21. You're Not Broken, You're Just Programmed

In this episode, we challenge the belief that you're somehow "broken" and explore how our subconscious programming, shaped by past experiences and societal influences, can significantly impact our behaviors and reactions.

Join us as we delve into:

• Uncovering Self-Sabotage: Learn how archetypes like the "victim" or "adult child" might be unknowingly holding you back and what they're trying to tell you.
• The Power of the Nervous System: Discover how understanding your nervous system's responses (fight, flight, freeze, fawn) can help you rewire your reactions and cultivate a more balanced state.
• Reprogramming Your Mind: Explore practical techniques like visualization, affirmations, and identifying limiting beliefs to rewrite your story and create lasting change.
• Reconnecting with Your Inner Vitality: Learn how to tap into your "élan vital" – the inherent life force within you – to reignite your purpose and live a more fulfilling life.

Key Takeaways:

• Recognize and challenge the underlying beliefs that may be driving unwanted behaviors.
• Cultivate self-awareness and learn to respond differently to challenging situations.
• Embrace self-care practices to nourish your mind and body.
• Reclaim your inner power and live a life aligned with your true desires.

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Transcript

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Hello and welcome to No Cape Required and today's episode. You're not broken, you're just programmed. Sounds kind of crazy, but we're going to dig into it. I'm your host, Star Rossi, and we're going to challenge the belief that you're broken or maybe that there's something really fundamentally wrong with you. Instead, what we're going to do is we're going to look and try to uncover the truth that your behaviors and your reactions are really just deeply influenced by subconscious programming which have been shaped by our experiences, our environment and society in general. We're going to explore several topics around this. One is how self sabotage, archetypes might be holding you back and what they're trying to tell you even more importantly. And we're going to discuss the real. It really starts. Real change starts with, I think, understanding your nervous system. And our guest today is going to delve into that a bit. And, we're also going to talk about some tips that you can use to, rewire maybe this outdated story and embrace a new narrative of growth and empowerment. And then finally, we're going to talk about how, reconnecting with our inter vitality can really reignite some purpose and power within us. So together, let's start unlearning, reprogramming or unprogramming, and then thriving.

Let's dive in with my guest, Michelle Ward, a certified holistic health coach who empowers women over 45 to rediscover their inner vitality through holistic transformation. Now, if you're not over 45, don't stop listening because this is still an episode for you. And if you know someone over 45 that can listen to this episode, make sure you share it with them. Michelle's wellness journey, began back in 1999. And after earning degrees in, nutrition and coaching, Michelle expanded her focus in, 2016 to address the subconscious blocks that really hinder long lasting change. Michelle, welcome to no Cape Required.

>> Michelle Ward: Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here and talk to you and your audience.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Well, I'm glad you're here. Okay, you folks don't know this, but it's been a long time coming. We've had trouble getting our schedules together, but we're here, so this is going to be a dynamite show for you.

So Michelle, in our conversation that we had before this show, you shared that you had transformed your own life by overcoming, the self sabotage and reclaiming, I think, your health and sort of revitalizing your relationships. You tell us a little bit about that and how you use this experience to help other women on a path for this renewed health and energy and purpose.

>> Michelle Ward: Sure. Yes. So I have been a health coach since 2010 and I started off with nutrition and lifestyle as my focus and then kind of moved into mindset because the nutrition lifestyle, although was helpful, people weren't kind of sticking. They weren't really sticking to the plan. And I want to help people make long term sustainable changes so they don't experience a yoyo dieting or just going back to bad habits and things like that. Well, so mindset, you know, stepped it up a lot. But then I realized that there was something deeper that like I needed to peel back the onion even more. And. But it started in my own life because I kept on falling back into old patterns and habits that I didn't like about myself. And if you look at, if you look at my journals, it's crazy. It's like this. This poor woman was really struggling and it was just like the same thing over and over again. I would, you know, get offended by things or I would, drink too much. I really struggled with alcohol use disorder for about ten years. I had these unrealistic expectations of others, but I had unrealistic expectations of myself. And so I started recognizing these patterns in myself and really tried to change it through different modalities like meditation and things like that, which were helpful. But everything that. So my entire life, I think just like all this stuff culminated into a series of events, a series ofs. Unfortunate events, in my life in 2019 and 2020. And I realized my relationships were failing. I was overweight and I just didn t. I didn't like who I saw in the mirror. I was again drinking too much. And I realized the common denominator here is me. Like it's not everybody else, you know. And I think I had played the victim role, which is one of the self sabotage archetypes, that we can talk a little bit later. And I realized I can't play the victim anymore in my life. I have more control than I'm giving myself credit for. And so it was kind of a moment in my kitchen. I still remember the day. And I just said, okay, I've had enough. I'm going to change me. So that was the start of me completely transforming my mind, my physical, my mental well being, my emotional well being, and my spiritual well being.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: So you, you've walked the talk. m. You've been there, right? You swallowed that hard pill when you're like, wait a minute, it's me. We have to turn that mirror back on ourselves to say I'm the common denominator. Yeah, you've been there.

So tell me, how do we go about recognizing subconscious programming? Because I know that's something that we had talked about, right?

>> Michelle Ward: Well, so you. You can begin to see patterns in your life like, that keep on recurring. For example, yoy yo dieting is a great. Is a great, example, because I think a lot of people can relate to that. But also, maybe relationships failing, or maybe not a failed relationship, or maybe friends fall off and you're like, well, we used to be really good friends. What happened to that relationship? Or for me, it was just. It's hard to explain. I can recognize patterns through my questionnaire that I, you know, give to my clients. But you can see in your own life these things that just. It's like the same verse over and over again playing in your life. And it may be tweaked a little bit. It might look a little different, but it's all kind of the same theme. So. Yeah.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: So can you take some of those? When you see the patterns of fel. Relationships or relationships you keep being drawn to, they're not healthy for you that, you know, don't work out. Can you take those and tie those back to your early childhood or, you know, when we form these ideas of ourselves.

>> Michelle Ward: Yes. So a lot of times you can look back and our parents and our friends and our family, they did the best they knew how to do at the time. And I know that myself as a parent, I can't tell you how many times I've had to go back in a. Apologize to my kids about, you know, this is not what I meant when I said this, or I apologize for this happening. And. Which is very freeing for me. And it also validates you their experience as well. But, for example, one of my earliest memories as a child is I remember hearing my mom crying. And I went outside. I was probably four or five years old. I went out to the living room and I was like, why is mommy crying? And my dad got really angry with me because I came out of my room and I wasn't supposed to. And I don't know what they were talking about, but he told me to go back into my room. So that being one of my early childhood experiences, it was me feeling like my voice couldn't be heard. And then caring about people was not safe. And so. And the way that played out in my life is I actually did the opposite as I tried to be the caregiver for everybody and try to fix everybody. And then I would get frustrated in the process because they wouldn't do what I said to do or they weren't listening to me. so that's a small example. I do have a client that said, oh yeah, my son said that he has an addiction to M and M'BECAUSE when he was young and potty training, he remembers getting candy or M&M's every time he did something. Right. And that happens a lot. Or like every time he went to the restroom when he was supposed to. But that also happens a lot. in our childhood experiences that we are, you know, we're rewarded for behaviors in a way that may not be healthy. It might just seem like a great thing at the time, but that can, that can turn into addictive behaviors or other behaviors that rewarding yourself later on in life and it's not, it's not good for you, you know.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Yeah, I think I have an example of that and you tell me if I'm the right track. So just to make sure we can double click on this and understand it. So for example, my mother and father argued a lot and I wanted them to stop. So I would try to problem solve as a very young age. I don't know, I don't know the age, but I would go in and okay, you get this. And I was always trying to problem solve with them. And I'm still like that today. I'm a problem solver. I want to figure out what the problem is and figure out how we can stop and stop the conflict. Would that be an example of.

>> Michelle Ward: That's a great example. But that's also a great example of how you took that and turned it into a good thing. You know? so some people might like myself being a problem solver or the caretaker. I did it to my own detriment. I wanted to make sure everybody else is taken care of and I didn't take care of my own self care, you know. And I think a lot of women can identify with that. You know, the roles that we play as mom, wife, friend, volunteer. If you're involved in your church and things like that that you want to, you want to be that person to everyone and then you don't take care of yourself.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Well, I know when I first started coaching I had to be careful because we don't problem solve as coaches. Right. We help. Yeah. So I was like, wait a minute, I'm not a problem solver anymore. What? I can't give advice. So, okay, so if we view these behavior, we see these behaviors and we start to recognize these, and some maybe came from our earlier environment, how do we start to look at them differently then as opposed to being.

>> Michelle Ward: You have to start asking yourself the question. If, a consistent them keeps on showing up in your life, you have to ask the question, where is this coming from? And it takes some deep introspective thinking and some silence and stillness in order to really be honest with yourself about where this is coming from. And then you have to ask yourself the question, is this really true? Do I have to be the caretaker? Do I have to be the problem solver? Am I unable to be healthy? Am I too old to do this thing? Am I too old to lose weight? Am I, you know, whatever the problem that keeps on presenting, in your life, but you have to have that present moment, awareness in order to be able to do that. We get stuck in our habitual way of thinking and acting and we don't really give ourselves the time or the self love to question what our thoughts are, you know, and give ourselves enough credit to make the changes.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Yeah. So recognizing what's going on is the first getting introspective, becoming do the reflection and you know, the soul searching. And then we can make that mindset shift to say, wait a minute, it doesn't have to be this, this way. What else could be true? Yeah, what else could I do?

>> Michelle Ward: Right, Exactly. Well, you know, I have a client that is on her second marriage, but she grew up in a home where her dad was an alcoholic. She married an alcoholic, she dated an alcoholic for three years, and then she married another alcoholic. You know, she hasn't really asked for my helper, but I think about. And that's kind of an obvious thing. It's like, well, dad was an alcoholic and she took care of her dad. So you know, she thought maybe, she thinks that maybe she can take care of the other people in her life. So.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: And it might be a certain level of comfort. Right. That's what we know. This is all we know. Or this is what we can relate to. Yeah. In that case, well, tell me where do these, these archetypes, these self sabotaging archetypes come into play?

>> Michelle Ward: Well, so there are five main archetypes that I identify through the questionnaire. One, is that adult child. The adult child is somebody who wants everybody else to make their decision for them. They don't really use their critical thinking skills in order to make decisions for themselves. And that's just kind of a, you know, very simplistic. There is the victim, like I was just telling you a while ago is that I played the victim in my life. I blamed everybody else for my circumstances, but didn't look in the mirror and say, well wait, wait a second, that's 40 different people. I'm one person. How are my behaviors and my thoughts coming into play here? There's also the financial saboteur and that person may, you know, a client, in particular who would start and stop businesses. She'd be very successful in her business, but then something would happen and all of a sudden she wouldn't have any money and she'd stop. And that came from a belief that, you know, from her own childhood, her mom, she'd been very successful and academics and sports and things like that. But her mom would make the comment to her, don't let your success go to your head. And she didn't realize, she didn't make that connection, you know, that she was sabotaging her own financial life because she didn't want her success to go to her head. There's also the fire starter and you may know a fire starter. This is somebody that creates chaos wherever they go or there's always some drama in their life. Like they always, they're actually kind of fun because they always have a story. You know, there's always something. But then you look at their, their lives and they're like, oh my gosh, there's just chaos everywhere. I mean, how do you mess?

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: We call that a hot mess.

>> Michelle Ward: Hot mess, yeah. And then the final one is the failure to thrive. And this is, this is a person, these don't show up that much. But these are people that don't exercise, they don't, they don't take care of themselves at all. They're overweight, they watch Netflix, they're on social media all the time and they just, they just can't get out of their own way. and a lot of this stuff is, it's all based in fear. Now what is that fear of failure? Fear to, you know, success? Is it fear of what people think? Is it fear of being seen? You know, a lot of people don't want to be seen and they don't think that what they have to say or their life experiences are worth talking about. Don t they feel unworthy or they feel undeserving. So that can lead to all these self sabotaging behaviors.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: So if we figure out which one, hopefully we only have one of these. but if we figure out which one we identify with these archaeaypes, what do we do to change that?

>> Michelle Ward: Well again it kind of goes back to recognizing where that thought, where those thoughts are coming from and changing the self talk, you talking to that inner critic. And again, is this true? is this really who I am? And a lot of people identify if somebody says, well, tell me about yourself. Well what do you tell them about yourself? Oh, I'm a doctor, I'm a, you know, I'm a podcaster, I'm a health coach or well that's not who you are, it's what you do. But who are you really? And who do you want to be? What are your desires? You know, and also identifying what's keeping you from realizing those desires. And it's not necessarily about your purpose in life, but it is about doing the things that are going to fulfill you. You don't have to be this big, you know, famous person or whatever, but what fulfills you? Is it gardening? Is it, you know, is ah, it exercise? Is it spending time with friends? So yeah, you identify that thing and then you figure out what's holding you back or what you're doing to keep you from fulfilling your, your own desires.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Yeah, I work with my clients, a lot of clients I work with have sort of these self limiting beliefs. Right. And, and we uncover those and figure out what it is that's holding them back, what's stopping them from making the move. And you're right, most of the time it's fear. And you brought up the inner critic, the chatter inside our head. And we are so mean to ourselves in general. Right. We talk to ourselves the way we would never talk to a friend, A friend in need, you know, had an issue. We're trying help them work through it. We're accepting and loving and just working through this issue. Well, when it's us, we just like attack ourselves in general. We have to learn not to do that and talk to ourselves in a way that we might talk to a friend or a loved one as opposed to that. Yeah. Anything else about these saboteurs?

>> Michelle Ward: You said hopefully we're just one. But a lot of times people fall under the umbrella of the adult child. and then there's subset, maybe one, subset underneath that because, because if you are thinking for yourself and if you don't expect everybody else to do things for you, then you're in a better space to be able to figure out what is holding you back. Right. And I think that therapy is great. I think that coaching is great. I mean, I think everybody needs a coach on some level. I mean, even the greatest of grades have coaches. Because a lot of times you can't see the picture when you're standing in the frame.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Absolutely. And let's talk. Can I want to share just for a minute the difference between. The basic difference between therapy and coaching. And we've talked a little about looking backward, right? into our childhood or into, you know, early adult and those sorts of things, environments that helped us form our beliefs. But, but therapy typically is trying to solve something that was an issue that's behind us. Whereas coaching is forward looking. Now, this is a very simplistic definition of it, but coaching is forward looking. We may look back a little bit to see what was going on. But how do we move forward? How do we move forward? It's a constant motion of forward to getting to where the client wants to be. Anything to add to that, Michelle?

>> Michelle Ward: No, I think that's really a great explanation. I've been in therapy before, but it does come a point where you've got to stop ruminating on the past, you know, because all we really have is this present moment. One of the things that I tell myself daily is I know I can't change the past and I can't force the future. So I'm going to focus on this present moment. And when a problem arises, wow, how I handle it now is way different than how I handled it before. I used to go into fits of rage about the dumbest things, the craziest things, you know, but now I can just appreciate the moment. But that took, you know, took work. It took coaching, you know.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: It took coaching. Yeah, ye.

>> Michelle Ward: Coaching myself through it.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Well, speaking of iner rage and going through that, I said that we're going to talk about the role of the nervous system in change, right? And so let's delve into that a little bit and talk about the nervous system.

>> Michelle Ward: Well, so the nervous system is obviously very important. How you respond to situations, determine what happens next. Do you go into flight, fight, freeze, fawn you, you know, kind of, cower back. And so if you can recognize those responses and see what does that make me? How does that make me feel? Where am I feeling that in my system? I know whenever I would get angry, I could feel it like in my chest, you know. And so breathing into that is a great way to kind of slow down that fight, flight, freeze, spawn, Response and get you out of the sympathetic nervous system and into the parasympathetic and it's very important to do those, those self care practices. Whether it's praying or meditating or just sitting quietly or turning off the TV and not watching, not watching the news, you know, recognize putting your phone down. Yeah, put your phone down. Yes, exactly. and then there are so many environmental things that can cause us to go into that fight, flight, freeze and bo that we have zero control over. And so we got to control our space, you know?

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Yeah. And the, you know, one of the ways that we activate that parasynthetic, I like to call it the R and R is deep breathing. Because the nerves located that activate the parasynthetic nervous system are at the bottom of the lungs. So when we're upset, frightened, scared, angry, we're breathing really quick. Right. And the nerves for the other system, is right here at the top of the lung. So if we want to activate that R and R the parasynthetic and not the synthetic nerc, we have to breathe deep and activate it. So that's why taking 10 deep breaths can help help you relax. One of the activities I do with clients too is after they've had one of these situations where they have uncomfortable feelings is to journal about it. What happened right before that set them off? Right. What feelings were they having? Where were they feeling in their body? Like you said, the anger in your chest.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: There's been research that shows with heat maps that when people are angry it's in their central, it's their face and down their chest in their heart area. Right. so, so to journal about it, to figure out what it was and then to decide what they want to do the next time. So I think this probably comes into the reprogramming you were talking about. So this is what happened, this is how I acted, this is how I felt.

>> Michelle Ward: This was.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: These were the emotions getting as granular as they can. Now what do I want to do the next time it happens? So start to reprogram in your brain. Hey, when this comes up, here's how I'm going to act.

>> Michelle Ward: Right. And visualizing yourself in that situation again and reacting differently is a great way to program yourself to not react or respond that way anymore. It takes practice and especially if you haven't practiced that it is a habit know however you respond to different things, if you don't practice having a different habit or a different response, then it's harder to do it. In the moment, right?

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Yeah, yeah, Practicing. And I love that you brought up visualization because it is such a powerful tool that I think many people neglect. to you, it's used by the Navy SEALs. It's used by, I think Olympians use it as well. This technique of visualization of what's going to happen. So they visualize the whole thing in their mind. Right. And if a problem is going to come up, what do I do? And this is what do I do? And the power behind that is incredible. There was a study done, with basketball, with free throws, and there was a group that shot free throws. They all got a baseline, and then one group practiced free throws. One group didn't do anything, and then one group just visualized making the free throws. The group that visualize and the group that practice had the same gains. So that's how powerhful it is. And there's lots and lots of research. That's just one that popped into my mind. but there's lots of research around that. So thank you for bringing up visualization. Definitely a great way to reprogram things that we're doing, our behavior that we want to change. Right? Yeah.

>> Michelle Ward: Well, and another thing you can do is affirmations. But I m. Am a firm believer because I did affirmations for years. I'm like, well, nothing's changing, because I didn't believe what I was saying to myself.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: They're just words.

>> Michelle Ward: They're just words. Right. And so the visualization, I mean, if, you know, that is. I think that is more powerful than anything personally. In hypnotherapy. I do hypnotherapy with my clients as well. Once we identify the problem, then we can create a hypnotherapy that addresses that specifically. For example, I had a client who smoked for. She took up smoking again, for five years. she'd smoked, you know, as a teenager. and then she was going through a stressful time, and she started smoking again, and she couldn't stop. She was like, I don't like, how is it that I quit for like, 30 years? You know? And so I had her do a smoking meditation, and after two meditation. hypnotherapy after two, rounds. She had no desire for it ever again.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Oh, that's amazing.

>> Michelle Ward: Yeah, it is amazing.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: So, you know, this childhood, this prior life that we had. Right. Was a chapter in our book. It's not the whole book. What else do we do to rewrite this story and change. Change the direction of the book, if you will.

>> Michelle Ward: Well, you continue practicing, you continue visualizing. You continue identifying what beliefs you have about yourself that you're not worthy or you don't deserve this thing, and change the story. And then one of the things that is really powerful is to find a picture of yourself whenever you were at your happiest. Maybe you're at your best weight. You were so happy. A lot of times it's, you know, when you're dating the person you're going to marry or whatever, I find a picture and identify with that person that might have been you 30 years ago. identify with who she or he is and remember what was it that I was doing back then that I was so happy. That's another really great way. And then start doing those behaviors in your life again. if I think about whenever I was dating my husband, that we've been married for, 27 and a half years, that that was one of the happiest times in my life. And, you know, I was, eating well, I was exercising, and I was thinking about all the wonderful things, that were to come in my life instead of focusing on my problems, you know. So, I think a lot of times we focus a lot on what's not right in, in our life. Instead of having the attitude of gratitude, which, you know, it's a cliche that's maybe overused, but it is so important. Waking up in the morning and being grateful for 10 things before you get out of bed. You know, the sun shining, the cool air here in Dallas, you know, we don't have the 110 degrees right now. you know, just, different things. And it could be really small thing that you have a bed to sleep in and that, you have warn clothes to wear or whatever it is, the things that we take for granted. Whenever you have gratitude for those things, it really does reprogram your mind because you start off that your day that way and then you look for other things to be grateful for.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Oh, the attitude of gratitude. I love that. You just reminded me of one of my BFFs, her daughter. When she was in elementary school, she had created some artwork and her teacher made a note on there and gave her a bad GR or what she considered was a bad grade and she stopped. Then there was no more. She didn't create. She wasn't creative. She didn't, didn't really do anything until she was an adult in her 30s M and started as a stress reliever using art and creativity. And she is the Most incredible artist today. But she had said that when she was young, she got joy out of doing that. That just brought. Just brought her to life. But someone stopped that, unfortunately, a teacher and the grade. I'm sure she didn't fail her. You. It wasn't like that, but it was a negative comment that really just set on her and made her believe that she wasn't creative. So. Yeah. So real life example there. Okay. We don't have much time left. Gosh, I can't believe we're getting to the end. Can we delve in a little bit to reconnecting with this vital force within us?

>> Michelle Ward: Yes. So the name of my, coaching is Elan Vital Coaching. And it means Elan Vital. It's actually two words, and it's a phrase that was coined by a French philosopher in 1907 when he wrote the, Henry Burkson, he wrote this book called Creative Evolution. And that elan vital means vital force. And we all have that vital force within us. It is all. We're born with it. Right. Every organism is born with Elan Vital. And, you know, we are humans, so we evolve based on what our environment tells us, how we should evolve and what we should be, how we should think. and that happens, from the third trimester in the womb up to age seven. And then it's rein forced by different things in our environment. But, you know, if you plant an apple seed, its vital force is going to grow it into an apple tree. Right. Or lemon tree, whatever. So the Elain vital is all about reigniting that vital force. and it goes deeper than empowerment, because I believe that empowerment has been used, overused, is kind of diluted, and it really, suggests something outside of you to give you what you need. But everything we need is right inside of us. Our bodies are amazing, amazing organisms. And we can reignite that inter vital force and become anything that we can imagine ourselves to be just by recognizing that is within us, not without us.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: So that that force is inside of us. We have it. we don't need external forces for us to grow, thrive, and share our vital force.

>> Michelle Ward: Exactly. And we just lose it over time, but it's still there. We just need to reconnect.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: We just peel back that onion and look. Right. We get centered and get quiet and listen to it. Yeah.

>> Michelle Ward: I think.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Great.

>> Michelle Ward: A lot of courage to do that, because it really does involve confronting ourselves and actually doing the work. But it doesn't have to be hard. It can be actually a very joyful, fun experience, because then you, you start to realize who you are and what you're capable of, and it's really, really cool. And then the people around you, it has a effect. The people around you start noticing. I have a note over here from my daughter that talks just about that. A, year ago, she wrote me a sweet note just saying that she's so proud of who I become. And so coming from a 23 year old, that it means a lot, you know?

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Oh, for sure. How nice. How nice.

>> Michelle Ward: Yeah.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: Well, this has been a great podcast. Thank you so much. So much information jam packed in here. And, I'll have your contact information in the show notes so they can contact you. And I really appreciate your time today. Is there anything that we didn't touch that you just feel like you need to say before we hop off of here?

>> Michelle Ward: No, I really appreciate the time that, that you've spent with me, and I'm so glad that we got our calendars connected. But I do just want to say that you collectively, whoever's listening, you are, worthy, you are deserving, and you do also deserve self care. And this is all about self care and, you know, putting yourself first so you can put others first.

>> Dr. Dara Rossi: I love that. We'll leave it on that. And just think about this, gratitude attitude and keep that in mind. Yes. Thank you so much, Michelle. Okay, until next time. Bye, everybody.


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