SHF Podcast, Season 2, Episode 14: Inner and Outer Sovereignty with Natalie Rose Martin

In this episode, hosts Miriah Feehery and Katherine Finley welcome Natalie Rose Martin, founder of Arbor Vitae Mystery School, for a conversation about sovereignty. Natalie shares her journey into sovereignty work, explaining the important distinction between inner sovereignty—which involves self-responsibility, shadow work, and connection to source—and outer sovereignty, which focuses on reclaiming personal power from systems that don't serve us. She discusses her involvement in the Asheville Assembly and the broader movement to restore grassroots governance structures that empower local communities.

The conversation explores the spiritual nature of sovereignty work and why doing the inner work is essential before taking outer steps. Natalie emphasizes that true sovereignty comes from taking responsibility rather than outsourcing our power to external authorities, whether in healthcare, education, or legal systems. She shares practical wisdom about balancing self-responsibility with healthy boundaries and maintaining connection to both source and the earth. Natalie encourages listeners to approach sovereignty as a gradual spiritual journey that requires courage, community support, and faith in our divine nature as creative beings.

Find more about Natalie and the resources she mentioned:

https://www.arborvitaemysteryschool.com/

https://www.youtube.com/@natalierosemartin 

Soul Patterns audio:

https://www.arborvitaemysteryschool.com/opt-in-c7684657-b01e-4ed4-bb61-714adcdb85b1

Equity Passage ebook:

https://www.sacredhonoref.com/equity-unveiled#a_aid=122&a_bid=a0042a2f

Trifecta Trust ebook:

https://www.sacredhonoref.com/trifecta-home#a_aid=122&a_bid=d5923158

Assembly:

https://ashevilleassembly.net/

Find Katherine at Sovereignheartcoaching.com 

Find Miriah at Wholebeingcounseling.com

Transcript

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Welcome to the Sovereign Heart Frequency Podcast. I'm Katherine Finley with Sovereign Heart Coaching and I'm here with my co host Miriah Feehery of Whole Being Counseling. We recognize that we're living through an intense time on our planet. There seems to be more polarization and division and less connected communication than ever before. We are here to change that. We intention to hold conversations in a container of love and authenticity. We believe that when humans come together from a heart centered place, we can not only understand one another, but we can get creative together, solving problems we couldn't solve alone. It's time to reimagine and rebirth a new world in which everyone's authentic voice is included in the harmonic orchestra of human voices, to create a world that works for all of us. Thank you for being part of this conversation, we're excited to have you. Hi everybody. Welcome back to Sovereign Heart Frequency Podcast. I'm your host, Miriah Feehery, here with my co-host Katherine Finley. And today we have a very special guest, Natalie Rose Martin, and she's another fellow as Ilian, who I have, had the honor of being in some beautiful sovereignty movement circles with, and I thought that our audience would greatly benefit from hearing her perspective on things. So welcome Natalie. Thank you both. Thanks for. And Natalie is a land steward medicine woman and founder of Arbor Vitae Mystery School, where she teaches and guides women, men, couples, and communities to embody new earth practices and principles. She's a catalyst facilitator and witness of deep transformation in those who choose to enter her containers rooted in the law of one and the Gain Codex. The mystery school teachings range from practical tools to metaphysical concepts that support soul embodiment and deeper understanding of this game called life. So welcome Natalie, and to start maybe you could share with us a little bit about your journey with your work, where you started, and how you got to where you are today with it. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. So. Where my journey started. I mean, I will just say right here that I grew up on an intentional community and I circle back around to that territory kind of now. So, that's part of my foundation. But I'll say that I really dove into sovereignty work and what I would call inner sovereignty work, when I started energy healing training. So that path really got me in touch with, you know, my higher self and my connection with source, which is the, you know, the primary connection when doing healing work with others. So I really got linked up, that was in 2010 when I started. My studies that way. And so, yeah, so I would say that's really the beginning of what I would call sovereignty work. And then, I continued on that path of studying and practicing healing work. Like I was working with clients and continued my studies with various teachers and just went deeper and deeper into inner sovereignty and unwinding, conditioning, reclaiming aspects of myself and my power. And that was a huge and very important aspect of my journey. And at a certain point I was kind of like, am I done yet? What else is there? I kind of had this like, okay, enough naval gazing moment and made a conscious choice to Shift my focus and look up and out. And what I found was what I now call outer sovereignty and the sovereignty movement. So I really feel like the foundation of the inner work is really important and was really key for me in my journey. And I will also say right here that if people are coming to the outer sovereignty movement without any of the inner sovereignty work, which I think happens with some regularity, there's a lot of projection. And, so I see a need in the sovereignty movement for doing the inner work and shadow reclamation and integration and all of that. So it was, you know, 2020 really was a catalyst. But I think it was 21 when I really started learning about the inner workings of the current system. And what I'll call the, commercial jurisdiction or the public jurisdiction, which I now differentiate from the private jurisdiction, which is where we, you know, do the work of reclaiming our self-responsibility and self-governance in the private. I think the first I've learned about trusts. A friend shared with me about trusts and also shared with me about the elite markets sort of trading on our social security numbers that I was like, what? Okay, that actually makes sense. I've always wondered about these documents. You know, the birth certificate, the social security number, Even the driver's license, like these are all contracts that have become normalized in our culture. But, most of us don't know that we're in contracts with these documents, but we are, and those are documents that bring us into the public commercial jurisdiction. So I started learning about the underpinnings and the inner workings of this system. And then I learned about, the option to become a state national, or correct your status from a citizen to, a US national. And that so far is a choice that I've chosen to make on the airplanes. Like I just know who I am. I know I'm a living woman of the living soil of the glorious, this glorious planet. And, I haven't found it necessary to file the paperwork on that one. So a workshop came to Asheville and a bunch of us attended it. I was very called to be there. I grew up in Ohio, in southeast Ohio, in the foothills of the Appalachians side note. So the second day of this workshop, there was this character in the back of the room who kept like shouting out answers and additions to what the presenters were sharing. And he sounded familiar to me. And he also sounded like he knew what he was talking about. I was like, who is that guy? He's from Ohio. That's why he sounded familiar. I was like, oh, Dave from Ohio. Okay. So he was like, well, if y'all really want to get free, start an assembly. And I was like, okay, Dave. Well how do we do that? Tell us. And so we gathered, I think probably 75 people, at a speakeasy, event space that is sadly no longer. In Asheville. And he sort of gave us this constitutional history of the US and some foundational steps to take towards creating an assembly. So seven of us, sovereign creator beings gathered together and established the Buncombe County Committee of Safety, also known as the Asheville Assembly. So that was really big. That was, the beginning of, or the end of 22 was when we established. So it's been three years and we really, um, we grew our membership and we, you know, we went through this whole common law process of getting established on the land. So, so much of this process of sort of removing ourselves from the public commercial jurisdiction and finding ourselves firmly planted on the land in the private jurisdiction is, It's like a reorientation, and then there's documents and paperwork and essentially new contracts, right? So we're choosing the contracts. This time we're choosing writing, creating, and endorsing these new contracts that, are functionally moving us from public into private. And, so the assembly, has been very vital. We're in a little bit of a waning phase right now. We grew our membership, we did a lot of work to, educate our local community, which we still do. And ultimately, I think we're very well established and as. Needed, we will rise to the, to the fore again. But this whole process of creating assemblies is referred to as restoring the republic. So this country, America was founded as a republic, and then the sort of propaganda machine convinced us that we're a democracy. But there's, there are some significant differences between a republic and a democracy. And actually our founding documents, like we, it is a republic. But in order to really fulfill that, there have to be, People in place, you know, there have to be these assemblies and these structures in place. So there's been a big movement across the country to restore the republic. And so essentially that's been happening and we've been a big part of it. Asheville Assembly kind of rose quickly, and, you know, our mentor, the one who started us off, said we were the gold standard and then we were the platinum standard. So we got, we got excited about really just supporting other assemblies getting set up so that the network of the established republic exists. And the idea is that, you know, we're here and if the current system were to collapse and crumble, we would be here already, already set up, already structured. And already fairly adept at collective self-governance. Natalie, which, which founding father was it? Who said a republic? If you can keep it. Oh, I just don't know. I think it was Hamilton, but maybe not. Maybe it was Jefferson. But yeah. Could you explain the difference between a republic and a democracy and why, this sovereignty movement favors the concept of a republic over a democracy? Yeah. So the basic difference is in a democracy, the majority rules the whole. And in a republic, everyone gets to be free. So how would assemblies function? Like if, if there was a functioning republic, we could wave a magic wand and we had a functioning republic with all of these assemblies, what would that look like? Yeah, well I think we do have a functional, republic. It's just somewhat off the radar there. So originally there were five branches of government. We're only taught three, you know, we're taught the judicial executive and legislative branches. There's also the assemblies and then common law, grand juries. And so essentially we're just bringing those two branches back to life. So if the republic was fully restored, then each county would have its own assembly that was connected to the state level assembly, but it would be grassroots and it would be ground up. So the people of the counties would bring their inquiries and, you know, processes to the state level. And the state wouldn't be decreeing things to the county level. Right. It truly is returning the power to the people to have these systems in place. If, yeah, if it was fully functional and so as an example, North Carolina has a hundred counties in order for the whole state of North Carolina to be settled on the land, and have a fully dejure government the way it is supposed to be, then it would require, I think it's 75 of the counties to be settled and have assemblies. So the efforts of the Asheville Assembly have, you know, in the last year, been mainly focused on cultivating or supporting other counties to get their assemblies going so we can have that. And then the power really of these two lost branches of government, the assemblies and the common law, grand juries is to hold, the other branches accountable, right? To hold our elected officials and appointed, officers accountable to their oaths of office. So this has been a big part of the research of the Asheville Assembly is like researching the oaths and bonds of our public officials. And, yeah, it's kind of a mess, honestly. So I think what's happened over time is, well, essentially at a certain point, the whole government became corporatized. So the whole government is a corporation with various, Levels, you know, of corporate power instilled, and it's really not functioning as a governmental body anymore. Yeah. So assemblies are a really important aspect of reclaiming the republic and reestablishing these lost branches of government. And ultimately, you know, the power exists with the people. If the people choose to remember and rise up and claim it, it's not gonna just happen on its own. And is this really only true to the United States because of how our constitution was set up? That's a great question, and I think probably yes. Interesting. Yeah. I think because we're a constitutional republic, there might be other countries on the planet that are constitutional republics, but I don't know about that, if that's true. Mm-hmm. I'm wondering if it's okay to back way up. Mm-hmm. I'd love to hear, what your sense or definition of inner sovereignty and outer sovereignty is. Yeah, talk a lot on the podcast about sovereignty, but you've been really deep in this work on all these layers for so many years, so I'd love to hear what that means to you. Yeah, that's a great question. What is sovereignty? This is something I contemplate a lot. I think first and foremost, it's a willingness to be radically self-responsible. I think it's a willingness to really claim and own our connection with source and that we are, fractals of the one infinite creator and we are creator beings. That's a powerful place to stand if you can remember it. Yeah. Yeah. So I think sovereignty is a willingness to own your shit and find ways to see the things that you can't yet see about yourself. Um, and I have a really wonderful system that I love. I love systems. I love all the systems. I'm actually studying astrology and human design these days. I love all of them. And this one is, I feel like the mother of them all, and I call it the soul patterns. Hmm. And talk about that. The, the gift of the soul patterns is that they give you a map to look for where you're gonna go out of balance and, the blind spot that you're gonna not see over and over and over again on your life path. So, but the more you choose to look for it, like if you know what your soul patterns are, then you know what to look for. And if you're willing to go, you know, to look for them. Like anytime some, some catalyst occurs, some challenge arises, something happens. It could be a good, you know, a positive thing or a challenging thing. But the challenging things tend to get our attention more. You know, if at every turn, at every conflict, at every kerfuffle, you go, oh, well, if I look for the shadow of that, of my soul patterns, can I find it? And you usually can. The more you do that, the easier it gets to see what we haven't been able to see before. And both. Practically and also emotionally, you know, it can be kind of uncomfortable to see the parts of ourselves that we haven't seen or the ways that we trip ourselves up or act out of alignment with who we think we are. Mm-hmm. Right. So I think shadow work is a really important aspect of sovereignty. and then yeah, really clearing whatever is in the way of standing in the knowingness of, of being an aspect of the one, of being in connection with source. And I think there's a lot of conditioning, keeping people away from that in our culture. So for some folks it takes some doing, you know, to undo that conditioning and really get in touch with the truth of who we are as creator beings. So those are some pretty significant aspects. And then man, and then taking this step into outer sovereignty is like, you know, there are all of these ways that we've outsourced our power and responsibility, and that includes you know, being a registered voter and voting in elections that are, from my perspective, like totally rigged and, I mean the whole system is just gamed to the max. And then, you know, even having an LLC and filing the paperwork for that and paying the fees for that every year. And then reporting and reporting, on income to the IRS and like all of that is, and just by the way, income is. An IRS word, income is a word of the public commercial jurisdiction. On the land, you know, lawfully you could re receive compensation for services given or goods delivered. And so there's a whole language element to stepping into this world of outer sovereignty. It's like spelling the, the spells that words have woven around our consciousness for hundreds of years, bringing us into the conditioning of the commercial jurisdiction. So there's a whole sort of language reorientation that gets to happen. And then a whole reclamation of that outsourcing of power and responsibility. You know, when you're operating as a trustee and a trust is the vehicle through which business happens, or any commercial activity happens. You as the trustee are solely responsible for, making sure that everything is working in alignment with the, the agreement of the trust constitution. And there is no external authority that's gonna make sure you're doing it right or that you have to report to. And you know, the saying with great power comes great responsibility. I really feel like it's kind of the opposite as we choose to take the responsibility, we get more and more power back. So as we, you know, sort of extract ourselves from the commercial system and build new lawful structures to hold and carry our work in the world, or, you know, the arrangements that we make or the, land that we steward, We really are reclaiming, you know, we're removing our life force from that system, which is designed to siphon life force and, returning it, you know, to ourselves, to our families, to our communities, to our endeavors. I'm having this image of, you know, we're on this beautiful planet and then there's this monopoly board of this game that we've been convinced is the world. Um, totally. We really can just step off of the board game and then we're in this amazing planet with our divine rights, living our divine selves and, you know, inner sovereignty to outer sovereignty. To be able to see that you're on the game board. Yeah, right. That takes. Courage. It takes, shadow work, I think for a lot of people to even see that we've been living in this artificial rigged game for all this time. It's a hard pill to swallow. Yeah. I'm getting chills as you're saying all of that, Catherine. Um, yeah. Thanks for illustrating that so beautifully. Yeah. And I love what you said, Natalie, about, you know, more importantly of thinking that great power comes with great responsibility. That great responsibility empowers you. I love thinking it that way. Thank you for, for sharing that with us.'cause. Coincidentally, when I started discovering these concepts that you're describing, thanks to the, the awesome community here in Asheville kind of awakening to these realities. You know, I started really seeing how much I gave my power away and taking responsibility, was something that I think everyone can agree really matures you, right? It helps you be, a dignified, respectable member of society, which, you know, comes with power and there's more, more to it, of course, like when we're, we're not a victim of anything or just giving our power away every turn of the corner. Then, you know, we really. Have a more clear connection with our creator and that bestow is a lot of power as well. But yeah, that year I was describing where I was first tuning into all this. I must have had some kind of astrological configuration because every time I tried to outsource my power to like a healthcare professional or an astrologer or a psychic or the legal system or whatever, it would just get thrown right back in my face and be like, that's not gonna work anymore. You do the work, you do the research. You, tune into your own intuition to find the path that's best for you instead of asking some other professional and that was a really big awakening moment for me. And it was helpful'cause you know, you could go to an extreme with it and think, well, if I don't need anybody, I have to do everything myself. And it's not like that. I wanna just put out that word of caution to our listeners.'cause it can seem like when you take responsibility for your life you could feel this martyr symptom of like, I have to do everything myself. But I believe that we're created by our creator to be in community and to be interdependent with our fellow humans on this planet. And so it's I think finding a way to do that without giving away your authority to someone. So yeah, thanks for saying that. Yeah. Beautiful. Absolutely receiving support is part of the path of claiming sovereignty. Yes. And to Catherine's point, it does take so much courage. It takes so much courage. And you mentioned Miriah, medical stuff or health stuff, that's a huge place where, you know, we've been conditioned to outsource, to doctors in white coats who, you know, so many of us have discovered through experience that we don't actually get the care that we need when we go that route. And, you know, learning how to be your own medicine woman is a whole life study, which I've been in, for sure. and yes to receiving support and having space held and having, new perspectives offered and reflections offered. All of that is very important on this path. So I like to frame the concept of sovereign unity, which is like a frequency that I experience sometimes when I'm in collectives, where people have done enough of this sovereignty work, enough of shadow reclamation, enough of self ownership and self-governance, like dissolving victimhood, and. Taking responsibility for our, not only our choices in this life, but our pre-incarnate choices and the limitations that we've set for ourselves to give ourselves challenges and all of that. This amazing frequency arises and what emerges in sovereign unity is better than you could have dreamed it up or imagined, from the old way. You know, you couldn't have designed a better way for things to unfold than when there are, you know, a group of people or even a pair of people who are in that place of having metabolized like enough shadow to be able to play in the creation spiral. So it's like sovereignty first. Yes. And we can't even do that alone because without the mirrors of each other, we don't have the opportunities to see the pieces that need to be reclaimed. So community, yes. Sovereignty individually. And then that leads into a new octave of relationality and community that I like to call sovereign unity. Mm, that's beautiful. Yeah. I really like how you also said part of inner sovereignty is claiming our own connection to source.'Cause I can imagine you could be in the outer sovereignty movement without feeling connection to source possibly. But there's you know, that fear of leaving the board with all its rules and its systems and could you get in trouble? And, I feel like resting in faith in source and our connection to source, for me, that's been a really important part of it, feeling safety from there rather than safety from what maybe I was enculturated into feel safe from this system. Yeah. The system creates safety. Well, if the system is actually rigged and not in my best interest, well, where do I find safety? In myself, but in myself connected to God to source. Yeah. Yes. In your divinity. And I'll add. In your connection with Gaia, it feels really important to me to continue to direct our attention to the fact that this planet is holding us and everything we need is here. It's an Innately, infinitely abundant planet and you know, it has not been well stewarded and stewardship is something that we get to choose to step into on this path. Especially this path of outer sovereignty because if you start working with trust structures, you don't own anything, actually, it's all being directed towards others. Like the benefit of whatever it is that you're stewarding is being directed towards others. And when we have that as our frame, you know, we make different choices. We make choices that are better for everyone and for the collective. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's beautiful. It really helps kind of break the upside down world phenomenon that currency and, and especially debt backed currency creates. Yeah, I mean I've been tracking, there are a lot of inversions on this planet, a lot of inversions and false structures. And the more we see them like Catherine illustrated with the Monopoly game concept, really just having eyes on it is huge. The more people that can separate themselves enough from it to be like, oh, this is a false construct, that loosens, its hold massively. And then the more of us that actually choose to take the steps to lean into that connection, the divine connection, step into the divine jurisdiction. Lean into the, the vertical axis of God and Gaia deeply rooted on this planet and connected to source. And we become conduits for the awakening. I mean, essentially my cosmology holds it, the more of us connect directly with the planet, the more the planet awakens to its own awareness. And then what is birthed from that is sovereign unity on steroids. It's like collective consciousness, right? I feel like that's where we're headed. But the more of us that take these steps in our and outer, the more powerful the field grows to support that transition and the less of a hole the false structures have and the looser the inversions become in their, you know, attachments and all of that. I feel like it's all sort of like all the bolts have been loosened, you know, and everything's sort of getting rickety and that's kind of scary. Because of potential fallout and it's kind of exciting because of what's on the other side, right? Like shining the light in the shadows. It's really maybe all we need to do is see it. Yeah. It's definitely impactful to just be able to witness and go, oh, that's not real uhhuh. Yeah. And it's interesting how I'm really seeing and feeling that and the gathering of that energy of more and more people seeing what's really real and what's not. And at the same time, you know, AI is getting so big and there's a huge push for digital ID around the world and transhumanism, chips in our brain it's really fascinating and maybe makes perfect sense that these two are rising together. And I don't know if you wanna talk a bit about how. This inner and outer sovereignty and really working in this way is, is protective for us. Or will, I think be of a higher consciousness than this other system and maybe we'll render it obsolete and do time. Yeah. If you wanna speak some about that happening. So we live in a free will universe, and there are laws that govern the territory that this planet is and If you've noticed, everything is voluntary, like the, the vaccine mandates seemed like you have to, but actually. It was all like a mental manipulation to make you think you have to. And you know, some people were threatened with loss of job and all of that, but ultimately those companies are getting sued and those people are getting back pay. Like, no, that's not how it works. So my sense with the digital ID is that it's also, it's a voluntary system and you can opt in or you can opt out and, I see the, the growing bifurcation as very real. You know, there is this like technocratic digital branch sort of emerging as this land-based organic, contracts on paper branch is also growing, in humanity. And so, yeah, I think, the common law route offers very real protections. and if you want to be able to navigate commerce, having a vehicle to be able to do that is a great plan. So create a trust now so you can have a vehicle for navigating commerce and keep yourself, your individual people this out of that system. And then I'll also say, so, you know, I, I hold a lot of perspectives. One is that there's a bifurcation and I'm going Gaia all the way. I'm not interested in the technocracy. No, thank you. I appreciate technology though. So I really appreciate Rudolph Steiner's teachings on ar, Aman and Lucifer. Are y'all fa familiar with that spectrum? So Luciferian is, is like love and light leaving behind the shadow work. Like avoiding reality. Avoiding what needs to spiritual bypassing, thank you. Spiritual bypassing. Right. So Luciferian is spiritual bypassing and hedonism and all of these things that we've probably all engaged in at some point. I know I did when I was younger. Super fun but not sustainable. And then Arman is the super materialistic and technocratic kind of end of the spectrum of what we could call, I guess. The devil right here on planet Earth or Satan. This is the kind of what gets lumped into the devil or Satan. But to his point, like Christed ness, an awakened heart is actually a balance. It's being able to bring the light into the material. It's being able to, you know, be in the material realms and navigate with practicalities and, you know, what science can reveal to us, while also maintaining that connection with the light. It's really coming into a balance. So, I mean, I see hope, you know, I see hope for that balance. As more and more people do. See the false structures do, undo the inversions in their system, decondition the conditioning, integrate their shadows and ultimately, open the poor channel to the point, you know, integrate the lower triad to the point that the heart can actually open in a healthy and sustainable way. And I feel like that's happening rapidly. You know, the, the pace on that is picking up like it never has on the planet. it is wild times. And I don't claim to know what's gonna happen, but I know where I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be feet on the earth, firmly rooted, transmuting fear and opening my heart as much as I can in any moment. That's my plan. Mm-hmm. That's my plan. I hope to be there with you. I hope my personal practices, Yeah, help us find each other there. I remember, I did dabble a little bit in the Sovereigns Way movement with, Greg Paul and was it John Little? And, they also kind of take the inner sovereignty, outer sovereignty approach. And Greg Paul is kind of the spokesperson for the inner sovereignty and he's very much, teaching that you cannot be truly sovereign until you absolve all fear from your system. Until you face every single fear and realize it for the illusion that it is, then you can't truly stand in your sovereignty and face the, the illusions of the authority that has claimed to have power over you. And, that always really resonated with me. Yeah, that resonates with me too. I mean, my nosis, my direct nosis reveals that there are two fundamental forces in the universe, and one is fear, and one is love. And if you know love is more active, then the fear recedes. And if fear is more active than love recedes, the heart closes. And, I think the current, false structures are really, really good at manipulating fear, amplifying fear and controlling people through fear. And the most courageous thing we can do is to, gently, approach those places within ourselves and apply the antidote, which is love. Yeah. And work our way towards the place where our hearts can stay open in the face of what looks terrifying. Yeah, I'm gonna have a little nerdy moment right here because, I'm an eighties kid and I grew up with the Labyrinth and I really didn't appreciate how powerful that, ending scene is between, the girl and the goblin King David Bowie. And when he says, you know, all you have to do is fear me, and you can have anything you want. And she looks at him and just kind of has this, like, this realization look on her face, this awakening moment and just looks at him and says. You have no power over me. And then the whole labyrinth world just starts crumbling around her and she's teleported back home. And I'm just like, oh my gosh, thank you Jim Henson. Like, that's the secret to our inverted world, you know? Yeah. Beautiful. I love that. Well, I'm thinking about my own journey into sovereignty, and especially as it relates to the system or this, you know, monopoly board. And for me it was like, I live in a just and good world. I think part of what led me to be a therapist, right, was there are no. Evil forces, it's just hurt people that need healing or, like very rose colored glasses, maybe a lot of spiritual bypassing that Luciferian energy maybe. And then there was the wake up to, oh, this system does not care about me. It is not a fair and just system. And the fear that arose from there, and I went through the sovereign way work as well, confronting that fear within myself of all the ways I had just felt safe by diluting myself about the system. And, and we could say that with so many pieces, right? The medical system or, the legal system. The whole board is not set up for us. It's not set up for us to be empowered and know ourselves as divine beings connected to the earth. Yeah, it, such a spiritual journey and why I think something like the assembly sounds so beautiful to build community around people doing this work where, you're not feeling alone in it, as you step out into this whole new world of realizing incredible creative power. There's a lot of soul searching in there and confronting, well, if the system isn't just, then it could really hurt me. Or it's, you know, certainly doesn't have my best interest in mind. Yeah, I mean, all of the systems, I mean, even as you were sharing that, I thought of also the education system and how scary it can be for moms and dads who are choosing not to put their kids in public education. And I have a dear friend who's unschool all of her kids, and she has these moments of like, oh my God, am I fucking them up? But they're amazing, you know, and they know how to learn and they know how to follow their own impulses and do what inspires them. They haven't had that conditioned out of them. So all of these systems, and the conditioning that goes into having them be in place, all of that is up for review from my perspective. I've thought about that a lot with my daughter's nine and how to try to not, have her conditioned in all of those ways. I mean, there's some ways I'm sure she already is. Right? And how to not let that conditioning get so implanted or so tight Like what to start exposing her to at her developmental level to help her see the world for what it is, but also feel loved and safe in it. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And like you said, it is a spiritual journey and, you know, ultimately everyone here is having, from my perspective, having a, a spiritual journey and a body, including your daughter, you know, and she's gonna get some conditioning and she's gonna get some really good. You know, mothering and some really great experiences and some challenge. I mean, Earth School is like, come here, get wounded, figure out how to heal it. That's like the whole program. I don't think anybody escapes. Right. Yeah. And you know, if we can just hold all of that with a little bit of grace and gentleness and even a little bit of humor, And faith that it's all for our soul's evolution, faith, that it's all for our soul's evolution. Yes. And we are such amazing creative beings. I know there's gonna be homeschooling curriculums coming out all about sovereignty. Right. That's gonna happen. Yeah. That needs to happen. Somebody's working on it right now. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Natalie, I'm curious if, you could describe, if you were starting from scratch, just becoming aware of this word sovereignty and the, the illusions and truths about our government, what can you describe just for our listeners, what steps you would take, what books you would read, or. People you would follow online or courses you would take, or meditations you would practice or anything that you would do to be well, well rooted on this path or firmly planted on this path. Yeah. And you're welcome to share your courses that you would take. Thanks. Good questions. So I just teamed up with Sacred Honor Educational Fellowship and I am their trust liaison. So people who will go through their trust course, if they want one-on-one time, they'll get it with me. I did have a trust course available through my mystery school, but it's not anymore because I'm teaming up with Sacred Honor Educational Fellowship. So I, I would, offer their courses and I actually found out about them through their equity passage. And equity is the body of law that governs nons statutory trusts. And Nons statutory trusts is the territory that I was living and working and teaching in. And, am. So I took their equity passage course, which is amazing, and through that, got invited to come work with them. So that feels really good. And they're amazing. I was teaching trusts, private membership associations and churches separately, which you can have only one or two or all three. And they teach all three together. They call it the trifecta. And so I'll be stewarding students through that process. And they also have, I haven't taken these courses yet, I will, but they have the State national Passport course and a land patent course, which is how to free up the title of land that you own and get it. Because when the title is registered, it's really like you're giving ownership back to the state and then renting it from them for taxes. So there's a way to undo that contract and really reclaim the land and then be able to put it into a trust. So for courses, I'll recommend Sacred Honor Educational Fellowship for sure. And then. I have a package of audio transmissions, energy transmissions, the trust transmissions and that addresses some of the energetic pieces, reclaiming and, um, establishing connection with higher self. And you know, some of these things we've been talking about just getting aligned and lined up. So I would recommend that. And then honestly, I don't have really books to recommend or people to follow online.'cause I don't, I don't actually, follow a bunch of people online who are talking about this stuff. Most of my education has happened in person, in living rooms and or just through relationship. And through applying principles, and being in constant inquiry about what is sovereignty? Where can I take responsibility? And where actually can I hand back what's not mine? Because I think, you know, people who are drawn to do the inner work tend to kind of overdo it and there's a tendency to be over responsible, but it's a real solid sovereign move to be like, that is not mine. When you have the ability to claim your shit, it really frees you up to not take on what's not yours.'cause you know, you're responsible, you can do it, you can own your shit. Right. And there's a line that it's unhealthy to cross over, you know, so we, we wanna really balance self responsibility with over responsibility. Yeah. Can you give an example of that? Like when maybe personally or someone you worked with was taking on something they weren't actually responsible for? Well, I've done it a lot. So in the Soul pattern work that I do, which I'll share a link to a soul pattern audio for people who are interested in that. It's just like an intro to the, to the different patterns. I love that work so much. So I'm, shapeshifter is the name of my primary pattern. And, shapeshifter and the chief pattern both share kind of an abandonment or lack of nurturance wound and that can have us overperform for others, energetically and emotionally overperform for others. So, As a shapeshifter, the tendency is to merge and think that what someone else is experiencing is actually mine. It's like, being an empath, but worse or more, or be like bigger. So my path of learning my pattern and unwinding has looked like a lot of getting into an entanglement or a situation. Confusion is a really good sign that something is muddled right? Like I feel confused about what's happening. That means, okay, I can look at what's mind, own here and be really, you know, forthright and clear about that just within myself. I mean, maybe I'm dialoguing with someone about it. I like it when I can be in relationships with people who are up for this level of style of relating and, disentangling. But often it's just a conversation I'm having within myself, you know, of like, okay, where did I cross my own boundaries? Where did I, make an assumption or, you know, I just like pull back all the pieces where I might've acted, out of perfect alignment and integrity. And then really look at like, oh, but then this other piece that wasn't something that I did, that was something that they did. And the soul patterns are super helpful for me because it makes it so much easier to identify what those pieces are. So it's like a subtle, energetic detangling in my experience as a shapeshifter. Right. I think, you know, it also can look like coming to terms with. Someone else's limitations or personality disorders and that type of thing. You know, when we're on the path of personal development and self-development and we're using all of the catalysts as fodder for our nosis or, you know, process of integration, we have to be careful not to, and also for therapists and healers and coaches to not you know, the term that I've heard for years is karma thieving. Like people have their own work to do. We can't do it for them. So, I like to say compassion is empathy with boundaries. Right. So empathy and especially for a shapeshifter can look like overly merging and that gets murky and then it's like, oh, I'm so sorry. You know, that's terrible. But when we can clarify those boundaries and really be in our heart and witness someone else's experience, that actually frees them up to process what's theirs to process. So I like to, cultivate that compassion, and try to limit my, merging because I'm really good at that. And to bring myself into balance, I try to limit it. I resonate with all of that too. Feels quite familiar to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The helpers, you know, the helpers wanna help and, boundaries are key. Mm-hmm. It's actually more helpful to hold a solid container and let someone else unwind their own process rather than getting entangled in it. Even though that's kind of our, you know, default, which is also a mechanism that we develop early on to, you know, stay safe and sane. So there's gift in it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think it was Carl Young who said something like, for the therapist to wish away the client's suffering is actually causing harm to the client. Because first of all, you kind of leave empathy in that point. It's informed by empathy, but it gets into codependence, like, I need you to be okay for me to be okay. Yeah. And it doesn't honor the client's soul process of that they came here to have this suffering. And so I've, that's been. A really important part of my personal growth as a therapist to just, you know, honor that for my clients. Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful. Hmm. Well, I thought of one other thing I could offer, which is the resources page on my website. And there are a bunch of sovereignty resources there. They are not flashy, they are not quick. They require, focused attention. There are plenty of people who are teaching sovereignty in 22nd snippets on Instagram, but I'm not tracking them because I'm going to the source, which is some of these documents that are, listed on the resources page of my website, which we'll make sure you have the link for that. Thank you. Yeah, it feels like it behooves us to, go slow because there is the inner work to do alongside the outer work. And if we go too fast in the outer sovereignty pieces without doing that inner work, I don't know that that's will then bear the fruit we're looking for. Yeah. And I can share just from teaching trust for the last couple of years that, doing the paperwork when you haven't done the inner work is real challenging. I knew about trusts for about a year and a half before I created one. I knew I needed to create one. I knew I needed to do it and I wasn't ready. But when I was ready a year and a half later, it was go time and I just knocked it out. But it's interesting'cause you can kind of go either direction. You can start with inner or outer, and if you start with the outer and you're, you know, on a growth path, you will notice that you're not able to take certain steps until certain things are integrated. Mm-hmm. So I recommend, weaving the two for sure, and allowing the process of establishing a trust to be a catalyst for growth. It certainly initiated a medicine journey for me doing the paperwork. It was very powerful and I share about some of that, in the transmissions that I offer, the activations of trust. Very cool. Well, Natalie, thank you so much for being here. Is there anything else you wanted to share today that we haven't asked you about, or. You're thinking of right now? Yeah, just that this, teaming up with Sacred Honor Educational Fellowship feels really good to me in a number of ways. I feel glad to be on a team doing this work and to be learning from people who've been doing it for longer than I have and to contribute to that movement. And that's freeing up my energy for other things to come through the mystery school. So, I'm gonna be turning my attention towards offers for the inner work and, excited to work with individuals and couples and, we'll be holding community building immersion retreats eventually. So. That is something to keep an eye on. If you want to jump into my world and get on my email list and be kept in the loop about what's upcoming, then I would love to have your people join me there. That feels really exciting. So glad you have some more time and attention to put there. Yeah, same. Yeah, it's been really great to hear about your journey and your offerings, Natalie. I just really feel aligned and resonant with what you're doing, and I'm so grateful that you're doing it, that the world needs, this awareness that you're bringing. Yeah, and thanks y'all for having a Sovereign Heart podcast. It's all so much needed. Yeah, our pleasure. All right, we'll put all of Natalie's links and resources in the show notes and thank you everyone for being here. We'll see you next time. 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