SHF Podcast, Season 2, Episode 10- Horse Magic with Katherine

Welcome to the Sovereign Heart Frequency Podcast with hosts Katherine Finley of Sovereign Heart Coaching and Miriah Feehery of Whole Being Counseling. In this episode, Miriah turns the spotlight on Katherine to explore her lifelong journey with horses, how they became her greatest teachers, and the unique way they support human healing and transformation. From her early years riding to her evolution into equine therapy and now spiritual coaching, Katherine shares the profound ways horses help regulate the human nervous system, reflect authenticity, and model harmonious relationships. Drawing on HeartMath research and her own lived experience, Katherine explains how horses’ coherent heart fields help people feel more connected, grounded, and at ease.

The conversation then unfolds into Katherine’s discovery of the Resnick Method of Liberty Horsemanship, a spiritual and relational approach rooted in observing wild horse herds. She describes how this method fosters trust, willingness, respect, and authentic connection without dominance or coercion—and how these principles extend beautifully into parenting, leadership, and community life. Through stories from retreats, client sessions, and her own family, Katherine illustrates how horses act as mirrors of truth, teaching humans to drop power struggles, find connection, and embody coherence. Whether you’re a horse lover or simply curious about deepening your relationship to yourself and others, this episode offers inspiration for reimagining leadership, healing, and authentic presence in a polarized world.

Find Katherine's equine retreats here:

https://sovereignheartcoaching.com/current-equine-retreats-and-workshops/

Learn about the Liberty Horsemanship for Equine Assisted Professionals here"

https://www.carolynresnick.com/lheap-liberty-horsemanship-for-equine-assisted-practitioners-1-1 

Find Miriah here:

wholebeingcounseling.com 

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Welcome to the Sovereign Heart Frequency Podcast. I'm Katherine Finley with Sovereign Heart Coaching and I'm here with my co host Miriah Feehery of Whole Being Counseling. We recognize that we're living through an intense time on our planet. There seems to be more polarization and division and less connected communication than ever before. We are here to change that. We intention to hold conversations in a container of love and authenticity. We believe that when humans come together from a heart centered place, we can not only understand one another, but we can get creative together, solving problems we couldn't solve alone. It's time to reimagine and rebirth a new world in which everyone's authentic voice is included in the harmonic orchestra of human voices, to create a world that works for all of us. Thank you for being part of this conversation, we're excited to have you. Hi everyone. Welcome back to Sovereign Heart Frequency Podcast. I am your host, Miriah Feehery, here with my co-host Katherine Finley, and today I am interviewing my co-host Katherine Finley. And we are going to talk about her work with horses, her love of horses, the magical transformation and healing she has experienced with her work with horses. I actually met Catherine at a. At a equine therapy facility. 15 years ago, I think it was, during my internship to become a counselor. And so I've, I've watched Catherine develop through her career with horses and. It's always really inspired me. I had no idea that horses were anything more than gorgeous animals that could take you from one place to another and, you know, compete with, um, until I met Catherine and, and some other colleagues who really showed me the emotional connection and relationship and healing that's. Possible with these majestic creatures. So, catherine, where do you wanna start in introducing your beautiful history of work with horses? Thanks Miriah. I'm excited to have this conversation with you. I could talk about horses all day. I can just start with my entry into the world of horses. And you know, I came into the horse world, as many people do. As a young girl, I started riding and it's quickly became my favorite thing in the whole world. And so rode English and did some competing and stuff growing up. And then after, becoming a therapist, I realized that I could put my favorite thing in the world working with horses in, with my career. And so was really excited to learn equine therapy and it has just evolved from there. I. Worked with horses doing trauma work for many years, and horses are so good at this because, if they're in a safe and harmonious herd, they have a really coherent heart field. And so when we put our nervous systems in their heart field, our heart field starts to. Entrain to the horse's heart field. And that's why so many people, I think, say they feel good around horses is because their heart field's actually getting entrained to become more coherent, in real time with the horses. And that then helps their nervous system feel more regulated. And to say a little more about that, HeartMath has done. So much research on the electromagnetic field of the heart. It's the largest electromagnetic field of any organ in our body, much larger and more powerful than the brain. There's a lot more signals that go from the heart to the brain than the brain to the heart and heart math has. Done all of these studies to show that the more regulated the heart rate, which they talk about is heart rate variability. The more rhythmic the more connected the person feels to themselves, the more, healthy they feel, the more joyful, it corresponds with better immune system, better health, better relationships. And so, HeartMath offers all of these ways to build a more coherent heartfield while being with horses is one such way and one of my favorite ways. And so just being in the presence of horses is really healing, and really magical. i've felt that myself. And I'm just wondering if you have like a, an anecdotal example of a time when you witnessed horses really transform a person's energetic status just by being in their presence. The beautiful place where I keep my horse now, which is called Happy Valley. It's right outside of Asheville. They offer weekly meditations with the horses. And so you can go and sit in a circle where everyone's quite spread out in the horse pasture and There's folks there, including me sometimes to make sure everyone is safe, of course. But people are sitting in meditation with the horses and. Every week people speak about how they feel so much more ease, or they were anxious when they came in and now they're not. Or they had some grief come through that they were really needing to feel and they were feeling so much better at the end. I mean, there's countless, countless examples of that. So that's really, really beautiful and i've since shifted out of equine therapy to do more spiritual coaching work and was like, how do I bring my horses along with me in this? And I took, a year long facilitation course with Barbara Alexander. She's a PO Quest train trained. She's here in town. A beautiful teacher and facilitator. And I really started to be with horses in. Their spiritual energy and really started to see all that they can offer beyond just their heart field. All that they can offer in terms of healing and reflection to us, but also role modeling to us, what it's like to be, authentically ourselves and in harmonious relationships, which is how they live. Yeah. Oh, I definitely wanna hear some stories about that too. What I'll say first is that, through my equine therapy training and through this learning to bring horses more into my work as a spiritual coach, I was always looking for the horsemanship method that matched. The energy that I was bringing into my client sessions, and I'm not sure if that makes sense if you're not a horse person, but all the day-to-day, ways that I'm with my horse, right? If I'm grooming him or haling him and taking them to the space to be with the client. How is my approach with him in every moment in alignment with the honoring and respect. And sacredness that I feel for him, or any horse I work with when I'm in a session with a client and there was this mismatch. I didn't have the horsemanship skills that felt aligned. And this is gonna lead back into the transformations that I now see with clients. So I had this prayer to find that aligned horsemanship method and my family and I moved to Costa Rica for a couple of years. And I synchronistically met this woman Nan, Zintsmaster, and she is the co-owner of the Resnick Method, Liberty Horsemanship. And I learned a little bit about her and then quickly went to her farm to do a 10 day intensive on the Liberty method that she teaches. And as soon as I. Saw her horses and felt her horses and saw how curious and willing and engaged they were with her. I knew that I had found the method. Because even though, you know, in the equine therapy world. It's beautiful work and I could see horses checking out in those sessions, or my horse as, as an example, he got real compliant in those sessions. It didn't feel like willingness, to me it felt like compliance. And that wasn't what I was wanting to teach my clients about. Right? And so I began this journey of learning this new method and through. This liberty horsemanship method that seems on the surface that it might just be about horse training and horsemanship. It's been a deeply spiritual practice because everything in that method is based off of Carolyn Resnick's observation and learning from being months and months and years with, wild herds of horses and just being with them and watching them and being present with them to learn how the horse herd operates. And she has called her method self-realization through the training of horses because when you approach horses and decide to relate to them in this way, the way that she teaches. It has to be a transformational, spiritual experience. There's no way around it. Why, why does it have to be spiritual? Tell me more. Because in a typical way of horse training, and this is a generalization, but it's a lot about like you're the boss. You tell the horse that you're the boss and. And you're talking about horse training like at a ranch in Texas or in a round pen. At a facility that trains show horses or race horses or ranch horses. Do trail rides for tourists or something like that. Right, Like, training to, have horses under saddle and that sort of thing. And, what percentage of, privately owned horses in America would you say are trained in that, more traditional American way? That's an interesting question. I mean, most. Most, 90%? Yeah. Like 90%, 95%, some 99%, something like that. Yes. And, and there's certainly more and more out there in the consciousness around treating horses with respect and seeing them as, spiritual beings in their own right there is more and more of that. And the majority of training is still, I'm the boss and it's, it's more dominance submission kind of methods. Right? The horse is avoiding pressure, meaning that they're cooperating.'cause they don't want the pressure on them from the trainer. Which is what you were referring to as willingness versus coercion or compliance. Right. Right. Because even in some of the equine therapy, models that I. Played with, there was this sense of if the horse ignores, you increase the pressure. If the horse resists, you keep the pressure the same. And so the horse is looking for how to get out of the pressure. And so if connecting gets the pressure off, then they'll learn to connect. Well, this method with Carolyn that I started to learn just blew the top off of that because it is about. Being the benevolent leader so that your horse just wants to follow you. He's not trying to get out of pressure in that way. It's tapping the horse back into its natural instincts that it has with the herd. And there's these, codes of conduct in the herd and. The horses in a harmonious herd. They willingly and, want to follow the lead mayor and pay attention to her and, you know, follow the herd if they need to go to water or they're in a stampede, you know, whatever that is. And, and the reason it's a spiritual experience for the human, we then step out of that, way of. I am going to be in control, or I'm gonna tell the horse what to do or be dominant. And we step into their world. And the first part of that is, sharing territory with the horse. So what do horses do almost all day? They just graze together. They share territory with each other with no agenda. They're not trying to get anything from each other. Sometimes there's conversations around food, the grass or the hay or whatever. They move each other a little bit. But in general, they are just being together. And so Carolyn teaches, that's the first step for us to just be with them, with no agenda, not wanting anything from them. And that first practice in and of itself, first of all, it's this time for us as humans to get real present, get out of the monkey mind, get into the body.'cause that's where we're gonna be able to relate to the horse from. That's where they live, right? In the present in their bodies. So it gives us this time to do that. And it's this experience of being with. With no agenda, like just being with, for the sake of being with, it's very different from our modern American society is 180. Yes. It's very different. And a lot of the retreats I've done that exercise, even though it's one we start with and it seems like the most simple client after client will say, that was the most profound for me. I wanna go spend time with my daughter just to spend time with her without any sort of agenda or with my partner, right? With no agenda. Or if you're a boss, how about I do something with my team? Just so we can be together, right? How does that build relationship? And so in the Resnick method that I've been now incorporating into my sessions, we're building these five heartfelt strings with the horse, which is bond, which is what sharing territory builds and trust. Respect, willingness, and focus. And she says, when you have those five heartfelt strings vibrating, between you, then you have this magnetic connection. And that's the horse that just, just in your pocket and can read your thoughts almost You turn left. They turn left, can you say those again? Sure. The five heartfelt strings are bond, trust, respect, willingness, and focus. And again, she came up with these from watching what the herd had with each other. And as I'm sure our listeners know, you know, horses are prey animals, and so community is very important for them to help keep each other safe. And, so when these five heartfelt strings are vibrating, then what the, the gift from that is magnetic connection, which horses have with each other in a herd and we can develop with a horse, if we follow the code and, and learn how to develop these heartfelt strings. And when a horse gives me that connection, not because they're trying to get out of pressure that I'm putting on them, but because I feel this joy and willingness for wanting to be with me. I mean, It's the best. It's the best. It's like you really feel like I made it, I'm part of the herd. Right? And not just part of the herd. I stepped into a leadership role in the herd. So yeah. Yeah. So fun. It sounds like a big responsibility to be the chosen kind of alpha female, but. Well, with Work with horses that I do, it's a person working with one horse. Right. But Nan, who's, Carolyn's, um, the co-owner of the business, she has seven horses and she's the lead for sure when she's around, you know, and it's really cool to see that in a way that's. What is a good leader? A good leader is when, people or beings follow you willingly. They are choosing to do that because it feels good to be with you, which is very different than they're following because they're supposed to or they're following because they're scared not to. Right? And so transformational sessions with horses. Can span everything from helping someone regulate their nervous system to get present enough to even sit in shared territory, all the way to really developing leadership skills to hold that in their daily life, whether it's with their family or at their workplace, and everything in between, and developing that leadership through relationship.'Cause horses know how to live in harmony, which is a big lesson for us humans. Yeah, we definitely need more lessons on that for sure. And I'm curious if you can share an example you've seen in a client or with yourself of some type of that transformation happening before your very eyes. I wanna talk about one of my favorite things that I feel like has transformed my mothering, and how I've taken what I've learned with horses and put it into my life.'cause that's so much of what I do in my sessions, right, is, is someone is. Learning how to be in relationship with the horse in this way, entering into the horse's world and building a relationship. Then they're embodying that and how do they take it back to their life. And so, one of the principles of the Liberty method is finding your entry point of connection. So in this method, you never work with resistance, So if there's resistance, you walk away. Which is very different than other horsemanship methods where you might, keep the pressure the same or, or do something else with pressure. But if there's resistance from a horse in this method, you walk away and you find your entry point of connection, which is what can I get a yes to? So this has been really, really helpful in my parenting with my daughter for when she. Is resistant to something, right? I have learned to drop the rope, drop the subject, leave the premises, if that makes sense, depending on what the circumstance is, and come back to find a place where I can meet her. Let me think of an example. Like getting ready for bed, you know. Layla's nine. And let's say she's has energy and she doesn't wanna get ready for bed and she's hyper. I could get more firm and say, you really need to get to bed. Or I could find my entry point of connection. So that, has often looked like finding a song that we both love to dance to and she has a lot of energy. So we put on the song and we dance. And then the next song can be a quieter song, and the next song can be a quieter song. And so it's bringing her nervous system down towards, you know, more quiet and getting ready for bed. And then we're, we're together doing it right, because I've had fun and danced with her. So that's one example of that. I think it's one of my favorite pieces that I like to bring home is not working with resistance and entry point of connection. If we're in our relationships like that, instead of meeting resistance head on if we, walk away and try to find our connection point and another way in, yeah. It's like taking the power struggle out of the relationship entirely. There is no power struggle. It's just, like you were saying earlier, fostering willingness through connection and not through coercion or, compliance or have toss and yeah, that's pretty different from. A lot of parenting moments. I mean, hopefully every parent in our society has, has ways to connect with their kids. But do they know how to bring that as a resource when there's a power struggle that comes up and it's challenging to get the cooperation and willingness. I feel like there's not a lot of places where that's modeled in our society. It's kinda like, well, you have to or you're gonna get a consequence. Yep. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And I'm, I'm thinking of another example from a client in a retreat. It's another parenting example that she took to her kids. It was because it was so profound for her. So we were working with our energy and the different energy we hold when we wanna be in a leadership space. And there's exercises I do that are about leading and then following, and how to have that flexible leadership lead sometimes follow, sometimes. Uh, but she was feeling into to that energy and then thinking about how to bring that to her children. And she had this, fun epiphany around, she was like, you know. In general she's like, come on kids, come on, come on, come on. You know, when they're going somewhere and she was thinking about how, they were in an airport and they were maybe gonna miss a plane. Right. So they had to run through the airport and she was like, I never had to tell them to come on. I never had to drag them. It was her energy that was like, we're going now. And the kids were like, yep, we're going now. And that energy that she was holding in her body, it wasn't at all demanding. It was just like, this is what we're doing. It was clear and direct and the kids felt it. And there was this. Response to it. And so this light bulb moment for her was how to work with her energy more, and check in. We need to check in. What energy are we putting off when we feel in that space of like, come on, come on. Yeah. And, a Lot of women in my workshops. It's like how to bring our energy up and be real clear and direct without being angry. And that seems to be a common thing that that can be hard to do. So how do we bring our energy up and bring it down? When not angry? We were learning how to modulate our energy and we're more clear. Yeah. That's interesting to, to look at your energy on just a, a scale of its own. Like one of my low energy, 1:00 AM my high energy. And then to look how it correlates with different emotions. Mm-hmm. And to try and maybe view them as individual measures and you know, we often think of like sad as being low energy, but it doesn't have to be. Mm-hmm. You know, and like you said, anchor, anchor does pump a lot of energy into the system, so, but I know people who might shut down when they're angry too, so. Yeah. And there's another exercise that I do in a lot of my retreats that, Just brings in a different piece that I wanna share.'cause I've been talking more about this like leadership energy piece and that is, the exercise is called Heart's Desire and it's about the person getting in touch with a question that they have around a challenge in their life or something that's been feeling really difficult and sharing space with the horse and asking this question heart to heart to the horse. And this is after the participant has really worked with their own energy and then their energy meeting the horse's energy. Um, they've done a lot of, a lot of different things before this kind of exercise, but the answers that spring forth from this exercise are so beautiful and what it shows me is. First of all, we don't know, right? Is it coming directly from the horse? Is it coming from their inner knowing? Sometimes it could be one or the other. Sometimes it could be both. But we always have the answers that we need inside of us, and it's never about me as the coach helping someone. Giving some sort of answer, but wi the horse energy. People find their answers, they always find the exact answer that they need. And that's just this miraculous thing over and over but I, I believe it's because. We have the answers that we need in our hearts already, and horses help us get in touch with that, in whatever way they're doing that. And I think we can do that with trees and with mountains, you know, it's, it's not just horses, but horses are so willing to, hold that space for us. Yeah, they're, they're such a unique creature. Just the way that humans can be in relationship with horses is so unique. You know, I think of. Other domesticated animals like cats and dogs who humans interact with a lot, probably a lot more than horses. But in a way they almost take on too much of our stuff. And, as people in the healing professions, you and I know that. The healing presence of animals is, is pets like that are profoundly measurable. Like your lifespan increases by, I forget what, like five or 10 years if you have a pet in your home, on average because of how resourcing it is. And, and I've noticed in my, clinical practice that when, when people have a attachment trauma and have a hard time resourcing with other people. Other people are such the source of their pain throughout their life that the animals in their life, their pets are always, what resources them in a time of need. And thank goodness for that. But there is something different about, house pets and horses, in a way that like, yeah, you, you don't often hear people say, I met a dog today and I had this transformative experience. It's more like if you invite one into your home, yeah. It's gonna change your life and hopefully for the better. But the way that I've seen people have these, one session transformations with horses in equine therapy, is, the best word is majestic, right? Like it's, it's beyond the, the day to day, the mundane. It's, it's on this grander level of resonance and, and connection and transformation, and it's really, incredible to witness. And I love how you've been on the search for this. Authentic, approach to working with horses. And you finally found it, and I'm so happy for you. I, I celebrate the, that culmination of your efforts to, you know, you found natural horsemanship and that got you closer than the traditional way of raising horses. And you're like, this feels so much better to not have to be so dominating over a horse, but then something inside of you is like. But there's something more, there's even more harmony to find in my relationship with horses. So, I honor your dedication to that discovery process and your desire to share that with others. Thank you. Yeah. It's really interesting to think about horses, partnerships with humans. Through our history, right? We've evolved together. Humans would not be where they are if it hadn't been for horses. Carrying them long distances, taking them into battle, right? Allowing the fields, hauling the heavy, you know, lumber, our whole civilization was horse based for so long. Industry was horse based entirely. It's really only horses that have held that role. And I really believe that horses are evolving as well. And they love being recognized now for more than, a vehicle or a fun animal to take to horse shows and jump. I mean, I think a lot of them like that kind of stuff too, but, but they're being recognized now for. The depth of the beings that they are, they're healers, their teachers. And, I feel that from them. I feel when I'm working with them, this gratitude to me that I'm recognizing, these other layers of who they are and they get to bring this side of themselves to people. It's special. Did you ever read Gulliver's Travels? This story? I didn't. I read it in high school and was always struck by, I think it was one of the final chapters where he encounters, a culture of horse people. They can talk and have a whole civilization But they're horses and they brought him in when he arrived and were kind to him and gracious to him and wanted to get to know him. And then as he was telling them about him and what culture he comes from, they learned that his species can lie. And they were just so horrified by that. They told him he had to leave that. He could no longer stay in their. Civilization because they could only tell the truth. They had no concept of lying. And it just offended them to even know that that existed. And I feel like, that story, even it was written around the turn of the century, but there was such a, I think, accurate perception of horses in that way.'cause really they. They really can't lie. You can really see in their bodies and in their expression, whatever is true for them. And I love that, that that is growing increasingly important in the healing work today, to just have those accurate reflections. Have those, those mirrors through the horses of, You know what, what They're able to reflect back to us when they are sensing our nervous system and responding to it. Yeah. They can't lie. And they can't be lied to. Right. Like. I might be able to lie and manipulate another human by maybe saying, I'm fine when I'm not really fine. But a horse knows instantly you're not fine. And so in that way, like you're saying, they reflect that to us because humans, we can also lie to ourselves. We can have things going on that we're not wanting to admit to ourselves, not wanting to be honest about. Right. And horses. Know it and feel it. So they can help us become more honest with ourselves and be more coherent. In that who we're showing ourselves to be matches what we're feeling. And that's what feels safe to horse. They would much rather someone, be sad and really. Cry and be in that energy that's gonna feel much safer than someone feeling really sad and trying to repress it and not look at it right? Then the horse is like, what's going on with that person? What, you know, their energy is not matching or feeling nervous or afraid and trying to pretend like you're not, that's not gonna feel good to a horse. So horses. Really teach us, and people that come into equine work, they want to be connected to the horse. So they have this huge motivation to, come into a more authentic place, whatever that means, with whatever they're feeling. And horses teach us to do that, to be real. And, if I could think of any role model on. Planet for humanity, it would be the harmonious wild horse herd. Each horse really gets to be their authentic self. They're not cookie cutters of one another. Anyone that's met horses know they each have very unique personalities. And there's harmony. They have found harmony. And that doesn't mean that one horse may not ask another one to move out of the way. And if he doesn't move, he's gonna bite him in the butt, right? But then they go back to neutral, then it's over, and they go back to harmony. And there's also something about WildHorse herds the herd knows when to look out for the individual. Like if there's a baby in the midst and it needs extra protection, right? And the individual knows when to look out for the herd, when they need to all stampede away from something. They know how to do that and so they can teach us that how to be fully ourselves, our unique, beautiful selves. And be in harmony with our community and those around us. Obviously I'm biased, but they're my teachers. I love that. Yeah. Wouldn't that be so wonderful if. If humans could learn those qualities from horses. I know authentic expression is probably the primary goal of the majority of my clients. And also, we need that cohesive harmony in our community is to feel safe. And we're so far from it right now, and it's, it's painful to watch. And so I'm really heartened to know that you're doing. The little piece that you carry for your corner of the world to help people see what's possible. Yeah. Thank you. I feel really honored that this lifetime I've been called to partner with horses. I'm super grateful. It feels really special. Yeah. Yeah. So thanks for talking to me about it. I'd love to share. Yeah. A couple things I have coming up in case anyone's interested. Please do so, I run retreats here in Asheville and in Costa Rica. So I have a retreat coming up in October here in Asheville. It's this, 17th, 18th, 19th. It's that weekend and it'll be beautiful here. It's like peak leaf season. It's gonna be a really fun one because, I am co-facilitating again with Karen Levy, who I co-facilitated with last year. But we also have a special guest, Etti, who, who's a horse healer, and she's gonna be teaching us how to work with the. Horse healing energy for ourselves and for our loved ones. So how to actually send that energy to others. So that's gonna be really cool. And then I have a retreat coming up in Costa Rica, October 31st. November 1st and November 2nd. That's in, no, on the Pacific Coast. Beautiful little town. And for those out there that might be listening, who are equine assisted facilitators, Zenz, master of the Resnick Method, and I have been. With Carolyn co-creating a new program under the Carolyn Resnick method, and that's Liberty Horsemanship for equine assisted Professionals. So that's to bring this beautiful horsemanship method I've been talking about to equine coaches, equine therapists, people doing equine assisted learning. So if you're like me and you've taken a bunch of trainings, but don't feel like you have that horsemanship method that really aligns and you want to bring these five heartfelt strings into your client work, be in touch with me. And we're starting October 1st, so next week we're super excited about that. That's a nine month program that's a hybrid of online with video coaching and, in-person clinics. And for Asheville, folks. I'm at Happy Valley, H-A-P-B-E Valley in Leicester, right outside of Asheville. And I do private sessions and private retreats. Private, half day, full day. You could bring your team, I can do group work, that sort of thing. So yeah, all the horse work, oh my gosh, that all sounds so juicy. Yeah. That's an exciting way to, to close out the year. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, thank you. I appreciate it. I know I'll have to get you out to hang out with the horses again soon. Yes. I always enjoy when you share that with me, and I've learned so much, from working with you in the past and just also being your friend and hearing about all of your journeys and adventures. And I, I hope our audience, is inspired as I've been throughout the time. I've known you from this, this interview. Yeah, just more connection with the natural world in whatever form it takes. But if you really want the most bang for your buck, the, the horses and their majesty are really amazing mirrors for what's alive inside of you and how they're almost like an authenticity thermometer. They're so, sensitive like you named earlier to when we're not congruent. They won't have it if you're not showing up congruently. So if you want that connection, you better really find that Yep. That coherent heart field inside of you and. In that present moment, all these good practices that just help us everywhere in our lives. Like you said, there's many ways to do it, but I have a versus are fun. I have a fun story to end on that captures that. I was working with a teenage client and, she was in the pasture with my horse. The horse was just grazing and she was just standing there her arms crossed like, what is this? You know, this is dumb, or whatever was the sense I was getting from her. And then all of a sudden my horse, picked his head up and beelined over to her, across the whole pasture, beelined over to her, and her eyes got really wide and I was like, what just happened? And she said, I just had the thought. Maybe I'll give this a shot. My horse felt it. Oh, that's so sweet. That is how attuned and sensitive these beings are, right? And yeah. Mm-hmm. So, so special. They're so special. Yay. Thanks for letting me to talk about it today, Miriah. Yeah. It was great to hear the latest and greatest of what you've been up to. So have a wonderful workshop this coming week and the ones you named throughout the rest of the year, especially Leaf season and Appalachia. Oh, it's gonna be great. All right. Thank you. Thank you everyone for listening. Make sure you subscribe, like and share the video for more content!