listening. She was like, nope, not that. And then she would like tune into a different conversation nope, not that one. That is a hundred percent control. Yeah, she's getting she's getting.

Speaker 3 34:31

So they're not. They don't have to teach her the force, they just need her, she. She needs some discipline.

Speaker 4 34:36

Right.

Speaker 2 34:37

And that's what Anakin's supposed to teach her and he's not teaching everybody else.

The Complexities of Jango Fett's Character

Speaker 1 34:42

Anakin's got stuff to do. Anakin's got things to blow up. He's in a war. Yeah, he's got things to do. So now it's going to be really fun once we get up to Rebels, once we see Ahsoka and rebels, once we see ahsoka again in her, her series. You know, having having all of this, you know, just still fresh in our minds, and then we get to experience adult ahsoka, you know, in a new, we're going to see her in a new way. So, um, so let's get serious for a minute. Let's get real. Can we get real, guys? Sure, sure, we're gonna talk about morality.

Speaker 1 35:20

So I, boba fett, saw his father decapitated. Now say what you want about jango fett. Uh, right or wrong, you know, like he said, he's just, you know, a simple man trying to make his way in the universe. So someone offered him this opportunity to get fucking paid. Pay, hey, hey, if he would be the, you know, the genetic seed for an entire army. You know. So he's, he's a mercenary, he's, you know, yeah, okay, I'll do it. Sure, you know.

Speaker 1 35:55

But we do find out through Hondo that he was in fact an honorable man. You know, we do hear other little things about Django through. You know the years. You know, through you know the extended universe and other sources, that he was not like a bad guy Necessarily. He was legit, just a bounty hunter. You know. Know he's a mercenary, he's just trying to make his way in the universe. Like he said, a simple man, but he still wanted a child, he still wanted to have someone to love. You know, presumably yeah, and then so for you know, like boba didn't know that they were on the wrong side. You know Dooku didn't even feel that he was on the wrong side. You know they thought that they were doing the right thing by fighting against the corrupt Republic and, as we're seeing, there's no doubt about it. The Republic is absolutely corrupt and it was corrupt before Palpatine got his mitts on it. So you know, the corruption in the senate was a very real thing. So dooku and the other separatists, they saw this.

Speaker 3 37:02

They were, you know but they also are exploiting it. They're not really fixing it.

Speaker 1 37:08

So they do some fucked up shit. No, no doubt about it, they do some fucker shit. But you know, grievous is evil duke, who fell way the fuck off in into the dark side. Yes, but you know, when you look at jango, like I can't see an evil man, and I'm sure that boba didn't see an evil man either. He saw his dad, who was, you know, who had. He had a job. You know he was there every night. He was home every night. You know there's. You know. Yeah, yeah, you know he was. He was a single father.

Speaker 2 37:42

He was also cheerleading his dad from the back seat, telling him to shoot the shit out of the jedi starfighter get him dad, get him dad.

Speaker 3 37:52

Yeah, that's so fun for the day yeah.

Speaker 1 38:01

And then when they were, when he dropped that seismic bomb and they thought that you know they'd killed Obi-Wan, boba Fett was like, yeah, but also think about it. He's been indoctrinated into this Mandalorian culture to distrust and not like Jedi. Jedi they're. They're the oppressors, they're the colonizers, they're the baby stealers. You know, that's, that's probably what he's been told his entire life. So to Boba Fett, the Jedi are the bad guys like they're the evil, scary ones.

Speaker 2 38:33

And so, of course, you're going to cheer dad up.

Speaker 1 38:36

We have a hand, tony, go ahead Quick aside on that.

Speaker 4 38:42

We mentioned this when we were doing the Mandalorian arc, that the Fetts aren't really Mandalorians.

Speaker 2 38:50

I was going to say the same thing Did he actually grow up in that culture?

Speaker 1 38:54

Well it's. The clones were trained um by mandalorians. I don't know if that's canon anymore. That was in, that was in the books, that was in the expanding universe we don't really talk about this I know I know, but it ain't canon. They were they, they were trained. I mean because that's why the computer trained them. They were, they were trained. I mean because that's why the computer they were, they were trained by, by mandalorians. I don't know if we actually end up seeing that or not we've never seen that.

Speaker 3 39:23

I don't think we've seen.

Speaker 4 39:24

So I don't think boba counts as a clone in that case because, again, boba like as far as I'm concerned, boba was trained by jango directly oh yeah, that's definitely but we still don't know.

Speaker 1 39:37

So as far as like canon is concerned, we still don't know the truth, like jango and boba's backgrounds are still murky. You know, the most that we've ever gotten in canon was when we, when we see his chain code, when we see boba fett's chain code for the first time people have it's. It's in Mandoa and people have translated it. So, and you know it, it talks about, I think, jaster, muriel and Concordia. I'll have to look back at it, but you know that chain code has been partially deciphered. So there is definitely a connection between the FETs and Mandalore. I know George has come out many, many times and he said I never said they were Mandalorians, they just have Mandalorian armor. But he's also never denied that they're Mandalorians. He has also never come out and say they are not Mandalorians.

Speaker 3 40:40

Maybe they were like captured like in the um uh, what was the oh my God Din? Yes, yeah, I captured, but he was rescued maybe, and maybe kind of raised in that environment.

Speaker 1 40:58

It's possible absolutely, I mean so, and that it's again that's. That's all still very, very murky, but yeah, so so we, we don't know yet. I'm hoping that we will. We will officially find out. Maybe it's in some books that I haven't read yet. I don't know, um, but know, but I'm sure we'll find out.

Speaker 1 41:16

I did find out about the no disintegrations thing. There's a book series out and it's canon, and is it called the from a certain point of view? I think it's called from a certain point of view, but there's, there's short stories and yeah, yeah, and I guess there's the reason that boba fett. Boba fett was on a job for darth vader and he ended up disintegrating some, some rebels that vader wanted alive so he could question him, and so when he heard about the, the, the bounty on solo, he decided to take that on so he could get back in vader's good graces, since he fucked up the last job. That's why, when vader vader's like no disintegrations, just to let him know that, you know what? I'll give you a, some, giving you a second chance, motherfucking bounty hunter, but don't fucking blow it. So I would love to read that. I would love to read that book because there's I guess it's just all full of short stories just from. You know different characters, so it looks good. Maybe maybe santa claus will bring that for me.

Speaker 1 42:26

I don't know that'd be nice hint, hint wait she's taking notes.

Speaker 4 42:29

Right now she's writing it down there.

Boba Fett's Justification for Vengeance

Speaker 1 42:30

You got some talking about. That's what I'm talking about. So the morality question. You know we don't know who put Boba Fett up to this. I'm assuming that it's. You know he wants to do this. Do we think that he is? He's justified to seek this level of vengeance? And I loved in this episode it said that you know how there's all the little moral at the beginning, the little fortune cookie wisdom at the beginning of each episode. And in this one it said revenge is a confession of pain.

Speaker 2 43:07

And I was like, oh, yeah, I was like oh, me too, it's true.

Speaker 1 43:13

And we see Boba's pain in this, like, oh, it's true, and we see boba's pain in this. So, and and, and I don't know if it was boba that did this or if it was one of the other bounty hunters I would assume it's boba but putting jango's helmet in the ship rigged with a bomb that was cold-blooded so my question is is who dug out the head to get him the helmet it?

Speaker 2 43:33

flew flies out oh it flies out.

Speaker 3 43:37

Yeah, okay, immediately after.

Speaker 4 43:41

Jango dies. You see Boba holding the helmet.

Speaker 3 43:45

Oh, I know, but did it fly off?

Speaker 2 43:49

Did the head come out of the helmet? Yeah, he picks it up and the head just falls. It's like a floppy whip when you, uh, when you open a can of cranberry sauce and it just congeals out.

Speaker 3 44:04

That's my question.

Speaker 1 44:05

So if you did, we see that did, we did, we did, we did actually see it. It's very, very subtle and so it flies off.

Speaker 2 44:14

Is it when the head's rolling?

Speaker 1 44:15

no, no, no, no. So when, when he's decapitated, and we see the helmet flying?

Speaker 1 44:23

yeah if you look on the ground, you see the shadow of the head flying out of the helmet. Okay, so that was something that would put in, because people were like, yeah is his, because if you've ever worn this boy just holding the helmet, okay, so that was something that was put in because people were like, yeah is his, because if you've ever worn this boy just holding the helmet, but if you've ever worn one of these helmets like usually they're pretty well padded, like his helmet or his head would not have just fallen out like that's my thing picking it up.

Speaker 2 44:49

It would have been like shaking it like come on, dad, get out of there have been guts and blood coming out of the bottom of the bucket. I mean, I don't know. He's flying.

Speaker 3 44:57

Yeah.

Speaker 1 44:58

Like in what was it Tropic Thunder, when he holds up the head and he's messing with the bottom and all this shit coming up. But what do we think about that? What do we think about Boba's morality here? I mean, is he justified?

Speaker 2 45:18

I think he is justified, I mean in his own mind I'm sure that he is right, right.

Speaker 1 45:20

No, I mean it's revenge, that's I'm saying, I'm saying not even on that level, I'm saying not even like, like in his mind. Yes, I think, without a doubt, he wants to take revenge, he wants to avenge his father's death. I mean he, he had a. It was a clean, honorable death on the field of battle. Yes, you know it was, it was a.

Speaker 3 45:40

It was a good child, doesn't know that I mean he had to be, like you know, maybe 10, 9, 10, right, so he wants to avenge his father.

Speaker 1 45:48

So, looking looking from outside of that, looking in, is he justified to to go to these lengths to take out mace windu because he can't go toe-to-toe with him?

Speaker 2 46:05

I mean, mace didn't need to like do that little pose after he decapitated him, like he did the whole little thing and he goes bam, and then he like sits. He like he like holds the little thing and he goes bam, and then he like sits, he like he like holds the pose and then he like looks like with he didn't need to do that he was very satisfied, but that was you could have just decapitated and kept going like no, but that's again. That's a pause for him that was his motherfucker pose.

Speaker 1 46:31

Right was daniel l jackson couldn't say the words motherfucker in the movie, so he said it with his body there was nothing clean about that.

Speaker 2 46:40

Well, there was no blood you know, no, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 4 46:43

I love louis making the argument that that's on the end, so. So I'm just curious, lou louis, if, if a batter hits a home run off off the pitcher and stares him down too long to see the third day's murder Exactly.

Speaker 1 47:00

That's what this was. I feel like that pose. Mace Windu's pose. That should be sign language for motherfucker. They should enter that pose into American sign language. That should be just international sign language, the pose if you want to call someone a motherfucker Mace Windu pose.

Speaker 3 47:22

I think he was in his own mind. Yes, I think he's justified, but he does have which is funny, he does have a good basis on morality, because he wasn't trying to kill all the Jedi, like everybody else wanted to do. That wasn't his focus.

Speaker 2 47:40

He just wanted Mace.

Speaker 1 47:41

And he didn't want to blow up the whole ship, or he wanted to blow up the whole fucking ship and he didn't want to do it.

Speaker 3 47:46

No, he didn't want to kill his brothers, he didn't want to kill the other Jedi.

Speaker 2 47:50

He went into the hostages and he said this is not what I wanted. He went into the hostages and he said this is not what I wanted. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 47:56

Just so you know.

Speaker 2 47:57

Yeah, he didn't want nothing to do with that. It was good to see that and he was very upset.

Speaker 4 48:01

To answer the question his original plan to basically just sneak a bomb in the Mesa's door so that when he walks in he can get out. There's an argument to be made that from his point of view, that was fair.

Speaker 1 48:19

Yes.

Speaker 4 48:22

Everything that happened after that, the extremes to which it got. That's where you can't really make that argument anymore, Right.

Speaker 2 48:31

But from that point on it felt like he was like when he was in the ship doing that. It felt more personal. After that it felt more guided. It like like aura singh was guiding him more, like he was the whole, throughout the whole time. He was reluctant the entire time. After that initial drop in the bomb that didn't work, or whatever everything after that he was like I'm good, like we don't, you don't need to do this, yeah, um, which I think goes back to what the morality of jingo was, because if boba's morality is just, you know, I'm only going to, I'm only going to take from those who need to be taken from, kind of thing. And if you learn that from Jango, then now we're starting to learn a little bit about Jango, which makes me a little confused because I don't know that Jango would have just stood by Dooku while Dooku tried to take out all of these Jedi.

Speaker 1 49:41

Well, again you know, jedi are the bad guys from their perspective.

Speaker 3 49:47

But that wasn't for your turn about when Jango right.

Speaker 2 49:51

Yeah.

Jango Fett's Bounty Hunter Career

Speaker 3 49:52

It wasn't important to him. I mean, he's still a bounty hunter, so that wasn't his doing. He didn't do it, he's just going to stand there. He's like dude, that's on you. None of my like Hondo. Morality is different.

Speaker 2 50:09

But he doesn't need the money right, Because they're already paying him a shit ton of money on Kamino. Yeah, he has enough money to last him a lifetime. So at this point he's bounty hunting for the hell of it, like for the fun of it.

Speaker 1 50:21

What you mean on GNU of this.

Speaker 2 50:23

Right. Well, that whole, every all of the bounty hunting that he does that takes place in Attack of the Clones, that's all for shits and giggles. For Jango yeah, because he's already. He's not doing it for money.

Speaker 3 50:34

He also takes Boba with him to certain things.

Speaker 2 50:40

He's training him Correct.

Speaker 3 50:42

I think he was using it as a teachable moment for Boba.

Speaker 1 50:47

Here's how to fascinate a sleeping princess.

Speaker 3 50:50

Whatever, it's a job. It's a job. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying you know, we really do have bounty hunters in this world, so they're focused on their mission and who they're supposed to capture.

Speaker 1 51:08

now some people can get in their way and we know that happens um, you gotta take, I don't know, I don't, I don't think that's a morale issue, that's, it's a job it's a job, so he's just doing his job and he's, you know, he's, he's I'm sure that he's not a good man.

Speaker 3 51:25

I mean, it doesn't mean that he's not a good man, it's just right you know, we do.

Speaker 1 51:30

We do see him gray area. Yes, he does. He does operate in a morally gray area. Yeah, we do see him try to, you know, minimize civilian casualties. Yeah, you know, when we see Zam Wessel getting, you know when he takes her out. You know he shoots her with that saber dart. He could have just launched his rocket down there, wiped everybody out, right. But he shoots her with that saber dart. He could have just launched his rocket down there, wiped everybody out but he didn't do that because it's not necessary right, right, but I do think that at this point he's on retainer.

Speaker 1 52:05

I don't think that it's even like, like he's still he's working, for he's in the employ of you know. So when we, when we see him coordinating the assassination attempt on Padme, that was at the behest of his employer, count.

Speaker 2 52:20

Dooku, which was Dooku yeah, I didn't see that which was ultimately at the behest of.

Speaker 1 52:30

Palpatine Jango, who hired Sam who then used a droid to drop off bugs at Padme's door, and had Jango not used that Kaminoan saber dart, they never would have fucking found him Because of that whole chain, that whole chain.

Speaker 4 52:53

But yeah so. I don't know. So begs the question then did, did the kaminoans hire jango or did do you could find him? Or go to jango and say, hey, you're gonna go to Kamino and do this.

Speaker 1 53:14

So I think that it was all like a package deal. The Kaminoans were hired to create this clone army. Django was hired to be the donator and other duties as assigned. As we've seen on many, many job offerings, it's like, yeah, we're going to hire you to do this and other jobs as assigned, other tasks as assigned.

Speaker 1 53:42

He was Dooku's bodyguard on Geonosis. He was there to act as muscle. He didn't engage in the actual battle. Initially, he was just there to keep Dooku safe. He was just there to, you know, keep Dooku safe and then, when that, when that was getting a little complicated, he had to jump down there and do his thing. Unfortunately, mace did his thing a little bit better, sadly, but I don't know. There you are.

Speaker 1 54:07

And so one more thing to think about before we wrap things up the accountability and the consequences of jedi involvement in things. We won't talk about it now because we don't have time, but you know everything that the jedi do, as as well intended as as they think it is, we're seeing the consequences of that. We're seeing the consequences always of their arrogance, of their short-sightedness. You know, why did they not take young Boba with them? You know they love taking in kids, so why didn't the Jedi take this young boy, unless he was spirited away by someone else who was, you know, off camera that we didn't see. I I don't know how. I think he ran to the ship. That's entirely possible. I I have. I have no idea how he gets from geonosis to where we see him in this the story arc. You know what's? What's that? What's that story?

Speaker 3 55:11

what's well like to read about that. Well, we know he knows how to fly the ship, sure, yeah, so he probably flew it and went to his, you know, the nearest associate that he knew his father dealt with and maybe jango. Maybe jango told him, if things go sideways, go here, go see, or probably did yeah, he's got a plan, I mean everything is calculated, like louis said I would love to know that story.

Speaker 1 55:38

I I wonder if it's out there maybe not, but you know if it's not out there, then it needs to be written that that time frame between geonosis and that, uh, this, this story arc that we just saw, I want to say I want to know, want to know. I want to know how they got hooked up.

Speaker 4 55:58

Does anyone have anything else? We need a Book of Boba Fett. Preview.

Speaker 1 56:01

We do. We need Tales of Boba Fett or Tales of the Bounty Hunters. There's a book series, tales of the Bounty Hunters. We got Tales of the Jedi. We got Tales of the Sith.

Speaker 1 56:12

Let's see Tales of the Bounty Hunters. Let's see more about Boba and Aura and Bosk and Dengar. Let's see more of these guys. That would be fun, that would be great. So, dave, I know it's been a couple of days since I talked to you, but I know you're listening, buddy, so let's see that next. Please, tales of the Bounty Hunters. I would love it. So anything else? Nope, nope, all right. So we are going to be on a hiatus for the next two weeks. So no homework. So we're going to be off for the next two weeks as we head out to the lair of daddy louie to uh, to shoot our next season of star wars, safe space. So, um, until then, no homework. But if you haven't caught all of our episodes, now is a perfect time to catch up. And, of course, do be sure to tell your friends and your enemies all about us, depending on how you feel and we've got to do our obligatory pimping.

Speaker 1 57:08

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Speaker 3 57:50

It makes me feel wear some really provocative costumes we, we're going to have to put plastic on.

Speaker 4 57:57

I've been there. It's more of a fun-gen than a dungeon. Ooh, a fun-gen.

Speaker 1 58:01

Ooh, I like that. We're going to be heading to the fun-gen to do our thing. We're going to be going over season three of the Clone Wars and, folks, it's not going to stop. I mean, yeah, there's a couple filler episodes here and there, but this ride is just going to get more and more wild as we go on with the Clone Wars, I can't wait. Rebels I can't wait because I've not seen every episode of Rebels. So that's going to be a lot of fun and I'm so excited to share that experience with you guys. So, guys, gals and non-binary pals, I'm very, very excited to do that. So again, circle, nerdcom, slash, merch, follow us at the SWS show, on all the socials and let us know if you'd like to see anything else from us. You know you want to see us do some reviews. You want to see us do some uh, I don't know some unboxings or anything like that, which we do have set up to do all right point maybe.

Speaker 1 59:02

Maybe, while we're on our break, we can finally do some unboxings because I've got 37.

Appreciation for Star Warriors

Speaker 1 59:08

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