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Skeleton Crew: Review-Episodes 5-6-7
In our latest episode, we dive into the intricate moral landscape of Skeleton Crew, focusing on character development, especially surrounding Jod and KB. We discuss friendship, betrayal, and the importance of representation in media, leaving listeners with speculation about the series' finale and its implications for the characters' futures.
• Dissecting Jod's character dynamics and moral ambiguity
• The emotional growth journey of the young protagonists
• The significance of KB's representation and empowerment
• Exploring the implications of inclusion within storytelling
• Predictions for the final episode and its potential impact
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Speaker 1:Hey, welcome to Skeleton Crew Review. I am Tommy D and we are back from the holiday break. Hopefully, everyone had a happy and safe holiday and, as we said before the break, hopefully, uh, you engaged in some shenanigans and maybe a little bit of crime and didn't get caught. So be safe, don't get caught. Those are, uh, that's the the phrase that pays. So this week we are joined by t to the oni, also known as Jedi Master, baloney, keeper of the Holocron.
Speaker 2:What's up?
Speaker 1:everybody, welcome back. How was?
Speaker 2:your holiday? Pretty good, pretty good. I had a good time. Didn't do anything too crazy, but didn't get caught for what I did, so I'll take it as a win, that's what I like to hear and pilot of the infamous parma flyer is crash hi, everybody s foil is locked and ready to go.
Speaker 3:And for you ready to go, oh man hopefully that didn't come out of your sock.
Speaker 1:It did not, all right. So for those of you joining us for the first time on the show, go back and listen or re-watch one of our other episodes you had some feelings about I had.
Speaker 1:I had some feelings about sock credits and uh, and jod um putting sock credits into his mouth, so, but he deserves all that and more. So we're going to be talking about that. So, so, what we're going to be doing, uh, this week because we did take a couple of weeks off, we did miss a couple of episodes uh, we are going to be talking about episodes uh, five, six and seven, skeleton crew and uh, giving our thoughts and, uh, our little review, what we thought about the, uh, these episodes. I think we can all agree jod is a dick. I think let's just start there. I mean that's. I think that's as good a place as any start, because these three episodes really do show a lot of him. We're seeing more growth with the kids, which was great. Um, and well, I want to talk about kb. That was shocking, that was heart-wrenching some of it. But let's talk about jod. Let's talk about the pirate captain. Was it crimson jack? Yeah, well, was it crimson? No, the crimson jack, yeah. So, let's, let's talk about this slimo, shall we?
Speaker 3:oh, I, I think the like the nfl playoff prediction bracket for jod's redemption arc. Is it like 12? It's over, like you bastard so all right.
Speaker 1:So here's, here's my question for you guys. All right, I again, I think we're all in agreement, agreement that he is just an asshole. I, I mean the, the guy, you, you think that he's a scruffy nerf herder. You know he's just a, you know he's a scoundrel. He was giving off han solo vibes a little bit. So nothing, nothing we haven't dealt with before, nothing terrible, nothing we can't handle. But then he's putting knives to the throats of children, talking about carving their parents up with lightsabers. I mean, okay. So here's my question. Two-part question. Two-part question for you question. Two-part question. Two-part question for you. At what point in the seat in the series so far did you kind of fall in love with jod and at what point did you say, man, fuck that. Yeah crash.
Speaker 3:Okay, uh fell in love with jod. Oh gosh, it was pretty early on on the at akron or at kaihaga falls or whatever the second planet, when he you know saved the kids, you know worked a deal and you generally felt like this partnership was. You knew he was gonna screw them over, but maybe in a happy jack sparrow kind of way. Yeah, even at the spa I was when he was like kind of yelling at them to focus. Yeah, he was, he's obsessed about the money.
Speaker 3:I understand that and, and that was part of me, that's like okay, but you're gonna be like honorable about it maybe. Like okay, you're in. Okay, you're a pirate but maybe a decent guy. And as soon as he challenges Fern, I'm like you son of a bitch. And the only thing saving him from being a complete D-bag is he could have killed her outright. He could have. Just, you know, a little bit of dark for a Disney show, but I'm like he told her to her face just yield and it's done. I'm like okay, so he didn't just kill a kid, he ganked Brutus without a second thought.
Speaker 1:Oh, he sauced Brutus. That was beautiful. I mean he sauced him. I mean that was just one to the dome. Lights out for brutus. That is a wrap, that is a series wrap on brutus.
Speaker 3:Ladies and gentlemen, and I even I was like he was winning me back over with that I'm hungry speech because there's a lot of truth there. You know, sure you know. There's this thing where people this trope that pirates all bad guys are bad guys. Some people are bad because they've got nothing else, like that one Quarren he referenced. You want to start a farm, your own microbrewery or whatever for Quarrens, you've got to rake in some money before you can do it. That's how people in this galaxy can compare desperation.
Speaker 1:They're you know they're doing credits. Maybe you're doing the wrong things for the right reason. I mean, andor is a perfect example. Andor is a murderous bastard. You know, cassian andor is a murdering bastard, but but it's, I mean, you know, kind of for the greater good. But in this case with Jod, I don't think we have a greater good with this guy.
Speaker 3:He started, you know, challenging Fern was one thing. When he starts, I even see sneaking on the ship, you know, and finally having it like he's had enough of the kids and they're whining and all that Threatening their family. Having it like he's had enough of the kids and they're whining and all threatening their family, like if he had just brought these kids home they probably would have given him a freaking reward, like yeah, he didn't have enough credits to just go off and live his best life, but he wants it all. That's it, and we'll talk that scene in the. In the vault that boy was doing the scrooge mcduck money pit swim.
Speaker 1:He was loving it I mean just just one of those crates of old republic credits. He's set for life. He's set for life. So. So at what point were you done with john, like, at what point did you whatever, whatever fantasy you had about him? At what point was it gone?
Speaker 3:I think when he pulled the lightsaber on the kids and threatened to carve up their families because like that was so unnecessary, you had the in. All you had to do is bring the kids home, drop them off safe.
Speaker 1:You'd be a hero and you just gotta go d-bag yeah, they probably would have given him a boatload of credits too. Boatload of credits, Alright, Tony. What are you thinking? Job moments, Good, the bad and the ugly what do you?
Speaker 2:got. I never fell in love with them. I really didn't. They made it the fact that every single time the kids were introduced to another person, they said do not trust him. Like it was to me very clear.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like he's talking a good game, but he's going to turn out to be the asshole. And so I just like for me it was the always keeping them at arm's pace. And so I just like, for me it was the always keeping them at arm's pace. Now I will say, like, was there hope that you know he's going to at least try to do right by the kids to get them home? Yeah, like that was definitely there, but there was never a. He's actually a good guy. And then, as far as where it turned for me pretty much the same exact time frame when he challenged for captainship there's a small part of you in the back of my mind that's going maybe there's just something that he needs to be able to do as captain that he needs that position for. And that's why he's saying just yield, don't. Maybe there's more to it.
Speaker 1:There's a reason like he has to play this role of this bad guy, but I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 2:I think he's but then the moment when, when it's old, when the challenge is over, and he's like, yeah, lock them up and like once it's very clear that, yeah, that wasn't just a play for whatever, it's a he's done like he's just no longer cares about them. Yeah, that's the point, it's the art. Yeah, he's the bastard. He's you know, he's going to be the bad guy from here on out. He is a bastard.
Speaker 2:The thing that I don't get and I might be jumping the gun a little bit here is that okay, so he could drop the kids off, he could pretend to be the adversary and get away with his plan to a degree, but the idea of harving up the parents and doing all this like you had a heart, like, granted, now you've got a lightsaber, but you had a hard time dealing with smi yeah, one-on-one. You've got an entire planet full, full of droids that are capable of. You've got an entire planet full of droids that are capable of basically Stunning them. Yeah, that's Sorry, I lost the word from there yeah, just flat out stunning them and incapacitating them. He might be decent with a lightsaber. So far he hasn't shown me that he has any particular skill with it, just the obvious basics. I don't think he can possibly win this, so I'm very curious to see how this next episode goes. But like, yeah, I just I don't think he's really in a winnable situation as close as he is to his goal so let's, let's talk about that for a minute.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about um, where he is, and we're seeing a couple more instances of him using the quote unquote, force. I'm still not completely convinced, but and he's handling the lightsaber. But my next question what do we think and I'm I'm guessing we'll probably find this out in the final episode, which is, which is coming up here in a few days but, um, do we think that he is legitimately a force wielder like is? Was he a youngling? Was he a padawan? Did he just kind of fall into it like broom kid? I mean, like what are you guys thinking in terms of his force crash? What do you think?
Speaker 3:I'm still sticking by my theory that he's self-taught for the most part. You know, there's the jedi order were taken out in order 66, the temple was shut down. There's still force-sensitive people. There's people that have the raw talent, maybe not the training but, like he even told the kids, with enough meditation there's enough lore of the Jedi out there in the galaxy that if you put your mind to it, maybe you can levitate a few things. Maybe he can, you know, do a few tricks that worked well for a pirate. But I don't think he's.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't call him a trained force wielder, but I'd say a raw talent well, but he, he did say something that, like he knows, he knows jedi terminology, he knows, he knows, he knows Jedi terminology, he knows, he knows phrases, he knows ideas, he knows concepts. You know, he says your focus determines your, your reality, you know.
Speaker 3:I think we're chasing Easter eggs basically by God line, Right so?
Speaker 1:I mean. So it almost seems like he did have some sort of training or he was exposed to it, or maybe somebody else that he dealt with was trained or something. I mean, he could be a secondhand Jedi, but I'm still noticing that everything that he manipulates using the force, it's usually always something metallic. So is it? Is it some sort of a mat, Like? Like he got out of his own, his own binders? He got out of his restraints, right, Just shoot, shoot, you know, and it was done. But so I don't know, Tony, what do you think?
Speaker 2:Uh, I mean I tend to agree with Crash. I think he's a natural force user lacking proper training to be able to do any grander things. Yeah, I mean he can do some parlor tricks and whatnot, but the big thing for me is if he had any training as far as, like you know, you know mind control types of abilities, he's had ample time to use them and we've never seen it right. So to me it's the just. I have some natural abilities but I've never been trained on how to use them, so they're more like parlor tricks, but they can come in handy.
Speaker 3:He's strong in the. Fake it till you, make it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so I'm going to call it right now. He is a defective Palpatine clone. I'm just going to put that out there right now. So it's going to come out that he was in one of Palpatine's many, many cloning facilities. It got hit during the clone wars, blew up and he escaped barely and he isn't even aware that he's a palpatine clone, but he's a palpatine clone. He could. He could actually even be the, a sibling of Rey that's possible Rey's half-brother.
Speaker 3:We've never explored why we know Palpatine had a son.
Speaker 1:And I know some of the newer books we've explored.
Speaker 3:There's some lineages floating around there.
Speaker 1:I don't really think that. I don't really think that, I don't really think that he's, I'm just I know.
Speaker 3:But but you know it's not out of the realm of possibility. It's like that 12 playoff bracket.
Speaker 1:It's low but we don't know. We don't know. Somehow palpatine returned, so somehow jod could be a palpatine clone. I, I don't, you know. And it's interesting because if you look at, if you look at the um the emperor reborn from the eu, I could see the resemblance between, between jude law and, you know, the, the way that palpatine, a young palpatine, was depicted. Yeah, I don't think that, that that jod is in any way related to palpatine. I just I think it would be fun, though it would be so bad it would. It would jump all the sharks if that was. If that was the case, though, if you know, he was in any way related to palpatine or anyone else. So I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm I'm really excited to see I'm excited, but I'm also a little bit sad that that this great series is coming to an end here in just a few days yeah, I am really hoping that it's not the end of a series, as it is just the end of a season I want to see and I say this in the the most loving way possible I want to see disney exploit these children until they're adults and they just can't take it anymore for my own selfish nerdy needs, because I I have grown to love these kids and I'm so happy to see their journeys and their adventures and I'm having so much fun on this. It's such a nostalgia ride that I just I want more. I want a season two through 13. You know I want to see these. I mean I want it to be generational, like Harry Potter. You know I mean we saw those kids literally grow up from the age of 10 and into their 20s. I mean I would love to see that for the skeleton crew, but I don't know. It would be great.
Speaker 3:And I don't know. We've been told that, dave Fil, it was going to be like this uh, a first Avengers movie, compilation of the entire Mando verse and all the Disney plus shows into a into a. I don't know how these kids fit in with Mando and Grogu and Bo-Katan and all that yet is. You know, we'll see what happens in the finale, whether this, this shows designed as a one-off or if it's gonna have some legs or potential I mean it's universally loved.
Speaker 1:At this point I even even the fandom menace has been really, really quiet. I've noticed there's not I mean you can't hate on this show and for those that have tried, I've seen there's a couple people that will. That will remain nameless because I don't want to give them any press. But there's been a couple who are kind of like tertiary fandom menacers. They're not like regular star wars content creators. They generally handle all, all media. So they, you know they'll, they'll attack whatever you know, but even their audiences. They tried like a couple of times to really go hard on skeleton crew and their own audiences, kind of pushed back, and then they haven't said anything since. So what that tells me is the hit, you know, kind of pushed back, and then they haven't said anything since. So what that tells?
Speaker 3:me is that this is a hit, you know, and I think it does have legs, crash Absolutely, I think the fandom as a whole, the real fandom, not just the internet troll part has learned the lesson of Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best, where we're going to start protecting our own, especially the young ones, and you're not going to hurt, we're not going to. There's always going to be somebody that's looking for clout, that's going to like make you know, make some big deal, that KB has two moms. Oh well, fight me outside, I don't care.
Speaker 1:There's been. You know what I thought? I really thought that that was going to die on. That was. That's such an easy point to attack I've heard nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've heard nothing. I I mean there's a few little rumblings and a few little few little. It's woke here and there, but it's such minor chatter that it it's not even registering. So it's like because the show itself, it it's so solid on so many levels. And I also think and I hope I don't think this, but I hope this, I hope people are starting to realize that the galaxy far, far away is not our reality. There are countless worlds, countless races and species out there. Why can't we have space suburbs? Why can't we have two moms? You know what I mean. So it's like it's you've got all this vast expanse. Anything's possible, absolutely anything is possible, and I think again, I hope that they've come to realize this. I haven't even heard people talking shit about the space suburbs anymore. That was the number one point of contention when the the trailers came out.
Speaker 2:But I think people are just actually legitimately loving the show yeah, I saw after, after episode six came out, I saw one article that was basically trying to take Disney to task for KB being a a placeholder for people with disabilities. And like I saw that article and like nearly lost my shit Cause I'm like like really like you, like this is the hell, you want to die and I like that the St. Jude kids don't get ready to be the keyboard warrior.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and literally, like I was gearing up to go off and then I saw, and then I I just saw it like, literally within an hour, like this thing was just getting ratioed to hell and I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna take a step back and breathe and let them deal with that because apparently it's under control yeah, because that's we we talk about.
Speaker 1:You know, everybody talk wants to talk about dei, right, and you know the, the evil that diversity, equity and inclusion brings upon the world. I and I never thought that that those things would be considered evil. You know, diversity, equity and inclusion, those are all really good things to have. But when we're looking at kb and I'm glad you brought that up, because I did I definitely did want to talk about kb. But when we're looking at kb, very, very seldom do we see people in star wars with a disability, where it's talked about as having a disability. You know we see people get their arms and legs chopped off and they get. You know, I mean, shouldn't? Darth Maul has a disability? He, he is a disabled corn wars veteran. And you know, I mean, my boy got chopped in half, but we don't ever talk about that as a disability. It's, it's almost like an enhancement. And then in the book of boba fett mods, you know they're enhanced. You know, and now we we get to see this from the perspective of kb. And when we're talking about what dei is supposed to be, we're talking about inclusion, we're talking about having a property where anyone can watch it and they're going to see people who look like them, and that just makes it relatable.
Speaker 1:So now, if you do have children that have augments you know, I don't even want to call it disabilities now, after this episode, you're augmented, you're in a wheelchair, you have breathing apparatus, you're not disabled, you're augmented. But KB still had the courage to say I can't do all of the things that you can do. Let's have that conversation. And she wasn't comfortable having that conversation at first and that caused some stress between her and firm. But by having that conversation, what about those kids out there watching this show who are, them themselves augmented and now they're like you know what kb? I can relate to, kb, thank you. I'm gonna tell my friends tomorrow that, guys, I can't run and jump and climb and do these things that you do, and I can't be quiet about it anymore. I gotta tell you that, that episode was great.
Speaker 3:Love it for, for there was as action-wise, timeline wise, there wasn't a lot happening, in that, you know, the kids fall out of a tube after the trip, land in a junk pile. Oh wait, we got to get back to the ship. That's the episode, and this was the Bryce Dallas Howard episode. There's a lot of heavy lifting, emotional, just gravitas going on here. I like the fact that we got the pairs split up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was fern yeah neil and kb and win, because you break the boys and the girls up and now they get to interact with each other and they get to actually kind of meet each other. Yeah, we, we learned so much about each of them because you know fern's the alpha of the pair and KB, you know, was afraid to tell her. I can't keep up with you. Even now. You look back at that scene in the first episode when they're in the speeder racing together. You know she's sitting there in the sidecar like baggage because she's afraid to tell her like I can't do that Maybe where her accident came from. We don't know.
Speaker 1:We don't know. I so want to find out. Like, what happened to kb? How did? But this was her growth episode too. Like we got to see neil whim and fern on their growth episodes and this was definitely one for kb, because I was wondering. I was like, when are we going to get to see kb, kind of like you know, grow a little bit? And I wouldn't.
Speaker 3:I was not disappointed and and the way you know she talked calmly, talked bit and I wouldn't, I was not disappointed. And then the way she talked calmly, talked with him through how to how to replace, as someone who's done medical repairs for family members on the fly, like my, you know, I've taken care of my dad. There've been times where I, you know, they asked me to like, can you do this procedure and do it, and it's you're like, okay, this is somebody I you know, this is, you know, do it. And you're like, okay, this is somebody I you know this is, you know, stressful, yeah, yeah, to say oh, hey, uh, mold a fuse before my body decides to shut down in the middle seconds away yeah, and he.
Speaker 3:You know the fact that he, he was on the ball and got it done and I like how at the end she's sort of like half joking, like you know. Thanks for saving my life, jedi, because she knows, oh, that was like oh, that got me, that got me because she knows.
Speaker 1:Oh, that got me, that got me in my chest.
Speaker 3:When she said that that got me in my chest, I was like oh, oh, you don't have to be jumping into space battles to be a hero, and I think that's a great lesson for kids. You know, sometimes doing little things to help people around you, that's bravery, just as much as space battles and lightsabers and all that a lot of empowerment a lot of empowerment going on in in these, in that episode specifically, um, and then we got to see the onyx cinder.
Speaker 1:What, what? I was not expecting that. That was like I knew it had an armor on it. We, we learned that from from the pirate. You know the the pirate captain tech is that his text text something? Um, we, I know that that he had installed some armor on it.
Speaker 3:I, I wasn't expecting this, the whole ass sexy ship, to pop out and that that's the key to getting in past the maelstrom of at at that's.
Speaker 1:The key is that it's an ad at and ship, yeah, and then and then, uh, when they were flying through the barrier, I liked how the uh, the. The satellite grid started turning green when it flew by. I was like I know disney's not going to kill kids in a show, but I was still kind of on the edge. The satellite grid started turning green when it flew by. I was like I know Disney's not going to kill kids in a show, but I was still kind of on the edge of my seat, I'm not going to lie. I was like, are they going to make it?
Speaker 3:I know they're going to. I mean, obviously they're going to make it, but are they going to make it For any Disney fans? Those satellites were hilarious for me because it reminded me of the magic bands you wear when you go to a Disney park. When you enter the park, you scan a wristband and the thing lights up green. When it's like you know it recognizes who this is. As soon as I saw that turn green, I was like, okay, now you got to put your fingerprint on the touchpad and you go in. That's a Disney park admission.
Speaker 1:So completely off topic. But speaking of the magic bands, I have yet to go to Galaxy's Edge. I'm really, really itching to go. It's not gonna happen this year, probably next year, I hope, but that's where I got this, by the way your credit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, I saw someone on reddit. They disassembled their uh, their magic band scanner thing and put it into a glove, and then so they. They use the force to to get into the different places. They just wave their hand over the sensors and it's now installed in in the palm of their glove. I was like god, you're such a nerd and I love it I absolutely love it um that's sweet. So so these were I'm sorry. Go ahead, tony. What were you saying?
Speaker 1:I was like that's, that's sweet, that that, that somebody did that it's such, god I love, love being a nerd, love being a star wars nerd, and it is such a great time to be a star wars nerd. I used to think there was too much star wars happening because you know, you know when, for the original trilogy generation, you know, we got a movie every couple of years until we didn't. And then we went like 15 years without a movie, except for the special editions, which those were hit or miss for us. But so now it's like there's so much star Wars and I, I, I miss for us. But so now it's like there's so much star wars and I, I, I.
Speaker 1:At first I wanted to be a little upset about that because I'm like you know what it kind of loses some of its magic. But then skeleton crew came out and I was just like no, we're back, we're back. I wasn't hating on star wars, by any means, not not to the level of fandom menace, but I was. I was getting to the point where it was like, oh, okay, more star wars, let's check it out. It almost felt like a chore. It's like well, I'm a star wars fan, I gotta watch this so let's go, let's do the thing um.
Speaker 3:I'm always amazed when marvel fans complain about the extent of the mc. There's people saying that they should reboot the mcu to the beginning because oh, it's so hard to keep up, boy, it's like one or two movies and a couple TV shows a year and we all know you got nothing else to do. So go watch and keep up. You're going to have to watch Moon Knight, accept it.
Speaker 1:Moon Knight was something else.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I mean there's this idea that there's such a thing as content overload. Yeah, there can be a little too much Star Wars sometimes, but one of the things I like about the Disney Plus shows is that we were talking earlier. People have such short attention spans that a 35, 40 minute episode, seven, eight arc you know the skeleton crew could not work as a movie. Bob is obsessed with movie making movies again instead of TV shows but this would not do well. This would be a flop as a movie because it it just doesn't have the legs to compete with the movies that are out there. This one you couldn't put this up against the new Superman movie and expect to beat it.
Speaker 1:And there's not, there's, there's not enough time to really to really get into the characters and really to become emotionally invested and all that.
Speaker 3:But now, but you get to explore so many different areas that the tree is branching that we have skeleton crew and and Ray and Andor and Star Wars Rebels happening at roughly the same time and now everybody's got an avenue of Star Wars that they can explore and it's good, I'm telling you.
Speaker 2:It's a great time, tony. What do you think? So for me, when we talk about content, overload, overload and whatnot? For me, with star trek, that's we like wait with a little movie to me the solo movie.
Speaker 1:No, no, hold on, hold on now. You said that trek use it with star trek.
Speaker 2:Sorry, my apologies man you're in. You're in the wrong neighborhood brother.
Speaker 1:I love Star Trek too. Star Wars.
Speaker 2:Yes, like for me, the Solo movie was like, don't get me wrong. Did I want to know more about Han's backstory? Yeah, but did I need an entire sequence to know how he got his gun? No, Did I need an entire sequence to see how he got the little chain that we, the little thing with the dice that hangs off of his windshield? No, I didn't need to see that and To me, like that's where it gets annoying. Sometimes is he like okay, you're gonna give me a whole show which is gonna give me 5% more over characters depth, and I'd like I don't need that. Star Wars is an entire galaxy. You've got a massive time frame to play with, yet we keep focusing on the same 60-year period and just beating it to death. That's the part that gets to me sometimes.
Speaker 2:I still enjoy it. It's still fun, but, like something like this for skeleton crew we'll see. Okay, there's maybe a passing reference here or there, but all in all, we're talking about new characters that we've never explored before. We're talking about new planets, new plot lines that have nothing to do with the greater war and, and to me, that's great, like, and that's what I love about it. And like you mentioned, you know, uh, marvel universe and sometimes people get bogged down with that. To me, no, like, yes, within the original, you know, phase one, two and three of marvel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's some things that you need to watch in order to keep up and okay, okay, fine, if that gets to be too much for somebody, okay, I guess. But so far, moon Knight is just Moon Knight. There was no interaction with any other superhero. There was nothing else going on. So see, if you want to watch it, great, and I enjoyed it. If you don't want to watch it, fine. Yeah, there's maybe going to be a movie down the road where they're going to introduce him, and if you haven't watched the series, you're going to have a couple questions. But that's fine, you can take it or leave it, and so for me, that's not content overload. That's just okay. Here's a variety of content. Pick and choose what you like.
Speaker 1:All right, that's fair. You know you do bring up a good point too. You know we are the only time that we have really stepped outside of. You know the, the, the skywalker era is with, with the acolyte, and that's really the but other than that we have still our left and right limit have have taken place either a little bit before or directly after the events of the original trilogy. You know we're like you said, it's that same. You know 60-ish year. You know era. You know we, we haven't talked about.
Speaker 1:You know the old Republic. You know like going back, you know a thousand plus years, or moving ahead to. You know the, the fell Empire. You know I can't remember how many years and ahead that was, but that was, uh. But even with that, that's still. You know you're still dealing with kade skywalker, but it's not during this time frame. It's not, you know, because right now, during, I mean, we're in the mando verse. I know that's the era that they're calling it, but luke and leia are still. They're still out there kicking it, you know. So, all of so I think on one level it's being done deliberately to keep us rooted in a familiar galaxy. You know, keeping it Star Wars, like, if we went back to like knights of the old republic era, you know, would a lot of the older fans acclimate to that. I mean, we've played the games, sure, but you know, would we? Would we take to that and feel comfortable in that era the way that we feel comfortable in this?
Speaker 3:you know, republic, empire, post-empire era, that, uh, that we all inhabit now I don't know if you guys remember, when the prequels came out, there was a lot of. I remember I was just getting into the fan forums, uh, forcenet, shout out, um, and it was interesting because there were, like you're saying, there were a lot of people, a lot of casual fans and and non-nerd people who knew of star wars as a cultural thing. You know, everybody knows what darth vader means, but not, you know. But they may not know the specifics, you know, other than the I am your father.
Speaker 3:Um, when the prequels first came out, there was a little bit of what's this? Are we reinventing the like? Cause it was not the Luke and Leia that we knew. You know, the fact that Obi-Wan was a young man was like shocking for some people. You know, like, oh, this is that old guy from the first movie who dies. We're going to, we get to see him. You know, it took a little time to acclimate the non, shall we say, outside the circle of nerds. Sure, the diehard fans, you know, even the diehard fans, you know, complain because it didn't fit their head canon, and that's where a lot of the replay came from.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but for the casual fan, the everyday movie goer. There was a little bit of this is Star Wars before Star Wars and I feel like this is the same thing with Skeleton Crew, where this is Star Wars in between the two trilogies. You know I love that. See going back to the episode on the resort planet when the kids see the X-Wings chasing the pirates. I love how Wim finally makes the connection as a proud member of the fraternity the X-Wings are the good guys Right right.
Speaker 1:But what you were saying too, though with the prequels there is still, Even though that we are seeing, you know, new things, new characters, we're getting origin stories. There's still that connective tissue, you know, there's still the. There's still that familiarity We've still, we're still seeing Tatooine. We're we're seeing, you know, we're hearing the names Obi-Wan, Kenobi, Palpatine, Alderaan. You know there's, you know, Coruscant. You know there's still these things.
Speaker 3:Although I don't think Coruscant, you know, there's still these things, although I don't think Coruscant was ever mentioned in the original trilogy, not until the special edition. That came from the EU and then, when they did the special edition, they retro it into Return of the Jedi.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and because that was just the celebration, right, yeah, so, but but we still had, you know, we had the Skywalker name. We had again, you know, tatooine. We had these, these points of familiarity for older fans to be able to connect to, and I think that was that was something they. They did with the sequels as well. You know that that first, you know episode seven, you know that was people complained that it was too much like the original trilogy, that some of it was just like almost shot for shot, like you know, things out of the original trilogy. But I was, I was kind of grateful for that because when I saw it in the theater, I was, I was like, okay, that's not tatooine, but it's desert planet. So I, okay, I'm feeling that and seeing the falcon and all you know. So I I think we're always going to need that.
Speaker 1:I think we I don't know if we'll ever really escape this particular era because I, tony, like you said, they're just kind of like they're beating this era to death, like it's like every story is happening in this time frame and now, with the skeleton crew taking place, I guess, kind of parallel to the events of the mandalorian, you know. But but there's more stories to tell in this. It's like it's comfortable, you know it's. It's like it's a comfortable era and there's, like you said, it's a. It's a big galaxy, so there's a lot of stories to tell.
Speaker 2:So exactly that's getting like I understand you make a good point about, like, if you go all the way back to to old republic, like you know there's some, there's just a level of familiarity you're gonna lose, and I get that and that's fine. But, like again, it's a big galaxy. You can tell a story like this one. You can tell a story like and or where it's the hey. It doesn't all have to be about the skywalker family. It doesn't all have to be about this war between the empire and the resistance, like there's a much wider group of stories that you can tell within that same universe to keep us invested without just beating the same drum over and over and over, and this is, this is one of them.
Speaker 1:I mean, this is, you know, and I just love it. All right, so we're gonna. We're gonna wrap up real quick, um, but I I wanted to. I don't know if this was a thing, I feel like it was, but when, when, when jod was in the vault, when he first went to the vault, they said he asked you know how many vaults are there? They said there was 1139 vaults, like on the planet, like this was not the only one. So I don't know if it's so, if you, they're in that one vault. So there is still 1138 vaults remaining 1138. Thx 1138. The George Lucas, his first film that he ever made. I mean, they reference that THx 1138 is just sprinkled all throughout star wars lore.
Speaker 1:So I'm wondering if that was that had to have been done on purpose that's not a random number that's not a yeah, yeah there's two thousand volts, there's two there, there's, you know, a thousand volts, but yeah, I can see somebody in the writer's room doing a price is right.
Speaker 3:We're like 11, 38, 11, 39 drew, you know, just make up a random, you know plus one to throw off the fan easter egg hunting. But yeah, that was a cute little. Yeah, we get the. Oh, I feel like captain, I get that reference right, oh, I love it.
Speaker 1:I, when I when I heard, I was like wait a minute, that's 11. So there's 11, 138 volts Like you sneaky, crafty nerds. I love it. All right, so we're going to wrap up predictions for the final episode, episode eight, which again is coming out here in just a few days. Um crash go. What are your predictions? What are we going to see?
Speaker 3:Oh, I know there's one clip that leaked out of William and his dad on a speeder. I feel like the kids are going to break out, obviously, but I think the families are going to get involved. I loved real quickly the beginning, the parents sending up that beacon. You know again Neil Nation represent. But Neil's mom was like fearless about just okay, I have stubby legs but I'll outrun the security droids, let's go. I have a feeling the families are going to fight back and it's going to be fun to watch them kind of rebel against John even with his lightsaber.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, tony.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in the same vein I know we talked about it in one of the previous episodes where when Wim's father got frustrated with the fact that the droids weren't going to do anything and it was very clear that that that they were kind of on their own as far as trying to get their kids back. You know, we talked about that moment where he puts his glasses down and he's just like, yeah, I mean, you know, just in his head, you know he's just getting ready to go to war, and we didn't really see a lot of it. But I think now is where we're going to catch up to us okay, all right.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm looking forward to it. I think we're gonna. I think we're gonna have a connection between the supervisor and um, the original pirate tech. I can't remember his full name.
Speaker 1:I thought it's tech tech renard brandar rendar okay, I think that there's going to be a connection there, because I think the onyx cinder crashed on on anton hundreds of years ago I don't think it was even a hundred years ago, I want to say it was hundreds, plural, um. And I think there's going to be a connection between the captain and the uh, the the planet supervisor, um, I don't know, sherry. Sherry said that the supervisor is probably going to be a droid. She really feels that the supervisor might be a droid. I, I don't think I disagree with that I'm with her on that yeah, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1:Um, I think it would. I would like for it to come out that jod was one of the younglings that escaped anakin's slaughter. Um, I don't know if that's going to happen or not. Again, that might be jumping the shark a little bit, but of course, everything, everything in star wars, jumps the shark. The fact that darth vader is luke skywalker's father, that's that's. You're jumping jaws on that one. I mean it's just, but it's fine. But that's why we love star wars. It's corny like that. So i't do you guys think Jod will be in any way related to anything from the original trilogy or the prequels at all?
Speaker 2:No trash.
Speaker 1:You're saying no.
Speaker 2:I've heard stories and I saw a couple articles, but I didn't read too much into them Cause I kind of want to be surprised by it if it happens. Uh, but there was talk read too much into them because I kind of want to be surprised by it if it happens. But there was talk about the fact that Silvo, which is one of John's aliases, was a direct competitor with Han Ooh.
Speaker 3:That would be for some good comics. If it did, you know like you could do it animated or in comic form all right.
Speaker 1:So it's gonna be. It is gonna be a good ride. I'm looking forward to it and, uh, so we will meet back here next week to discuss episode eight. Episode 8, I'm getting excited.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:I love it alright so that's gonna do it.
Speaker 3:You guys have anything to say on the way out hey, can we give a shout out to SM33 that punch when he just cold cocked Silva right in the mask right in the mind.
Speaker 1:he really did Like in Friday you got knocked the fuck out. That was he. Put him on his computer. That was beautiful.
Speaker 3:Can we all give it a left lean?
Speaker 1:Damn, go ahead, smee, you cool motherfucker. Nick Frost voicing Smee. I never would have put that together, because he does such a great job I love it.
Speaker 2:That would be a fun little twist. It's supervisor. You said it's a droid and it's like one of it's another Smee.
Speaker 1:That would be some shit, wouldn't it. Yeah, everything's up in the air at this point and this is another reason I love this show is that I some, some things you can kind of predict, some things are totally predictable. You're like that's gonna happen, this is gonna happen, that's that person, blah, blah, whatever. I got nothing. I mean I've got nothing, I just I don't know, it's.
Speaker 1:It's like game of thrones, but without the the death, dismemberment and incest. It's. You know, it's pretty cool. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know, we'll see what happens. Oh, and speaking of game of thrones, someone had posted something on reddit um, they made an intro for um, I thought it was prequel, but they, they made a mock intro based off of the house of cards intro, the tv show house of cards. I'm not aware. I'm aware of it. I've never seen it, but people in the comment comments were wondering if if a a Game of Thrones-style political intrigue sort of Star Wars show would work or not. And I don't know. It would have to be on HBO, it would have to be, you know, pretty hardcore, but you'd have to have some other shit going on. But I mean, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:We can talk about that. Yeah, isn't that the Clone Wars? I mean, I don't know, I don't know we can talk about that. Yeah, isn't that the Clone Wars? I mean, am I missing?
Speaker 3:something In a way, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is, but again without there's death and dismemberment. For sure, in the Clone Wars it's not a whole lot of incest. So if that's what you want your political intrigue, I guess you know back over to Game of Thrones with you, but we'll see what happens. All right. So, speaking of the Clone Wars, if you are listening to our other podcast, star Wars Safe Space, we're going to be starting our very next season and we're going to be going into season four of the Clone Wars where things do start taking a turn and it does start getting a little bit heavy and not not heavy. Crash in the group chat, not heavy. Rip to heavy.
Speaker 1:Our clone brother all right, all right, fellas, we will. Uh, we will see y'all see you on the flip side all right, thanks for joining us, star warriors, and we will see you all. See you on the flip side. All right, thanks for joining us, star Warriors, and we will see you next week. Bye, bye, bye, thank you.
