The Nuclear Family Model Is Broken—Here's Why

Most men think being a good husband and dad is enough—but what if that vision of family is too small?

In this conversation with Jeremy Pryor, we unpack a radically different way to think about family leadership—not as a short-term responsibility, but as a multi-generational mission. This episode will challenge how you see your role as a man and what you’re actually building with your life. 💪

If you’ve ever felt like there has to be more to family than just “raising kids and letting them go,” this will open your eyes to a bigger vision—and give you practical ways to start moving toward it:

- Why the modern “nuclear family” is incomplete
- The difference between a family and a family team
- How identity is shaped by family, not just individuality
- Why multi-generational vision creates purpose for men
- Simple practices that can transform your family starting now
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Episode 074: Family Leadership w/ Jeremy Pryor
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
01:00 Meet Jeremy Pryor
03:00 Why family felt broken growing up
06:00 The “dad brigade” moment in Jerusalem
09:00 Abraham and the vision of family in Scripture
12:00 Individual identity vs family identity
15:00 The problem with the nuclear family model
18:00 What a “family team” actually is
21:00 Why men feel disconnected from family
24:00 The power of multi-generational thinking
27:00 Simple practices that build family culture
30:00 Casting vision as a father
33:00 Marriage as a romantic partnership and mission
36:00 Leading your wife and family well
39:00 What if you feel behind or it’s “too late”?
43:00 Staying connected with adult children
46:00 Building legacy starting now
48:00 Resources and where to start

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Transcript

Don Ross 0:01

All right guys. Welcome back here to the Manhood Tribe Show. I'm really glad to have you with us today. My name's Don. I'm your host, and today we are continuing in a series where we're talking about men and leadership. And in particular, uh, if you've been listening for the past few episodes, that you know that we're trying to cover different aspects of what it means to be a man and to be a leader, uh, in, in kind of different ways. And so I'm really excited.

Jeremy Pryor 0:26

excited

Don Ross 0:27

today's episode, we are talking to Jeremy Pryor who's gonna help us get a little bit of insight in what it means to be a leader in our families. Jeremy is the co-founder of Family Teams where he helps dads build profitable businesses, life-giving family rhythms and lasting legacies. He's an author, a podcast host, and through his nonprofit work is involved in discipleship, household mission, and church planting. Jeremy, it's really good to have you here on the show, man. Glad to have you here.

Jeremy Pryor 0:55

Don. Glad to be here.

Don Ross 0:56

Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So, uh, I wanna talk a little bit just about family teams and the work that you do there in terms of just helping guys understand what family teams is all about. But, uh, to do that, I know just, uh, kind of hearing a little bit about your story. Uh, you spent some time in your twenties in Jerusalem and there was kind of a shift that sort of took place for you there that I think you would say kind of impacted the work that you do now. So tell us a little bit about that as a way of. Helping us understand a little bit about what family teams is.

Jeremy Pryor 1:26

Yeah, I would say that like probably a lot of people listening to this, I, I, as I was in kind of a single young man, 23 years old, I grew up in the Seattle area. I found it very difficult to find a compelling reason to start a family and I, I was a Christian, grew up in a Christian family. Um, but I was working with, uh, I was a youth doing youth ministry with mostly public school kids, and it just was like, family was this graveyard of destruction. I mean, it was just like everything I was dealing with, with these kids was just so much brokenness because of their families of origin. I was watching, you know, that happened to so many of my friends when I was growing up. And just they were opting out of family fatherhood, you know, motherhood, um, in large numbers. Seattle became the first city in the country with more dogs than children, and I was like, I get it.

Don Ross 2:10

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 2:10

Yeah, like, uh, this isn't working. And so I didn't know what to do. I didn't, you know, I was too young to really piece together like a, like a good response to that. I just was, I just felt a lot of confusion. And

Don Ross 2:22

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 2:22

um, from there I was doing a semester abroad in Jerusalem, mostly to study Hebrew. I've always been super into the Old Testament trying to understand, you know, why it's in the Bible, what it means. It's just fascinates me. Um, so I was there learning Hebrew and I just kept seeing this scene of. with children, particularly in the Orthodox Jewish community. Um,

Don Ross 2:42

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 2:42

also, um, amongst a lot of the Palestinian Arabs that I was spending time with. And they would talk about their lives oftentimes from the lens of like fatherhood in a way I just wasn't super familiar with. And one day I was watching, um, I was just sitting on a, on a bench by the old city of Jerusalem and I watched this group of, uh, dads walk past with, um, pushing strollers and all these little kids in tow. And I just was like, I remember just watching them and I was like, that's so weird. I've never seen anything like that before. Like, I've seen mommy brigades before, you know, but I've

Don Ross 3:13

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 3:14

brigade. Uh, and so I was just like, what, what's going on there? Like, why, why do they love family so much? So I started to ask a lot of questions, um, because again, this was an area for me. I was just, I was just really confused about it. That's not why I was in Israel, but. Um, I wanted to understand why there was such a passion, uh, with men and, and fatherhood and, and children raising kids and, and being a part of this, these families. So I started to ask questions and I kept getting the same response back, which was, uh, we're just trying to be like Abraham. And so the word Abraham just kept coming up over and over again, and as I began to really, like, understand what, what is it that they're, they, they, they're finding such incredible inspiration. From this story in the book of Genesis about this father, and part of it's in Hebrew, it kind of is lost on a lot of, uh, those of us who don't study Hebrew. But you hear the word father all the time when you hear the word His original name means exalted. Father. A Abraham means the father of many nations. And so. There, there's sort of a symbology within the Hebrew mind that Abraham is the sort of archetype for how God interacts with this essence of fatherhood,

Don Ross 4:22

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 4:23

just like a historical character, the way that I was thinking about him. Um, and so when they are reading and studying the narratives about Abraham, Abraham just, you know, famously obsessed. Building a multi-generational family. He's like praying, God, make my family like the stars. You know, make them like the, you know, and God promises I'm gonna make your family like the, like the sand on the sea and, you know, uh, the seashore. Anyway, so this was a passion for Abraham. He's constantly praying about his family, God's blessing him through giving him his son, and of course all the interaction that happens, uh, with all three of the patriarchs. And so I, I began to really read that through that lens. And I began to ask a really, of an unusual question. And that is, it possible that. The design of family is still, to build a multi-generational family line. Our, our, our family is just these nuclear families that sort of like come in and out of existence. Um, because I didn't really know much about my history or like, you know, my great-great-grandparents or anything like that. Um, but part of what I noticed when I was in Israel. both the Jewish and Arab communities had extremely, uh, sensitive and, and interest in their, their historic lineage. And of course you have in the Bible, all these genealogies. Um, and so this seemed to be something really important to God. It was really important to, to Jewish people. Um, it tended to create this enormous passion within these fathers. So I, I kind of put that lens on, you know, my eyes. Like what would, what would happen? I, I also met my wife in Jerusalem, which was amazing. And you know, so we got married,

Don Ross 5:49

Nice. Good timing. Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 5:50

awesome timing. Just like three months after, three or four months after we came back, we were married. And so I, I just started to put this lens on, okay, what, what if I, what if I saw family the way these, uh, the way Abraham saw family, the way that these Jewish and, and Arab fa fathers see family? And it was weird, um, Don because it was sort of like. My interest in children went from like a two to a 10 like that, and

Don Ross 6:16

Huh?

Jeremy Pryor 6:16

what just happened to me? It's like I could relate to what that, that daddy brigade like

Don Ross 6:23

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 6:24

I suddenly had I, I went from that. That's really weird and I hope that never is me to, I would like, I can't imagine anything more meaningful in my life than to see my children and my children's children. Um, and so having gone through that incredible transformation in my own heart. I started looking at my own Christian community and I, and I just realized, like we were all telling dads like, do your duty, focus on the family. The idea is, you know, the problem with family is we're just, you know, we just aren't focusing enough on the family. And I, one of the things I, I realized as I was looking at these Jewish and Arab fathers is nobody was, had to tell them to focus on the family, do your duty. There was something inside of them that actually made them the idea of how they were pursuing family or what they thought family was, what they thought fatherhood was. Gave them more passion for family than anyone I'd ever seen in my own, like, experience in the Christian community. And it was coming from, you know, in the, in the Jewish case coming from, you know, passages, stories, and verses in the same bible that we study. But for some reason we don't find any inspiration our understanding of what family is. From the same passages that the Jewish people find, uh, inspiration from these Jewish fathers. And so that became a very long journey over the last 30 years of me trying to say, Hey, I think we need to restore this to the Christian community. And that's what we've been trying to do ever since.

Don Ross 7:47

Interesting. Uh, super fascinating man, and, uh, I got lots of questions I want to ask just based on all of that, but, uh, I would love to know kind of then as you, you know, even as you kind of like reentered, you know, American society kind of coming back from that. Like what did you see about the kind of the western like nuclear family model and, you know, what was.

Jeremy Pryor 8:10

like,

Don Ross 8:10

What's not working about that and our family model and you know, what was, we put so much emphasis on that nuclear family model, much of that.

Jeremy Pryor 8:19

do of especially, uh, so much of

Don Ross 8:26

Conversation is about being a good husband and being a good dad. Right. And, and that's really, like, that's a lot of times what it gets boiled down to. I think that's kind of a truncated vision, both of masculinity and what it means to be a biblical man. But that tends to be where we put our focus. So like, help me out here. Like why is that, why is that not what the Bible is saying about family, about masculinity? Like what else is there to it?

Jeremy Pryor 8:48

Yeah. that's a really good, I'd love to interact with you, Don, on that. 'cause I, I, I'm similarly curious about the connection between the biblical idea of fatherhood and the biblical idea of masculinity. It's a

Don Ross 8:59

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 8:59

question I've, I've been wrestling with as well. But yeah, I, I would say that what I noticed is that there's really a, a very different kind of way that, uh, like in, in the Middle East or what I read in scripture. The way that they saw their identity was, was quite different. So

Don Ross 9:15

Okay.

Jeremy Pryor 9:16

you were raised in a family and I, I wrote this little like, kind of interview between like a 12-year-old modern, uh, boy and a 12-year-old first century Jewish boy, just trying to tease out like how different they would see the world. And this 12-year-old Jewish boy, he would see, oh, I'm, I'm a part of this, this family lineage and. And, uh, every Shabbat my grandfather tells us stories about our clan and my heroes go all the way back to, you know, 300 years ago when we did this battle with the Greeks. And, you know, all the on and on and on. Like, you, you're a part of this, this lineage and that you see yourself as receiving almost like, um, a baton from your grandfather to your father, to you given to your son, to your grandson. And so you're part of this, this, this, this lengthy lineage and it causes you. To begin to think about your identity very differently. So like in our, in, in the western world, we're attempting to experiment. Um, and that is what would happen if you raise people with just an individual identity. Like, let's not give them the family identity, let's give them the, the, uh,

Don Ross 10:13

Right?

Jeremy Pryor 10:14

of

Don Ross 10:14

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 10:15

your own identity

Don Ross 10:16

Yeah. You do. You boo.

Jeremy Pryor 10:17

Yeah. Yeah. Whatever that looks like. And so we're trying to see how that works out and, and I think that part of what we have discovered. Is one of the really difficult things I think we've discovered recently is that people really have a hard time adopting an individual identity without being given to them. So they go to

Don Ross 10:33

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 10:34

they interact with their peers, and this family that thinks they're doing their kid a favor by saying, Hey, like you do, you, you figure out who you are, you find yourself. Um, what happens is they start to get labels put on them, you know, in school, or they'll start to look for a label or an identity. And if they can't find one, then they will begin to be incredibly susceptible to. Whatever is the kind of cool, latest, interesting identity that's floating around, um, kind of in, in, in the culture. And,

Don Ross 11:00

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 11:00

um, is this really a gift? Like, like this seems like a profound misunderstanding of the nature of identity and so what I, what I was, you know, when we came back from Israel, one of the things that happened to us was we, um, I, I started, you know, continuing to sort of study this, this, uh, sort of identity formation that was happening in the Jewish community. And my wife and I went to a synagogue in Tacoma, Washington. Um, you know, just kind of sat in the back, you know, I'd never been to a synagogue and where I was from before, there's about 300 people there and there was about a three hour synagogue service the entire thing was built around one boy like that was having his bar mitzvah. And I was just, I was just like stunned. I was

Don Ross 11:39

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 11:39

what is going on here? Like, his uncle had flown in his, like all the male descendants from their family was, had arrived. They, the, the rabbi, he had spent like a year studying, you know, with the rabbi to do all these readings. focused on this 13-year-old kid. And you know, I, you know, I, I've been a part of these mega churches where somebody comes to faith and it's sort of, sort of like assembly line, baptism, just, you know, like

Don Ross 12:01

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 12:01

you know, it's just like we're, we're like our idea of like, here, you know, you're, you're one of us. Good. Congratulations. Like

Don Ross 12:06

Right. Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 12:06

identity formation. And here I'm watching like this entire congregation, uh, of 300 people center their, you know, three hours of their attention on one. 13-year-old boy, I'm like, what's going on here? Like, what, why, why have we done this? So I would say that there's something, something within the Christian community where we have adopted a, a hyper individualistic, hyper western, uh, vision of identity. And it makes us very susceptible to a lot of the ideologies that kind of move through culture. And I think that we seem, and one of those ideologies, I think is the modern Western nuclear family. This idea is very recent. Um, and, you know, we used to live in these multi-generational family tribes,

Don Ross 12:49

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 12:49

we're like, we're, we, we're like, if we can live as a nuclear family, which I think nuclear families are, you know, way better than, um, no family,

Don Ross 12:58

Right.

Jeremy Pryor 12:58

but they're not better than multi-generational families.

Don Ross 13:02

Sure.

Jeremy Pryor 13:02

it's not, we're not having this conversation at all. We're not talking about, okay, how do we make sure that we start to restore or live inside of these larger family tribes? What we're doing is we're trying desperately to hold onto these fragments of families called the nuclear family. Um, and you know, one, one of the shocking things that I learned recently was that the United States is now the number one country in the world, uh, for single parent families. Like the

Don Ross 13:25

Hmm.

Jeremy Pryor 13:26

Sweden was number one. We kind of go back and forth between Sweden and the United States, but what that means is whatever is happening to the family, like the, whatever ideas are most destructive the nature of the family. Those of us who live in the United States, we are at ground zero

Don Ross 13:42

Yeah. Hmm. Wow.

Jeremy Pryor 13:43

to be extremely humble about how we approach this topic because we, we do not, we app apparently don't know what we're talking about.

Don Ross 13:51

Sure. Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 13:52

it's really important to kind of go, go back to things like scripture that are timeless and go to cultures. You know, in, in India, for example, the divorce rate in India is 1.5%. I, I

Don Ross 14:02

Wow,

Jeremy Pryor 14:03

imagine that when I, when I, when I found that

Don Ross 14:04

gosh.

Jeremy Pryor 14:05

They have a classical vision to family. It doesn't mean families are amazing in India, but I think that one of the things that Western and particularly Americans think is that there's something fundamentally broken about the nature of marriage and about the family. And instead of saying there's something fundamentally broken about the way, the way we think about marriage and the family, we just assume we have the right idea of marriage and

Don Ross 14:24

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 14:25

and that therefore there's something fundamentally wrong with the way God designed these things called marriage and family. No, these are incredibly well designed. We have adopted all kinds of, um, sort of strange ideas that, that are corrupting the design of that, of the

Don Ross 14:38

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 14:39

Yeah,

Don Ross 14:40

Uh, man, I, I love that there's, uh, there's so much there that I think, uh, encourages me, uh, gives me hope, um, and makes me think, right? I mean, it's a, a bit of a head scratcher in some places just because, you know, it's kinda like you're saying, uh, and I think this is probably true, everybody in every culture everywhere, right? We tend to just assume that our way of understanding things is. The correct way of understanding things. Right. That's, that's the,

Jeremy Pryor 15:04

the,

Don Ross 15:04

that's the fish tank that we grew up in. And it's hard to know that there might be other fish tanks that could be done better than ours.

Jeremy Pryor 15:09

Yeah.

Don Ross 15:09

you know, our understandings of marriage and family, um, you know, just because they don't work perfectly doesn't mean that we should throw the baby out with the bath water. It might just mean that we need to figure out better ways that they could work. And so this is, uh, this is super helpful to begin to think about, okay, maybe there are some, some different ways to approach these things and, you know, our, like you're saying, our.

Jeremy Pryor 15:29

our.

Don Ross 15:30

Our past several decades of focusing on the family, you know, so to speak, haven't helped, right? They haven't helped change the culture. They, uh, they really haven't even helped change the Christian culture all that much for improving things when it comes to marriage and family. And so, uh, yeah, there, I, I do think you're right. There's some things that need reevaluating there, so.

Jeremy Pryor 15:47

so, okay.

Don Ross 15:48

In light of that, then like, uh, you've taken all this and really kind of developed something called family teams. So, uh, unpack for us a little bit what, what is a family team and you know, like, how's that different than what we think of as a family? You know, how do you, how do you start moving your family towards being a family team?

Jeremy Pryor 16:05

Yeah, these are very different. There's very different ideas around what family is. And, and this is something that was surprising to me to discover because we all think we know what family is obvious. Just, you know,

Don Ross 16:17

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 16:18

mother, you know, son, daughter, whatever. Um, but we, we have an idea of family that is extremely individual and it, it really. It's best typified by the analogy that most easily springs to mind for western people around the family, which is the nest, right?

Don Ross 16:33

Uh huh.

Jeremy Pryor 16:34

is the way we think. 'cause what is a nest? And we have birds every year that make a nest on our front porch. And every year, you know, the chicks fly away and it, it's always a brand new family that comes in. To, you know, replace them,

Don Ross 16:46

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 16:46

next spring. And so this, this, this is what we think family is. We think family is a springboard for individual success. So if you had talked to a lot of moms and dads, Christian moms and dads and talk about it from that perspective, they'll be like, yeah, that, that's our goal. In fact, I was talking to a leader of a Christian ministry once and I said, Hey, look, there's. Two very different views of family. One is that, you know, the goal of family is to really raise your children to be, you know, really strong individuals and to launch them out as well as you

Don Ross 17:11

Right. Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 17:11

Jeremy. Exactly. A hundred percent. Our entire ministry is designed to, to, to help families be like

Don Ross 17:17

Yeah. Push them out of the nest at some point. Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 17:19

And I'm like that. But that's, you have to understand, that's just one view of family,

Don Ross 17:22

Right.

Jeremy Pryor 17:22

that, that would've been completely alien to Abraham. Like he would be like, what? Like what? And, and so, um. So it doesn't mean that he had the right idea, family, but that he has a very different idea, family. So the

Don Ross 17:35

Sure. Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 17:35

family, like in India or these other cultures, and most times in history, they really saw family as something very, very different. A, a family begins when a patriarch casts a vision. And over time as the family, as the generations continue to. uh, attempt to achieve that vision. If that vision is achieved, you have what's we call a legacy, and then that's when you actually look back and say, oh, there's a patriarch in this family. There's like a patriarch, matriarch generation that somehow spawned a vision that led this family in this way. I, I've met multiple families that are this type, right? I, I, a friend of mine was telling, telling me I have a friend who's got a family like you're describing. I called him. Um, and he's a, a South Korean gentleman and he explained to me that his, his, uh, his family has about a thousand year history. He said that his name actually means the 30th, which means the 30th generation,

Don Ross 18:26

Wow.

Jeremy Pryor 18:27

name, and Korean means the 31st. He said that every male descendant in their family has to memorize the names of all 30 of their ancestors, that they go back every year to their family's land in South Korea. Where a general, you know, won, uh, a very, uh, major battle for the king, and that's how they got that land on and on and on. So

Don Ross 18:46

Yeah. Amazing.

Jeremy Pryor 18:47

of a certain kind of family. Like every father, every man listening to this, you can choose. Right now, which one of those families you want to build? Do you want to build a nest? Go for it. It's a free country. Um, uh, do you want to build a multi-generational family team? And I think the easiest way that, to think about the contrast between the nest version of family and what I'm, what the Bible describes is the word team. I think in, in our modern language, that's the best word to understand how Abraham would've saw his family. He, he was, he's building a multi-generational team on mission. That's a very different kind of family and you can choose to build that kind of family. I would say that one, one element, uh, of that, of the contrast is the nest idea. Family, I think is a very maternal idea of family. And I think this is one of the reasons why men in particular feel, uh, a little bit of, uh, dissonance from

Don Ross 19:36

Yeah, sure. Uhhuh.

Jeremy Pryor 19:37

of family building. They're like,

Don Ross 19:38

Yeah,

Jeremy Pryor 19:38

I don't really want to build a nest. I don't really wanna nurture the chickies. No, I

Don Ross 19:41

right.

Jeremy Pryor 19:42

I've,

Don Ross 19:42

feel like family is kind of a feminine domain.

Jeremy Pryor 19:45

Yeah.

Don Ross 19:45

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Pryor 19:46

nurturing domain and

Don Ross 19:47

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 19:47

amongst millennials like that watch, you know, shows like Bluey or whatever, when you, when we try to idealize what the best kind of father is today, he's actually mostly a nurturing man. Yeah,

Don Ross 19:59

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 19:59

don't see him being like this visionary leader who's constructing this, this, this legacy that is gonna go forward for hundreds of, of years or many generations. Um, we see this guy who's just really good at playing with his kids, really present. Um, and so those are all great things. I think it's really important to nurture your kids, but it's really important to understand that th this is not the way that ideal fatherhood was, was envisioned in, in scripture or in history. There was something else that you needed, but beyond just, you know, the, the typical Ps, the protection, the provision, the procreation. You had to become a visionary leader and, and you had to take your family somewhere. And so you know that you're a patriarch if you, if if in four or five, 10 generations from now, um, you have a multi-generational family that's been really living out that vision and they can look back and say, there's a moment where they say, we're gonna worship this God, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna pursue the kingdom of God, we're gonna make disciples like that might be like a Christian vision. itself deeply in a family. We're gonna move to this new land. We're gonna start this business. Like there's some kind of legacy. You know, we're gonna, we're there is, we're going to acquire this land and it's gonna become the root structure of our, of our, of our family. Now, people listening to this, there's a part of you that. if you're Western is starting to revolt against that, you're like, well, that, what about the individual, like children and grandchildren? What, like, do they have to do that? Like, again, we, we, we have done this strange thing that is, we assume that, uh, freedom is the highest value. It's more important than family, more important than the legacy. More important than loyalty, more important than love, freedom is, has to be preserved at absolutely all costs. And we can talk about sociologically, why that happened to our country, but that those that is so deep in the intuition of Western people

Don Ross 21:44

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 21:45

we will sacrifice. Absolutely. Anything else good if we feel like it might get in the way of somebody's individual freedom to make any kind of completely unencumbered choice.

Don Ross 21:55

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 21:55

their own consent to do anything that they want to do. So that's a sort of philosophical, sociological problem that people in our culture have with building these kind of multi-generational families.

Don Ross 22:04

Yeah, I, I hear that and I, I feel the, the tension of that too, just, you know, coming from our culture, you know, it's kind of like, I really like the idea of family becomes the. Kind of the context in which we find our identity, right? We come to understand who we are through the context of family, but inevitably, you know, like I know our, our, our culture pushes back on that idea of kind of like, okay, if that's the sandbox that I have to play in, like somebody's gonna wanna push against the boundaries of that sandbox, right? First.

Jeremy Pryor 22:35

for

Don Ross 22:35

in the family, that sandbox is not gonna be big enough. And so like our solution has been to just tear down the walls of the sandbox altogether. And, you know, we've left our kids swimming in an ocean of sand with no context to be able to come up with an identity. And that's overwhelming. You know, like they're just drowning and, uh, so that's not helpful either. But, uh, you know,

Jeremy Pryor 22:56

I,

Don Ross 22:57

again, so many questions, but I think what I, I think where I wanna go from here is to, to just kind of ask like, okay, I hear what you're describing. And I think I think about my own story. Okay. I, um, uh, I'm a guy who comes from a, a family line where, uh, the, the men have been absent for a number of reasons. So other than my dad who, uh, was largely present for our family, um, I didn't know either of my grandfathers, both of them passed away before I was born. Um, my grandfather on my dad's side passed away before he was born. Um, so there's, there's this like long line of. Uh, either absent due to death or absent due to divorce, or, you know, whatever other reasons. Uh, you know, of what that looks like. So I, you know, look at my family lineage and I go, how do you even put something into place that can last beyond your own kids? You know, like, it just, that feels like such a foreign concept in our culture to be able to go, yeah. I, I want to create a vision that's gonna last for multiple generations that, you know, people will be able to come back, you know, the 30th and 31st generations and, and be able to say, yeah, this is something that I'm a part of. Like, I don't even have.

Jeremy Pryor 24:08

even

Don Ross 24:08

I don't have a framework for that. So help me out. Like how do you, how do you begin to even take steps in that direction as a man who wants to try to create that kind of a compelling vision for your family?

Jeremy Pryor 24:20

Yeah, question. Uh, this has been kind of the, the question of my whole life, I would say, and, and why we started family teams is are there tools that make it more likely that your family will become a durable, multi-generational family?

Don Ross 24:33

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 24:34

discovered over and over again that there are tools that are extremely foreign to Western people. Um, and they, they've, we've even in the last like 50 years have. Had some of these tools and we have actively deconstructed them. So I'll give a few examples.

Don Ross 24:47

Okay.

Jeremy Pryor 24:48

a multi-generational family meal, we do this as a culture once, maybe twice a year.

Don Ross 24:54

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 24:54

Christmas, we're

Don Ross 24:55

Right.

Jeremy Pryor 24:56

as sort of a miserable meal. We kinda get through it. Um. Every multi-generational family culture that I know does this at least once a week. Usually weekly is, is normal.

Don Ross 25:05

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 25:05

three generations around one table every week. If you ever achieve that as a family and it's flourishing, people want to be there. Um, that will, that will turn that, that one tool alone. Is powerful enough to create a multi-generational family.

Don Ross 25:20

Hmm. Wow.

Jeremy Pryor 25:21

about yourself multi-generationally. So we, we, we've been practicing this for over 20 years as a family. Tonight is our Sabbath. You know, we kick off our Sabbath on Friday night. You know, we will have four generations around our table. We're gonna celebrate my mom's birthday. Her great-grandchildren will be there. You know, my grandchildren, you know, like they, they will all be there celebrating their grandmother and their, and their great-grandmother. My mom.

Don Ross 25:43

That's so.

Jeremy Pryor 25:43

to our family so that you can imagine being a great-granddaughter or or a granddaughter and looking at that experience and you start to feel like there's no place in my life where I experience experience more, meaning.

Don Ross 25:56

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 25:56

that Friday night meal. All

Don Ross 25:57

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 25:58

have had that experience.

Don Ross 25:59

I love that.

Jeremy Pryor 26:00

so they just, when they started having kids, they all, you know, we have three adult kids that, that have kids.

Don Ross 26:05

I.

Jeremy Pryor 26:05

and, and so they, they wanna bring their families into that. So a lot of, a lot of Western people have no idea how powerful this tool is. Um, and, and really there's all kinds of simple ways to establish it. So that's, that's one tool.

Don Ross 26:16

Yeah, I, I want you to keep going, but I wanna just pause for a second just to say to the guys who are listening, like, uh. I hope that that, uh, what Jeremy just said is encouraging to you guys that, look, if this is like big of a concept, is this, is, it starts with just something very simple like a meal. You know, it, like, it really isn't as difficult as you've gotta completely upend the social order and you need a whole different skillset than what you've ever got. Like, we're starting with something just really simple like a meal, you know, it's just getting people together to eat, which is something we need to do anyway. So I, I love that. I think that's a beautiful starting point, but Okay. Keep going.

Jeremy Pryor 26:50

Yeah. By the way, you know, Psalm 1 28 describes the good life and when you were sharing Don your story, I was thinking about that psalm because, um, really what, what it says in that psalm is it, it talks about this meal. It says, you know, may, may your wife be a fruitful of wine in your house. May your children be like Olive Seuss around your

Don Ross 27:05

Hmm.

Jeremy Pryor 27:06

shall the man be blessed. You fear as the Lord. But the very end of it, it says, may you live to see your children's children. And one of

Don Ross 27:12

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 27:12

of the realities is premature death is a huge threat to multi-generational family living.

Don Ross 27:16

Hmm.

Jeremy Pryor 27:17

And so, you know, part of the reason why there's a lot of times we just, we can't control that,

Don Ross 27:22

Right.

Jeremy Pryor 27:22

we fight really hard as a family to be as healthy as possible, not for ourselves. It's really for my, like was, I think 94 when she was at my Sabbath table and when

Don Ross 27:33

Hmm.

Jeremy Pryor 27:34

there at that table at 94 years old. She was spanning seven generations of our family. She could remember three generations before her. She was seeing four generations after her.

Don Ross 27:42

Wow.

Jeremy Pryor 27:42

we don't know what to do with old, older people today. We were like, why are you still alive? You know, just, just sitting in nursing homes, watching TV until they slowly die of, you know, various, uh, illnesses or whatever.

Don Ross 27:52

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 27:53

the the point is in, in a multi-generational family. Having those oldest people in your family, the oldest ones with the, the longest memories, they're extremely valuable for the

Don Ross 28:04

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 28:05

they, they, that is, if you're like, how do I get this identity? Well, it's, it's honoring. Those, those oldest people, it's, it's the privilege of getting to care for them in their old age. It's, it's having them at your table. Now. I know there's been so much, you know, rupture. A lot of people listening to this are like, well, my parents weren't there for me. Or

Don Ross 28:23

Right.

Jeremy Pryor 28:23

horrible situations that happen in our culture, but it's important for you guys to understand that, that all of those things. Um, are all, these are all things that are designed to erode, uh, the connection and identity that our families are, are designed to give us, and that even though you may not come from a great, awesome, multi-generational family, a great, awesome multi-generational family can come from you. And so you want to be at that table someday. You want to construct the kind of lifestyle so that that is how you spend your final years of your life. Um, so I, I would say that that is the absolute kind of like keystone tool is learning. By the way, one of the things that's interesting to me is my dad, um, when he was a child, um, he, he was a part of a multi-generational family meal like this on Sunday afternoons or Sunday evenings. Um, his family there, all the generations got together at his grandmother's house. know, he, he, he grew up that way. Um, but I didn't grow up that way. I'd never seen a multi-generational weekly family meal like this. Um, and so a lot of us are just one or two generations removed from this, having been a part of a practice of

Don Ross 29:21

Sure. Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 29:22

like exclusive to Jewish families. This is every, every multi-generational family used to do this. Um, and so it, it's just, and that, that's why you can't expect to understand the basic nature of family without this tool. I think it's that important. So I would say that's one. Another one is that, you know, we, we need to actually think about like, if you're gonna become a team, a big question that, that a father has to answer is, what game are we playing? Like, what,

Don Ross 29:47

Hmm.

Jeremy Pryor 29:47

the vision of this team? Like, you have to actually start constructing what is that mission? What is your family's mission? You know, we, we've learned this about businesses, right? Businesses that actually construct and clarify their mission, vision, and values, really per outperform ones that just are like, yeah, we just, we don't know why we're doing this. We don't really know what our, our main goals are. Like, you have to start to cast that vision for, for your family. And so we have, we have really talked to our kids about like, what are the things, and like you said, that that sandbox needs to be able to expand based on the, the different. Teammates that God is putting inside the family. And

Don Ross 30:21

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 30:21

our kids, our in-laws are coming in, we're constantly reevaluating what that is like, guys, what are the things that you're bringing into this family team? Um, how can we do that? So I think, I think actually writing out or clarifying those things and then updating them as God is expanding your family, um, is really important. And the last one I'll throw. You know that, that for us has been really interesting to do. Um, is actually trying to find arenas that currently in our culture are individual arenas and making them family team arenas like sports

Don Ross 30:50

Hmm.

Jeremy Pryor 30:50

is a great example. Sports is amazing. We, our kids learn teamwork when they join, uh, sports, I think, I think also including. Imagine a world in which you were playing a sport with your siblings, um, against other teams with their siblings, like what that would do for your family? Cohesion. Well, there are actually lots of sports that, where you can do that. You can do that with tennis. You do a pickleball. There's family kickball, there's martial arts. We did that. We had all eight of us in, um. would do TaeKwonDo for two years as a family. Like there's a lot of arenas where you can enter into with lots of ages, um, and kind of, you might have to like play with the rules a little bit, but there's ways that you can, you can have an experience where instead of constantly your teamness as an individual. Which is great as well. I wouldn't say this is, you know, where replace is, all of that, but I do think that you should consider it. Um, and so I have a friend who's who started this family kickball league, and now it's been starting in different cities, you know, and he, he has six boys and they were all in different sports and you know, they decided for one, you know, sports season to run this new kind of family kickball thing. And, um, and they competed. They had the whole, they had trophies, they had, you know, t-shirts. They did the whole thing. And by the time the season was over, the kids were like. That was amazing. He's like, do you guys wanna all go back to your individual sports? They're like, no, we just wanna do

Don Ross 32:08

No.

Jeremy Pryor 32:08

You know? Uh, that was amazing. So they've been doing it every year, you know, sucking more and more people from, um, the community and they tweaked the rules so that, you know, there's an actual competitive. Experience when you're competing against, you know, this family with, you know, really young children, even like the

Don Ross 32:25

Yeah, sure.

Jeremy Pryor 32:26

up to kick more.

Don Ross 32:27

Right.

Jeremy Pryor 32:27

the strollers are like ghost runners. I mean, it is brilliantly done so that the family really gets to experience, um, a team experience together.

Don Ross 32:35

It's so fun. Yeah. Uh, that sounds great. I, I love that. Um, okay, let me shift gears just a little bit and kind of ask, um. Uh, thinking about just sort of this whole like multi-generational family structure, and I want to ask a little bit just about marriage, um, because, you know, within the context of kind of the nuclear family, um, you know, we kind of think of marriage as sort of like the, the apex component of the nuclear family, right? Like it's, uh, this, it's. Like the family flows out of the marriage, especially within the Christian circle. We kind of think like, like marriage first, kids second, you know, like this is kind of where things sit. Uh, and, and typically with the man leading, uh, that aspect of the family. And so, uh, you know, the man is kind of at the, the top of the food chain is maybe like too extreme of a way to, to put it. But, uh, but you know that, that he's kind of in the primary role when it comes to the nuclear family.

Jeremy Pryor 33:26

right?

Don Ross 33:26

So I have to imagine that that shifts a little bit in the way that a multi-generational family works. Uh, but I, I couldn't exactly tell you how. So like, help me understand a little bit, like what does, what does marriage, uh, look like in the context of multi-generational family and how, how as a man do you lead your wife well, how do you, uh, you know, play the role of husband well within the context of multi-generations? How does that kind of work and feel different than, and sort of the way that we understand it in the nuclear family?

Jeremy Pryor 33:56

Yeah. Yeah. I, I gain a lot of inspiration from. first three chapters in Genesis when it comes to this topic. You know, one of the things that theologians says say is that, the principle of first mention is that oftentimes when a new concept comes in into existence, you're given its basic essence. And so Genesis one, where we're told, you know, God made them male and female, um, he blessed them and tells them, be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, subdue it. Rule over my creation. Um, what he's saying there is he's, he's saying the reason for the family, the reason for this male female bond that I'm going to give you is for this five part mission to be fruitful, multiply, feel, subdue and rule. And, um, and when you think about that trajectory, um, and you can see how the husband and wife have very different roles, um, in, in different ways, particularly the early stages of that five part mission to be fruitful, what it means to be a wife or a mother. Um, and, and fruitfulness is a little different than what the dad has to do to multiply, to fill, subdue and rule. And so we, we've, as we've talked about that and teased that out, and this is, I kind of mentioned earlier, the importance of having a clear mission statement. I believe that the family itself is sort of preloaded with this five part mission to be fruitful, multiply, fill, subdue, and rule. But the, because the, the, the ultimate goal of all this being fruitful, multiplying, filling, and subduing, is to rule. I think the multi-generational family, the marriage is, is a royal experience. It's like

Don Ross 35:22

Okay.

Jeremy Pryor 35:23

there's a cleanliness to your wife. Now, she could only experience that kind of, uh, that kind of identity to the extent that your family is, is moving through, uh, these, these stages. And so I've, you know, when my wife and I got married. We we, we, we own nothing. Like we have no kids. Um, you know, it's just like we're, we're penniless. Um, and so that's how we started, you know, to today. I, I see my wife in extremely queenly way. Like she, the way that she leads in our family, the way that she sits. At the table, uh, with our, our multi-generational family, what we've built together over the years, what we do with our children and our grandchildren, with our businesses, with our investments, with our ministries, everything she, everything that we oversee. April and I as a husband and wife team, we rule over together. I have, you know, I have to learn how to rule over in a kingly way, really. There's a lot of nobility and trying to understand what that looks like and, and how to do that well. And then watching my wife become increasingly dignified in the way that she is ruling over all of these things. But we have, you know, different roles and I think that that is typified and really, um, most best described in the Bible in Proverbs 31. it describes this very queenly woman who now has, is ruling over her multi-generational family. Her, her husband's at the city gate. He is in some kind of governing like capacity. She is managing this very complex household that has like various business entities and employees and investments. And so that's the way my wife, like, she lives that lifestyle. Um, and, and, and so I think that all of us are on this trajectory, but the way that we achieve that is through this five part mission. the other thing that it says in Genesis that I found so helpful is, um, in Genesis two, when God first makes Eve, it says, you know, I will give you, um, and in English, we, we translate a helper suitable, uh, for Adam. Um, and, and the, the literal reading of that in Hebrew is I will make, um, uh, like an ally opposed to you. And it's really an interesting way of thinking about it. Like, she's going to have a very different perspective than you. She's going to oppose you, um, in the same way, like trusses are, are like opposed to each other, but there needs to be this kind of arena or this dynamic that you have within the marriage in a multi-generational family where there's a lot. So, so April and I, we've, we've had like a, a weekly meeting. Uh, we have a weekly literal business meeting every week where, where we are working out stuff together. Um, we, we are managing a lot of things and so, and I desperately need her insight, um, and her help trying to understand. And so there's a constant tension that is really creative and its nature between her perspective and my perspective, um, working themselves out. And then we then gather our household together. And we also have a, a, a household meeting. That April and I run together once we've had our kind of, you know, business meeting. And that doesn't mean that's like the only thing we do. You know, we also have date night

Don Ross 38:24

Sure. Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 38:25

pursue, but the vision of the marriage that I think, uh, is best for a multi-generational family. I think the phrase I like the best is a romantic partnership. And so, um, you, you want to, you, you don't want to dial up the romance and then down the partnership 'cause you destroy the, the. The real purpose that, that what you guys are building, something

Don Ross 38:44

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 38:45

but you also can just dial up the partnership and dial down the romance, and so that you're, you feel like, well, what is this about? I could, I could just find a co-founder and

Don Ross 38:53

Right.

Jeremy Pryor 38:53

You know, like it's gotta be both. But in the modern world, we've really envisioned marriage exclusively as a romantic. Um, like love relationship,

Don Ross 39:05

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 39:05

is, it is not a productive thing that you're co-founding a family line and that you're

Don Ross 39:10

Hmm.

Jeremy Pryor 39:11

as partners, like co-founders to, uh, to build something over the course of,

Don Ross 39:16

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 39:16

plus years. And so that's the difference I, that I see

Don Ross 39:20

I love that. I love the, um, the creator ness of that. You know, just, I mean, even as you're kind of talking like first few chapters of Genesis, you know, that sense of, um, yeah, I'm, I'm coming together with my wife in a way that we are. Create literally birthing, you know, but creating something new into the world, um, that's meant to be productive and provide value and, uh, you know, shape things like that. I mean, that's, it's entirely in line with what it means to be the image of God, right? To,

Jeremy Pryor 39:47

Yes. To

Don Ross 39:47

on his creative nature into the world. So I, I. I think that's beautiful. I think that's a, a great picture. Um, okay. I, as you're talking through this, I'm, I'm thinking a little bit about myself and thinking, uh, some about listeners, uh, who might be in similar stages to me. Um, you know, as I hear what you're saying, I, I think like, okay.

Jeremy Pryor 40:05

okay,

Don Ross 40:05

This makes sense if I am a guy who's a dad with a young family, right. Where I've got time and years with my kids to be able to shape and to mold them and kind of prepare and move them towards the, the, you know, this kind of lasting legacy sort of sense of, of building something together. But I would love for you to just kind of speak to. The guys who aren't in that stage, right, who maybe are like me. I've got, uh, two teenage boys who are mostly grown. They're 18 and 16 at this point. You know, we're, we're right on that cusp of kicking them out of the nest, so to speak. Um, but so I'd love for you to speak to like, guys that are in my stage, kind of in that, like either pre-emp, empty nest or empty nest stage. Um, even guys who are granddads, you know, like, uh, what does it look like as a granddad, if you're going, Hey, I'd, I'd love to build this legacy. Too late for me to be able to do that. Um, or maybe even guys who are on the front end of family, you know, either aren't married yet, don't have kids, um, but they're hearing what you're saying and just going, I don't, I don't even know where to start. How about any of us guys who aren't at the, the young family stage, uh, what does that look like for us? Is it, is it too early, too late for us? How do we get started?

Jeremy Pryor 41:10

Okay. It's definitely not too late, but I, I do wanna emphasize it's a very different. Way of building family, and therefore there probably does need to be a reset of some kind. Like, like I, I've multiple people that have had teenage kids or adult kids that have gone through this sort of family teams paradigm shift. They need to like actually sit down with their, their sons or daughters and say, guys, this is what I thought I was, I thought the best thing I could ever do for you is help you become, you know, a radically free individual and launch you out. Now I'm beginning to understand that like there's a lot more to family than I realized. Um, and I would, I I'm, and at that point, they're, they're adults. You know, they're, they're at that stage. It's really important that

Don Ross 41:53

Right.

Jeremy Pryor 41:54

you know, their story, what they've learned, and, and you're very much like in a, in a conversation where you're inviting them back into something because, uh. So if I could just paint the picture of how different these are. So like in, in a family team or what you see in scripture, um, with like, someone like Isaac Abraham left his father because his father was an idol worshiper, but of course Isaac did not. And so part of this is, you know, there are, there's a big difference between being a first generation Abraham and Sarah, or a second generation Isaac and Rebecca. And if you do have a vision, if you're listening to this, you're like, well, I, you know. Um, I, I do, I do. I would like my, I do think my children are Isaac and Rebecca generate, I think they're gonna be building, they're not starting over. They are building off a legacy that they have received, being in our house, being raised in our family. I would just say, look, that that's really important. And I think that, um, I think that, that, that actually is, is, is gonna bless them tremendously. What is that legacy? What is your vision like? Like some of the things, so some of the things that we've told our kids is, look, you guys have to understand all of our family's resources.

Don Ross 42:57

exist

Jeremy Pryor 42:58

to help and serve you guys.

Don Ross 43:00

Hmm.

Jeremy Pryor 43:00

are not, you are not orphans. You are not first generation kids.

Don Ross 43:04

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 43:04

so like if you, if you wanna have kids early and often, which we definitely encourage you guys to do.

Don Ross 43:09

Everything

Jeremy Pryor 43:09

we have is here to serve you guys. Do you need a house? Do you need a car? Do you need a business? Do you need, do you need connections? What do you need? Like we, we, part of what we have swallowed in this western culture is this idea that of hyper equality, like, like that just destroys civilization somehow. If you give your kids advantages, your job. As a patriarch matriarch of your family is to give your children the most advantages

Don Ross 43:34

as you possibly

Jeremy Pryor 43:35

can, and that

Don Ross 43:35

is the best way you can serve

Jeremy Pryor 43:37

the world. Yeah. And so to me, 18 is just the beginning of that. Like

Don Ross 43:41

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 43:42

turn 18, you should just be, it's almost like, like things are really getting started now.

Don Ross 43:47

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 43:47

how can we help you? And it doesn't mean that you're controlling your kids, like, but whatever they're doing, um, it's like you guys, you guys are going to have the full. access to the resources of this family to further whatever it is God's doing in your life, and that if that means in very individual season of being on the mission field or being at college, that's fine. Like, you have to understand, like, like there's, like, you are not an orphan. Like you, you come from somewhere. You belong to a family. And, and our resources exist to help serve the mission that God's given our whole family. And we wanna know what that is because, because it's really important that they get access to that. So I think that that, that that experience And then, so that's sort of the resource side. And then I would say that there's a, a hyper relational side, um, which is like, you really need to stay connected to the hearts of your adult children. You know, I, I, we've, we have all kinds of different like, um, practices that we've started. I have a thing, like we have our multi-generational family meal every week. I also do this thing called cigars and sons, and I just tell my sons like, I have two son-in-laws, you know, my son, I have all the guys I've discipled, and I'm just like, guys. at least once a month I'm gonna go smoke a cigar. I just wanna hang out with you guys. I just wanna be with you. I wanna hear what's on your heart. You know, I, I do a thing called drinks with daughters. I just did this recently with all my girls. I have four, you know, adult daughters. And so I'm just like, guys, you want to, you know, we're gonna go to like this, this really quiet bar, and I'll, you know, buy you whatever you want. And, and we're gonna sit and I just wanna hear what's on your heart. Like, yeah. I could crush Netflix in the evening or could smoke cigars with my sons and drink

Don Ross 45:18

Right.

Jeremy Pryor 45:18

with my daughters. Like I just decided like I'd rather, you know, at least once a week

Don Ross 45:23

Yeah. Who needs Netflix, right? Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 45:26

Yeah. Like this is so, it's such a rich life,

Don Ross 45:28

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 45:29

designed for family. So beautiful. And so yeah, if you find yourself in that situation, and if your kids are far away from a distance perspective. Then really be thoughtful about, about visiting them and be really thoughtful about how to use that time when they're visiting you. Like these are, these precious moments are so important, uh, for our family. And, and we, we had all kinds of seasons where our kids were, you know, living abroad and, you know, so I, I get all of that. We, we told our kids, anytime you, you move somewhere. There's always gonna be, basically every six months we would go get an Airbnb, just like host an entire week. They would bring their friends. We would really understand what is God doing here with our son or with our daughter? How can we be a part of this? How can we serve you guys and what God's doing in and through. You guys are ambassadors of this family, but you're not, but you belong to the family and,

Don Ross 46:17

Right.

Jeremy Pryor 46:18

resources. Our, you know, we're stewarding them on, on all of our be halves. And so we, we have to get close to what's going on there, understand it in order to deploy those resources or en enabled in, in order to make those connections. And so, um, I, I, I think, I think that we just have such a weak vision of the, the, the, the bond of, of what these family relationships are all about.

Don Ross 46:42

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 46:43

um, yeah, I, I, I think it's such a, it's, I love the stage. I, I much prefer. adult child stage than the little kid stage. To me, it's, it's so much more rich. And by the way, one of the things that's really interesting too is count how many TV shows or movies are about adult children with their parents. Like, you know, whether it's Yellowstone, like, there's so many like epic shows that I watch. I'm just like, we love this topic.

Don Ross 47:11

Hmm.

Jeremy Pryor 47:11

it's fascinating. We, we sense the deep meaning of it.

Don Ross 47:15

Yeah,

Jeremy Pryor 47:15

patriarch and, and then his adult children. Um, but for some reason we design the childhood of our kids when we're raising them to, to intentionally destroy

Don Ross 47:27

to be without that. Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 47:28

yeah. When they turn 18 or 19 or 20,

Don Ross 47:31

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 47:32

I think is, uh, something we, we've got to, we gotta heal that somehow.

Don Ross 47:35

Hmm.

Jeremy Pryor 47:35

Yeah.

Don Ross 47:36

Uh, really good. That encourages me. Uh, I'm actually on my way this evening, uh, to take my family over to my parents' house and we're all gonna have nachos together. So I'm excited for our

Jeremy Pryor 47:45

a

Don Ross 47:46

multi-generational meal tonight. Uh, that'll be great.

Jeremy Pryor 47:48

generations.

Don Ross 47:49

Yep. There we go. Yeah, man, that's good. Uh, well, Jeremy, this has been really just a fantastic interview. I think, so helpful, uh, really an encouraging conversation for me. I know the guys listening are gonna get a ton out of this. Um, if guys are listening and they're thinking, I want to know more about this, I want to be able to figure out how to take some steps with this, with my family. Um, where can I point them to? What can I send them to with family teams to help them kind of get started and get into your orbit?

Jeremy Pryor 48:14

Yeah. Yeah. So you can go to family teams. We've got all.com. We've got. Lots of resources there. We have a kind of a, like a short, um, e-course that our little email course that you can, you can get called, uh, family teams.com/transform. 'cause there's these like little micro steps that we always find people need to take at this really early stage. Like, what in the world is this? You know? So,

Don Ross 48:34

Yeah.

Jeremy Pryor 48:34

and, and then of course some people just really need to get into the theology of this. So I've got a book called Family Revision. My partner, Jefferson Bethke wrote a book called Take Back Your Family. And so those three areas, family teams.com, family teams.com/transform. To get that, uh, those emails. And then if you want to just pick up one of our books, uh, to kind of do the deep dive, those would be the places I'd point you.

Don Ross 48:53

Okay, awesome. Uh, we'll put that in the show notes as well. Uh, and guys, if you're not already on our email list, uh, at manhood tribes.com, you can sign up for that. We'll put this information, uh, in our emails that go out about. These episodes as well. So you can look for all of that information there. Um, I know this is gonna be super helpful for a lot of you, Jeremy, really appreciative of you being on today. And thank you for your wisdom and your counsel to us as men. And uh, I hope this makes a real difference in the lives of a whole bunch of families. So, thank you. Yep.

Jeremy Pryor 49:20

Don. Thanks for what you're doing, man. Appreciate it.