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Skeleton Crew: Review-The Skeleton Crew Finale!
The Skeleton Crew finale exceeds expectations by resolving character arcs while simultaneously posing new questions about the galaxy's future. With Jod's complexity and the revelation of At Atin's potential, the rich storytelling invites viewers to reflect on the possibilities ahead.
• Final thoughts on Skeleton Crew
• Exploration of Jod's character
• Introduction of prominent themes in Episode
• Impact of wealth from Ad Aten on The New Republic
• Future possibilities and speculation
• Kids' heroism and character evolution
• Discussion of cameo expectations
• Overall significance of Skeleton Crew in the Star Wars franchise
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Hey, welcome back Star Warriors to another Skeleton Crew review. Sigh, all right, let's do introductions first and then we're going to dive right in, all right? So from my left, you're right, Star of stage and screen. Oh no, that's Sherry's. That's Sherry's intro From parts unknown. It is tea to the Oni.
Speaker 1:Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 2:And pilot of the infamous Parma Flyer is Crash.
Speaker 3:Hey everybody, s-foil's locked, Ready to go. Let's do this.
Speaker 2:There we go, there we go, and I am Tommy D, so I'm just going to say it right now before we, like, really, really dive in, because there's so much to unpack with this episode. The last episode, final episode of uh, skeleton crew. It is by far, without question, my favorite star wars tv show, like bar none that's a big, that's a high bar and I kind of agree. I mean there's some good shows. I mean I like the mandalorian, I love rebels, I love clone wars, but man skeleton crew just nailed it, just nailed it.
Speaker 2:All right, so now? So, now that the show's wrapped thoughts, tony, tell us what are your final thoughts here on Skeleton Crew.
Speaker 1:I mean this was just really well done and I like the fact that, yes, I didn't technically show Jod dying or anything, so in theory the character could still exist if they decided that they wanted to try for a second season or do something we're going to get to that, all in all, I really like the fact that, while it can be open-ended, I think it told a good story and completed that story.
Speaker 1:I'm okay if it doesn't have a second season. I'd be a little disappointed because, again, I think it's been great. But I do like the fact that they tied off all the loose ends that they needed to and told a full story without having to leave those cliffhangers or anything else.
Speaker 2:All right, that's fair Crash. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3:I think this is. I think this is one of the best written star wars shows. I know that's a term a lot of haters like to throw about bad writing this, bad writing that well, yeah, that's just an excuse. They hide it's an excuse to say, well, I didn't like it, so it must be bad, right?
Speaker 2:no, this is good writing, that's the excuse they use oh, there's, there's, there's, there's women and minorities in it. But you know what? I'm not a racist and I'm not sexist, so I'm just going to say it's bad writing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this had layers to it, this had depth to it and even the things that we were kind of like as we were going along with certain things. I couldn't wait On our private chat. I had to throw together a quick meme, because when Neil finds the turret that we kind of learned that the schools had, I was like, oh yeah, my diehard brain kicked in immediately and I was like now I have a turbo laser.
Speaker 2:Ho ho ho, I was thinking like, like for me. I was thinking like, um, like from Iron man when he was like when, when, uh, Tony Stark, he was like oh yeah, I can fly. I'm thinking for Neil. It's like oh yeah, I've got a turbo laser, yeah, and and just the whole thing.
Speaker 3:You know the, the chase and and and the dad getting involved and him sort of I don't want to say experiencing the excitement of, you know, dad got the parents got in on it and it was kind of you know it was. There was a lot of good acting, a good writing, good performance. It was just a really good star Wars show and, for all of the hate that past shows have gotten you know for, for for something that may be a standalone series yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how this is going to could tie into a Dave Filoni compilation movie Eventually. If it's not, I'm not upset because it was just good content.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So now are we? Are we disappointed that we didn't get any, uh, any other cameos from any other series? I know? Additionally, initially, myself included, there were predictions that you know because it's it's Filoni, it's our Lord and savior, he likes to have his cameos, he loves his characters. There were predictions that you know because it's it's feloni, it's our lord and savior, he likes to have his cameos, he loves his characters. I was thinking we would see some sort of clone, or you know, ahsoka's out there kicking it in the galaxy. Grogu din, they're all out there. But we didn't see anyone, except for the pirate whose name I always forget, but you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, no-nose guy, the Nikto, what is his name?
Speaker 3:Well, his species is a Nikto.
Speaker 2:He's a Nikto, yeah, but I can't remember.
Speaker 3:We'll drop that in post, no biggie.
Speaker 2:Keeper of the Holocron. Keeper of the Holocron. Keeper of the Holocron.
Speaker 1:I can't. I'm actually looking up something else at the moment here. The only other cameo that I could have thought of was if maybe one of the pilots that comes to the rescue at the end was Trapper Wolf or the other guy that we saw in Mandalorian.
Speaker 3:Carson Teva.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was expecting to see him as the kind of Agent Coulson of the Filoni-verse where he's tied into everything, and I would have liked to have seen it. And at the same time I'm kind of cool that they're developing new guys in these cockpit shots. It's like okay, there's more than just Wedge Antilles in the galaxy. You know, yeah, of course. So it's interesting that they're expanding the. You know, I'm still holding out hope for a Rogue Squadron like Patty Jenkins and Michael Stackpole don't fail me now but I'm still holding out hope for an X-Wing Rogue Squadron movie. And the more they develop some of these side characters, I'm like there's potential. You could do a Fighter Squadron movie and make it sell.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely Vane is the pirate's name, by the way. Okay, so so there's just so much to unpack, so we're okay with not having any cameos.
Speaker 3:Crossovers, cross-pollination, everybody's okay with that I think it would have been okay, like when the corvette showed up. I think there was a lot of implied like as soon as the x-wings and the b-wing and I'll get into that later and and as soon as that corvette pulled up that's to me the signature lay. A ship like senator organa might have led the mission and my brain immediately was kicking into you know the new republic. Yeah, just literally fell on a gold mine. You know they're. You know they're going to kind of do what jod wanted to do is basically, you just found this pile of money. Okay, how do you acclimate this culture, this planet of people who've been isolated for so long, into the modern galaxy? Right, and all of a sudden, the connections. You know Wim picking up that lightsaber. Uh, my sister and I were talking this morning on the drive to work going, oh God, please, you want them to almost like meet luke and and and and. Think what would be great if wim started training as a jedi and immediately with us, and then ben kills him.
Speaker 2:You know it's a double-edged lightsaber no, no, wim wim is going to be joining the new republic. He wants to be an x-wing pilot.
Speaker 2:The, the way well, yeah, I mean the way that he looked at those x-wings and that shot at the end of him looking up into the night sky the x-wings fly overhead, literally a whole galaxy of opportunity is ahead of him and the rest of the kids he that that boy is going to be an x-wing pilot. And how cool would it be if we, if we see whim again, jump in the future 10 ish years and we get that rogue squadron movie. You know like that, that era, like because we're still, we're still pre new order but we still got a long way to go to get to new order. So we still need X-wing pilots. You know between skeleton crew and you know the new order.
Speaker 3:I think Fern's running for president of at at. I think, yeah, this girl got the planet under. You know she's got. You know mom might be the administrator but like this girl knows what's up and with this new culture coming in, and then all the fern seems to be the most street savvy person on this planet I'm thinking fern is going to get into smuggling or I could see I could see her and kb getting a ship and totally going han solo, like a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:If anyone. Honestly, if anyone's gonna end up running at atten, it'll probably be neil. I could see neil being the supervisor literally neil nation, I like neil nation.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I mean he's. He's level-headed, he's cool, he's fair. You know he's compassionate, he's kind, but he's level-headed, he's cool, he's fair, he's compassionate, he's kind, but he's still be firm if he needs to. He's not afraid of pulling the trigger and he bathes regularly and he bathes often. That dude is in the tub, but you know what? You can't be mad at it. It because, after a long adventure through unknown territories in space be near-death experiences my dude needed a bath sometimes you just need a hot soak and he and I, I love that neil is in the biggest bathtub ever.
Speaker 2:It's like, just it's so, it's like the, it's like the, the tub in, uh, in the harry potter movie, uh, the, the goblet of fire where they had to open up the, the egg under the water, this gigantic like bathtub that can like comfortably hold like 30 people. And, uh, that's, that's neil. So I, I don't know that's, that's what I'm thinking. So, question, question, question. We're going to get to Jod in a second. Oh, my brain's all over the place because there's so much to talk about the B-Wings. The B-Wings strike how cool was that? We've only ever seen that in, I think, rebels.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, I was going to break your spoiler rule a little bit. It's fascinating because, again, we will see the prototype B-Wing as a beam blockade-busting starship later on when we watch Rebels, which is further back in the timeline. Sure, we've never actually seen a b-wing in combat. You know there's been a quarry art, but yeah, it was like not live action explosions behind it.
Speaker 3:Already I'm a big fan. I having a midlife crisis about the old x-wing computer game from the 90s where you flew B-Wings and those things were just heavy proton torpedo-laden monsters and I'm like wait a minute. When they introduced the beam weapon in Rebels I went, wait a minute. Okay, is this thing a mini Death Star tech or is this just a torpedo-launching super bomber? The fact that we've seen it in live action. Still, as you know, the prototype has evolved. You know that's the standard to be wing now is a beam firing starship. I was like where were those at exegol?
Speaker 2:yeah, things are badass yeah, it was so fun to watch them. So okay, so at atton, barrier's presumably destroyed at this point. I think that was the.
Speaker 3:I don't think you can turn it back. It's not like an electric fence you can't turn it off.
Speaker 2:I think we're done. I think we're done with the barrier. The ramifications for the planet now are immense. But I am curious about one thing they did say we talked about this last week a little bit um, they said there were over a thousand other vaults. I think they said on at addon, right, there were like over a thousand other vaults um 11, 38, 1138. Does that mean that there are a thousand other cities potentially? Is this the only city on Ad Aten? Do we know? We don't know. We don't know. I don't think we do.
Speaker 3:And that's an interesting. What do we think? I think it's you know, the planets, even like Ad Akron and Ad Kyoga Heights, and all those, the planets even at Akron and at Cuyahoga Heights, and all those they all seem to be built around a core suburban metropolis setting.
Speaker 3:I would not be surprised if the vaults are multiple vaults in that complex. We just saw one. There could be plenty of other vaults in the complex. They took Jod to one of them and his plan was to literally just have the people literally just unload the whole place as needed. I think it's all focused in that one area and that's why the woods and everything else are sort of off-limits. It's easy to control the population if they're all in one place.
Speaker 2:So that makes sense. That would simplify things. You only have. I'm sure that they're practicing population control as well, because everything was just precision fine-tuned. So everyone served a purpose, everybody served a purpose, everybody served a purpose. So, yeah, maybe that was the only other city, because Star Wars is fond of doing that. I have an entire planet, but there's only one city on it Except.
Speaker 1:Tatooine, tatooine. We've got Mos Eisley, mos Espa, we've been to a few different places on tatooine.
Speaker 2:Tatooine, we've got moss icely, moss espa. We've, you know, we've been to a few different places on tatooine. But, um, most other planets we're like, you know, the like naboo right, feed we don't hear. I mean, feed cannot be the only other city. It's the capital. We know that it's the capital of naboo, but feed can't be the only other city on the's the capital. We know that it's the capital of Naboo, but Feed can't be the only other city on the entire freaking planet.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the Lake Country has a few homes probably. Sure, there's the city underwater. But I think Star Wars all sci-fi sort of has this recurring trope of well, we visit a planet and where we land is the epicenter of the civilization. Nobody ever lands out in the boonies.
Speaker 2:Nothing else here. There's just this one spot and there's nothing else. So what are your thoughts? I'm curious, what are your thoughts on the future of At-At, on the future of at atten? What does this mean for the planet, in potentially, the galaxy at large, and I assume the new republic was well aware of at atten's presence or not? What do we think, tony? What do you think?
Speaker 1:um, I'm not sure. To be honest. I think that if they had been aware that there would be more things happening, I mean, I don't know, they left that very ambiguous and open-ended, and I think that's done on purpose, because you don't want to write yourself into a corner. I mean, as far as you know, like you know we talked about, you know, is this the only city on the planet? It's probably not just because, I mean, even if you have multiple vaults in one area, you can't possibly have that many in just one space, but there's no way that you've got only one place that can turn off the entire defense grid for the planet. So, and the fact that, you know, jod takes out the supervisor and like pretty much the entire planet as far as we can see, power goes out and all the droids stop working. So, even if there are other areas, this was definitely the central location, right, um, but I mean, that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1:Uh, as far as the new republic and their knowledge, yeah, it's very open-ended on that. Um, the fact that kim was able to get people there, that quickly tells me that they had to at least have an inkling. I mean, maybe they just knew. Hey, so long as the defense goods up, there's absolutely nothing we can do, so we're just not going to bother trying to do anything. But at least they were aware of it enough that once it came down they were able to be there within literally minutes.
Speaker 2:Right, and also I don't know if it's been said or if we know yet, but do we know where Atten is situated in the galaxy? You know what I mean it you know, the outer rim is the outer rim or mid-rim. I mean where, where is it in the galaxy? I don't know, I don't know and I don't know if that's I haven't seen an official updated map.
Speaker 3:Since the show started. There's been a lot of canon shifting and they had big maps that the RPG nerds worked out where each of the planets were. I haven't seen one that included Ad Aten, so it could be anywhere.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:According to a quick Google search, ad Aten is in the Qoili sector, relatively close to Dathomir, that's interesting.
Speaker 3:So okay, it's in a strategically known area and, dare I say, yeah, there's so many implications where you think, okay, going back to Ahsoka, thrawn's floating around now around Dathomir, we know, is that going to put, you know, a planet like this in contention?
Speaker 2:It could. Where did you find that?
Speaker 1:I just did a quick Google search on that and this is coming up with um, oh, let's see here. Uh, so this is coming from the timescom the timescom.
Speaker 2:okay, because I don't know if I've seen anything on the official wiki.
Speaker 1:So they're saying this was after episode 6 came out when they showed the coordinates. People, I guess, have figured out where those coordinates would be.
Speaker 2:I love nerds Right. I love nerds Right. I love nerds for doing that.
Speaker 3:I like how Kim was able to get. It. Takes me five minutes to read through my sister's text messages. Kim gets a text with the coordinates from KB and three seconds later she's like oh, I've already plotted a path, I've already called the X-Wings and gave them the right, and we got it.
Speaker 2:So that that we do learn more about the eight planets.
Speaker 3:The biggest thing, I think, is the impact on that possibly joining the New Republic. It's not official member yet. Even the Mandalorian.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this just makes me laugh a little bit.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're breaking up, tony, you're breaking up, tony, you're breaking up.
Speaker 1:Tony, your comms are being canned. Damn it. I hate when they do that.
Speaker 2:Tony.
Speaker 3:Still there.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, let me see what I can do on my end.
Speaker 2:Okay, All right, you're good You're coming in. Go ahead, let me see what I can do on my end. Okay, all right, you're good, you're coming in Go ahead.
Speaker 1:So according to Wikipedia, the sector for AATN is A113.
Speaker 2:Wait, say that again. The first part broke, so you said according to Wikipedia.
Speaker 1:According to Wikipedia, the sector that Atten is in is A113. Wasn't that Princess Cell, which is, of course, the Exar reference A what? A23. A113.
Speaker 2:Okay, a, what a a a?
Speaker 2:113 okay the Pixar reference. That's right. That's the. What is it? The office or the studio, I think something like that it was. I thought a yeah, that was. I think that the Pixar office or something like that, the studio or office or something like that, or the studio or building number or something like that. So, all right, well, that's pretty interesting. So now we've got a sector, so that's pretty cool, and it looks like there's some stuff in Star Wars Insider about it as well, but we can be back at another time, yeah, so Alright, I gotta stop doing this stuff. I can't do two things at once. I can't multitask. So great, great episode, as we know, the best Star Wars TV show of all time, ever, ever, except for the holiday special. Um, let's talk about john, let's talk about that individual. So we we learned that he has some childhood trauma, pretty severe childhood trauma, obviously, that he had force potential, was trained, presumably sometime after order 66, um, or during.
Speaker 2:Well, sometimes after 66 was issued. Um, we learned that he was trained a bit by a female jedi who was then murdered in front of him, which of course is going to give that that man a little bit of trauma. So, not a Jedi, for sensitive knows a couple of things. So we, we kind of thought that anyway, because he was, he was, he was using, you know, a Jedi nomenclature. Basically he was talking about things that usually only the Jedi talk about. So what happened to him? What do we think happened to him? He didn't die. He's just standing there in the supervisor's office. What's left of it? And do we presume he's going to be arrested? Uh, did he get away? What are your thoughts, tony?
Speaker 1:um, I mean honestly, I don't know. Uh, and again, this is one of the things where they left it very open-ended. So there's potential to do a second season if they want to. Um, right now, I'm perfectly content not knowing the answer to that.
Speaker 2:Okay um, that's fair crash. What about you?
Speaker 3:I the thing that struck me most about him. Hey, this is a very Jod centric episode. Yeah, um, they got the, they got the tragic backstory. Yeah, there were a lot of speculations about what you know. Was he a full trained jedi? Was he self-taught? A little both? Yeah, you know he learned some basic. I think he maybe practiced what little he knew and got you know and applied it to scamming people the way he does.
Speaker 3:Um, I did love that one scene, as the pirate ship is flying by the you know, burning and crashing by the window and you see him look at it and I just got a sense of he's already cooked up an escape plan where he's gonna lay. I think he's gonna lay low and, as you know, the new republic comes. Relief efforts, whatever you want to call it. His odds of slipping out increase the longer. You know. It's like the old adage you know, if you're, if you're running from the cops, walk, don't run, right, I think he's going to kind of hang. He doesn't have to walk down Main Street and be spotted because you know people did see him.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of confusion happening right now, yeah, but once ships start coming in and out New Republic people start coming in and out with relief efforts, it'd be real easy for him to pull a Cad Bane, swap uniforms with somebody and sneak out the back door. Yeah, yeah, and I think Wim knows that when they got in the elevator and he just looked at them, it was like there was that kind of recognition of, or just let him get away.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I thought, I thought maybe Wim was trying to save him. I thought Wim was reaching out to him. Maybe Wim thought that, you know, the tower was going to be destroyed or something, and he was even through everything, w when was potentially reaching out to jod to, to save him, maybe literally and figuratively, you know, save him physically. But then also, maybe you know, help him on his, uh, his redemption arc. You know, along those lines, maybe, I don't know, I don't know, I, I feel like he's just, I feel like he's just defeated.
Speaker 2:At this point, I, I, I was mulling it over. Is he gonna run, is he gonna try to? You know he's slippery, we know that. But I, I, at the same time, I we've seen multiple times he doesn't try to escape. That's never been his thing. You know he's. He was in the brig. You know when we first, you know, when we encounter him, you know, without his helmet and all that for the first time. You know he's in the brig. Um, when they were on at akron, he gave himself up very easily and just said you know what, just kill me. You know he was. You know, and even in the supervisor's tower he dropped his gun.
Speaker 3:You know he surrendered to Wim and Fern there was a moment where, even when he was threatening Wim's dad and everybody, you know, it kind of goes back to the Tack Renard layer where he could have just slipped the kid's throat in the challenge and took it over. He didn't want to. He didn't want to be the murderer, he didn't want to harm innocent people. Even when his crew was taking over the town, he told them don't hurt them unless you have to. Even if they were harmed, don't hurt them if you have to. I need these people to work for this gold mine I just found. So I think there was just this reluctance. I hate the anti-hero label on certain characters, but it was just. It's not that he's a bad guy, he's just a guy doing bad things. Nah, he's a bad guy, he's a bad guy.
Speaker 2:He's a bad guy. I don't think he's an anti-hero. I don't, yeah, I don't. I don't get anti-hero vibes from it. He's reluctant. He even said I don't want to kill anyone. I don't want to.
Speaker 2:I'm not giving them an out on that, but it's just. Yeah, I don't want to destroy the planet, I don't want to, you know, destroy this beautiful place. I just want my money, right, you know. And he'll do whatever it takes. He'll threaten, he'll lie, he'll cheat, he'll steal, he will potentially kill to get this money. But he doesn't. Just because he doesn't want to doesn't mean that he won't right. He sauced brutus, but who cares? Brutus had it coming yeah, at some point.
Speaker 1:At some point. If he didn't, brutus was going to kill him either way, so like that was completely understandable. So that was where. Where for me, the line was drawn was the you're. He's standing in one vault that has more money than he or anybody has ever seen. He knows there's a thousand other ones on this planet. Yep, if he just said, listen, load up my ship, load up the other ship and we're gone, okay, you know what? Maybe I can give him some partial credit for not being a bad guy.
Speaker 3:He tried making that deal.
Speaker 1:But when it's no, you're all going to stay here and you're, and we're just going to keep taking this Like, yeah, I'm going to rule.
Speaker 2:That's the yeah I'm going to rule the planet, you're all my slaves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the thing. Like personally me, I would rather die, I would rather be murdered than be a slave.
Speaker 2:He was willing to enslave the entire city. That ain't an anti-hero, that's a bad guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean he tried selling that to Fern's mom. You know he said you know, just, you know we'll take our share and be gone. We're all sitting here behind the screen going, no, you're not, you're going to take it. It was like when he made a partnership to take the kids home. We know you're going to flip on them.
Speaker 2:The second, you get the upper hand and the amount, the amount of credits that were in the Onyx cinder would have been enough to set him and his entire crew up for life. Oh yeah, just that amount, a fraction of what's in the vaults. But greed got the better of him. And childhood trauma. I mean, the dude's messed up. He's a complex character. I, I, I do like that. He's layered. That there is. He does have conflict, he does struggle with you know more of the uh, the violent nature of piracy. But he is a greedy, self-serving son of a bitch, no doubt about it. And there's. Could he have a redemption arc? I don't know. It's hard. It's kind of hard to walk away from slavery, but I mean, you know anakin was able to walk away from child murder, so I guess anything is possible in the galaxy.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean personally. I know what history says, and the remakes say that, oh well, he turned back to the good side and that was good enough for him to become a Force ghost, and so now we're considering him back as being Anakin. As far as I'm concerned, yeah, he did one good thing at the end, but he's still up. He's still a fucking bill.
Speaker 2:I don't care yeah, yeah, a hundred percent it's. I saw a meme a while ago where it shows, like you know, on the, on the top of the meme it shows, you know, it shows anakin and obi-wan and yoda, all the little force ghosts lined up, and then on the bottom it's like the younglings, but like in force ghosts, and they're like what is he doing here? Yeah, it's like, uh, yeah, you're not wrong, it's like you slaughtered, you murdered innocent children. However, they were armed. I will give them that those, the children, were armed um they had training but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:A weapon is a weapon. So he didn't murder unarmed children. He, uh, he defended himself against um, a young armed enemy, uh, insurgent group. Now Anakin's a child killer man. I don't care. I don't care what you say about it.
Speaker 3:Joking aside, I'd have to watch that scene again and zoom in on it. Are younglings in the town, unless they're doing actual saber training like the ones we saw with Yoda in Attack of the Clones? I'm not even sure younglings have their own, their own lightsaber, yet they might. You know so I don't think the kids. You know even the ones we see in the beginning of obi-wan. You know the order 66 flashback and kenobi. They're doing like tai chi style stuff, but they weren't packing lightsabers we don't.
Speaker 2:We don't know that they might always have their, their lightsabers on them. Maybe they know that they might always have their lightsabers on them. Maybe they're in their lunchbox and their coat closet. We don't know. But the force itself is a weapon. They're packing the force. Okay, they could have all those children, could have all used the force simultaneously to force choke poor Anakin, and he had no choice but to defend himself. Maybe he was like you know what? I have a change of heart, let's get you kids out of here. And they're like no, and they started to force choke annie and he just no, no, no, no, no. Anakin is a murdering, a child murdering bastard and he did not, did not deserve a redemption arc after you killed children, I don't care, that's a hot, that's my hot take. Whatever you threw, you threw an old man down a shaft, okay, great, you sacrificed yourself to save your kid, but you murdered everybody else's children.
Speaker 2:So there's there's that, and who knows, and who knows how many other you know kids he struck down during order 66. How many?
Speaker 1:how many?
Speaker 2:how many other younglings did they uncover? How many children were on?
Speaker 1:Alderaan Well, just think about that one we saw and kenobi where he was.
Speaker 3:He showed up on the scene and, like you know, he choked somebody in front of their their child, just to draw kenobi out. Yeah, he basically killed people just for as a demonstration. Yeah, yeah, he's, oh yeah, murdering bastard yeah, murder bastard is.
Speaker 2:Is Jod as bad as Vader? No, he didn't kill children. Was he willing to, though? Was he? He said he didn't want to. I mean he, and he really fought. He really fought. We saw that with Fern. To just yield, please just yield, like I don't want to do this. But just like I don't want to do this. But just because you don't want to do something, does that mean that you won't do something, would he? I mean, obviously there's all speculation after the fact now, but would he have sauced those kids or their parents?
Speaker 1:would he say he might have killed the parents. I don't think he would have killed the kids, because there was, like even in that last episode there was a point where Fern was running. He had his gun on him. He could have shot her and didn't he?
Speaker 2:did shoot at her and at first I thought her mom got him. I thought he was shooting at the mom.
Speaker 3:I didn't think he was shooting at her. He tackled her just as the the shot came in, so it might have been, you know, it might have been going for fern's head if she hadn't fallen down yeah, that's, that's the thing.
Speaker 2:Mom tackled fern and because fern was going for it, so I think he has the capacity to kill children. So no, that your, your anti-hero status is revoked. Uh, you know, I could have, I could have been cool with all the greed and wanting the gold and let's use the kids to get the goal and then we're out. You know, like like hondo. Hondo, in my opinion, is borderline, an anti-hero, borderline, borderline because he does. We do see him help out. You know anakin and ahsoka from time, and obi-wan from time to time. You know he, you know, but he's very self-serving. But, um, jod, jod is worse. Jod is so much worse than than honda on the alignment chart I think of.
Speaker 1:Hondo is chaotic, neutral and jod is just straight jod. Jod is probably neutral, evil like oh man, laws don't matter, but but all in all he's just bad yeah, yeah, I might even have to bump, bump, hondo up a little bit from john.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, I, I would give, I would give john lawful or not lawful, but uh, neutral evil, yeah, oh, geez, so anyway and and as the show progressed, you really saw, I want to say, an obsession, the obsession about the treasure.
Speaker 3:I mean he, you know, he knows the tack renard tale and how this guy, you know they think he plundered at it and that's where he was. You know, as the story went along, you could see Jod's mindset, just you know, it was all about the money and that's all he could think about. And the culmination was just great because you just saw this guy, he just wants that money.
Speaker 2:He wants that Scrooge McDuck money pit. He does and I get it. Like he said, when I was your age, I was living in a hole, trying to figure out how to survive, how to not starve. That was my worry, that was my concern. So you could see that when he called them sheltered, spoiled brats, he was very resentful and jealous of the life that they had versus the childhood that he had and the loss of this parental know, parental figure in this unknown jedi. So so, yeah, the guy had. The guy has a lot of, a lot of, a lot of childhood trauma, a lot of issues, so but I think he just wanted to better himself. But he was just so far gone, like you said, he was so obsessed with it that he couldn't see the forest for the trees anymore. He was just like, instead of just taking my fair share and then maybe even coming back from time to time, I mean he could have come back to top off. I mean they were buying the whole emissary thing.
Speaker 3:I mean he could have come back to top off. I mean they were buying the whole emissary thing. I said last week he could have made a fortune literally just upholding his end of the deal Bring the kids home, hey, a couple credits for my trouble, load up the ship, whatever and he could have bailed on his crew. You know, yeah, literally. Just you know he was so fixated on getting the barrier down to get his you know his second ship and like screw those guys, you don't, it was you with a, take a handful of credits and you don't need them anymore.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, they would they. They were quick to want to put his ass out the airlock, right, oh nah, you don't know them shit. But he wants, he wants that power. It's not just the money, he wants the power, he wants the prestige. You know, he wants all these things that he saw that he wasn't able to attain, you know, at that younger age. So that's just been driving him his entire life. So I gotta say.
Speaker 1:That's one of the things that I'm, you know, a little bit of a plot hole for me was that the whole idea was the Onyx Indica could get through because it was an ad-attent ship. Yeah, the other ship wasn't an ad-attent ship. They didn't disable the, they hadn't killed the field yet. How did it get through they?
Speaker 2:gave them the codes, they had the.
Speaker 3:Fern's mom. When he was threatening them, she said I'll give your ship access.
Speaker 1:How would she know how to do that if she didn't know how to get the kids home? What do you mean? The whole thing was the kids were out and they were like all we can do is send a message saying we hope you can get back. But they didn't give them codes to get back through the shield.
Speaker 2:Well, they might have done that once they were back in system, because they had no idea where the kids even were.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it kind of put out a blanket call across the galaxy you don't necessarily want to give. Oh, here's how you get in the key's under the mat by the back door.
Speaker 2:And it's possible. She might not have been able to without full access to the supervisor's chambers, and once he was knocked out and power restored, now maybe she's got the capabilities of doing that. I don't know. You're not wrong, though that is definitely a potential plot hole there.
Speaker 3:And wasn't it just great that for this planet that we were told has been cut off for so long? I love the supervisor. You know the planet being run by a droid was on a lot of people's mind, but I like the fact that even he knows about Order 66. Yeah, and that you know the last time they were contacted by the Republic was to say that know, jedi are the enemy. So, going back to your point from the, you know our other show, papa palpatine never even got his hands on this sweet cash right, but it managed to get word out about order 66. Don't trust the jedi. And the and the supervisor knew that. When this dude walked in, you know, claiming to be a Jedi For an artificial intelligence droid, he sort of drew that guy. Keep feeding him rope so he can hang himself in his own lie.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. I think Palpatine did know about Ad Aten and did have access to it. Because I don't know how else you fund the war on both fronts unless you've got access to it. Because I don't know how else you fund the war on both fronts unless you've got access to that kind of cash possible?
Speaker 2:yeah, that is possible, but they were exploiting so many worlds. I mean they were they were siphoning resources off and people were committing money. I mean especially on the separatist side yeah, banking plan more than anything?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, the banking clan was giving them buku bucks, but it's afterwards, that's. So was the last transmission from the republic about order 66? And? And if so, that does? That also calls to question, you know how? How long were they isolated, you know, because it it seems like they had been isolated for hundreds of years. But if this transmission about order 66 and the jedi being evil, if that got through, then they probably were receiving other transmissions. But then at that point, once that or once order 66 is broadcast, was it just radio silence for at atten and and the other, the other seven planets at that point, because the, the supervisor, didn't seem to know about the galactic civil war, or maybe it, maybe it does, I mean, but it just it didn't talk about it and it wasn't potentially aware of the current state of the galaxy with the new republic. So I mean when?
Speaker 3:so yeah, lots of questions still and an interesting thing going forward with this at att at and being in out in the galaxy, now I could see where the flaws in the new Republic.
Speaker 3:Like it was funny, the episode hadn't even finished yet and I'm already thinking, you know, like, uh, senator Ziono, you know, uh from Ahsoka, you know complaining about galactic inflation and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:You know you mentioned that this influx of just all this, all these Republic credits, which apparently are worth a lot, yeah, I can see some of the richer planets in the new Republic going ho, ho, ho, hold up, we're used to the top dog around here, people. Right, I was just dripping in money, but because, again, for somebody like a senator, or ghana, you know, leah would see this as a okay, we could fix a lot of problems, we could help a lot of people. I could see other senators maybe saying, look, yeah, but now my planet's going to lose influence and that's a flaw in the new republic that I feel is going to get exploited. Of course we see that in a later show. I kind of hope we see that something like that in a later show, like maybe the first order does get involved with these people yeah, that's one of the things that I'm really kind of looking forward to.
Speaker 1:The future is, even if we don't get a second season of this show, because this show takes place within the same time frame that we've that we keep going back to and again, I'm fine with that like this show could be the thing of okay, well, we didn't get that many easter eggs in this show from other stuff, but there could be fallout from this. That affects a lot of stuff we see going forward well, potentially see how that goes.
Speaker 2:Potentially, the the amount of credits on at atten could destabilize the entire galactic economy, because just a few, just a hand like wim's lunch money, I mean could buy you a ship, I mean basically, I mean there's just there's a lot of credits on at atten, so you know and who's, and, like you said, you know crash, you know how are the other senators and there's always, always political leanings, as we know in star wars. So I mean who knows how other sent, you know senators, other systems, how all this is going to work out. So I mean that's I'm hoping that we're going to get. Maybe, uh, I'd like to see a book about some of the heavier political, you know the galactic, geopolitical side of things. I don't know if I'd want to watch it, but I'd be happy reading something like that reading something like that, but it's type thing that that you know.
Speaker 1:Again, I don't think you can make a show out of it, but I could see it being referenced in other shows. Right, and if you want that deep dive, yeah, you need a book or something like that, yeah because either way, at attin's got a target on it right now.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, I mean there's a there's a whole galaxy of promise opened up to them, of course, and the citizens, because now the citizens have a choice. They don't have to stay there and mind the credits anymore, they don't have to be these accountants and they don't have to do this anymore. Now they can go out and they can explore and they can do what they want. They can follow their dreams, if they have any. And so what does that mean for the planet?
Speaker 3:so a lot of questions and, like you said, you've been saying, you know when, being the sort of the the eyes of the audience in this show, you know the one that's the kind of dreams of adventure and explain. I love how the show ended with literally verne telling well, I guess you don't have to take assessment anymore, you don't have to do your SATs. Remember those tests we used to take in high school where every few years, yeah, you don't have to do that anymore, man, you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 1:And then that moment.
Speaker 2:X-Wings and a Corvette are overhead and he's just looking and smiling out at the stars. That boy's going to be an x-wing pilot. I'm telling you, and I hope, I hope we see more of these kids, I hope that we get, we get another season or two, I hope it turns into, you know, the stranger, stranger things phenomenon, where it was supposed to be a one season thing and ends up being like what? Six, six seasons. These kids are in their 30s now. I mean it's like it's crazy. But, um, or even a jump ahead, I'm fine with you know, a jump ahead in the timeline. Get us closer to new order era, um, and we can see what direction the kids have taken and maybe there's a team up. You know that would be a fun show to watch.
Speaker 1:Yeah I will say it's. One of the things that I really, really appreciated about this, about this episode, was the fact that I mean, first off, you know these kids have got to be exhausted coming off this huge trip. You know they're reunited with their families and yet they're all still dedicated to the mission. They're all still like, the moment the chick goes south, the moment those pirates show up, they're all like all right, the mission. They're all still like. The moment the chick goes south, the moment those pirates show up, they're all like all right, we're going back to it. Like like, like. No, we're not going to let the parents try and figure it out. No, this is our problem, we're dealing with it.
Speaker 3:It was the. It was the speeder bike version of the ET kids yeah.
Speaker 1:That was just great.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the nostalgia of the ET kids chase and that was just great. Again, the nostalgia of okay, the kids are in, you know, the parents don't know what to do. We'll let the security droids. I love how William's dad's like oh, we'll let the security droids, you mean the droids that are shut down.
Speaker 2:Shut down, dad.
Speaker 1:Come on, think it through, dad, on top of that the fact that they made a point of and they established it throughout the series like Neil finding the cannon on top of the school, like that's a clear reference to his experience throughout this whole thing it made it worth the fact of okay, we saw that he did that by himself. He wasn't with the others when he found that. So when this happens now on his planet, he knows what to do and he accepts that role. So when this happens now on his planet, he knows what to do and he accepts that role, without question.
Speaker 3:He just says okay, this is what I'm doing, and KB befendered Kim, so when they needed to call for her, she literally told him if you ever need me call.
Speaker 2:And she did.
Speaker 3:He was on it.
Speaker 2:And she did.
Speaker 3:And fixed SM-33 enough to help her fly the ship, because she's the techie she knows I.
Speaker 2:You know, like william's dad, you know, you kids know how to fly this ship. Well, you get a little help. I love it. And we, we got to see all the kids grow a little bit more and it was, oh man, I. I just hope we get more. I hope we get more. Supposedly, allegedly I haven't looked into official numbers, but allegedly Skeleton Crew has the lowest viewership of any of the other Disney Star Wars shows, to include the Acolyte. Know if that's a hundred percent true or not? I think the acolyte got a bit of a boost in their their viewers because of all the hate and controversy that was surrounding it, so people were watching it to see. Um, we didn't get a lot of that with skeleton crew. So I think I think the the the audience size for skeleton crew. I feel like that's probably more indicative of what the numbers would normally be without being skewed by controversy.
Speaker 1:And it's also a holiday release Exactly that's where I was going to go is the fact that the timing of this release is not conducive to getting high ratings, because it's the holidays, people are out, people are doing things. You know it's. It's yeah, I mean, I mean ratings because it's the holidays, people are out, people are doing things.
Speaker 2:You know it's. It's, yeah, I mean, I mean, two episodes fell on what? Christmas eve and new year's eve, yeah, so we, I mean, I didn't even end up watching until after the fact. But all right, so great show, great series. Uh, john and dave, do it again. As executive producers, you had some great writers, great directors on here. I was so happy. I was so happy from start to finish. It was a hell of a ride and I really do hope we get more. I'm going to watch the entire, probably binge it again this weekend, just because and I looked forward to it every week I was looking forward to it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, same here. Yeah, we were doing our homework for these shows and I'd watch it when it first drops Tuesday, and then I'd catch myself in the morning going let's go through it one more time just to pick up anything. I might admit it's a fun. This is the thing about the Disney Plus shows. Even within the Star Wars universe, people complain because they're so short Half hour, 40 minutes, whatever as opposed to having to drag yourself out to a movie theater, find us a screen time. You know, you know yourself down for two and a half hours. This is easy binge watching and it's fun. I think you know the thing that really gets me about this show that if I was still on the hellscape known as twitter, I would be fighting on that hill saying you can hate Star Wars, I don't know why you bother staying if you hate it, but this is fun. Star Wars is supposed to be fun.
Speaker 2:That's it. This show was everything that Star Wars is supposed to be 100% action, adventure, fun, a little bit of politics here and there. Not a whole lot, but a little bit. There's a little bit bit of intrigue. It was just fun and I think this is I would, I would love. I haven't seen anything, I haven't really looked for it, but I would love to see what what lucas thinks of the series if he's watched it. I would love to get his thoughts on this. Maybe we'll have to have him on the show. We'll ask george, you're always welcome anytime.
Speaker 2:No, he knows, I mean he already I know he watches us and he listens to us, you know. But yeah, he's a busy guy, he's, you know, he's busy spending money you know it's the full-time job spending that money. But that's it all, right. Um, we're gonna wrap up. Does anyone have anything else before we? Uh, we wrap.
Speaker 1:Skeleton crew review, season one I mean I I can't imagine anybody's listening to this that hasn't seen it, but just in case there is anybody that, that's that description. Watch it. Yeah, just watch it that's fair uh, kathleen, dave, john, everybody involved.
Speaker 3:I feel like an award ceremony here. Um, thank you, this was good fun. Star wars and I think the fandom the the light side of the fandom. You know the fandoms, like the force, there's a light side and a dark side. I think the light side of the force got a win on this one.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and even even the dreaded fandom menace has been awful quiet about this one and I and I love not hearing from them. It's been great, all right, so so, yeah, that's going to do it. That's going to be a wrap for us guys. Thanks for joining me. Um and uh for everyone that took the time to watch us and listen to us on our various platforms. Thank you so much and we will be back with more. Skeleton Crew review for Season 2. Fingers crossed, maybe We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2:And if you're happy with what you're hearing here, check out our other show, star Wars, safe Space. You can just look that up at the SWS show on all platforms. That's our ongoing podcast where we discuss all Star Wars in chronological order, which means that eventually on that show we're going to be revisiting Skeleton Crew. So I'm looking forward to that. So we're starting season four of the Clone Wars. So if you're interested in the Clone Wars in any way, or if you've been curious about, maybe swarzy, curious about checking it out, listen to our new podcast, the new season of our podcast, which is going to drop in a couple days here Every Tuesday. It's supposed to Every Tuesday.
Speaker 2:I'm a little behind on my posting this week, but it happens. Darth Reel Life, I'm not the holidays, the holidays, you know what? And again, darth Reel Life gets in the way. Check us out on all social media spaces, at the sws show and uh, head on over to our website, circleofnerdscom. Uh, and uh, you can find out about some of our other shows. And uh, maybe pick up some merch as well if you're interested. So that is gonna do it. And uh, are we all done? That's it. It, that's a wrap. I think we're good. All right, all right, star warriors, you know, like we've we've been saying on the skeleton crew review here, be safe and don't get caught. So until next time, bye.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
