{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.041,"endTime":0.5,"body":"(upbeat music)"},{"startTime":0.5,"endTime":2.708,"body":"Coming up on the Leadership Growth Podcast."},{"startTime":2.708,"endTime":3.708,"body":"(upbeat music)"},{"startTime":4.25,"endTime":7.25,"body":"Fake it until you make it can serve you to a certain point,"},{"startTime":7.25,"endTime":9.625,"body":"but you have to get really clear on who you are."},{"startTime":10.291,"endTime":12.666,"body":"Because if you're not clear on who you are,"},{"startTime":12.666,"endTime":16.291,"body":"then the people around you are not going to be clear on where they're going."},{"startTime":16.833,"endTime":21.0,"body":"And I believe as leaders, we have to be very clear on where we're leading people,"},{"startTime":21.0,"endTime":23.833,"body":"because people are signing up to follow you."},{"startTime":23.916,"endTime":26.625,"body":"They're signing up to work alongside you"},{"startTime":26.625,"endTime":29.958,"body":"and 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