Clone Wars Season 3, Ep13-16: Dazed by Dathomir

Night Sisters, The Bros, and some Star Wars trivia. All that and more this week as we deep dive episodes 13 through 16 of Clone Wars Season 3. Join us as we navigate the emotional intensity of these episodes, sharing how they left us awed and a bit frazzled. Alongside discussing Savage Opress and his intriguing backstory, we highlight our ongoing mission to watch all Star Wars content in chronological order, even though our lord and savoir, Dave Filoni, isn't exactly making that easy for us. 

Our insights into the intricacies of Star Wars lore promise an engaging episode for anyone eager to explore the complex world-building that captivates fans worldwide. Join us, fellow Star Warriors, as we uncover more about ourselves and the galaxy far, far away.

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• 0:00 Star Wars Recap and Discussion
• 7:03 Species and Planets in Star Wars

Transcript

Star Wars Recap and Discussion

Speaker 1 0:00

Pray to God. Pray to God.

Speaker 2 0:03

Coming up this week. I got nothing. What the hell did we just watch?

Speaker 1 0:08

What the hell did we just watch? We watched awesomeness. Star Wars just became an entire other galaxy.

Speaker 2 0:14

folks, yeah, things just got really, really real, so stick around. Clone Wars, season 3, Episodes 13 through 16. This week, on your Star Wars safe space, don't go anywhere. I did press record.

Speaker 1 0:53

Yes.

Speaker 2 0:54

Good Cause. I look at it and it says stop recording.

Speaker 2 0:57

So, all right, I try to make sure every time now because, all right, man, we are still a little frazzled 's from that watch. Wow, all right. Howdy star warriors, welcome to star wars. Safe space, your non-toxic, low sodium star wars show. That doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that george lucas originally intended the lead role in star wars to be an 18 year old girl, but then opted to change to a boy that we know as Luke, and we wouldn't see a female lead again until Rey in the Force Awakens, like 40 years later. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 1:35

It is crazy. So, whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little Swarzy curious, this is your Star Wars safe space and we are the Circle of Nerds and we do absolutely love star wars, even though we don't always like it. No, there's a couple times we haven't liked it, but we'll see what happens but not this week the case this week, not this week. All right, so let's, uh, let's, meet the crew, shall we? So from my left you're right, star of stage and screen, it is the sensational sherry hello, everyone Look at her looking like a sage ventress a little bit there.

Speaker 3 2:07

Just a little bit.

Speaker 2 2:08

I gotta get the stuff, the little stripeys on there. There you go, but it's cold in the lair, so it is cold down here in Daddy's dungeon it's a little chilly. He likes to keep it that way. Keeps our nipples hard. That for the show and hailing from parts unknown, it is T to the O-D-O-D-O-D-O-D.

Speaker 1 2:27

Welcome back to the galaxy, everybody.

Speaker 2 2:31

And coming to you almost live from the Outer Rim Territory of Bostween. Why almost live? Because they're not going to watch this live or listen to it live, so it's almost live Like we're recording it live. Obviously because we're alive From the Outer Rim.

Speaker 4 2:45

Territory.

Speaker 2 2:46

Bust a wee, and it's Daddy Louie.

Speaker 4 2:49

Bust a wee, and it's Daddy Louie. Is that what you said?

Speaker 2 2:53

I'm not okay, you are a bit taken aback, you are frazzled, you are befuddled, all of the things yeah.

Speaker 4 3:03

Emotional damage. We literally no damage yeah.

Speaker 2 3:06

We literally just got done watching episodes 13 through 16, and we hope that you did your homework and watched with us, because, yikes, yikes, so I'm supposed to introduce myself. Yeah, so anyway, I'm Tommy D.

Speaker 4 3:19

All right, we have a lot to unpack this week, I mean it's 11, and Tony and I are drinking there. You go.

Speaker 2 3:31

So what are we doing here? Well, aside from trying to heal our emotional wounds from this last batch of episodes, we're on a mission to watch every Star Wars film and TV show in sort of chronological order based on the will of our Lord and Savior Dave Hail, dave Hail, dave and yeah, so maybe, hopefully, learn something about ourselves along the way, and a little bit more about Star Wars as well. We learned a lot about Star Wars today. Yeah, we did Nike, alright. So a word of warning there will. We did Nike, all right. A word of warning there will be spoilers If you didn't do your homework.

Speaker 2 4:11

Sorry, I won't tell you Watch it and come back. Pause, we'll wait, welcome back. Welcome back, I hope you enjoyed it. All right, we're going to get on to it. Do we have news?

Speaker 1 4:26

no, okay, I'm yeah nope there it is, that's okay, no news is good news.

Speaker 2 4:35

We're a little frazzled, little frazzled, yeah, a little frazzled, no news. Do you guys remember you two probably don't, you may but you were outside playing while I was inside watching TV as a youngster. So there was a show, I believe it was called the Great Space Coaster. Do you remember that?

Speaker 1 4:51

It's a great space coaster.

Speaker 2 4:53

Now you own the house more than me. On the great space coaster, get on board. I was outside so they had a. They had a skit on there where it was uh, this, this, uh, like newscaster, his, his name was gary gnu and he was a gnu, so I think maybe it's pronounced a new.

Speaker 2 5:15

it's like I think you're going off a tangent I am, but it was a goat, like it was a goat. I'm getting there, just trust the process. Oh, he was a. A new is a goat like creature, okay, um, keeper of the lore, can you, lore master, can you look that up for us please? It's a, it's a gnu, maybe, is it, but anyway, it's like a goat like creature. Good, new goat like creature, something like that. Yeah so, but he would. He would start the show with I'm gary gnu with the news, and no good newsos is good ganoos with Gary Ganeau.

Speaker 3 5:46

So we have no news, are you sure, you?

Speaker 2 5:48

didn't make this up in your mind. I promise you, you can even look up the Great Space Coaster or look up Gary Ganeau. Great Space Coaster, yeah, okay, no, ganoos is good ganoos with Gary Ganeau. He was kind of like a Walter Cronkite type of character. I know you guys have heard of him and that's the way it is.

Speaker 4 6:13

And that's the way the cookie comes, I might have to leave.

Speaker 1 6:16

He had a weird greenish color with a yeah.

Speaker 4 6:21

Oh yeah, he was like a puppet yeah they were all puppets.

Speaker 2 6:25

I never saw that Gary Gnu, but I never knew if it was pronounced gnu or new. I don't know. It doesn't matter, because we're talking about star wars and not the new.

Speaker 1 6:33

It's new right the g is silent, I would imagine it so you know what the creature is.

Speaker 2 6:37

You've seen these creatures you're familiar with these creatures no computer. Is it a goat creature?

Speaker 1 6:44

Is that what it is? It kind of is, because of the coloration the nose is prominent. But I don't know that I would necessarily call it a goat, is it a goat-like creature?

Speaker 2 6:55

Is it a cloven-hooved beast? It's not a cloven-hooved beast. Does it fly?

Speaker 4 7:00

Yeah, that's what I remember.

Speaker 3 7:03

We're going off task.

Speaker 2 7:09

It has green skin. So I don't know, the new like an actual real life new or gary ganoe?

Speaker 4 7:10

what? Gary ganoe? Gary ganoe? Oh, I don't think it's ganoe, I think it's new. Is it new?

Speaker 2 7:14

I don't know can we get a clip of that? Can we get a?

Speaker 4 7:18

I'd like to watch it now. Okay, we're not watching it.

Speaker 2 7:21

We have to go with the shirt okay, so uh let's you're off on a tangent, I am. So last week we we talked about um, we had the night sisters, and now we're, you know, getting to to look at the, the bros, uh, and this one, and we've got, uh, episode 13 with monster and savage oppress and, good lord, I mean they hooked him up, they did, I mean, but but the way that they got him, I mean him and his brother were just chilling in the village, but well, and he kept saying, like you know, just don't put attention on yourself.

Speaker 3 8:00

And I'm like, well then, don't go up there, like did you have to go out?

Speaker 2 8:03

I think, maybe they did. I think, maybe they did. They may have been like ridiculed by the rest of the tribe had they not gone out for it. But I mean, the rest of the tribe didn't go out for it, they were just in the back.

Speaker 3 8:13

So why didn't he just stay in the back?

Speaker 2 8:16

They may not have known what they were getting into, because later on remember later on when Anakin and Obi-Wan go to the boy's town to ask about what happened and said that Savage was taken to be one of the Nightsisters' mates yeah, I'm assuming that's what happens. So is that what normally what we think would happen?

Speaker 3 8:43

Yeah, and they have to show their prowess and you know like you're going to make the strongest women, because that's all they make is women, so right, and then they go.

Speaker 2 8:51

basically, it's like a booty call. Unless, if a male is born, it just goes, goes to the back, to the but they their planet, right, but they were also talking about about athorians, so, and I thought there is a planet, yeah, and then there's females, so but, like darth maul has always been called a zabrakian, so we've got zabrakians and athorians um maybe that was the original maybe, I don't know what is.

Speaker 2 9:16

What is the difference between a zabrakian and an athorian? We'll find out here, in moments, moments from now, we will find out. Okay, so sabrakian is the species yes, authoria dathomir is the planet right but what's the authorian?

Speaker 1 9:34

right a different planet a different planet.

Speaker 2 9:36

So sabrakians, that is the species, like okay, okay, so so they're just on a different planet but we we found out they were brought from Thoria to Dathomir, probably to impregnate the women, probably just as they're just studying them out, maybe they're the warriors of their species.

Speaker 3 9:53

So, on their planet. They probably have a decent selection On their planet.

Speaker 4 9:59

They got a decent selection.

Speaker 3 10:01

They have women and men and babies and all that.

Speaker 2 10:05

I'm sure they have a full society and culture.

Speaker 3 10:07

Like a military camp. You get picked or maybe you feel like you're worthy and go with them and then learn and train and know that you're going to be a mate for one of these.

Speaker 2 10:23

So are they using the Zabrakians as donors, as sperm donors? Yeah, because if so, wouldn't. Wouldn't the night sisters have horns? Although we do see them covered up, mostly, we don't really see their, their heads. Asajj didn't have horns, though maybe the females don't have horns, maybe the females are right. Zebrakians are born without horns maybe?

Speaker 4 10:43

no, they do, because if you go back to uh the acolyte which isn't a spoiler, because we've already talked about- oh yeah, that's right, the uh, the zebrackian mother, yeah, she had horns so she had horns, so they definitely have females that have horns right, right, that's right.

Speaker 4 10:57

Well remembered, well remembered so but she was the mother of the twins. Like she carried the twins. So maybe Zabrakians have some kind of just increased sensitivity to the force. It could be, and that's why the Nightsisters choose them as their mates because they're warriors and they're force sensitive.

Speaker 2 11:17

Because they didn't, and I think that's their magic. Yeah, it was force sensitive because they didn't appear to have the force or use the force until they got juiced up, right. I mean, yeah, they, some of that force juice, yeah, I mean savage, got those gains. Like I want to, I kind of want to like have that happen. Like I mean, think about it, he just, he just saved himself years at the gym, right, years at the gym. It's not wrong Counting macros. I could use that fitness plan.

Speaker 2 11:51

Right, that's what I'm saying I mean, you know, can I get some dark witches to you know? Juice me up with some green shit, are they dark? Witches.

Speaker 1 11:58

Are they just witches? If my horn gets a couple inches bigger as a result of it, I'm with.

Speaker 2 12:01

I'm okay with my horn getting a couple inches bigger, to be honest, I mean, I'd be all right with what. No, it's just fine yeah, it is anyway and if louis horn gets any bigger, he won't even be able to stand upright. Well, he'd be a tripod, all right I don't know nothing about that so.

Speaker 2 12:23

So we've got, so we've, so we've got Monster and we've got Witches in the Mist. Both take place 20 BBY. So we are getting closer to where we're supposed to be in the timeline, but we've got a lot of manipulation going on.

Speaker 3 12:34

Yeah, but I think, dooku, what the fuck You're just going to take Apprentice on after you just were told to kill your last one. Maybe chill for a few months, fool, and he doesn't care.

Speaker 4 12:47

You're not supposed to have an apprentice?

Speaker 2 12:49

Right.

Speaker 4 12:49

Palpatine made that explicitly clear Right. But he knew it was going to happen.

Speaker 2 12:55

Well, that's the rule of two. I mean, it's known that the apprentice will kill, but that's their focus.

Speaker 3 13:00

Every time kill the main master All the time. Like that. Every time kill the main master all the time, like that's all you. It's like there can only be one, like the same thing. I know this is only two, but sure you know what I mean. Yeah, so he's got to train. I mean he'd have to train someone else because he wants to overthrow palpatine which we know he is right.

Speaker 4 13:19

I mean, he did say that he was like you know, we will rule the galaxy together but this is kind of the I mean the first time that we kind of see dooku say something like that right I think he's tired, he's always been like very, very loyal. So if he's even thinking about that, maybe he just said that to give, you know, anger fuel, whatever, to turn savage. I don't think so.

Speaker 2 13:44

But if there is a chance that he does actually believe that, that's interesting because that's really the first time we hear him say something, it is but I do think that with duke, I think duke, I know we all know palpatine is using everyone, sure, but I think maybe duke, who in his arrogance is using palpatine to his arrogance, is using Palpatine to rid the galaxy of corruption. You know, and as we saw from tales of the Jedi, you know, dooku doesn't like the corruption in the Republic and he is willing to do some bad things to achieve a positive end. Yeah, for the greater good, exactly so, what he believes to be the greater good, right, you know. So he was ready to like, when they were on that planet with the impoverished people, he was gonna, he was gonna yoke that, uh, that senator, right there he was gonna sauce his ass right there and qui-gon had to kind of stop him and talk him down.

Speaker 2 14:38

But he's like he, you know he's corrupt, he's a piece of. He's got to die yeah you know and die.

Speaker 2 14:44

That's his view. I'm sure it's been clouded by the dark side as well at this point. It's just a weird. It's a really cool dynamic with the Sith. Because you don't know, obviously, you can never trust a Sith no, never. You never know who's playing who. Right now we're at this point. Where is mother talzin playing dooku? And savage she is, savage palpatine I mean, is she? Playing everyone. I mean it's like everyone's playing everyone. She's doing a.

Speaker 3 15:21

Palpatine? Yeah, I believe she is the equivalent of the Palpatine.

Speaker 1 15:27

I agree, although I think it's for a different end. Palpatine's whole thing is I want to have all the power in the universe. The Nightsisters know that. She knows she can't win a full-on war. She doesn't have the numbers, so her goal is not power maybe just safety, just security, keep, keep the, the sisters safe.

Speaker 2 15:51

Maybe, you know, keep the war somewhere else and keep the focus off of us.

Speaker 4 15:57

You know they, they, you know they seem to crave power, but not in the same way well, she says not like universal power, more like power within the force, power to defend right, like more like palpatine wants galactic power. Yeah right, he's not just looking at force power, he's right. He's arrogant. He doesn't need to train anymore, he doesn't? He already thinks he's the shit on the force level right now he wants to show his dick to the galaxy and be like right and the night sisters just want their planet and they want the four, like they want their power within the force, not galactic, right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 16:33

I think that's kind of the difference between them. I still think that they seek power, they want power, they are power, but I think it's contained to what they can get from the force, just the neighborhood and what they need. A lot of it is about need too.

Speaker 3 16:49

They're not trying to go outside, like you said, the galaxy to do it. There's no need for them to show it off, because they know they have it.

Speaker 2 16:56

Yeah.

Speaker 3 16:56

And that's usually a female's perspective, to be honest.

Speaker 4 17:00

Sure Right.

Speaker 2 17:01

That's why we already know we have it, we don't need to show it off yeah, no well, it's like and that's interesting that you say that too, because look at, look at the animal kingdom, you know it's always the male of the species who's got the beautiful plumage or does the big displays. You know it's, you know, or they, they get into the fight to see who can, who can mate with the the you know the finest females like all right right and usually it's like your shit dummy, hey look at like.

Speaker 2 17:29

So you've got the peacock and the peahen. You know, she's just kind of like sitting in the back, she doesn't have her makeup on, her hair is not done. And then you've got, you know, gerardo over here, just like hey, mira, check me out. Huh, hey, am I not beautiful for you? Yes, I don't know if that's how she doesn't like you yeah, and then she's just like never dude, you know, and you're gonna go with johnny peacock over there, so it's just like, well, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 17:54

Um, oh, what's? The bug that eat takes its heads praying mantis will fake dead when she sees one she doesn't want kind of like ladies do say honey hey, I'm sleeping.

Speaker 2 18:09

I have a headache.

Speaker 3 18:10

I have a headache tonight, I'm sleeping it's not even yeah, it's just play dead. Oh, here comes carl it's always carl.

Speaker 2 18:20

What a dork. No one wants to hook up with carl. Well, you've done that. You know, the middle of the night, like hey, baby, and you're just like. I know that's a fake-ass snore. I know, I can tell I think I'm really asleep.

Speaker 3 18:34

Maybe, but oh, here comes Carl.

Speaker 2 18:41

Fucking Carl. So it's, but when Javier comes by.

Speaker 4 18:44

Hey, do you?

Speaker 2 18:46

like my plumage. Yeah, it's very nice. Yes, yes, it is, yes, it is. So I really do feel bad, because I feel like, with Asajj, she's the only one who's just trying to legitimately do something. Yeah, you know, because she's the one that's been played. She is now playing Savage, but at the same time not really because you know, he knew what was going to happen and she told him straight up you're going to be my pawn, you're going to work for me. Yeah, so I don't.

Speaker 3 19:19

I mean, obviously he didn't know to what extent of the brother yeah that, I think, made it come through again Like, oh shit, what did I just do? Like he knows he had to do it.

Speaker 1 19:29

Right.

Speaker 3 19:30

But you didn't have to do that's and that was the mother. Oh, I have a prisoner for you. You didn't have to do that. There was no need. He would have served. I think he would have been a better warrior to them if she wouldn't have made him kill his brother.

Speaker 2 19:53

He needed that additional. He didn't need it, though he didn't need it From their perspective. Did he need it? No, but from their perspective, in order for him to be totally hardened and stronger in the dark side of the force, he needed that extra push because, as we've seen with Anakin, love can be an asset or a liability, but sometimes, if there's too much love, too much compassion, you're not thinking clearly.

Speaker 3 20:21

I think for this situation it was just the brother that he was compassionate for Not everyone.

Speaker 2 20:25

No, he loved his brother, brother, but he needed that final push? I don't think so, just I will just I disagree.

Speaker 3 20:32

Oh no, that's fine, because there is no. There was no reason for them to have him kill his brother no, I agree with you, powerful he already knew he was going to be a pawn and he, I think he would have worked with the force, the dark side, just fine, knowing his brother's alive like, because then he wouldn't have to worry about that, so he could have fully immersed himself into the dark side I don't but then he just, well, I mean, but you see, he betrayed both of them anyway, as and I think because of that- as long as there's, as long as there's any shred, and this is the dark side person.

Speaker 2 21:03

I'm not talking about logic, I'm not talking about, like, human emotion, but in terms of the dark side and we we've seen this with Anakin and later Vader is, if there's even an ounce or a shred or a glimmer of compassion or hope left, then you are not fully committed to the dark side. It's not going to happen. Because look at what happened when spoiler, look at what happened with Vader, palpatine, andke, in return of the jedi palpy, had him, had luke ready to go, ready to just fucking fry his ass, father, please. He had that, just that little glimmer of of compassion, love for his son. And then what happens? Papa palpy gets thrown down the elevator, shaft Done. And that's that glimmer of hope, that's that spark that all these darksiders are trying to squash and get rid of. And because we've seen what happens when they don't, when you don't completely crush and subjugate.

Speaker 3 22:05

Well, Savage is badass. And now on the loose.

Speaker 2 22:06

And now he's on the loose.

Speaker 4 22:08

So I do have one minor complaint, yes, about this arc. I wish it would have been one episode longer, because I felt like the Savage's training was too quick. It was like Savage is given to Count, five minutes later he's this powerful force being. Five minutes later he hates dooku. Five minutes later he's gone. So it's like all of those things happened in one episode him, him joining dooku and him leaving dooku all happened in the same episode.

Speaker 4 22:44

I would have liked to have seen a little more training and him have a little more I think it was supposed to be implied that there was some time, but I understand, I would have liked to have seen it, I guess I understand what you're saying yeah, maybe send him on one more side mission, because that the mission that he went on, where he killed the two jedi, and like I wanted to see maybe one more scene like that, you know like him, kind of like going off on a couple other missions or something just wrecking, maybe a little more powerful right, maybe even being a little more reckless, like because when, when he brought homeboy to dooku and he's like you piece of shit, you weren't supposed to kill him shit with the king

Speaker 2 23:24

you know I felt bad for the king he was just like when he was trying to fly away when Savage was dragging him out and his little head hit that bump. Animators, y'all didn't have to do that. That was a whole process. They had to animate the head hitting the bump. They had to add the sound effect because it was like clunk as it went by. You guys didn't have to be that extra about that. They put a lot of detail into that. You didn't have to be that extra.

Speaker 3 23:58

That was just inappropriate.

Speaker 2 23:59

You didn't have to do the king like that.

Speaker 3 24:01

He was super cool, he was. I felt kind of bad.

Speaker 1 24:07

He got fucked up.

Speaker 3 24:09

He got fucked up.

Speaker 2 24:09

He got fucked up, it was just like oh, you saw his face and that was it he really killed him, and that was it, yeah. So I think maybe we don't get to see more of his training either, because he did go out untrained, he's going out sloppy, he's going out unfinished, and I think that was the point.

Speaker 3 24:26

Yeah, it's like Frankenstein.

Speaker 2 24:31

Yeah, kind going out unfinished and I think that's that was the frankenstein, yeah, kind of. But then we find out that he is going to be fully trained by his brother, by his brother who is supposed to be dead, senor mall in half and you have a problem with that don't you?

Speaker 4 24:43

he's supposed to be dead I'm just saying like, like, how did okay I know the yeah yeah that one I do know.

Speaker 2 24:52

Sure, I don't know a lot, but I do know that you're like how can you, how can you possibly come on man the dark side?

Speaker 3 24:58

darth vader, didn't? He lost legs and right he was burned to death and right.

Speaker 2 25:04

But vader, he didn't get, he didn't lose his legs at his spine.

Speaker 3 25:07

But you can make a spine.

Speaker 2 25:10

And again the dark side. The dark side is a path to Things most people would consider to be unnatural.

Speaker 4 25:15

Anakin lost it like Just above the elbow on the arm.

Speaker 3 25:19

So they made a tendon.

Speaker 4 25:21

He got it below the knees. Or just above the knees. On the legs. That's believable In half at the waist.

Speaker 3 25:30

But it's actually I mean medically, you can survive.

Speaker 1 25:33

Oh, by the way, there's the fall too.

Speaker 3 25:35

It's not like he just got cut in half and landed on the ground.

Speaker 2 25:38

He got cut in half and then fell down a shaft and he also fell down an elevator shaft, which we know is not necessarily a death sentence, because Luke fell down an elevator shaft. Obi-wan right, papa palpy fell down a shaft. Yeah, so people get in the shaft is not necessarily a death sentence.

Speaker 3 25:58

They use the force to yeah, suck themselves into yep okay, well, they can stop themselves from falling, so yes, but you just got cut in half.

Speaker 4 26:06

Do you really have the strength to?

Speaker 3 26:08

of course, I think that would give you more strength, like, oh fuck the dark side is a pathway there's no pain, because it was like it was all cauterized.

Speaker 2 26:19

There's no, he's not gonna bleed out.

Speaker 4 26:20

No, true, but you just got cut in half, bro, but you just got even say it was shot, like like when he gets cut in half in the film but, it's shock he's like oh shit, did that just happen?

Speaker 2 26:34

you can see, like the, there's a mist, there's like a blood mist. He's like I just lost my wiener. I think that was the shock and that's the force he's like.

Speaker 1 26:44

And again, I just lost my wiener.

Speaker 2 26:47

The dark side is a path to abilities that some would consider to be unnatural.

Speaker 4 26:52

Similarly to how someone somewhere somehow was able to find Luke's lightsaber after he lost it down the shaft. What you're saying is there's a possibility that someone out there in the galaxy has Darth Maul's cock somewhere.

Speaker 2 27:10

I think it's entirely possible.

Speaker 3 27:11

In their mouth.

Speaker 4 27:14

As a trophy, I guess.

Speaker 3 27:16

How about his whole bottom half?

Speaker 2 27:18

You don't need it. The wiener is the symbol of power.

Speaker 4 27:22

It's true, and we also don't know if it's some bounty hunter's trophy.

Speaker 2 27:28

I need to add that. You need. I need to add that to my mandalorian kit now I bought you darth maul's wiener a tattoo of black and red we can paint it no, I feel like that one that you, that you bought for me, is very nice, but I feel like mauls would be bigger and uncircumcised. I just feel that, uh, I don't think that. Red, red and black't think that, and red, red and black, I think that he'd have that, it would be tatted up.

Speaker 3 27:52

Too Little tattoos, yeah.

Speaker 2 27:54

Well, not little, but I mean, you know enough to cover the surface of his massive shaft.

Speaker 4 28:00

I think you should take some time and Craft something.

Speaker 3 28:03

Draw what you think the tattoos would look like oh, he's already got it drawn. I have tons of pictures.

Speaker 4 28:10

Of Darth Maul's wiener. It's not Darth Maul's, but it's just wieners, just wieners.

Speaker 3 28:15

No, it wasn't just wieners, he drew graphic novels remember?

Speaker 2 28:19

Yeah, I used to draw comic books and some of them were a little bit erotic.

Speaker 3 28:23

But I do have it.

Speaker 2 28:24

Yeah, I used to draw erotic comics.

Speaker 3 28:26

It was very erotic, like lots of veins.

Speaker 2 28:30

Oh, very veiny, very veiny.

Speaker 4 28:32

Very detailed, did you have? To watch a lot of reference. Did you look at a lot of reference photos? I just looked at myself.

Speaker 2 28:37

I just looked at myself.

Speaker 4 28:39

I mean, I don't need to be on your phone as an example.

Speaker 3 28:40

No, you just.

Speaker 2 28:48

Let me just throw that up there on the table.

Speaker 1 28:50

Throw it on a table. It's a self-portrait. That's it, big dick in the locker room.

Speaker 2 28:56

Sometimes I would put a mirror on the floor.

Speaker 3 28:57

So I could see the underside and see the bottom. Okay, out of control, just sketch it up?

Speaker 2 29:00

Absolutely not. You were the one that brought up my cock drawings. I didn't.

Speaker 3 29:03

But you have them I sure do.

Speaker 2 29:05

I have drawings of people in various stages of dress and undress. There's pictures of ladies too. Yes, okay, I don't want people to just get the impression that I'm just drawing dicks all day. I'm just like a fucking cock artist.

Speaker 3 29:18

No, it wasn't a cock artist. Oh yeah, it's just not a sausage fest on the drawing board, it's a comic book with erotica in it. Yes, there were both men. There were ladies, yes men and ladies.

Speaker 2 29:29

I feel like there were more ladies than men there was more ladies. Yes, thank you, I'm gonna give. Could you tell them that, please, there's more ladies I swear yes, lots of titties, lots of ass, lots of lots of ass yeah, anyway okay, no, that You're just pressing all the buttons. I can't remember where the oh my God Okay there we go.

Speaker 4 29:51

All right, remember, yesterday you said that you were going to.

Speaker 2 29:53

I was going to label them.

Speaker 3 29:54

It's too late for that now, Actually it's labeled on the touch screen if you go to the.

Speaker 2 30:00

No, not, this is the older version. You've got the new hotness. Oh, oh mine actually say what it is. Yeah, I've got old and busted. You've got new hotness? Oh yeah, well, thank you, this doesn't. And mine's smaller and yours is smaller it is so anyway, what are we talking about? Savaggio presses and darth maul's penis.

Speaker 3 30:16

That's what we're talking about, so we're done with that we're done with that, let's go to the

Speaker 2 30:20

next episode, so yes, I feel that once we get to maul's story because you, you already know that he was already alive through various spoilers of other things, so you already know he's alive but when you, when we get to his ascension, when we find him for the first time, when we see him for the first time as savage is going off on this quest for to find his long lost brother, which is a great journey in itself I'm not going to. I'm not going to. Once we find him, in my opinion and it's sam witweir, who we already know is just fantastic. Sam witweir is a tremendous actor, both on screen and behind the mic in the voice booth, um, but he is also an incredibly knowledgeable star wars fan. He knows the lore, I mean, he is a fan. Incredibly knowledgeable Star Wars fan. He knows the lore, I mean, he is a fan.

Speaker 2 31:12

There was a video recently where he was being directed and they were like yeah, so when you pull out your lightsaber, and Sam was like so is it my original lightsaber? It's a double-edged lightsaber. And the director was like like, yeah, it's the first one. He was like well, it probably can't be the first one, because I lost that one. And it's like and he wouldn't have had that because this happened on this planet. And then he like, yeah, so sam is like, he is into it. He is very much a fan of star wars, so we got to get him on the show. Man he's he's just.

Speaker 4 31:47

He does more than just uh malls he does so many voices.

Speaker 2 31:51

He does so many voices, but he also is uh palpatine killer.

Speaker 4 31:56

Yes, uh, yeah, in the force, yeah he was.

Speaker 2 31:59

He was the voice and the face of star killer yeah yeah yeah he was the motion capture model and everything, yeah, and he was the voice. But no one plays unhinged the way that sam whitware does and when we catch up with darth maul he is, in fact, obviously unhinged. He lost his pp. But the only other person I've ever seen play unhinged, crazy like that, was probably mila jovovich. Um, as jonah vark in I think it's the movie the Messenger. I don't know why she didn't get the Academy Award for that. You don't really ever think about Mila Jovovich and Academy Award in the same sentence, but her performance in that movie watch it, please watch it. It's a great movie and her performance in it as someone who thinks they're being spoken to by God or being used as a conduit. You know through which God speaks and then not knowing what's, it's just I mean just tremendous, it's absolutely tremendous.

Speaker 3 32:59

Speaking of gods.

Speaker 2 33:00

Yes. Nice segue, nice segue. I like that. That was there we go. Okay, speaking of gods, um, moving on to overlords and the altar of mortis. Wow, a lot happened here, like a whole lot. Have we met the force? Yeah, the keepers of the force, anyway, well, but still, yeah, they're still the father real, yeah, the father, the mother um father, daughter, brother, yeah, no mother. Yeah, yeah, no more. That that was one of my questions like what do we think um?

Speaker 4 33:37

mother is the force, clearly I would.

Speaker 3 33:39

Yeah, do you think that you think mother, mother is the force and you've got father because she had the two through father and then ascended, yeah, and she became one with the force because she is the force.

Speaker 2 33:52

Okay, all right. So she gave birth to the light side and the dark side, and the father is there to discipline and keep them in line, keep them in balance.

Speaker 1 34:00

Okay.

Speaker 2 34:00

Yeah, all right, and they were in a holocron. It looked like one. Yeah, louis, you had said it looked like two sith holocrons on top of each other. Yeah, so apparently the entire planet is encased in this thing. The structure well to keep them contained contained, yeah like you said so what are we thinking about this episode? Because I really don't even know where to start unpacking this. I mean, just talk about some stuff that you thought was cool, because there was just a lot well, it just showed.

Speaker 3 34:31

I mean, because you can't talk about the whole episode. It's just too much. It's just too much um, but once they get there, I think showing that anakin is the chosen one, that he can control light and dark at the same time. So we know he's got it in him. He just has to choose, he. And he chose poorly, I think he made, and you know what.

Speaker 2 34:53

We'll get to that. We'll get to that too. He made the force. He made the light side and the dark side bend a knee to him. Yes, I mean, can we talk about that level of power for a second? I mean, we know he's powerful, but in no live action have we ever seen Anakin Skywalker or really anyone wield that level of power In the Force Unleashed video games we see Starkiller bring down a Star Destroyer, but even that is like okay, I mean it's visually, it's cool to see Kenobi, he literally freaking Vader, just literally goes.

Speaker 4 35:35

Nope, I mean come on, but that's Anakin, right, he just went, don't think so One-handed.

Speaker 2 35:46

We'll get to that Spoiler alert.

Speaker 3 35:48

But he chose to not be that one, so he actually broke no, but this is done.

Speaker 1 35:57

Yeah.

Speaker 3 35:58

This is done. He broke the force. I mean he broke the force.

Speaker 2 36:02

So what are the? I mean we heard what the father said, that you know the dark side will get stronger, you know war will continue. I mean. But I mean, are we, can we really fully comprehend you know the, the impact that this is gonna? I mean because it's not like it's, but we know the outcome.

Speaker 3 36:24

I mean, that's the thing. So watching all these is great. I mean, it's I. This is very interesting to me, right, but we know the outcome from this episode, right, he chose he. He chose the dark side. I mean, he's not fully dark at the moment, right, but he didn't choose it well he chose not to contain both.

Speaker 2 36:45

He chose he could, and I think that was the unit for the galaxy he chose love he chose love over the galaxy because obi-wan said this could have repercussions throughout the galaxy and anakin said I don't care the father right, but, and that's the, point and he said I don't care.

Speaker 2 37:00

Anakin said I don't care, I'm saving my friends. And that's a perfect example of why the jedi, they, have this broken view of attachment because they don't teach them right. That's why. That's why I say it's a broken view of attachment. It's like you could still have attachment and have balance. But if you have love in your heart for one person, look how easy it is to force someone to do your your bidding when he's like I have a wife right.

Speaker 3 37:31

Well, you shouldn't you shouldn't I mean, basically that's what he told him why you, you can't have that and he can't, he couldn't have it. We clearly know that he couldn't handle it but?

Speaker 2 37:42

but we're seeing how, how much that love and that compassion and that attachment can quickly become a liability, because now you have to choose. You have to choose between the people you love. You know because we've seen this in movies all the times. All the time the villain will say you know what you can come after me or you can save this person who you care about oh, it happens in every choose we've ever watched, I think everything, everything, every, does it all the time right, like my, one, of my favorite.

Speaker 2 38:08

Oh, it happens in every thing we've ever watched, I think Everything, everything, marvel does it all the? Time Right, like. One of my favorite representations of that is in the Batman and Robin. You know, the Clooney one that everybody hates, but you know, and this is why you always lose Batman, you know, chase the villain or save the bird or save the boy, yeah, you know. This is why you know, basically evil will always triumph, because good is dumb. But it's not true it's not true.

Speaker 4 38:34

It happens in every batman movie ever I think it does you know?

Speaker 2 38:38

spider-man, the green goblin did it, you know save this bus full of kids or girlfriend yeah, save the girlfriend.

Speaker 3 38:45

I was thinking that one yeah, so.

Speaker 2 38:47

And the hero? You can sometimes usually find ways to do both, and that's what makes a great hero, and in this we saw anakin. He was able to save both of the people that he loves, but again, at what cost to him. Had he not had those attachments, then the outcome might have been different and maybe he would not have become Darth Vader, the literal light side of the force just died.

Speaker 4 39:10

Yeah, no, she did die. It's in Ahsoka now there's always hope it has been transferred from. I mean, he literally like he was that bridge.

Speaker 2 39:20

Yeah, do you think that's what happened? Okay, I mean, you could see the glow.

Speaker 3 39:24

go from her, but that could have just been her life force, the energy. But I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 4 39:30

Yeah, I'm curious to see if they elaborate more on that which?

Speaker 3 39:33

I'm sure they will Like that would be him and her would be the balance Right. Okay, I got you, that's interesting because really, I mean, if we think about it, as we know what we know about Ahsoka.

Speaker 2 39:44

Ahsoka is the most balanced force user that we are aware of. You know, her lightsabers are white. I wonder if it it could have been maybe because of that, from this, and then there's so much more that's going to happen to ahsoka, because I never knew this happened right I had.

Speaker 4 39:59

No, I mean I had seen like, like we had talked about like there's some references to this in the ahsoka live action, but they don't. I did they don't, I didn't, yeah, but they're small little, they're easter eggs like yeah, okay so. But we're getting deeper in this and seeing that she literally got something from the light side you think that upped her midichlorian count it could.

Speaker 2 40:24

And who knows what this? Who knows what all of this means with midichlorians? Is this where the midichlorians like spew out from into the galaxy? I mean, we don't know yet. There's still another episode to go.

Speaker 3 40:35

This is like a god a devil and Jesus.

Speaker 2 40:39

There's another episode of this. I'm not trying to be funny, but yeah, there's more of this.

Speaker 3 40:43

It's like a Jesus Satan.

Speaker 2 40:44

Like the Trinity, like the Holy, yes, satan. Like the trinity, like the holy god. Yes, it's like the three or the oh, I didn't wear it today like my triquatra, yeah, but so it's. There's always there, always, there's always. Seems to be that too. There's like always in in most well, even in the galaxy.

Speaker 2 40:59

Yeah, dad is a god right, but there's always, there's always in most religious mythologies there's a good, a bad and a balance, right, there's always a yin and a yang. There's always, you know, the positive and the negative pull and this is no different. So it's just you know now that that positive pole has died and the father who's like, wanting to retire and get a fishing boat and go somewhere and die, now he can't, you know. So was this a? This was selfish for anakin to not take his place here. So by being and they talked about, they said that word a lot in these episodes selfish, selfish, selfish, and they were connecting it to the dark side. You know, you know, the daughter said I am selfless and he is always selfish and my brother is always selfish. So did this get Anakin one more step closer to the dark side? Because we hear Vader's theme as they're leaving the planet, and do we? So? We think that I do, like.

Speaker 3 42:04

Louie's conclusion, with Ahsoka taking in that energy. So now she's trying to balance out.

Speaker 4 42:12

I mean that's.

Speaker 3 42:13

And trying to balance him out.

Speaker 4 42:14

Balance Anakin out right, Because he's clearly leaning dark now. Oh yeah, and now that she's got that light, maybe that will help try and bring him back to the middle.

Speaker 3 42:24

We know it.

Speaker 4 42:26

In the end, it doesn't. In the end, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 42:28

Well, in the end it doesn't. In the end it doesn't. Well, in the end it does. I mean the very end the very end.

Speaker 2 42:33

We just have a long way to go.

Speaker 4 42:36

We got a long way to get there. I don't know Many people died. I wish we still got one more episode of this on.

Speaker 1 42:51

From the way, and granted, I mean there's hyperbole and you know storytelling purpose and all that, but the way that the father has described how bad losing the daughter is to the galaxy right tells me that something is going to happen within before this arc is over that's going to change it. I don't know whether or not the daughter's going to come back. I don't know whether or not maybe the son is going to get taken out as well. Um, but I don't think they're leaving this arc with it being this fucked up.

Speaker 4 43:23

You think we're going to see some kind of closure to this?

Speaker 1 43:26

some sort of resolution I mean not necessarily resolution, but the current status quo will not be the status quo when they walk out the door.

Speaker 3 43:34

So a little more explanation I got you.

Speaker 2 43:38

Yeah, is that worth thinking.

Speaker 3 43:40

Maybe. Okay, I mean it's up in the air, because I have never seen these so I have no idea.

Speaker 1 43:45

I will also point out because we skipped right over it, but you did point out when we were watching it live Obi-Wan's reaction to initially seeing the sister or the daughter.

Speaker 2 43:55

He's such a turd, he was behind Anakin, he was like, well, hello. And he like stroked his beard a little bit and he was like, well, hello. It's like Obi-Wan, calm down, calm down, my guy. It's like he knows he's not going to do anything with anyone, but he still wants to flirt. Well, yeah, like you know, he still wants to.

Speaker 4 44:15

I think it's just part of his personality. He must be a Libra. He's got those little quips all the time.

Speaker 2 44:21

He's like full of dad jokes all the time he's got the Riz.

Speaker 4 44:24

Yeah, yeah, he does have.

Speaker 2 44:24

The Riz Kenobi is like the Riz master, he's like the Jedi Riz master, but man, he is the James Bond of Star Wars. Just super cool.

Speaker 4 44:40

Ladies love him, Although James Bond definitely got his, oh well.

Speaker 2 44:47

Obi-Wan's not getting his, unfortunately, I still say he is getting his.

Speaker 1 44:50

You think so. There's no way he and Satine didn't hook up. You think that they?

Speaker 3 44:57

They did.

Speaker 2 44:58

They created the beast with two backs. You think they did that. I don't know. He is the ultimate intergalactic tease. That's what he is. He is the teaser, no doubt about it it well, he gets his way sometimes when you need things he does, he's a, that's why he's a great negotiator that's why he's a great negotiator, because he's a total flirt and he knows how to turn flirting and being nice gets you things.

Speaker 2 45:20

You don't have to do anything for it that's absolutely right so now, um, I just want to touch on crazy possessed dark side. Ahsoka Creepy, she's like.

Speaker 3 45:33

She looked like the Annabelle doll.

Speaker 4 45:35

Yeah, something straight out of a horror movie.

Speaker 2 45:39

Like you would have picked her up in Spirit Halloween. For sure, straight up, come play with me.

Speaker 3 45:45

I mean it's canon so you can cosplay that.

Speaker 2 45:48

Yeah, dark Ahsoka, but not even dark ahsoka, I mean, she was creepy ahsoka, like, and then you're gonna have dudes like I could fix her I do find it interesting that she got bit like a vampire to turn into it. Well, he, that guy a little bit weird dude, was giving off hardcore vampire vibes though the whole time.

Speaker 3 46:06

Oh, no, yeah I know that, but I just. And who is? Um? Because he reminded me and I may, I might be wrong, because I confused some of the faces. Okay, is it? Was it plow clone? Who's the who's the first evil dude?

Speaker 2 46:22

like plow clunes a jedi. What do?

Speaker 3 46:23

you mean the first evil dude? Then it's. We saw him in one of the movies. It's just his head and it was like white with the lines on his face.

Speaker 2 46:35

We saw just his head.

Speaker 3 46:36

He did look a lot. Who are all the bad guys? Start from the top.

Speaker 2 46:40

Seriously, that's kind of like you're kind of putting us on the spot there's a lot of bad guys Bane, plagueis, darth. Plagueis.

Speaker 4 46:46

No, not Plagueis. No, I think, because he looks like one of the inquisitors right, no, grand inquisitor.

Speaker 2 46:54

He looks like the grand inquisitor.

Speaker 3 46:55

Yeah, that's what you look up, grand inquisitor. No, I, I know, but that's, that's what you're thinking yeah, that's because he looks like.

Speaker 4 47:00

As soon as I saw him, I was like yeah, I didn't realize, that was a.

Speaker 2 47:04

It must be a race well, the guys from udapow remember, the dudes on udapow they look, they kind of look very like nosferatu type, but they're you remember? Yeah, sherry no no, that's not who you're thinking no, no, you're sure, okay, no, because they've got similar faces. Okay, I don't know. Whatever. What other first bad guy I don't know? It's not Darth Smiley. No, where did we see this bad guy before? Do you know? I don't remember Movie, comic, video game, tv show Dreams.

Speaker 3 47:45

It's not Darth Plagueis.

Speaker 2 47:46

No, darth Plagueis, he's a mun. I think that's his race or his species. He's a mun, so he's got.

Speaker 1 47:54

I mean Bane, maybe a little. I don't. Who is that guy Darth Bane?

Speaker 2 47:59

I don't think, sherry. I don't think you've ever seen Darth Bane before. No, that's not him. So Plagueis, yeah, plagueis is a mun. That's like the banking clan guys, they're muns. I'll keep looking, I don't know. Call up one of the udapow guys from noke. Just looked like he got hit by a bus, yeah, but he has a weird like bald he does face. I mean, I could see I'm still disappointed we never found out more about snow.

Speaker 4 48:24

I'm hoping we still will yeah, through the mandalorian medium, I think he was just a botched version of the.

Speaker 3 48:32

Emperor, I'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 48:34

He's a bad batch Emperor. That's it. Look up Utapau. Look up the guys from Utapau, because they have again. They've got this real weird Nosferatu. Look, They've got like, they almost look like they've got fangs. They've got the stripes on their faces.

Speaker 3 48:49

Well, Snoke. So, I know he looks creepy.

Speaker 2 48:56

He's got that guy's same head shape, though like like that would be him the closest thing that I'm thinking of with with uh the sun was just the uh the inquisitors, the grand inquisitor, because I think the grand inquisitor was from Utapau, I think he was, I can't remember. I'm going to have to watch the movies.

Speaker 3 49:16

We'll get there. There was somebody that.

Speaker 4 49:18

So it's in live action, is what you're thinking. Is it live action, okay?

Speaker 3 49:21

Yeah, and he looked like the head of. You know how in the Wizard of Oz he's got the big head and he talks.

Speaker 2 49:29

This is like the same, so you're saying someone from a hologram wasn't was it a dream, was it a fever dream that you had? Maybe it was a different movie, maybe it's a different movie, fuck, I don't. Well, we were talking about you. Had you did look up how the original, um, the original version of palpatine was a woman and they superimposed chimpanzee eyes over her. And that was a big giant head in a hologram.

Speaker 4 49:57

Could that have been?

Speaker 2 49:58

it.

Speaker 4 49:59

Zordon is also a big giant head.

Speaker 2 50:00

Zordon, you could have been Zordon from Power Rangers.

Speaker 3 50:03

It's fine. No, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 50:07

I'm telling you, look up the Utapau representatives. From what was that?

Speaker 3 50:12

Revenge of the Sith. Maybe that's it. When they went to Udapal, I don't know, the sun just looked really familiar to me.

Speaker 1 50:20

So I don't know Great, that's just terrible.

Speaker 2 50:26

He's in my bedroom right now.

Speaker 3 50:28

What the fuck is wrong with you. Okay, okay, okay, so move on, move on.

Speaker 2 50:33

It right now, what's my life? Okay, okay, okay. So move on, move on. It's fine, all right, so moving on, uh. So one last question before we wrap up. So the force is the force.

Speaker 3 50:38

Did we talk about all four episodes?

Speaker 2 50:40

yeah, because, remember, there's two, two episodes per thing, so we just kind of like combine them. Oh yeah, we talked about everything, like did it go? So we know that there's good and evil and you know the morally gray areas throughout the galaxy that don't have anything to do with the force. So there's going to be people doing good, people doing bad, with or without the influence of the force maybe. But the way this particular galaxy works, does the force, do you think, does the force influence the choices of just everyday people who aren't even force users? We do know that midichlorians are living in everything. We do know that midichlorians live in every single living creature and thing and some just manifest more and some have more.

Speaker 2 51:32

Yes, so with the loss of the light side with the daughter, do we think that's going to affect the goodness in people? No, I don't, or just the the light side. Will it make the?

Speaker 4 51:47

light side of the force making less jedis so let me, will the jedi be weaker now because the daughter is gone I don't think their power would be weaker because they've already.

Speaker 3 51:57

They already have it yeah I think there's gonna be less children because, like, how many jedi there are? I mean there's a lot it's, I mean they're everywhere, on every fucking planet in the galaxy so I think by her dying now is going to help with. Yeah, you know the order later, if I tony louis.

Speaker 2 52:17

What do you guys think? I agree, I agree.

Speaker 4 52:19

Yeah, I mean, I think there has to be some kind of implications overall with this right. Like him, I guess that's going to be. The determining factor going forward is how connected are these three, you know, the father, son and daughter with the actual force? Like is it? How contained is it to where they are in the planet versus the overall force as a whole?

Speaker 2 52:52

Like how much do they influence?

Speaker 4 52:53

Right, right, right, like how connected. Obviously, within this planet they're very strong, but once they leave the planet, then, what happens? I think we're about to find out. Assuming the sun leaves?

Speaker 3 53:03

Yeah, because he said that. He said if he gets off the planet before you do, basically we're fucked.

Speaker 4 53:08

Yeah, the galaxy is fucked.

Speaker 3 53:11

So it'll be interesting to see how that happens. Basically, the galaxy is fucked.

Speaker 4 53:13

Maybe he's like a Q type, I think Ahsoka will be important in this next episode, because I think that now that she has the daughter in her, Possibly. She definitely has the daughter in her. I get what you're saying. It's in her.

Speaker 3 53:30

We get it. We get it calm down, that's true.

Speaker 1 53:39

Let's not go there, but I think that she will have an impact going forward and and we.

Speaker 3 53:45

Yeah, she does have an impact on the force but. I do see, I mean, as we watch even all the movies and all this stuff, just seeing this, there is less jedis being yeah there's fewer jedi there's, you know. People's connection to the light side of the force may be diminished, you know and as they kill off, jedi it there if there's not as many being created.

Speaker 2 54:13

Is this the actual wellspring of the Force? I?

Speaker 3 54:16

think so, is this where?

Speaker 2 54:17

the Force comes from Well, 2,000 years, a transmission from 2,000 years ago, yeah.

Speaker 3 54:24

But it's just sitting out. It was invisible, they could not see it, so maybe it is a conduit to the Force. I mean Obi wanted to mention that he said it's a magnet.

Speaker 1 54:31

It is a conduit.

Speaker 2 54:32

I mean he wanted to mention that. He said it's a magnet, it's a conduit.

Speaker 3 54:35

What did she say?

Speaker 2 54:36

She said it's a magnet, but it's also an amplifier, but the father was the one that sent out that signal.

Speaker 3 54:43

No, no, no, I know, because he thought Anakin was ready.

Speaker 4 54:47

He was ready to go. He was like you know what? It's time for me to. That's true. He wanted to make sure, yeah, dad was ready to go. He was ready for the fishing boat.

Speaker 3 54:58

He was dying and he's like I'm tired. I'd be tired to control those two motherfuckers.

Speaker 4 55:03

Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 55:05

It's been at least 2,000 years right.

Speaker 4 55:06

Or more.

Speaker 3 55:08

But that was just the the signal right right, right. Who knows how long that poor thing has been alive. He's probably like I'm sick of these motherfuckers. But to them.

Speaker 2 55:16

Yeah, I mean, who knows what, how they perceive time yeah, it might be so all right. So let me ask you this had had anakin stayed, had he done his duty would have been star wars done and say yeah we would have just gotten the roll credits, you know, created by george lucas, directed by written.

Speaker 3 55:33

Directed that would have been a short story.

Speaker 2 55:34

That has been a short story.

Speaker 4 55:35

That's no more star wars ever for anyone but I don't think so, because I think that just for the sake of argument had he stayed?

Speaker 2 55:42

what? What would that have done to the universe?

Speaker 4 55:44

oh you think go ahead, I mean palpatine's story would have continued, because he's still, because he unless he knew something about the this already, and maybe we'll find out.

Speaker 2 56:00

But do we think palpatine is aware of this? I don't think so. I don't. I don't think so either.

Speaker 3 56:02

Yeah not even. I don't even think yoda is aware probably so.

Speaker 1 56:06

My question, the question would become, are are is the father so in tune with the force that he's aware of what Palpatine is doing? And if so, and Anakin takes his place, does Anakin then become aware of what Palpatine is doing? And even though, if he has to stay, does he then turn around and tell Obi-Wan and Ahsoka hey, yeah, you need to not trust that guy anymore. He's fucked.

Speaker 2 56:36

I think there's such. I think for the three of them, for the Force family here, I think anyone is such a small blip on their radar that they're just inconsequential, because I mean, for 2,000 years people have been using the light side, using the dark side. We know about the thought bombs and Darth Bane and Plagueis and all that.

Speaker 3 56:56

And so these creatures are just there to hold.

Speaker 2 56:59

They were To hold the balance Just to hold the balance Right.

Speaker 1 57:02

That's fair. But Anakin caring about all of that like would he be able to use their ability to find that out, Even if they don't know it themselves? Sure, I got you.

Speaker 2 57:18

Like, how much now do they become like omnipotent? Like, do they know? Like, once you're in there, do you know everything that's going on? I don't think they're godlike. I mean in power they're godlike, but in terms of their like perceptions, I think they're the keeper of the holocrons. Well, yeah, of their like perceptions. I think they're the keeper of the holocrons. Well, yeah, I mean, basically they're like I don't know what else to say. They're the keeper of the. They're the keepers of the force.

Speaker 3 57:36

That's what I'm saying. They're just the keepers.

Speaker 4 57:38

They keep the balance of the force at least try to, but that I feel like, if you, I feel like that puts them on a godly plane to say that you are a keeper of the force and the force is the, it's everything right sure basically, I think of godly, but not as a worshiping deity.

Speaker 2 57:59

I guess that's what, for me, like, you're not going to worship these, and maybe that's why they stayed away yeah so no one's worshiping you, but but you're still godlike yes, of course, but he remember the father said I'm, I'm keeping them out of the corporeal galaxy to keep it safe. To keep it safe.

Speaker 2 58:18

So as they're probably run it ran amok, sure, potentially yeah, but like they're the keepers but they don't influence it, so I mean they the well, they didn't they just maybe, like by keepers, they just allow, allow it to to trickle out into the galaxy, like that way, like you know, there's not too much light side flowing out, there's not too much dark side flowing out, like, if we look at it in terms of like, if it's a fluid, you know, it's like so we don't have too much light fluid, we don't have too much dark fluid. They keep that. That's what they keep the balance for. So we don't have too much light fluid, we don't have too much dark fluid. They keep that. That's what they keep the balance for. But they don't have like an impact necessarily on who does what. No, I don't think it's an individual.

Speaker 2 59:00

I don't think they're aware? No, but they might feel little ripples or pulses, but they felt the chosen one. The father did anyway and that's why he called for anakin to to get him there. But then, once anakin gets in there, would I feel like anakin? Anakin's not, he doesn't have the emotional maturity to handle that job?

Speaker 2 59:23

he probably wasn't ready at all, because the sun would would try to fucking take him out and Anakin would destroy the sun, which would lead to the loss of the dark side in the universe which, you know, at first blush sounds like a good thing, but you can't have light without the dark. You can't have dark without the light. It's not you, just can't do it.

Speaker 3 59:46

Well, you can have it now, because she's dead.

Speaker 2 59:50

Right, but what's it going to do to the galaxy? And that's what we're saying.

Speaker 3 59:52

Right, and, like you said, since it's within Ahsoka, maybe that'll keep at least a little bit at bay, but it will lessen how many Jedi are born.

Speaker 2 1:00:02

Unless by killing the son, then that really pushes Anakin even more to the dark side and he becomes the dark side like he becomes the son, essentially, but without any father to keep him in check. He becomes fully immersed like he. He is the dark side at this point he would easily, yeah, he would.

Speaker 2 1:00:25

No, no, I'm talking about like, let's say hypothetically, he, he becomes the father, he takes over for the father. Right, the son is going to come after him. There's no doubt about it. The son wants the throne. The son's going to come for anakin. Anakin's going to wipe that dude out, but in doing so he that would also have him cross that line more into the dark side. He might get all of that power because I mean this dude is the dark side. He might get all of that power because I mean this dude is the dark side of the force. So now Anakin becomes the dark side of the force, more so than he is as Vader, I think if he would have stayed, it wouldn't have turned into that.

Speaker 2 1:01:01

You don't think so? No? And then Vader kills the daughter, but he wouldn't have the maturity enough to actually do it, and he doesn't. He doesn't. I really think that he would have killed the son no, I don't think so you don't think so. No, if that dude came for him, you don't think he'd kill him?

Speaker 3 1:01:14

I think if he was supposed to stay there, he would have done it if he had the maturity to do it.

Speaker 2 1:01:19

Anakin doesn't really have restraint, not now right.

Speaker 3 1:01:24

We know that because this all happened that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 1:01:27

That's what I'm saying, like if he had, he stayed had he?

Speaker 3 1:01:29

do you think he has with the correct maturity level?

Speaker 2 1:01:33

but he does. That's what I'm saying. He would have stayed like right then and there the father wanted him there right now, I think, if he would have made that choice, it would have been magically reprogrammed his brain.

Speaker 3 1:01:41

It's not magic if he would have let go of his guilt, because that's what the father said you need to let go of the guilt, yeah, but he can't do it. He can't do it, but that's why it didn't happen all right, that's fair, I think.

Speaker 4 1:01:55

I think my big takeaway from this arc is that this is the first time watching the show so far in the three and a half seasons where I genuinely want to go back and re-watch that arc because there's so much in there and it's so important, I feel, to this overarching story that we're deep diving into. I think this is going to be important going forward.

Speaker 2 1:02:18

I agree, I agree, and we're going to see this more.

Speaker 4 1:02:20

This is probably the most impactful thing, I think, that's happened so far.

Speaker 2 1:02:22

I agree, because that means dealing with the very nature of the Force which, as we know, is the main focus of the majority of Star Wars. Yeah, and even the main focus of the majority of Star Wars. Even like the father had said, it's like we're not Jedi, we're not Sith the son laughed at the Sith idea. We're things you can't even comprehend the Jedi and the Sith that's just like. That's how your brain is trying to make sense of things. It's just like the construct.

Speaker 3 1:02:49

You guys just fucking around with it. Yeah, your children playing with toys In the outside. Yeah, you're like oh, I have this ability.

Speaker 4 1:02:55

He was like so you're Sith. He's like yes and no.

Speaker 2 1:02:58

And no, yeah, and then the son was like the Sith, like whatever. All right, so let us know what you think, please, because we what you think, please, uh, because we don't know what to think at this point. There's lots of uh, lots of uh speculation and, obviously, for those of you that have watched all of this and you're already aware, you know, you already know. But for those that are new to this, let us know what you think, uh, let us know where you're at on this. So that's going to do it. Does anybody have anything else before we head out?

Speaker 2 1:03:29

no no, no, no I don't have anything all right, our brains are kind of mushy right now, man there's a lot, a lot to go over so homework, watch episode 17, 18 and 19, catch up on our past episodes and, of course, always be sure to tell your friends and your enemies to give us a listen. And uh, before we go, we've got our obligatory pimping. So please do check us out on all social media at the SWS show and be sure to subscribe to the podcast and to our YouTube channel, depending on if you'd like to listen or watch. If you'd like some merch, head on over to our website, circle of nerdscom, slash merch, and you can get you some of the sweet merch, like this Very cool Obi fans. So if you're a fan of Obi-Wan and who isn't then you can do that. Look, we've got the. We've got the Star Wars safe space merch right there, and then Daddy Lou is rocking that cap and, of course, the Obi fans.

Speaker 3 1:04:26

Oh my.

Speaker 2 1:04:26

God, that's a different show. That's a different show. That's going to be on our OnlyFans, oh. So make sure you check that out. So, as always, we want to thank you for joining us this week. Of course, you know you could have been anywhere else doing anything else, but you took the time to listen to us or watch us. We do appreciate that. And, of course, we want to always say thank you to all of our service members and veterans out there for doing what you do and making those sacrifices, and sometimes making those ultimate sacrifices.

Speaker 1 1:04:52

This episode, if my timeline is correct, should release on Pearl Harbor Day.

Speaker 2 1:04:57

Oh, alright, well, that's good to know. Pearl Harbor Day If you are in the area, go and check it out. What is it? The USS, arizona, I believe that's where the memorial is. Yes, yes, and take tissues. Yeah, I've only seen photos and videos and I get choked up. You're getting choked up right now thinking about it. I've heard from people that have been that like the moment you even set foot out there. It's just heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking, but yeah, but.

Speaker 3 1:05:32

I thank them for their sacrifice, absolutely thank them.

Speaker 2 1:05:34

Thank them for their service and for the veterans who are still with us. I don't know if there's any pearl harbor veterans left, I don't know. I know we do. Still have some world war ii veterans out there still just kicking ass, yeah, uh. So thank you. Thank you, boys and girls, for that. I appreciate you. So, all right, and that we are going to wrap it up, don't forget episode 17, 18 and 19 for next week. Uh, watch that. That is your homework. And, of course, as always, remember, if no one does anything nice for you, do something nice to yourself, and we'll see y'all next week. Bye, outro Music.