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Clone Wars Season 3, Ep17-19: Flirting with Tarkin
What if a pair of slippers could change the way you see one of the most menacing figures in Star Wars? Join us as we reimagine Grand Moff Tarkin's wardrobe while unpacking the emotional depths of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, specifically episodes 17 through 19 of season 3. With the Circle of Nerds by our side, we explore the themes of death, loss, and conflict, adding a mix of humor and introspection to our discussion.
We ponder the cautionary wisdom from the Father, offering a poignant reminder of Anakin's internal struggles and the timeless advice to "beware your heart."
We also continue to trace Ahsoka timeline, as we gear up for the final episodes of Season 3, all while keeping the conversation light-hearted with playful debates about the potential appearance of Jar Jar Binks or more droids. Join us for a fun, insightful look at a galaxy far, far away.
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Coming up this week death, loss and conflict. It's another fun family adventure on the Clone Wars, season 3, episode 17 through 19. This week on your Star Wars safe space. It's so depressing, but stick around, it'll be fun, of course, right, yay, yay. We're all so sad.
Speaker 1:Oh man, these were depressing episodes they were hard, they were rough, they were good though they were good, they were excellent, but this was a rough watch, wow, all right. So, uh, howdy star warriors, welcome to star wars. Safe space, your non-toxic, low sodium Star Wars show. That doesn't make you feel bad for knowing that in Star Wars, a new hope, the evil and grumpy Grand Moff Tarkin wore slippers on the Death Star so his feet could be more comfy, because the boots that that the actor Peter Cushing wore were far too tight and uncomfortable for his size 12 dogs, that's right Damn.
Speaker 1:So he wore slip little slippers, which little slips I'd like to think that they were fuzzy bunny slippers that would be.
Speaker 3:That'd be hilarious, right? I envision, like the um, like the mickey mouse feet, you know yeah big yellow. Yeah, she'd have this dark gray, german gray colored suit in this dreary death star bridge and and tarkin is just ass yellow and tarkis is just sour, tarkin is sour and then these bright yellow mickey mouse feet love it.
Speaker 1:So, uh, yeah. So, whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little swarzy, curious, this is your star wars safe space. We are the circle of nerds and we do absolutely love star wars, even if we don't always like it. So shall we meet the crew this fine, fine day? To my left, your right star of stage and screen, it is the sensational sherry. I learned where the buttons are finally.
Speaker 4:Yay.
Speaker 1:After six episodes. After all this and hailing from parts unknown, it is T to the Ooni Welcome back to the galaxy everybody. And we're hanging out here in the Outer Rim, territory of Vostoween, with the fabulous Daddy Louie Hello children. Territory of bostween with the fabulous daddy louis hello children yay and I am tommy d.
Speaker 1:You're a more than slightly obnoxious star. Wars know it all, and we are here to watch all of the canon tv shows and films in mostly chronological order. These last several episodes have actually been in chronological order, yes, so thank you. Thanks, dave. Dave got our letters that we were sending him to Don't say that too soon.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, I know, I know we still got a lot of Star Wars to go. We got a lot of Clone Wars left ahead of us. So that is our goal to watch all of this breaking them down, connecting the dots and maybe learning a little bit more about Star Wars and ourselves. And Louie has already been able to connect some dots because you've seen some other shows. You watched Ahsoka and so now you're seeing some things.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like things are coming to light especially with Mortis, all of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we'll, we'll segue into that now. Uh, so yeah, we're gonna be. So word of whirling, whirling, word of whirling. There will be spoilers, so please be aware of that. So if you haven't watched these episodes, maybe go watch them now and then come back and then watch this or not, or just hang out, or hang out. So, but before we do all of that, it's time for the news skirt yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, um.
Speaker 3:So by the time this episode comes out, um, you'll have already seen this, um, but fun fact, I guess going forward, uh, so skeleton crew, yeah, which again has already come out, yes, um, but what people might not know.
Speaker 1:And we're loving it, by the way. Yes, we've it's so really, it's so good.
Speaker 3:We absolutely love it um, so they're bringing in right here, this, that's our camera right. They're bringing this creature into canon. So this creature is a Legends creature coming into canon, first appearing in the Ewoks movie.
Speaker 2:And what's the name of this creature, the name of this creature is a teak T-E-K.
Speaker 1:A teak.
Speaker 2:A teat A teak Teak, not a.
Speaker 1:Tit A teak, not a teat a teak, teak, teak, not a tit hey, okay, hey not a teat?
Speaker 3:okay, no a teak, not a teat, got it. Um, so this creature first appeared in uh ewoks battle for endor and uh, now it has been re-canonized in the skeleton crew nice and uh, it was actually inadvertently, or maybe advertently, uh teased at uh this year's d3 d23, which is the big the big disney convention and there was a stuffed one of these for sale. Oh, people were like oh you know?
Speaker 3:um, and another fun fact he is only there, or the this creature is only a hand puppet, so nothing beyond, and it will be a puppet in the in the show or is in the show.
Speaker 1:Yes, so good we've already experienced a teat, and it's been. They've been so cool Right.
Speaker 3:And super cute. And super cute. You probably don't know. Yeah, it's a. It is a once canon, now re-canonized creature. That is a simple hand puppet. Cool, I love it.
Speaker 1:I love it. I love when they do stuff like that. I like when they take stuff from older sources and Bring it back, canonized them. Yes, it's awesome. Um, so let's get through this, uh, emotionally painful block of episodes. So we're wrapping up with the ghost of mortis. Um, and it was, uh, it was a heart wrencher. This one was a heart wrencher. This one was a heart wrencher. Oh, quickly, though. So the Sith Lords Darth Revan and Darth Bane were supposed to be in this episode as counsel and guides to the sun. Um, but they ended up getting cut.
Speaker 2:I wonder why.
Speaker 1:Um, say they were cut in late production, so that didn't. It didn't really say exactly why. I'm sure maybe had something to do with character models or time or budget or just the story itself, okay, um, so I don't think we talked about we've talked about darth bane. I don't know if you're familiar with darth revan.
Speaker 2:This is like, but it's way past, like we're not past the the Darth Bane thing, because Mark Hamill voiced him.
Speaker 1:Right, so we will be seeing Darth Bane again.
Speaker 2:So not.
Speaker 1:Not yet, not until season six Bit of a spoiler, so yeah, so this was the final episode of this particular arc. The Ghost of Mortis and Annie went through some shit in this story art. So so, tony sherry, please share some of your thoughts on this, because we we saw anakin go through some things.
Speaker 4:tony, kick us off so I mean first off, I mean in this episode. I did find a unique contradiction In the previous episode of the same arc. Anakin's all about I need to go after the son. You know, screw the father, we'll deal with that.
Speaker 4:And Obi-Wan's like no, you know, we should go talk to the father, we need help. And in this episode it's the exact opposite. In this episode, anakin's like, no, I need to go see the father right now. And oh, I was like screw that, let's just get the hell out of here. Um. But then I mean, oh, there's just so much. Um, I mean, the thing for me is, you know, we, we get to see this vision of Anakin's future, and obviously we all know what that entails. Sure, but first off, just see it play out like this and see how seeing that affects him is huge. But then, later, you're talking to the father and father's like you know, this isn't set in stone, but it's the is it like you're giving him?
Speaker 4:this, this, granted, he doesn't remember it now right, but like you've given him all this guy to keep him on quote-unquote the correct path, but yet that seems like that path is ultimately the path that we know he's going to take, and that's just because look how quickly he joined the sun.
Speaker 1:To prevent further violence, which is exactly what we see him do to try to save Padme, yeah, so he saw himself choosing wrong through this vision and the destruction that choosing wrong would cause.
Speaker 3:And he still chose to choose wrong to to try and fix the wrong right. You know, he sided with the son rather than taking a step, because, think about it, if he had taken a step back, he, maybe he could have combated that vision a little bit. And the father? Maybe the father would have been like well, maybe you need to keep this memory so that you're reminded of what you will do, and it prevents you from doing that. But instead he just immediately went over to the dark side like that was the solution, right, like he didn't even think about it. He, that was the solution and he just did it like that in order to prevent me from becoming that guy.
Speaker 1:I have to become that guy, but he doesn't think of it on that level.
Speaker 3:He's like I mean, he makes such snap decisions, he didn't give it twice a thought and he put himself in the predicament that he didn't want to be because he can only think in absolutes.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, sherry well, I think this just shows that the force is fluid and it's ever changing. It needs to be fluid, for sure. So, well, no like. And you know, when you first started it's like, oh my god, he's the balance of all the whole galaxy because of this episode. Uh, you know the previous episodes, but then, when you get to this episode, I mean, the father, straight up, was like well, no, I mean, you're gonna do it multiple times. Yeah, holy shit. So is it like a time thing or whatever, I don't know. But so I I found it like, obviously he's gonna turn dorf vader, we, we all know this this is not this is not a secret, but I think this helped mostly Ahsoka.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because that's already set in stone for him. But for her, I'm thinking some things are going to start changing in her mind to get where she needs to go later on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as we see, and yeah, that's a really good point you said that the father said you know you're gonna, you know, balance the force multiple times. Right, you know. So you're balancing the force today and you're gonna have the opportunity to balance the force again.
Speaker 2:You know, as we and he does, you know but, and then they were gone for only a few seconds for everybody else. So was this real or was it a force vision for all of them?
Speaker 1:so while we were, while we were kind of in between episodes, you and tony were talking about an episode of star trek where there was a planet that essentially so you know people wouldn't forget them. They sent a vision to someone and basically they lived their entire life with these people in a matter of minutes.
Speaker 2:In their last years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the last years on this planet, so that no one would ever forget. No, and it was what was it like?
Speaker 2:It was like freaking like 25 years, it was a lifetime, yeah, it was, or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because Picard met this woman, had a relationship, had two children, yeah they had children. He grew old and he died, you know, and In a matter of I don't know 60 seconds, something like that. It was very quick, very quick, and they I remember they ended up putting a beacon around the planet to warn other travelers.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, yeah, they put, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, they put.
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't a planet, it was a. It was a. There was like an obelisk type of thing.
Speaker 2:It was an obelisk, but no, the obelisk is dead. That's it. That was a different story. I know what you're talking about. Oh okay, no, no, no, no, this one was the obelisk. Yeah, this was, and it stopped functioning after Picard got the story.
Speaker 1:Got the message. Got the message, okay.
Speaker 2:The flute was in the obelisk that he learned to play in. Yeah, so this could have been kind of, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1:that he learned to play the flute, as this person in this vision. Well, it shows you your brain. And then he.
Speaker 2:It's like the Matrix.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter he downloaded.
Speaker 2:He's like matrix, it doesn't matter downloaded like you know he's like I know kung fu. Yeah, I know how I can play the flute. Show me yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So was this? Yeah, was this all like physical manifestation that was just kind of like taken out of time and out of space as we know it? Or or was it a vision, a very realistic vision or simulation that was given to the three of them by the force, like a shared, almost like a shared delusion between the three of them, or shared illusion between the three? Of them Illusion yeah, so was it physical or was it all just in their minds? What do you guys think?
Speaker 2:I think it was in their minds. What do you guys think I?
Speaker 4:think it was in their minds there. That's the button.
Speaker 2:No, I personally think it was like a In their minds, a mind Because they were just like they were literally right there Blamble back on their ship.
Speaker 1:Yes, and there was no one there that could have put them back on their ship.
Speaker 2:It was either that or in a different sorry, in a different dimension.
Speaker 1:It's like a different, a different reality, but the force works in mysterious ways. So what do you guys think?
Speaker 3:Physical, mental, maybe a little bit of both. Okay, like well, I mean, I guess, if it's physical then, but it could have been very.
Speaker 1:I mean, like again, if we go back to the matrix, you know, they say, you know the body cannot live without the mind. So if you die in the matrix you die in real life.
Speaker 3:So right, yeah I mean, I think that it again. I've seen future things so I have a pretty good idea that it. Maybe it was real, um, but I could also see how you could think that maybe it wasn't. I mean, it is a little strange that they just like there was the white light and then all of a sudden they were back on their ship, like they were coming out of a coma or a vision or something like that.
Speaker 2:It's like they passed out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they were right there in front of that Jedi cruiser, like they never moved Right. And Rex said oh, we lost you for a moment.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but what happened in that moment?
Speaker 1:You know, for Rex and them, nothing but for our heroes.
Speaker 3:obviously, it was clearly something, because they were awake one minute and now all of a sudden they were waking up.
Speaker 1:So Right, and they were gone, like in in this reality. They were a few days, yeah, you know, at least, if not longer. I mean, who knows? So I don't know, but I do think it's interesting because we, we still really have no clearer understanding of the force or how it works. After all of this, you know, it's just, it just creates more questions for me anyway, because I, you know, there were supposedly physical representations of the light side and the dark side, but neither one of them were purely light or purely dark, because even the sun they said the sun there was still. He gave in to the dark side, so he wasn't the dark side.
Speaker 2:Well, he was controlling.
Speaker 1:Maybe he controlled the flow of the dark side or maybe there were like plugs, maybe they were the stoppers in the force. So without him, the dark side can flow freely. Well, again without her, the, the, the light side can flow freely and upset the balance.
Speaker 2:But, like the father said, you're going to go and do you're going to balance again. So he balanced them. So this was a destined.
Speaker 1:So he fulfilled the prophecy as the chosen one for this particular moment in time, and he's going to do it again, and he's going to do it again for the universe, for the galaxy, for the galaxy Right. So, and what is that balance? Is that him ultimately destroying palpatine? Is that him bringing life? You know, through the children, you know? Is, you know, bringing the, the skywalker kids, or is, or or the?
Speaker 2:balance that was unforeseen, because that wasn't in his vision no, the twins were not. The twins were not in his vision. She was for the chokeout yeah, padme was there. That's what I'm saying right, she wasn't pregnant right there, so the kids were, she wasn't pregnant.
Speaker 1:I don't think she was not.
Speaker 3:She didn't show her with a baby bump did
Speaker 1:it no, I don't I don't notice I did okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, because I was like wait a minute.
Speaker 1:No, she wasn't seen with a baby, so, for whatever reason, the twins are hidden from the force, correct? So maybe they weren't supposed to exist?
Speaker 2:no, I don't think they were. It was an unforeseen. Yeah, like yoda says, it's clouded yeah, and you?
Speaker 1:can't even it.
Speaker 2:And the father said that as well he did.
Speaker 1:He said your future is clouded. And the biggest thing that really hit me for this episode was what the father said, and it's what we've been saying this whole time too. But he told Anakin with his last breath beware your heart.
Speaker 4:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:I mean that's. I mean that's. It says it all I mean, because he is Anakin. Skywalker is ruled by his heart. He's ruled by fear of loss.
Speaker 4:You know, we learn.
Speaker 1:I mean cause, like you said, louis. I mean he was so quick to to make that choice to sacrifice himself and his goodness so quick. Sacrifice himself and his goodness so quick, like he didn't even think about it, because he's so afraid to lose. And he does it again and he does it again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he does it again, but he forgot as well, if he would have maybe remember let him remember, yeah maybe he wouldn't have done that again, right?
Speaker 3:and he not given in so easily. To show that, like he clearly showed the father in that. To show that, like he clearly showed the father in that, in that act of being not hesitant to join his son, that, yeah, you don't need these, these thoughts, like you don't need to know, that you know and cleared his mind but maybe he would have taken a step back. Yeah, Resisted, showed the father. You know, hey, I, I want to not be that evil person.
Speaker 1:Maybe it'd have been like yeah, keep your memories. It's like he was so incredibly selfless, like that's the thing. Anakin is incredibly selfless, he didn't think twice about it at the same time he is, yeah, because he's he's protecting his heart, because he's he's so afraid to lose the people that he loves part of life.
Speaker 2:Loss is a part of life and he doesn't have that balance in him. Correct, he doesn't.
Speaker 1:He's never embraced the living force or the concept of the living force.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:He's never been able to do that Not until the end. And had Qui-Gon been around, obviously we wouldn't even be having this discussion, because Qui-Gon would have fought. I did like that to lie. I mean seeing the two of them interact, yeah hell for all.
Speaker 2:We know qui-gon set this up maybe in the living force, because he is part of the living force. So we know that.
Speaker 1:So it's true maybe it's something he set up but I do find it interesting that qui-gon is able to do this. And we do learn that from Revenge of the Sith, you know, when we, when Yoda tells Obi-Wan, you know there's more. I have to teach you about the Force. That I learned from an old friend you know. So that's, and that was another thing. Like we don't see anyone else like go Force ghosty, that you know. Like, like even Qui-Gon. Qui-gon's body didn't disappear into the force, but Yoda's does, obi-wan's does, you know, and the father's does. So did Qui-Gon learn that ability in death from the father? And then he taught Yoda, and well, he taught Yoda. Yoda taught Obi-Wan how to ascend into the force Instead of just dying. Yeah, because have we seen that sense? Have we seen any other Jedi become one with the force in that way? No, in live action. No, just those two, right? I think so. Well, three with the five, you got the father.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So A, two, right, I think, so well, three, with the five, you count the father, well, yeah, okay, yeah. So a lot to think about, a lot to think about, and that's what I, that's what I like about this, because now we're seeing, you know, we, we know that anakin becomes darth vader and we know that there's, you know, that's like one of the biggest spoiler alert, oh yeah, spoiler alert, um, but so what we know of that, you know, and then there's the redemption piece that goes along with it as well. But I think it's very very interesting.
Speaker 3:He didn't see that either. No, the redemption wasn't shown. He didn't see his redemption either.
Speaker 1:So what if he would have seen the redemption? You know?
Speaker 2:would he have?
Speaker 1:made different choices.
Speaker 2:Who knows?
Speaker 1:But, yeah.
Speaker 4:So my thought on that particular thing is the fact that he didn't see the children, nor did he see the redemption arc. So my thought on that is um and they? They bring it up in one of the marvel films I think it was dr strange where you can't see the future past your lifetime, like once you're gone you can't see past that time frame and while technically Anakin does live.
Speaker 4:they make a point multiple times throughout Star Wars saying Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are two different people, Even though they're the same body. They're two different things.
Speaker 3:So the fact that Anakin dies at that point before he ever meets the children and obviously well before his redemption, that would make sense that he didn't see that right, but he did see the destruction of the death star or the destruction of alderaan, because he saw the yeah, he saw the death star shoot the lasers, so he had to have seen some. I mean, he did see past when he became Vader in that vision.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good point, but there's certain things that he's not seeing, which I feel like is the light side stuff.
Speaker 3:He's not seeing the good stuff, he's only seeing the bad stuff in that vision.
Speaker 2:He did just see the bad. Now that you say it, he didn't see his kids, which is a good thing he didn't see his redemption.
Speaker 4:Yeah, now that you say that it's possible, that's manipulation. Of course the son, but you know what.
Speaker 1:The son may only be able to see that. And had the daughter lived, maybe she could have shown him the good Right. You know, this is kind of like you know, kind of like you know Christmas Carol, you know the ghosts, oh yeah. You know Christmas past, present and future. So maybe she was able to show him a future that could be. You know, the son showed the future that we know for him, but the daughter could have shown him something completely different. Now she can't. Now she can't because she's gone.
Speaker 4:She did.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately she did All right, so let's get off that depressing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's go to the next.
Speaker 1:But it is a lot of very interesting things to ponder. I think I really like this and I like when they go deep like this. We didn't see a lot of clones during these Clone Wars episodes, but we're about to make up for that. We're about to make up for that, About to make up for that, as we head to the Citadel, for the Citadel and Counter-Attack, episodes 18 and 19. First of all, we do have to. We're going to bundle these two together, but we have to, of course, pay our respects, thoughts and prayers. We lost some good people For real and they went out harsh. Some of them we don't even know their name, so we know charger and long shot rip to those boys. And then in counter-attack we lost. We don't know his name. Is he got?
Speaker 2:he got chopped in here so we're calling him half track half track.
Speaker 1:Half track okay and then the other, the other unknown trooper. They got shot in the head on the bridge there by that doucher, that Christopher Walken wannabe douchebag. So we're going to call him Headshot.
Speaker 2:And Echo, I know so sad and they just show his helmet.
Speaker 1:It was just blasted hot and smoldering. I mean he echo sorry echo and you know thoughts and prayers, because we literally, literally, have known them since they were shinies. Yes, we've known them since they were recruits. And this is, this is, in my opinion, why the Clone Wars is peak Star Wars because we're we're getting like we've had all these blanks, like you know, for people that have followed Star Wars for years and years since the original trilogy. We've had all these questions, we've all had all these gaps in our knowledge. You know of what happened, you know we, we know we.
Speaker 1:You know Obi-Wan talked about the Clone Wars, right, you know. You know you know Princess Leia, you know you were. You know you served. You know Obi-Wan talked about the Clone Wars, right, you know Princess Leia. You know you served. You know General Kenobi, you served my father during the Clone Wars. You know we've heard about the. You know Luke, so you were in the Clone Wars. You know it's like we hear about this and now we're seeing this. You know, we see, you know.
Speaker 1:So I really love this TV show because of that, because we're seeing these stories, you know, we're seeing. We saw Obi Wan, as you know, kind of like the cute old hermit wizard living, you know, in his little little house out in the desert, minding his own business, but not minding his own business. Keeping an eye on Luke, not minding his own business, keeping an eye on Luke. You know, and we talked about it when we were watching, you know, you see, world War II veterans. You know, they're just these cute little old men. You know, some of them are still kicking ass, jumping out of airplanes still. Yeah, 92. 92. Well, no, the one guy was 98. 98.
Speaker 2:98 years old.
Speaker 1:He was a paratrooper in.
Speaker 2:World War II and for his 98th birthday he had his ass jumping out of an airplane. They took him out to jump. That's cool, that's hardcore.
Speaker 1:I mean he had, you know, he had a tandem it was a tandem because they wouldn't let him jump alone, but still but.
Speaker 2:I bet you he could have jumped alone. He probably. He was probably pissed as hell I wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:He would have but he way to go out he jumped 98.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'd be.
Speaker 2:I'd be like oh, I had a hard, I mean. So this dude jumped jumped into combat zones.
Speaker 1:This guy did you know, and he's so, and I, I was thinking about this as we see obi-wan like rappelling down the side of this cliff, you know, it's like, how are we going to get there? Well, I guess we're going to have to rappel down. Yeah, seeing, and he just all right, here we go and you know no, but there's.
Speaker 2:All of them were just excellent. Yeah, it was so fun to watch them. Just telling and doing it and then fricking Ahsoka park, flipping around everywhere everywhere.
Speaker 1:But it's, it's really cool to see with with Obi Wan, especially because we only knew him as an old man, like when we first encounter Obi-Wan. He is an old guy. And then now, seeing him on all of these adventures, you know, seeing the kind of person that he was and the kind of person that he becomes, even after the Clone Wars, during that time span where he's looking over Luke, yep, you know, it's just, it's really cool and it's really I think. I think it's what makes the Clone Wars series more endearing. Yeah, you know, because we do get these deep connections to these characters. I mean, a couple of clones who cares, they're a couple of clones. But when you see that with Echo, that hurts your heart.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, obviously knew what he was doing when he gave the clones a face and a name and personalities, because, going into this, we know who's got plot armor. So, to keep the show interesting, you know that these characters, certain characters, no matter what threat you throw at them, they're going to survive, sure. So they needed to give us new characters that they could not have that plot and we fall in love with them.
Speaker 3:And these characters happen to be clones, but he does such a good job. They do such a good job giving them all such unique personalities. You fall in love with them as individuals rather than as a group of people I actually forget you feel they're lost right that they're clones, sometimes until their helmets are off, right?
Speaker 2:You know, when they rescued them, they're all sitting there without their, and I was like oh shit, yeah, they all look alike.
Speaker 3:I mean you know, there's little differences, right? But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I like how they change their own voices changes there?
Speaker 1:yeah, there's.
Speaker 3:You know a lot of them do that, yeah, to kind of. They want to be individuals. They want to be unique baker man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so good. And yeah, do you. Bradley, mr baker, that guy, he is literally voiced a cast of thousands and then we get to see tarkin for the first time. Right, tarkin and the first time that we've seen him. Yeah, okay, so Tarkin and Anakin together Very strange Getting a little snooty with each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, the captain was being kind of shitty to the general.
Speaker 1:Hello. But when the general, when Skywalker fired back Tarkin, he was like he smiled. So now, he's like, okay, he's not just a little snot-nosed Jedi, okay, he's like, okay, he's not just a little snot nose jedi, okay, he's got some, uh, some some space balls. So okay, he had that little smirk on his face like all right, he's like, so will health, will huff. He, uh, he was like, yeah, I like this guy, I can work with this guy, so it's, it's interesting when we do see them again years later. You know that, uh, he actually, he actually holds sway over vader. Yeah, you know, in that, in that moment, you know, and it's. I've never really understood that, but again, it's like you know, now we're backtracking, so it's like you know but in that moment, you know, you know when vader's choking out dude, you know, know Tarkin's like.
Speaker 3:Vader release him. Does Tarkin know that Vader is Anakin? I'm almost 100% positive.
Speaker 1:I'm like 99% positive, I would think so. It's like the galaxy's like worst kept secret. You know, I'm sure, and Grand Moff Tarkin was up there, he was a big dog.
Speaker 3:That's true, he was.
Speaker 1:Palpatineine, I'm sure would have let him know. Yeah, you know, but I do wonder, I've I've always wondered that what was the power dynamic there, what was the chain of command there? Because he said, vader, release him. And he was like, as you wish, you know. But maybe they became but prior to that, like I mean, and after that, vader is just known for choking out officers.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe that's the problem.
Speaker 1:So Tarkin was like okay. Tarkin's gone.
Speaker 3:No one's there to hold him back. Who else does he choke after? Nobody Between the time that Captain Nita Captain Nita, dies Admiral Ozzel, admiral Ozzel.
Speaker 4:Admiral Ozzel was the first.
Speaker 1:I think that's all in ESB, right?
Speaker 3:That's all in Right. So only one person gets choked out in A New Hope, and that was in the boardroom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but he didn't die. Though he didn't die, he didn't kill him Because Tarkin was there, right?
Speaker 3:Right, but then Tarkin dies at the end of the New Hope. Yeah, and Admiral.
Speaker 1:Ozzel delivering one of my favorite lines Ah Lord Vader, we have just come out of hypersize.
Speaker 2:And what about R2?
Speaker 1:R2 and his boys. Commander R2. Commander R2 and his boys. And they were running shit With his own commander, commander R2. Commander R2. That was super cute. And his boys. That was super cute and they were running shit. Disgust, they were running shit. So how about when they were faking to have captured him and he was hitting R2 on the head with his? And then when they got in the?
Speaker 2:elevator R2 was like hey we didn't agree to that. Yeah, that wasn't the plan.
Speaker 1:I was just trying to make it real. I'm sorry. I'm trying to make it real. That was funny, that's funny r2's a boss.
Speaker 2:I hope those. I don't know what they're gonna do with those, but one of them.
Speaker 1:One of them didn't make it.
Speaker 2:No, I know yeah but they really need to keep them around. I don't know if we ever see them anymore. Probably not, probably not but, they serve their purpose.
Speaker 1:But it's just I that was like the one light-hearted moment in the whole little two-part episode.
Speaker 2:But this was a genius, a genius move to get into that place. Yeah, absolutely. You know, in carbonite and now carbonite, we can hopefully get little models. I would love of all of them.
Speaker 1:So any, anyone that's on that the you know any? Any Etsy makers that are listening to the show or watching the show? I want a captain Rex and carbonite because that's, and maybe even an Ahsoka and carbonite. That would be cool. Yeah, I like when they came out and he was like.
Speaker 2:He was like hello snips, was she in somebody else's carbonite? No, she got into her own she had her own.
Speaker 3:She just waited until the other ones were in theirs, and then she was like, yeah, yeah, she probably jumped in.
Speaker 2:And said hey do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, oh, I'm supposed to be with them and that Ugnaught's going to be like okay. Yeah, yeah, he don't care he don't care, that's so funny, but that moment was he's like oh hey, Snips. He's like hello master, and he's like wait a minute.
Speaker 3:And then Obi-Wan's like are my eyes deceiving me from the thing? Yeah. He's like do I have that? Looks like Ahsoka. He's like there's nothing wrong with your eyes, but apparently there's something wrong with her ears.
Speaker 1:And Obi-Wan's like well, welcome to the party. He doesn't care.
Speaker 2:He's like okay, whatever he does, but I think he knows that she can handle it. She can and she did, and it was actually good she went.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they needed her. They would have had to scrub the mission, the whole mission would have been done, yeah, so. But again, anakin's fear of loss. Okay, but I know, yeah, and we'll see that play later on. But you know she was like I. I should be able to choose. You know when and where my life is placed in danger you know that shouldn't be up to him.
Speaker 4:This is where it starts.
Speaker 2:Right so as she's.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's a separation necessarily.
Speaker 4:I think it's a separation necessarily.
Speaker 1:I think it's. You know what I mean. They start growing in different directions. Yes, and I think that she's again, she's. She seems way more emotionally mature than him. You know a lot. She doesn't necessarily have that same level of fear that he does. Well, she was taken younger yeah, I don't know how old she was when she I don't know but she was taken a lot younger lore master.
Speaker 1:Do we know that? Do we know how old ahsoka was, um, when she uh came to be with the jedi? I know she was an infant when we see her for the first time riding that big ass saber tooth cat, so that was pretty cool, but I don't know. I think she was like 12. I think like 12 or 14 ish when we see her for the first time 12, I think I think it's 12. Yeah, yeah, because she's 16 by the end of the war. If I'm not mistaken, she's like 16, 17 by the end of the war. But I, if I'm not mistaken, she's like 16, 17 by the end of the war.
Speaker 1:Um, but I don't know. I'm curious to see how old she was, um, and yeah, I just I think that these episodes, like the deeper we get into season three, um, it's just like the deeper we get like into the lore, like I don't like, like we've got three more episodes left to watch in this season, I'm assuming the next one is the close to a three-part arc, which, for the citadel right, yeah, so then there's only two after that so I imagine it's a two-parter I I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm hoping for something with jar jar banks. No, I I am. I need to laugh at this point, brother, I need to laugh, I just I know, but we need to go out with a bang. We can't go out with the jar, jar banks we've got to go out with a jar jar bank, so I'm I'm voting. I don't know what's coming up next.
Speaker 3:Seriously, yeah, tony, if I see, when we turn this off, you know how it gives a little icon. If there's a, if I see jar jar on any of those icons, I'm just gonna going to go upstairs. Come on man. No, come on, you can't. I don't need a Jar Jar episode.
Speaker 1:We do need a Jar Jar. What about a droid episode no?
Speaker 2:Not a Jar Jar.
Speaker 1:No See, sorry, I just came back, you didn't even hear the whole conversation no Jar Jar anymore.
Speaker 4:I said, we just need something light. Seven to eight really heavy episodes I think they're gonna get heavy.
Speaker 1:Can we get so cool? Was born 36 bby, okay, and this takes place 20 bby, which would make her 14 right now, she's 14 right now, so but when did she get to the jet? When did the jedi get a hold of her? If we know, I don't know if we know that.
Speaker 4:So this actually suggests and this is Wikipedia this is basically saying that she died 20 BBY on Mortis but then was resurrected.
Speaker 3:Which is what we just saw.
Speaker 4:So she would have been 16 at that time.
Speaker 1:So she died at 16 and then was resurrected at 16.
Speaker 4:Yep, yep.
Speaker 1:Okay, but nothing on how old she was when she came to the Jedi. Nothing about that. Not seeing it yet.
Speaker 4:They might not be in the story. You just know that, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because they take them young anyway. I'm assuming, after the incident with that lion thing or whatever, that she tamed.
Speaker 3:That was probably pretty soon after that.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say they took her, yeah yeah, shortly thereafter. Yeah, because I mean the temple is her home. I mean she does know the temple inside and out.
Speaker 1:We really don't know much about her life prior to prior to her hanging out with anakin. What you got uh.
Speaker 4:So soka was discovered on her home world by jedi master plo coon, that's why that's oh little so close got it little soka.
Speaker 1:is that from the? Does it say what the source is for that? Is it a book, is it part of the series or anything it doesn't specify? Okay.
Speaker 2:So there's.
Speaker 1:Well, it comes from somewhere. Look at where it says that she was discovered. Is there a little number in parentheses next to it? No, I mean because there's sources for all that. I mean they're not just going to put in some random shit in Wikipedia, so I'm sure that there's. Well, that information came from some cited source that Plo Kling got.
Speaker 4:I'm sure it did. It's just not giving it to me. That's fine.
Speaker 1:We'll look into it more. We'll do a little deep dive on that. So, man, I think that's it for this week. Man, I think that's it for this for this week. So a short episode for us because we only watched three episodes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We're going to watch three more episodes next week, so the last three episodes the last three episodes of season three and then we're on to season four. After that, oh, man, man, it's going to get deep. It's going to get deep Like we're already deep in it. We're already deep in the pudding.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're already about elbow Right. I don't know, can we go all the way to the shoulder? We're going to keep going.
Speaker 1:So, now that we've come this far with season three, before we wrap for this episode, now that we've come this far, would we still say that it's worth watching seasons one and two? Yeah, that it's worth watching seasons one and two or just start with seasons three? Are we still saying that? Because season one?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you would miss all kinds of shit. You have to watch all of it because it goes all over the place You're right, it does go. I'm wondering if he does it on purpose to make sure you watch it all.
Speaker 1:No, I think there's just some ADHD going on, and he was like hey, I think we should write this.
Speaker 2:But going on and he was like hey, I think we should write this.
Speaker 1:But you know what contradicts that? I will do a backstory next season. It's fine, we can do it. So keep watching, watch, watch, watch, watch, all of it. And, if for no other reason, you get connected to the characters and you appreciate the characters and you feel it more when they're no longer with us.
Speaker 3:I will say that, as someone who has tried to watch the series multiple, multiple times and just not been gripped in, or a big fan, and even through our watching of the first two seasons, there was episodes that I enjoyed but nothing was still gripping me. Yeah, um, this this season. So I would say, if you're out there and you're, you know listening. Well, I guess, if you're listening this far, you've probably already made up your mind that you're, you know, listening. Well, I guess, if you're listening this far, you've probably already made up your mind that you're going to watch. But I, going forward, I will recommend to people that it's rough at times, but you got to make it through those first two seasons because it gets good. Don't give up after the first two seasons. That's what I'll say. All right, cause I've done that multiple times and I'm I times and I'm in now, I'm invested.
Speaker 1:I'm invested, Tony. What about you?
Speaker 4:Oh, I mean absolutely. I definitely think that it is important to watch at least parts of the first and second season. I mean, there's definitely an episode here and there that you can skip, but it doesn't really hurt anything. But if you've made it this far, you can't skip anything now.
Speaker 1:Now you are in. Yeah, you're in it. Yeah, you're in it. Now You're invested.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I think the skipping is probably done at this point. Yeah, I know.
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