Come For Blasters, Stay For The Ethics Debate

Andor Season 2 pushes Star Wars into the messy reality of life under the Empire, and we dig into why that feels both powerful and uncomfortable.

This week on Star Wars: SafeSpace, we break it all down:

•  Reactions to the Star Wars Zero Company trailer and what the squad setup suggests 
•  Why turn-based strategy and customization could make the story hit harder 
•  Galaxy’s Edge talk and how modern Star Wars rides are starting to feel like video games 
• Revenge of the Sith 20-year anniversary and what that era meant to fans 
•  Why Andor’s slower pace fits its political thriller tone 
•  The controversial scene everyone is debating and whether it was necessary or responsibly handled 
•  Why the claim “Vader wouldn’t tolerate it” misses the point of the Empire 
•  How Andor uses social commentary through visas, raids, propaganda, and genocide planning 
•  Whether Disney should include content warnings and support resources 
•  Mon Mothma’s isolation and the cost of building the Rebellion 
•  What we’re watching for with Luthen, Saw Gerrera, and the road to Rogue One 
•  Clone Wars Season 6 preview as the beginning of the endgame 

This isn’t outrage. This is a deeper Star Wars conversation.

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Transcript

Cold Open And Spoiler Warning

SPEAKER_03 0:00

The clone wars are coming to an end, and or's heating up, and we've got our own Star Wars theories about sexual assault. Just going for it. Why not? A little bit more this week on your Star Wars safe space. Stick around. Hey, there we go. Hey there, Star Warriors. Welcome to Star Wars Safe Space, your non-toxic low-stoding Star Wars show that doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that George Lucas originally wanted Yoda be to be played by a trained monkey wearing a mask and carrying a cane.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

What could possibly go wrong?

SPEAKER_03 0:52

Thank you, Frank Oz, for showing up. We appreciate you because damn, that would have been awful. So whether you're a hardcore Star Wars fan or just a little swarzy curious, this is your Star Wars safe space. We are the circle of nerds, and we do indeed love Star Wars, even if we don't always like it. So let's go around the room and meet the cast, shall we? So to my left, your right star of stage and screen. It is the sensational Sherry. Hey, glad to be here, everybody.

SPEAKER_05 1:25

Ready to talk to some Star Wars.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

Yeah, yeah, you are. And captain of the infamous Parma Flyer, it's Crash.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Everybody been through a long season. Let's lock those S-foils and get at it.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

Man, it has kind of been a long season, hasn't it? A roller coaster for sure. And hailing from Parts Unknown, it's T to the Oni. Oni, Oni, Oni. Welcome back to the Galaxy, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

Let's get it going.

Zero Company Trailer First Reactions

SPEAKER_03 1:53

All righty. Good to go, good to go. So, what are we doing here? Well, uh, we are on a mission to watch all of the Star Wars TV shows and films in chronological order, breaking them down, connecting the dots, and learning a little bit more about Star Wars and maybe even a little bit about ourselves. So, it would be warning to all you Star Warriors out there, there will be spoilers. And uh today we might have some spoilers about Andor season two. So uh be prepared for that. Um, but before we get into any of this, should we run this trailer? Because Tony, you found that trailer crash, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Have you seen I I saw it when it dropped at Star Wars Celebration, and I I don't play a lot of games, but I was intrigued by the concept. So let's take a look and yeah, we can talk about it on the other end.

SPEAKER_03 2:49

All right, cool. Sherry, have you seen this yet? It's the uh it's the trailer for uh Star Wars Zero Company.

SPEAKER_05 2:58

I'm gonna say no, but you never know.

SPEAKER_03 3:00

You never know. You never know. TikTok has a lot of stuff. That's true. You are a you are a TikToker, aren't you? Yes, you are an avid TikToker. Well, watcher. A tick tocker, yes, a tick watcher, I guess. That would be uh yeah. All right, so let's uh let's do the thing. Here it is, here we go.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

The crisis points, planetary invasions, all-out assaults, cities bombed a rubble. Truth is, there's a war you don't see. The one fought in the shadows, the war beneath the war, a war that's won with the right strategy, surveillance, ciphers, good old-fashioned sabotage. These aren't the heroes they tell stories about, they're professionals. Setting aside their differences to take on the impossible, and they get it done.

Turn Based Strategy And Squad Drama

SPEAKER_04 5:36

Okay, okay. Is it a game?

SPEAKER_03 5:40

Okay. Yeah, it's a game.

SPEAKER_05 5:42

Oh I thought it was gonna be a show. I got all excited about it.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

Right. Playing that game. Yeah, like it looks like it could be a really cool show, right? Right. I thought it was a show. I was like, oh, this is kind of cool. No, but it's not it. We we've got uh I haven't I haven't looked into this at all, so just based on what we saw, we've got uh a clone trooper, we've got a Jedi, it looks like we've got what appeared to be an Umbaran. Was that an Umbaran?

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Yeah, I thought the same thing, it is, it is. That's confirmed.

SPEAKER_03 6:17

Okay. Uh two troopers or just the one? Just the one. We had a Mandalorian, the one was uh Mandalorian and some scoundrelly smuggler saboteur looking fella.

SPEAKER_05 6:31

So guys, I don't play those games, all right.

SPEAKER_03 6:34

That's all right. That was it's quite an interesting looking team. Um, I'm sure there's gonna be some banter between that umbaran and the clone trooper.

SPEAKER_04 6:44

So I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

And it's interesting. I I was asking before the show, is this uh uh you know, I have a very limited gaming experience, but it's got a very DD. Uh what was that? Uh turn-based, turn-based, turn based, but even that little game, uh, was it Gauntlet, where you could choose your class, you could be a warrior, a wizard, a barbarian. You are right, yeah, and it's if and you and you play their skill set as best as you can, and you team up with other people playing the other ones. I I it's a very interesting game for people to sort of play to their personalities. If you want to be the sniper, be the sniper kind of a thing.

SPEAKER_03 7:23

Yeah, it looks yeah, it looks like you're yeah, you're gonna pick a class, but it looks like you've got control of all like all was it, five people on the team, I think. So you have control of the entire squad, it looks like, and I don't know if it's gonna be multiplayer or not. Um, we're a to a terrible news source.

SPEAKER_05 7:42

This is don't well, we're really not. I mean, if I thought it was a damn show.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

So the quote unquote main character is a disgraced former Republic officer who's referred to as Hawks, and he is fully customizable. You can determine what his what what his species is, his race, everything.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Which is why he's not on camera because you can personalize him to fit your style.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Okay, that's cool. Specifically says he can be uh between among several different races, including Twilight, Tegruda, or Zabrakian. Oh interesting. Is it multiplayer? It doesn't say that, but my understanding is that it's single player strictly, but like just strictly just you controlling your team and going out and and playing the storyline, all right.

SPEAKER_03 8:28

Um, and very ex-commy looked to yeah, and Cheryl, you've seen that. I've the the with the aliens and the little squad. I've I've played that a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:37

So yeah, so it just yeah, being with you for 33 years. I'm I'm kind of a gamer by uh symbiosis, by osmosis, there, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

Yeah, they also make clear that that at the start of the game, like like you mentioned, there's an umbarn and there's a and there's a you know former clone trooper there, and they make very clear that you know these play, these people are all not going to be friends at the start of this, like yeah, it's up to you to kind of build that and go from there. And the other thing that I'm intrigued by is that this is very um similar to like the old Wing Commander games, where like there's a storyline that you're playing through, but like if you fail certain missions, it like it pretty much screws you over where you can't get to necessarily the best ending because you've you're just down that path now. You lost this particular section, you can't go back.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

Oh all right, so there's some high stakes there. Those were good games too. The wing commander games were really fun. Yeah, back in the day. So I don't know. I crash, you said you're not you said you're not much of a gamer. Is this is this something you might play?

SPEAKER_01 9:40

I I I'm not much of a gamer because I don't have a lot of time to commit to a game, but yeah, like I I was big on the original Battlefront and Battlefront 2 back in the day, but once they moved everything into like online where you had to team up with whoever was on you know on the internet at the time. Um, I just want to sit in a tower and and snipe scout troopers in the head or fly X-Wings. You know, I I got my thing. I and the thing I like about this game is it looks like you can choose, you know, how they were saying you it's a strategy thing, you know, you position your your team in the way you want, and then uh you know, actually so you may be you're not stuck being just one character throughout the thing, you sort of have control over what the whole team does.

SPEAKER_03 10:25

Yeah, it's very much like like you had said earlier, it's very much like uh like chess, it's very much like a chess game. So you set your pieces up, you uh you try to strategize where you want to move them and and hope for the best. And so yeah, so if it's anything, if it's anything like uh like XCOM, there was a uh there was the fog of war feature on that. So as you're you know, with XCOM was essentially aliens are invading the earth and you're you have control over this like this crack team of of alien hunters, you know, to the planet, you know, but it was cool. It's like like Tony had said, you know, that with these guys you get to customize each squad member. So when you lose one, it you feel it, you're like, oh man, that was that was Ray Jones, man. I've I've I've run him for 17 missions, he was a veteran, he got taken out. But so I don't know if that's the case with this since you've got like a set you've got like a set crew. Um I don't know. I think it looks kind of interesting. Looks more like it was like a mobile game than something I'd play on console, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:35

And and then the interesting thing is as we've seen watching Clone Wars, Dave has built up such a world where you could do a side story like like you know, it kind of mentions you know, these aren't the stories that get told, you know, about the Clone War. There's so much uh you know, under branching of of storylines that you could do with characters like this and let the fans sort of build up the lore behind the Clone Wars uh off show.

SPEAKER_03 12:01

Yeah, yeah. Like I would love to like Sherry was saying, I would love to see this as a series. Yeah, I was waiting to see a Disney Plus logo pop up at the end.

SPEAKER_05 12:11

I know, right? I was like, oh, it's a game.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

Yeah, it's like uh what was oh my god, I'm so bad with this. Um my brain is just shot anyway, but the uh oh my god, the uh the game with uh was it Jedi Order or or Old Republic? I think it was the old republic with the with Darth Malgus in it.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

Oh right. Nights of the old republic.

Galaxy's Edge Tech And Trip Plans

SPEAKER_03 12:39

Nights of the Republic, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the cutscenes for that, like I sat, I've sat and I've watched like people have stitched together all the cutscenes to create this this movie because like the graphics on that were just because that that's an older game that came out quite some time ago, but the the cutscene graphics were next level.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

The level of quality in video game and and and animation graphics, you know, the Millennium Falcon Spoilers Run game is essentially a large video game ride, they just live generate the viewpoint you get from the Falcon. And one of the things they announced in Japan is they're actually adding more maps, they're gonna tie into the Mandalorian Gorogu movie and some of the newer projects where you get into that simulator, and they can put anything out there. You can put up space invaders if you really want to, but they've learned you know the graphics have gotten so good that you could real-time adapt to what the riders you know in on your attraction are doing and make it a giant video game.

SPEAKER_03 13:36

Oh my god. Sherry, we gotta go. Let's go. We gotta we gotta go to Galaxy's Edge, man.

SPEAKER_05 13:43

We gotta save up.

SPEAKER_03 13:45

Yeah, we gotta save a couple of bucks.

SPEAKER_05 13:47

Um, yeah, just a few.

SPEAKER_03 13:49

Just a few. I don't know. Because we're we're gonna try to go to Disneyland next year in October.

SPEAKER_05 13:55

Is that is that yeah, that's the plan next October because then yeah, the last one's graduated and we can go.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

We'll be free. We'll be free of children.

SPEAKER_05 14:07

No, I mean they're coming with us, but do they have to?

SPEAKER_03 14:10

I mean it's Disneyland. What would they possibly be doing? It's great Disneyland.

SPEAKER_05 14:17

At least one of them I can, you know, we can drink what she wants, but I'll drink more than her, but that's okay. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

And I'll and I'll have a scouting report for you because my next set of Crashes Corners is actually I'm going out to Disneyland for Star Wars night, and I'm gonna do a little report from Batu, Galaxy's Edge, and the Star Wars Night event to give you so take notes when I get home. You're gonna love it.

SPEAKER_05 14:40

When are you doing that?

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Uh I'll be out there May 4th for actual Star Wars Day.

SPEAKER_05 14:45

Oh shit, yeah, this year.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

Yep, like coming up. Oh, all right, damn. Like that's around the corner. For real.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

We said we're taking two weeks off. I was like, oh, that fits perfectly in the window. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 14:59

All right, yeah, that's forward to seeing it because right around the corner. Yeah, and they do nightmare because Christmas stuff in October too. So that's the reason I'm I want to go.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

I'll go to Galaxy's Edge, of course, but I've had friends, I have friends out there in California that do that. The they're big on the nightmare before Christmas thing, and they say that the haunted mansion overlay is fantastic, you'll love it.

SPEAKER_05 15:22

Yeah, I'm that's that's like my favorite. Second to Star, or it's that's first before Star Wars. Yeah, my nightmare before Christmas collection is out of control.

Revenge Of The Sith Anniversary Story

SPEAKER_03 15:35

Yeah, just a little bit. Just a little bit. Actually, I don't think it's out of control. I think it's I think it's just right. Um did you know Revenge of the Sith came out today?

SPEAKER_05 15:47

20-year anniversary 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Yeah, can we all just do the Matt Damon aging thing thinking about that?

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Yeah, I'm already old, I don't feel old, so it's like you you said we weren't gonna do it last night, so guess where I went. Uh oh, oh good.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Did you know did you get the Darth Vader popcorn bucket?

SPEAKER_02 16:06

I can answer that question.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Well, anyway, well, he's getting that. I was at our local cinemark with the the fan force chapter and the Rebel Legion 504. You know, that was like at the time we thought this was the end, you know. This was the big every yeah, we we had guys in costumes at doing every TV hit from all the local, you know, everybody sends their their TV crews out to you know take pictures of the nerds in line. We had people banners on in the theaters, we had stormtroopers everywhere. Everybody thought, yeah, you go. And it was like I like I I told somebody in an one interview with me, uh it felt like senior year of high school, where you like you thought this was like your graduation, you're like, you were gonna come on, this was the end of Star Wars, and then a few years later, oh look, we get another trilogy. Cool, I'm back.

SPEAKER_05 17:01

All right, so I was just uh uh going over some of uh oh my god, it actually has the sound.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

Okay, that's cool.

SPEAKER_05 17:11

That is pretty cool.

Andor Season Two Pace And Tone

Sexual Assault Scene And Fandom Backlash

SPEAKER_03 17:12

That is very cool. So let's uh let's take a look at Andor, shall we? And I was just reading a couple of things by uh an individual who shall go unnamed. He is uh one of the people who is uh tied to the fandom menace, and uh he is uh very opinionated about uh certain things. And um one of the things that he said he did he didn't uh he didn't like Andor, and I think that that's a fair assessment. Uh Andor season two thus far, uh up until the last episode was a bit of a slow burn. I think that we were doing some yeah, we were doing some world building, we were doing uh it's it's a very human story. It's a and I don't mean like the species human, I just mean like it's it's it's it's more about you know human interaction and emotion rather than space battles, lightsabers, the the will of the force, all that. There's you know, there's a lot of uh lot of story building here. Um so definitely a slower pace than even Andor season one. And I I also think that if you haven't seen Andor Season One, you will be a bit lost watching Andor Season Two. So if you're interested in in watching and I think Andor's an amazing character, personally, I like this concept um of seeing something outside of the force, you know, or seeing you know, a little bit of that uh that darker political world of Star Wars that's always there. It it's one of the pillars that hold Star Wars up. Uh, so it's it's you know, it's necessary, we just don't get it very often. Because I mean, to be honest, it's not as exciting as these fun swashbuckling adventures of space wizards and laser swords, and you know, so that that's the fun stuff, that's one of the other pillars of Star Wars. So there was a scene in, I believe it was the last episode, where we saw an imperial officer uh trying to use his position of power and authority to get what he wanted out of a young lady. And this is something that is not new to um anything. I mean, you know, people in power, yeah. Men in power, even women in power to a lesser degree, but men in power have been doing that for centuries. Um the argument currently is um whether or not it's necessary to have something like this portrayed in Star Wars. Um, and this individual, um, you know, he he goes on to say what he says, and he's a a really big uh Darth Vader fan, and he's trying to use Vader uh to justify, you know, or basically to say that he uh um that Vader and the and the Empire would not have would not have stood for this.

SPEAKER_05 20:48

I think this just showed how bad they are. It has nothing to do with Vader himself. I think that's you know, and it was a the way they did it was fine. I mean, I think it I think it went well with the story, with what's happening. That's what I think. It just shows how bad they they can be.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

I mean, I I personally and you know full disclosure to our fans out there, I have not seen this yet, so so I'm just you know winging it from what I've heard. I mean, we can argue whether or not the the morality of the empire would allow for that type of thing, but let's be honest, you know, like if my commander doesn't see what happens, like there are always gonna be, for lack of a nicer term, pieces of shit in war. Like that's just what happens. And you know, e even if there was a moral stance against it, even if you knew your boss was gonna have a problem with it, well, if you ain't gonna find out, people are gonna do bad shit. I mean, that's just how it works.

Would Vader Care Or Intervene

SPEAKER_03 22:02

Human nature, right? I mean, you know, people are people. It doesn't matter what uh what uniform they're wearing, you know, people are gonna be good, people are gonna be shitty. So the comment that was made, you know, it uh he had he said that you know, of course, online we have to censor self-censor ourselves. So he said SA in Star Wars, so sexual assault in Star Wars feels unnecessary. You can portray power dynamics and make the audience hate the empire in other ways without taking it to such a disgusting place. Vader wouldn't tolerate that shit, nor does the empire condone it. It has no place in Star Wars, period, unnecessary. So I think we can I think it's debatable whether or not it's necessary to depict uh this sort of assault. Uh, I I feel that we've seen things that could be comparably as bad. I mean, we've seen we've seen genocide, we've seen uh, you know, there's uh an implied murder of children. Uh, you know, we've seen enslaved people, you know, we've seen violence we've seen decapitations, we've seen Uncle Owen and Aunt Baru's charred corpses, you know. We've you know, Princess Leia enslaved and wearing a metal bikini, knowing that she's not wearing any underwear and she is in a den of gangsters. So I mean, we we can we can infer from that that she was not treated with dignity and respect in this place, but so there's been other things in Star Wars that have been questionable and not necessarily kid-friendly. So I don't think that's that's the issue. My we we try to keep things as in universe in the on this show as possible. So I I what I want to address more than anything else is the comment that Vader wouldn't tolerate that shit, nor does the Empire condone it. And I'm very I I have opinions on this, uh, but I would like to hear your thoughts and opinions on this. Would Vader uh if Vader were to have encountered this or been aware of this, what are your thoughts on uh his reaction? Crash?

SPEAKER_01 24:25

Well, first off, I think this individual with a very large following of fans is completely full of shit, and I'm just gonna lay that out there. Um I think the idea that Vader wouldn't condone this, the Empire would not condone this. Given how much this individual panders to the worst end of the fandom, I think there's a lot of self-projecting in the empire on this person's part, and his odd his target audience, and the idea that it's like that joke from uh World War II movie where the the Nazi turns to the other and goes, Are we the baddies? Of course you fucking are. That is the point of Star Wars, and the idea that there's this moral high, you know, this line of demarcation from blowing up Alderon, enslaving entire planets, but we're part of the Me Too movement is completely laughable. I do think the showrunners of Andor handled it very well. I I made some comments on Facebook uh page just about comparing this depiction to an uh season two, I think it was of Battlestar Galactica, the reboot when the Pegasus meets up with the Galactica and they try attempted to rape um one of the main characters who was a Cylon, a human Cylon, a female who was pregnant at the time. Um and it was like standard practice for them because they had also had other Cylon prisoners and they didn't think anything of it because they didn't see them as you know, they didn't have human, they weren't human, so they didn't have rights. And you know, that show was trying to make a statement about things at the time in the world. I think the fact that I again I like the way they portrayed this assault without you know making it tra uh trauma porn for the the nerds and the the creepy guys out there on the internet to watch because because he got he got his. Oh, he got his ass beat and and and that's great, but I like the fact that like with Bix, you know, when the driver tells her to come out, you know, she's like, I ain't coming out because you're gonna shoot me. Right. You're you know, she knew, you know, you know, hey, uh the she fought back is is a good message, but also the fact that she didn't fall for the trap, much like Andor in the first season when those two Morlana cops pull him out and they say, Oh, oh, you know, he knocked the one guy unconsciously. Oh, we'll go in and we'll explain everything. No, you're not. The second you give them that gun, they were gonna arrest you. So I think you know, this is where they they they handled it very a very sensitive subject very well. And uh the the overall tone of the show has been trying to talk about what it's like being you know, it they talked about um the the Ferris crew are living on this world, they talked about visas and how the empire is doing a sweep and they're looking for people with you know the wrong paperwork.

SPEAKER_05 27:36

What's that sound like yeah?

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Let's let's have a uh deep dive about what that relates to, and and some of the things that we see here about in the news that you go, are we the baddies? We we we might be. I think Andor handled it very well, and for uh uh just part of the overall story that they've been trying to tell from season one to season two about the experiences of again, not the space wizards, not the people with magical powers, but these are what real people in the galaxy are dealing with under the empire.

SPEAKER_03 28:07

Right, and it's it's interesting too, you know. We like like you said, you know, where is where's that that line of ethics, you know, that this individual was talking about, how the empire wouldn't condone that sort of assault. As we're watching these three episodes, you know, we've got Director Krenik and you know, this this other this this board of bad guys sitting around the table. They're literally discussing genocide and how best to execute it and how frame it from a public relations, you know, make them hate the Gorman so that nobody really feels bad for them. Right. Which, which, and if you if you look at this on a deeper level, this is very much what the Nazis did to the Jewish population during World War II. You know, we're we're gonna, you know, like like in this, you know, the you know, when we're talking about Gorman, you know, oh, these people are they're they're like the spiders that they're that they have they base their livelihood on. So we're gonna we're gonna make these people seem creepy. So once we do start committing genocide, it's not gonna be so bad because the general public didn't like these people, which is exactly what happened during World War II, and which has also happened here today in our society with this demonization of illegal immigrants or undocumented workers, how whatever, however you want to phrase it. But fascist governments always will demonize a small minority group of the population in order to really galvanize their support and to make it easier to overlook the atrocities that are being committed because it's like, oh, as long as it's happening to people that don't look like me, then that's okay. So to say that the empire wouldn't condone its officers committing acts of sexual assault or rape is just incredibly naive and incredibly ignorant because you have to look at an organization that condones blowing up a planet and displacing people and committing genocide just to get the resources from that planet. Um, I mean, we've we've heard about the the Gorman massacre already, and so we're aware of that, but it seems like it's Vader would not have cared. So, and that's another thing.

SPEAKER_05 30:43

So, yeah, Sherry, so not have cared about what what do you think?

SPEAKER_03 30:48

And I I feel that you're you're fairly familiar and you know enough about Vader to understand his psyche. Yeah, just a little. What do you think Vader would have done had Vader walked in on that?

SPEAKER_05 30:59

Had he walked in on that, he I obviously I think he would have choked him out. I mean, to be honest, not because what he was doing, um, maybe because he was just overstepping Vader himself. I'm not saying he would, you know, do essay. I have no idea. No, no, Vader doesn't have a weeness, so he can't do that anyway. So, no, I don't know. I don't think it's I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

I don't think he would have I think he would have killed them both just to cover up the mess.

SPEAKER_05 31:28

Maybe yeah, I could see that. I could see that.

SPEAKER_03 31:33

I think Vader would have I think Vader would have just to get rid of that situation. I don't think he because uh Vader wouldn't have cared about the optics of that situation. So I don't think he would have I don't think that he would have he would have killed them in order to cover anything up because he doesn't care. You know, he's that's that's a job for for you know the ISB to mess that he doesn't and I think that's why I think he would have killed the officer because the officer wasn't doing what he was supposed to be doing, not because he was committing war crime, no, it's because hey, you're supposed to be out here looking, we're supposed to be taking this planet over, and you're supposed to be looking for illegal workers, right?

SPEAKER_05 32:14

Not raping over here looking for stress relief, right?

SPEAKER_03 32:18

You know, you're out here trying to get ass, so I'm gonna kill you. I mean, he's killed officers for less.

SPEAKER_05 32:23

Oh, yeah, a lot looking at him wrong.

SPEAKER_03 32:25

I mean, goodness right, and he would have killed he would have killed her because she was in his eyes uh a bad guy, so she's the enemy. You know, he would not, I don't think he would have cared either way.

SPEAKER_05 32:38

I just what the situation was so far gone, especially now with this timeline.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

He was definitely this is Vader in his prime.

SPEAKER_05 32:47

Yeah, so he was definitely far gone.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

We're at we're at four, was it four BBY right now? And this is Vader, Vader in his prime.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

And and don't forget, there's still a galactic senate. I think you know, it I think there is an imaging problem. Like, even when they blew up Jeddah to test the Death Star, they made up an excuse to cover they didn't say, Oh, we're testing a death uh a super weapon.

SPEAKER_05 33:08

Of course not.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

So I think there would have been some spin, like those guys we saw uh with the Gorm, you know, trying to shame the Gormans, as it were. Yeah. Um you know, I think, but yeah, like you said, would Bader have killed Bix to cover up the maybe, maybe not, but they would have definitely silenced anyone who would speak to the the Senate about what imperial officers do in the field.

SPEAKER_05 33:30

The spin on it would be well, we killed a cell of rebel. Yeah, they could they caught an illegal worker and yeah, and if it would have gone this far, we you know, we we got rid of you know a force.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

Or Palpatine Palpatine would have just ordered Vader to kill everyone on site. Oh, that's Imperial, non-imperial alike. Vader would have just literally wiped out that entire Imperial Squad. If if if Palpatine wanted that situation contained, then Vader would have conducted an orbital bombardment from his star destroyer. What happened executed everyone?

SPEAKER_05 34:06

I mean, she she held her own. I think that's very empowering for um all people that have been SA'd at you know, or you know, attempted at some point. Um so I think that's that's a big that's what I take away from it.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

It it empowers them to know that there is you can fight back, or you know, so you is so speaking as a woman, obviously, you know, your you know your thoughts on this, you know, that's it's important for for you to weigh in. I mean, you're you're giving a a woman's perspective.

SPEAKER_05 34:40

Well, yeah, I mean I I think she took it, you know, the best she could. She fucked him up. Obviously, this has happened before, starting at the beginning with the dream. Yeah, so obviously this is something that she has trauma.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Well, the right that was that if and if you caught it, that guy in the reflection was the scientist who tortured her on Ferrox. She was screaming of the torturer, yeah, over and over. It wasn't like an a past assault or anything, it was the guy that fucked up her mind.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

Yeah, so I mean it was an assault, he did a wrong, right? Yeah, but it wasn't a sexual assault, but it was still, yeah. So Tony, I I know you haven't seen this yet. Um, oh sure, I'm sorry, please continue.

SPEAKER_05 35:23

Well, no, I just I think they used it as a platform for today, what's going on in society?

SPEAKER_01 35:27

It was a preview.

Fascism Parallels And Moral Blind Spots

SPEAKER_05 35:28

That's what I'm saying. I I think the you know the writers, as we know, um we know their issue and their stance pretty much now watching this.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

And and we have to always remember, and this is planet at the moment. Yes, absolutely. And this is this is something that I think people like this individual who claims to know so much about Star Wars, and this the he he claims to be the face of the Star Wars fandom, uh, the poster child. It is. I mean, he's he's he's he's doing it to make money. So whether he believes what he's saying or not is irrelevant at this point for him. He's gotta be on he's gotta be on the edge of controversy to make those dollars and get those clicks. But it's it's so it it's really sad because he he was a uh a really you know, no pun intended, he was a powerful force for the fandom. I mean, he was really um at the forefront of star the Star Wars fandom, and it's it's really sad to see that he has gone down this road. He's entitled to his opinion, of course.

SPEAKER_05 36:31

Of course, but but he went down the dark side straight up.

SPEAKER_03 36:35

He really did, he really did. And and for him to say some of the things that he says it and and then claim to be the super fan, um, it's just it's just really ignorant because you know, again, we talked about how the empire really wouldn't have cared one way or another, you know. Openly, they're not gonna say, Yeah, we condone rape. Of course we're not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04 36:58

No, of course not.

SPEAKER_03 36:59

But had had another officer walked in on that, had not even Vader, Vader's an extreme, so had had just another officer, another lieutenant, or a captain, or or an admiral, any grandmoth tarkin could have walked in.

SPEAKER_05 37:10

I think well, I I think it just depends. I mean, really, they all have different personalities, so they do. They who knows, he might have been like, dude, what are you doing? Slapped him around, like Grand Marth would have just smacked him around a bit, like, get out of here. What no, this is not the time.

SPEAKER_03 37:27

I think I think Tarkin would have said, you know, finish quickly, we have more work to do, and so and he would have walked out, yeah. Because we have to understand, too, that the with the empire, they serve the emperor, period. You know, they may have the individually, they like Krennick clearly has his own agendas, he wants to climb the ladder. Um, like we see that there's that great scene where Vader says, Don't choke on your aspirations, you know. We which great, but we uh we have to continue to understand that Star Wars is cautionary tales, always has been, always will be. And Star Wars is always social commentary, always has been, always will be. Like there's there's no questioning that. You know, the original film, a new hope, was commentary on war and and how you know and and fascism, you know, it's always about that. It's always about you know, this is what happens if you allow the leaders and government to to go too far. This is what happens, this is what things will devolve into. As we know, the original Star Wars film, you know, the rebels were based off the Viet Cong, and the Empire was based off of us and the British, you know, the colonizers, you know, the occupiers. So, in that, we were portrayed as the bad guys. George Lucas saw the American Empire as being the bad guys, you know, there is always the underlying message of hope in Star Wars, but there it's also social commentary, and we we're seeing that here. And to think that the empire would would care about what happens to an individual, nobody in the empire would care that this young woman is being raped by an officer. No one would care about that because at the end of the day, she was gonna be rounded up and probably executed, or that entire planet was gonna be completely exploited. Um, like with what they want to do with Gorman. You know, the guy said it might destabilize the planet, so it's like, yeah, I want to think.

SPEAKER_05 39:47

I mean, I'm I'm a little more positive. I I would think I would think at least one or two would not agree. And those stormtroopers, because we've seen that in the past, yeah. Um, stormtroopers turn and they leave because they're like, this is crazy. What the hell are we doing?

SPEAKER_03 40:06

They do, and there's there's actually there's a great there's a great book um about that, about a jade is in this book too, actually. Uh about a squad of stormtroopers that see some things happening they they don't like and they end up going rogue because you know, but that's you know I would like to think that there's even on that planet, if some of them would have known what was happening, uh at least one or two. I'm not saying everyone, but but they do, and there are, and they end up leaving and joining the rebellion. So I mean, you never know. Those people are there, yes. There are good people in the empire, there are people that see these atroc atrocities, they do not agree with the stance of the empire, and they leave if they can. But if they if they can't get out, basis of it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:57

Tony, what are your thoughts on this? So I agree with a lot with everything pretty much. Um and uh you know, knowing the guy who who we're talking about here, uh I'm loath to give him the benefit of the doubt in anything. That being said, you know, I I haven't seen it for myself, I don't know the exact words and phrasing and everything. I can see the argument of hey, like if nothing else, this could potentially be a PR problem that we don't need. So the umpire wouldn't be okay with it on principle. Whether or not they let it go isn't a different matter. Um, and I will say, you know what, compared to some of the other takes that this particular individual has had, this is not the worst one. And if his point, whether he phrased it badly or not, is just to say, I don't need to see that, I don't think we should ever have to see that on our screens because even though we know it happens in real life, it's a shitty thing that happens in real life, and you know, hey, if we can get away from having that in this reality, it's a better thing. Okay, I like I would agree with that standpoint if that's what he's trying to say. But given this guy's previous takes on things, I don't know that that's what he's trying to say.

SPEAKER_01 42:18

Yeah, and and it says a lot that you know, like we were saying, we have to self-filter on YouTube and places like that because for certain keywords that it might alarm people with this with the guy's comment and and the the way he was phrasing it. Again, I don't think it was much as he he objects to seeing images like that on the screen. Because if you've anyone who's ever been to a a con and you look at some of the fan art that gets uh passed around, there's unfortunately a pocket of this fandom that just sadly they get turned on by this shit. And it says, and you know, let's not forget we've we've how many years we had you know guys fetishing about the slave lay a cot, you know, so much so that they had to try to rebrand it to Hut Slayer. Right. But it's really we we know what that was about. That was not an empowering outfit for her. People tried to reverse the narrative on it, but you know, at the end of the day, it is what it is, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 43:18

Yeah, it was very it was very plain. It was, you know, that was Princess Leia was a sexualized slave. Was she assaulted while she was in Jabba's palace?

SPEAKER_01 43:32

Oh, I don't know. There was one book where they tried to there was a uh Tales of the Bounty Hunter. There was a scene where they tried to pond her off on Boba Fett, and he basically he didn't want nothing to do with it, and you know, almost gave her like a safe refuge in his room.

SPEAKER_03 43:46

That's actually one of my favorite stories from that book because it was a cool like anthology book that it's one of my favorite books, but yeah, you're absolutely right. She she was like, you know, if you if you come at me, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna fight back. And he was like, I because he was even. Though he was getting paid, I they had a conversation. I believe the two of them had this conversation about morals and ethics. Because in that book, Boba Fett has a code of conduct, he does not believe in sexual assault or rape. He is a law-abiding citizen for the most part. And she asked him, Well, how can you work for Jabba hunting down you know the essentially the good guys? And he said, Because I'm working for the lawfully, legally elected government of the galaxy. So he was technically on the side of law and order. But he still knew right from wrong when it came to assaulting, you know, or violating other people. He wasn't about to violate Leia, even though she was given to him.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

Yeah. And I think it says a lot, even you know, George Lucas, you know, created that outfit and that scene, you know, the whole thing with Jabba. But it also shows, you know, for for what essentially are you know, we always say Star Wars was for kids. There's ways of depicting that kind of behavior without having to be graphic about it. And I think Andor did a very even for a more mature Star Wars show, did a nice job of not giving in to the toddliness. Yeah, you don't have to show the the violation of it, what's being done to explain this is bad, this should not happen to people, but there are bad people who do these things.

SPEAKER_03 45:43

Right. And I think that's important. I think that we, if we're if we're seeing if we're using Star Wars as social commentary, I think it's important to not shy away from certain things. And like this this individual, uh, again, our he's our Voldemort, basically. Um, you know, like he said, it's unnecessary in Star Wars. But I've always found it curious in our society how we shy away from anything sexual, but we embrace violence, you know. I mean, even even growing up, you know, if there's you know, if there's a you know, a little lovey-dovey scene in a movie, even if it's just you know, like making out or implied, you know, uh love making or whatever, you know, we we cover up the kids' eyes. Oh, don't look, don't look, don't look. But if we're watching Star Wars, I'm cool with letting them see stormtroopers get blown up and people getting decapitated, and you know, again, Uncle Owen, you know, and Aunt Baru getting fucking completely thermal detonated.

SPEAKER_05 46:50

Well, even in this, I mean, he shot someone right in her face.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

I mean, yeah, point lane. You know, so so why is it in our culture, and I I mean, we can try to answer this if we want, but then that's that's a whole philosophical thing. But I I I I've always wondered, you know, why is it that we're we're okay with violence, with depictions of violence, but we're not okay with depictions of sex, sexuality, sexual in its purest form.

SPEAKER_05 47:21

You know, when it's not, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:23

Even if it's not like if it's not like like a sexual violation, you know, if it's just if it's just two people, two people engaged in, you know, the the becoming the beast with two backs, you know, you know, I'm not talking about graphic pornographic sex, I'm talking about on-screen nudity, you know, again, you know, nudity is natural, and we we cover, we cover the eyes of the children for the nudity, but we allow them to view the violence, and uh and and again, we're seeing and and this individual uh on on Twitter making these comments, he's a perfect example of of that of what this culture is. You know, he's he's a fan of Star Wars. In Star Wars, we have seen countless acts of violence. Um, I'm sure we've we've had people um well, we've had heads come off of freaking clone troopers.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

Yeah, and let's just talk about the idea without getting into the graphic of sexuality. You know, remember the acolyte? The idea uh that uh May and OSHA have two mothers, yeah, however they were created, you know, right, uh was such an affront to people on social media, certain people on social media be that they just completely derailed, you know, just the story was no good. This was quote bad writing. Why there was nothing uh overtly sexual about it? It's just they got two moms. So what?

SPEAKER_03 49:00

But all of the death and destruction and murder and being him that's yeah, that's fine.

SPEAKER_05 49:05

That was okay. That's fine.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

Yeah, I think we really we need to question like where where are these lines drawn and who's drawing them and why, you know, Tony, I'm sorry, you were you gonna say something, sir? I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

Uh just the the short answer to your question without going down a deep rabbit hole is uh judo-christian morality values, and more importantly, in in Western culture, Puritan values. That's the short answer, and I could deep dive a lot longer than that, but that's uh yeah, that's a whole other show.

Hotline Resource And Trigger Warnings

SPEAKER_05 49:39

That's a whole other show, but that's yeah, that's a whole different show. Yeah, um, all right, but I know we we are part of like you know, education here a little bit. Yeah, so since we're talking about this topic, the uh the national sexual assault hotline is 1-800-656-4673. So if anybody's out there and they feel that they need to call someone because something happened, any individual, um, I feel like I should put that out there. Thank you. What was the number again? Uh 1-800-656-4673, and that is a 24-hour seven days a week hotline. And that's a national hotline. So thank you. I guess right now it's still up.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

I guess we can kind of wrap up this part of the and or if you if I ask you guys, you think yeah. One of the things I I heard on a lot of social media uh this week after the show aired was this particular episode should it have come with a warning? I remember the Battlestar Galactic episode that came out of commercial and it had one of those blank screens with the disclaimer. This episode's gonna have yeah, fewer discretion advice. Do you think this particular not the whole you know series, but this particular episode should it have had a warning?

SPEAKER_03 50:57

I I don't think that it would have been bad to have a warning or even have like in the you know in the credits or shortly after the episode ended, having that that crisis hotline number there, I think that would have been uh they may go back and edit it. They may go back and and add it because I think sexual assault can be triggering if it's obviously if it's depicted, if it's something that has happened to someone. I mean, yeah, I personally I think that having a disclaimer, especially on Disney, um, I think that would be a good idea. I think that would be a very good idea. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 51:35

I mean, we're just talking about it, but still it's could still be triggering. It's it's still triggering, but it might help someone.

SPEAKER_03 51:41

So the crash, I don't know. What do you think? Do you think they should have it? I think it does.

SPEAKER_01 51:47

I think it yeah, it would have helped. I I I was spoiled before I I watched I watched this the show the morning, the morning after it dropped, and I did a quick check of the our uh Swarzy Curious and Star Wars Safe Space Facebook pages. Um, and I I right away I I saw all the all the reviews were talking about this particular scene, which is a shame because there's a lot of good content in the uh two episodes and the third that's being overshadowed by that one scene and and the the obvious social media churning up about you know, like we're doing right now. But um, so yeah, I I think uh a a quick warning at the top of the episode would have been good because even if being spoiled about what was gonna happen, uh you know, like I said, when that guy in her dream showed up, I was like, damn, they're doing it right away. I was and then as soon as I realized who it was, I was okay, that's not it. But like the whole episode, I was like, We're it that scene's coming. That's like the monster at the end of this book. I was like, okay, this the scene's gonna happen eventually. I was and I was waiting to see how they were gonna depict it. But yeah, a little a little warning at the start wouldn't have been bad.

Mon Mothma’s Burden And Rebellion Setup

SPEAKER_03 52:53

Okay, and you know what, and I agree, and so like you said, you know, that that scene is overshadowing, you know, three pretty deep episodes that are dealing with some pretty pretty deep content, and one thing I I want to bring up that I thought was really powerful, and it was uh maybe I I don't know, not terribly subtle, but um Mon Mothma at the end dancing poor thing with dancing with no joy on her face at all, like the weight of the galaxy is on her shoulders, and she was just going through the motions. She's probably a little drunk.

SPEAKER_05 53:38

Well, her daughter was not great. Well, again, it was like a Game of Thrones type of deal, but like I'm gonna marry him anyway. Okay, dummy.

SPEAKER_03 53:50

Yeah, so maybe he's gonna turn out like a Joffrey type character. I don't know, but he's gonna be awful to that woman or to that girl. But but Mon Mothma, she's she's one of these. I'm I'm glad that we're seeing more of her because you know, the first time we see her is in Jedi, I believe, right? Yeah, and she delivers her famous line, you know, many bald friends died. And you know, we don't we don't really see, and you know, again, we talked about Sherry and I we were talking about this, you know, how like her and uh and padme and you know a few others were basically the the original architects of the rebellion, and I had no idea of that about that. So that's Bale Bale Organa. You know, he was part of that crew. Who was the Rhodian senator? I can't remember their name. I think he ended up getting assassinated during the clone war.

SPEAKER_01 54:39

Oh, Padme's uncle, yeah, Uncle Iroh.

SPEAKER_03 54:45

So um Mon Mothma is very much alone in the galaxy right now. I mean, she's not, I mean, you know, figuratively alone because many of her co-conspirators are they're they're gone. Not not Bale yet at this point. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He is no, no, no, no, not yet, not yet.

SPEAKER_01 55:06

Because we're four years, and we don't even know if she and Bale have teamed up yet. She's mostly been paired up with Luthan. Well, Luthan, yeah, and I'm interested in finding out is the when does Luthan no longer in the picture, as it were, because we know in a no hope we don't see him. Um, that's the part of this this season. I am interested is that you know, Luthan's been portrayed as sort of the mastermind of this rebellion and pulling all these different factions together, but like the Rogue One crew in a new hope, where'd they go? Well, I mean, we know what happens to yeah, and that's what happens to Luthan is where's he go.

SPEAKER_03 55:48

So, you know what, and and that's I'm I'm glad you brought that up because that was my next question. So, what are we most excited or worried about with uh with Andor season two? So, I guess that's one for you, Crash.

SPEAKER_01 56:02

Uh, the thing I'm most looking forward to is sort of the like I said, the building blocks of the rebellion we know, being a bit fan of the rebellion. Uh Mon Mothma was sort of a minor figure when she came out in Jedi. She was sort of the replacement for Leia as the figurehead of this rebellion. You know, like in that briefing, I remember as a kid thinking, who's this lady?

SPEAKER_03 56:26

Right. We have no idea. Yeah, we had no idea the role that she played.

SPEAKER_01 56:31

Yeah, we we find out later she was a senator who was literally teaming up with Leia's mother, yeah, originally when they were first worried about Palpatine overreaching and Vailorgana. And you know, if had Padme lived, it would have been interesting to see her as a rebellion leader with her husband on the other side. But I'm not from that. Yeah, and I think with this the season of Andor, I'm looking forward to seeing how the pieces parts like I I keep saying when we talk about this, I can appreciate a show like Rebels and Andor existing in the same universe timeline because they're just telling different branches of the same narrative of their small groups that are starting to act out against the Empire, and eventually they're gonna have to come together as a bigger team, otherwise the Empire's just gonna, you know, like like they say you hear the line of the trail, you know, the monster is gonna come for us all.

SPEAKER_03 57:29

Yeah, you think it's swallowed up. And I I do like that we're you know, because we're gonna be you know, in a few weeks, we're gonna be hitting rebels. Um, and I do like that that that Andor is is going along like parallel to that, um, because we get we'll we'll get to see more of the action in rebels, you know, but again, it's still two sides, you know, of of the same rebellion here, you know, and so Sherry, what about you?

Easter Eggs And Andor As Antihero

SPEAKER_05 57:59

I um well, I don't know what I want to see next because this is new to me, so um, you know, I'm just excited to see what's gonna happen with everybody, to be honest. Um, I do like how it's before um the movies, right? Yeah, so I do like that. Um, so I can kind of follow along and see where everybody progresses. But I think one of the things I did like it's it was silly, but seeing Queen Amadala's headpiece in that room that she and Paul Clun's face mask, yeah. Um, there's probably more little tidbits in there. I like stuff like that. I thought that was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 58:42

That that place is uh built as an Easter egg factory, and they're not necessarily supposed to be yeah, Snips and I were having a great conversation. We were when we were watching this week, they focused in on that headpiece. We, the audience, immediately connected with Amadala because we saw her wearing that headpiece in the movie. Yeah, Galaxy's Edge. I think that's one of the items available for sale in Doc Ondor's shop, like for kids to wear, you know, kids can wear like you know, small costume pieces. Um, so seeing that in Losen's shop, I was kind of laughing because it's like, yeah, we usually assume as an audience, oh, that's Padma's headpiece, or it could just be a an Aboo fashion piece, yeah, from some anybody. Same thing with the uh Keldor Plocoon mask pieces right next to it, or the stone pieces that will see that are from Star Wars Rebels of the Star Maps for the the Jedi Temple. Now, mind you, there could be are even in uh Rebels in Clone Wars, it's uh there's our iconography of that, those images all across the Jedi Order throughout history, but when we see those tone stone tablets, your head as fans our our head immediately takes us back to rebels where we first saw them, and so it's gonna be cool.

SPEAKER_03 59:58

Like when we because you haven't seen uh season one of Andor yet, Sherry.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:05

So when yeah, I only saw a little bit of it, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:08

So as we as we're you know moving closer to that in the timeline, it's gonna be because we're gonna end up we're yes, we're watching Andor season two now, but we're gonna end up re-watching it as we're as we're progressing on with the show. Um and it's gonna be very interesting because in season one, when we first see that shop um crash, like you said, it's a it's an Easter egg factory, and there's just like you've got to like frame by frame it, and like, oh my god, that's from this, and that's from this, and that's from this. And it's just I I I love the art direction. I love that they're putting those things in there because it's supposed to be like an antique store, and so it's got all of these artifacts that some sometimes you recognize, sometimes you gloss over it, and so you watch it a second time, you're like, wait a minute, where was that when I watched the first time?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:52

In in the back room, there are three of the Shankara stones from Temple of Doom. Yep, I remember that from that's for the audience to make the connection, it has nothing to do with Star Wars, but you just look at yeah, it's for us to look in the background and go, Oh, there's that, there's that, there's that.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:06

Well, like in uh in uh Raiders of the Lost Ark, Archer D2 and C3PO are on the uh the the frame that's holding the arc. So I mean it's yeah, they yeah, Lucas and Spielberg are are so good about and then now that that's the legacy, you know. That is the legacy is to hide these things and even from uh from different different franchises, you know. Like when like again, when we were watching um uh when we were watching skeleton crew, there's all these little monkey island references throughout and pirates of the caribbean references throughout, and you see them, but it's like you have to watch it like five times and then it jumps out at you.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:48

Yeah, but so yeah, I'm looking forward to it, it'll be cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:52

Sherry, you had mentioned something while we were watching the show that I thought was pretty interesting too. You you would because you you really aren't aware of Andor, um, and picking him up in season two like this is is challenging, but you one of the first things you said was you know, he's supposed to be a good guy, right? Like 100, yeah, if he was a good guy or a bad guy. So I mean, I I mean, whatever. No, but I think that's good. I think that because because he is he is very much uh uh like an anti-hero.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:27

Yeah, I I think so.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:29

You know, so he's he's a good guy who's doing bad things for a good reason, yes, you know, for a good cause, because he's he's kind of a he will murder the shit out of you if he needs to, and like but again, we'll see that. Like our first experience with him was in Rogue One, and I think that's like one of the first scenes he does, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:50

One of the first things he does is he takes out his buddy, you know, because I mean there's reasons behind that, but and and the password, you know, is when on the first episode when the uh signar scientist was you know helping him steal the ship. That she said the the password for the hangar was keffreen. That was the name of the moon we first see Andor on in Rogue One. Yeah, I love you know the word plays that they can throw in that tie us to other parts of even within Andor's timeline, you know, it's like you hear that name, and it's it's an immediate connection from one show to the other.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:26

I love it, I love it. Uh Tony, you haven't seen it yet. So, any any hopes, dreams, fears about Andor season two?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:35

Um I mean, so for the two of you who've seen season one, uh you know Luthan's speech. Yeah, to my mind, like that is more prophecy than it is anything else. There's a line in that speech where he says, I burn my life to make a sunrise I know I'll never see. And like to my mind, like that that one sentence tells me he like he's not coming out of this. There's a reason why we don't see him outside of the series.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:10

He's he's he potentially meets a grisly end.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:13

But he's accepted that, and and honestly, like seeing a character like this, who is just and you know, I won't spoil the entire speech because because Jerry, I mean it's just something that like it's gonna hit you hard when you see it. Um but but just that speech and and and the life that he is living, like he's probably in my top five favorite characters in all of Star Wars just because of that alone. Oh, I'll have to watch it. And uh I am eager to see the way the way the rest of his story plays out. Um just because there are moments like even through the Clone Wars, which we're watching now, where we see you know these characters who who are struggling, going through a war, and yet they they make those moments to to find happiness, to find something to fight for. And this character is basically saying, Listen, like the fight is all I have, like like there is no end game for me. Yeah, this is just what it is, and it doesn't matter, I'm doing it anyways. And there's just an amount of respect that I have for that that I I can't even begin to describe.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:40

So and you know what I'm saying forward to cool and you know, when when Cassian was talking to uh that young engineer who was helping him out, I can't remember her name, um, at the very beginning, and he told her, you know, you're you're finally home, you know. knowing yourself. This is who you are. You know, it's like that, it's showing it's showing Andor's level of commitment to the cause. You know, he's not just a mercenary. He's not just a hired thug. You know, he's he's committed to this and and I I really like that. And and and Marva, Marva, we we got to see her picture, which I thought was really nice. That was a nice touch. And Sherry, when you hear Marva's speech too, it's like that's what that's going to be the one that's going to make you want to go out in the streets and riot. All right. Well I got to watch it because I already want to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:39

And and then the thing is Andor in his past life as a as a smuggler or whatever you want to call it was a fast talker. What it's interesting in this season's already is you're seeing uh what was the kid's name Nemek his manifesto about what rebellions need and what rebellions do. You can see him adopting some of that language that whole thing about you know you're you're coming back to yourself you're you know whether you make it out of here or not you know you've already won that's straight out of that kid nemek kid's manifesto about the rebellion. So he's already embraced some of the talking points he read in that that book and applying it in his smuggling smide spy trade to to convince people to act in against their best interest sometimes.

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SPEAKER_03 1:07:39

And it's it's like saying well if you make it great if not you know you still gotta follow through for the cause and that's a very brave thing to tell somebody it is and but she I think she was even because she said you know basically she I think she said well if I die today will it be worth it will it have been worth it you know right yeah so it's I love it. I yeah it's it's a little bit slower paced than what we're used to in Star Wars but I think it's again it's one of those pillars that's that's kind of important um I'm excited to see more saw Guerrero um as time goes on I start to relate to him more and more all things considered uh I I think that he's another one who does very very bad things uh for the right reasons but man and Forrest Whitaker's just a fucking amazing actor anyway and he he is saw guerrera i can't I can't imagine I know who's the who's the voice actor uh in the clone wars for Saw oh keeper of the Holocron get on that one uh because he does he does an outstanding job um but forest man and and we saw the the the seeds of what saw guerrera will become when we were watching clone wars right he loses his sister sister and you just you could tell yeah again he had that cockiness about him he thought he was going to be the leader and his sister was probably the better choice she was obviously the better choice but I I like I said that when we were watching those episodes you know could you it's interesting to see where the rebellion would have been had Stila lived and could have been Saw's better half right and I think you know she was she was that counterbalance for him you know and you know he was already very very militant leaning she was that counterbalance and then when Ahsoka murdered her um no Ahsoka didn't murder her she tried she tried to save her she really did I think Ahsoka was broken up about that but well I mean they it was a fight so I mean she did try to save her yeah it was I mean she fell off a cliff it wasn't even her fault she was the hand was outreached it was just it was actually a freak accident I mean she was pretty much she was good and and without can we just yeah say a prayer for uh our our one friend from Ferris who I won't name because I don't want to ruin it for Tony but first episode man you can't break my heart like that yeah yeah probably watching it tonight we'll see yeah watch it tonight it's if you have time it's you know each each episode is about what 45 ish minutes yeah so it's not it's not a long watch it's the the first episode is a bit of a slog um but I think it's worth it um because we get a good payoff in episode three so get through episode one and two and a banger of a dance track can we just banger of a dance track I know what's up with anyway right I'm asking I'm asking right we need we need that no party like a chandrilla party yeah no shit man we we need we need a DJ droid in our life I don't think I've ever heard music in Star Wars except for in the cantina which was not that well and it's funny because uh the in season one uh I have this we we have the soundtrack we listened to in the car uh on road trips and it snips at me uh there's this the same title track niamos that that remember that beach planet that andor got arrested on they use that same melody different times like the first one is like a straight up like a nightclub a darker town then there's in the in a mon motpa's place there they they do it again but in more of a lighthearted garden party you know this was straight up dance party this was rave they're the same melody and I think they they they give it a different track name but it's the same slap just different yeah and it sounded like some really cool like european like techno club type music it was it was a yeah it's agreed it was a banger for sure I'm gonna put that on the Jeep yeah we need to get that on Spotify immediately it's already the popular the soundtrack for season two is already out the first three episodes that is the most popular track we uh Snip showed me it is the most popular track by far downloaded already yeah without without a doubt without a doubt so it's interesting to note too that I believe if I am not mistaken and I may be um we're gonna be seeing with Andor we're gonna be seeing uh three episode blocks each week uh over the next four weeks it's 12 12 episodes in the season and I believe each three episode block advances the story by a year um and until we get up to BBY zero I think so it so we got we were in bby four here so next week I believe we're gonna get BBY three and and I love the fact that this show pays more attention to this the Star Wars the official timeline BBY it more so than Tommy does because at the top of the show when you always try to explain how Star Wars time works I like with I love how the first the letters just pop I was like okay Tommy's gonna love that because that's you man you you're all about the day day and ten and now I know it because of that and now you know so there you go hopefully are so educated folks Tony you got some info for us on the Sawara yes so the voice actor's name is Andrew Cashino uh he did he did the voice of Saul not just in Clone Wars but also in Bad Batch. Yeah and he's he also expands out and does a few different voice uh roles in visions oh okay all right yeah we need to look at visions too because I know they've there's uh I don't think I've seen the second one the first one was great but I haven't seen the second one yet I don't think um so clone wars season six we're gonna wrap things up here in a couple minutes um we're gonna be diving into clone wars season six next um it is very much the beginning of the end uh we've only got uh after that we've only got one more season left both seasons are very short um so uh but they're very good i mean these are these two season seven is arguably the best season of clone wars arguably um people can debate that if they want to season four i think is one of the best seasons too but people you know season seven is just it hits hard it hits really really hard so we're gonna be uh diving into that um no homework uh because we're just gonna be uh chit chatting about season six when next we meet um but then after that if you want to get a head start check out uh season six now if you want to uh if you haven't seen it check it out it's uh it's very good it's very very good we're gonna get more Ahsoka um more uh more leaning towards the Empire as we we get closer and closer to order 66 um and then it just all that culminates in episode seven or not episode but in season seven so we've got we're gonna have the night of a thousand tears which oh so more Mandalorian action we've got oh it's just so good so good and then uh yeah oh god I love Star Wars okay so uh we're gonna wrap things up before we head out uh we're gonna do our obligatory pimping here but does anybody have anything else they want to touch on no no but my thing like I said I'm gonna be heading out to um Disneyland to do some crashes corner videos I was got a good reaction when I from the C2 E2 ones uh give you guys a preview of what to expect when you finally booked that trip to uh you know what you know what if if you have the bandwidth for it um at some point because I I you're you're a busy guy you do stuff um if you could put together like a fun like like how to video because you've been to Disney a lot so you know the ins and outs you know exactly how to book what to book I know Disney can be very confusing in terms of getting on some of the attractions standing in certain lines there's certain virtual check-ins there's there's it's a whole thing and it can be very very intimidating for people I'm one of them uh so like if you again you know in your in in whatever spare time you happen to have if maybe you could put together something like uh a a little a little guide to help people navigate you know the the swamp that is booking a galaxy's edge vacation to Batoo you read my mind i i'm already kind of working on some cliff note idea yeah i'm going there with my family uh we're gonna have a good time we're gonna go to star wars night my d my dad even bought it he wanted to he wanted to me to dig out my old X-Wing costume for him I was like you're not putting my X-Wing costume on dad not happening mostly because flying with it would be such a pain but I was yeah so we got him some fun uh Star Wars apparel to wear they're gonna we're gonna get them all decked out and him and mom and their little scooters they're gonna look like uh Clee Glars just trucking along that's cool so yeah I I've already got some ideas in mind I'm gonna put together some stuff we're gonna shoot some stuff on our two two days in Disneyland yeah in California just a quick teaser for you California Disneyland has Galaxy's Edge whereas in Florida they have it at Hollywood Studios so it's not it's in a different park oh I just see I didn't even know that didn't know that oh oh yeah that's why it's okay what's that nuggets of information Sherry what what was it you said I'm sorry you no nothing oh okay I'm drunk no you are not I'm not you are not you're a you're a teetotaler you never drink a drop right no all right that's gonna do it for us this week thank you for joining us uh before we head out we want to do that what the hell is that it's not me what was what was all that what was uh sounded like someone was like opening a carton of cookies or something not now I want cookies I think I was I was tearing a page out of my notebook you might have heard that oh yeah yeah whatever mic you're using picks up everything like is that well is it just on your it's like on your laptop yeah your laptop mic is really good because it picks up like every time you type it picks that up and it picks up you what you just tore so that's that's a good mic that's a good laptop mic usually they're not that good so I th I thought you're using an external mic so well done not not yet um all right so head on over to our website circlefnerd.com slash the SWS show and if you want some of that uh sweet sweet merch that uh Tony was showing off there and we've got our shirts on as well circlefners.com slash merch 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