Clone Wars Season 6 Changes Everything | (Lost Missions)

Darth Vader massacres Rebels in Rogue One like a horror villain… then Princess Leia faces him in A New Hope without flinching.

That contradiction hits different after Andor Season 2—and it might completely change how you see Star Wars.

We break down the moment everyone’s questioning right now:

•  Why Vader feels unstoppable in Rogue One 
•  Why Leia shows zero fear in A New Hope 
•  How Andor Season 2 reframes both characters 
•  The real explanation behind the tone shift 

Then we go deeper into what Andor does better than any Star Wars show:
 the Rebellion is not clean—it’s built on sacrifice, lies, and necessary evil.

•  Mon Mothma’s “clean hands” vs the reality behind the scenes 
•  Luthen’s sacrifice and the cost of rebellion 
•  Cassian Andor and the moral line that keeps getting crossed 
•  Why Andor makes stormtroopers terrifying again 
•  Bail Organa recast (Benjamin Bratt) and Gorman arc tension 

We shift into Galaxy’s Edge at Disneyland:

•  Star Wars Night experience on Batuu 
•  Character interactions that feel real 
•  Tips that actually change your experience inside the park 

Then we set up what’s next:
 Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season 6 (Lost Missions)

•  Fives’ return and why it matters 
•  Yoda’s deeper connection to the Force 
•  The Clovis arc and Anakin vs Padmé tension 

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Transcript

Cold Open And Big Claims

SPEAKER_03 0:00

You may fire when ready. Why Andor Season 2 is the greatest Star Wars TV show of all time. We'll be discussing that today. And we're gonna take a look ahead at season six of the Clone Wars. Uh crash. You've got some you've got some tails from the uh the light side, right? No tales from the dark side, tales from the light side?

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Light side only, brother.

Welcome To Star Wars Safe Space

SPEAKER_03 0:24

All right, and uh Tony, you have a particularly hot take that we were just talking about before the show, and we're gonna be getting into that because uh you and I are gonna have to go back and forth on this one, brother. We might have to step outside. Okay. You guys ready? I'm ready. All right, let's do it. Stick around. Your Star Wars Safe Space starts now. Hey there, Star Warriors. Welcome to Star Wars Safe Space, your non-toxic glow sodium Star Wars show that doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that the sound of a lightsaber was created by accident using a broken film projector and the hum of a television back in 1977. So, whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little swarzy curious, this is your Star Wars Safe Space. We are the circle of nerds, and we do indeed love Star Wars so much, even when we don't always like it. So let's meet the circle of nerds, shall we? Hailing from Parts Unknown, it is T to the Oni.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Oni Oni. Welcome back to the Galaxy, everybody. It's been a long time, but glad to be back. It has been it's been like two weeks, but it feels like it feels so much longer than that, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:47

It really does. We take our little two two-week breaks, and it's just like, oh god, I feel like it's been like a month and a half.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

I sent you that video from Anaheim, and I was like, oh my god, I miss you guys so much. Right?

SPEAKER_03 2:00

It's been like a week, yeah, it's been like a couple days. But we're excited because we love it. Okay. Um, and speaking of this gentleman right here who's been uh all over the place lately, pilot of the infamous Parma Flyer.

SPEAKER_00 2:10

It's crash. How are you doing, everybody? S foil's locked, ready to go. Let's do this.

SPEAKER_03 2:15

All right, and we got so much to talk about today. So, what are we doing here? Well, our mission is to watch all of the canon Star Wars films and TV shows in chronological order, which is not always easy to do. Breaking them down, connecting the dots, and learning more about Star Wars and maybe even a little about ourselves as well. Now, it would be warning to all you Star Warriors out there, there will be spoilers. So be prepared to that. So for that. So today we're gonna be talking about primarily looking ahead at season six, um the highs, the lows, the messiness of it, the you know, there's a lot going on in season six, so we're gonna be looking ahead to that. Um we also want to talk about Andor. Um, but but our focus is gonna be on season six because it's known as the Lost Missions. Um, it was supposed to be a full 22 episodes, but it ended up getting yoinked from Cartoon Network, and it aired on Netflix uh back in uh 2014. Uh, it takes place in 19 BBY, so we're getting closer and closer. Um, but everyone was nervous because no one knew if we were gonna see it again, especially after it got yoinked from Cartoon Network. It's like, uh, and you left us, you left us with this cliffhanger, Ahsoka leaving the Jedi Temple. What happens next? But in season six, we're gonna do some things. We've got some very nice arcs in season six. Fives returns, Yoda goes on a a deep spiritual journey. There's a lot happening um in season five. Or in season six. I'm thinking about fives, and we've got to get we've got to get uh daddy Lou back on the show to talk about fives because that's his favorite clone. Isn't he in for a treat?

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Oh yes.

Andor Season Two To Rogue One

SPEAKER_03 3:55

No spoilers, no spoilers. All right, but uh, but first we're gonna dive into season two of Andor just a little bit. And before the show, we were back in our uh virtual green room uh talking about uh uh Andor and all that. And I I talked about I watched Andor season two, finished it up, wrapped it up, and immediately watched Rogue One, which is kind of like that's the you know, you're supposed that's kind of like the order you're supposed to watch it in. And I've only ever seen Rogue One once before. Great movie, it's it's up there, it's like in the top five, I think. It's a great, great movie. But Tony, T to the Oni, Jedi Master Baloney, you had a hot take about the tone going from Rogue One to a new hope.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

Yeah, I mean, uh you know, just yeah, when you consider you know the end of Rogue One and that and that hallway scene, Vader just just just dominating, just utterly destroying everything in his path. Beautiful, and like and even that like you know, the stormtroopers and that and I know they get a lot of shit in the in the original trilogy for like you know not being very effective, but but they are very effective you know at the start of this as well, yeah. Uh but you go from from this just you know this overwhelming force, and then on top of that, Vader, who's just a beast, yeah. I mean, for for lack of a better word, a beast, just wiping through everything in his path, and then you jump into episode four, and Leia's standing up to him like I'm sorry, what did you not just see what he just did to everybody in his path to get to you? Maybe she didn't see it. Like, I love Leia, and Leia's a badass. She is, but really, like I mean, come on, man.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Well, Vader was even in in new uh in New Hope overall, Vader was much more toned down than he was. Empire Strikes Backs really when Vader became the beast we know him as, you know, and because you think about it, in a new hope, you know, he's sort of suburbient to Tarkin. Yeah, yeah. Um you know, he he he he'll flex his muscle on a on a moth in a meeting, but you know, he knows who the boss is, and that's not the Vader we know from uh Empire Strikes Back moving forward. And in Rogue One, they know they they stuck with the the current version of Vader that is the I don't take shit, badass. Um, which again it's it's when you when you jump out from prequel to sequel to prequel to current, you know, it it gets kind of muddled and confusing because even the Vader fight with Obi-Wan that we saw in the movie is much more tame than what the hallway scene or what the fan edit of that uh you know Death Star saber fight could be which was great, which is great, but it seems like you couldn't do that with Alec Guinness in real life back then, and that was the problem. No, of course not. No, but it looks like it looks sweet now.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

But I I like with with Leia, right? I get it. So my first question, do we think that she actually saw what happened? Because Vader never made it onto the ship, he was he never made it to the Tantif, he was still in in the that that docking hallway, just murdering these poor rebel troopers. Um, and by the way, when when uh the trooper hits the uh uh the lever to to you know to to lock everything down, and he yells launch, like the way that he says that, that was like that it to me that really like set the tone of that scene because the the terror, he was like, launch like god. I was like, that was it was brilliant. So do you think okay, Tony? So do you think do you think Leia was privy to what just happened? The slaughter, the merciless slaughter. I mean, he killed those those troops like he was killing younglings. I mean, he had it's like he had the same the same passion that he said he has for murdering children and committing genocide as he as he he had on those rebel troopers. So, do you think Leia was aware of that?

SPEAKER_01 8:21

I mean, I would have to think that yeah, yeah, her place uh authority within the rebellion, having just launched from said ship, like yeah, she's been she's gotta be in radio contact with them as they're dealing with all this stuff. Like, she has to know, even if she didn't physically see it, she has to know what just happened.

SPEAKER_03 8:41

So maybe some reports were coming in and hearing the cries for help.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

I think what Tony's saying is it's a lot like um Ripley and Aliens when she's in the uh the tank with the guys as the guys are going out and getting slaughtered by the Xenomorphs. She could hear it over comms, right? But I don't think she was like watching a security cam footage replay of Vader just tearing them up in the hallway, or even the stormtroopers as they boarded. I don't think she was like you know, watching it like a live stream, you know, you know, but she probably heard the com traffic and a lot of shouting and a lot of screaming and but let so let me ask you guys this have we ever seen Leia afraid?

SPEAKER_03 9:25

Have we ever seen her afraid?

SPEAKER_00 9:29

I think on Bespin, I think when Han was being put in Carbonite and it was there was a very real sense of oh shit, I we're screwed, especially having survived being under Vader's captivity once. I I think the idea that I can't go back there, you know. I I think she was afraid there was no way out until Lando flipped the script.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

I don't I disagree. I think she was afraid for Han. I don't think we've ever seen her afraid for herself. When we see the torture droid come in, she kind of like perks up a little bit, like what's about to happen. But I never got the sense of concern. I mean, concern certainly, but never fear. I don't think we've ever seen Leia afraid.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Tony, what do you think? I mean, to your point, I don't know so much fear for herself, but like when she's being interrogated early on in episode four, they're like, you know, give me a target, and and you know, like you know, and like even though she knows that it's not the actual target, when she says Dante, she knows what she's committing that planet to, and she's fearful for it. Yeah, and then when they go ahead and and and destroy Alderon, anyways, like like she's definitely afraid, but it's not for her, it's for the circumstance of the war.

SPEAKER_03 10:42

No, she and she she, I mean, she just dogged Tarkin to his face, yeah, right, had zero fear of Vader's what like seven foot two ass. Like, I mean, he just she just walks up to him in the hallway, you know, and it's like she has zero fear. So for her to act any other way after at you know, at the end of Rogue One, I feel like it was on brand for her. You know, she's got she's got the the transmission, you know. She's she's right, and that's not I'm not I'm not saying that she doesn't feel fear, obviously. I'm sure she does, I'm sure she feels it, you know, very deeply. But man, that woman is so hardcore, she doesn't let it show, she doesn't break a sweat, she's got a very serious poker face going on.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

I'm like she's committed to the cause and she's gonna do what she's gotta do.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

I was kind of hoping to see her even a glimpse or a mention in and or season two because I feel at that time, because she would have been about 16 years old, I think at that time, so she would have been around somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

There was talk of that. I Snips and I were talking about this on the way home tonight from work, and uh they were talking about possibly introducing or having like a walk-on cameo of Leia at the um the Senate. Yeah, the scene where the new where uh Benjamin Bratt uh you know shows up as Bale Organa political function. You could have had like a 16-year-old girl in white with him. I uh from what I understand is the the the feeling was it would have been more of a that scene was there to introduce Benjamin as Bale, okay? They'd have stepped on their punchline.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

I gotcha. I gotcha. Like that's I I didn't expect that I didn't expect her to show up. I when I saw Bale, I kind of expected her to be mentioned. Like, if nothing else is this is a reason why I have to stay, is because I have to take care of my daughter.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Like like that, I would have understood uh to not mention that at all was a little surprising, but I don't without saying her name, I think that was sort of because yeah, it was implied she'll be a hostage. Yeah, it's like, well, he's a hostage because he's his job is to keep Leia protected and healthy.

Leia’s Fearlessness And Vader’s Shadow

SPEAKER_03 12:55

And then he and then he got he got her away, right? You know, a couple years later, he was able to get her away, which was which was smart because otherwise she would have gone out like everybody else, but she all he also knew who she was and her importance. So obviously, you know, he wants to maintain her protection, and of course, he loved her like a like a real daughter, obviously. So and how did you guys feel about that? About Benjamin Bratt, the Benjamin Bratt switch.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

I said this on on uh social media for as for Star Wars Safe Space and whatnot. I liked him. I I thought you know, I would have liked to have Jimmy Smith's, but if he wasn't available for whatever reason, schedule, you know, money, whatever it was. I it's like saying, Okay, here's having uh an all-star pitcher as your backup, you know, your second show. If you can't get Jimmy, uh an actor like Benjamin Bratt steps into the role and you're like, problem solved. Because and he it I he had a great interview on Good Morning America. I think they were asking him about, you know, he's an actor, but he's also a fan who grew up with you know, it was talking about you know seeing these movies originally, and the idea that him stepping into a known character was a big deal for him personally. I was like, Yeah, it's one thing to play a new character, it's one thing to be in a in a new series, but to say, oh, I'm stepping into Bale Organa, who's already been well established by a phenomenal actor in his own right, and not just doing a copy of Jimmy Smith, but he said he wanted to put his own spin on things. I love the fact uh the part where K2 you know tells Andorsa the man you don't like is outside, like they didn't get along, yeah. And there were moments even where it's like you know, when Luthan, you know, they were sort of downplaying Luthan's contribution to the rebellion, and I love how Andor and even Mothma were like, Okay, we wouldn't be here without him, right? And it was nice to kind of see Bale as sort of not an adversary, but like they weren't always kumbaya amongst themselves, right?

The Rebellion’s Dirty Hands

SPEAKER_03 15:00

And you know what, and that's that's a that's a really good point, and that was um that was something that was one of the topics I wanted to talk about. So that's a good transition. Let's talk about the dark side of the rebellion. You know, we we look at we look at the rebellion as being the good guys, you know, but we have we have some people doing some really, really bad shit for the right reasons, you know. I mean, and or I mean when we see him in rogue one, I mean he takes his buddy out. I mean, you know, we see him in in season one, you know, he's you know, killing cops, you know, he's he's he's not afraid to take somebody out, but he so believes in the cause. I mean, he's I felt like he was just one one nudge away from being Saw Guerrera, you know, like Saw had already he lost his shit and he he had already gone over the edge, but um, so what do you what are your thoughts on on the morality of the rebellion? You know, you've got you've got Mon Mothma, and she's her hands have to be kept clean, and I think everyone around her was trying to do as as well as they could to to make that happen because if we're all getting our hands dirty, but Mon has to stay clean, you know, and so so then we see other people doing shady shit on her behalf or on the rebellion's behalf. So, what are your thoughts on that? Did what were lines crossed?

SPEAKER_00 16:35

Well, compared to who? I mean, you've got you know the the Empire literally, yeah. I thought the the middle episode of the the Gorman arc was fantastic, where yeah, you know, it was very themed on the French resistance. And oh yeah, yeah, 100%. There there were the moment when when Cassie and and you know a professional rebel sees this like local resistance thinking, oh, they're opening the plaza. No, they're making a funnel for you to walk into. Yeah, yeah. So I saw it was a great post. Um somebody on somebody made online a picture of the stormtroopers coming down the stairs into the plaza and the K Xeroids and said basically saying, Yeah, and or the first time I've ever felt afraid of stormtroopers before. And I'm like, that was the point of Star Wars from the beginning. You're not supposed to like these guys, they are the space Nazis, they aren't literal uh you know, uh mass executive execution of a people, which is generally considered a bad thing most times. But uh compared to uh you know, how do you fight an evil like that without uh using some uh some questionable tactics? Yeah, like like Luthman says, you know, he he he burns his life or you know, uh sunrise he won't see. Right, yeah, the rebellion has to get dirty to fight the empire on its terms, yeah. Otherwise, this is just talk, it's just empty protesting.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Right. You can't possibly win a battle against a force uh that strong without having to cross some moral lines, like there's just no way. Um, and you always have to couch it in the you know, yes, some of us are gonna have to do some bad things, but we're doing it against worse people, and we're doing it for the benefit of everybody else, and we know we're gonna be damned for it. Um I have quite a lot of thoughts on this. Um, I I see a lot of parallels to other media. You mentioned you know, we have to keep Mon clean, and that's absolutely correct. And for me, the parallel to that is Harvey Denton, the Batman trilogy. Oh where it's the you know, like like he was the best of us. We like he has to be that clean person. We can be bad, but he has to be that clean person because otherwise we don't have a public face, right? And so mod is filling that role. Meanwhile, Luthan, I think, you know, for lack of a better parallel because it's not perfect, he reminds me very much of V from V from Vandetta, where it's the he knows he's building a future that he's not going to be a part of, right? But he's he has to do this, he knows he's gonna die doing it, but this is his role that he has to play to fulfill a better future for the rest of us, and what a great line, too, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:31

That line, like I'll I'm gonna burn it down for a sunrise, I'll never see.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

And and again, imagine you know, we talked about this last season on Clone Wars. Imagine if Sagarera could had managed a if Stila had been alive. Oh, yeah, but also as we find out, if Sagarrera wasn't you know huffing Rhydonium because he thinks he's his sister, you know, everything people think well, Sagarera's a fanatic. He's a fanatic, he's crazy because he's been through so much. He's been through so much to try to deaden that pain. He's huffing v fumes of of explosives that would normally kill people to kill people, and that's where the the breathing mask and all that stuff. Yeah, if he had kept if he could have kept some semblance of of sanity together, you know, he could have been just as great as Luthin. And I think that that's almost a part well, that's where his story becomes more of a tragedy in that yes, he's an extremist, yes, he crosses the line more than the rebellion does. And I love the scene, you know, they did it in rebels a little bit, but the the scene they do in Andor, where the you know Mons arguing with you know, yeah, he's he's worried about you know spies within his ranks, the rebellion, you know, you're you're you're you're tracking, you know. He's so out of whack up here, yeah that he's not an effective uh tool for the rebellion, and that's why they had to cut him loose. And that leads into rogue one, where it's like, hey, you know that crazy guy? We need to talk to him.

SPEAKER_03 21:01

Yeah, now we need to talk to him.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

Now we gotta talk. And and it really shows, like, you know, you know, when Andor's like, look, we need this, we need this girl to get to Saw because otherwise he'll probably shoot us.

SPEAKER_03 21:13

Yeah, yeah, and that's the thing, you never know if Saw's gonna turn on you. You know, but it's like he's you know, it's I think for him. What's that?

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Look what look at how he he turned on Willem when you know he was there to advise about the the drilling thing, and you know, he he picks off a guy he thinks is a is a spy, yeah, and then he says, Oh, you're not leaving. I need you. It's like that wasn't the deal.

SPEAKER_03 21:38

The waters, the waters for Saw got so muddied, you know. I mean, it's like he he he really lost sight. I mean, he was there for the cause. He would have died, he did die for the rebellion, no doubt about it. But I think had he not died, um I think that he would have become. A much, much worse figure. I think it would have been he the lines really would have been blurred and he would have gone to any means necessary. You know, he already was at that point, but I think he would have gotten much, much worse. So, you know, in the end, he went out. I was never happy with the way he went out. I would have preferred that he went out like in battle, but you know, basically it it took half of a planet to kill him. So I guess that's pretty that's pretty hardcore, too. So but great series, Andor is incredible. I thought that it was a nice lead up to Rogue One. Do you guys feel that it was it was a pretty good lead up to Rogue One?

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Especially the last three episodes was just I uh my family's doing it right now, they're watching the last three episodes, and afterwards we're probably gonna watch Rogue because it's such a great tie in that montage at the end alone and Tony hasn't seen it yet.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

Tony hasn't seen it yet.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Yeah, I don't want to give credit.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

Yeah, you gotta watch it.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Yeah, I'm being vague as I can, and it was just you know, it so many little the shoelaces. Yeah, people talk about Easter eggs, the shoelaces got tied. The all the things we wanted to know about Rogue One going in, and or ties the shoelaces for.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

I agree. I agree. I was very happy with uh with how how it all wrapped up. And Tony, I yeah, once you once you watch those three episodes, I'm really curious to hear what your take is.

Blog Plug And Transition

SPEAKER_01 23:23

Well, uh you know, it's something that uh I'm gonna be I've been working on it for a little while now, and I'm gonna be watching the last few episodes later tonight. Uh by the end of the week, I'm gonna have I've already got like because about four or five pages worth of a blog post going over episode by episode. Okay, that'll all get posted when it's done. Okay.

Star Wars Night At Disneyland

SPEAKER_03 23:45

Um yeah, that's cool. So yeah, and also uh that is that's a nice little tie-in too, because we have blogs. Circle of nerds.com slash blogs B-L-O-G-S. Head on over to the website and uh check it out. We've got a few. We got a new one and then a bunch of old ones, but they're all worth reading uh while you're uh you know doing your weekend number twos. So that's good stuff. Uh now Crash, we we do need to talk about leading up to season six of the Clone Wars. Do you want to do you wanna regale us with your tales before or after we talk about the Clone Wars?

SPEAKER_00 24:26

Let me do it now so we can focus on the Clone Wars. Um, as everybody that follows us on social media knows, I was out at Disneyland for May 4th. Again, how many times you how many times have you been to Disney this year, Galaxy's Edge? Um, this was my first time. This is I've only been to Disneyland three times.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Uh Disneyland, how have you been to Disney World yet this year? Not yet.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Um a couple days I'll be there. Hey, it's Crash's Corner, man. I gotta get my travel blogs in. There you go, there you go. So, anyways, my family wanted to go see do the Star Wars Night special events at Disneyland. Uh, they have all sorts of great stuff. Uh, you I saw that Death Star cake in the Grand California Hotel made out of rice crispy. It's this giant Death Star in the lobby. That's cool. Beautiful, it's fantastic. Um, got to spend some quality time in Batuu, uh, which is in their Disneyland.

SPEAKER_04 25:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

Um met Luke Skywalker, which is a personal yay for me. I was I was I'm a guy excited about that. Um, I adopted my Tauntaun bucket over here. Uh everybody meets meet Steve, Steve the Tonton. Good old Steve. And it's just great. It's like you said, we got to go, and then the park closes, and the after hours event happens, and you get fun stuff like these. These are swizzle sticks for the drinks. Come on, they come, these are hard to get. And they got them in red and they got them in blue, they got the castle all uh lit up, and you could do a thing with a QR code where basically whoever lightside, dark side, whoever gets the most votes, the castle animation will shift uh accordingly.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

God, that's awesome!

SPEAKER_00 26:11

And it's just great. They got Star Wars theme food, they got you know, uh all the characters out there. They do a big thing uh in Galaxy's Edge where Ray shows up, and people the whole plaza is built. Everybody's got lightsabers that they let them up all at once. It's this great big moment. Um, we were in the front of the park in like Frontierland critter country, where Winnie the Pooh stuff is. Uh, I got a great picture of me and my dad riding uh speeders, they have a uh indoor speed bike. What? So and they're they're cut in half. So you stand behind these this prop speeder, so there's me, and then there's a guy who looks like me, but maybe you know 30 years older, and he's wearing uh my dad's got this uh X-Wing pilot hoodie on, he's got his Mickey ears on, and uh it was great for me. I I mentioned this on a post. I said growing up, my dad worked late nights and third shifts kind of stuff. So he I didn't get to play with him a lot when I was a kid doing Star Wars stuff. So the idea now as adults that you know he can come with me and we could be silly and do this kind of stuff. Um, it was fantastic. I had a we had a great time. God, that's awesome. We're gonna go, we're gonna go on another trip down to um Walt Disney World sometime in this calendar year. Uh, I'm gonna do some more uh Crash's corners from Batuu for you guys, give you some heads up on what to do. Because the the beauty is Batuu in California and Florida are almost identical. The only thing different is the X-wing is on placed in a different spot. Other than that, it's identical.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

So could you like at some point, at some point, yeah, could you do like a tutorial for us for those of us who have never been like that was ins and outs? Like how like where do you start? Like, how do you? I mean, there's so many, there's so many different things and nuances, and like if you if you just go, if you just buy tickets and go, you're not gonna see anything, you're not gonna experience anything, you're gonna be standing in line, and maybe you don't get it, maybe you know, there's just so many like little tricks and tips that was helpful.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Yeah, that was my my my my plan. That's kind of what I did. Um, I recorded a whole bunch of stuff that I didn't end up posting because I looked at it and I went, Yeah, I could probably do this better when we go back, yeah, in Batuu, especially. Um, but yeah, I could totally, you know, that was kind of the whole point of Crash's Corner is that I wanted it to be a tips, and you know, I I've been very fortunate, very blessed that we travel a lot as a family and we do a lot of Star Wars themed stuff together. So between convention, like tomorrow I'm heading up to Detroit for Motor CityCon, I'll have some more reports from there. Nice. Um, but yeah, as far as the Disney stuff, I really wanted to show you guys what Galaxy's Edge is like and what there is, what's what's there to do. Um, and we just scratched the surface, and I'm already looking forward to going back and doing more.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

Well, we've we've got to go as like a crew, man. We've got it like like October 2027. I'm planning on going to Disneyland for Halloween. So that's the plan. So as long as I survive, and as long as you know America's not blown to bits, I I I hope that that's gonna be, but I but I'm warning you now, if we all go as a crew, I'm gonna be in tears like the first day seeing the Falcon in real life for the first time. I'm not afraid to admit I'm gonna be crying my face.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

I'll tell you, first thing you need to do is nice. I said in the video, get there first thing in the morning, go straight to Ronto Roasters, get yourself a Ronto rep, breakfast Ronto wrap, just sit on the balcony and watch the world go by. You just watch the waves of people. The characters usually come out in the mornings, especially in Florida because it gets hot. Um, and Snips and I were looking for Ahsoka because they had a bunch of the newer characters out.

SPEAKER_03 29:57

And explain explain to our listeners who Snips is. You too, you talk about Snips a lot. That's not your imaginary friend, right? That's not your Snips is my sister.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

Uh her real name's Emily, and I call her Snips because she is very much like Ahsoka. And when that show aired, yeah, we put it just the name stuck because that's the kind of have her on the show sometimes. Oh, she chimed in a couple times in the YouTube com in the comments at the bottom. You've read a couple of hers. But um, yeah, so we got there and yeah, we were looking for the Ahsoka from the party. There were there were people, there were fans dressed up in Ahsoka costumes that were top-notch. And if you didn't notice that like that, the bottom was a dress, you would think this was a Disney character. And and and people have to be very self-conscious about you know, I I was going up taking pictures of people in great costumes, and they're like, Oh no, no, I'm not a cast member. Like, I know you look great. I just you know, like it. Yeah, I always say, you know, I tell people like, oh hey, cousin Billy, you know, so we're just part of the family click. And I and I and I would tell them about the podcast. And we the the bun, some of you guys were are have already chimed in on our our Facebook account, and you know, thanks for tuning in. Um, it was a really great time. So we're and Snips and I were in Galaxy's Edge, Batu Plaza, looking for Ahsoka where she comes out. So I'm hanging out in one end of Batu by the first order ship. She's hanging out in the marketplace. Our parents are over by the Millennium Falcon, and I get on a cell phone and be like, you know, blue milk the marketplace, blue milk the marketplace. No site. You guys are staking it out. That's awesome. And that's all we the first time we went, that's what we did. We staked out the place, and just and this was like still during like just post-COVID lockdown, so the characters weren't as interactive. I got stopped by Boba Fett. He came up to me out of the blue and like talked and did a thing with me in character, and and you play along, and I was like, that was I would die.

SPEAKER_03 31:52

I would die if Boba Fett came up to me. I would die. I that was that would be it. I would be, I would literally just die right there, and my ghost would continue to haunt Galaxy's Edge for eternity.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

And we ended up we did end up finding Ahsoka, and Emily got a picture with her, and it was great, but it was just it was that that's the beauty of going to Disney as a family, as of adults, like we are, is that we're intentionally going there to have fun, so we don't worry about you know screaming kids or you know, I need a snack, or I need it, you know. We do my my dad always had to say we go on vacation and we live in a way that makes other people who see us want to be us. I like that, and it and and that's that's everywhere we've gone, that's sort of the way we approach it. We're there to have a good time, so yeah, yeah, we argue a little bit, we yeah, we have some different differences, but at the end of the day, we are there to have a blast, and we and we've always had a good time with it at Disney Parks.

SPEAKER_03 32:45

Well, tell your dad it works because I've only heard about your adventures, and I want to be you. I want to, I want to go where you go and do what you do, um, because damn. Now, let me let me ask you about the about the I I know with other characters, Disney's really, really big on making sure that their cast members really really fit the bill. Um, and I know it's easier to do with animated characters, but when you're talking about live-action face characters, you know, it's maybe a little more difficult. So is this is when Ahsoka's coming out, is this a young Ahsoka or is this Rosario Dawson Ahsoka?

SPEAKER_00 33:25

They have her uh dressed uh in the Ahsoka the White outfit. So everything in Batuu is set in the sequel trilogy era, either shortly after Return of the Jedi, but before like you can see Mandalorian and Grogu come out as well. We saw we we saw that we've seen them before.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

Um we are in Mandalorian. So we're but we're basically but we're not, but we're also um we're also uh first order era as well, right? Yeah, first Kylo's there, and then Ray.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Um Boba Fett's in Book of Boba Fett armor, Fennec Shen, Ahsoka's in her white outfit, Hara, Sabine, um, are all in their Ahsoka, you know, post-return of the Jedi looks.

SPEAKER_03 34:14

I saw Sabine, she looks fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

Oh, they got great the character actors they have both both there in a California adventure for the Marvel campus, are just top-notch. They had a guy, they just debuted a guy uh Red Guardian in in Avengers campus. And I mean, you can't help but talk like he had the voice just when you see this dude.

SPEAKER_03 34:36

We we just saw Thunderbolts uh over the weekend, and like I we're watching it. It's like, man, if I was taller, I would totally cosplay him. I would totally cosplay him.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

That's all I I know a lot of our friends in the Viper like to talk about how they're the preferred professional you know, Disney characters put anything a fan group's do, especially when it comes to interacting with people. Like the Luke Skywalker is good, you know. It's not he's obviously not a clone of Mark Hamill, but I mean oh, yeah, sure. The the costumes top-notch, the the hair, the the wig he wears is it's good better than some guys I've seen in the legions. But he interacts so well.

SPEAKER_03 35:14

So the vibe is there, right?

SPEAKER_00 35:15

He's got he's got the vibe, the vibe is there, and that's that's always uh for me. Even when I was in the Legion, that was my I was not a face character, but my thing was I don't look like any particular character, but I want to make sure the vibe is there and the interactiveness with especially kids, was my priority. Okay, and and Disney people put us to shame.

SPEAKER_03 35:35

Well, yeah, I mean, you know, they they they kind of have the budget and they're getting paid to do it. Well, yeah, how cool would that be? How cool? I don't know how much cast members get paid, but honestly, I feel like I would take a pay cut to be a I mean, I don't know, maybe they get paid more than I do. I don't know, but I but I I think I would take whatever they gave me to be a cast member because and I know it's gotta be difficult. You're in the costumes, it's you know, but as cosplayers, we've done this as as 501st, you know, guys. We've we've been in the hot costumes we've you know for hours and hours. So I mean we could do it. So you know Disney, hey, hey. If you're looking for if you're looking for a Captain Rex, I mean I I got you, you don't even have to give me the costume, I've already got it.

SPEAKER_00 36:21

So and another thing I was really special was um our taxi driver, we took a uh shuttle taxi to the to the park in our hotel. Um, he was telling us uh we you know we've all heard on the news about the LA wildfires.

SPEAKER_02 36:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

And it was interesting having a local pointing out as you're driving along the freeway, like, oh yeah, uh 10 miles from here, like I, you know, I'm wearing they did a fundraiser shirt for the uh local Red Cross fire department people.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

All the proceeds from these shirts went to the local, yeah. They're bit the the people in LA are being very supportive of their first responders after this, and it was just good nice to chip in a little bit and say, Yeah, I we appreciate you and God bless you, man.

SPEAKER_03 37:04

Okay, yeah, I mean, it saved a lot of lives. And these are the guys that they run towards the danger, not away from it, you know. Like you gotta you gotta tip the hat, and you know, if you can help support. That's cool that Disney did that, though, you know. Yeah, you know, I I know Disney is also like the evil empire and a soulless capitalist, you know, beast, but uh even if it's just for PR, they're still raising money for a good cause.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

Uh I'll yeah, you know, you know, the meme to shut up and take my money is it don't even shut up. Like, I'll gladly let me have gladly and let me have a good time. I'll I'll I'll I'll blow my money in Disney before I do another casino anytime.

SPEAKER_03 37:40

Yeah, oh happily, happily, happily do it. Yes, somebody said something about uh um uh they said, you know, I don't have kids. Why should I pay taxes for school? You know, and I had posted something on my Facebook. I said I would happily, happily, happily see my my money, my tax dollars going to pay for school lunches, arts programs, things like that. Whether I had kids or not is irrelevant. But anyway, all right, moving on. Let's uh if uh if you don't mind, if you wanted to, if you wanted to get more into this, if you wanted to write something for the blog site, or if you wanted to post as many videos as you want about your experiences, I think that uh people would find that really useful. Yeah, and you can put them up on our our pages and our sites and all that fun stuff.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

Yeah, I I yeah, exactly. I'm focusing mostly on the Facebook page and and the Crashes Corner videos, but after the show, yeah, we'll talk about yeah, I can start how to how to send you text or how to get me into the system to to post stuff. Yeah, love to because especially uh again, I've been very fortunate to be well traveled both domestically and internationally, and it's just fun to share, especially when it's Star Wars related. I've met so many people. I like Andrew, I I got I have friends everywhere.

Fandom Unity And The Theme Of Hope

SPEAKER_03 38:54

Yeah, I and I I agree with you. It's like say what you want about Star Wars. I mean, like we've we always say, you know, we love it, but we don't always like it. But one thing about Star Wars, depending it doesn't even matter what side you're on. Are you are you part of the fandom menace? Are you you know the like us? We're just the lovable shills throwing all of our money at the franchise. It doesn't matter what side of the Star Wars coin you're on. I think what we're all united in this shared love of the franchise, you know, even the fandom menace, they're they wouldn't be this passionate about hating things unless they loved something about it, you know. I think somebody some of them are like going a little overboard just for the clicks and the views and the the the monetary reimbursement, the performative side of it, the performative side of it, sure. But you can't you can't have that level of hate for a franchise you don't love or that you hadn't haven't loved in the past. So I I really think that uh that's one of the things I love about Star Wars. I'm sure other fandoms are the same way, other fans feel the same way about their fandoms, but like you said, you know, this is this is international. We could go anywhere, and we will meet Star Wars fans that will treat us like family, you know, they'll open their homes to us, they'll troop with us, they'll they'll want to hang out, we'll sit and we'll talk for hours and debate and drink and eat and all about Star Wars, all about space wizards and laser swords. Because at the end of the day, that's that's really what all this is about. And the always ever-present underlying message of hope, no matter what. That is the one constant throughout Star Wars, no matter what you're watching, I don't care what episode or what movie you're watching, there's always that message of hope everywhere. And the fandom menace, uh, you know, they give people a hard time, we give them a hard time, but I think even them, they they aren't the ones that aren't grifting for money, but the ones that actually legitimately feel betrayed and feel hurt by the direction, you know, that and some of the choices that Disney has made over the years. Um, I was hurt by the loss of the EU, but I'm grateful that we're getting little bits of it sprinkled back into us. But, you know, it's they have hope that Star Wars for them, they have hope that Star Wars is gonna get better. You know, Star Wars right now is the dark times for them. You know, they they've they've lived through, you know, the the the golden age of the republic, and now they're living in the dark times because they hate what's happening in Star Wars. But they're but they're holding out hope. Oh, we gotta hurry up. Tony's about to fall asleep. He's over there yawning. Or I'm just rambling and being boring as fuck.

Clone Wars Season Six Preview

SPEAKER_02 41:52

But anyway, so let's talk about season six. Let's talk about season six.

SPEAKER_03 41:55

That's why we're here. That's what we're supposed to be doing. So season six, we've got uh we've got a lot going on coming up in season six, and I wish, I wish Louie was on the show with us tonight because two of his favorite characters are featured heavily in season six, Yoda and Fives, Clone Trooper Fives. So um, and Crash, obviously, you've seen it already. Tony, you haven't seen season six, is that correct? Correct. Okay, so we've got a Clovis Arc, Clovis's back, Padme's former lover. Um, and uh there's maybe gonna be a little a little tension between her former lover and her current lover, husband, maybe father of her children. Um so Tony, this is mostly for you. Like, what do you so we're gonna see? We're gonna see Yoda going on a journey. Uh is and and we're gonna be delving a little bit more into the dark side. Is this something that you're that you're interested in seeing? Is like more of Yoda's journey, or are you more interested in seeing the clones, or do you like more of like the political side of things as we move into season?

SPEAKER_01 43:07

Um I mean, I'm always I mean, I'm happy for pretty much any content. That being said, um, I mean, it's called the Clone Wars. I want to see the clones. I want I you know, I I know where the story is going. Sure. There's obviously we've been steadily going down this path, and like you can see the groundwork that laid, yeah, but like we know how bad it is when we get to the end game. So I know we're going down that path, and I'm like, as much as there's parts of me that don't want to see it, I want to see it.

SPEAKER_03 43:48

Like you want to see how we get there. You know where we're going, but you don't know how we get there.

unknown 43:55

Right.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

Crash, and you've seen this all already. So what are your What are your thoughts on this season? Because this was this season really does kind of take take a different turn.

SPEAKER_00 44:06

Yeah, uh my my take on this was uh I didn't watch it originally uh when it was I don't I didn't have Netflix, so I didn't get to watch it until it came on DVD Blu-ray. Uh so I got to watch them all as one big collection, you know, kind of like when Disney. And that was that was kind of a nice way to like just dive right in. Um the show ended abruptly. It wasn't cancelled because it was underperforming or anything else, it was just a product of the Disney cell cell for Lucasfilm. Right. And so they just yeah, you had this show that was sort of running on all cylinders and was going off into different tangents, and it comes to a sudden stop, and then shortly after when they went, Well, we've got some stuff done. So we're gonna give you these like little mini arcs that we were probably gonna do in the next season, anyways.

SPEAKER_03 45:01

Right.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

And fives was a big one, like you said. Uh the Yoda one was interesting because it was interesting, yeah. It it it it starts to lay some seeds for what we know about him later on. Um yeah, can yeah, uh the the Padme Clovis Anakin triangle uh feels is a little forced, in my opinion. Like I was like, okay, we're doing the Clovis thing just so we can bring Catherine back and you know we can have some Anakin Padme tension. Sure. But it's a good you know, it's it's a good story. It's just you can tell this was like a a a mini tangent that they they they would were gonna go down in in the next season anyway.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

Right.

SPEAKER_00 45:48

Because everything, yeah, every yeah, as we get closer to Revenge of the Sith, there's always there's just like okay, where are Anakin and Padme at this point? Where are they in their relationship? We know where they're gonna end, you know, she's gonna end up pregnant, but you know, where things rocky, where things bumpy along the way, you know. So I was like, okay, we're bringing the ex-boyfriend back. Anakin's gonna hate his guts. Let's just get through that one. Uh, and you see a different side of of the Confederacy, and I was like, okay, cool. There's there's there's good things to take out of it. The Yoda one was kind of a bit a little on the I don't know what the right term is. It gets real trippy real fast.

SPEAKER_03 46:30

It's it's a little unsettling at times. Yeah, it's a little, yeah. There's uh yeah, I don't I can I don't I'm afraid to say anything else.

SPEAKER_00 46:39

I'm yeah, but and and and just as a previous it it got a little trippy, and you're like, okay, we're we're we're it's kind of like that one where C3P on R2 went underground with the little Oh with the with the wolf pack, yeah. With the wolf pack and wolf and element, yeah, we're we're we're getting mystical, is I guess a better way to describe it. Yeah. I was like, okay, that was cool. Um and they're fun episodes, and and and they're okay. Yeah, and that's and I think the fact that those were so well received, you know, after again, the show was can't was and and over time, I think is what eventually led Disney to say, hey, Dave, you wanna you wanna do a season seven? You know, we'll give you a proper ending, tie into Revenge of the City. Yeah, again, tie the shoelaces, connect the dots, right? Get us to that end point, as opposed to just saying, oh hey, uh the company's sold, show's over.

SPEAKER_03 47:37

And they really they really could have done the fans dirty, but they didn't.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

Oh, they could have they could have pulled the Firefly on us so bad.

SPEAKER_03 47:46

Oh, geez. That that is Firefly is a heartbreak I will never heal from. Ever. Yeah, ever. I it's just oh and uh anyway, anyway. I would there there's been talk of them trying to bring Firefly back as an animated series, but I don't know. I think it's better just uh let it let it let it rest.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

Yeah, it it was a moment, it was a very you know, the fact that they the fan rising up got a movie was was a big deal, yeah. Yeah for a show that you know only did one season.

SPEAKER_03 48:26

Only one season.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

And I I think it's it's kind of the thing, even a reboot, I don't think, would be with new actors, would be like that wasn't what we loved about it. And but enough time has gone by that I don't know if they could just jump back in. There's a lot of revivals now lately. Everybody's like trying to restart old franchises. I don't think Firefly is one that they could do successfully.

SPEAKER_03 48:49

I oh man, you want to talk about fandom menace level shit. I think that uh Firefly purists would would rise, it would have to be done so well with so much love. It so a new Firefly show, I don't I don't it couldn't be a reboot, you couldn't recast. Um it would have to it would have to be a love letter to the first season of Firefly. And obviously, you can't I don't think anyone's coming back. You can't bring back Wash, obviously. There's people you can't bring back, and and part of the the joy of that series was the ensemble cast. So you've got to have a whole brand new cast and maybe bring the survivors back in cameo from time to time, but but you because look what happened in our and look at look at the original Battlestar Galactica, which was a beloved show from our childhood, um, with a crappy spin-off second season.

SPEAKER_00 49:50

I mean, Galactica in 1980 wasn't great, but it was the best you could do it back then. Um when they did BSG, they literally just said, Hey, we're just gonna start from scratch, we're gonna change some things, we're gonna we're gonna deal with the fan reaction to that, and we're just gonna do our nailed it. Nailed it.

SPEAKER_03 50:09

They nailed it, they nailed it. Even recasting uh like gender bending Starbuck. Um, I know a lot of fans are like, but you've got Katie fucking just bringing it home every single episode, fucking delivering every single episode.

SPEAKER_00 50:28

I loved she she does a great podcast. Who doesn't do it? But she does a great podcast where she talks about that, and and and she just had Sam Whitware on, and so it was a galactica reunion for the two of them. And I'm just like, I love hearing them talk shop about what it was like for on their side of the camera. You know, I I know I remember what the the the the the the nerdverse was reacting to these shows when they came out, but whenever she can get like a Sam Whitwer or Trisha Helfer on, I love hearing them talk shop about oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

And how cool is it that her and her and Sam end up on Star Wars years later? I mean, that's so cool. And I think was it was she talking to Jonathan Frakes about possibly doing Star Trek? Like she wants to do Star Trek.

SPEAKER_00 51:10

Oh, she wants, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:11

She wants to do she was talking. I thought it was Jonathan Frakes, maybe not. I guess he's he might be working on a different project or a new project.

SPEAKER_00 51:18

Well, he's he's big on directing now for all the new Star Trek shows.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

Yes, so I think he was like, Yeah, just let me know your availability. So then so Katie Hat Sacoff will officially become Queen of the Nerds, like she will be queen of the Nerdiverse, like period, bar none, because she'll have she'll have Battlestar Galactica, she'll have Star Trek, she'll have Star Wars. Um, she's been featured on Big Bang Theory, you know. So I mean, she's she is Queen of the Nerds.

SPEAKER_00 51:44

She did the Flash as a recurring character.

SPEAKER_03 51:46

She did the Flash. So, all right. So we're gonna wrap up here pretty soon. Season six, we're getting ready to start that homework for season six. We would like for you to watch episodes one through four of season six. So we're gonna break these up into their arcs. So I think the Clovis arc is just three episodes, and then we're gonna have like two straggler episodes at the end. So we're gonna but we'll we'll figure it out, we'll get it all worked out.

SPEAKER_00 52:12

And we may have some some new surprises for you guys along the way. Uh, we're working on bringing some guests on the show to kind of mix things up a little bit.

Most Heartbreaking Star Wars Journeys

SPEAKER_03 52:21

Fingers crossed. Sam, come on, buddy. I know you're watching. You watch every week, I know you do. So please come on, join us because you're you're king of the nerds. If Katie is queen of the nerds, Sam, you're you're king of the nerds. I've heard you. Well, no, no disrespect, but I think maybe Dave might be king of the nerds. But you're you're definitely Sam is not Emperor. Okay, yes, please, please. So Dave is Dave is Emperor of the Nerds, and Sam is King of the Nerds. And that's I don't know. We'll figure we'll figure it out. Um, but before we go, I do have a quick question for you guys. Yeah. Um, because we are moving into the real heartbreaking phase of Star Wars here. I mean, Star Wars is always about you know that that rise, fall, and then rise back to hope. So um, in your opinions, who had the most devastating, heart-wrenching journey in Star Wars? Anakin, Rex, Padme, Andor? Um, Obi-Wan? You know, or was it Han Solo with I know? What I mean what what what really really just who do you think has like the the the most just heart-wrenching journey? I put you on the spot, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 53:53

That's okay. All right.

SPEAKER_01 53:54

This may this may be a little recency bias. All right, that's okay. Um but from what I've seen, uh like we don't have a ton of history on the character, but I have enough for myself right now. Um, I think Bix deserves to be in the running. Okay, all right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:14

Bix is gone. Yeah, that's you're not wrong. Bix has been through it. Crash, what do you think?

SPEAKER_00 54:22

Um oh Tony, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

Oh, Tony, you got more. Yeah, um, I mean uh, you know, where we are in the story arc right now, Ahsoka's definitely got a claim to the run, but uh obviously we know her story's nowhere near done yet, so you know I can't really you know go too far down that road. Um and I mean I definitely think Padme's definitely got uh a claim to the crown as well. But those would be my top three. All right. Crash, what do you think?

SPEAKER_00 54:54

Um off the top of my head, the the the person I I I I feel a general sense of empathy for the most is Rex.

SPEAKER_04 55:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:07

Uh we we talked about Umbarra, we saw the trauma of that uh on him. Uh and that's gonna carry over uh into this season and and season seven especially. Um Mon Mothma. Yeah, and the the thing that really changed my my mind about in Andor was this the the heartbreak of Mon Mothma.

SPEAKER_03 55:33

Think about the weight she has to carry.

SPEAKER_00 55:35

Yeah, it's one thing to say, well, okay, you're the like you said, she's the the shining knight that that that has to stay clean in the rebellion. But just look, you know, look at the things she's lost or had to sacrifice, you know, her daughter to an arranged marriage, yeah. Yeah, her husband who just doesn't give two shits about her.

SPEAKER_03 55:54

No, her daughter was an asshole too, though.

SPEAKER_00 55:56

Yeah, her daughter turned on like a not a lot of sympathy, but as a mother, you just like that wedding episode was fantastic where you're trying to like, if you want to back out, I'll yeah, we'll back you on that. It's okay to say I don't want to do this, right? And the kid was so wrapped up in the you know, she's such a fanatic that she was just like, I I why would I not want this?

SPEAKER_04 56:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

But you see the things that Mon has lost along the way, and the you know, the up until the this this show started, we didn't realize that her her cousin was involved. I I don't want to give too much away. Tony's got some episodes. I love the way Val and Mon have bonded. Yeah. Um and within the rebellion. You know, it it it's great. You know, it's nice that she has somebody familiar to kind of latch on to because otherwise it's just she would be again the odd man out in this Yavin Gorilla base. Yeah, yeah, you're right. So those two um are my picks. Okay. All right. Oh, do we have a comment?

SPEAKER_03 56:59

I don't know. Do we have a comment? Oh, we do. So uh I don't know how to pronounce the uh grainy. Granny O'Donnell says everyone has been hurt in so many different heartbreaking ways. Oh, yeah. That is absolutely right throughout Star Wars. Um, also uh goes on to say Rex never had hope before he met the Jedi. Then all hope he had built for the future broke before our eyes, having to kill his brothers. Ouch!

SPEAKER_00 57:33

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:35

Ouch!

SPEAKER_00 57:37

Oh yeah, that that's graining, yeah. That's a good that's a good one. That is a good one.

SPEAKER_03 57:44

That's true. And Rex is my favorite. Rex is my favorite character, and I I've got to if we're doing since Sony, you said we're doing like top three, I guess. Uh I'm sorry, crash, continue. I'm sorry. I oh those were the two.

SPEAKER_00 57:54

I I I could think of a couple more, but those are the two on the top of my head, you know, because in the more recent um, you know, Andor was great in in how they they just showed different characters' connections, yeah. To this trait, yeah. Even uh Cleia, you know, she's teaming up with a guy who you know, we see in the flashback, you know, it was part of some massacre, you know, you know, destroyed her her village. She goes off with him. Yeah. Yeah, I have bias for Rex too.

SPEAKER_03 58:22

I mean, I think we all have a little bias for uh sexy Rexy, but you know, with Cleia, you can see her anger, you know, about you know just fueling her, you know.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

When she has to pull the plug on Luthan, I mean it's like she's losing, you know. They they they talk you know about being uh father-daughter when it's necessary. Yeah, in that moment, I mean, she really was his daughter, and you can see the how much doing this that needed to be done, yeah, just tore at her. And it was like, yeah, great acting, great writing. You know, the show's just top-notch. I I I'm biased. I would say, you know, when it comes time for award season, this show should be considered. I just don't get the respect they deserve. But I think that of all of the Star Wars shows, I think this one's got the gravitas to actually say, look, we're a legitimate show contender for some of these awards. I agree.

SPEAKER_03 59:16

And I I do think I think I think Grainy had it right. You know, they said uh everyone has been hurt in so many different ways, uh, so many heartbreaking, how many different heartbreaking ways? Absolutely true. Um, I personally I I love Andor. Um, skeleton crew, still my favorite Star Wars show so far. Um, but if we're talking about tragic journeys, um Rex, of course, you know, uh it doesn't it doesn't end tragic for him though. I mean he he's just one of those like Mon Mothman. He just carries he just carries the weight gracefully, you know, and and in that in itself is tragic, you know. Um but uh I think my my top two tragic figures, Obi-Wan Kenobi, man, Obi-Wan Kenobi. I mean, he has given everything of himself to the point where there's virtually nothing left at the end, and then he literally gives himself to save Luke. You know, his entire journey is just a journey of selflessness. He had love and he oh my god, him and Sateen.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:25

It's like, oh, it hurts my chest so bad.

Farewell To A Fan Community Friend

SPEAKER_03 1:00:29

But it's Obi-Wan Kenobi, man. He he has given up everything for the Jedi Order for the Force, and then finally for Luke and Leia. You know, obviously more for Luke, but I mean, we see what you know what he did for Leia, but gave everything up, and then and then finally, I would say that my my next most tragic figure would be Job of the Hutt. I mean, here you've got this guy just minding his own business, he's got some hobbies, he's got a job, you know, he's he's got some friends, and then all of a sudden, some deadbeat who owes him money starts messing up you know with his job, and then his girlfriend comes and kills him. So he gets murdered by some deadbeat's girlfriend, and and when he's just in the prime of his life, he's a father, he's a he's a local businessman, an entrepreneur, well, a business hut, and there's no sympathy. There's there's no sympathy for Joba at all. And I and I think that that is that is just tragic. That no one has any empathy for for poor Jobba the Hutt. But that's just me. But Obi-Wan for sure. I mean, if we're topping for me, if we're topping the list of tragic figures, it's gotta, it's gotta be Obi-Wan. People might try to edge them out with with Anakin, Darth Vader, but Obi-Wan never killed babies. So for me, Obi-Wan is top-tier tragic figure. Um, we're gonna we're gonna get to some some pimping here in a minute, but uh, does anyone have anything else before we head out?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:07

Correct. Yeah uh before we go, I I posted this on our uh Facebook page. Uh we the Star Wars fan community lost a giant yesterday. Um John Paulson is a was a friend of mine from Sunrider Base, and he you might know him. He was in the uh the 2007 Rose Bowl parade. Remember when the 501st marched and they had a group? Yeah, he was part of the the they called it the hero squad. He was a rebel pilot that got to march alongside the float in that part of the parade. Oh, that's cool. Um good buddy of mine, fellow Y-winger, and uh he tragically died yesterday. Uh he's been battling cancer. So I just wanted to give a fly casual, brother. We will uh see you out there.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:51

All right, may the may the force be with you, brother.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:54

Yes, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:57

And as the Mandalorians say, not gone, just marching far away. There you go. That's it. He's just trooping somewhere different now. That's all. Man, there's a lot. I've got I've got three different names on my my Mandalorian armor for people that have passed. It's just uh it's tough because you form you form friendships. You you know, we're just you know, uh for all the infighting and the politics, we're still just one big family, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:19

And and that's the beauty, like I said earlier, about getting to travel and and go to places like celebration. You know, I've been to the West Coast three times for very celebrations and Disney stuff. I love running into people that I I met on the forums, and I only know them as like a screen name, like like yeah, hazard Hazard 3. Right now, my Facebook profile picture is uh a little hazard squadron, you know, banner with for you know, it says hazard three across the side of it. You know, those guys are great. That the they have like 20-30 pilots in in California, and he is the he was the best among them. That's awesome.

Merch Socials Homework And Sign Off

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

It's awesome that you that you that you knew him, you know, and again, you never would have met him had it not been for Star Wars. Exactly. That's beautiful. God, I love Star Wars, love it, love it, and I don't care, I don't care who hates it, I don't care if you hate it, I don't care if you shit on it, I don't care if you're a part of the fandom menace. How sad for you to feel that way all the time when I just feel so much joy for Star Wars all the time because of things like that, stories like that crash. Love it. None of us would have met without Star Wars, none of us would have met. Well, Tony maybe me. No, no, I wouldn't even know Tony because I met Tony through Louie, and I wouldn't have met Louie un if it wasn't for the 501st, because I was trooping, and I don't think he was trooping yet. He wasn't even involved. We had met on on base, and now we've you know we've all formed this lifelong friendship. Thank you, George Lucas. Slowly, whose birthday it was recently, yeah, yesterday, a couple days ago. Yeah, the maker, the maker. That's gonna be a sad day when uh he becomes one with the force. I don't I don't want to think about it. I don't want to think about it. All right, let's let's end let's end the show on a jolly happy note, shall we? Uh, as we uh pimp our gear. So head on over to our website, circlernerves.com slash merch and uh pick you up some really cool Star Wars safe space stuff. We've got shirts and hoodies and all that fun stuff. And I I don't I'm not wearing one today because it was dirty because I was wearing it all day yesterday. Um, I gotta get more. Um, and uh if you like us and you want to continue to uh uh check us out and see what we're doing from our our day-to-day, follow us on all of the social medias at the SWS show. Uh everywhere. We're probably more active now on Facebook. We've also got our um our Facebook group. Uh it's called Swarzy Curious. It is a very, very private group. Um, we are very particular about uh who joins, it's very exclusive. Uh, because we don't want any haters in there. So no haters um at all. So if you're interested, just look for us on Facebook. SwarzyCurious is the name of our group. But of course, you know, we've got our main page, um, Star Wars Safe Space. So check us out, check us out, check us out. Um, and I think that's it. I did I talked about the merch, we talked about the blog, right? Got our homework assignments, got your homework assignments. Um, that's it. So just thank yous, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:32

Just thank yous.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:33

What you got, what you got, no?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:34

I was just saying, you know, let's not do this again in three weeks from now. Let's do it next week.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:38

Yeah, let's do it next week. Why not? We'll do it next week, at least for the next seven weeks, and then we'll take two weeks off and we'll be back at it again. So uh we want to thank you for tuning in. Uh, we know that you could be doing anything anywhere else right now, but you're making a conscious choice to listen to us. Don't know why, but thank you. Thank you so much. And of course, as always, a uh a tip of the hat and a salute to all of our veterans and active duty service members for going out there and uh for serving and sacrificing every day, every single day, we salute service members, active duty service members, and our first responders. First responders, guard veterans, because even if you're not in combat, you're still serving and you're still sacrificing on a daily basis, and people don't understand this. If you're in the military, you you voluntarily give up some of your constitutional rights, you know, all for the greater good. So thank you so much, brothers and sisters. And that is gonna do it for us this week. Thank you again so much for joining us. You guys got anything else on the way out?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:42

Nope. Uh heading up to Motor City tomorrow. Uh gonna shoot some more stuff for Crash's Corner and maybe throw a vlog up there for you guys. Uh, if you if you're ever in Detroit, you see me say hi.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:52

Heck yeah, that's what I'm talking about. All right, cool. All right, thanks guys for uh joining us on the show. And uh again, thank you everybody for tuning in, watching, and listening wherever you're at. And uh, we will see you next week. And as always, remember if no one does anything nice for you, do something nice to yourself, and we're gonna see y'all next week. Bye.