Good Soldiers Follow Orders...Until They Don’t | Clone Wars ReWatch S6-Ep1-4

This week we're re-watching the Clone Wars Season 6 Episodes 1-4 and follow Fives as he uncovers the inhibitor chip truth, only to be boxed in by cover-ups, skepticism, and Palpatine’s perfect timing. The heartbreak lands hardest when Rex, Anakin, and the Jedi Council hesitate, because the right answers are finally on the table and still get ignored. 

• Tony’s first-time reaction and the emotional breaking points 
• Shaak Ti’s investigation on Kamino and how the story keeps getting “reshuffled” 
• Palpatine’s long game and why the Jedi miss the red flags 
• Rex’s grief and why the Fives ending hits so hard 
• Clone individuality through tattoos, armor, haircuts, and small freedoms 
• Inhibitor chips as control, nightmares, and the shadow of Order 66 
• The ethics of a clone army and the uncomfortable ownership question 
• D. Bradley Baker’s voice work and how clones stay distinct 
• Planning the road to Order 66 across shows and films 

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Transcript

Live Start And Cold Open

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Technology is great when it works, right? And we are live. And we're live. Hey! Speaking of technology. Speaking of technology, right? All right, this week Palpatine loses control. And once again, the Jedi are too blind to see anything. So who's really running the war? It's the Clone Wars, episodes one through four this week on your Star Wars safe space. Stick around. Hey there, Star Warriors. Welcome to Star Wars Safe Space, your non-toxic Lowstonium Star Wars show that does make you feel bad for not knowing that the concept of inhibitor chips was originally developed for an unproduced episode three scene and later repurposed for the Clone Wars to explain the clones' obedience during Order 66. So whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little swarzy curious, this is your Star Wars Safe Space. And we are the Circle of Nerds, and we do absolutely positively love Star Wars, even when we don't always like it. So let's go around the room and meet the crew Shell We from Parts Unknown hailing rocking the fives tattoo. It is T to the Oni, showing respect.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Welcome back to the Galaxy, everybody. It's uh this is a rough one, but uh but but it's a great watch either way. So agree and captain of the infamous Parma Flyer.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

It is crush. Hey everybody, uh S phone's locked ready to go. Let's do this.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

Oh, we're in for such a ride tonight. All right, so what are we doing here? Well, our mission is to watch all of the Canon Star Wars films and TV shows in chronological order, breaking them down, connecting the dots, and learning a little more about ourselves and maybe some more about Star Wars as well. So, a word of warning to all you would-be warriors. There will be spoilers this week. And uh what a week it was. Um yikes. I that's really that's all I've got is just yikes.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Good night, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Good night, everybody. That's it. That's all we got. Uh, do hang on because we're gonna be uh we're gonna be reaching into the Wayback Machine because uh a couple seasons ago we were talking with

Mission Statement And Spoiler Warning

SPEAKER_02 2:30

uh our very own daddy Louie about fives and uh something that he had said uh about fives. So we're gonna go ahead and uh hearken back to that and see how uh how his hopes and dreams have turned out since then. But uh, as we already know, not so well, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Um get the tissues ready, get the tissues ready.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

So Crash and I have seen this already. Tony, this was your first time, yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:58

Yes, indeed.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

So I absolutely want to get your uh your thoughts and opinions, please.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

I mean, I mean we talked about this in our preview episode for this season, you know, what I wanted to see for from from the season, and as I've said every time, the show is called The Clone Wars. I want to see stuff about the clones, right? And these episodes delivered it to me, but god, why did I have to rip my heart out at the same time?

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Like so, where what was where did you break? I I mean, like, at what point did you really like feel the feels?

SPEAKER_01 3:43

I mean, it depends how much feeling we're talking about. Um, I mean, the short term is the like I don't even know. Um there's a part, there's a point in one of the episodes where Shock T is like, I don't I don't care what what Palpatine said, we're gonna take this over to the to the Jedi temple and research it there. And I'm like, okay, you know, finally somebody's actually doing something that makes sense given the circumstances, and then they ignore it and just move on without it.

SPEAKER_03 4:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

And then I mean the the the heartbreaker is when when five traps wrecks an Anakin in that little cone thing, and he's trying to talk to them and he realizes that they don't believe him. I mean, it's it's just it's heartbreaking because you know he knows that that there's no way out. He knows what's gonna happen. And it's just it's just unfortunate that that you know like he knew the right people to go to for help, but they just they're they're not ready to hear him. And you know, uh, you know, it's not that they're not sympathetic because they are, but but they're so skeptical that that they don't realize what's right in front of them, and and it's just it it breaks you, it really does. Um and then of course you get the very end where where you know Yoda and Mace are sitting there on the couch, and oh well, I guess it's all over, nothing to worry about. What the fuck, assholes? Like, do your job.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

Yeah, they kind of look at each other like this doesn't seem right, but okay. It's okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Like, I

First Time Reactions To Fives

SPEAKER_01 5:30

saw a clip, I saw a thing uh the other day on on Instagram. I think I posted it to our you to our Facebook account. Um and you know, it's basically you know um Obi-Wan talking to Mason Yoda and basically saying, Hey, you know, like this goes back to episode two, and it's being you know, hey, you know, I found this clone army that's being developed apparently everything type of Diaz. The uh the person who the clones are built on is a known supporter of the separatist, and he's basically using his bodyguard. Yeah, why does nobody think that's a problem? Like, really? You guys didn't figure this out. Like, there was ever any suggestion, just oh, okay, we've got this built-in army, look at that, it just happens to work out for us, and none of you thought any detail about it on any level. Like, I mean, I hate to say it, but honestly, like they got.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

I mean, Mace literally chopped off the donor's head, literally, like and but everybody was like you said, everybody was cool with the fact that the donor, the donor sperm for this is also dooku's right hand, yeah, in appearance, anyway. I mean, we and we we know that Django is just a mercenary, um, but he was hired to be, you know, Dooku's boy, so yeah, and and no one stopped to think that uh there could be something nefarious with the uh the clones again, again, Jedi arrogance, or or equal portions of arrogance and ignorance, but I mean really all of this was you know, Palpatine is the the ultimate mastermind here, of course, and I think that he yes he there there was no way out. I mean, there was there was no way for the Jedi to do anything other than that other than they did, because Palpatine, except for except for Tup. Palpatine had everything just perfectly meticulously planned out, and there was no there was no other course that the Jedi could have taken because he's playing them so well, he knows they're arrogant, and he knows they're ignorant, and he's using both of those things against them.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

You know, it's that's true, absolutely. And like I, you know, I've heard people make the argument about you know what what we call in my business warm body syndrome, where it's the like the Jedi know they are not like they're not supposed to be soldiers, they're supposed to be keepers of the peace, and there's not nearly enough of them to fight a war. So all of a sudden you've got this this you know, this whole separatist army you gotta go against. Hey, here's an army. I'm not gonna question it, I'm just gonna take I'm just gonna be thankful that they're there because it makes our lives easier, right? I understand that argument, but come on, guys.

SPEAKER_02 8:41

I mean, there there were so many red flags all the time, there were so many red flags, and you know, and also when you stop to think about it, it was even more brilliant on Palpatine's part because now he's able to freely work on his own cloning experiments because you've got this whole cloning planet, and so you know, Palpatine moving around between the planet or whatever, he's and he's got access to the cloning technology, so he's he has his own cloning agenda underneath all of this, but I mean it's just it's just all brilliantly plotted out by this guy who is just a maniacal asshole. So I I yeah, I I feel bad because I I really don't think that the Jedi they didn't have a chance. I mean they they had zero chance, and the only the only monkey wrench was Tup and then fives, and then they they wrapped that all up pretty nicely, unfortunately. So Crash, yeah. This is I don't know how many times have you seen this this arc? A couple couple. So for you, if you're if you're able to remember like going back to when you first watched this, like emotionally, like by the time we get to season six, I mean, we're when we when when six was you know released in the wild, um, before the days where we could binge things, um, we had to wait for it like a year, almost a year to the day. Um we've had this this huge gap. Were you do you feel that you were were any less emotionally invested in the characters, or do you feel like you were more emotionally invested because now you've had this year to just like simmer and marinate in all of this clony goodness?

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Um, it was uh for me, it was obviously like jump right back in excited, like to the point about you know, when was this the heart heartbreaking moment for me? For me, it was when he gets the Camino and Not Less and Shakti are having the back and forth, and you could tell Shakti had took his side all the way back with Domino Squad. Yeah, and you know, it was just that idea that you know she saw the the clones as more than just disposable grown a lab soldiers, and you know, to the point where they were gonna do an autopsy on top, they wanted to you know dissect what was this virus, yeah. The story kept shifting at first. They thought it was like a germ warfare thing from the separatists, then they weren't sure. Then when he discovers the chip, oh the chip's defective, it's yeah, there was always an easy out, and you could just see them reshuffling the cards to the story on him as as they were moving along, all the way to the point where they look, you know, you put him in a lone a room with Palpatine where he probably just did the literally did the mustache twirl and said, I'm behind the whole thing, right? To his fate, because no one's gonna believe him. No, they got him so paranoid about everything that by the time he contacts Anakin and Rex, like you said,

Jedi Blindness And Palpatine’s Setup

SPEAKER_00 12:00

they want to believe him, but he's been acting in such a paranoid way that they don't know, and he's drugged, and he's been drugged up, don't don't you don't know what's real and what's a hallucination, right? But the one that really got me was at the very end when they killed him. Yeah, um, I've always had this sort of head cannon that I always like thought the red guard clones, the Coruscant clones were sort of in on the take. I think I figure that the Palpatine picked that unit as sort of like that's his like private army, as it were, you know. So I always because they always seem to be there to do the dirty work for him.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

So but they're just following orders, right?

SPEAKER_00 12:41

Good good clones follow orders. And it was just that that one when he started talking about the mission and the nightmares, and you realize, oh my god, all these clones feel that because they started taking their buckets off, everybody, even their buckets. You can see that like he he has them too, he has numbers too, which just you know, for some uh I am a fan of clone wars because I like the clones when they are uh loyal and and and and supportive, and you know they team up with the Jedi. I think the clones and the Jedi made a great pair. Yeah, there are guys in this fandom who like the clones for the Order 66 betrayal, they think it's cool. Oh, I hate Jedi, so clones killing Jedi is cool. I'm like, but that's that that's the heartbreaking part. That's the part where uh even for the clones, they they've been you know, I've I've just never served in the army, but I would just think if you went to war with somebody, the last thing you would think is, oh, I'm gonna turn on you on a mo, yeah, that uh chip in my head's gonna go kill this guy. I don't think that way. I'm a very loyalty-based person. So for me, the idea that the clones have this perpetual nightmare about betraying their generals, their friends, even you know, can you imagine Rex trying to kill Anakin?

SPEAKER_02 13:56

Just and and just I mean, having that great just in the back of your mind constantly, over and over and over. If that's like this constant nightmare, I mean, what does that do to them? And it's just they're just manipulated from from start to finish. I mean, we see them literally from birth, literally, literally from birth, and we see them developing individualism. They're they're they're they they've got their own personalities, they've got their own likes and dislikes. We see them, you know, we know that they're into to different sports and different games, and they they like to drink and party and have a good time. They're they're people, you know, and fives five says so much.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

I I like there's a line in there that where uh Dallas A, everybody they were talking, you know, the comedian ones were gaslighting fives from the minute he arrived. Oh, yeah, 100%. But I like how they should yeah, when they ask why he's so you know, he's struggling so much, you know, the Jedi you know, inspire creativity in their clones, and that just shows you know the difference between the empire and what the Jedi were. Whereas you know, the Jedi inspired these clones, yeah, these test two baby soldiers that everybody just thought, oh hey, a convenient army shows up and uh when we need it.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

The Jedi respected them as people, some some some some more than others, some more than others. They gave them that leeway, but then there were others that treated them, you know. And I'm not talking about Krell. I mean, he's he's uh he's the extreme, he's the far end. I'm but I'm talking about we have seen just regular Jedi who treat clones no differently than they would treat a droid.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Not as bad as we're gonna see in Bad Badge, like if there's a guy that talks about clone, you know, using clones as like I hate using you know spare parts, yeah. Yeah, uh, I don't want to get too far into that, but like the just the idea, yeah, five's individually individuality came from being around Jedi, right?

SPEAKER_02 15:56

And having and and having that that that latitude to grow, um, and become, you know, and but then he gets it from his brothers too. Yeah, you know, I mean his brothers are helping him um to grow in in in different ways, you know. They they they have different haircuts, they have their tattoos, they you know, they they really want to express themselves and show that despite the fact that they're clones, they're still individuals. And I think that's one of the most important things about this show is like, you know, it's because we talk about um you know diversity, equity, and inclusion, and you know, how certain people want to get rid of those things, but we talk about you know what's what's the opposite of diversity and it's conformity, you know, everything's the same, every there, there is everything's just you know homogeneous, nothing you know, but but strength and life thrives through diversity, and so now you've got these clones that as as much as they were, I mean identical down to the cellular level, they're individuals, personalities, likes, dislikes, you know, motivations, and it was it's like the more you think about it, the more beautiful it gets.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Man, it's and it's what made them better than the droids, you know. Oh, yeah. For every time this episode is great because how many times have yeah, we saw the new uh in the first episode when they were sure. I was calling it the uh the halo map scene where they were trying to you know assault the different hallways and stuff. Yeah, now we got super battle droids with chat, you know, they fly now. Yeah, yeah. Every time you see a new upgrade in the droids' capabilities, it doesn't matter because the clones can think creatively enough to count. Yeah, we started seeing you know clones carrying riot shields to deflect blaster fire. Right. I mean, how cool is that? You know, the commando droids have been doing that since season one. They had those uh energy shields, and we saw I like this in this arc too.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

We get to see them. I really liked the um their space packs they were wearing, the small backpacks with the hose that went into those uh the aerator ports. Love seeing that. I thought that was very, very cool.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

And can we all have a collective chuckle about that? Dave Filoni worked in a dick joke. I missed it.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

Oh, it's a dick joke. How did I I'm the king of dicks? That didn't sound right.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

When it was that when Anakin and the guys do the spacewalk over to the separatist ship and they're looking into the into the hangar, yeah, Anakin pulls out that teeny tiny little uh Jedi binocular thing that we've seen in the movies. They uh oh fives go is are those standard issue? Any of those yeah, and Anakin's like, just keep your mind on the job.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

I was like, they looked at a size joke. Okay, I missed it, but yeah, I remember the scene. I missed it.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

I was I remember when I when I first saw this, and every time I said I I was howling because I'm like, Oh my god, they worked in a size joke, yeah. In in a cartoon, you gotta love it.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

I will say uh one thing that I did not miss. Um, you mentioned earlier about uh you know differences between the clones, in particular, you mentioned haircuts and uh tattoos. Uh I gotta give a shout out to my boy Kicks. Yeah, for a with a phenomenal tattoo that I debated about trying to do on the other side, but it's just way too much. And I was gonna that's gonna take a lot.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

That's gonna take a lot. Yeah, I think uh in his tattoo, it says uh uh the only good droid is a dead droid or something like that. I I Holocron Keeper is a dead one. Okay, yeah, yeah. That's a hell of a tattoo. And I love how he is. I know something along those lines, but I love how he was like, you know, he's primping himself a little bit. He's like in the mirror, like, hey, what's up? Kinks is looking good. I like seeing Jesse there. It was it's cool seeing the clones again in a human environment, you know, in you know, in this thing. So we have a couple, we have a couple viewers right now, and I'm I'm curious to know what they think about these episodes if they've

Shaak Ti, Kamino, And The Cover-Up

SPEAKER_02 20:00

seen them. Um because uh this one, especially if you're invested in the characters, and you know, fives, it's hard not to be invested in fives. And with that being said, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to pull up the clip from uh from Daddy Louie from a little while ago. And uh for those of you that watched the show and that you know, I know it's everyone that watches or listens. Previously on Star Wars, so in this episode, we were talking about uh uh it was the Umbara arc, which was brutal in itself, but we were talking, you know, Louis was talking about um the characters with uh with plot armor, so he's not too keen on that because I get it. There's no mystery, you know that this person's gonna make it to the end. Doesn't matter what kind of situation you put them in, they're gonna make it to the end, so there's no worries there. Um, I wish Louie was here. I wish he would have watched this with us this week because he would have that would have been the best insight because he was he loves fives, and then fives is no more. And and he's not alone.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

I I remember I I've been to past, you know, this this aired a couple years ago, and there's been some start celebrations since and I used to walk around and you know you take pictures of interesting stuff, and I always love it when I run into somebody who would do like uh actual fives arc trooper armor, yeah. And I remember I I'll have to find the picture and post it on our faith our social feeds, but it was hilarious. There was this one guy I met that you know, he had a full fives kit, and then like a little brother or somebody with them in a kid's version of with on the with a sign on the back says five deserve better. I mean, people really get attached to these clones.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

Well, and we if you think about it, I mean, we've we've known uh five since he was a rookie, right? I mean, we you know, if you if you watch the show as it came. Out, you know, potentially you grew up with fives. I mean, we didn't get him every episode, but you know, we got him enough. We got to see him go from a rookie to a fucking arc trooper, which is pretty impressive. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

And and yeah, when he remembered when they showed up on Camino with that new armor, it was like, That was my boy. Yeah, everybody loved you know seeing him, you know, advance through the ranks like that.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Yeah. Oh, I I just I just saw it. Did did you guys not hear the clip?

SPEAKER_00 22:26

No, we didn't hear it. What yeah, we played, but we didn't hear it.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Oh, well, that's then that means that maybe our our viewers didn't get it either. Hold on, let's see. Okay. Let's see. Let me see. Let me go back.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Uh our viewers didn't hear it, let us know. But uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

We'll play one more time if we can, but hey Tony, while he's rack looking at that.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

What episode of you? Do you hear anything?

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Um not yet, we don't hear anything yet. Right now, really? You're us. I don't hear anything different.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Oh, I wonder why. Uh I have everything turned up too.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

Um anyway, it was a great clip. If you go back through our YouTube archives and look up the Umbarra episode, there's Louie had a great moment where he just oh there we go. You can hear it a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Can you hear it or no? Barely. I can hear just uh like I can I recognize his voice, but it's so faint in the background.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

Oh man. Well, that's weird. I wonder why it's doing that. Well, I don't know. Our again, our old pal technical difficulties that's pretty much that's but if you go through our YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

I'd say we could edit and post, but we are live.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

Yeah, that that was a great moment.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

Maybe we can clip it and we'll send it out.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Yeah, totally spontaneous. And it was like, well, it's like where you just you could see he was getting attached to a new character that we'd seen growing from the beginning. And I was just like, I was biting my lip trying not to laugh. I'm like, Oh, you're still gonna get fucked over.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

Yeah, it's gonna break your heart, Louie. Yeah, and then speaking of rookies, did you guys notice um the uh two of the trainers, the brain headed guy who was the real asshole? I can't remember his name, um, him and then the the bug-looking insect guy. Um they were walking down the hallway with another group of rookies as um fives and az were in the hallway as well. Yeah, so I thought that was nice.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

That was well, at this point in the show, Dave was you know, there they created so many character models for certain things that especially on Coruscant, you see a lot of um Ahsoka species and a lot of uh people with Mandalorian haircuts and stuff. There was a lot of recycled character models by then, and those guys, especially, but it's also yeah, they probably still had a job on Camino, and and yeah, they'd be wandering the halls. I also like that you know we this was the first time I think we saw the um gray shoulder pauldrons for the yeah, like they had their own detachment assigned.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

Yeah, they looked pretty cool, they looked pretty cool. Um, and I also liked the um the guys at the beginning with the sisters. I believe the one his name is Commander Doom. Yeah, and I think their armor was based off of Dr. Doom, which I always thought was pretty cool because Dave is a freaking nerd, and uh we absolutely love him for it. I had that in my notes. Oh, okay, very cool. But yeah, those gray the the gray uh gray and green camino, yeah. The the gray Caminoan troopers, I don't remember them. I I they're they really look cool, they have a good look. I like that. I wish I would have I would have known that, but uh because maybe I would have done maybe I would have built one of those instead of Rex, but probably not. But like the arch troopers, like uh crash, what you were talking about. Um oh yeah, there we go. Right there.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

Yes, yes, one of us.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Dave is a hundred percent one of us, absolutely. Um when people wear the uh it's so cool because when they're wearing the arc trooper gear, those add-ons are ridiculous. Because you've got the the trauma plate, you've got like the basically it's like Rex's armor, but then you've got the trauma plates, and then you've got some extra gear on top of it, plus the backpack, and it's just hats off to the guys that do arctrooper costuming because that's you're you're you're taking an already heavy, uncomfortable hunk of plastic that doesn't breathe, and you're adding more to it. So arc trooper costumers, we love you, we appreciate you. Um, all right. So, question time since we've already watched this. Oh, um my breaking point for this was Rex when he's holding fives in his arms and he says, Don't go.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

I was like, Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_02 27:16

That's not even the appropriate sound effect. I I I was done, I was done because anytime Rex is sad rex is the most sad thing in Star Wars. I don't I I will fight you in the streets if you can find something that is sadder than sad rex.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

You're absolutely right. Uh, we talked about this last week about you know characters who have suffered the most throughout the story, yeah. And you mentioned specifically Rex and Qui-Gon. I'll be wild. And I'm sorry, you're right, I'll be wild. And I like I was up probably like three or four hours, like I like I mentioned after after that. I went to work and was working, and the entire time I'm at work, I'm sitting there thinking about like, you know what?

SPEAKER_02 28:05

He is absolutely right, those two god damn, the and this is just another example, like what the oh he's poor Ben, like god damn, poor Ben, poor Ben Kenobi, the most tragic figure in the entire Star Wars canon, bar none, but even even

Clones As People Not Property

SPEAKER_02 28:30

sad Obi-Wan is not as sad as sad rex. Yeah, I don't know what it is, like when when Obi-Wan when he lost heartbreaking, heart wrenching moment 100. But Rex on Umbara, Rex holding, holding a dying fives in his arm and pleading with him, don't go, stay with me, don't leave.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

And honestly, for anybody for anybody who would argue that Obi-Wan had it worse, I will just remind you that Obi-Wan got to grow up as a kid. Like, yes, ultimately, you know, he you know, he he became part of the Jedi Order, and we know they take them young, and we know they indoctrinate them young, but Rex has had it from birth. Rex has never known a life outside of this, and and all those men are his brothers. That they're the only way. I'll take I'll go take a glimpse back to um back to I can't even remember which season it was now, but uh when he was injured and um as a matter of fact, kicks was there and heal and you know gave him the back to healing, but but said he had to stay there. Oh, um oh cut cut the quain, yeah, yeah. Backwain. Like he caught he got that one episode, that one glimpse of what life would be like outside of war. And I you know, as you guys know, I have only seen what we have watched when it comes to clone war stuff. I have not seen any rebels yet, so my knowledge of Rex is only up to the point that we are at right now. I love it, but up to this point, that is the only time he has had any indication of what life outside of war looks like. Yeah, yeah, you're right, and everything else that he has seen has been this war and has been this tragedy, and has been the death of his friends and his comrades and his brothers.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

He's known nothing but loss his entire life. God damn, man. We've got we've got Grainy watching us on YouTube said, uh, anyone who isn't moved by five's death scene, I do not trust exactly 100. 100. Yeah, Rex has seen so much and has been privy to so much. Um you know what, and Tony, I'll just I'll just tell you this. You are in for so much more emotional Rex. Like, I I I don't even I'm sure you've seen spoilers, I'm sure you've seen old man Rex and and I've seen little clips here and there from Rebels and whatnot. Um so so you know that he so he does have the plot armor, you know he's gonna make it through and get to rebels, so you already know that. Um, and we've talked about him you know being on Endor during Jedi. So we we know that he he makes it, he makes it, but what you haven't seen yet is the absolutely positively soul-crushing situations that our boy Rex finds himself in, especially in Rebels. What the fuck? And like I hated Rebels when it came out, I hated it because I didn't like the animation style, I thought it was really goofy. I just I didn't care for it, and then I got to season two, and then I watched season three, and then you know, we continue on. Season one of Rebels for me is like, okay, we're world building, we're we're we're character building, okay. Fine, I get it. But then, as shit really starts popping off in Rebels, it's it's I don't want to say it's better than the Clone Wars. I'm not gonna say that Rebels is better than the Clone Wars, it's it's different, but the level of emotion in Rebels it far far exceeds the Clone Wars.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

I mean, that makes sense because I mean, from what I understand, Rebels is very much based upon a small group of people, yeah, and their storyline. Whereas, don't get me wrong, I love Clone Wars up to the point that we watched so far, and I'm sure I will continue to love it. But like we're dealing with an entire war, you know, like we've got episodes that are Anakin focus, we've got episodes that are Obi-Wan focus, we've got episodes that are Ahsoka focused, you know, we're dealing with different different groups of clone troopers and different squads all over the place, and and and you know, you mentioned you know, obviously, like we know Rex has plot armor up to this point, but that almost makes it worse because that means like as somebody who's seen what I have seen, I know he lives through Order 66, right? And on top of all the torture and everything else, I mean just we mentioned earlier about you know the dreams and the nightmares that these guys go through. He had to experience not as a dream, and he's still around, right? Like, like knowing everything that happens between now and where I know he at least survives until I know how many more deaths there are, how many more of his brothers will fall. Yeah, how many more just means he's got that much more emotional torture to go through, right?

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Ugh, Tony. I am I am exceedingly happy that you're able to experience this with brand new eyes. I'm actually I'm actually jealous that you're able to go through this with these fresh eyes because again, you know, Crash and I've seen this, you know, a few times, but it doesn't it doesn't take away from the emotional weight of it, you know. But for you seeing it for the first time and having now watched things in order, you know, you know, you know what goes on. I mean, you you're privy to certain things, but you're not necessarily aware of how characters get there. You know, we we know how they end up, but we don't know how they get there. So, and then as we start tying these things in with you know live action things like Andor and um you know some of the new shows are gonna be coming out, then it's just all it just all comes together in this this beautiful nerdy stew.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

Yeah, I don't want to go off on a tangent here. I mean, you you mentioned andor, and uh yeah, I mentioned last episode that I had not seen the final three episodes yet. I have since. Oh, and I have a lot of thoughts, but that would take an entire other episode, so I'm not gonna start. I'm not even gonna get into it right now. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Uh sorry, but then maybe we need to I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

I mean maybe we should do an andor just overview, review and we've all seen it. Just do a quick, like yeah, not tonight, but you know, maybe throw one in there.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

We can. So Granny said Rebels is one family unit, clone wars is a literal army of people that we are trying to care about, so we only care about a small amount of them unless they make a big impact, and that's true. That's a great point. That's totally true. That's a great point. You know, you can't care about thousands and thousands of countless nameless clones unless they die in horrific ways, and then you're like, ooh, brother, then they end up on our wall, then they end up on our wall.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

So which, which by the way, if top and fives are not on the wall, we got problems.

SPEAKER_02 35:52

Oh, top and fives, of course, are they in places of honor on the wall. I think that goes without saying. I think that absolutely goes without saying.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

I agree. It's just yeah, we had we hadn't officially mentioned the wall yet this episode, so we haven't.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

We haven't we actually haven't talked about the wall for a while. I there were there were so few clones dying at one point that I think we maybe just kind of forgot about it.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

Well, there was a whole stretch where we weren't like like Tony was saying, you know, the show called Clone Wars. He wants to see clones. There was a stretch where we weren't really focusing on the clone battalions. Yeah, you might you get a nobi-wan story or an Anakin story, but they're not with their army at the time, you know, or they're off doing something else. Yeah, you might see Clone Wars is great because you know, Dave and Dave Bradley can create have created so many one-off characters. My favorite is still from the Zillow Beast Ark with you know, Hawkeye and Trapper. Like that's a quick Easter egg, you know, name from crash. Yeah, I love it. It has nothing, nothing to do with the hospital, had nothing to do but you know as soon as you say Hawkeye and Trapper, you know, the little thing click Okay, gotcha. I I love how you know the number of names that you know the writers had to come up with for individual clones was just phenomenal, yeah. It blew me away sometimes. Like the creativity and the naming alone. Yeah, we talk about the clones creativity, the writers' creativity in making such distinct differences between every time we introduce to a new new batch of clones somewhere, and there's a whole list like if you if you type in list of named clones, it's it's extensive, surprisingly extensive.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

I mean, we know we can name a handful off the tops of our heads, but this is different. I mean, there's yeah, they they really go in, they go in.

SPEAKER_01 37:33

So anytime we get into this, I always have to say absolute shout out to D Bradley Baker because I I have heard so many voice actors talk about how hard it is to do multiple characters in the same show where they're having a conversation with one another and to be able to go back and forth and have those you those little differences between them to keep them straight. And I can't think of any. I mean, granted, I am far from an expert, but I can't think of any voice actor who has voiced that many characters in the same show at the same time. I know there are some I know there's some people on The Simpsons, there's some people on Family Guy who who do multiple characters, but the sheer volume of characters that D Bradley Baker has to maintain all at the same time and make work, all the respect in the world to that man.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

God damn, he needs more work because well, I mean, like we, you know, you're talking about that, you know. My my first my first thought is Mel Blank. Um, you know, of course, you know, Looney Tunes, Bugs Bunny, Dappy Duck, every every character, and you know, watching him on interviews, having a conversation between all these characters, but like what you said, like with Mel Blank, all these characters sound distinctly different. Yes, Baker is taking characters that sound the same and giving them individual personality through these just little inflections and these nuances, that's hardcore. Yeah, I mean, that's hardcore. So he's like, if you were, I mean, I'm wondering if like I don't think that I'm a super fan enough to be able to do this, but I'm sure that there are people out there who if you were to just have them listen to voice samples of the individual clones, they would be able to pick out which clone that is, even though it's Bradley Baker doing the exact same voice for each clone. I bet you there's people out there that would be able to recognize the difference between fives and Rex and Tup and Jesse, you know, and and all these other clones. Obviously, 99, you know, he his voice is a little more distinct. Um, and do you guys remember it was earlier on, I thought, was it in rookies? I think it might have been in rookies. There were like three or four clones that had really, really different accents. Like there was like an Irish accent, there was like a British accent. They were, I don't know what if they were like just playing around with the idea of doing like different accents like that, but it was kind of weird. I I don't think they ever went back to that.

SPEAKER_00 40:18

It might have been something they experimented with, you know, when they said, Okay, we're gonna create a wide range of what and they probably figured found out that you know uh Irish accent for uh tomorrow morrison kind of

Easter Eggs, Gear, And Dark Humor

SPEAKER_00 40:30

character didn't quite fit, so they probably it's okay. Just give it a little inflection here, a little tweak there. Yeah, that's part of the learning process of season one. A lot of the criticism of the show first season was that things were kind of clunky and didn't it it was a process to it, and by the time you get to season six, I mean it's just a well-oiled machine, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

It's uh and then season seven. We're almost we're almost done, guys. We're almost done with the Clone Wars, yeah. And I'm I'm getting a little sad about it, but I mean, we've got we've got a lot of stuff coming up.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

Did you guys catch the other there was another reference in the in the first episode in that battle scene? Uh the welding the doors and leaving auto turrets behind. Did did anyone catch that?

SPEAKER_02 41:15

No, what's that from?

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Aliens. You know, the the galactic marines and the xenomorphs and the uh oh I I I as soon as I was like, oh, they're leaving the e-web on auto fire. Oh, that's like an aliens, Dave Sneaky Bastard. You know, I think they had like a a sensor, you know, like a sonar, like the boop boop boop, yeah, they're tracking. It was a total aliens play. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

That's pretty cool. Yeah, I totally missed that. You know, and it's interesting too. Like these, you've got these, you've got clones chasing clones, you've got clones shooting at clones, and you know, I I do kind of wonder like what's going on, you know, what's going through their minds. Um, because they these are their brothers, you know, they're following orders, they're doing, you know, someone told them that fives was a bad guy, we gotta capture fives, and so they're going after him, you know. And we see fives beat the shit out of quite a few clone troopers. Um, you know, a couple of me apologized to, but that's gotta be hard too.

SPEAKER_01 42:24

You know, these aren't the enemy, like you mentioned before about um yeah, the the trainers from Domino Squad popping up in the background, yeah. Like part of me at the time, seeing them in the background was like, Oh, I want to see them confront fives now after all the shit that they talked, just let him rush them.

SPEAKER_02 42:42

Yeah, because I mean that guy, you know, that dude just he was hard on fives. Granny said uh they were so lucky that they found D Bradley. He is absolutely amazing. He is indeed. Yes, um, but uh yeah, to see to see that uh that mercenary trainer, you know, again, and to show him like, look, I became an arc trooper. I mean, this is like the best of the best. I think the only people that are uh that are a higher tier than arc trooper may be the bad badge, but even them, I don't know. I mean it's arc troopers are the cream of the crop, they are special forces, navy seals, they're they're really, really good at what they do. So for art for fives to have achieved that and then to lose him, it's uh it's rough. That's rough. So let's talk about the Jedi for a minute. I uh I love the clones, but we gotta talk about the Jedi because everybody is always about the Jedi. And how complicit were they in Order 66? How complicit were they in their own undoing because of their their lack of movement on any of this, you know, even. Even Anakin was a little reluctant to believe Fives, you know, and we already saw the the Jedi Council not really actively pursuing things, you know. So I mean what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 44:15

Anakin was already sort of brainwashed into thinking that the chancellor could do no wrong. When fives this goes all the way up to the chancellor, I think that's where he lost. Anakin was offended. Anakin was offended by that by that, even the suggestion that the chancellor would be in on something uh you know not above board, you know. That that's the pocket, and that's part of the brilliance of Papa Palpatine is that you know he's already got Anakin, you know, spinning this narrative that you know he is above reproach.

SPEAKER_02 44:44

He's in his pocket, man. He's got Anakin in his pocket. Well, he's got the whole council in his pocket, let's be honest. They're suspicious. I mean, they you know, they are well give them that. The the council does they don't like Palpatine and they are suspicious of him, but they don't really do anything to act on it.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

I mean, they just exactly, and that's the worst part. Like, like I can understand Anakin. Anakin is still very young, you know. He he was he was brought in, you know, older than most Jedi are, so he hadn't been quite as brainwashed as the rest of them, if that's what the term we want to use. And of course, Palpatine took a special interest in him, so he's been manipulating him as much as he can when he can, but also Anakin is constantly off-world, away from Coruscant, away from Palpatine, and doing his own things. The council is there the whole time, there's no excuse why they can't see what's going on, and then when we see when we see Tupp freaking out, like this is clearly an anomaly, you know.

SPEAKER_02 45:47

Up up to this point, clones do not straight up sauce Jedi, it doesn't happen. And for them to just say, Oh, it's an isolated incident, and you know, let's not dig deeper. I mean, shock T did she a a bit, but I feel like maybe the Jedi really could have done more to investigate this. You know, I mean you've got you've got a clone trooper who is not super tech or bio-savvy, and a droid who who execute a larger investigation than the Jedi Council did, you know, and then Grainy, you're watching us on YouTube, said the Jedi Council had been had been stagnant for a long time, and that's true. That's true. They just uh the Jedi had the opportunity to for a very long time to just sit in and be comfortable and just just exist in their arrogance and exist in their ignorance, and that's that's when Palpatine struck.

SPEAKER_00 46:49

I think it I do think it's interesting that again Shakti is a better example of because she's had boots on the ground experience on yeah, apparently she's been stationed on a community from the beginning. Yeah, yeah, and there was a great exchange between her and Nalise about who owns the clones, and we can get into the idea of owning people and what you know the right.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

They were very careful not to use the word owner ownership. I noticed that for someone to say it, but nobody did.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

And and because that's been the problem from the beginning is that you know, so allegedly cypher Diaz, even though obviously we see the community ones are in on the the act, you know, they're they're calling Darth you know Lord Tyrannus with updates while Shoctee's on site and you know that you know all sorts of like sneaky secrets going on back and forth. But I did find it interesting that uh you know Shoc T was really lobbying for the idea that you know the Jedi Council should be investigating this, we should get examine those you know, chips that were the tumor that was taken out. Whereas Dallas A was constantly saying, Yeah, no, no, the the the chancellor says he wants to take it to the medical facility on Coruscant, which ironically that's the same room Darth Vader was built in if you look closer.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

Yeah, yeah, I like that. That was that was a nice nod.

SPEAKER_00 48:05

A nice little nod. But this idea that you know who owns the clone. There's a there's a great line in the hockey movie Slapshot, you know, guy that who owns the Chiefs? You know, this this French Canadian goalie's trying to talk about who owns the hockey team. It's the same way with the clone army. Who owns the clones? Yeah, and it was there was a bit of a power struggle going on.

SPEAKER_02 48:24

Yeah, granny here said it's the borderline slavery is unforgivable to me. And I yeah, I mean, it could could we see this uh the clones service or servitude um as a form of slavery? I mean, because like what uh oh it absolutely is. I don't think that's even a question. Yeah, because what did what did AZ say? He said that uh yeah, you're gonna get your brain wiped and they're gonna send you to sanitation to clean up. So now you're just you're just no no better than a droid. We can wipe a droid's memory and uh set them off to do whatever task we want, and we're gonna do the same thing with the clones.

SPEAKER_00 49:05

So didn't and that was the Caminoans' way of of of approaching the if there was an yeah, they call it an anomaly, but really what they're talking about is individuality, yeah, and and and free thought and or or they're defective, defective, yeah. Again, you know, Shakti and the Jedi look at the clones and they inspire creativity. The Caminoans and the Republic, as we'll see later on in Bad Batch, see that individuality as a defect,

D. Bradley Baker And Clone Identity

SPEAKER_00 49:30

as a flaw that needs to be wiped out, and and that's why I I you know I I know it's real easy to dump on the Jedi about you know the slave army. First off, it wasn't their army, they were just given command of it by the republic because they could have you know why not put Tarkin and and the human you know remember uh of for in charge of the clones directly. This is part of Palpatine's setup, obviously. Yeah, but this idea, you know, the Jedi didn't place the yeah, an order for a clone army. Yeah, this was the the largest case of identity theft in galactic history.

SPEAKER_02 50:03

Yeah, I mean they didn't they didn't place the order, but they took command. I mean, they could have said, no, we're not gonna command a slave army. They could have said, How many of you want to be here? I mean, cut had to had to literally desert uh in order for him to to have a free life, you know. I mean, look at um look at Greger, you know. I mean, he had amnesia, but he got a taste of of you know individual, you know, civilian life, you know, very few clones. And so this brings me when I put it to my next question, with or without the inhibitor chips, right? Do we think that the clones ever really truly had any semblance of free will? I mean, at all. I mean, they have they had freedom of expression, clearly, because they were allowed to paint their armor, they were allowed to get tattoos, they were allowed to style their hair, so they had freedom of expression. But did they have true free will?

SPEAKER_01 51:04

Or would they have even without the chips? I'm going to say yes, but my knowledge is but but my opinion is based on things that we haven't seen up to this point yet. Uh, first off, we go into Bad Batch, um, and then we you know we know about Rex's future, where there are clones that resist Order 66, yes, and if you manage to be able to do that, something that was programmed into your brain to do, and you manage to resist it. I don't know what else that can be other than free will. Now those are the clones how limited it is, right? How how how many of them have that the ability to fight that? That's a fair question, but at least some of them have.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

And Rex had a lot of help though. Where I don't want to spoil anything, but Rex, you know, Rex was able to fight it, you know. Gregor, Wolf, the you know, these guys were able to fight it. Um, they had help, but you know, free will was not part of the plan. Of course, they they were very much a disposable army, you know. They were, I don't think I think there were a couple things that went sideways for Palpatine here. I you know, one of them was tough, you know, one of them was his ship being mildly activated, you know, prematurely. So that did not go the way that that Papa Palpe had had initially planned. But also, I don't think that he ever really planned for them to have as much liberty, let's just say, as they had, you know, and and and they they they talked about that, you know, and and Crashy would mention that too. You know, Dooku was like, well, what's the cause of this? You know, and well, the Jedi allow them to have liberties, you know. I mean, they're they're allowed to go on leave, apparently. I mean, they're they they have you know, they get they can go to the bar, they can go to the 79 and and have have have a few drinks, and you know, they're hanging out with some uh some dancing girls and some pleasure droids. So I mean, you know, they're they're able to kick back.

SPEAKER_00 53:07

I I had a I had a slight giggle at the idea of a clone bar, clone trooper bar on Coruscant that had to designate what the men's room was. Like, are there there's there are no girl clone clones? Obviously, there are other patrons that can attend, but I just I was like, you gotta put a like because you know the the sign over the bathroom for the you know the men the the universal men's symbol.

SPEAKER_02 53:27

I was like, as opposed to what a droid, you know, you know, you had some you had some uh some little twilight cuties in there.

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Yeah, I know a clone bar, a clone bar that has to be uh equally accessible. I thought was kind of funny, just in the sense that, like, who else are you expecting to show up?

SPEAKER_02 53:48

So Grainy, Grainy here says, uh, I head canon that brain damage can uh affect how well the chip works. Yeah, that's possible. Yeah, some some uh some brain damage, some uh some head trauma, maybe some PTSD could have something to do with it. Who knows? They also go on to say my evidence is how many times uh is uh Rex bangs his head in the show. Yeah, Rex gets knocked around quite a bit. So, what does that do? That's that is a very fair point. That's a very fair point.

SPEAKER_01 54:15

Uh speaking of, uh I know I'm supposed to be the keeper of the holocron here, but uh I've done a little bit of research, but I haven't been able to find anything yet. Is there any Easter egg or anything as to why the clone bar is name 79s?

SPEAKER_00 54:29

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 54:29

I was gonna ask is it a reference to something? I I've been looking and I can't see anything definitively.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

I haven't heard I haven't heard it mentioned in in any uh Dave Filone interviews or anything like that. Like when they talk about the show, nobody's ever asked him about it directly.

SPEAKER_01 54:43

So I mean it has to be uh so what you're saying is we have a unique question to ask him whenever we get him on here.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 54:52

Okay, good to know. Good to know. All right, also, one one little quick thing here. Um, just because as far back as I can recall, you know, at least through through this series and through what we've seen in the live action stuff, is this the first time that it's made blatantly clear to everybody that the Camino wins are not on the Jedi side?

SPEAKER_00 55:15

This was the most overt, yeah. Like when they're when yeah, like I said, the secret, you know, they go into the secret room and and contacting Tyrannus is on hold, you know, they're calling Dooku while Shock T's on site, you know, and then they go out and feed a bunch of bullshit to her.

Free Will, Inhibitor Chips, And Slavery

SPEAKER_00 55:30

I mean, yeah, the Camino wins. This was the first time that it was painfully obvious that they're still dealing with Dooku directly, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:38

So, like up until now, to me, it's always been the well, there's plausible deniability. Maybe they really were contacted by Cypher Diaus, maybe like maybe, or you know, probably they weren't, but but at least that they had the ability to say, Well, that's who we thought we were working for, right? But it didn't seem like they knew everything, right? But now it's the like uh now it's pretty like I don't think how you obviously you know Shock T and the Jedi Council aren't aware of what we are as the audience are, but like as from what we are now aware of, I don't think you can make we can make an argument that they are quote unquote on the right side.

SPEAKER_02 56:17

No, they're not, they're they're they're on the side of who pays them. Um, but I I don't think they realize, I mean, they know what the chips are for in case Jedi go rogue, but I think that's as far as as the the Kamanoa knowledge goes. Um, I don't they're clearly not aware of Order 66, you know, or that it's to annihilate all the Jedi. It's just in case a Jedi goes rogue, you can execute order order 66. Um, I think maybe that's as far as that's the extent of their knowledge, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_00 56:51

That yeah, you going back to the umbar arc, uh when when the clones realized that Krell was a rogue agent for in the in the Republic Army, it's almost I I'm surprised that their inhibitor chips didn't clip in and and orders, yeah, the the the killing, yeah. They did try to kill him, you know, obviously, but it it wasn't there wasn't that personality shift like you see in Revenge of the Sith, where the yeah, it all of a sudden all the Jedi are their enemy, or like in this episode, yeah, he sees a Jedi in bat you know in front of him and he just has to shoot her. Yeah, I was very surprised that we had for all the times we've had Jedi turn on the their own army, that this is the first time we've had uh a malfunction in the chips, right that obviously you know, this is the uh the bug in the system that you know Dooku and Palpatine were trying to keep under wraps.

SPEAKER_02 57:48

And I like that we're getting this now because uh the closer we get to Order 66, the amount of content that we're gonna have to consume to cover Order 66 is a little bit ridiculous. It's a little because we're gonna be in order for us to cover Order 66, and I don't know how the hell we're gonna watch it, but we're gonna have to watch like one movie, a few episodes from like three different TV shows, um, and try to watch them in an order that makes sense because you know, Revenge of the Sith, of course, is when when it happens, but we've got episodes of the Clone Wars, we've got episodes of Bad Batch, we've got episodes of I think Tales of the Empire.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

Um just don't make me play Jedi Fallen Order because I'm I'm no good at like I know there's some cutscenes that involve there are.

SPEAKER_02 58:41

I had to like when we were developing this show, we had to like kind of draw that line. Like, what's the distinction? Because we could go into comics, we could go into the novels, we could go into the video games, and and you know, because a lot of that stuff is canon. Um, but it's like we had we had we I can't I I can't consume the comics or like like now, however, I just watched I just finished watching the um Tales of the Underworld series. Have you guys seen that? We're not gonna talk about it um until it comes up. Um but there was there was an episode in there. Tony, have you seen it?

SPEAKER_01 59:20

I have not seen it yet. I don't want to say anything.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

No, you're fine, you're fine. But there was there was a scene in or there was a there was an episode and the the opening scene, I was like, wait, what? How wait, what how what's happening? So I had to look it up, and the basically the the explanation for that takes place in a novel. So it's like, uh, do I just read the wiki or do I not be uh an ignorant lazy bastard and uh do I actually purchase the novel and read it uh for the enjoyment of it?

SPEAKER_00 59:50

That book just jumped like five spots in my to read list. As soon as I saw that clip, I was like, oh, you gotta be because I knew what was from.

SPEAKER_02 59:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:57

And it's just like, okay, we're we're going there.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:00

Like I had knew I I had known that the two of them had had a relationship, but I didn't I didn't know because I haven't read that book. Like I said, I haven't read anything um since the the since aftermath. So an aftermath came out quite some time ago. So I haven't read anything that's been, but I don't know when that what was it, Dark Apprentice? I think the name of the book is.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

I know that's a book. I don't know if that's the book, but I'm aware of that. I think I think Dark Man.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:30

I think Dark Apprentice is the book that deals with the events that lead up to this episode in because it's a big retcon. Because people are like, How the hell did Ventures come back? You know, because we see we see Ventress in like these other episodes.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:45

When the timeline got reset, there were a couple books that had just come out um that were kind of like, Well, does this make the cut same thing? Ahsoka novel was another one where they sort of reworked the story when Dave did Tales of the Jedi and Ahsoka's arc. Like it's the basic elements are still there, they just changed maybe the location or the name of the Inquisitor or something. Yeah, yeah. You might if you hum a few bars, I can play along, basically.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:12

Yeah, so that's another thing. We've got we've got some really good Ahsoka coming up, so there's just a lot of really good Star Wars in store for us, um, as we get closer to Order 66, and it's just gonna be it's just gonna be a crazy wacky time, and I have not really sussed out how the hell to watch all this stuff. Because I don't want to, I mean, because really the way that we should do it is that we should watch like we should watch Revenge of the Sith up to a certain point, pause it, and then go watch this particular episode of this episode. When that ends, then we pick up come back, watch the next scene of the movie, then go back.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:49

You can't even get the sound on a clip on the of Louie from the show to work.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:53

Well, we're not folks.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:57

We don't have to worry about doing a Star Wars safe space machete cut. We'll we'll figure it out where it's just like okay, just watch them all, come back and then watch the movie. Yeah, just watch the thing and then clones start shooting the wrong guys, you know where we're at.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

Right. Hey, let me know if you can hear this.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:12

Very low, but yeah. Yeah, barely.

unknown 1:02:16

Damn it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:17

All right, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

I'll figure it out. Or I won't, and we just won't do it again. Okay, uh, so that's it. We're about to wrap things up here, but before we do, Foist, next week, homework, we're gonna be continuing on continuing on with uh season six here. Uh, you're gonna be watching episodes five, six, and seven, only three episodes. This is gonna be the Clovis arc that you will be uh watching. So um it's not filler, it's gonna feel like filler, but it's not filler.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:47

Um well, like I always say with Filoni, you know, filler is prologue, it's gonna lead to other things.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:53

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What Comes Next And Closing Tribute

SPEAKER_02 1:03:30

please do check us out on social media at the SWS show on all platforms. Crash and Tony are doing a great job handling uh the Facebook side of the house. Crash got into it a little bit, I noticed, with uh some salty uh fandom menacers. I saw that pop up in my own. Yeah, that was that was fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

I was like, oh and real quick, I want I do want to say hi to the people I met uh last week in a Motor CityCon. We were talking about the show. I posted us some pictures of them. Uh I know some of you joined the page and been checking us out. Thanks for tuning in. Hopefully, uh, if you give us a little shout out, if you see a Sith Lord, the uh one cosplayer, you know who I'm talking about. Nice to meet you guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:09

Um we need to get out more. We need to get out more like as a crew and just like go do some things. You know, we need to go, we did, we need to do, we need to get back to some cons. We we used to do cons a lot, and we I don't know, we don't do it anymore. We need to do it. We need to go on the road. We need to go on the road. We'll figure it out. All right, so uh that is gonna do it for us. Do you guys have anything on the way out? That's about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:34

No, all right, our RP to top and and fives.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:40

R I P.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:42

Everybody send Louie an emotional support animal after this, he's gonna need it. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:48

Oh, poor Louie. Poor Louie. He'll be all right though.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:53

It's so it sounded really cool though. If you if you find the clip, it was really good.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:57

I wish that everyone could have heard the clip, but uh apparently apparently that is not the case. So I apologize. I'll figure it out. I don't know how, but I'll figure it out. I don't know. I'll ask, I'll ask ChatGPT or somebody. I don't know, or Google. Okay. Um, all right. So if no one's got anything else, we're gonna head on out. As always, a very special thanks to all of our active duty members service members uh and veterans for their service and sacrifice. Memorial day is Monday, uh, May 26th. I would like to think that this episode will be out on Tuesday, May 27th, the way that it's supposed to be. Um, but if you're enjoying this live, uh Memorial Day is coming up. It is not just a day off for barbecue. Um, it is a day of remembrance. So, you know, we talk about our wall of remembrance here with the clones. Um, let's show reverence to the people that have come before us and sacrificed and made the ultimate sacrifice um in real life, you know, much like the clone troopers do in our fun fantasy world that we enjoy. So much. Um, so you know, every uh Memorial Day at uh 3 p.m. uh local time, wherever you happen to be at 3 p.m., just please stop. Moment of silence. You know, whether you know a military member or have a veteran in your life, uh, you know, if you go back far enough in your family tree, I bet you you got somebody attached to the military. Uh the further you know, farther back you go. But uh just three o'clock on uh Memorial Day, just stop for a minute, you know, 60 seconds, 30 seconds. Um uh just just to honor the people that fall that have fallen. You don't have to agree with the governments, you know. None of us do, you know. You don't have to agree with why these people were sent where they were sent. Um, but uh you know, they they heard the call and uh they answered, and some of them didn't come back. So uh just something to think about, and then go back to the the the the beers and the brats and uh enjoy the rest of your day off. But uh just keep that in the back of your mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:56

Absolutely, and that's a great point. Yeah, I mean, it's much as you know, we talk about you know, yeah, the the the how difficult it is watching some of these scenes and you know again RP to Fives and the Tup and all the other clones over the over the seasons. These are just characters, yeah. Memorial Day is all about those people who did the same thing but in real life. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:19

That's the thing I think you know, we don't we don't think about I mean some people do. I mean, if you know if you've if you've got if you've had that kind of experience in real life and you're watching you know episodes of the clone wars and and rebels handles PTSD really, really well. I was I was very, very happy uh with the way that Dave handled PTSD and that. Um and we'll and we'll we'll definitely talk about it when that episode hits. But uh yeah, the things that the clones are going through, actual human beings have gone through the same things, and worse, you know. So maybe not maybe not Commander Krell, maybe not Krell type levels, but uh pretty bad. So all right. So that's a great way to end the episode on such a somber note, but again, Memorial Day is a somber day, day of remembrance. So let's not forget, because uh I know there's a there's a saying out there that uh that says you you know you die twice, once when your physical body dies, and once when no one remembers you. Um so try to remember, even if you know get out to a national cemetery, just even if you have nobody out there, just go out there and plant a flag, lay a wreath, something. Just you know, just so you can read one of the names on those tombstones, uh, say it out loud, and they're not forgotten. So, all right, I'm gonna get myself choked up. So that's gonna do it this week for us. Again, thank you so much for joining us. You could have been anywhere else doing anything else, but you chose to hang out with us, and I appreciate you for that. So that is it. And as always, remember if no one does anything nice for you, do something nice to yourself, and we will see you all next week. Goodbye, adios Slainara Alvita Zing. Goodbye.