SHF Podcast, Season 2, Episode 2- Applying 5-Element Theory with Dr. Sarah Fields

In this rich and inspiring episode, Acupuncturist Dr. Sarah Fields, joins us to explore the psycho-spiritual roots of wellness through the lens of Traditional Chinese Medicine. We dive deep into Five Element theory, connecting each season with its corresponding organs, emotions, and life lessons—from winter’s call for rest and introspection (Water/Kidney) to spring’s burst of vision and action (Wood/Liver). Sarah shares how modern disconnection from nature contributes to emotional stagnation, especially in women, and how ancestral trauma can manifest as liver and gallbladder imbalances. We also explore the liver’s vital role in purpose, hormones, and detoxification—offering simple, powerful tools like seasonal eating, rest, castor oil packs, and forgiveness practices to restore alignment and vitality.

Find more about Sarah and her work here:

https://naturalpathways-acupuncture.com/

www.kitcleanse.com

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Welcome to the Sovereign Heart Frequency Podcast. I'm Katherine Finley with Sovereign Heart Coaching and I'm here with my co host Miriah Feehery of Whole Being Counseling. We recognize that we're living through an intense time on our planet. There seems to be more polarization and division and less connected communication than ever before. We are here to change that. We intention to hold conversations in a container of love and authenticity. We believe that when humans come together from a heart centered place, we can not only understand one another, but we can get creative together, solving problems we couldn't solve alone. It's time to reimagine and rebirth a new world in which everyone's authentic voice is included in the harmonic orchestra of human voices, to create a world that works for all of us. Thank you for being part of this conversation, we're excited to have you. Hi everyone. Welcome back to Sovereign Heart Frequency Podcast. I'm here with my co-host Miriah Feehery, and we are so excited to have our friend an amazing acupuncturist on with us today, Sarah Fields, and Sarah has her doctorate in Acupunc from Five Branches University in Santa Cruz. She has over 10,000 hours of clinical training in traditional Chinese medicine and has additionally trained in five element acupuncture with Lonnie Jarrett, which focuses on psychospiritual imbalances. And before setting up private practice here in Western North Carolina, Sarah volunteered countless hours. Trips with Acupuncturists without Borders in disaster relief efforts. She served overseas in Nepal providing pain and post-traumatic stress disorder treatments after an earthquake devastated the region in 2015 in Greece. She served at the Syrian refugee camps and set up safe zones for women and children and provided yoga therapy and acupuncture. Sarah also has experiences working with veterans and has treated in numerous battlefield acupuncture, community settings, providing pain relief and PTSD treatments. Sarah's considered a top five agent of change next to Darrel Hannah by the Huffington Post. So we are super blessed and honored to have Sarah with us today. And what piqued my curiosity with having Sarah on is, how well versed she is in five element theory and with all of the, change and chaos that's happening now in our world. I was really curious to talk to Sarah about how she might. See that through the lens of five element theory. Sarah, so nice to have you. Mm-hmm. Anything else you wanna say to introduce yourself? Well, thank you. Thank, thank you for inviting me ladies. I feel so honored and having you just read that bio, I feel like it's so old. I could have a whole nother bio by now. That was like pre-kids, um, and a whole other, a whole other 10,000 hours of. Different lines of work. So, yes, it's a, it's an honor to be here and bring this ancient wisdom, which is the five elements into everyday life, and help us digest the process of what spring is and what the cycles that we go through are. I'm, yeah. I'm super excited to dive in with you mamas. Thank you. Would you mind starting us off with a brief overview of five Element theory? Yes, absolutely. So, you know, in all my treatment rooms, I have a chart that that maps out just this, the color of the elements, which are five. And we can look at it, from a year standpoint, a year's cycle from, you know, January to January, we can look at it. As a cycle of time tracking time through our lifetime from womb to tomb, it all matches and syncs up. And we can also look at that same chart as a 24 hour cycle from sunrise to sunset. And so, um, I think maybe we'll start with a year cycle of what that looks like. So. We can start with winter, where we can say birth starts at at the seed. You know, winter looks dead on the outside, but everything goes back to the center and we're just coming outta winter. We're in this transitory state right now, and the, the organs of involvement in wintertime, which is the water element are kidneys and bladder. And everything goes back to the seed. So, so do we. But you know, in our time we don't, culturally we don't honor so much the winter time, which is the most yin time of year, where we sleep and rest and build our batteries. The kidneys are our battery, which also govern fertility. So we see huge amounts of fertility issues these days and it's probably because of our adrenal exhaustion and kidneys going, going, going. There's no time to pause, there's no honoring in the slowing down process. Wintertime, we should be sleeping and resting, but instead we're going snowboarding or going to The Bahamas and traveling to avoid the stillness of winter'cause it's very uncomfortable. And then as we move outta winter and into spring, we, we see life budding forth and the seeds breaking open and new life is forming. There's this growth, there's this aspect of now liver and gallbladder governing the scene, and it's about growth, creativity, and moving forward past the obstacles. The seed. Sprout has to make it through the rocks to break ground, ultimately to reach the sun and to get to that life force. And on a spiritual level, and mental and emotional liver, all the organs in our body, how different aspects of our soul and our spirit, and the hun spirit, which is the liver, is the part of us that resides in our destiny. Our destiny, the scrolls, the script, the code of why we're here is, is in the heart, but it's actually liver's job to carry that out, to carry that forth because it's the, it's the general of the body, so it makes the plans. Gallbladder and liver are husband and wife. The gallbladder is the decision maker. So it supports the liver and the great plan of it all. So we have this plan, you know, like, okay, I'm gonna become a millionaire in five years. But, you know, there's little decisions and processes in, in that goal, like, okay, am I gonna save$10,000 today or am I'm gonna put away a thousand? Am I gonna go do this extra gig on the side, or am I gonna stay home? Am I gonna put. Am I gonna put extra caffeine in my coffee today or no? Like, there's still to, to get life going. There's all kinds of decisions, smaller decisions that more support the big plan. But unfortunately, you know, our gallbladders are under siege and under attack because of a lot of the physical ailments. There's ancestral piece, which is fear, a matriarchal fear in that line. That's different from the fear of kidneys, but. Also, resentment. There's a resentment piece in the mother line and for good reason, you know, there's like a patriarchal imbalance that's happened over, as we know, as as studying women and what's happened to us. There's this deep seated resentment and that, and the live and gallbladder are the house, the storehouse of these emotions, anger and resentment. So. Our gallbladders are being taken out. Not so much, you know, partly emotional, absolutely. But also because of the seed oils and the hydrogenated oils in our food chain. The gallbladder digest fats, it creates the bile, the enzyme that breaks down fats. And because there's so much foreign, genetically modified. Trans fats, like saturated fats, it's not recognized by the body. So gallbladder's the number one surgery that women go through. Most women don't have their gallbladders. So how does that affect our life and our spiritual life carrying out our life's mandated destiny? We still have the, the meridian, we still have the acupuncture points that we can support the gallbladder. It's just that the liver will have to take on more of that role. So, you know, that's why we come outta winter and it's springtime and we get excited. There's this new growth of energy. There's this new energy of hope because we made it through winter. We survived and our ancestors didn't always survive. And so the last meridian point is called Gate of Hope. And so oftentimes when I see patients who have a liver lung block, they, their liver isn't connected to the lung meridian. They've lost inspiration, liver. They've lost hope. So they can't connect to inspiration, which comes from inhalation. The word inhalation comes from inspiration. So we're not taking a breath, we're not receiving heavenly. To spring fourth in this way. So after spring comes summer, which is part of the fire element. You know, it's about, there's four organs and fire, and it's just a different energy. It's like fun. Our sleep patterns are different. We go to bed late. We wake up early because we don't need so much rest because there's so much. Power by the sun versus winter where we go to bed early and we wake up late. Because we need extra sleep because there's, the sun is all the way in the south. There's not much energy we're getting from that source. So summer's about fun and joy and barbecues and fun and family and really pulling in the light and the joy of life. So as we cycle back through the darkest times of the year, which is winter, we'll have that, that fuel to get us through after summer. There's a another aspect of, of summer called late summer, and that element is earth, and that's when we harvest. That's when the earth is giving all of her bounty and all the, the seeds that we planted in the spring are now coming forth, so we're gardening and getting our food supplied and. Jarred up and ready for fall so we could survive winter. And that's why late summer, those organs of earth are spleen and stomach. The emotion of that time is worry. And you know, worry is, one core five emotion and maybe worry is. Programmed in this aspect because it's like if you didn't grow enough food, you weren't gonna survive winter in that time. But it can be applied to many different things now. And as we go through winter and we harvest, then fall comes and everything, lets go. That's the season of grief. Lung en large intestine. So as we see nature letting go around us, everything's returning to the seed. We can let go, we can cry. It's sad. It's a transition. And just like spring, fall is also a very transitory time.'cause there's the both equinoxes, the spring and the fall. So very, very unstable times wobbly. The earth is wobbling, literally to get from summer to winter at that time. And then we move into winter, which is the seed, the time to be born again, to die and to return again in the spring. And you know, the emotions, are the internal cause of disease. So we move the emotions and there's a imbalance, state of emotion, but there's also the virtuous state. So if you're a worrier, if you're an earth element constitution, like I am. The motherly kind, the nurturing, I'm getting feedback from the, the realms, the lights are blinking. Our work is to transform, worry and to, and make it into trust. Trust is the balance, state of worry. And just like grief is the imbalanced state of the metal element, fall. We work, if that's our main constitution or we're in that state and it's really heavy and it's really hard. We work on turning grief into connection. So it's the lung, you know, in fall. And a lot of us are carrying grief for a lot of reasons now. We have had these pandemics and these respiratory illnesses that target the lungs. So we have to transmute our grief into connectivity. So we have to connect to our spirituality. We have to connect to something greater than us. And a lot of the, a lot of this, um, mutated virus that's getting in our blood and housed in the spleen, like these spike proteins are warping our blood. Which is where our spirit resides and lives. It's not easy to connect to, to source anymore and be able to access that trust and faith. So another reason to really take care of these temples that we live in and the an organ level. So that's like a year summary of what it looks like. Thank you so much for that. I just, love how five element theory is, based off of the cycles of nature and then how our bodies are so connected to the different cycles of nature. Uh, it's really, really beautiful, um, shows that intrinsic connection. Yeah, it's so beautiful and, and this is how they, the. Masters and people of the Orient knew, they just studied nature and they knew we were an, we are an extension of nature and we are nature, so why wouldn't we be that? And so they just translated it into the health. So yeah, it seems so obvious if, if someone is living, you know, a more, Tribal or simple lifestyle, but in our really complicated modern culture with our blinking fluorescent lights and our timed out schedules and, you know, three shift work days and you know, artificial light that keeps us working through nighttime and wintertime and. All the other inventions that help us feel removed from nature's cycles. I think it can be kind of profound to, to study these, these theories that bring us back into those, those obvious and simple perceivable rhythms of nature and where we fit into that. And right now we're in springtime and I was mm-hmm. I was born in early March, you know, so many years ago. But, it definitely is, I think a difficult time of year in general. I guess I. Was up for the challenge when I decided round. And I, it's funny'cause I've always said I'm really good with change and how five elements describes March. It seems like that that's very fitting for, for when I chose to be born. But maybe you could share more about where we're at there and, maybe some ways to support people through this time of year. Yes, absolutely. Well, so we're in March, officially spring starts, in lunar calendar time. It's different every, every year.'Cause we're on a different calendar time over here in the western world. But that was the, the last day of January, spring actually started this year and it's about a 15 day festival to honor and bring spring in. And that's the time that she and blood move from our kidneys and bladder, into the liver and gallbladder. And so if there's any blocks, you know, there's deficiency in the, in the kidney and bladder, it's really hard to make that transition. And so, you know, kidneys and bladder are our nervous system. It's our reserve. And in our ancestors' time, it was how much water you had in your reservoir if you survived or not. And nowadays it's how much money you have in your bank account if you survived or not. And, it's a, it's a product of our system and. There's a lot of fear, and fear is the emotion of that element of winter, kidneys and bladder. So if there's a lot of fear around finances, which most people are, especially in this region that was just hit in the, in the US is history of natural disasters. Our economy has completely been hit. There's a lot of fear. You know, I have like 60 some year old men coming in, like losing their minds like I never thought I would be in this place at this age and have lost everything. And so if that depletion is there, there isn't energy to move into that liver time that spring seedling that's supposed to have the QI to sprout, you know, liver connects to the eyes. So all the organs govern some orifice or some sense organ in our body. And so from the moment we wake up in the morning, our eyes open. We have desire, we have decisions to make. Like, am I gonna use stevia or sugar in my coffee? And, and if there's any block, like they say, the biggest cause for liver cheese stagnation is unfulfilled desire. And if there's no key to even just fuel desire in general, there's, that's what depression is. That's what melancholy and just this state of no inspiration. That's why it's really important to take care of the kidneys during the winter time. So we have the battery, we have the chi to, to become warriors in the spring. To essentially carry out our life's mandated destiny. You know, and like you were saying, Miriah, we get caught in these mundane cycles of life work weeks and you know, all the things we have to tend to as householders, but ultimately, you know, we should have enough space to be able to reflect on what are the most important things in life. And how can we stay in balance with that? So supporting the liver, I know liver out of balance is how a lot of people say that the US is like the liver. That's out balance. It's the total asshole that will go embalm any country or any people to get what it wants with no regard to them and their culture and their people, and we all have this. We all have this aspect of irritability, anger, frustration, jealousy. Bitterness, we talked about that resentment that gets housed in the gallbladder that comes through our matriarchal line. A lot of women have their gallbladders removed because of this unprocessed resentment and anger usually towards male. But oftentimes now it's, it's genetically modified foods and oils. So it's like we're be getting hit on every level. But I would say, the liver is one of the most important organs to take care of because it's, it's the biggest detox organ. It has over 500 jobs to do, including making every single hormone in the body. So we, we are seeing a lot of hormonal imbalances. Infertility is up like 70%. Men and women, you know, confusion around sexual orientation and stuff, I think, you know, that's a very touchy subject. But what if it's just congested liver? Um, a lot of depression, mood, any mood disorder is because of stagnated chi in the liver. So we have to continuously detox every single day because we are being bombarded with stuff in our water, air, food chain, to the point where, you know, most of what's in our food is banned in other countries and for a good reason. So it's important to take care of our liver because. If we don't, if we're not continuously on the path of carrying out our life's mandated destiny, which is something, you know, maybe you did this, Miriah, around your birthday, around our birthday is a good time to be able to reflect on why we came here or get re-inspired again, why we came here. A lot of people get depressed, like, why am I here? I wanna be here. There's, there's a lot of confusion and a lot of discomfort and pain, you know, and as mothers we have kind of, we have to stick around and kind of act like we're excited about it. But it is a true gift to be here and it's a rare opportunity. And according to different lineages and Buddhism, it's a very rare opportunity. They say, to be able to take a human body is as rare as. A sea turtle swimming in the vastness of an ocean and the chances of it popping its head through a little donut sized raft, like the chances of that happening, and to be able to take this form so that we can grow and evolve and ultimately forgive because that's the virtuous state of liver and springtime and wood element is turning all that anger. All that frustration, which is just desire for change, but using it for fuel, for whatever our destiny is. But ultimately to be able to fall asleep at night, we have to have that peace around forgiveness. And that's why at night, gallbladder time starts. We didn't go through the 24 hour cycle of the elements, but. Nighttime, 11:00 PM to 1:00 AM is gallbladder time and 1:00 AM to three in the morning is liver. So gallbladder, liver. And my clients do my 21 day cleanse for springtime to, to target the liver. A big piece of the cleanses to be in bed by 10 o'clock. No later than 10 30, because once that 11 o'clock time hits, once the chia blood moves into the gallbladder, like your spirit, your soul on this level starts to work out its problem, all the hard decisions because at midnight, if we're not in REM sleep, like totally asleep at midnight, which is this alignment that happens. Um. We're kind of in this alignment period right now with the eclipse tonight, but the sun is here and the moon is at the exact opposite end. When it's midnight here, it's noon on the opposite side of the planet. So when we're dead asleep, we can be like this conduit of sun and moon. And that's what we're ultimately always just balancing out within ourself, yin and yang, masculine and feminine. But we get this clarity and you know, and the Dao is say. At midnight, the hun, the spirit of the liver leaves the by way, which is this meeting, this ancestral meeting point at the top of the head to go connect with our north star, which is our destiny, which is the the map, the compass to where we're supposed to be and where we're supposed to go. So When we're not living in that way or on purpose or on our path, it's very depressing. And I think we've all been there. I mean, we stagger, and that's what the gallbladder channel does. It literally zigzags through the whole body, from the eye to the toe, the second toe. Um, and it's just zigzagging down. And it's kind of like that, like indecisive indecisiveness is a sign of gallbladder. Like you open a menu to order at a restaurant and you can't decide. You can't decide if you wanna live in Weaverville or Candler, that's me. I'm gonna do a gallbladder flush and try to get some dang clarity because it's very uncomfortable not knowing. And most of us don't like not knowing, and that's an egoic thing that the ego does not like, not knowing and wants to know. And if it doesn't know, it makes up the worst case scenario that could happen or the best case scenario. And there's no InBetween. So that's why it's our job,, in these bodies taking and tending to our earth suits that we. Prime them and make them the best organs they can be. So we can live in the best, most comfortable way we can be with that inner peace and having compassion and kindness. When isn't it so nice to, like when you're driving down the road and you get cut off or you're stuck at a red light forever, instead of like slamming the horn and getting frustrated like mother sucker like me this morning. And having compassion and kindness instead, like, oh, they must be late. Or having some ability to put yourself in that other person's shoe, like maybe they've just lost a loved one last night, or just having some more understanding and instead of just blowing up our ego in some heated way, that's all. Thank you. So we're in the springtime this time of, wanting to focus on our liver health. And it sounds like, just to summarize some of the things you said, processing anger feels like an important one. How to move that anger into, passionate,. Desire for change and what that action looks like. You've also talked about detoxing. I'd love to hear more about what you feel like is good for detoxing in the spring, because I'm guessing it's different depending on where you are. Where we are in the year of what, what ways of detoxing are best. Yeah. What other, what other wisdom do you wanna give us about supporting ourselves in this season of spring? Well, nature is so beautiful and so providing, and that's, you know, one of the things that we can work on with worry and, and that earth element, because ultimately that worry comes from not having enough. And so we can practice with gratitude and that everything we. Is gonna be provided for. We've always had whatever we've needed. And that's true when you ask like, okay, what? What's a seasonal thing we can do for our livers? Nature provides it like we have these greens that grow free outside in our yards. You just have to go out and pick them. Dandelions, and now we have nettles coming up. I'm sure you guys, you're the herbalist, you know more than I do, with Miriah's beautiful garden. But nature provides everything we need in, in the season to bring balance into our life. And so detoxing the liver with herbs and greens and bitters and sour stringent things to get rid of the sludge. And, you know, I've cultivated and we have been offering for about over 10 years now, a hybrid cleanse of Ayurvedic medicine and Chinese medicine with the herbs and the practices at home to support the liver through coffee enemas and castor oil packs and detox soaks for our hands and feet to drain the lymph that gets congested, from sedentary lifestyles and constant exposure to em f that are inhibiting our. Red blood cells and blood from moving and, you know, supporting our digestive health so that we eat life. Life doesn't eat us. And this is, this is a big piece of it, digestion wise.'Cause if we don't have digestion, that's our anchor. That's our earth, that's our center. And if that's off, if digestion is off in Chinese medicine, everything is off. Spleen and stomach. So, liver is in the middle. This middle terrain in our abdomen below the heart and above the kidneys. So we have the kidneys below and the heart above. This is fire, heart, kidneys, water. This is the most important relationship in the body. Fire and water, kidneys, fear. Versus heart love. And as humans, we're always just going back to the 2:00 AM. Am I thinking? Am I saying, am I believing out of fear or am I thinking, believing and saying out of love, which is heart space? And so I would suggest during these times that we're in, come back to the heart. Come back to the heart because this is, An eclipsed time where we can really have the opportunity to move a lot of the stories, a lot of the ancestral fear that are in our kidneys, that are in our bones. You know, because this is how our ancestors survive. This is how your mom thought and your grandma thought, and your grandma's thoughts, our programmed into you because you were in your grandmother, because your mom was in your grandmother and your mother's ovaries. Were formed while she was sitting in the grandmother forming. So it's not just our fears when we think of cultivating and changing and so we really need a lot of chi to move. Move the storyline. And to slow down because every season has a pathological chi. We say the emotions or the internal cause of disease and weather patterns, or the external cause of disease. And the springtime is wind. And wind can get in and cre. Mania, distortion, dryness. Our skin gets dry, our hair gets dry. We don't have anything to anchor, so really is a good time to, use a lot of oils, like warm sesame oils, oily salt baths, and just slow down and nourish and, and build Earth because Earth likes predictability. So knowing what you're going to eat every time, every day, the same. So you create this routine and that relaxes your nervous system because you're like, I know what I'm gonna eat when. Just that alone is huge. So I recommend my 21 day cleanse because it targets the liver. We need our livers to be tip-top shape because we're making hormones that support us on a 24 hour cycle and that seasonal yearly cycle. We need different hormones and messengers at different times of the day, also at different times of the year. So if we wanna live optimally in biohack. So we aren't just moping through life and resistance, fear, depression, anger, we have to dredge the liver. And I started to say the heart and the the kidneys that fire water access is the most important relationship and the body, but the middle liver is the bully. Livers like the fraternity house of all the drunk boys that are just shaking the walls and banging and hitting, creating disturbance. And the liver right here shares a wall, a little pericardial tissue with the heart. And the heart is the most sacred place in the body. It's the sanctuary, it's the meditation, it's the shrine room, and it likes peace and tranquility. And it's sharing this wall with these belligerent assholes that are just drunk. Then they wake up with hangovers and they're just mean. And so that meanness and aggression and heat disrupts that fire water balance. So at night our mind is the fire element. And at night, I mean, people say if you could treat insomnia, you would have a line wrapped around city blocks. Because at night our mind is supposed to be put out. That fire is supposed to be put out. It's supposed to anchor into the water element and anchor into a peaceful, calm, nervous system. But if there's not enough water to put out the fire, the fire, the mind stays alive and awake. That's why we wanna be asleep at before 10 30. So the liver. Can do itself cleaning. So not only does our soul commune with the North Star for our direction and our purpose in life, but also on a physical level, the self turning of the cleaning oven comes on. Our blood literally gets purified through the liver. 1:00 AM to 3:00 AM So if we're up or we're digesting food or worrying as we wake up, if we have unresolved anger, we usually wake up at that time. Two, 3:00 AM because there's resolution that needs to take place, but we know if we don't sleep, that's not living in harmony. Mm-hmm. So we need to sleep. Mm-hmm. Well that is so helpful and it's a lot to take in, especially, I mean, I've been. Swimming in this theory for many years now, but I can't imagine if any of our audience is new to it that they'd probably wanna listen to this, download like over and over to absorb all the information.'cause there's, there's a lot there, but I love how succinct and clear you make it with, you know, associating the, the seasons and the times of day and the emotions. Together to really show the pattern, the pattern recognition that just helps it all integrate that much easier. And I personally feel quite hopeful'cause it can be kind of depressing and devastating to see all of the toxins that we're swimming in, in our environment and our food chain and, and all the chaos that is. Happening in our world. And I just appreciate how you gave such simple, practical tools to navigate it, like sleeping at 10 and cleansing with, simple foods and cleansing liquids and, and yeah, I've, I've been wanting to do your 21 day cleanse for so long now. Maybe, maybe it's time. Yeah. So thank you for sharing all your wisdom with us today. Thank you. It's a, it's a pleasure and it's not my wisdom. It's the ancient theory that I was taught by my amazing teachers and education, so just the messenger. Mm-hmm. Well, Sarah, we know you have to go. You've got, wonderful clients waiting for you. Do you wanna tell our audience how they can be in touch with you or see more of what you're doing if they'd like to? Oh, thank you. Yes, absolutely., I've, I've got some, you know, things that I feel are the most. Important things for people to have, which are infrared saunas, detoxing a little bit every day. You can order as sauna on my website, natural pathways-acupuncture.com, and there's a discount code on there. You can get a hundred dollars off these little portable sauna tents. So if. Go on vacation or something, you can just pack your sauna with you and keep your detox protocols going. And it's not a big, huge cabin size. It doesn't, you can fold it and stuff it away. That's an important thing. Acupuncture services It's the medicine of our time, our nervous systems absolutely need this medicine, I just had a treatment yesterday and feel, I feel like night and day. And my kit cleanse. You can order online@kitcleanse.com and you can find the kit cleanse on the acupuncture site too. But yes, I've been practicing here in Asheville for over eight years now. I can't believe where the time goes, and it's just such an honor to, to have found this medicine and to carry it, carry it forward into the modern times. Such ancient wisdom. So thank you for blasting it through the airways, and I'm so excited to share your podcast and what you guys are doing and sharing in the sovereign world. Yeah, there's so much more we could share. I know both of us are just so interested in living a healthy lifestyle and making the world a better place. So maybe we'll have you on again some other time and go down some other, interesting topics. I would love that. There's much, much more we could speak of. Yeah, sounds like it. Well, thank you Sarah so much. Yes, beautiful day. Everyone go shoot some arrows. Archery's a very good liver. Mover because you're pulling the arrow back and twisting the liver, and then the eyes remember governed by the liver. So focusing on the bullseye gives the eye strength targeting the liver, and then the sound of when the arrow hits the target, boom, it's like, ugh. And you can imagine that person's face or that corporation or that tax bill, whatever you wanna shoot the anger out at. It's a very good liver activity. I love that as the closing. It's perfect. Happy spring. Happy spring. Happy Liver. Happy life. Thank you, Sarah. Thank you everyone. Thank you. Make sure you subscribe, like and share the video for more content!