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How to Process Loss and Heal Emotionally with Erin Wright (Ep. 35)

• Abbey Henderson, CFP®

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Grief isn’t just something we survive; it’s something we live through, grow with, and often misunderstand.

In this profoundly moving episode of Wealth Beyond Riches, Abbey sits down with grief educator, coach, and nurse Erin Wright to reframe what it means to “grieve well.” From unspoken cultural expectations to somatic awareness, this episode explores how grief shows up not just after death, but in the quieter losses like identity shifts, divorce, caregiving, and even personal reinvention.

Erin shares how holding space, without rushing to fix, can be one of the most profound gifts we offer others and ourselves.

What to expect:

  • The surprising ways grief impacts everyday life
  • Why grief isn't something to "get over" and what to do instead
  • How to hold space for others without overstepping
  • Tools for navigating loss with compassion, body awareness, and grace
  • And more!

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About Our Guest:

Erin Wright is a certified professional coach, registered nurse, and David Kessler Certified Grief Educator.

She helps individuals and families explore, navigate, and make choices around a wide variety of end-of-life and grief challenges. These choices result in highly empowered decisions reflecting her clients’ unique values for what it means to die and grieve well.

Her work as a professional coach is informed by 30 years of leadership and clinical experience in palliative and hospice care settings.

Her clients vary from individuals and families impacted by end-of-life and grief, to work teams seeking to better support colleagues in the midst of their grieving process.

She has a passion for this work and is on a mission to support coaches, death doulas, spiritual healers, and others who want to bring the skills and qualities of coaching to people they serve in the end-of-life and grief space.

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[00:01:07] Wendy McConnell: Hello and welcome to the Wealth Beyond Riches podcast with your host, Abbey Henderson, where we talk about enriching your life. In every way. I'm Wendy McConnell. Well, hey there, Abbey. How are you? I am well. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. It's hot now. We're getting hot. 

[00:01:25] Abbey Henderson: It is hot and it's humid.

[00:01:27] Wendy McConnell: Yes. I mean, we were complaining it was cold and rainy and boy oh boy. Am I sorry that I did that. 

[00:01:34] Abbey Henderson: It it always comes back to 

[00:01:36] Wendy McConnell: Hana every time. Yes, exactly. So, uh, we have a guest today, which is always exciting. Would you like to introduce her? Yes, and 

[00:01:44] Abbey Henderson: I'd like to tee 

[00:01:44] Wendy McConnell: up the 

[00:01:45] Abbey Henderson: topic too, because it's a little bit different for us.

[00:01:48] Abbey Henderson: So, um, this episode we are talking about grief. And that is not always perceived as necessarily the most cheerful of [00:02:00] topics, but, uh, as I think everyone will find out as we go through our conversation, it's actually a really critical part of thriving and living a fulfilled life. So I am so excited to have Erin Wright with us. She is 

[00:02:17] Erin Wright: Yay

[00:02:21] Abbey Henderson: Um, I'm gonna sing your accolades and steal directly from your website because you thank you. Your bio is beautiful. Um, Erin is a certified professional coach, a registered nurse, and a David Kessler certified grief educator. And she helps individuals and families explore, navigate, and make choices around a wide variety of end of life and grief challenges.

[00:02:46] Abbey Henderson: And these choices result in highly empowered decisions that reflect a client's unique values for what it means to die and grieve well. And I just, I just think that's [00:03:00] so beautifully said. So welcome, Erin. 

[00:03:02] Erin Wright: Thank you. I'm happy to be here. 

[00:03:04] Abbey Henderson: We are, we are thrilled to have you. 'cause I think this is a super important topic that not everyone really wants to explore.

[00:03:12] Abbey Henderson: Yeah, me too. So how did, how did you come to this work and, and start from the beginning? 'cause I think your path is fascinating. 

[00:03:21] Erin Wright: Yeah. I'll start from, I, you know, I'm a registered nurse and, uh, I spent a few years working in hospitals and most of my career in nursing, working in, um, home care and hospice.

[00:03:33] Erin Wright: And you know, I saw the impact directly, especially in my hospice work, both doing bedside nursing and lead leading nurses that were doing bedside nursing. I saw the impact of uh, what a good death can be like, not just for the person that was dying, but for the families who were left behind after someone died.

[00:03:55] Erin Wright: And that came to be, um. Really meaningful [00:04:00] me, meaningful for me. It wasn't well documented in books. It wasn't something that we could study or read upon. It was just sort of intuitive knowing about what was gonna make a good death. And so much of that from a nurse's perspective was actually coaching. And so when I decided to go back to school and become a.

[00:04:23] Erin Wright: Uh, coach, um, I brought all of that with me and it blended beautifully the way of coaching and the way of being with people, um, at end of life and who are grieving. It just was a beautiful blend. It was a beautiful synergy. 

[00:04:40] Abbey Henderson: Yeah. It, and, and one that perhaps isn't necessarily as, as common, um, in, in those situations as perhaps it could be and should be.

[00:04:50] Erin Wright: It's certainly not named, right? Mm-hmm. It's not named that hospice nurses are actually co when they're doing it. Well, they're coaching. It's, there's no, um, yet [00:05:00] there's no naming of that, so. 

[00:05:02] Abbey Henderson: Right. And perhaps it's more intuitive, as you said, as opposed to, um, something that they actually learned along the way formally 

[00:05:10] Erin Wright: For 

[00:05:11] Abbey Henderson: sure.

[00:05:11] Abbey Henderson: Yeah. Um. Now in your practice, it's not just end of life, you actually, I believe, coach around sort of grief as a much bigger topic. Do you wanna talk a little bit about that? 

[00:05:24] Erin Wright: Sure. A lot of my clients come to me after their person has passed and they're looking for a safe space to bring their whole self.

[00:05:33] Erin Wright: The other thing that I would say, and we can talk about this later, Abbey, is that grief isn't just about dying. It's just not about just a human being that's passing on or has passed. It's about divorce. Mm-hmm. It's about loss of a job. It's about, you know, I've launched my kids and I've devoted my life to them, so I don't have an identity anymore.

[00:05:58] Erin Wright: You know, grieving that. [00:06:00] There's the grief takes, its. Part of us every day. Many of my clients do have somebody that's passed on in their life and that's why they're coming to build a relationship with me. But it's not, you know, as coaches, I think we can see grief in every, if we're open to it, we can see grief in almost every conversation.

[00:06:19] Abbey Henderson: And I imagine sometimes people are grieving something and they might not even know exactly what they're grieving when they are experiencing. Yes. 

[00:06:28] Erin Wright: That's so true. And when you, when you as a coach, oh, this is gonna make me emotional. When you as a coach can actually see that, when you can say, I think there's grief here.

[00:06:39] Erin Wright: The flood gates will open. Mm-hmm. And allow, this is my passion, right? So that will allow for the space. So you give it language, and then allow for the space, for the emotion to show up whatever it is. Sadness, anger, rage, you know, overwhelm any [00:07:00] feeling. Is allowed in grief because it's real. It's what's here.

[00:07:05] Erin Wright: Um, and when we create as coaches, when we create a safe space for that to be able to show up, it's such a gift. 

[00:07:12] Abbey Henderson: Mm. Because sometimes that's the only place a client might have to, to be able to do that. 

[00:07:17] Erin Wright: Yeah. Um, you know, one of the things that I talk about a lot, especially in our trainings, is that we don't often have a safe space to go with grief.

[00:07:28] Erin Wright: Right. We get our. Three, or maybe if we're lucky, five days of bereavement leave and then you come back to work and you've got a couple of weeks where people are gonna sort of give you a wide ber and move around you 10, you know, tender foot and um, and then you're expected to be okay. And. As grievers, we feel that we feel that people aren't ready or don't wanna be around us anymore.

[00:07:58] Erin Wright: So we stuff it all [00:08:00] in oftentimes, and my worldview is when we stuff emotions in, we get sick. And so for a coach to be able to give someone the space that they need to feel all the feelings without judgment, without someone trying to make us feel better without, you know, without all of the like, calm it down, Erin, calm it down, Abbey.

[00:08:24] Erin Wright: You know, I don't, for, for a coach to be able to do that, I think is such a gift for both the coach and obviously the person. The other thing that I wanna say about that is, um. Our people that surround us love us, and they don't want us to feel bad. They don't want us to be mad, they don't want us to be sad.

[00:08:41] Erin Wright: They don't want us to be anything except joyful and happy. And so, um, you know, I'm gonna bring you flowers Abbey, because you're feeling sad. And if those flowers don't make you feel better, then. I'm gonna take it personal or I, I'm not doing enough or, you know. So then [00:09:00] it's just as we get into these big cycles of not allowing ourselves to feel what's real for us, because either somebody wants us to feel better or somebody wants us to feel, be over it by now.

[00:09:13] Erin Wright: And there's just no room for us to be the way, you know, to be the way grief wants us to be. Acute grief lasts two years. 

[00:09:22] Abbey Henderson: And I imagine that's two years, assuming you are actually open and willing to processing it. Yeah. Versus stuffing it down, like 

[00:09:29] Erin Wright: you said, learning. Learning to live without our person or without our job, or without our marriage.

[00:09:34] Erin Wright: Right. Learning to live in a way that we never thought that we'd have to learn to live. Hmm. 

[00:09:41] Abbey Henderson: And you know, as you were saying, our people want us to be happy. I imagine that's something that is often installed in us as children. Like the repression of the feelings is probably installed very young and then becomes sort of a coping mechanism that is just positively reinforced sort of [00:10:00] all along the way.

[00:10:01] Erin Wright: I mean, think about that, you know, whereas little kids, oftentimes it's our job, right or wrong, it's our job to like make sure we don't disappoint our parents. Yep. I don't want my mom to feel sad, so I'm not gonna do that thing. I don't want my dad to be angry with me, so I'm not gonna do that thing. And then I think, especially as women, um, oftentimes we were sort of socially trained to, you know, be that pleaser, to set out, to make everyone feel, feel good.

[00:10:32] Erin Wright: And we don't ever wanna be the reason that somebody's feeling. Not happy with us. And so we stuff our own, you know, there's tons of research out there right now that's saying that, um, tons of health issues are because we're stuffing down our emotions and we're not letting them out. Right. And there's not a lot of room for women in society right now to feel angry.

[00:10:56] Erin Wright: Mm. Anger is a huge part of grief. [00:11:00] So I think in our, our coach trainings and in my coaching practice, allowing people, the space to do that is, like I said before, such a gift. 

[00:11:10] Abbey Henderson: Right. Um. I bet that's a surprise to some people that anger is part of grief. So maybe, maybe give us a little bit of, sort of a common vocabulary and knowledge around grief for people that maybe have been like, oh, I've never, I've never really thought about any of that.

[00:11:26] Erin Wright: Yeah. I mean, I think the common language is like. What's here right now for you and allowing for that to, because we can only work with one emotion at a time, right? So allowing that feeling to really be felt, really be, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Like really manifest that feeling. So if you're angry, punch a pillow, journal the hell out of a notebook, almost make it bigger.

[00:11:54] Erin Wright: You know, I've sent people to rage rooms. Um, you know, just go smash [00:12:00] some stuff. So, but just a, I think the common language is let's allow, okay, so anger was here. You've worked through it. Now what's here, because it's like an onion. You peel back the layers of grief. All kinds of things are gonna start showing up, and they maybe you've worked through the anger and sadness shows up, and then anger shows up again because you're sad and you're pissed off that you don't wanna be sad anymore.

[00:12:25] Erin Wright: You know, oftentimes people are working through a whole lifetime of relationship with. Mm. Their grief, right? So if I had, if my dad died and I had a complicated relationship with my dad, I'm working through all that complication too. Like why am I sad? I couldn't stand the guy, or I revered him and you know, this is really important and I feel nothing.

[00:12:48] Erin Wright: Mm. And so when I, when I talk to people about like, what is your feeling? I don't have any feelings. I feel nothing. Well, feeling nothing is a feeling. Mm. Oh, that's such a good, [00:13:00] good way to put it. Mm-hmm. And it's in your body. And so, uh, let's, let's talk about what it feels like to feel nothing. Right. Where is the numbness showing up?

[00:13:10] Erin Wright: So, I, I don't even know if this answers your question, but I just wanna, I just wanna reiterate that like all the feelings. Are valid and real and need really, really need to be felt in order for them to move through us. Mm-hmm. And once they move through us, we make room for something else. 

[00:13:31] Abbey Henderson: Do you find that you spend time thinking about the, the example where someone maybe doesn't.

[00:13:37] Abbey Henderson: Feel anything? Do you spend time sort of educating your clients on sort of body awareness and the ability to articulate emotions and, and because that these might be things that they've never really focused on? 

[00:13:53] Erin Wright: Yeah. Um, definitely time around body awareness. I'm not sure [00:14:00] education is the right. I think it's more like, let's tune in, close your eyes.

[00:14:06] Erin Wright: What are you actually feeling in your body? So what is your, what is a somatic response that we're having to these feelings? Um, I don't tend to come from a place of, let me, you know, I'm gonna teach you about this. Right? Um, it's more of like, let's feel into it. And the reason for that is so that it can move through you and I, what I find really helpful.

[00:14:30] Erin Wright: You know those that went to school in our neck of the woods, Abbey, with CTI, someone call this process coaching. So closing your eyes and really tuning into what your body's saying to you. So where do you feel that? I feel it in my heart. Great. Let's stay there. Let's stay in your heart. What's going on in your heart?

[00:14:47] Erin Wright: Like, and usually, you know, it's like a U, right? Usually you start up at the top of the U, you go down, dip down into the. You with big, big feelings, and then you come back up out the [00:15:00] top. Oftentimes feeling exhausted and better when you allow yourself to really go into somatically what your body's feeling.

[00:15:09] Abbey Henderson: Ta are there any, um, before we sort of get to some tips and to-dos for ourselves and how we help others, is there anything else you wanna potentially say about what grief is, what it isn't? Are there any sort of common misconceptions or myths around grief that you sort of wanna. Bring to people. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[00:15:31] Erin Wright: Really passionate about this. What I'm gonna say is the common misconception is that there's something wrong with you if you're grieving. And, um, I see coaches all the time that, that are like, they'll put out on a, on a website, Hey, I'm looking for, uh, recommendations for a therapist. My client is grieving and I'm not sure what to do with that.

[00:15:51] Erin Wright: And I'll always pop in. I try to be pleasant, but I always pop in and say, you know, grief is not pathological. [00:16:00] There's nothing wrong with you if you're grieving, so don't make your clients feel like there's something wrong with you. This is not a pathological thing. This is a very, very human experience, and the quicker that we can normalize that for people and accept what's going on for them and not make it about us, then the better off I think we're gonna be.

[00:16:21] Erin Wright: From a, from a humanity perspective, let's normalize this, this gift, if you will, of grief. It's calling us to grow. 

[00:16:32] Abbey Henderson: Yeah. Oh, I, I suppose we can say that about every emotion too. Definitely. You know, people don't necessarily want to feel what they label as the bad or negative emotions, but they all have something to teach us.

[00:16:43] Erin Wright: And I feel like this may be off topic a little bit, but we've gotten into such, especially coaches, we've gotten into such a, a culture of toxic positivity where, you know, we're just gonna make everybody feel better all the time. Um, and. People will feel better on their [00:17:00] own timeline if they're allowed the space to feel what they're feeling.

[00:17:06] Abbey Henderson: Well, and I'll put in the plug for coaches that you, if you're not comfortable with your own grief and anger, you're probably not gonna be comfortable with it in your clients either. So yeah, we all have to do our own work around those things. I think to be good coaches. I think 

[00:17:22] Erin Wright: you're so right. And when we, when we do our trainings, there's a whole exercise that we do where we have somebody, we break people up into couples and somebody shares a grief story and somebody's the coach.

[00:17:34] Erin Wright: The coach actually can't say or do anything. All they, all we allow them to do is notice what's going on inside of them while they're holding space for this grief story. Because I think that's where the learning for most of us is, is like, where do I need to do my work? Do I can hold space for grief? You know, where do I find myself really leaning in and wanting to know more?

[00:17:56] Erin Wright: Where do I find myself wanting to like give her a hug and pat [00:18:00] it better? I think there's so much learning for us to do there. 

[00:18:04] Abbey Henderson: Hmm. I'm curious, the question sort of just popped into my head. I'm curious if you have a way of explaining to clients that actually, you know, thinking about your, you and the you makes perfect sense to me because I was the demo client in training for the process.

[00:18:24] Abbey Henderson: Okay. So I have lived.

[00:18:29] Abbey Henderson: And I did feel better afterwards. How do you, how do you give clients the confidence that it really is worth it to sort of go, go there to the bottom where you're really feeling it all and it kind of, it kind of sucks in the moment. You have to have some faith that you're coming out the other side. 

[00:18:45] Erin Wright: Yeah.

[00:18:46] Erin Wright: I mean, so much of that come, comes with the relationship that I develop with a client when they first come to me. Right? Like, we're gonna do some hard things. We're gonna feel some hard feelings. And, um, all in service to you [00:19:00] and the life that you're wanting to create. And so, and I will oftentimes, when we're in the u, when we're in the bottom of the u, um, and things are hard, I'll often like just a lot of reassurance.

[00:19:10] Erin Wright: I'm right here with you. You're not alone. You know, I think the relationship that's built on the front of a coaching, um, collaboration and that continues to be built. During our time together is the container that allows for the big emotions to be held. 

[00:19:31] Abbey Henderson: Well, and I guess it also maybe goes back a little bit to coaches doing their own work.

[00:19:35] Abbey Henderson: If you can tell a client like, I've been sitting there too and, and I know, you know, in my experience it did you come out the other side and I wouldn't ask you to do anything I haven't done. Probably is helpful too. 

[00:19:48] Erin Wright: Yeah. I mean, I was with a, I was with a bunch of coaches recently doing a. Half day training.

[00:19:54] Erin Wright: And there was a coach there that he has been in the CTI world for [00:20:00] many, many years, uh, as a trainer. And he, when we were closing at the end of our time together, he said, I always was told that I couldn't coach grief, that I had to refer it. And now I know that was crap. Like as long as I'm willing to go there, my client will go there.

[00:20:19] Erin Wright: I mean, our clients will go wherever. How, wherever we are willing to go ourselves. Mm-hmm. And so it's a calling to us as coaches to keep doing our own work. Right. If I can't hold space for you and the loss of your person because it brings up the loss of my person, then that's, that's a calling for me to do my work.

[00:20:42] Abbey Henderson: Yep. Yeah. Uh, which actually I guess is sort of a segue into what can we all do for ourselves if we find ourself in the middle of grief and perhaps don't have a coach that we can turn to in exactly that moment. 

[00:20:57] Erin Wright: Yeah. Support groups. [00:21:00] I think are really so beneficial support groups because the support that you get in the support group normalizes the experiences.

[00:21:08] Erin Wright: Mm-hmm. I'm a huge fan of journaling, like I love this idea of free, free floating. You know, I hate the way this pen is working and I'm really mad today and this paper's stupid and like just get it all out. I do think finding yourself a supportive community. Here's, here's the truth, grief will not heal in isolation.

[00:21:30] Abbey Henderson: That's really important 

[00:21:32] Erin Wright: for people to hear. It's really important. It will not heal in isolation. And when I say heal, I don't mean it's gonna go away. I mean, we're gonna start living life on our own terms again. But it won't heal in isolation. So whether it's a support group, you know that somebody's hosting, whether it's a friend that you know, won't judge you or try to fix you or make you better, whether it's, you know, leaning into family.

[00:21:56] Erin Wright: But find, find someone, something, [00:22:00] some group that can support you. And books, you know, lots of books. It's okay not to be okay, is one of my favorites. So, PO you know, people love poetry. A lot of people turn to their faith mm-hmm. During times of grief. So leaning into whatever your faith is, whether it's universal or you know, more, whatever your faith is, leaning into that.

[00:22:24] Wendy McConnell: Yeah. So I had a question. I wanted to, uh, chime in. Yeah. If you don't mind. Um, you're saying you can't, um, you can't heal grief and isolation, so, but so, so does turning to the books, does that include non isolation? I mean, I, 'cause I think so many of us. Don't wanna burden other people. So I just think a lot of people will try to keep it isolated.

[00:22:47] Wendy McConnell: So like what? Do you have something to say about that? 

[00:22:51] Erin Wright: So, I mean, that's the whole point, right? Like so many of us don't wanna burden other people. If an avenue to normalizing my [00:23:00] grief is through a book, it's a step. And then maybe I find a support group when I'm ready. And then maybe I talk to my best friend who's not gonna try to fix me, or you know, what I often find, which is very strange.

[00:23:13] Erin Wright: It's a bit of a phenomenon. It's not the best people you know. It's not your best friend that shows up the way you need. Part of that is 'cause they want you to feel better. Mm. And so maybe somebody that has gone through what you've gone through, but the, I think the key is to be open to finding those around you that understand and can support you.

[00:23:35] Erin Wright: And then people come to me because there's nobody around 'em and they're like, crap, I need to find somebody who I can screen with. And so, yeah. Yeah. I'm curious, 

[00:23:47] Abbey Henderson: can a support group 

[00:23:48] Erin Wright: be virtual? Yeah, there's so many support. David Kessler does a beautiful job. I think he's got, I don't know, he's got dozens and dozens of support, groups of different types of loss.

[00:23:58] Erin Wright: So he is got support groups [00:24:00] for, you know, people that have lost children or people that have lost their parents or sisters or all kinds of people who have lost, you know, people to, um. Drug addiction to, to, you know, suicide. So, and most of them are virtual? Yeah, for sure. It's actually, I mean, some people really like the in-person thing, but it actually makes life a little bit easier to go virtual because you don't have to get outta your pajamas if you don't want, you can, you know, keep your camera on or off and Right.

[00:24:33] Erin Wright: Um, just to be in the presence of other people who are grieving too, and to be able to bear witness to that. I think is such a normalizing factor. Um, yeah. 

[00:24:43] Abbey Henderson: I would love to see a world where people's trusted advisors become more of a, a resource in this area too, to hold space. Their financial advisors or their estate planning attorneys, or, I mean, those are probably the two that people grieving end up in front of anyway.[00:25:00] 

[00:25:00] Abbey Henderson: Um, but I think we're a long way off from, from that being. I'm hopeful. Abbey. 

[00:25:05] Erin Wright: I'm hopeful it's under him my way. I'm happy to train. 

[00:25:11] Abbey Henderson: Alright, so if you are that best friend and your instinct is to just make it better, what can you do differently? 

[00:25:19] Erin Wright: Yeah. Uh, such a great question. Uh, back off and I think the most important thing for you to do two things, most important thing for you to do, number one is, um.

[00:25:33] Erin Wright: Don't make it about you. I want you, I'm your best friend, Abbey. I want you to feel better. What can I do to make you feel better? Because then Abbey has the feeling that I have to feel better, um, for you. And so, you know, be spacious. Be spacious. This sucks. I'm not even sure what to do, but I'm gonna sit here with you.

[00:25:55] Erin Wright: See, this makes me emotional again. I'm gonna sit here with you while [00:26:00] you're in pain and I'm not gonna leave. You know, one of the, this is number two. One of the things that people hear a lot is just let me know what you need. Hmm. Nobody's gonna ever let you know what they need. Just do it. I have a whole blog on this, like, just do it.

[00:26:17] Erin Wright: So, you know, if, if I just lost my husband and I've got two little kids, like show up with the meals, you know, show up to pick my kid up for soccer practice and take 'em out for ice cream after come do my. I was gonna swear, but come do my laundry, you know, come mow my lawn. Just do things and trust that. If it's too much, they'll let you know.

[00:26:40] Abbey Henderson: Mm-hmm. 

[00:26:41] Erin Wright: Um, but don't please, don't ever say, let me know what I can do. 'cause it will never happen too much. 

[00:26:51] Abbey Henderson: I've seen advice online and I'd love your opinion on this. Clearly. Just don't say what can I do? I have seen [00:27:00] advice to offer three things and ask someone to pick one. 

[00:27:04] Erin Wright: How do feel about that? I don't love it just because I don't love the idea of giving somebody else another decision to make.

[00:27:10] Erin Wright: Yeah, and it's not trusting them to. If you're, if you're showing up my, at my house for 30 days with meals, and I hate the way you cook, right? It's not trusting you to say, I think I've had enough of the, whatever the casserole, like, I, it's not trusting them. So just know, and people remember that, right? Like, geez, I didn't even, I didn't even know Abbey that well, but she was at my house every day for 30 days.

[00:27:37] Erin Wright: She's, she organized a meal train like that. So beautiful and so meaningful to people. You feel connected to that person, that they were there for you during the time of need. They weren't giving you one more decision to make. 

[00:27:52] Abbey Henderson: Yeah. So I could talk to you probably for another hour, but we have, let's do it next time.

[00:27:59] Abbey Henderson: You might be a [00:28:00] repeat, you might be a repeat guest. Thank you. Uh, if you're willing. But, um, if you. If our listeners on this episode, remember nothing else but like one or two things, what do you want them to remember? 

[00:28:16] Erin Wright: Don't pathologize grief. Know that it's normal. Mm-hmm. If you're needing to hold space for somebody that's going through a big grief, do your own work so that you can be really no kidding.

[00:28:27] Erin Wright: Available for them. The art of witnessing and just being with holding space for. Is the biggest gift and, um, grief won't heal in isolation. 

[00:28:41] Abbey Henderson: Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us. This, this may go down as one of my favorite Wealth Beyond Riches episodes. 

[00:28:49] Erin Wright: See, grief can't, it's not always really, you know, we can have good feelings and good conversations about it.

[00:28:55] Erin Wright: It doesn't always have to be. So terrible, 

[00:28:58] Abbey Henderson: and let's do it when people [00:29:00] aren't in crisis. So we're better prepared for when they are. Love 

[00:29:02] Erin Wright: that. Love that. Well, I appreciate both of you having me. I'm really grateful. 

[00:29:07] Wendy McConnell: So Aaron, how can people get in touch with you if they'd like to learn more about what you offer?

[00:29:13] Erin Wright: Sure. Um, my website is www dot erin wright, E-R-I-N-W-R-I-G-H-T coaches.com. And, um, they can reach out to me there and. Love to talk to anybody that wants to talk grief. 

[00:29:29] Wendy McConnell: All right. For end 

[00:29:30] Erin Wright: of life, for that matter. 

[00:29:32] Wendy McConnell: Thank you Aaron and Abbey, how do people get in touch with you? 

[00:29:36] Abbey Henderson: Uh, I'd love to hear from people, especially on this topic. Um, email is usually best, um, Abbey@abarisfinancialgroup.com. Otherwise, I'm on all the usual places. The website, abarisfinancialgroup.com, LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram. I used to say Twitter, but I guess it's X now. So X. 

[00:29:58] Wendy McConnell: Okay. Yeah. [00:30:00] Alright, well thanks to both of you and thank you for listening today. Please like, follow and share this podcast with your friends. Until next time, I'm Wendy McConnell. 

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