Clone Wars Rewatch-Season 5: Episodes 1, 14, 15, 16

What happens when Darth Maul stops being a weapon… and starts thinking like a ruler?

This week on Star Wars: SafeSpace, we break down one of the most pivotal arcs in The Clone Wars — where Mandalore falls, alliances collapse, and Obi-Wan faces one of the most devastating moments of his life.

We’re diving into:

•  Maul’s transformation from enforcer to strategist 
•  The political collapse of Mandalore 
•  Death Watch vs Satine’s pacifism 
•  The Republic’s failure to act 
•  And the moment that nearly breaks Obi-Wan Kenobi 

This isn’t just another Clone Wars arc… this is where the galaxy starts to fracture in ways that lead directly into Revenge of the Sith.

Whether you’re a hardcore fan or just a little Swarsy Curious, this is your non-toxic, low-sodium Star Wars breakdown that doesn’t make you feel bad for not knowing the deep cuts.

Follow us on social media @TheSWSShow. Once we get our poodoo together, you'll find show clips, behind-the-scenes shenanigans, Star Wars news, memes, updates, and more!

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Transcript

Cold Open And Spoiler Warning

SPEAKER_06 0:00

Buckle up Star Warriors because we're jumping from Maul's murder tour straight into a Mandalorian political thriller, and believe me, heads will roll. A lot of them. Literally, it's decapitations and deception. All that and more this week, Clone Wars Season 5, episodes 1, 14, 15, and 16. This week on your Star Wars Safe Space. Please do stick around. There we go. Hey there, Star Wars. Welcome to Star Wars Safe Space or Non-Clox Glow Sodium Star Wars show that doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that John Favreau voiced pre-Visa in Star Wars Clone Wars and also came back to uh not reprise his role, but came back as another Viesla in the Mandalorian series. He was pos Viesla, if I if I remember that correctly. Is that the right right now? Pos Viesla. Like pause like Pez Dispenser, but pause Viesla. So yeah, John Favreau, he's he's such a nerd. He and of course he's directed lots and lots of Star Wars stuff. So um, so yeah, God, love that guy. Him and him and Dave, man. Him and Dave are they are definitely one of us for sure. All right. So whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little squarzy curious, this is your Star Wars safe space. Welcome aboard. We are the circle of nerds, and we do absolutely love Star Wars, even if we don't always like it. So let's meet the crew, shall we? Hailing from parts unknown. It is the keeper of the Holocron. T to the Oni, Oni, Oni, Oni.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Welcome back to the Galaxy, everybody. Strap in.

SPEAKER_05 1:56

Strap in, strap up, strap on.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

And pilot of the infamous.

SPEAKER_06 2:05

Come on, it's us. You gotta always take it that far. Always take it that far. And uh pilot of the infamous Parma Flyer, it's crash.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Hey everybody, I just flew in from Chicago, and boy, are my S foils tired. Let's go.

SPEAKER_05 2:20

There we go.

unknown 2:21

Jesus.

SPEAKER_06 2:23

That deserves another one. Okay. All right, and making her triumphant return to the show after a much-needed hiatus in Milan. Star of stage and screen, it is Sherry, two Rs one Y. But not where you think.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Hi everyone, I'm doing great.

SPEAKER_06 2:45

Welcome back to the show.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

Thanks.

Star Wars Horror And Xenomorph Talk

SPEAKER_06 2:47

Good to have you back. T and Sass. That's what we get from Sherry. T and Sass. That's right. Well, more like I don't know, like vodka and sass. Mostly vodka. Vodka in the T. Correct. And then Sass. All right. So what are we doing here? We are on a mission to watch all the Star Wars canon films and TV shows in chronological order, breaking them down, connecting the dots, and learning more about Star Wars and maybe even a little about ourselves as we go on. So sweet. So a word of warning to all you would-be Star Warriors out there, there will be spoilers. So if you haven't watched these episodes, please pause the podcast, watch the episodes, then come on back because we've got some deep, deep dive discussions going on this week. But before we do that, let's talk about uh some news stuff and uh pretend there's music here.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

It's the news, the news.

SPEAKER_06 3:45

All right.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

So anyway, you got uh so uh there was a um I guess a carpet uh me uh I don't even know what to call it now. Uh but uh Gilroy, who's one of the uh one of the producers on Andor, was talking with a with a reporter and they're asking him about upcoming projects, and he confirmed that there is a horror Star Wars project in the works. Uh, we're not sure whether or not this is something that has already been announced, but just I hadn't announced, you know, that the projects have been announced, it just was announced that it was a horror-themed project, or if he's talking about something that we've never heard about at all, uh, which is really cool and interesting, and you know, I something that I would love to see from Star Wars. Um and while we don't know any of the basics among you know what that project could look like, uh there's also a uh a new comic that just came out, uh, which is see here it is Jedi Knights number two, uh was just released. And in that comic, um, there is they introduce a new species called the Xerexy, which are basically Star Wars Xenomorphs. Okay, uh they are defined as yeah, and you actually like they should there's a show, uh a screen from from the book there, and they are defined as an all-black alien abomination sporting a prehensile tail and nearly impenetrable armor.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

And there are hordes of them. You ever notice it's not like a cute and fluffy little creature that just always gotta be this like scaly dark sitting there? And they're you know they just want like a labberdoodle, a killer labberdoodle. That'd be too much.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Stitch is like a killer, but yeah, he's so cute. So they're never like that, no.

SPEAKER_06 5:34

Well, because then you'd feel bad for watching them get slaughtered. Wait, what are they what's the name of them?

SPEAKER_02 5:41

Uh what are they called? They are called the the their name is Xerexy. It's X-E-R-E-X-I.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

It might be tied into the throm novels. I think there's some I gotta look at it.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

I just I literally just got back from since they are genetic creations of Atha Prime, who is the spell that for me one more time primary bad guy in this uh X-E-R E X I.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

Yeah, I think there was something I I again I could be off base here. There in the thr the new Thrawn novels, there's supposedly this unknown and evil thing, you know, thing that scares the chis empire so much so that they team up with Palpatine to try to prevent them from it take you know, this could be that being introduced in in in comic form.

EU Debates And Mara Jade Hopes

SPEAKER_06 6:30

Maybe, yeah. I I but you know what we've already got uh this is what this is what upsets me. We've already got the evil scary aliens the Yuzon Vong. We have them, they're there. Just bring them to us, bring them, they've been they've been decanonized, grab them by their little squishy alien balls and bring them to us because they're they're alien balls, they're little. I mean, maybe they're big alien balls. I don't know. I'm sure they're by their whatever genitalia, maybe they're pod. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

I don't know how the the river help control the population, have your xenomorph spade or neuter, you know.

SPEAKER_06 7:09

Yes, see, but the the yuzon vong, they they're force resistant, so I mean that's terrifying.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

I I think there's some tra the problem with the books is you know, we ran into this, you know. Timothy Zahn was great that they basically said, Hey Tim, we're gonna decanonize your books, but we want you to write a whole new trilogy, plus more, and he got to rework Thrawn and fit it into the new canon, and that was cool. The problem with the EU books is that you start dealing with license rights to the authors and stuff like that, where yeah, and there were so many different authors that worked in the the new Jedi Order Vong series of books that you'd have to pay get the rights from every single one of them to make sure everything, you know, and it gets to the point where you almost get it's almost more hassle than it's worth. So I can kind of see why they're steering away from that.

SPEAKER_06 8:00

But a lot of the rights though do belong to Lucas Arts, and yeah, but the then you start dealing with the authors and who get you know, but I think a lot of that too is like the authors they have the rights. I think I and I don't know, I'm not you know a literary lawyer, but I I the characters themselves belong to Lucasfilm, yeah. Right. So I mean, authors, I mean, no offense to our authors because obviously they've given us so much. Yeah, without the authors, Star Wars would have died, you know, decades ago, yeah, easily. But at the end of the day, the characters do belong to Disney now, but you know, LucasArt, so they can kind of like do whatever they want, like you know, so like they could bring the Yuzon Vong as a as a species back, but then just like discount like all of the stories.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

I mean, because you can't obviously you can't because that deals with the Skywalker and solo children, and you well, that's where we're getting in trouble now with the sequel trilogy, not trouble, but people griped about the sequel trilogy. You know, they say, Well, I we we wanted the throne trilogy instead. Well, you had to have made that in the late 90s when Mark Harrison and Carrie were of the right age. Yeah, now they'd have left you, yeah, they'd have left you out of the room if you'd asked them that in the 90s.

SPEAKER_06 9:14

Yeah, no, you can't do it. And you know, someone made up a good point because I used to be, you know, in some ways I still am. I'm you know kind of a purist with this stuff. It's like this isn't my Star Wars, my EU, my expanded universe. That's my Star Wars. But someone someone made a good point online because I was ranting and raving about this, and it they said, Well, why retell those stories? We have those stories, you know. Our generation has those stories. We we have them, we've read them, we love them, whatever. Let's do new stories. And if that means like recycling old characters in order to create these new stories, then why not do it? And I have to agree with that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

How many times have we said how brother Dave is so good about picking that one piece out from the old EU or this piece out of the old Kenner toy line, working it in to the story enough that we get the reference, it goes in maybe in a new direction that that that differs from our childhood imagining or you know, the way we remember them. Yeah, but yeah, it it's there, and you could do it with the Vong, you could even rework the whole Vong story. I just don't know if it's worth the legal hassles that come.

SPEAKER_06 10:19

We're not gonna, we're not gonna get it. If we haven't got the Vong yet, we're probably not going to, not for a while. Just like when you know, when we saw Thrawn again, we didn't see Thrawn with his little, you know, Yasara. You know, that was that would have been great because that could have that would have countered everything that uh came in Ezra were gonna do to him, you know.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

And and Project Necromancer versus you know having a fully cloned, insane Jedi Master or Jorge Sabat, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:45

Loris Kabath. That's it would have been cool to see in live action, but at the same time, you limit the freedom of the the writers now with what they can because then you then you have to do Mara Jade and Young Luke and cloned Luke, and it's just it opens up a big bag of worms. Speaking of Mara Jade, I'm sorry I'm getting off on a tangent. I know, I apologize. I I am, I'm sorry. Um, the Mara Jade lightsaber recently came out. Um, Disney released that, and it made me wonder are we going to see Mara Jade brought back to Canon? I'm just wondering if you guys because they brought that back. Is it a teaser or is it just you know what? Mara Jade is a beloved character. Here's a little something for you.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

But well, you never know because they just add stuff in. I mean, it's whatever's in their in their little minds, you know what I mean? They're just making up their own story like they go right now. It's not I I I'm not saying it's not canon or anything, but yeah, I mean, the more we don't know about a lot of that, you know, especially the comic books and the books and stuff like that. But um, I know a little bit, but yeah, I think it's just whatever Dave and then sit around and I don't know, drink, smoke, I don't know what they do, but and then just come up with these stories, you know, which I think are great.

SPEAKER_06 12:06

And that's a good point. So for for folks that aren't like fully aware of Mara Jade, Mara Jade ended up being the wife of Luke Skywalker. Massive spoilers here. So she was a hand of Thrawn. She was like essentially like um I don't even want to say like uh the Inquisitor. Kind of, yeah, okay. Yeah, kind of like the Inquisitors, but like there were a few, and you know, some of them were kind of cute. There was there was Mara Jade, there was another girl, I can't remember her name, she had like short hair. Um, but yeah, he sent them out in the galaxy, sent these gals out, and well, other members, and the hand, like they didn't know that there were others. Each hand thought they were the only one, so they had no idea. So Mara was one of the Mara was tasked with assassinating Luke Skywalker. That was her job. Go out, kill Luke. Palpie got killed first, and she felt his death in the force, and so she like made it her mission to still track him down. But by the time she found him, you know, Luke is still cute and kind of charming, and they fall in love, and but she's still conflicted because she still really wants to kill this motherfucker for her master, but so then there's this clone Luke that pops up, so she kills clone Luke, satisfying away, yeah. Right. So she's able to satisfy that debt. Then her and her and Luke, you know, they that's all in the books, right? Yeah, that's all none of that's you know. So when we saw when we saw Luke in um what was it? Um episode nine force awakens. Force awakens, yeah. When we saw him standing there, he he's standing in front of some stones, but it very much looked like a tombstone. And my first thought was, is that Mara's is that Mara's grave? Could that be Mara's grave? And now seeing this lightsaber, could we get Mara Jade? Could we get a little backstory? Like, you know, tales of Mara? Can we get it in anything excited? Don't get too excited because you never know.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Well, it's the trick to that is like we've been saying yeah, the trick to that is everybody that's been fancasting Mara Jade is uh doing what every comic book cover artist did for the last 20 years. They make they find the hot redhead and go, her. Now you pick like and it's usually like somebody in their twenty early twenties, yeah, athletic build, and then you go, Okay, cool. Now pair her up with Mark Hamill and don't make it look weird. I I actually got into a conversation with a guy on the Star Wars Safe Space Facebook page about yeah, she looks great in the part. I I I I met Timothy Zahn years ago, and I asked him uh who would he cast for Thrawn and Mar Jade. This was you know early 2000s, and his answers kind of surprised me. I don't remember the Mar Jade one specifically, but I remember Rutger Hauer was his choice for Thrawn. Now, now Mad picture that versus what we got in Ahsoka with Mads uh you know I can't say his last name. Mardigan Martin, yeah. The guy the guy from Rebels and Ahsoka who who voiced live action and animated. He's great, but he's not Rutger Hauer, who the author and and that's what I've been getting at is that you start making choices that the book author doesn't agree with, all of a sudden we've got a JK Rowling fight going on. Oh yeah. So I think you know, everybody said, like so, yeah, Mar Jade, bring back Mar Jade. Well, first off, you know, nobody's is fan casting a 50-60-year-old actress for the part, they want the young, hot 20-something year old from the cover art. And it's just and either that or you have to do the CGI deep fake Luke, like we see in Mandalorian at to tell a backstory. And on top of that, even if you cast her, you're all you're doing is leading up to the fact that what Ben Solo kills her when he you know turns on Luke, and yeah, but yeah, so we get to kill her again.

SPEAKER_06 16:01

I mean, she's I mean, she's she's going to pass away.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

I feel like that's that's the and I think that's why they don't want to resurrect her into the new canon because it's like, well, we're just gonna kill her all over again.

SPEAKER_06 16:14

That's true. But you know who I think could do it? Christina Hendrix. Ooh, okay. Christina Hendrix as Mara Jade. Um, and if you're not familiar with Christina, you should uh Google her thoroughly.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

Not Google her, Google her.

SPEAKER_06 16:32

Google her thoroughly. Um Sherry, you would have known her from Firefly. She was the crazy Malcolm Reynolds wife.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:55

There we go.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:59

Remember her from uh from Firefly? Yeah, crazy.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

She looks good as a redhead. That would work. And she's the right age that it could play.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

I agree. I've definitely Googled her.

Convention Stories And Meeting Boyega

SPEAKER_06 17:15

Yeah, Googled or Googled. All right. Yes. Um all right. So, hey, before we get into uh the actual show that we're supposed to be doing today, yeah, let's still skinny. Um, Crash, tell us about your recent trip and your you met someone.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

Yeah, I had a I had a busy weekend. I was in Chicago for C2E2 and uh got to meet John Boy. Now you meet John Boyga, I got to ask him a question during his panel, which we're gonna poach uh the video. There's another podcast that hosted it, and they did a fantastic job. I want to give a shout out to them. Once I I have their name written down somewhere, but once I'll put it on our social because they did a great job. It was great seeing him.

SPEAKER_06 17:59

So shout out to Unknown Podcast, Unknown Podcast, who will be named later.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Um, but it was really great because it was like it and John even said, you know, a lot of what you see online is the negativity and and you know, the people who say mean things for for clicks. It was great being at a convention where the whole room is just just you just felt the love, and he was excited to meet us. We're all excited to meet him. I had a great conversation with him uh at his table when we were getting uh something signed. And uh Phil Lamar, who did Kid Fisto on Clone Wars, I got to meet him. Great dude. Um, just a good weekend. I taped some stuff for Crash's Corner segments about you know surviving con life, which is great because I I I I pick up I talk about all these little rules that we have over the years. I broke every rule of mine this weekend. Of course, like Snips and I were going around, and you know, she was gonna go with me to Phil's table and just like, I don't have any cash. And I we we always say, Don't use the ATMs in the convention hall. You get charged fees from your bank, and the bank, you know, it's just a you know, prepare you know, prep ahead of time, bring cash with you. And she's like, damn, I don't have any cash. Okay, fine, we'll use the ATM. Brought we brought chips and snacks with us into the room. We had our parents with us. They were we were gonna visit some friends in town. So we had like our big room, you know, four of us in a room. We had chips and snacks. We never touched any of it. We were downstairs eating in the restaurant.

SPEAKER_06 19:29

Spending extra money on overpriced food in the restaurants, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

But really good. And I and this is where I was I was gonna record uh almost like a captain's log supplemental on that. I was like, you know, I tell you these things, but like I say on the show, you know, sometimes with Star Wars, you just have to go with it and enjoy the ride. Like sometimes it's okay to spend a little extra money if you know if you have a good meal or a good interaction with some guest, or you know, it's okay to break your rules once like like you say with you know skeleton crew, you know, get into a little trouble, just don't get caught. And and that was me. I you know, I got into a little bit of trouble in my own uh Crash's corner rules, and I said, but at least I didn't get caught.

SPEAKER_06 20:10

All right. So you had a good time.

SPEAKER_00 20:12

Yeah, and we're I got photos and stuff on our Facebook and Swarzy Curious page. Love it. Uh you know, you guys check that out. You can see a kind of weekend I had.

Community Plug And Positivity Rules

SPEAKER_06 20:21

Sounds good. And be on the lookout for more. And that's that's a great, that's a great segue for people that would be interested in maybe joining our private, exclusive members only uh Facebook group, Swarzy Curies.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Yeah, and and that's great. You know, we've been really trying to put in more content on on Facebook and all the other social medias. Um, but the square securities is kind of like the y'all know us, we know you. Here's the inside information on the show.

SPEAKER_06 20:50

Community, that's our our close, tight-knit community where no haters, you don't have to worry about any negativity or toxicity. That's just where all of us like-minded nerds can can gather and talk about this show and then talk about Star Wars and just have a good time.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

And if there is, you're cut.

SPEAKER_06 21:09

Oh, yeah, ban hammer, ban the ban hatchet.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Fuck a ban hammer. You gotta put that out there because I'm picturing Sherry like the the armor and the storm tree, she's just gonna go to town on somebody if they get out of mind.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Sherry's one of the moderators, so if you I am, I haven't seen I haven't been looking too much. I need to get more into it.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

But Tony and me, we've been kind of holding the fort down, yeah, you know, and just starting to get the feel for it.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

Stuff in there once in a while, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

If you're watching this and you're wondering about swarm, trust me, we're all there. You could ask us questions directly if you want.

SPEAKER_06 21:39

Oh, hell yeah. Absolutely. We should we should do some live like one night, you know, just for the swarzy curious group. Yeah, hang out in there one night and just you know, kind of shoot the shit, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 21:49

Yeah, that's true.

Maul’s Strategy And Sidious Reacts

SPEAKER_06 21:50

Absolutely. All right, so anyways, on to the show, on to the show, on to the show. So this was a hell. Hell of an arc, and I still have ants everywhere on my console. Okay. Um, this is a hell of an arc. We had to jump back to episode one this week, uh, just to tie everything together because you've got episode one, which was about you know Maul and Savage and their murder tour. But and then for some reason, we have another like 13 episodes-ish before we get to the rest of that arc. I don't understand. I love Dave. I don't understand his genius sometimes. I don't know why that's happened. When we get him on the show, we're gonna have to ask him why engaged and come back.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

I would have come back anyway. I'm just okay. Well, maybe some wouldn't.

SPEAKER_06 22:40

I don't know. You're right. You're not you're not wrong about that at all. So we do see we do see Maul at this point, um, probably more so than ever before. We're seeing Maul um in this really cunning, strategic, even philosophical um um capacity. You know, normally he's just been that blunt instrument, that hammer of Palpatine, just going out there. And then he was this rage monster who is he still is. I mean, make no mistake, he's still full of rage and bile for Kenobi. But in his dealings with the Death Watch and Mandalore, we we see him in this really strategic visionary, you know, uh capacity, and he was not entirely wrong. I mean, shit went sideways for him, obviously. But you know, when you look at his vision versus Viesla's vision vision, mall's was a lot wider and deeper than I mean Viesla was now that hammer, he just wanted to go in there and crush, crush, crush. So, my my first question for the for the gang here. Um, do you think that Maul is becoming more dangerous because he is no longer just this blunt weapon? That he is more tactical and more more surgical and more precise. Sherry, what are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Um, well, yeah. I mean, he's he's more determined and focused now. I mean, he was crazy, obviously, for a minute when he was found, but that's understandable, losing your legs and living off spiders or whatever the hell he was living off of.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

He lost a little more than just his legs.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Well, you know what? I mean, well, yeah, I mean lost his best saber. He lost his saber. Um but yeah, no, I thought it was weird because he had like his tender mom, which is I know this is a weird thing to say, but like his tender moments with his brother.

SPEAKER_04 24:43

He did.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

And it was only when he was getting hurt that he was like, Well, I'm you're my brother.

SPEAKER_07 24:49

Right.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

Other than that, you know, I think he still had the mentality of the Sith, and he needed to obviously with all with this episode, he's gonna lose that shit because you know, Daddy probably fucks him up.

SPEAKER_06 25:05

So yeah, does he?

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Yeah, I mean, so I think that he's more focused and he's gonna try to he's just more strategic, I think. He still has the anger, but he's learning to focus that anger um in I don't want to say positive way, but for himself for himself, yeah. A positive way, not for others.

SPEAKER_06 25:28

But and i and as always, you bring up a very interesting point that I didn't even consider was that for lack of a better word, that that tenderness that he does have for Savage, and you know, he's he's Mr. Fucking Ego Maniac, Mr. You know, I'm Sith, you know, he's he's he's that guy until Savage gets heard.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

I felt like it was forced. Like before it wasn't forced because he was the apprentice, it was whatever. So uh but now I think he he thought he had to prove something because he I maybe he thought he was gonna go back into the graces of you know daddy palpatine, and by do by doing this, oh you know, he's gonna see me and bring me back into the ranks. But um, obviously he learns that's not well.

SPEAKER_06 26:15

Maybe it's like it's like uh like a child that's you know, you know, raised in an abusive household. This is all he knows in terms of like an apprentice. So, like this is what Palpatine taught him, and that's how he's gonna be with Savage.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

And I'm actually surprised Palpatine did not feel him that one. I'm sooner. I yeah, I I'm still a little bit because Palpatine is so powerful. I I feel like like he was aware of it, but it did it didn't seem like he was no, I just I know it wasn't part of the story, but if it was, you know, if this was like a real universe type of deal, he would have felt him, at least I think.

SPEAKER_06 26:56

And it wasn't it wasn't until Sateen, that situation we'll talk about that in a minute, the situation with Sateen, where I'm wondering if because it was like right after that that that he that he we're shown that it appears that he's sensing something. Obviously, he's aware of Maul because Obi-Wan told him about Maul. You know, we saw that whole conversation, so he would have no no, I know that you're right, but he was just like, whatever, maybe he died in the crash, maybe he didn't. It doesn't matter because he's he's inconsequential to my plans, so he doesn't give a fuck about Maul at this point, correct? But then after what happened to Sateen happens to Sateen, then we get this shot of Palpi, and he kind of like goes into a little meditative state and then he takes off for Mandalore. So I'm wondering, and I'm curious, I'd like to hear from the group about this too. Is like was it was it Maul that he sensed at that point, or was it Obi-Wan's grief that he felt across the galaxy? Because I mean he's Palpatine is finely tuned into the dark side, right?

SPEAKER_01 28:05

So that's why grief and turns out ripples. I think it was probably Obi-Wan, but that's why I say when that happened to Maul, he's so finely tuned. I think it's bull. I know they wanted to do it for the story, but all right.

SPEAKER_06 28:19

Let's we'll circle back around to that because I want to ask Tony Crash, what are your thoughts on on Maul becoming more dangerous here now that he's you know tapping into his more strategic philosophical side?

SPEAKER_02 28:31

So, my interpretation of this, and I'll just be quick about it, is that like I interpreted it as the Emperor knew Maul was there, like that was never in question. I think he only got involved when Obi-Wan lost. I think he assumed Obi-Wan was just gonna go take care of it the same way that he beat him last time. Okay, and when he realized, okay, he not not only is he still alive, he has surpassed where I expected him to be. Now I've got to go put him in his place.

SPEAKER_06 28:58

Now he's becoming a rival. Yeah, that's a good point. Because when he got there, he said, you know, you're a right, you're a rival. Yeah, you know, so yeah, that's a great point. That's a great point. Crash, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:11

Um, I the thing I found interesting about this question is I saw Maul uh evolving much like we see Boba Fett in Book of Boba Fett, where he was a blunt instrument, he was the the murder machine apprentice, and when he was cast aside, like you said, all he knew was this the Sith and the and the and the rule of two. Well, he wants to be the master, and you notice that when Palpatine showed up on the scene, he immediately went from oh yeah, I'm a player now to complete bootlick or don't mind my brother, pay attention, pay no attention to the brother in the other side of the room. Right, you know, there's two of them, and as soon as Palpatine gave no indication that he was buying this line of bullshit, you know, they like it ignite sabers and attack because it's like okay, I think Maul wanted to really see himself. I was like, you know, if Palpatine's McDonald's, Darth Maul was like, Hey, I'm opening Burger King, and I'm gonna take we're gonna take over the market.

SPEAKER_07 30:12

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 30:15

He called himself, you know, he said that we're we well it well, Maul, he said, we are the true lords of the Sith.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

Yeah, we are, you know, so he was so and it was interesting seeing even you know after Savage got taken out, you know, Maul's begging for mercy, thinking yeah, like he could why wind his way back into being the number two in this in the equation, and for yeah, forget you know, forget about Dooku. I you know, it'd be interesting what Maul's impression of Dooku as you know, because he was privy to Pelpatine's grand plan. So he and he knew you know, because we'll it we'll find out later, you know, he as things play out uh during order of six. You know, it was like everything was going accord of clockwork, and and when he was told about the Clone Wars, oh the plan went along without me. You know, he's he's read the script, he's our he's read to the end of the book and went, wait a minute, I got cut out of the story.

SPEAKER_03 31:15

Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

I want to be, you know, instead of being a Sith Lord, he was trying to make you know, calling themselves crime lords, as if a force-sensitive crime lord is equal to being ruler of the galactic republic slash empire.

SPEAKER_06 31:30

And it it was interesting too because he he was hellbent and obsessed and focused with taking Kenobi out, like that was obviously his sole total and purpose. But then when he was questioned by Viesla, he you know, he said, What do you want? You know, he said, I want fortune and power. Now, does he want fortune and power so he can use those things to exact his revenge on Kenobi? Or does he just really, really want fortune and power because he is just that guy, and he'll he'll get so now it's it seems like he's becoming less obsessed with Kenobi. Not that it's not there because we see you know he's like, We're gonna put Kenobi in a cell and let him live for the rest of his life in misery, but it it seemed like that quest for fortune and power seemed to overtake his his quest for revenge.

SPEAKER_01 32:25

Well, I think like what Crash said, he wants to surpass Daddy Powpy and be the supreme. That's what I think. So I thought that was a good an analogy to that. I didn't even think about that. So how's it going, Crash?

Satine’s Death And Obi-Wan’s Duty

SPEAKER_06 32:41

So since we're since we're you know talking about Obi-Wan and Sateen. Oh um, this is arguably, arguably one of Obi-Wan's most emotional moments, like in his in his history in the Star Wars universe. This is possibly except for obviously Anakin, yeah. Yeah. But um this entire this entire arc was really kind of centered around a couple of things. One is loss, um, and the other is balance, you know, and we're gonna get to that too, talking about the balance between warrior power and total pacifism. You know, again, if Star Wars has taught us nothing, it has taught us the about the dangers of extremism. You know, you can't be 100% light side, you can't be 100% dark side, it doesn't work. You can't be 100% warrior state, you can't be 100% pacifist, it just doesn't work. There's gotta be a compromise and meetings in the middle, and Star Wars teaches us that again and again and again and again. But for this, with Sateen and Obi-Wan, I'm curious about your thoughts. Um, he said it in an earlier episode. He said, All you had to do is ask, and I would have left the Jedi Order. And then now her final words I love you, I've always love you, and I always will. And we see that beautiful shot of him holding her, and it's just like, oh, it's a lightsaber to the heart, and it's like so. Could even though Obi-Wan said that, if if she would have professed her love prior to her death, do you think that he would have left the Jedi Order? What do you guys think, Tony? What do you think? Would he have left the force?

SPEAKER_02 34:41

That's a good question. I think I think it very much depends on when. Um I think he meant it when he said that when he said it when he did. Um I like if this was prior to him becoming a master, prior to the the the creation of the separatists, prior to him being responsible for Obi-Wan and all those other things. Or I'm sorry, for him being responsible for Anakin's training and all that. I think had it happened then, yeah, he absolutely walks away. Now I don't know. Uh now I think that there's just he has so many other responsibilities that I don't think he can just walk away from it.

SPEAKER_06 35:23

Yeah, he's kind of knee deep in a lot of things. Sherry, what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 35:28

Well, I think he stood his oath. I mean, he yeah, he is a Jedi, he knows that he has. I mean, I don't agree with the separation with the love and all that stuff. I think that's you know attachment thing, like the whole attachment thing is ridiculous. But but that being said, um Obi-Wan was true to he was a true Jedi at that moment. I mean, to be honest, and she knew it, she loved him. You could see it in her face. Don't do don't do it. Yeah, you know, she knew she was gonna die. Um I think Obi knew she was gonna die. And I I I don't know, I I thought it was a touching moment. It sucks that she died. I thought that was the saddest thing I've ever seen. Yeah, um, but but he knew what he had to do, he didn't even hesitate to. I mean, yeah, he he held her for that moment, right? But then he knew what he had to do. So uh he is the epitome of a Jedi and not being he's not, I don't know how to put it, um deceitful. Okay. Like the rest of them, I think are for you know, in some of their the way they treat, especially Anakin. Like that, that's a big deal. He's always kept in the dark. I'm not saying Obi-Wan hasn't maybe done that, but I think he tries to be a little more open and truthful and showing Anakin that you to be honest, he does show Anakin you can love and still be a Jedi. In in that in a small way, he does it.

SPEAKER_00 37:07

But Obi-Wan that's why that's what that's why he told the story. I think on the in the past episode when he when they first meet Satine, kind of he's telling, you know, you know, Anakin, this the story about him and Qui-Gon and how it's like and he kind of very hinted that look, I fell in love with this girl, yeah, but I took my oath as a Jedi seriously, and I chose duty before my feelings. And right he was trying to in some ways I think he was trying to tell Anakin, look, I know what's going on, it's okay, you know. Yeah, but um this was just heartbreakingly brutal for him. I mean, Maul was toying with taunting him the whole time, you know, when he's holding her in the air with the force choke. I remember my first thought was, Oh, he's just gonna like stab her right in front of him, and to the literally fling, you know, the 3D effect of like flinging her at him, and oh, by the way, and then swinging the the darksaber into her. It was just like that was pure taunting on Maul's part, and he was enjoying every second of it.

SPEAKER_05 38:13

Oh, he had a smile on his face the whole time.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was that's what he wants. He wants Obi-Wan to suffer.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

And and and the great thing about Obi-Wan is uh like Sherry was saying, uh, the Jedi Order have their faults. The Jedi Order has has and we're gonna get into that a little bit too here. But I think Obi-Wan always sort of represents the best of what the Jedi should be about, even you know, uh which is why I think he sort of you know took yeah, Qui-Gon and Yoda taught him how to connect to the living force. I think if of all the Jedi in the in the maybe including Ahsoka, uh of all that a generation, you know, he was probably one of the most pure, honorable Jedi in the order, and that moment Maul came as close as he ever anyone ever did to breaking him. Yeah, and he still, I mean, because now a map and said, Look, you you can kill me, but you're never gonna defeat me.

SPEAKER_06 39:09

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

No, he stuck to his even heartbroken, he stuck to his principles.

What Anakin Would Have Done

SPEAKER_06 39:13

And he knew he was he fully embraced the fact that they were both going to die that day. Like Obi-Wan, he he it he embraced that. Now, now take let's take a look at if these roles were different. If that had been Anakin and Padme in that situation, how how would this scene have played out then? Yeah, what do we think?

SPEAKER_02 39:35

Anakin so I'm just gonna say this because I've been thinking about this a lot. Like, I don't know that it's possible because I've never seen it, but yeah, like I'm pretty sure that Anakin would have forced, would have used the force to draw and quarter both Maul and Savage, and everybody else in that room had that been had that been him. Yes, I agree.

SPEAKER_06 39:59

Yeah, I feel like Anakin would have gone like full Super Saiyan Jedi, you know, because like we saw him at his peak of power on Mortis, right? Like that's when we see him, like he's just like pure.

SPEAKER_00 40:13

That was the ultimate flex. Yeah, I will, I will, these these supernatural beings that represent the force. He basically just took them by the force and said, Heal.

SPEAKER_06 40:22

That was yeah, yeah. He's like, I'm gonna take these the pure embodiment of the dark side and the pure embodiment of the light side, and I'm just gonna, like you said, make them heal. And he was able to do that because damn. Granted, he was probably more powerful because of where he was at the time, but still, had that been Anakin and Padme, I feel like that entire building would have just been reveled, and it would have just been him and Padme, but that would have been like that.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Would have been the hallway scene of hallway scenes, just hit a dark saber and his saber, and just ripped everybody apart on him, on everybody.

SPEAKER_06 40:58

And I think in that moment he would have fully turned to the dark side.

SPEAKER_00 41:01

Oh, yeah. Oh, god, hide your hide your younglings. Oh, first time hide your kids.

SPEAKER_02 41:11

While we're on this, yeah, listen, Anakin knows Obi-Wan's feelings for Satin, of course, yeah. He's got to like for all the times that Anakin has disobeyed the council. Why the fuck didn't he go with Obi-Wan? You know what? I was wondering the same thing. Outside of the story reasoning, like you know, you like because had he gone, everything would have been different, but like outside of that, like it is a complete break in his character to just be like, nah, fuck it, Obi-Wan, you go by yourself.

SPEAKER_06 41:44

Well, I don't think anybody knew. I don't think anybody knew. I think I think well Anakin didn't knew he was gone. He gave him the ship, he gave him the ship. Palpy might have told Anakin he had to go somewhere else. That's true, in which case that I I could tell he was with his lady, guys. Or yeah, he might have been with Padme over on uh on that boom I keep making the room when they were discussing it, like yeah, he was in the room, but it's possible and again.

SPEAKER_02 42:13

Obviously, obviously, this you know, that you know it's can't say I can't do it because of the story. I get that, but yeah, outside of that, it just doesn't make any norm, the norm would be he would go with them, right? Um I think that there's maturing.

SPEAKER_01 42:30

I mean, he's getting crazy, but he might be like, Okay, I know you have to do this because this is your woman, because he would do the same thing if it was Padme, he'd be like, I gotta go, I gotta buy, I gotta do this by myself.

SPEAKER_00 42:42

And and let's not rule out the possibility that Obi-Wan might, you know, because this was not an officially sanctioned Jedi, you know, right? Obi-Wan may have insisted that Anakin not get involved. You know, I'll borrow your ship. I appreciate that. I'll use my old costume from my my days undercover as a as a dodge. But I I think there was a there again, uh honorable Obi-Wan would say, Look, this is not an official mission, I can't bring you with me. Boom.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Well, I agree with Tony though. I mean, in in the gr in the normal line, and I don't think Anakin would have cared. Yeah, Anakin would have went, he would have hit or done some shit because Ahsoka would have done the same thing.

SPEAKER_06 43:21

Yeah, Ahsoka would have would have would have snuck in and she would have I do agree with that. Now, do we think now seeing this because Obi-Wan, as we've seen throughout the franchise, Obi Wan has carried a lot of burdens. I mean, he's he's seen a lot of tragedy, he's seen a lot of loss, he's carried a lot of burdens, he sacrificed a lot of himself. So, I mean, sometimes people will say he's Star Wars Jesus, and in many ways he is. I mean, he is, you know, he he is that man of sacrifice. Do you think this loss here with Sateen, arguably the love of his life? Um, do you think it really shaped? The way that he like uh you know his his later choices when it comes to loss, and especially with Anakin, the way that he deals with loss or the way that he just deals with other people in general, would he would he choose to do things differently because of this loss? Like, do you think that he would you know want to protect Anakin more? Or you know, or or did he just tuck this away? Is this one of those things that he uses his intense Jedi training to just tuck away, push down, and then let the force deal with it?

SPEAKER_00 44:39

I think in oh we see in the Obi-Wan series, you know, a lot, especially in the early part, you know, he was very reluctant. You know, he even told the that one kid, the Jedi that showed up. He's like, Look, we lost, right? You know, he is and Obi-Wan had lost so much, both professionally as a Jedi, personally with Sateen, uh, emotionally with Anakin, that when you see him after the Clone Wars and the Empire, you know, you can understand, you know, the in the original movie, you know, Luke, Luke, or Uncle Owen's described, you know, he's just a crazy old hermit.

unknown 45:15

Right.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

And it's like, yeah, his job was to you know, he swore again, he swore to protect Luke and then got dragged in to have to rescue Leia. But yeah, he was his mindset was I'm gonna stay here, I'm gonna keep my head down, and I'm just gonna watch this boy because you know someday he's gonna be trained. Creeper. But you know, and again, that's his Jedi honor code saying, Look, I I swore to protect this boy who's the son of my best friend who betrayed me, but I'm still gonna do it.

SPEAKER_06 45:50

He's still gonna do it because it's not about it's not about Anakin or Anakin's betrayal, and he knows it. Now it's about protecting these kids because the kids didn't do anything.

SPEAKER_00 45:59

He didn't know Anakin, you know, he thought Anakin was dead. That was the beauty of that that Obi-Wan show when they reveal you know when when Riva reveals that you know Anakin's alive, he got scared shitless.

Pacifism Versus Death Watch Reality

SPEAKER_06 46:09

Such a good show, such a good show. I it anyway. We're gonna talk about Kenobi. I can't wait to get to that series um because it's so good, it's so good, and a lot of people didn't like it, but all right, don't talk about it. Okay, okay, okay. All right, moving on, moving on, moving on. Um, so one thing that this arc showed us was that it was there was a lot of like systemic failure in this arc, you know. We saw the failure of pure pacifism, we saw the failure of you know the pure warrior state. Um, we also see um a bit of failure, maybe on the part of the Jedi. So one thing I wanted to ask. So let's talk about the passive pacifist part of it. Was Sateen's vision ever really truly viable to maintain neutrality and pure pacifism in a galaxy that's divided by war? Was it feasible? Sherry, what do you think? Because I know this is it was a hot button topic for you when we were.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

But I mean, I I gotta think about it in in the grand scheme because of where she's at in that system. No, it's not sustainable. Um, is that what I want for the real world? Yes, yeah, pure peace.

SPEAKER_06 47:27

But we don't have anybody that's gonna be attacking our planet. So I think that uh you know, for on a planetary scale, could we have peace?

SPEAKER_01 47:33

Sure, but it does suck for them because they are. I mean, those people were just living their yeah, best lives, and like you said, they were thriving. You and they were thriving, everything was fine, and now you got these assholes that come in to disturb the peace. It's like seriously, why go somewhere else? There's a war through the whole galaxy. Won't you go? There's enough planets, apparently. So I don't know why they you know, old boy was like, Oh, this is my we gotta be Mandalorian warrior race and blah blah blah. No, you don't. No, you obviously you don't because the people there are great. It was like a utopia, so but in in the grand scheme, obviously that's gonna happen. Yeah, you know, there's gotta be balance between good and bad, and in everything you watch and and all those things, so very true.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

I I think it was interesting. I don't uh uh thinking about this and kind of going off on a different branch. I liked this part of this theme you're talking about because it really exemplifies the split between Sateen and Bo Katan. Yes, and it wasn't even know that's a thing we're sick when Obi-Wan real figured out that she's the sister who teams up with the terrorist organization Death Watch opposing her own sister.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

I my my I remember when that first air, my first thought was okay, what went wrong within the family that you know if 15 was like the the oldest, the the the the heir. I I'm a big frozen fan. I always like to think of the the air and the spare. I I want to know what emotional damage in Bo Katan's life because you know when you first see we first meet her, she's a little bit of a bitch. A little bit, oh a little bit, a little bit, and and and you're like, okay, you you couldn't even like back your family, you know, and and we'll see and you see when you see a Mandalore Mandalorian, you know, she had deep resentment to a lot of the traditions of Mandalore, you know, the the ceremony, the the theatrics of it. And I and uh which just brought me back to watching her on originally on Clone Wars, going, okay, what went wrong in that sister dynamic or that family in general, you know, where the spared just broke away and joined a biker gang of Mandalorian warriors that was there to topple the government because you know, again, it's that passive complete pacifist versus complete warriorslash warlord. Let's let's be real. Pre-Visla was not looking to rule Mandalore for the betterment of his society, he wanted to be top dog, he did, and he wanted to use that power to to conquer other systems.

SPEAKER_06 50:26

He wanted to bring back that essentially Mandalorians are the Klingons of Star Wars, yeah. And and and I think that's exactly what what pre-Viesla wanted for Mandalore again to be, and they and at one point it it they Mandalorians were that dominant force in the galaxy, you know.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

So I think she went in that direction because how you said it, there had to be a balance, there should be a military power on the planet, even with peace. So I think she went into it thinking maybe I can make the change within. Not saying she even hated her sister at all. That might not even be the case. I think the case is I let me see if I can, you know, I know she did some bad shit, but um, you have to do some bad shit sometimes when you're on that side.

SPEAKER_00 51:15

So, but I think she was just trying to make it balance, and and notice you know, even she didn't agree, you know, when she said when Maul won the duel and immediately claims the th the throne, you know, the whole point of being a man Mandalorian isn't that some outsider is gonna rule our planet, we're gonna rule our planet, right? And you saw that Maul was playing their system against them just as much as pre-visla wanted to use Maul and Savage and their crime lore, you know, as muscle to basically win me the planet, and the rest I don't care about, right?

SPEAKER_06 51:53

Right, and then we see you know, Sherry, like you said, that that switch flipped in in Bo, you know.

SPEAKER_01 52:00

Oh yeah, you saw that flip switch, like, oh, this isn't what I signed up for. This wasn't no.

SPEAKER_06 52:06

I think Bo and Bo and Sateen were were just opposites of the same coin, they both wanted what was best for Mandalore, yes, they had different ways of achieving it. But I do think that ultimately, and I'm curious to know what you guys think too. Ultimately, had let's say Maul wasn't in the picture and pre-Viesla was able to take over Mandalore and maybe imprison Satine. I think that eventually the two sisters would have would have come to common ground and potentially been able to rule together, you know, overthrow Visa because he's a fucking dick and a crybaby. And a well he's dead. He's dead. Well, yeah, he's dead now.

SPEAKER_01 52:42

Spoiler alert.

SPEAKER_06 52:44

Um, I don't know. Do you guys think that that that Bo and Sateen could have worked it out and maybe ruled together? Like maybe maybe Bo Katan could have been the the leader of you know Mandalore's armies, and you know, Satine could have handled all that ugly political bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

Yeah, I think I think you make a great point there. I think with the benefit of hindsight and foresight and knowing what happens in the future. I think like you said, I think Bo is dedicated to her people and to the planet, she just doesn't want to do it in a pacifist way, right? And I totally get that. Um, now I mean we I we've joked about this before with pre-Vizla being a little bitch and how he you know should have lost the dark saber to Obi-Wan, should have lost the dark saber to Ahsoka. Um, but apparently there's a rule that you actually have to declare to be a duel for it to matter, uh, which I guess they should have known. Uh and I think eventually that's where it would have gone. Is I think Bo eventually would have challenged Vizla and taken control of Death Watch and then worked with the team to say, okay, listen, we're not gonna be this terrorist organization, but you do need uh like I mean, I'm sorry, in in this in this galaxy, you do need a defense force, yeah, you do need an army, and if Bo can lead the army and your sister can lead the people, it can work.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

Yeah, it would have worked, I think so.

SPEAKER_03 54:21

I agree, I agree.

Republic Paralysis Plus Hondo Praise

SPEAKER_06 54:23

So finally, about about this arc, we'll we'll wrap this up unless I you know, and if we have any other other final thoughts, we'll get to those of course. Um so what if anything does this arc reveal about um the weaknesses of the republic, uh especially as we are leading into Revenge of the Sith. You know, we're seeing that the Jedi are basically kind of politically powerless. No one was willing to go and help Mandalore because it wasn't the republic's enemy who was attacking them. It was it wasn't the separatists going after Mandalore, it was an internal struggle. All and and you know what Kiadi Mundi had said it. He said, you know, the council isn't gonna do anything because they're neutral, we're not gonna send resources to defend a neutral system. We've asked Mandalore to join the republic, they're not gonna do it, you know. Obviously, this is all you know the the machinations of Palpatine. This is everything is all these strings are being pulled by Palpatine. But you know, even before Palpatine, I feel like even under like Chancellor Valorum, you know, previous to Palpine, there was still this this bureaucracy, you know, and Padme said it, you know, she said, you know, I you know, we're not gonna be bogged down in a committee while my people are suffering and dying, you know. So do are we seeing that failure here again? Or were the Jedi and the Republic, you know, the Senate were they right to not commit resources to this battle on Mandalore? What do you guys think? Tony?

SPEAKER_02 56:06

So I this is a complicated question. Like I think pre-the Republic Separatist War, I think absolutely they would have gotten involved. But the minute that war broke out and they became and they effectively became no longer a peacekeeping force, but a but you know, commanders and generals of one side's army, like just by that definition, they were forced into this position of like, and we've already seen it, how how strung out they are among the galaxy, and how badly they are having, you know, how how difficult these these this war has been against separatists because there's just the the numbers are just so great against them that they can't afford to do that. Now, uh, that's a flaw of I would say that's a flaw of the republic, but it's also part of Palpatine's plan. So I mean it it's it's failure by design, yeah, and it's it's a failure of the council to not recognize that potential, and ultimately just kind of a consequence of a protracted war.

SPEAKER_06 57:20

You don't have the resources, yeah. And Sherry, what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 57:24

Um I don't know, I'm on the fence with it. Yeah, I mean, I kind of agree they are neutral, they chose not to want that help. Um, so I kind of agree with it because that was an internal struggle. Now, when Darth Maul, you know, came into the picture.

SPEAKER_06 57:47

Uh because Darth Maul is an enemy of the state, he is an enemy of the state. Right. I I think uh maybe they probably could, but then Palpatine said, No, fuck this this mall dude.

SPEAKER_01 57:58

Well, well, Palpatine, you know, is you know, obviously bad guy, so he doesn't give a shit. You know, he's like, Yeah, dude, just let them take care of themselves. And he probably and he knew Obi was gonna go, and like you said before, one of somebody said um, you know, they thought Obi-Wan was just gonna take care of it again, right? Um, with Maul.

SPEAKER_06 58:19

So let me and Sherry, let me ask you this because you are you are a really big Star Trek fan, and I think you could definitely draw some parallels here between the Republic on the Star Wars side and like the Federation uh in Star Trek, you know, because we see it, we see a lot of those themes in Star Trek as well, where it's like, well, you're not your planet isn't part of the Federation, so there's always some kind of like weird political shit going on in terms of like helping out this particular species or this particular planet.

SPEAKER_01 58:52

Well, they'll help any species, it's when weapons come involved in in into play. That's the only time they they don't, you know, the the prime what is it, the prime directive um comes into play, but normally they'll help them.

SPEAKER_06 59:06

I mean, they've helped planets that are supposed to explode naturally from you know uh whatever, yeah, or word time anomalies, and it's it's always like at the discretion of the captain of the enterprise.

SPEAKER_00 59:23

Did you ever notice Captain Kirk who's directive is uh we won't interfere with other civilizations unless your space god mountain rock thingy is in the way, then we're gonna blow it up, and then you all depend for yourselves. And oops, I'm uh we're out, we're off to the next planet to interfere with their society as quickly as possible.

SPEAKER_01 59:43

Yeah, I think with Earth, with Earth, it is a utopia, so it's fine. Um, so they've they've done that there, but then they go out to try to help the rest of the people. So it's a I I like Star Trek because of that, because they're actually trying to go out and help other civil civilizations. Um, granted, that doesn't always happen, and sometimes they come into some, you know, yeah, um, you know, they get into they they hit some bumps along the way, but um, but for the most part, they're trying to help and and and keep. But my issue is is like, okay, so they save that planet, but what other species didn't come didn't didn't come because of them saving that planet, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:26

So maybe that planet was supposed to be destroyed, and then another race always that ripple, that domino effect, like you it's the whole time and that's why that's why the prime directive is there, so you don't create those ripples weird there, those ripples and those paragraphs, yeah, and then then section what is it, section 51 or 31?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:48

31 or I haven't seen the new one. I think it's section 31.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:51

Yeah, it's section 31. They used to they were actually in control of like time, so they would come and and talk. Yeah, you you you did some time travel, you temporal anomalies and shit and all that.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:03

Oh time travel, yeah. Like you had said, it's like with the with that prime directive, it's always it's it's like like we saw in Pirates of the Caribbean with the with the code, the pirates code, it's more of guidelines than actual rules, exactly. It's a guideline depending on the captain, but like I think the strictest one was probably Picard, but even he was he would stretch Cisco, I think, was very oh Cisco's strict about stuff, and I even more so that Picard would be uh more philosophical and and uh scholarly about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:38

Yeah, but Cisco just didn't care. No, no, he when they made him into like uh they wanted him to be this prophet of theirs. It's like for the longest time he fought that because he's like, Look, man, I'm a I'm a I'm here for Starfleet, I'm here for this thing, and it that listen, D Space Nine is my favorite, so I love me some Cisco.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:00

You know, we should probably do it. We should do a Star Trek podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:03

Well, and and going back to the Jedi thing, wars, we're about all the stars. I I think the problem is the the Jedi are are wrapped up in the bureaucracy of the republic, which is Palpatine's plaything right now. Oh, yeah, and you know, because again, any you know uh on the one side you say okay, I um you you're you're glad the republic isn't just unilaterally deciding we're gonna invade our neighbor to the north because we need their stuff, or we don't want them to join the separatists, so we're gonna invade them first. You know, we're not doing anything stupid like that, but at the same time, when you see somebody in a culture in trouble, and remember Obi-Wan was actually shocked and amazed when Maul sprung that trap on the platform and they came walking out of the smoke. You know, they thought this was just Death Watch being Death Watch, and then all of a sudden, oh wait, not you, you're not supposed to be here. So I think the problem was the Jedi saw the issue the situation on Mandalore as a Mandalorian against Mandalore problem, right? So they wouldn't get involved. If you start getting and and Palpatine, you know, was dismissing Maul and Savage as just petty crooks and they're dealing with the rabble, and we we completely skip the fact that you know Honda, he they even per could for a time, you know, some of Hondo's men were gonna betray him, and the when the coin and and and Hondo just shrugged it. You know, he's like, Oh, they're they're not my men anymore, you know. And then when the situation changes, he welcomes right them right back in.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:42

Because he said he's out of them. Hondo is the epitome of I'm gonna say, I don't even know how to put it, like good versus bad. He's that balance. He is that like he himself is the balance, his own. He's like, whatever. I mean, he'll do whatever you gotta do, and then I'll be here when you get back. Like, just bring me some treasure and we're good to go. What did he say? I never I've never lost.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:15

Yeah, he's like, I've faced I've faced other light sword wielding maniacs, and I'm never lost, you know. And right, and he but he didn't. I mean, he lost some stuff, but he didn't lose.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:27

But he got back, he got back that cargo ship full of weapons, that that safe full of credits was still there. Yeah, so he ended up coming out on top. He gained through this. He lost men, but he could buy some more men. He doesn't care about that. Well, the men they chose. I mean, there you go. And he he delivered Hondo delivered the best line. A couple of in this arc, a couple really, but the best line is when Maul is like, you'll pay for your insolence, and he was like, Ha ha, insolence, we're pirates, we don't even know what that means. I was like, Hondo, you sexy bitch, and then Obi-Wan was like, Yes, I cut one of them in half before he's like, Oh, isn't that interesting? And he just walks away. Yeah, he didn't cut them in half. Don't come, I don't give a fuck about your stories, Obi-Wan. I'm going to collect my treasure. Love Hondo. I love Hondo. I want Hondo in live action. Um God, that was speaking of love. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:29

Uh so I did see a thing over the last week that um that that the voice actor who plays Hondo uh confirmed that they that they had done some motion capture of his face for some upcoming project. Oh, we're gonna get him.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:45

It's happening.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:47

Oh, interesting, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:50

And Jim Cummings just brings so much to that character just with his voice.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:55

Just what if we saw him in Andor?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:59

Oh.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:00

Oh, this new season of Andor, he would be perfectly placed there, helping out this, you know, this this this infant republic or this infant rebellion. You know, they've got to turn to shady characters to get weapons and and and money and you know credits and ships and things. Who better to help facilitate that? Oh, Hondo. Oh my god. Oh, fingers crossed for Hondo live action and or season two. And if it doesn't happen, I'll be disappointed. But or or Hondo in season two of Skeleton Crew. We need that. I mean, we we need that. That'd be interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:38

I'm surprised he wasn't in I am too the pirate universe there. I mean, that's he should have but he is on his planet, he wasn't on a space station, so a black spire doing his thing there.

Darksaber Fallout And Jedi Combat Notes

SPEAKER_06 1:06:48

So he's cheating out of galaxies edge chilling, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:51

And and visually, can we just talk for a second about going back to the Mandalore set that that scene when Obi-Wan the doors open and it's just red Mandos fighting blue Mandos and Obi-Wan's there and battle?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:03

That's that whole yes, and that's not the last time we're gonna see Mandalore under Steve under siege. So very shortly we're gonna be experiencing the night of a thousand tears. Oh, but you want to talk about an interaction between two characters. I think all of this takes place during Order 66, but there's an interaction. I'm not gonna spoil it. There's an interaction between two characters that is just so weighted. And I don't want to say heavy because it that that implies it's a bad thing, it's just such a weighted scene, it's such an important scene. I can't wait. All right, so uh also a special rest in peace to Adi Galia. She has to go on the Wall of Remembrance because damn the way she went out getting skewered by Savage O'Press and then the final lightsaber coup de gras.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:04

That was crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:04

That was crazy. She was a great Jedi, too. I mean, she she tried, she she held her own, but it was interesting because I we saw Obi-Wan pick up on like when she she went to sweep his knee and her leg just stopped because Savage is you know just a big motherfucker. But Obi-Wan kept attacking that knee, so he was aware that you know she started to do something, and she he carried through with that and was able to cripple that guy. But but Adi, oh my god, that poor thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:35

I mean and and it says a lot about Obi-Wan as a Jedi, as a warrior, you know, to not just uh fight fend off, he held his own against the the Maul brothers, he did, yeah, yeah. And you know, and at full speed, you know, they had him outnumbered, outbladed, and and it it kind of shows you later how people I remember people used to come complain how could Obi-Wan take on Grievous when he breaks out all four of his it's like he's fought two Sith brothers at the same time, you know, alone and almost one, yeah. They ran so and and and and had a strategy, like you said, you know, it's constantly attacking that knee. Um, I also found interesting the fact that you know we know Savage is magically enhanced and he gets uh his arm ripped, you know, shot off by Hondo's pirates and get get a cybernetic replacement. Maul's legs get damaged, so we you know the legs got up had to be upgraded, so he's more functional now. You know, the the the spring-loaded legs was kind of cool for uh a little while, but I I like that they found a way to kind of make mall function more normal.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:49

But yeah, and and you bring up a good point too about them being magically enhanced. They're they're not just you know these these Sith. I don't I've never really thought of Savage as Sith, but you know, they're they're not just enhanced and powerful in the dark side of the force, they've also got a little magic boost in them as well. I mean, so that's gotta make them doubly difficult to deal with. And Obi-Wan handles his business. Obi-Wan handles his fucking business, and I think people forget because he's so nice and he's so charming that I think we forget just how powerful he is, and I don't forget, he's he's a badass, he's a badass, and you even mentioned he might have he might have tapped in the dark side a little bit once.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:33

Oh, he does. I think he does. I I really do kind of like Mace Windu, like Mace, yeah, he's the deal. But um, I mean, I think you have to dealing with the Sith. I mean, you you have to know where to cut it off, is the is the thing, and obviously he does, right? But again, his love, yeah, and get killed. Oh my god, there's no way in hell he didn't have some choke. Oh, he would oh he he would have ripped them apart too. I think he's just as powerful as Anakin. I mean, I think he can be anyway. Um so yeah, it it took a lot of him to not turn, but I think it's because she knew she was like, Don't do it, right? Like she knew he would he would have done it for her.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:22

You're right, you're absolutely right.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:26

Again, it always goes back to balance, you know, because if the Jedi were taught, you know, again, the the way that Mace taps into the dark side to to be powerful, if the Jedi were able to use some of that dark side energy and learn where that cutoff point is, they would be even more powerful.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:46

Well, I think he could use not anger, like he loved her, so I think he could pull that, he could use that love energy. Do you know what I'm saying? It's kind of like like I said before, like I we mentioned this the other day, like monsters inc. Yeah, you know, they use screams to get energy, but then when they found out laughter was more potent, right? So I'm not I'm not saying he wouldn't be mad, I'm not saying it's a funny thing, but you know, I think he could they could tap into that.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:15

But that anger, that anger that well for him it was sadness. I mean, I don't know. I don't even think it was anger for OBL. I think it was just deep, very real sadness, and that that comes from love, that springs from love, of course.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:29

You know, it's kind of you're almost getting into the what's the difference between empathy versus anger. You know, you could how many times do we see things in the world? Those those sad little puppies you watch on those ASBCA commercials, and you get you know, my first thought is I don't I don't want to pay$19 a month. I'll I'll pay I'll pay whatever you want, just let me at whoever hurt the puppy or the kitty. Yeah, and and that's empathy. That's that's anger in a way, but it's it's more directed at protecting another. You know, there's a difference between focusing your anger for your own self-interest as opposed to directing your your emotions to help, and that's what the Jedi are supposed to be about. And I think we see in other shows like Acolyte and Clone Wars, they've sort of gotten away from that, they got wrapped up in almost their own mantras of detachment when really you know Annika used it as a flirting talking point, but you know sometimes, you know, it's you know, to to love something is to be connected to it and and and want to care about it. And I think sometimes good people need to get a little angry.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:39

You're right, you're right. You're right. And speaking, speaking of of flirting, maybe it's just me. I don't know, but there was a scene where you know they were they were breaking they were breaking Obi-Wan out of jail. Well, he hadn't even gotten into the jail yet, but you know, book tan, and you know, and she was like, Hey, have you ever used one of these before? Put the jetpack on him. He's like, No, but I'm a fast learner. And he takes off, and she does this little thing where she like brushes her hair behind her ear while she's looking at Obi-Wan. Now, I maybe I'm reading into that a little bit too much.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:13

My sister's body's not even cold in your I'm just saying, I mean she's this was the first womp, womp, womp, womp.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:26

I don't know. I think no, I think she was concerned about him because of her sister. Did she know? Did she even knew? Come on, I they were alienated for a long time. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:40

Well, that's I don't know for sure because it was before all that.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:44

I think she was impressed that a outsider, like a especially Mandalorians and Jedi, are supposedly not supposed to be able to mix, right? Right, and for him to pick up how to use a jetpack like that so effortlessly. I think that was more it wasn't a hairbrush like smirk of like oh he's hot. It was oh, he's catching on.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:03

I don't know. Ladies generally do that whole no, that's just no, but I mean, we have to admit Obi-Wan is is is a cutie pie now on his best day, but when he's also armored up, wearing some Mandalorian armor, he's got on his car, he's already hot, he's already the galaxy's boyfriend, but now he's armored up. Maybe it's just me. Maybe it maybe I think it's just you might be. That's all right. I you know what I admit it freely. Thank you very much. And I need Sideshow to come out with a Mandalorian armored Obi-Wan Kenobi, please.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:43

Oh, and and can we even just for a second talk? Look, how fast did Maul just completely usurp the uh the death watch and the mandalore that within uh you know days, whatever it was? Yeah, they all painted his their armor to match his look.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:59

Yeah, but we don't know how long how how much time has elapsed, but it wasn't a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:03

I mean, how long would you know Satine be would they have held her after you know taking over the government, yeah, without killing her? I mean, well, I have a feeling that transition happened. There's somewhere Sabine Ren was going, damn, that's a quick paint job.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:19

Well, I think was it uh is it Gar Saxon? Is he the one that put the horns on his helmet?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:24

Yeah, he's uh supposed to be the one he's the one with the horns. Is that I think we'll see him later on.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:30

We'll see him later.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:31

I think that that that might have taken a while, but at the same time, one thing that we did see in Rebels was how quickly and easily it is to spray paint things, you know, thanks to Sabine. Sabine always, she's like shh done. She'll put out like a full fucking Banksy type size mural up in like a matter of seconds with like this little aerosol can that looks like an inhaler. So I think these Joes, these Joes could probably, and a lot of it looks like it was hand painted anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:59

So they were like look how fast Boba repainted. Yeah, I don't know. As soon as he got his armor out of uh Mando's ship, he already had that thing like, okay, I got you know, I gotta touch up the green, gotta paint.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:12

Yeah, he's trying to look good. He's trying to look good.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:14

Every customer in the five in the 50 versus Mando Mercs is going, Bullshit.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:19

But I'm sure I'm sure Maul probably sent out an email saying, you know, is that what it is? I mean, this is our new color scheme. We're under new management now. I'm gonna need to repaint the armor. I'm gonna need that that red, black, and and white. Uh, we're gonna need that by tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:38

And if it's not done, and who's the armorer for all these people?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:42

Well, I'm sure that's up in the air. Like, right, yeah, we know I mean, I'm just thinking, is there two?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:48

One for the good side, one for the bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:49

I mean, I do know that uh in in previous arcs of previous episodes of the show, we've seen on Concordia they've got a whole armor mill. They do. Let's just crank the chat out.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:59

They do so and and currently, currently on Mandalore, the forges are still active. We don't see them because it's a pacifist community, you know. But but we've got there has to be right now on Mandalore, there has to be other warriors wearing Beskar armor who are not part of Death Watch. There are other and and that's another yeah, they probably kept up some of the traditions, I would assume. That's a to me, that was kind of like a shortcoming uh because we're seeing the only like Mandalorian, you know, we we see Mandalorians the people, but as far as like the warrior cast with the with the armor, the only ones that we see are the Death Watch, the quote unquote bad guys. But there had to have been others who weren't involved with Death Watch. And then we I mean we know through the the the Mandalorian TV series that the Mandal that the Death Watch splits and you know Dinjarin's you know culvert becomes more more deeply ingrained in the faith, you know, and then you know that's a very evangelical Mandalorian. It is, yeah, very, very much so, very much so.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:11

So that's probably what was happening. I mean, they're they're on the planet, so I mean it's a pretty big planet, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:17

So they probably had their religious well they they scale uh on Mandalorian. They they they you know when she tells the story of Bo Katan and to Denj, you know, they were on Concordia Dawn, yeah, they were on a moon when the you know the the attack happened, which is why they survived. So there are Mandalorians not on Mandalore right even now, and they're all spread out throughout the galaxy, too.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:43

I mean, there's there's thousands of Mandalorians out there just you know causing some trouble, you know, doing again, you know, they're like the Klingons of Star Wars, so they're just out there doing the deal and having a good time doing it. So I love Mandalorian culture, I love Mandalorian, and I just think that they're awesome, and I want to see more of them, and I'm very happy. But it's also very, very sad. All of this stuff is very, very sad, it's very tragic. I do also want to know, like, I I am not crash, you might be aware. Um what happens? Do we know what happens to the darksaber at this point?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:18

Because Maul Well, Maul's got it.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:22

And we I think did he did he get it? Did he get it after Palpatine got done barbecuing him? Did he take it back?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:30

I don't I don't remember him. Yeah, like because there was this whole stretch, there's a comic that sort of explains trying to explain that Maul finds out he's actually uh the the the night sister that we see um what's her name?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:47

Mama Cass.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:49

Mama Talzin.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:50

Mama Tals.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:51

Mother Talzan. I think she was literally supposed to be his mother.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:58

And and that was sort of played out. And and but yeah, you know, when Palpatine literally defeats him, you know, they they were fighting with their red sabers. So the I guess the dark saber would still be on Mandalore.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:13

Well, he he used it. He used it when they were fighting Palpatine. Um he had both, he had a redhead. He had he had Maul had his saber, his the what was left of his original double-sided saber, and he had the dark saber, and he fought Palpatine with them.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:27

But I think and again he's not interested in in the lore of Mandalore, the legend of the stuff, so he doesn't care.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:34

Right, that's what Sherry said. Sherry said that she he he probably just fucking left it there, he doesn't care. But the next time we see it, if I'm not mistaken, I think the next time we see the dark saber is in Rebels.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:43

Yes, yeah, and and Moll had collected it. He had a little he even had a little shrine of uh Satane's mural in his like lair on Dathymir. So he collected the sword, he collected all these some relics from when he ruled Mandalore, and and he just kept it the entire time.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:00

So after done, you know, getting barbecued by Palpy, he probably just picks it up and goes off and does whatever he's gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:07

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:08

So it stays in his possession. Okay, yeah. That's cleared up. All right, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:12

According to according to Star Wars wiki, yes, um, Maul after after his battle against uh Sidious was imprisoned in the spire. After he was after he got freed, he returned to Zanbar, which is the location of a Death Watch camp, but was given back the Darksaber, which had been recovered from the palace where he'd had that battle.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:33

Oh so his loyalists had it and they gave it to him when he got back. Although by Mandalorian law, he should not have it well, they didn't they would have they would have given it to him because he did you know they didn't defeat him in combat, and and they're not gonna give it to Palpatine.

Homework, Shout-Outs, And Farewell

SPEAKER_06 1:22:48

No, no, and Balpin, like he just left it there, he doesn't give a shit. Yeah, no, he doesn't need that. All right, so that was a great arc. That was a great arc. Um next up, so this is gonna be your homework, uh, episodes 17, 18, 19, and 20. That's gonna be the end of the season. Um, and oh boy, oh boy, does this one uh does this one end? Oof. Sherry, you're gonna be mad. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna tell you right now, you're gonna the way that this turn, because it's gonna this is not a Scooby-Doo ending. You are gonna be angry. Um, you are gonna we're gonna probably have to purchase a new television because you're gonna throw something at it, gonna beat it up. Or you will just say, fuck Star Wars, I'm not gonna watch it anymore. But you gotta continue watching because things get I don't have to do shit. You don't have to do shit because you are you are sherry with uh you are as one Y, but they're not what you think. All right. So this coming up arc is great. Again, just more heartache. Like like we talked about at the beginning of this season. Just just have your tissues just on standby because it's just you're just gonna get continuously choked up. This art coming up is still so good. Um, but it's just so so painful. So please, please, please watch it and join us uh next time. 17, 18, 19, and 20. We're gonna be talking about that. Hopefully, um, if all goes well, we'll be doing it live again. So join us live for that um on Friday night. Um, and before we head out, of course, we have to do our obligatory pimping as we do. Check us out on all social media at the SWS show. Be sure to subscribe to the podcast on your favorite podcast platform and our YouTube channel. Uh, and if you'd like some merch, head on over to the website, circle of nerds.com slash merch and get you one of these fine t-shirts or hoodies or whatever. Beautiful shirt. There you go, beautiful, very comfortable. Uh, it's not sweat wicking though, because my back is like super sweating.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:47

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SPEAKER_06 1:24:48

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SPEAKER_02 1:25:32

Uh I got a couple of quick shout-outs for a couple of the voice actors. Yes, yes, please. Uh, first off, um, he only literally, I think I had one line, uh, but the original leader of uh of Black Sun before he got uh ended, yes, very quickly. Uh the voice actor there was a was a guy by the name of Keith Michael Richardson. I only know that because I recognized voice immediately is that of Captain Gantu from uh from Lilo and Stitch. Oh okay. That just that made me laugh. Um also um uh you know an RP to Ian Abercrombie, uh the original voice of Sidious uh Palpatine.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:14

There's one there's one moment in this episode, I'm sorry, uh, where you hear they had do some extra dialogue and they brought in Tim Curry to fill in for Ian, and there's just it's very distinct. And you can if you know enough Tim Curry, you go, Oh, that was an add-on later. But it just again for such a great palpatine moment for Clone War, it really was a gut punch, just knowing that we lost the that voice at it was his that was his last role.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:43

It was, it was. And how about Tim Curry as Palpatine? Tim Curry would have made a great palpatine, like live action, too. Like Tim Curry is another one who just do no wrong. I mean, the guy is just so good.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:58

You have any other ones to uh no, that was it.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:02

All right, all right, thank you, Tony. All right, so uh that is gonna do it. Thank you, everyone, and of course, thank you so much for tuning in this week. And uh all as always, a very special thanks to all of our active duty military members and veterans for their service and sacrifice. So, tip of the hat to you always, Sherry. Thank you for your service, Air Force veteran, air power, air power. There we go. That's why that's why you're able to keep things so organized and level-headed when we do the show. Because that's right. It's an Air Force life, right? That air time, right? You gotta keep the plane straight. Oh, wait, I didn't fly a plane. That's all right. You helped the people that did. So I sure did. So that's you, you know what? You did your part. You did more than your part. You helped, you know, you're you were a hero helping heroes. How fucking cool is that? That's true. You know what I mean? So I love them all. There you go. There you go. All right. So thanks everybody, and as always, remember our mighty star warriors. If no one does anything nice for you, do something nice to yourself, and we'll see y'all next time. Bye.