Episode 111: John Kiriakou on the DOAC Podcast, Part 2

Part 2 of last week's episode.

John Kiriakou is suddenly all over your social media and YT feed. Why? He says that he's ex-C!A and you can trust him because he's a whistleblower who went to jail. 🤔

Me: "I'm trying not to be cynical, but........"

Links:

IYCMI: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2289560/episodes/18563407 part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUNoJ32eLBc&t=1s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vault_7

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Midnight_Climax

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Lebanon_electronic_device_attacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

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Transcript

Transcription by Otter.ai.  Please forgive any typos!

Sara Causey concludes her analysis of John Kiriakou's "Diary of a CEO" episode, which has surged from 7.1 million to 8.1 million views in a week. She expresses skepticism about the organic growth and plans to discuss the US-Israel-Iran conflict and the movie "Wag the Dog." Causey highlights Kiriakou's claims about digital insecurity, C!A malware, and sleeper agents, particularly Russian ones. She critiques Kiriakou's evasive answers and his tendency to blame other countries, like Russia and China, for US actions. Causey also questions the authenticity of Kiriakou's claims, suggesting they may be part of a larger narrative control strategy.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

John Kiriakou, Diary of a CEO, 8.1 million views, US-Israel-Iran conflict, Wag the Dog, 1953 Iranian coup, Vault 7 revelations, sleeper agents, MK Ultra, Operation Midnight Climax, Jeffrey Epstein, Monroe Doctrine, China-Taiwan conflict, defense spending, corporate espionage.

Welcome to con-sara-cy theories. Are you ready to ask questions you shouldn't and find information you're not supposed to know? Well, you're in the right place. Here is your host, Sara Causey.

Hello, hello, and thanks for tuning in. In tonight's episode, I'm going to conclude my walk through the diary of a CEO episode about John Kiriakou. It's now up to 8.1 million views. So last week, when I recorded the last episode, it was at like 7.1 and now it's at 8.1 I mean, that could be organic, but I'm super skeptical that it is. When I look through some of the other episodes for the podcast, there were a few outliers that had 10 or 15 million views, but for the most part, they were under five. And even more than that, they range between one and 2 million. So for this particular episode to have 8.1 million views and a million of those just in the past week, I'm not convinced that that's all happening organically. I'm just saying next week I've had to kind of move my schedule for episodes around because of what's going on, the war between the US and Israel versus Iran. I was planning to talk about maybe Roger Stone's book, where he points the finger at LBJ. There's another episode I want to do about Megan and how I think it's predictive programming. I think it's telling us that AI bots, sooner rather than later, are going to be raising kids. That's probably going to be a controversial episode, but it needs to be said. Nevertheless, I had to shove all that stuff to the side because I'm like, here we are. We've got hot, kinetic warfare going on with Iran. This feels like the perfect time to revisit the movie wag the dog. I've never reviewed it for this podcast, and it's definitely time to do so. I'm also going to see if I can track down a copy of the book all the Shaw's men, by Stephen Kinzer, which talks about the 1953 Iranian coup d'etat. If you're not familiar with what happened there, mi six and the Charlie India Alpha worked together to get rid of Mosa day for nationalizing the oil supply. It ultimately wound up benefiting the oil barons and the Charlie India alpha and Great Britain, but not so much in the long run, the Iranian people and it really sowed the seeds of discord that would later give way to the 1979 revolution. So that is what is on the horizon. I had a stockpile for a while of episodes, and that helped me to get ahead on some writing and some other projects that I needed to do. But I'm back recording more or less in real time, and the benefit of that is that it gives me the flexibility to respond a little bit faster when things flare up. So next week, we'll be talking about wag the dog for tonight, settle in, and we will finish our look at what does John Kiriakou have to say on Diary of a CEO, and is it anything we could trust anyway?

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When we left off in the last episode, he was talking about how any of your data can be used, ultimately, to make a case against you, whether it's real or not, it can be framed in such a way that if the Feds want to get you, they can get you. And I is that news? I mean, are there people out there who don't know that? At one point, the host asks him about the security of digital devices, and he's like, Well, they're not secure. And it doesn't even matter about the fox trot Bravo India or the Charlie India Alpha. It's not even about government agencies, like they're just not safe, period. It can be from other governments. It could be from hackers, from criminals. And someone in the comment section was like, if you assume that any of your digital devices is secure anyway, you're insane. And I laughed, and was like, Well, yeah, I think, think we all kind of know that. I feel like my listeners are smarter than the average bear anyway, so all of you know that this, this is not new information. I don't think they segue into talking about the vault seven revelations. I'm going to zoom over to Wikipedia for a second vault seven is a series of documents that WikiLeaks began to publish on March 7, 2017 detailing the activities and capabilities of the agency to perform electronic surveillance and cyber warfare. The files dating from 2013 to 2016 include details on the agency software capability. Such as the ability to compromise cars, smart TVs, web browsers and the operating systems of most smartphones. A Charlie India Alpha internal audit identified 91 malware tools out of more than 500 tools in use in 2016 being compromised by the release the tools were developed by the operation Support Branch of the Charlie India Alpha. End quote. In particular, they seem to be focused on cars, and what could happen if you have a smart car and government or hackers, or whoever gets into that and decides to crash it and you're powerless to stop your own death. From there, they segue into the concept of sleeper agents. And John immediately goes to the Russians. He's like, Oh, the Americans don't do this. I laughed out loud. He's like, the Americans don't do this, but the Russians, oh, they're masters at it. So he tells the story that sounds like it's basically out of spy novel 101, or writing a spy movie screenplay, 101 it's the kind of thing where it's so cliche that if you went and tried to pitch it to an agent, they would tell you, it's lazy. It's jejune. It's been done so many times like go back and think up something original, but it's basically like the Soviets. Well, I'm thinking again of the Cold War because it just sounds like cold war propaganda. To me, like the Russians will go and take a kid who's like two years old and plant them in a fake American town somewhere in Siberia, and it'll be like they have American education, American cultural references. They watch American TV, listen to music and movies, and follow football teams, and they dress the right way, and they speak flawless American English without a Russian accent at all. And then they're sent under a fake ID. The Russians look for some baby who's about the same age that they are that passed away after only being alive for two or three days, they make a fake ID. This person assumes that dead baby's identity, and they come here, and they may live for years, for decades, until they're activated. And the Russian government tells them, you've got to go pop, pop somebody, and then they're expected to do it. The host then asks, so is it possible that the average person, just the average American, out living their lives, doing their thing? Is it possible that they're interacting with someone, whether that's a sleeper agent from the Russians, or it's somebody spying on behalf of the American government? Like, is it possible that the average person has interacted with a spy at some point in their life? And John's like, No, probably not. He backtracks a little and says, you know, if you're working for a defense company or a defense contractor, then yeah, you probably have been around somebody who is committing espionage or wants to. If you're living in Washington, DC, then you probably have encountered a domestic or foreign spy at some point, but you know everybody else in the country, probably not. The host mentions that, as he continues to do his job and to host various podcast guests, he realized that the conspiracy theorists seem to be right more often than they're wrong. So of course, John jumps in and says, You have to remember that it was a former Charlie India Alpha director who coined the term conspiracy theorist to discredit people to make him sound crazy when really they were talking about things that actually existed. He brings up things like MK Ultra and experimenting with drugs and operation grasshopper. And the connection it had to things like mind control and human experimentation, it was also a way for Allen Dulles to discredit people who were asking questions about the pop pop of JFK. That's like the ultimate granddaddy of conspiracy theories, not going all the way back in history, obviously, but when we think about that nomenclature of what is a conspiracy theory. Who is a conspiracy theorist? We can draw a straight line to the murder of JFK, and that's one of the reasons why he comes up so frequently on this podcast. Now it's important to note that John is like, Oh, the agency did weird, crazy shit from like 52 to 75 and I'm like, oh, but only then, only then. They did crazy shit, really. He briefly touches on operation C spray. He never calls it by name, but when he was describing the circumstances, I recognized it immediately. If you're not familiar, let's hop over to Wikipedia. Operation C spray was a 1950 US Navy secret biological warfare experiment in which, and I'm not even going to try to pronounce these bacteria names, but just these two strains of bacteria were sprayed over the San Francisco Bay Area in California in order to determine how vulnerable a city like San Francisco might be to a bio weapon attack. There has been speculation that the experience. Government may have contributed to one death and at least 10 illnesses. End quote, so don't ever think that it's outside the realm of possibility that your government couldn't use you as a guinea pig or a lab rat. Believe me, they could. They can, and they have. They also talk about Operation midnight, climax. So let's go back to Wikipedia. Operation midnight. Climax was an agency sub project of the illegal project MK Ultra, the Charlie India Alpha Mind Control Research Program that began in the 1950s It was initially established in 1954 by Sydney Gottlieb and placed under the direction of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. I was trying to think if I needed to think, if I needed to make an acronym there, but I think we're okay. I think I can get that passed the Federal Bureau of Narcotics in Boston, with the federal narcotics agent and a Charlie India Alpha consultant, George Hunter white, under the pseudonym of Morgan Hall Gottlieb, was a chemist who was the chief of the chemical division of the Office of technical service of the agency. He based his plan for MK Ultra and Midnight Climax on interrogation method research under Project artichoke. Unlike artichoke, Midnight Climax gave Gottlieb permission to test drugs on unknowing citizens, which created the infamous legacy of this operation. Hundreds of federal agents, field operatives and scientists worked on these programs before they were shut down, shut down, supposedly in the 1960s so essentially, what they would do is they would hire prostitutes to go and get John's go and get customers, and then they would drug the johns and see what happened. Obviously, they didn't know what was going on. They were just signing up to have sex. They didn't realize that they were going to be dosed with psychotropic drugs. Now, even though this was before the war officially hot, warfare officially broke out between the US and Israel and then Iran, he brings up the host, brings up Iran. He's sort of like, well, you know, the agency has been involved in coups in the past. Do you think they're involved here? John hedges a bit and says probably, but then he immediately goes to the Israelis, and he's like, Oh, the Israelis are heavily involved in it. And I've noticed he does that. Like, if you sit and really analyze the episode, if you're just casually listening to it while you're doing the dishes or you're walking the dog, you might not pick up on it, necessarily, but sitting here at the computer being focused on this particular episode to review it for my podcast. It's like, he does that, he gets asked a question, and he'll give a superficial answer and then immediately turn it to somebody else. Well, yeah, sleeper agents, but the Russians. Well, yeah, the Charlie India alpha, but the Israelis. And it's like, well, that's not what we asked you. Dude. The host asks John if he's ever killed anyone. He says, No. He says, my own children have asked me that, and I'm proud to say that I've never taken any direct action that directly led to the killing of another human being. Then he goes, but there is one kind of half exception.

He tells the story in like 1993 of Colin Powell calling and asking to speak directly to him, and asking him, like, if the Iraqi government was going to try to murder Poppy, who would they send? How would they do it? So he gives them that information, and then they send cruise missiles to that location, but they hit in the middle of the night, and the only person in the building at that point was a janitor. So he's like, I do feel bad because the information that I provided killed a janitor. He wasn't even somebody committing the T word. He was just a guy cleaning the building. I could be wrong, but this story, to me, is another example of his where it feels to me, in my opinion, which could be wrong, that he's performing vulnerability like I gave the government this information. I mean, what are you going to do? General Colin Powell is on the phone saying that somebody wants to kill Poppy, who, at 1993 was a former president, and I thought I was giving them the Intel to kill a stone cold baddie. I didn't realize that they were going to murder an innocent janitor. And I just feel so awful about it. The host asks if the Charlie India Alpha still pop pops people, and he immediately says yes. He goes back to the Obama administration and talks about how John Brennan had what he called the Tuesday morning kill list, or the Tuesday morning kill meeting. So there's that now he admits that they're only supposed to be pop popping people who present a clear and present danger to the United States or American citizens, but that's an awfully vague term. I also want to interject that this is further proof that Obama's administration, I mean, in case you needed it, but it's further proof that the Obama administration was just a continuation of what was going on in the bush Cheney years. And I've said before that I don't really think W was running much of anything. I think if you were alive and an adult at that point in time, which I was, you kind of knew that Cheney Rumsfeld was really the ticket, which is not to say. That Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, the buck really stopped with them, or that they're part of the most elite level of power, or they were part of the most elite level of power, I should say. But the point I'm making is I feel like W was just this clownish figurehead who trotted out front, and then by the time Obama shows up and he's making like a worldwide apology tour, going, Hey, I know that our last president was a buffoon, and we're sorry. People really swallowed the line of hope and change, and it's all going to be different now, and it wasn't. They pretty quickly shift from Obama back to the Israelis. It seems like he is pretty adamant in this episode that he'll talk freely and point fingers at the Russians, the Chinese and the Israelis. And he pretty clearly says, like, oh, they have wild like, wild west intelligence programs. We're we're more civilized, more docile than that, in America. But you know these other people, Oh, my God, look at what they're doing. So John and the host both absolutely geek out over operation grim beeper. If you're not familiar, let's go back for a minute to Wikipedia. And it's the 2024 Lebanon electronic device attacks on September 17 and 18th. 2020 4000s, of handheld pagers and hundreds of walkie talkies intended for use by Hezbollah exploded simultaneously in two separate events across Lebanon and Syria in an Israeli attack nicknamed operation grim beeper. According to an unnamed Hezbollah official, the attack took 1500 Hezbollah fighters out of action due to injuries. According to the Lebanese Government, the attack killed 42 people, including 12 civilians, and injured 4000 civilians. Victims had injuries, including losing fingers, hands and eyes as well as brain shrapnel. The incident was described as Hezbollah's biggest security breach since the start of the Israel Hezbollah conflict in October 2023 he again points the finger at Israel, saying, if they want to get to one target, they'll blow up the entire block. If they have to kill 100 or 1000 people to get to 1t word, they will do it. And then they look at the international community and say, What are you going to do? Go to do? Go to the International Court of Justice. Just suck it up and deal with it. He's also quick to say that America gives like 95% of its defense intelligence to Israel. Anyway, there's very little left kept close to the chest. And I was wondering like, Okay, well, where is going other than scapegoating somebody else, you know, good, bad or indifferent, true, false, whatever. There's a definite like, I don't want to answer questions really about America, because as soon as we start talking about the United States, I want to talk about Russia instead, or I want to talk about China, or I want to talk about Israel, or I want to try to make it seem like if somebody's working for the Charlie India alpha, even if they're kind of rough and they've done some shitty things, they're not as bad as Mossad. And then we we start to maneuver into, I think the answer to that question, because the host brings up Epstein, and he's like, do you think Epstein was a spy? And that gives John the opportunity to say, Yes, I think Epstein was a spy, or I feel strongly that he probably was okay. Who do you think he was working for? Well, he was probably a spy and he was probably working for the Israelis. So it's like, okay. Now we get to the climax, if you will. It's like, all right. So we've been going down this road, yeah, America has done some stuff, but look at all the other guys that are worse. Look at how much worse they are. Oh, and by the way, Epstein was probably one of them, and it's like, how much of anything that you are saying is trustworthy. You're not exactly coming out and spilling the guts of what is going on in the United States and what our sins have been. You're just more or less pointing at everybody else. He starts talking about how Epstein had cameras in every room that mansion, or whatever you want to call it, on the creepy Island, there were cameras everywhere, including the bathroom, so somebody couldn't even use the toilet in private. And he asked the question, why would that be unless you were going to get information to use, unless you were going to get compromised against somebody? Because why would Epstein really care if it was just a bunch of rich guys partying and screwing around and taking drugs? What would be the need to film that, unless it was going to be used for extortion? And then he very quickly says, the Russians and the Israelis are the only ones left doing extortion. I'm long pausing there on purpose. Do you really believe that's true? Only the Russians and the Israelis do compromise. They're the only ones left that do honey pot scandals. They're the only ones left that will film somebody in. Compromising position taking drugs or having sex with a hooker. Really, really. He says that governments can launder money easily and basically with impunity. I believe that. I think he's probably telling the truth on that. That seems like a statement of the obvious. He says that real estate, fine art and resources would be the three easiest ways in modernity for governments to launder money and clean it and really not leave much of a paper trail. And if they did, who's going to look who would really probe that deeply at the risk of having their throat cut or being disappeared? He says that Alex Acosta, who was the prosecutor whenever Epstein was tried for his first round of I'm gonna have to abbreviate this a little bit, because, again, I don't, I don't want to get pulled off the air. But whenever he he had that first trial for sa crimes against minors, and he was told, like the Attorney General instructed me to make sure that Epstein got a sweetheart deal, and John is like, well, who's the only person that could tell the attorney general to make an edict like that? It would be the president. And then why would the President do that? It makes sense if you assume that he's a spy. And I'm like, Yeah, but he doesn't even necessarily have to be an Israeli spy. He could have been. And so the host asks, like, Well, is it possible that he was a double agent. And John's like, yeah, he could have been a double agent. He could have been working for the US and for Israel. It's totally possible.

The host asks him, who's the real adversary of the West. So we pretty rapidly go into Jeffrey Epstein, and then we pretty rapidly go away. It goes from Oh, he got this sweetheart deal and what? What was going on? What's the connection there between he and the President? Whether you want to talk about president's past or present, it doesn't, doesn't even really matter at this point. But what was going on with Epstein? Who is he really working for? It would make sense if he was financed, bankrolled by a government, by an intelligence agency, and so forth. We rapidly careen out of that into who's the real adversary of the West? And John says it's China. The host asks about Venezuela and Greenland and like, what? What's, what's going on with all of that? And John brings up the Monroe Doctrine. Let's go back for a moment to Wikipedia, if you're not familiar with this concept, the Monroe Doctrine is a United States foreign policy position that opposes any foreign interference in the Western Hemisphere, originally concerning European colonialism. It holds that any intervention in the political affairs of the Americas by foreign powers is a potentially hostile act against the United States. The Doctrine was central to American grand strategy in the 20th century. President James Monroe first articulated the doctrine on December 2, 1823 during his seventh annual State of the Union Address to Congress. At the time, nearly all Spanish colonies in the Americas had either achieved or were close to independence. Monroe asserted that the new world and the old world were to remain distinctly separate spheres of influence, and thus further efforts by European powers to control or influence sovereign states in the region would be viewed as a threat to us security. In turn, the United States would recognize and not interfere with existing European colonies, nor meddle in the internal affairs of European countries. So one of the things that John is talking about is like whenever Trump got Maduro and then said, like, he's been an international drug trafficker, he invoked the Monroe Doctrine, saying, like, what's going on in Venezuela is a threat to the United States, and I guess by proxy, like, the need to have Greenland. If we don't have it, it's a threat to the United States. And so he says, this turned diplomacy on its head. What I would add to that? I mean, as somebody who's a biographer of Dag hammarsk, somebody who is a proponent of quiet diplomacy and preventive diplomacy, I don't even think that diplomacy figures into it. I think diplomacy has become such a hollow word in modernity. It's not about trying to really solve any problems. It's about how fast can we smash the war button? And John does bring up a good point of like, there will be a place, a space and time, where China is going to take Taiwan back, and does the US really want to send troops? Do we really want to send your kids, your grandkids, into the theater of war over that? If they want to, trust me, they will look at what's going on in Iran right now, the American people, by and large, don't want it. But what choice do we have if they say we're going to war, we're going to war now. An interesting point that he makes. He says that the Chinese basically own Africa right now, because he talks about the US going in and doing regime change and having an attitude, almost like a cowboy busting in in a Western. Movie playing, shoot them up, whereas the Chinese are playing a much longer game. He says that they will fund buildings and infrastructure and highways and things of that nature because they want you to owe them something. I think it merits looking into this idea of Does, does China own most of most of Africa right now, is that Western disinformation, or is that true? That's that's something that merits further research and might be a good episode to do in the future. So as they wrap up, he says that he feels like America is defense spending into oblivion. I guess the current budget for the Pentagon is 1 trillion, and for next year, Trump wants it to be a trillion and a half, which, considering that right now, we have hot, kinetic warfare going on, and only God knows what could be happening by next year. Who could really be surprised by that? But he's making a valid point here, that we are spending ourselves into oblivion, and the Chinese are more than happy to let us do it. But what happens at some point, if the bill comes due, like we're just spending and spending and spending, there's all this fiat currency going out into the world, but what? What's going to happen at some point when they say the money train is not rolling anymore and it's time for you to start paying us back, then what? And that's a scary proposition all its own. Toward the end, the host always likes to ask people, What is something that you stopped doing? And he says, I stopped feeling sorry for myself. For a while. I felt like I was unemployable. And he mentions at that point that he had worked for corporate America as a corporate spy, doing industrial espionage on competitor companies. And I'm like, Wow, this story just gets crazier and crazier as it goes along. So he feels like, I can't ever work for the government again. I can't work for corporate America. What can I do? And he decides to make a career for himself as a podcaster, as I guess, a professional guest, in some respects, a book author, a newspaper columnist and so forth. Again, I want to be careful about about how I say this, but it's like that didn't surprise me. His response did not surprise me. I think you always want to follow the money, and that's part of what I would question. It's like how I opened the first episode talking about, in my opinion, once a spy, always a spy. I don't think you can ever really take the agency out of somebody that's like what David Talbot talks about in the devil's chess board after Kennedy fired Dulles, he was busier in so called retirement than he was when he was in active service. I just, I don't think that that mentality comes out of people after they've been brainwashed to do it. And I also don't know about this idea of, well, I was just sitting around and didn't know what to do, so I just said, by God, I'm going to pull myself up by my bootstraps and make my own career. How do we know that that career wasn't engineered for him? I mean, 8.1 million views, it's up 1 million from the last time I tuned in last week. I don't think that's organic. I could be wrong. This is just my opinion, but I don't think that's organic growth. I think it's being hyped. I do. Some of the people in the comment section, in my opinion, are absolutely right on the money. They say things like common sense here. If this was damaging information, you would not be seeing this right now. Exactly. Another person says, Keep in mind, by his own admission, he is a trained liar. If the Charlie India Alpha didn't want this information out there, John would have been clipped a long time ago. He asked him if the Charlie India alpha would plant X agents into podcast, and he switched topics immediately. In the same sentence, Charlie India Alpha whistleblower, sounds like the most we have done stuff that we don't want you to find out, so we'll keep you distracted with stuff that doesn't really affect us anymore. Another person has written, he's still Charlie India alpha with a Laugh Emoji. Someone else writes, I wish you asked him if he'd lied to you during this interview. Whoever who has ever thought our devices was were secure is crazy. Just remember, no actual Charlie India Alpha whistleblower that says, what's not on? The script exists. This is allowed to make you think you're finding out the secret information. The actual secret info stays secret. My radar says this guy is lying to me. The Charlie India alpha is a group of psychopaths and pathological liars. When he said that the Charlie India Alpha won't trade drugs in order to get what they want. I knew he was lying. Did you have to get that far in November? Though? No. Somebody else writes. If he is a trained liar, I'm having problems in trusting his words. Wow. He says this world is so dark, bro, yeah, it is. It is. So what do you think? I mean, I've given you my basic opinion, which is, once an agent, always an agent. I agree with the people in the comment section. If this was really damaging, we wouldn't be allowed to know it. It's, in my opinion, it's spin of some kind. I also don't think that this guy just Chucky darn Goodness gracious. You know, he came out of nowhere and he did this thing and he couldn't get a career, so he just said, You know what, I'm going to make myself a professional guest. I'm going to make myself a celebrity. And it and it just happened by gum. I don't personally believe that to be true. It's a free country. Well, I mean, not really, but theoretically, it's a free country. You're entitled to your opinion. You may watch the episode and have a completely different conclusion than me. You may think he's being honest, and he did something brave and heroic, obviously, if, if he did blow the whistle on torture and the torture stopped, then that would be a great story. That would be something heroic. Indeed, I'm just not convinced that that's the story. Throw rotten tomatoes at me in the pillory if you want to. But I just don't trust this information. I think we get some nuggets of good information here, and if you put the episode on, like 1.5 or 2x and listen to it quickly, so that you don't have to actually spend two hours of your life getting into it, it might be worth your time to get a few things here and there. I also think just watching the way that he manipulates the language is useful. Like, I'm going to start out talking about America, but then I'm going to rapidly veer into talking about Russia or China or Israel. That gives us another page of the playbook, like pretend to answer the question, and then immediately veer off topic into something else to blame the other guy. Watch the episode and judge for yourself. Stay a little bit crazy, and I'll see you next time.

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