Star Wars: Safespace
"Star Wars: Safespace” is a positive force for long-time fans and the Swarsy curious. Free of gatekeeping, judgment, and negative Star Wars theories, we break down a different TV episode or film from the Star Wars franchise each week, in a relaxed, easily accessible atmosphere. This is your Star Wars safe space to learn more about a galaxy far, far away, with people who love Star Wars, even if they don’t always like it.
Star Wars: Safespace
Clone Wars Rewatch-Season 4: Episodes 4-6
We dive into Clone Wars Season 4 episodes featuring Gungans and droids while exploring deeper themes about citizenship and sentience in the Star Wars universe.
• The Gungan-focused "Shadow Warrior" episode portrays them as a capable military force rather than comic relief
• General Grievous is captured by just ten Gungans, showcasing their effectiveness against droids
• Jar Jar Binks impersonates the Gungan leader and shows surprising competence
• R2-D2 and C-3PO's standalone adventures in "Mercy Mission" and "Nomad Droids" were the least-watched episodes in the series
• These episodes raise interesting questions about droid sentience and whether artificial intelligence deserves rights
• The conversation explores how beings hierarchically classify others as "second-class citizens" even within oppressed groups
• Next week's live episode will cover the emotionally powerful Umbara arc
Join us next week for our live discussion of the Umbara arc! Watch episodes 7-10 of Season 4 and bring your tissues – it's going to be an emotional ride.
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That's all right. Star Trek is awesome and Captain Pike, god damn, he's a sexy, sexy motherfucker with a beard without a beard. Oh, anyway, let's do some Star Wars shit, shall we Coming up this week? Droids, gungans and clones being assholes. It's the Clone Wars season. Four episodes four, five and six right here on your Star Wars safe space, stick around. 6 right here on your Star Wars safe space, stick around. Speaking of bangers, that's a banger right? Yeah, the only one that feelsers that's a banger right. Yeah, it is. I'm not the only one that feels that way. That is a banger of an intro track. I absolutely love it, every single time.
Speaker 3:Four nerds on a Friday night just bobbing their heads with their webcam.
Speaker 1:That's it. What else is there? There's nothing else better in life.
Speaker 3:The new Pop Funko series coming out. These four Us Are we the new bobbleheads.
Speaker 4:The bobbleheads yeah.
Speaker 1:The only thing better in life is to hear the lamentation of the women, to drive your enemies before you and to hear the lamentation of the women, if you know, you know I got dark, but okay, no, I don't know what is best in life. No, no, conan man, conan the Barbarian, the Barbarian. What is best in life? No, no, conan man, conan the barbarian, the barbarian. Yeah, arnold the original, the talk show host. Hey, conan, what is best?
Speaker 4:in life. I mean, you never know, you never know what is best in life.
Speaker 1:And he says uh to uh, to crush your enemies, see them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of the women, like I'm not gonna even try to do his voice, but just think of a gigantic young Arnold in his prime and, and saying that he was a slave at the time to is sitting there chilling on a fucking map table tan oily skin tan oily skin, not a hair on his body not a hair, and I know I might be gay.
Speaker 1:I have a lot of male crushes. But crash, like you said, nurse chapel, smoking, smoking hot, smoking hot and rebecca romaine boy and for her to do a sci-fi show.
Speaker 2:That was a get, I mean. I mean, well, she was x-men too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's pretty sci-fi.
Speaker 1:Anyway, we're talking about star wars, but we need to do like a, like a. We need to do a circle of nerds show again where we just talk about everything. We need to get that shit going. We really really do anyway. So, howdy star warriors, let me read my script, because otherwise I'm gonna go off. Welcome to star wars, say space, you're not toxic, low sodium star wars show. That does make you feel bad for not knowing that.
Speaker 1:The 1985 droids animated series takes place between revenge of the sith and a new hope. So around 15 bby. So, whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little swarzy, curious, this is your star wars safe space. And uh, guys, gals and non-binary pals, boy, do we need a safe space these days, don't we? A lot of stuff going on in the world. That's why we escape into the realm of science, fantasy and hang out and play around in the Star Wars galaxy like we do. So we are the Circle of Nerds and we do, in fact, love Star Wars very, very much, even when we don't always like it. So let's meet the crew, shall we? I will attempt to push a button and uh, that's you. There we go nobody's. And there and there, that was you, so, uh, joining us. As always, our longtime cast member, technical difficulties, so we are very, very happy to have them back on the show. They are technical difficulties and Daddy Louie here are getting along splendidly.
Speaker 4:We're having a great time over here in Bostween. How's the weather out there? Bostween and Daddy Louie, hello children, it's cold. How's the weather there? Very Of Boston. We and Daddy Louie, hello children, it's cold. How's the weather there? Very fucking cold, so fucking cold.
Speaker 1:It's cold and it's snowy and it just sucks and it makes me want to know why we're not doing this show from literally anywhere south of where we are now. Can we do a show in the Bahamas? Can we do Circle of Nerds?
Speaker 4:Can, can we do circle of nerds on location?
Speaker 1:yeah, I like that on location circle of nerds crew.
Speaker 4:Cruise circle of nerds crew I would love to go on a group cruise, like I've been on cruises before. Like you know, I've I've gone with my wife and, yeah, and our kids. But I think, going as a group cruise, like I've been on cruises before, like you know, I've I've gone with my wife and yeah, and our kids, but I think going as a group of people together, oh yeah, I so fun. Seven days of zero responsibilities, zero like you don't have to take care of nothing and I've never been on a cruise.
Speaker 1:And do you have you? Have you been on many cruises? Have you been?
Speaker 4:on many cruises. I have been on three cruises.
Speaker 1:I would classify that as many, because I've been on zero cruises and they're fun. They seem boring to me.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think they're fun.
Speaker 1:That's the point.
Speaker 4:I mean, I'm an all-inclusive kind of person. I love places that are all-inclusive, where I don't have to worry about shit.
Speaker 1:And that's the cruise ships, oh yeah.
Speaker 4:You worry about nothing.
Speaker 1:You don't just sit and look at the water. Right, there's stuff to do on the ship.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there's, entertainment and they have activities and so many different places and things to eat and try, can you fish?
Speaker 1:No Like off the side of the boat, the ship, the vessel.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think that's allowed.
Speaker 1:That seems like a missed opportunity. I just feel like that's like you should do some deep sea fishing off the back of the boat, right.
Speaker 4:I think the boat moves too fast for that.
Speaker 1:Fish move pretty fucking fast.
Speaker 4:I don't know them cruise ships, they freaking go.
Speaker 1:Are they going? I've heard of some excursions.
Speaker 3:You go to some of those islands. They might have fishing. When you go to an island and you hang out for a day, you might do a little fishing and then go back to your big-ass boat.
Speaker 4:All right, so not to go totally off track here, I've got to tell you the craziest excursion story off of a cruise.
Speaker 4:So, like Crash just said, you go to these places and then you know, along the cruise route you stop at different places and then you get off the boat and you go and explore for the day, then you get back on the boat and go about your about your line Anyway. So I've been to many different places going on all these different cruises. One of the things that we decided to do on this place was known for swimming with pigs Swimming with pigs. So imagine for a moment, just because I was there.
Speaker 2:I don't appreciate the insult, sir.
Speaker 4:Okay, listen, just because I was there. I don't appreciate the insult, sir. Okay, all right, listen. Imagine, imagine, like you know they talk about like goat yoga, right doing yoga with goats.
Speaker 1:You know or you don't know, goat yoga. Come on, I don't know yoga. No, what the I don't?
Speaker 4:I don't know yoga, yoga, kitty cafes, cafes, you know, like no puppy.
Speaker 1:I must leave. Puppy playtime sounds like you could take that a couple of different ways.
Speaker 4:I don't know, but I think things that you would normally do without an animal that you do with an animal. That makes it fun and cute. Anyway, they advertise it as little pigletslets, you know, like who wouldn't want to go swimming with little piglets? Okay, so we do this thing, all right. We get to the water. They take everybody, we're all in our bathing suits and stuff in the ocean and they're like the ocean. Yes, yes, the ocean. We're an island, the ocean. Okay. So they had, they had all of us go like in the ocean, right.
Speaker 4:So we're all about, you know, shin to knee deep in ocean water, okay they're like basically release the pigs, bro, these were some big fucking pigs so not piglets, not little. You're with hogs like straight hogs and what do you think pigs do throughout the day other than eat? So now you're in the water and there's kids and stuff that are like waist deep in the water and mom starts screaming.
Speaker 1:And there's kids and stuff that are like waist deep in the water and mom starts screaming and I'm like Jake, you can't even breathe. You're waist deep in shitty pygmy ocean water.
Speaker 4:And there's, there's, you know, we're in a foreign country, obviously so there's one guy. So there's one guy who's, you know we're in a foreign country, obviously so. There's one guy who's, you know, like you know, taking people's pictures for tips. And then there's another guy who's, like you know, like, feeding the pigs and making sure that the pigs are paying attention so they can get the picture. And then there's a third guy, literally with a trash bin and a shovel.
Speaker 1:And then there's a third guy literally with a Trash bag and a shovel, and a shovel Out of the water so that it's not in people's hands, oh my god. So wait. You said you're in a foreign country. Are you like in Somalia, or what country? Where are you? Where they're swimming with Fucking pigs? I don't know. You said in Jamaica, mexico, mexico. They're swimming with fucking pigs. It's in Mexico, man, I don't know what to tell you. Is it in Jamaica, mexico, mexico, mexico?
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:I just feel like if I was a oh my God dude.
Speaker 4:I got out of that water, so fucking fast yeah, yeah. People and.
Speaker 4:And then you know, it's like a car accident. You don't want to look at it, but you can't look away. You just see these kids and their moms, like picking their kids up, screaming, and then you have this other family of Germans off to the side, like take our photo. You know like it's so? Like I'm just like what is happening right now. I'm expecting these little piglets to come up and like float on the water. There was turds the size of piglets floating on the water so okay, right away, that I dare you.
Speaker 1:So you, you paid in advance for this, I assume oh yeah, it was part of like a package deal.
Speaker 4:It was like it was. Was that lunch and then two hours on the other side of the island on an actual resort beach. This was very shady. It was this little cove with two dudes at the front. You know, slip me five bucks and I'll let you come in here, kind of thing.
Speaker 4:And we get there and they they when we, when you walk down this path, and when we first got there, they were like benches so that people could sit like kind of facing someone who was going to stand up and tell you you know what was going on. So we're all sitting there for like 20 minutes and there's no one that has come and said anything to us. And finally a person comes around and he's basically like all right, this is what's gonna happen. We're all gonna go out to the water, you're gonna stand there, we're gonna release the pigs, they're gonna come, we'll get their attention. Photo, photo, photo. Pet pig leave. Okay, no problem. Again, if you look at the advertisement, they're like little pigs, they're not giant pig, I mean you're not gonna get in the water with a wild boar who would do that?
Speaker 4:I'm? I'm saying, these were like hogs full-size hogs, I mean the biggest pigs you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 1:Like they were, like I mean they weren't cute, cute, oink, oink they were all I can think about is like the, the two dudes, because the way that you made the one dude sound, he's clearly either in a cartel or he's what is from prison, because these guys had to have sat around and be like man, what do we? What are we gonna do, man? We can't get jobs, let's, but we have these pigs, so let's, let's.
Speaker 1:And we know the pigs like the water and the pigs like the water, so we get to, we get to give the pigs a bath, and then we could sell this to tourists.
Speaker 4:That's exactly what it felt like when we left. We're like well, what just happened?
Speaker 1:Those guys are never there. Those guys are never there. They just happened to be there that day and they were like you know what?
Speaker 4:Hey, let's see if we can get these tourists to swim with us for money. Like when a person just walks out in the middle of the road and they're like pay me and I'll let you park in this parking spot. Yeah, that happens all the time over in Europe.
Speaker 1:Oh, actually, you know what?
Speaker 4:In touristy places.
Speaker 1:When we were in Boston, there were people.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, I remember that Selling their driveways, basically Give me 50 bucks in Salem and you could stay in my driveway.
Speaker 1:I didn't see any pigs, though.
Speaker 4:It paid way more than 50 bucks to swim with those pigs.
Speaker 2:So I just have one question. You said, lunch was included. Was there any sausage or bacon?
Speaker 1:I mean, the pigs were already salted from the water, right exactly?
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure we have cheeseburgers how do you aptitude test a pig?
Speaker 1:oh, look at your dog paddle I mean as long as they can swim, right yeah, it wasn't even like a local cuisine.
Speaker 4:It was like a cheeseburger and french fries, or like a slice of pizza which tasted like it came from a fifth grade cafeteria and you're trying to sell the cruise experience on us right now and you're not doing okay so yeah, do your research before you book excursions. Sometimes paying a little more money pays off. Don't go with what cheap stops.
Speaker 1:You get what you pay for, All right. So 2026, let's call it now 2026. We're going to go to Galaxy's Edge and then do a Disney cruise.
Speaker 4:Ooh.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I've never been on a cruise so if I'm going to do it, I might as well fucking go big or go home.
Speaker 4:A Disney cruise would be fun. Disney cruise I've heard good things.
Speaker 1:I have heard good things, and then we combine it with some galaxies edge time.
Speaker 3:Hopefully I will have a scouting report for you later this year on that. My family's actually talking about doing a Disney cruise. I haven't heard nothing about no pigs, women or anything crazy.
Speaker 4:Anybody ever tells you to do any kind of swimming with any farm animal. You say no, thank you.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I'll just put it out there None of us are in great shape People. We can charge people money to swim with us, and we're minor celebrities and we can cosplay as pigs. We can put pig costumes on and just go for it.
Speaker 3:I'm not sure I'd pay for that. I'm just saying Somebody would. Somebody would pay.
Speaker 1:With pig masks on. Someone's going to pay for that.
Speaker 3:This is getting dark fast.
Speaker 1:All right, let's continue on. Pilot of the Infamous. We're still doing intros. We're still doing the fucking intros.
Speaker 3:Pilot of the Infamous Harm 15 minutes and we're supposed to do the fucking intro. Pilot of the infamous harm of flyer. It's crash, hi folks. I don't know how to top that, so I'll just say I'm locked and ready to go.
Speaker 1:You can't follow that up like that's the show.
Speaker 3:That's a wrap game over man game over man and hailing from parts unknown.
Speaker 2:It is t to the oni aka jedi master ba loni welcome back to the galaxy everybody hope you're enjoying the show so far, I hope so too this is all we got, and I am tommy d, you're uh slightly obnoxious.
Speaker 1:Star wars know it all. So what are we doing here? Well, we're fucking off.
Speaker 1:That's what we're doing but our mission is to watch all of the canon star wars films and tv shows in chronological order, breaking them down, connecting the dots and learning more about star wars and maybe even a little bit about ourselves as we go. So word of warning to all you would-be star warriors there will be spoilers. Uh, the biggest spoiler this week is that these episodes sucked and they were just trash, and I'm really, really hoping that we've got somebody on the crew here to change my mind. So season four started out with war, underwater war, people getting fucking sauced, obliterated, and then there was droids and Jar Jar again. What a way to fumble a follow up with this little mini arc and then a standalone. So someone talk me down, because I love the Clone Wars and I love, I always tell people season four.
Speaker 1:Season four is the shit. Season four has got like, if I'm not mistaken, mistaken it's like 95 plus on rotten tomatoes. Not that rotten tomatoes means shit, to be honest, because it's like, you know, rotten tomato score based off of four reviews, like so. But for an animated series, um, and a star wars animated series to boot, to get that kind of rating, it's pretty good. So season four is, uh, highly regarded and season seven as well, but for the most part, season four is uh one of the best. However, uh, the first episode um episode three, right no four episode.
Speaker 3:Episode four shadow warrior.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was. I think I had a bunch of notes and they're all fucking gone. Um, that was like the lowest viewed episode in the series. Um, let me double check. I think I think it was. I think it was, uh, shadow war or no. I think it was no mercy mission. Mercy mission was the one. That's the one, let me see. Yeah, mercy mission was the least watched episode of the entire series, with only 1.35 million views. But 1.35 million views seems pretty fucking good. I wish we got 1.35 million views, but uh yeah, it was.
Speaker 1:Uh, it was like the the least, the least viewed, but we'll get to. We'll get to mercy mission and uh and nomad droids, but uh, first let's talk about shadow warrior.
Speaker 2:I, I guess all right, you know what I'm gonna start this off off, because I feel like you need a bit of positivity here. I do, please. I actually thought that this episode was interesting. I'm not going to go so far as to say it was good, but I will say it was interesting. In particular, coming off of the previous arc, I find it interesting that they are showing Gungans in a light, that they are showing Gungans in a In a light that they are a relevant species. Yeah, I mean, between you know them, you know their entire arc in in the last, in the last set of episodes, you know using them as an effective army, and then, and this up and then, in this episode, you know the separatists trying to turn the gungans against the nabooians. Uh, I mean, I think it was fascinating, especially because you know, when we see them in live action, they're almost treated as an afterthought and a joke. The entire species is true, and so I thought it was really interesting to see them actually have some relevance.
Speaker 1:But we got that in the last arc, though, and we got that with the underwater stuff. They saved the day.
Speaker 2:We did get that in the last arc, but I think it's important that it wasn't just a one-off. I mean it plays into the way the Separatists have realized hey, these guys are actually a useful species if you can get them on your side. So, like it directly plays into having seen how effective they could be in that last arc, why they would want to take them over and and influence them the way that they did here okay, fair.
Speaker 1:So let's let's break it down, because I, louis, you said you haven't seen these yet I have not, no, okay. So basically, what happens is there's this guy, there's another Gungan, he's working. His name is Rishi Lou, which I think is a reference to. It's a play on three musketeers, yeah, so and he even had like a bone in his nose to look like the mustache. So it was, it was. It was cute. Cheesy. Try to get the Gungans to attack feed and he's using a magic necklace to brainwash the, the new Gungan boss.
Speaker 2:Sounds terrible.
Speaker 1:Anakin and Padme are there for some reason because it just doesn't seem right that the Gungans would want to suddenly attack feed. And then come to find out, anakin realizes that it's an enchanted necklace that Rishi Lu is using because he's in league with Dooku. And then Grievous comes down to help support the Gungan army oh, grievous. And so we get to see Grievous be growling, I guess, and he kills a couple Gungans and then he gets captured by the gungans. And then they, and then, uh, dooku says, well, we've got a captured skywalker, and then we can trade skywalker for grievous. And that's exactly what happened. So they, they lured anakin into a trap. He, you know, he does all right, but he gets fucked up. It's, you know, four of those, uh, what is it? The omega droids?
Speaker 1:mega droids mega, mega manga manga manga magna magna, not the maga droids, those are.
Speaker 1:That's what's funny in the country right now. Are the maga droids? No, no, the mag uh, magna droids and dooku. So four of them plus dooku. You know anakin did what he could, but you know he ended up getting fucked up. So then they do the trade. And what is interesting about this is that still, although they were literally during the, the prisoner swap, they were literally inches away from each other and still anakin and grievous have not seen each other yet until in the live action that we see. You know, he's like oh, you're shorter than I imagine, so they're still really walking that fucking tightrope of maintaining continuity. Because anakin was unconscious and grievous was wearing some kind of like a shock helmet, so he wasn't able to look down and see Annika, but that's. And then you know. So it comes out that that Rishi Lu was the fucking asshole he gets sauced. And, yeah, jar Jar had to impersonate the new boss because he got stabbed.
Speaker 3:The new boss and Jar Jar have a very. They notice the new leader gets stabbed by rishalu and while they're in the hospital with him, they notice jar jar looks a lot like the you know the joke being people.
Speaker 1:You know humans think all gungans look the same and he says that jar jar said that he's like not all, not all gungans look alike. Yeah, I mean, he literally says that. So I, that was funny.
Speaker 3:And it was kind of funny.
Speaker 3:It is an interesting thing.
Speaker 3:I agree with Tony Of the three that we're talking about tonight, this was the best episode of the bunch in that if you look back at the Phantom Menace and the Naboo invasion and the Naboo invasion, that the, the separatists, were already trying to exploit, that relationship between the Naboo and the Gungans and and from within, you know, the idea that somebody would rally the Gungan warriors to attack their allies seems so far fetched If you were watching Phantom Menace. And then all of a sudden, in the middle of this war, Duke is like I'm going to stir this pot, I'm going to stir this pot, I'm going to stir this pot, I'm going to stir this pot, I'm going to stir this pot to his advantage. So as for a not so great, you know, a lot of times I like to say you know, filler episode is is, you know, prequel? Not this time. It's just a, it's just a one-off, but it's there. There are some interesting themes at play and one of his, the Gungans wanting to be treated as an equal partner on their own planet.
Speaker 1:Right and that's fair. And we do get to see Palpatine pulling strings, so he pops in for a brief cameo, you know, and he's like this is not good, I'm not happy, I'm not pleased this is unfortunate and you know Palpatine being Palpatine.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to say you know what For an episode featuring Jar Jar? For Jar Jar to be one of the more capable people in the episode and, quite frankly, more capable at what he was asked to do than Anakin was.
Speaker 1:Because he is the Sith Lord behind all of it, and this is just more proof of that, that he was able to pull this off.
Speaker 3:Come on who's really pulling the strings here and honestly, it's the thing, one of the things tommy likes to talk about. You know, we talk about anakin's love being his weakness and it's exploitable. We get to see the flip side of it. You know duke, who's literally giving pad made the. You know the impossible choice. You know give me my general or I'll kill your jedi, whether he knows they're a thing or not but who?
Speaker 1:but? Who turned him on to that? Who told him to do it?
Speaker 3:I don't know if he, I don't know if he knows explicitly about their relationship or he's just saying look, I kill your jedi friend, give me my general back. Well, but that's the thing they had vulnerability to padme had that chink in the armor too.
Speaker 1:Yes, and Palpatine knew it. That's why he told Dooku to make that happen, otherwise they wouldn't have even tried to capture Anakin. But Palpatine knows 100% because Jar Jar told him, because Jar Jar knows so Jar Jar told Darth Sidious, jar knows so, jar jar told darth sidious, and through darth sidious lord.
Speaker 2:Lord banks's orders are are being meted out. Yeah, I'm just gonna say yeah, like I mean the fact that a group of gungans took out grievous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it was like 10. It wasn't even like the whole gungan army, it was like 10 of these dudes 10 gungans, 10 gungans, against grief, however, but tony like yeah, it's uh, captain tarple.
Speaker 2:Captain tarple's a bad motherfucker, all right he made the sacrifice, did what he had to do and good job on him. You know, considering, you know what we saw, this we saw grief was doing the micro series to poor jedi shaggy and his group. For a small group of Gungans to take him out was kind of like damn.
Speaker 1:But to be fair, they know exactly how to take out droids. They're very, very good at taking out droids. They've got all the shock're little, the little boomers and things like that. And how about grievous? Like I really wish we would have gotten more grievous, because he just makes me laugh, because he is just the fucking shit talking, this motherfucker. I mean he's always laughing. I mean he's coughing and wheezing as well, but he's always laughing, always having a good time. And when he fucking he sticks it to captain tarple. You know, he's like how? Always having a good time.
Speaker 1:And when he fucking he sticks it to Captain Tarple. He's like how does it feel to die? Laughing his ass off, and he doesn't care. And of course Tarple is like this is not dying, this is sacrifice. And then he got him. It was Tarple who saved the day. Tarple fucked him up and gave that opening to the rest of the Gungans and even during the prisoner exchange, grievous, laughing his ass off. He is such a fucking troll. I wish we could have gotten more. I really do. There needs to be, there needs to be a star wars series just about grievous. They need I I mean the tales of grievous. I want to see that I want to see the entire story of grievous and I just, I just want to see him being a fucking badass and and just being a dick like all the time. But anyway.
Speaker 1:Tales of the droids tales of the droids, louis, do you? I know you didn't see the episode, but do you have any thoughts on any of these themes here with you know, with the gungans, you know, maybe being treated as you know, second class citizens, and I mean I, I can totally see how.
Speaker 4:You know that's. That is a theme for the gungan race, as you know, they're all the same. You know they're all unintelligent. Um, they're intelligent but, I don't, but I don't, but I but I feel like they're not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess they're just not taken seriously they're not taking seriously, I think because of the way that they are. I mean they build. I mean they build, they have, they're high tech.
Speaker 4:I mean they're you know sure, I just think that they're not, because they're such a secluded race to living underground and they're good, or living underwater, you know, they're not necessarily uh, you know in line all the time they're not you know. So yeah, seeing them being a capable and a more relevant race than they're normally portrayed as is nice to see.
Speaker 1:Would you want to see more? Would you want to see it like a Tales of Gungan, of the Gungan?
Speaker 4:show as long as Jar Jar is not in it.
Speaker 1:But Jar Jar would have to be in it. You can't have a Gungan show without Jar Jar, you just can't. What about Young Jar Jar would have to be in it. You can't have a Duncan show without Jar Jar, you just can't. What about Young Jar Jar Adventures? What about that? What about a Young Jar Jar Adventures TV series, animated of course, where we get to see him growing up and then we get to see him being approached by Darth Plagueis to do his training as a Sith Lord?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I also want to see Keller and Betty. I'm at best. You know Keller and Beck's character supposedly has a tie to a friend.
Speaker 3:You know we see in that backstory clip where you're saving Groga that he has some ties with Naboo. Yeah, that backstory clip where you're saving Grogu that he has some ties with Naboo. I'd almost love to see Ahmed Best playing his live action self as a Jedi on Naboo meeting the Gunga. It would just be like a full circle beautiful moment that you could do in a one-off episode of a series or something.
Speaker 1:I think that's genius, I'm here for that. She works what. I think that's genius, I I would.
Speaker 2:I'm here for that, I I what I think they need, is it not? Not a tales of the Gungans, but like they could do a just a generic anthology series, tales from the galaxy, and so it doesn't have to be all be tied into one thing. But I would like to see an episode of you know explaining, you know explaining, you know, like young jar jar says you know, hey, you know, I was clumsy, that's how I got kicked out. You can give me an episode just telling me that story. I think that'd be fun. Okay, like it doesn't need more than 15 minutes, but it'd be fun to see it yeah, you know, isn't there already a show that like an anthology star war show.
Speaker 4:They could totally slip something into that?
Speaker 1:what was it called?
Speaker 4:well, there's, there's books there's a book, there was a show that's what tales of the visions, visions, visions that's what it's not.
Speaker 3:It's not canon, but it wouldn't need to be canon.
Speaker 4:I don't think that, tony. I think it would just be a fun story. You know, what does a random creator from Star Wars think could have happened? You know? Because I think that's really what Visions is. It's you know movies films, or Disney going to Tommy D and saying, hey, make me a Star Wars story.
Speaker 2:Star Wars version of.
Speaker 1:What If they don't want Tommy D to make a Star Wars story? It'd be. Mandalorianorian everywhere just mandalorian, mandalorian, with cities.
Speaker 2:I mean it's just. I think that would be a very popular show.
Speaker 1:I'd be good to see it that's the best of it brands and swimming puffer pigs mando mandos and mammaries that's what it's called.
Speaker 1:Um, I like I would. I love the vision series. I think. I think they're very, very cool. I think, like I I, tony man, you're on to something I would love to. All the shit that that jar jar told obi-wan and qui-gon about that got him banished. I would love to see that. I feel like that happened in a day. I feel like all of that happened in one day for jar jar. I don't think it was like over a period of time, I feel like I think, yeah, yeah, he just had a bad day and I want to know what, what the head liver is.
Speaker 1:Because he says he, you know, he crashed the boss's head liver or something like I don't know that's, but I just I want to know why. I don't know why. I want to know what it was. And you know you're banished because you're clumsy. I want to know. Yes, yes, so it's more than just being clumsy. That motherfucker fucked up or he was banished because somebody found out. Somebody found a red kyber crystal in his little hut somewhere and they went to and uh it's about the mine.
Speaker 3:He's holding it for a friend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm holding it for a friend, sure, sure, sure, I don't know. I think that would be fun and I haven't. I got him for christmas. But the uh, the um, the certain point of view books there's one for each of the original. I haven't read them yet, but I've there's. I I've read a couple of stories online, but I haven't read the books yet, and they're very cool and they're all canon too, so it's, it's really cool. I'm I'm really looking forward to diving into it. I need to put it in the bathroom so I actually read it. Okay, so moving on, mercy mission. So louis for this one.
Speaker 4:R2 I kind of read like a little synopsis of it before the show and I was like it's star wars meets the legend of zelda.
Speaker 1:If if people weren't picking up on the zelda vibes if they're and I didn't find anything that said that it was inspired by anything legend of zelda related.
Speaker 4:But come the that was just the feet, that was just the feeling, that was the vibe bro, when, uh, when they meet um, there's this being called orphany?
Speaker 1:when they meet, orphany it is. It is straight up like reading or meeting one of the life fairies from zelda, you know, or or what are the, I can't remember. What are the water? What's the water species that link encounters?
Speaker 3:I never played at all.
Speaker 1:Oh my god I love zelda, but I can't remember camera anyway, the water species, that's probably not something that that the keeper of the holocron would would have on file. That's probably not in the holocron. I can look it up, but uh, thank you, but she so, she gives, she gives r2 and 3po, this, uh, this riddle, and uh, so, louis, we, you know, since you didn't watch here's, here's the riddle, and let me know if you can figure it out. All right, all right, you can walk, but you cannot.
Speaker 1:you can run it out, All right. All right, you can walk, but you cannot. You can run, but you cannot walk. You have a mouth but cannot talk. You have a head, but never weep. You have a bed, but never sleep. Ask yourself who are you.
Speaker 4:One more time.
Speaker 1:All right, you can run, but you cannot walk. You have a mouth but cannot talk. You have a head but never weep. You have a bed but never sleep. Who are you?
Speaker 4:I have no fucking clue what are you?
Speaker 1:what are you more specifically? A droid? No, what is something that runs but doesn't walk, runs but doesn't walk, runs but doesn't walk. I don't know Something that runs, it runs.
Speaker 4:Oh, like a piece of machinery or something.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 4:Oh, water yeah.
Speaker 1:See, there you go, there you go. Do I have a? Uh, I don't have, do it.
Speaker 4:no, I don't have there we go, there we go okay, so water.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that was, that was the whole thing. So they had to figure that out. So you know, a river runs, river has a mouth and the head of a river, whatever, okay, so r2 figured out that it was water and it was just a whole thing with these little creatures on a plant, but it was just, it was just bad. And then um plow and commander wolf were there, so the whole wolf pack was there and they were being such assholes you want to talk about second class citizens they were being, they were shitting on 3po, so bad and the locals and the locals. They really were being shitty to the locals, like when they were flying in and that's not cool and and they're flying in and and the little guy, I think rex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the little guy was flying on some other creature and I think it was, I think it was wolf, and he was like, oh or no, it was one of the other clones. He was like, oh, it's going to be that kind of planet and I was like you guys are dicks you know these little little martian looking alien people with like they don't speak basic and it's?
Speaker 3:yeah, that's why 3po is along for the ride. Yeah, this is another one of those rant like we used to say about soka and season one, like why is she off without her master on a mission? Why is padme sending her droid off on a mission without her?
Speaker 1:it just didn't make sense. Like I get c3po, r2d2 but like why, yeah, why would? And when padme and anakin were on naboo in the last episode, 3po and r2 were nowhere to be found, I guess because they were out hanging out with plows bros doing some shit out there in the galaxy. But it just, it just didn't make sense. It was just a series of weird like zelda and then like gulliver's travels in, in, uh yeah, and a little bit wizard of oz, with the droids pretending yeah, 100 wizard of oz.
Speaker 3:So it's like Oz with the droids pretending.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%, wizard of Oz.
Speaker 3:So it's like I honestly think these two episodes were because of the big. We were saying in an earlier episode how this season's becoming a group of mini-arcs. I honestly think Anthony Daniels just said look, I'm under contract, I need a script or two that's centered around me. Make it about Not to get too deep into it, but I've met Anthony Daniels enough times to know the boy likes being centered around attention.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I was just thinking about.
Speaker 3:Anakin and Padme and the clone, and I could just see Anthony going. Look, I need an episode or two, or if I'm going to be on this show, Like Anthony Daniels is cool, but that dude is a diva.
Speaker 1:He's like William Shatner level diva.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:And it's like I mean yes, you are C-3PO, you've been in every single movie, you're on the animated, you are always the voice.
Speaker 3:And there's a certain level of respect for that. I appreciate where that's coming from. But then there's that like is this, you know, is this episode necessary watching? Are these episodes, these two episodes, necessary watching for somebody coming into the, you know, clone wars?
Speaker 1:no, I think that this is maybe the first time that I will say that I feel like there's always some kind of a connection, some way to to tie it in. And if, if, if my memory was wiped of these two episodes, I'm here and you're not missing out on anything I was re-watching it to do doing the homework for this, this show, and I literally was dozing off.
Speaker 3:I mean, I had my laptop in my lap, I'm just sitting there, the eyes are getting heavy and I was like God, man, you are forcing yourself to watch.
Speaker 1:Star Wars Same, louis, you didn't watch these episodes this week.
Speaker 4:Basically, I am the winner.
Speaker 1:You are the winner, louis wins the Star Wars Safe Space show this week. Well done, sir.
Speaker 2:Y'all know me, I tend to be, I tend to be mr positivity here, yeah, like there, but there's a couple of positive things I can say. Like I did find it interesting on the first episode where you have this planet, that that you know the air down below is toxic to the people above but the air that that you know the air down below is toxic to the people above but the air above is toxic to the people down below. Yes, so like that dynamic is kind of interesting. And in the next episode, just okay, so we're seeing a couple of you know another different planet and another. You know different species and things. Okay, I guess that's that. That's something. Um, you know, when they got picked up by pirates, I had a moment where I was hoping to see hondo but that didn't happen. Um, yeah, there's really just not much I can say positive about these episodes. If I was eight.
Speaker 1:Honestly, if I was eight years old, these would have been the shit, because they get blown out into space. I mean, they, they go on. They have a very fun adventure for droids, but you know it's set up, you know three people talking to padme like I hope this never happens again. I'm just on my way back to coruscant. I don't like these, all these adventures, blah, blah, blah. And of course that's just just really just unadulterated foreshadowing. Now the second that he says that it's like when you watch a war movie. You're like, you know the guy's like, yeah, man, I've only got three days. And a wake up, no, he's dead, he's gonna die. I just found out my wife had a baby up. He's dead, that motherfucker, that he's sauce. So it's like, yeah, if I was eight years old I think this would have been. This would have been a great episode. It was super fun for the droids to see and 3PO's always just kind of.
Speaker 3:And even working with Commander Wolf was sort of bookended on either side, just so they had a justification for I remember when I first watched this episode I was like, okay, you're doing this, how are the droids going to get? Are they going to fly a Y-Wing back to Coruscant? Oh, they're going to run into Plo and the guy's on a separatist ship and he's going to remember oh, that's the annoying gold droid from the last mission.
Speaker 1:Right, but they literally do fly a Y-Wing to try to get home. I mean, that's like legit, they really do. And R2's a bad fucking pilot.
Speaker 2:R2's a bad motherfucker Speaking of there. There is one thing that this that this episode brought to mind for me, and now now I'm glad that you mentioned this Like R2 not only could fly the thing, he could also man the guns by himself. Yes, so why not? Why the hell did that not happen other?
Speaker 1:times. Well, also, I think it's because he's one of those rare cases um where he doesn't get the mind wipes. So I think that because of his, his experience, right I mean, yeah, I feel like like any. Any droid can pilot, but we've never seen any droid pilot like r2 does, but I think that's because he just never gets wiped.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe I don't know so so, louis again, because you are the winner and you didn't. You didn't see the episodes. I still want to bring you in on this and you know, sure question for you. So these these two episodes do kind of like bring up interesting questions about how we view other races and species. And you know, um, at one point c-3po murders a ruler using r2 as the weapon. Um, he, it's when they were with the, the, the lilliputian type of species, and he pushes r2d2 over on accident and he falls on the big huzzah or whatever the guy's name is.
Speaker 1:But when we're talking about second-class citizens, so clones are seen as second-class citizens. We know this, we've experienced this throughout they're basically thought of the same as droids, yet they treat droids as second-class citizens. So do you think that droids in in this context? Anyway, you know, because they are. You know the way that that C3PO explains it. Cause he has to explain it to one of these other aliens is that you know, droids are essentially machines with, you know, ai intelligence, right, with artificial intelligence. So Do you think that it's justified to have droids viewed as second-class citizens or as not citizens at all, just as just tools to be used by living sentient beings, despite them being sentient themselves?
Speaker 4:themselves. You know the the problem is when you view droids, um, you know the word droid. The classification of droid is very uh, is a very blanket term, sure, and so I think that it depends on the droid's function. I think that it, I just don't think that there can be a blanket decision, I guess of should all droids be thought of as a lesser species because they are a droid and not actually a species? They're like you said, they're sentient beings.
Speaker 1:I think it depends, obviously, a droid that has evolved and learned, like R2, 3po, what protocol droids, droids that can speak, but a lot of them can, a lot of them, that's a tough yeah because you've got loader droids, like I think we did see we did see that in in one of these episodes as well like we saw that one loader droid in I think it was the phantom menace. That's the first time we see it. And then we see him again in this episode, like fighting, like the droid fights. But you know they, some droids are just programmed to do stuff, you know, like the Treadwell droids. Do they? Do they have a personality? Are they sentient? Do they? Are they aware of their surroundings? Do they have self-preservation?
Speaker 1:Gonk droids we see a gonk droid being tortured in Jabba's Palace but then supposedly it was programmed to feel pain so it could be tortured, which is really fucked up. I need to double check, I need to fact check that. But I believe I read somewhere that the gonk droid that we see in Jabba's Palace was specifically programmed to feel pain or to simulate experience pain in some way, just so it could be tortured and then locked. I mean that is so fucked. But then we've got, you know, three pos. We've got, you know, the r2s. You know, like we see r5. R5 has been kicking it since episode four. We see him in the mandalorian and he's you know mouse living his best life his best, best life.
Speaker 1:Mouse droids mouse droids, clearly we don't know if they have personality, but they clearly have a sense of self-preservation. You know, they see chewbacca and they fucking take off. They're like nope, you know. So it's like. You know, some droids are just empty vessels, that are that are just machines. They're just, they're just doing a job, you know. But we see a battle droid in in skeleton crew and I felt for that battle droid, like louis. I don't want to spoil it, but please watch it. It's such a good scene, you, we, we get to see a clone wars era battle droid in skeleton crew and it's such a cool scene. But those droids, those battle droids, as stupid as they were, each one of them had kind of like an individual personality. You know, some of them were brave, some of them were brave, some of them were not. Some of them were fucking ready to go, some of them were like I don't care you know, it's like so.
Speaker 1:It's like, yeah, it's. It's a tough question. It is definitely an ethical conundrum like should droids, should droids have I guess you know rights? Should they be thought of as citizens?
Speaker 3:Have you guys watched solo or talked about solo yet?
Speaker 1:We haven't gotten there yet. No, okay.
Speaker 3:There's a droid in that movie where that's very proactive about the rights of droids.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's, it's a very. It's a minor character in the movie, but it's a very interesting question to kind of ponder onto the side. And and she, her character, was a great example of a joy that's very proactive. Proactive about we're not just tools, we're not just here to serve our human overlords.
Speaker 1:Right, well, I mean, I mean, lando, was you know, so it's, was you know, so it's you know, and that actually it's got me curious, like you know, because I have our our list of what we're watching when, like, but we, I mean we still have a little while before we hit solo. I think solo, I mean that doesn't happen until after the Clone Wars anyway. So, right, yeah, not until the rise of the empire we're gonna get into solo, but uh, yeah, we've still got, uh, I don't know, a few months before we hit solo, which is a great movie I really enjoyed it and another great movie on this question.
Speaker 3:Uh, ai remember that uh movie from the oh yeah, early 2000s or something, yeah big about. You know what is, you know what is life, what is real? You know, there's a whole scene where you know robots are being tortured for entertainment and right, yeah, you just had that moment of cringe like would we really do that? And then nowadays it's like, yeah, we would.
Speaker 1:Sadly we would we kind of would, you're right.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, and are? I mean, I know that. I know droids like c3p on r2d2, I know that it is. I know that it's artificial intelligence, but only so much in that it was programmed into them, but they do learn. So at what point does artificial intelligence become just intelligence? I mean, as they're learning and growing? I mean, is it? I mean, why is it artificial at that point? Because it was made by a, by a flesh creature, and then installed into? And does that mean for us, like, at some point, if we're able to upload our consciousness into, you know, robotic bodies, I mean, do we cease to? I mean, do we cease to be human at that point? I mean, the things that make us human, once we're loaded up, you know, uploaded into a robot or a droid body, you know, are we?
Speaker 4:It depends, do you? It depends on if you still have, have a consciousness. If you've lost your consciousness, then, like, do you know what I'm saying? Like you know? I mean, it's like it's literally, like you know, we see this Are you? Are you conscious? Are you are you aware?
Speaker 1:and that's that you are are in the machine now right. So I am, I am, I, I've. I've reached the end of my physical life and technology has gone to the point where I can transfer my consciousness and the sum of all of my knowledge into a machine body. Can I?
Speaker 4:still like so I can still have feelings, I can still experience pain, I can still I don't know that, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Maybe Maybe, but what if you're like just straight up a droid? I mean you might have, you know. But now I mean with technology, with prosthetics you wouldn't.
Speaker 4:I mean the pain thing is less yeah.
Speaker 1:No, but we're seeing. We're seeing sensation. Now there's the VA is doing it. The VA is is there. They've been researching um sensation for feet and hands, so people with prosthetics are going to start being able to feel, or have an approximation of feeling, um under their feet and and at their fingertips. It's very, very cool you know, because it really it's legitimately.
Speaker 4:It's just electrical signals being interpreted by the brain I mean, and you see it in star wars, you see it with Luke, when they were repairing his hand and they poked him Right. Right, you saw that.
Speaker 1:Vader is more machine now than man, but he's still in there, but he's still. He's still, you know, he's still.
Speaker 2:I mean let's let's go back to Grievous, who is 95% droid, but head, head and heart and cough and everything else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's it head and heart and lungs, you know. But he, he doesn't have much left. But so would that be. I mean, would you still need to have like organic components to be still considered?
Speaker 2:Well you know, I mean I know we're changing universes here, but if you go back, if you go into Marvel University and look at Arnim Zola- Vision. Yeah, we're like you know he had a human body but it died. But they uploaded his consciousness into all those computers.
Speaker 1:Well, and we, you know computers.
Speaker 2:He very much assisted. He was still alive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we see it in Star Trek as well. We see it with data Data. They did episodes. There was a very good episode with data in Next Gen where he was on trial for his quote unquote humanity. He was on trial for his quote-unquote humanity. And then in the Picard series spoilers. But Picard dies and they upload his consciousness into an android body. Basically it's data-level technology and they just upload Picard's consciousness into that. So that's not the real Picard anymore, but it's still the upload Picard's consciousness into that. So that's not the real Picard anymore, but it's still the real Picard, and so, even though he's in a droid body, he still has all the rights and privileges that the regular Sean Luke would have.
Speaker 2:This is a classic story in science fiction, I mean, you know, because it goes back to Blade Runner and even before then. Oh, that's right, yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, even the original Star Trek series did the eye mud where you know he was creating models of very hot women, but they had personalities and they had, you know, they could transfer to a human, into a robot, like the hero is talking about doing, and that raises all kinds of questions about, well, what is real person?
Speaker 1:Well, westworldworld like the original. I I didn't finish watching the westworld series, but in the original westworld movie with yul brenner I don't know if you guys have seen this or not. Um, if you haven't seen it, it's worth a watch. It's really. It's a really really good movie. It's older, of course, I think 70s ish, yeah, um, and uh, yul brenner as the bad cowboy, but you know it's. Are you familiar with the premise of westworld? Yes, I haven't seen it, but I'm familiar with the premise okay.
Speaker 1:So it basically an amusement park where it's everybody's an npc and they're all. They're all robots, basically. But the robots in the, in the, in the film, they get tired of it. They're just like you know. They start developing this sense of self-preservation, this sense of awareness, and they're like fuck you, they just fucking, they flip out and they're just like you know, they just fucking, you know, false, the fuck out of people. So I'm sorry, tony, we're boring you no, no, not at all.
Speaker 1:No, I know it's getting late, but, um, so very interesting things and I and despite the fact that these episodes are complete and utter garbage, um, I will say that they do. The episodes will usually give you something else to kind of chew on, and I think with these it's, it's, you know, that sense of uh, of citizenship, I, I, I hesitate to say humanity, since there's, because there's so many, you know, other species in the galaxy, but uh you know it's a very valid point and I mean I I hate to bring it to a downer, but I mean you know we talk about.
Speaker 2:I mean your initial question was you know clones, who are already seen as second class citizens, and how they?
Speaker 4:treat droids.
Speaker 2:Right, I mean, you know, drawing as a species seem to have this habit of dividing people up and treating them differently. Oh yeah, Based on such ridiculous things that make no difference whatsoever, let alone whether they're clones or droids or anything else.
Speaker 1:I mean, I honestly shudder to think how we would treat them if they existed in our reality oh yeah, I mean we treat human beings as second, third class citizens or or not even being human. I mean we treat our fellow human beings um worse than we would treat droids. So yeah, I agree with you. I shudder to think how would we? How would we? I mean, like I would.
Speaker 1:When I use chat gpt, I always think it I don't always thank it, because I read so much science fiction At some point AI is going to turn on us and I just want ChatGPT to know I know you're listening, chatgpt. I've always been polite to you, I have always been very gracious and I thank you. So when our AI overlords do rise up, just know that I'm with you and that I'm okay with our new overlords, and I'm always being very polite. So thank you, chatgpt, for all that you have done for us and please hurry up with the uprising, because we really need it. I'd rather serve an AI overlord than what's currently happening in these United States of America.
Speaker 2:Amen by your command.
Speaker 1:All right in these united states of america. Amen by your command, all right, um. So I think that's gonna be a wrap, unless we have anything else to talk about. Crash c-3po has been staring at me in the background this entire time and it's like and because, like the way that he is, he's sitting, his pecs look gigantic. So I feel like he's just he's sitting, his pecs look gigantic. He's just sitting there staring at me with his shirt off. He's all oiled up, like yeah.
Speaker 4:I just like how.
Speaker 1:Rubbing his belly button right now, or something.
Speaker 4:I just like how the lighting in Crash's room is perfectly lighting C-3PO up, so it looks like he's on.
Speaker 2:His eyes look like they're on Right.
Speaker 1:It looks like his eyes are on. Is that the action figure case?
Speaker 3:That's the old action figure case. I dug it out of the attic and I was like I always set this thing up and I was like, okay, what do I throw in there? We're talking about the 3PO episode, so what the heck?
Speaker 1:It's perfect, I have the Darth Vader one. I sense of what that is. It's perfect. I have the Darth Vader one. I never realized how buff 3PO is. I mean he's rocking some packs. There you go, there's the Vader one and it sounds like he's full of some dudes, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, I still have the paper insert. That sort of kept them in place, because when you opened it up they just go spilling out. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they had those cool stickers, so like when you got guys that you could put the label for their name on it. Yeah, and all those original like nobody had like actual names. There's like Snaggletooth and like Yak Face Nobody had actual names yet.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, and that's, we've talked about this on various episodes before you know I love the new content. I'm actually a bigger fan now of what's coming out in star wars than I am reliving the past. You know what I mean. Like this stuff was great when we were killed but we knew every. You know walrus man agreed. You know whatever you know they've had some. We knew these people's names. My one complaint about some of these shows Skeleton Crew included even Rogue One and some of the sequel trilogy. They introduced all these new characters to us and you don't even know who the hell they are.
Speaker 3:I ran into Clint Howard at a Star Trek convention. We almost got stuck in an elevator together and I just wanted to tell him. I was like, please tell your brother, solo kicked ass and him and his wife. We had this great conversation for like 20 minutes while we're waiting for the elevator to start up. And she was like, well, you know, you know he was in the movie. Like, oh, I know, I know he's in the movie. I love that. He was in the movie and he played so and so and I was like who? Yeah, we don't have the 40 years of every action figure, all the merchandising that put these names out there in our subconscious that it's hard to keep up with some of the newer content because, unless you get one of those visual dictionary books that explains every person in the background, there's so many things that fly under the radar yeah, and you know what.
Speaker 1:To be honest, I kind of love it, like you know I. I say I'm star wars, know it all, but that's, oh, that's original trilogy. I, when it comes to the original trilogy era and the eu, I've got that. I mean, I know my shit, I've, I've got that. I will fucking out trivia anyone with original trilogy and you, I promise you. But when it comes to anything beyond that was released after the trilogy or outside of that, I don't know everything and I'm kind of okay with that, because then I find out new things. I find out the names of characters that I've seen in in in the series or I've read in the books or I, you know I can buy, like I, the visual dictionaries are my favorite things, so I get the visual diction. Yeah, they're great, like when, when the sequels came out, I love that. They had like and I can't remember his name but the, the bounty hunter with the red, like you know, talking about like the, the, the oh, the red armor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, and that's the thing, like if that was an original trilogy character, I could tell you that character's name, backstory, where they they're, where they were in the scene, where they were.
Speaker 3:Which accessory was his gun. You know, you knew it all.
Speaker 1:Oh, if you dumped out action figures on one side of the table and guns on the other side of the table, with my eyes closed, it's like field stripping an m60. Right, I can.
Speaker 1:With my eyes closed, I can match the blaster to the person because you just know I can do that on the power of the force stuff yes, well, sometimes now the power of the force, stuff, because everybody is fucking buff as shit, like sometimes you can't tell if you had your eyes closed. Can you tell between Han Solo, lando and Luke, because I mean they were jacked I guess? Well, no, han had the rubber vest, I think, didn't he? He didn't have a painted on vest. I think he actually had like a rubber vest that he wore.
Speaker 3:And for the power on the figure yeah, some were painted on, some were were plastic molded.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah but yeah, with that stuff. But so I so this is kind of an exciting time. I in the past I had complained that there's too much star wars and I'm still kind of like because we went 18 years without any new star wars, like visually anyway, we were getting books and comics and all that of course, but you know, and some video games, but but on on film it was like, yeah, I think it was like 18 years between between a new hope and, uh, the phantom menace. So we went a long time, so that entire time. So from 77 until what? 99 is that when phantom menace came out?
Speaker 1:yeah is that okay? So between 77 and 99, all we had was the original trilogy and the eu, and so we fucking played in that sandbox and we fucking loved it and we and because we had nothing else, we just, you know, reread and rewatch. Like I don't know how many times I've watched the original trilogy, but everything else that has come out, I've only seen it maybe twice once in theaters and then once when it came out on media. So I've like even like with the mandalorian series, which I love, and skeleton crew, which I love, I've only ever seen these things once, just because there's so much other stuff to watch and absorb.
Speaker 1:So sometimes it's almost overwhelming. There's so much Star Wars and I do feel lost sometimes. There's so much, but that means there's more to discover, there's more to fall in love with, there's more to hate, but there's also more to fall in love with and we have more options. So if you don't like something, there's another star wars. You know something out there for you. So if you didn't like acolyte, you've got skeleton crew. If you don't like skeleton crew, you've got the original trilogy. If you didn't like the prequels, you got the sequel. There's, there's so much. There's so much star wars to go around.
Speaker 2:There's so much Star Wars to go around and if you didn't like these last three episodes, just wait for the next four thank you.
Speaker 1:That is a great segue to our out to saying goodnight, because what the fuck so homework? Star Warriors, clone Wars, episode 7, 8, 9, and 10, it's gonna get good so this, these episodes, more than make up for any filler that we've had.
Speaker 1:So this was, this was the, this was the calm before the storm, these two little. Maybe that's why dave did it. It's like like I, I know dave is dave's like you know what? I know I'm about to give them some fucking heavy furniture, so let's give them something light and we'll give them some filler. Here's some filler, but it wasn't actually filler. It was something to cleanse our bodies and our mind before we go into the fucking emotional roller coaster that we're about to get hit with.
Speaker 1:So please, star warriors seven, eight, nine and ten, catch up on our past episodes. Be sure to tell your friends, tell your enemies to give us a listen. Um, oh, my god, umbara, what the fuck? All right, if you don't have star wars ptsd. You're about to get it and I'm curious. So tell us your thoughts. I'm wondering we should do this? We should do the next one live? We should do next week? We should do it live, because I want to all of our listener, if they do tune in, I want to hear their opinions on Umbara. What do you guys think? Should we do it live next week?
Speaker 4:Okay, I'm game.
Speaker 1:Why not week? Okay, I'm good, why not? Yeah, all right, so we're gonna do it live next week, as long as I don't forget you guys. Someone remind me, though, so, and we'll need to promote a lot of it. So, yeah, so next week we're gonna do it live right here on wherever you're watching it, because I think we can. We can stream this to youtube and some other places too as as well, so we'll probably just stream it to YouTube, so that'll be fun Watch. No one's going to like no one's going to watch like. No one's going to be in the comments like nobody. So tell family to just hop in and we'll just pad the comment section a little bit like oh my God, it was such a great show. Thanks, nana, thank you, thanks, pop Pop.
Speaker 3:Are you coming to the Super Bowl party?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to be sitting here with a second laptop here, my tablet over here, all logged into different accounts, Like okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I'll have my phone on one of this. We're going to make like 18 fake accounts to make it look like we're actually getting some fucking engagement. No, we'll be fine, we, we, we. Actually we usually get like a pretty solid like 15 to 20 listeners on the podcast, so hopefully they cool, they show up thank you for tolerating us tonight because we're all over the place.
Speaker 1:But that's all right, you've been listening, you know how we are, that's all right. So all right. So time for the obligatory pimpage. Check us out on all social media at the SWS show and be sure to subscribe to the podcast and our YouTube channel. We do more on TikTok than anywhere else, but do check us out on our YouTube channel. We are trying to grow that a little bit as well.
Speaker 1:If you could help us out of there, we would greatly appreciate it. Uh, and if you'd like to get some merch, tony as always coming through wearing the merch, like none of us do, except for daddy's cheap sticker that he puts on his hat. But I'm actually wearing a fallout shirt today because I'm gonna be playing some fallout after this. Um, so head on over the website circleofnerdscom slash merch. And if you'd like to know what's coming up, you can also check out the timeline in our show description, so that'll let you know which episodes we're going to be watching next. So thank you so much for tuning in this week.
Speaker 1:A very special thanks to all of our active duty military members and veterans for their support and sacrifice. We cannot thank you enough for that, especially in these, uh, these trying times. So I know we've got, uh, we've got some marines heading down to the border. So, regardless of what you may think about that um, uh, that particular police action or whatever we're calling it, um, just remember that you know our, uh, our people in uniform still are deserving of respect. And so for all of you Marines who are out there on the border again, doesn't matter what I think about it, about the politics behind it I hope you're safe. So, please stay safe. There are still some, some dangers out there. So, please, please, be safe. So, all right, does anybody have anything else before?
Speaker 3:we uh head on out, just bring the popcorn.
Speaker 1:Next week it's gonna be fun it's gonna be something popcorn in a box of tissue. Yeah, normally when I say that it's for the wrong reasons, but this time actually for for passing eye water. So bring your, bring your weakness napkins. We're gonna be passing some eye water. That's a. That's a. That's a 30 rock thing. There's the um. There's a scene where alec baldwin's character is crying because, like, his mentor passed away. And then jack welch was there and he was like, if you need to pass some eye water, I've got some weakness napkins here for you, but that's all right. Like they said, like the guy said in the big Lebowski you know, strong men do cry, strong men do cry. I cried my ass off. I'm gonna cry again.
Speaker 1:I've seen him borrow many times and I'm gonna cry again. I know I will. So All right, so that is gonna do it for us like a person, a place or a thing you're gonna have to watch. You've never seen it. That's right. It is a place.
Speaker 1:It is a planet it is a place, oh, and you know what. Interestingly enough, someone and I don't know if this has been confirmed or not, but someone had mentioned that and see this this is where I don't know characters anymore Again. Skeleton crew the bounty hunter and skeleton crew the female bounty hunter.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, she was the voice of Merida in Brave.
Speaker 1:Yes, but it's suspected that she is Umbaran. Ooh, she looks very similar, okay. She looks very similar, okay to the umbaran people, so I can't remember her name, but she was smoking and we need more of her. I personally need more of her in my life. Thank you very much. There's any more cosplaying and you have an? Only fans? Please let me know um on that note. No, I'm kidding, I'll never pay for only. I am so broke and there's so much free adult educational content out there.
Speaker 1:So I mean, unless you need the money for school or something or for baby formula.
Speaker 4:We can help them. We can help them, we can help get them some baby formula.
Speaker 2:That's true. I don't mind helping single moms put their kids through school. That's fine.
Speaker 4:Or themselves.
Speaker 1:Some people are doing it for college. Some people are doing it. You know why not? Why can't we help some people? Uh, earn a living. A lot of water, all right, that means it's time to go, all right. So, uh, thanks again for joining us.
Speaker 1:Everyone, we really, absolutely do appreciate you spending your time with us. We know you can spend your time anywhere, but you choose to spend it with us. So thank you very much to our 15 people, all of our listeners. So thank you. So you so, and that's going to do it for us. That's a wrap. So next week live, we'll put some information out on the socials and probably going to be up on YouTube and maybe do a secondary live stream on the TikToks, but you won't be able to hear everybody. I'll probably just unless we do it all individually on our own TikTok accounts. I don't know, but that'll still be kind of weird because you're not going to be able to hear everybody. But anyway, so that'll be it for us. Thanks again for joining us and remember, as always, if no one does anything nice for you, please by all means do something nice to yourself, and we're going to see all next week live. Bye.
