Episode 119: Why is Peter Thiel Obsessed with the Antichrist?

People will say, "I don't believe in Armageddon. I don't believe in any such person as the Antichrist." It's not really about what you or I believe. 

Why is Peter Thiel, a co-founder of PayPal and Palantir, and Facebook's first external investor, hyped up about the Antichrist? Does that not seem weird and possibly CREEPY to you? 

Links:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/secret-service-says-shot-man-white-house-allegedly-fired-officers-rcna343557

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel

https://www.ms.now/opinion/peter-thiel-antichrist-evangelism-christianity-billionaires

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/10/peter-thiel-lectures-antichrist

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/peter-thiel-billionaires-abandoning-humanity/

https://jacobin.com/2025/10/peter-thiel-would-be-philosopher-king-takes-on-democracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um-TVmzzK_g

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

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Sara Causey explores Peter Thiel's obsession with the Antichrist, questioning his sincerity and motives. She discusses Thiel's extensive background, including his co-founding of PayPal, Palantir Technologies, and his significant investments. Causey highlights Thiel's controversial ties, such as his association with Jeffrey Epstein and his lectures in Rome on the Antichrist. She connects Thiel's views to his political and technological interests, suggesting he sees peace and technological restraint as threats. Causey also touches on the broader implications of mass surveillance and the potential for authoritarian control, urging listeners to stay informed and cautious.

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Peter Thiel, Antichrist obsession, mass surveillance, Palantir Technologies, PayPal, Jeffrey Epstein, political influence, libertarianism, Nazi sympathies, technological progress, global conflict, one world order, predictive policing, smart wall, conspiracy theories.

Welcome to con-sara-cy theories. Are you ready to ask questions you shouldn't and find information you're not supposed to know? Well, you're in the right place. Here is your host, Sara Causey.

Hello, hello, and thanks for tuning in. In tonight's episode, I want to ask the question, why is Peter Thiel obsessed with the Antichrist? And I know some of you will say, I don't believe in Armageddon. I don't believe in any such person as the Antichrist. So why should I care? Respectfully, it's not about what you believe, just like it's not about what I believe, either. We're talking about somebody with an insane amount of money, power and influence, a king maker, an oligarch maker. Why is this guy in a position of power obsessed with the Antichrist? Is that not weird and creepy? Is he sincere about it, or is this a psyop? Is it window dressing of some kind? Select your frosty beverage of choice, and we will saddle up and take this disturbing ride.

Just a reminder, Sara's award-winning biography of Dag Hammarskjold, Decoding the Unicorn, is available on Amazon. Her next nonfiction project, Simply Dag, will release on July 29th. To learn more about her other works, please visit SaraCausey.com. Now, back to the show.

Before I can even dive into the subject of Peter Thiel yesterday, I guess later in the day, the news broke that the shush service agents fired on a man who was near the White House. Allegedly, this man's name is Michael Marks, and he's a 45 year old man who holds a Texas driver's license. And it's like, why is this stuff supposedly happening basically every day now, we also now have some high def 4k video of the supposed pop popper at the White House Correspondents Dinner like the night before. He's casing the hotel. He's just walking around looking suspicious in dark clothing. And I'm like, Okay, wait a second. Initially, we had grainy video that looked like something from a Circle K gas station in the 1980s now we have it in crystal clear, 4k high def video for your viewing pleasure, this guy there's going to be a high profile event the next day, and yet he's walking around the night before in dark clothing, so called casing the joint, and he's on security camera footage. Why would nobody intervene? I mean, there's been all of this. If you see something, say something, why would security not say? What the hell are you doing down here? Dude? Who are you and What's your business here? You can bet that if somebody who actually wasn't involved went down there and tried to do that stuff. They would be questioned in a heartbeat. We also see these Keystone cop looking guys dismantling a metal detector. When this dude comes off an elevator, bum rushes everybody and goes through again before it was in this grainy, 1980s looking VHS tape video. Now we've got it crystal clear. Isn't it funny how that type of thing emerges just when you need it, things that make you say, hmm. Now I talked about all of that last week whenever I was trying to get into the meat and potatoes of John Carpenter's excellent film, they live. I also talked about Keith David's character, Frank, and how Frank really represents the person who has the scales on his eyes, and he's aware that he does but he doesn't want to take them off. There's that back alley brawl between Frank and nada, where nada is trying so hard to get him to put the sunglasses on so he can see the world as it actually is. And Frank is like, I don't want to wake up. I've got a wife, I've got kids. I need this job. I'm just trying to survive. It's difficult enough for me to pay my bills and keep steady work, keep some money flowing back to my loved ones. I don't want to wake up. I'm aware that you've put these glasses on and you've seen some shit, man, but I don't want to fucking go there and you can't make me. And that's when the brawl ensues. To me, Frank's character is actually one of the most compelling in the entire movie, because he represents so many people, people who have a base. Level of awareness that the world is not what they thought it was when they were growing up. They've heard about Teffrey Tepstein, and they've heard about all of these terrible things that have gone on, and they maybe even know about some of the operations that have been handled by the Charlie India Alpha. Maybe they're aware of things like MK Ultra, but they just want to put the blinders back on. It's like I can't fully wake up to this. I can't cope with it. I can't deal with it. I'd rather just stay on the surface and not pay attention to anything else. And so when we hear about somebody like Peter Thiel being obsessed with the Antichrist, it's very easy to say, my plate is full. I don't have the time or the bandwidth or the mental space to even contemplate why some king maker oligarch or oligarch maker guy is obsessed with a character like the Antichrist, and yet it's super important that you do. They're counting on you being in a malaise. They're counting on you writing it off as religious twaddle or crazy nonsense. If you do that, in my opinion, you're doing it at your own peril. If you're not familiar with Peter Thiel, I want to hop over to Wikipedia, just for ease of use, so that we have a good synopsis to rely on. And by the way, the name, if you're going to Google it or DuckDuckGo it whatever, whatever you're planning to do, it's not t, e, a, l, that's how it said, like the color teal. It's T, H, I, E, L, and we'll, we'll get to maybe why that's significant. Peter Andreas Teal is a German and American entrepreneur, venture capitalist and conservative political activist, a co founder of PayPal, Palantir technologies and Founders Fund. He was also the first outside investor in Facebook, according to The New York Times, as of December 2025 thiel's estimated net worth stood at 27 point 5 billion, with a B billion, placing him among the 100 richest individuals in the world. Let's pause there just for a second, because somebody we're living in a time now where somebody can have 27, and a half billion dollars and be in the richest 100 I'm just long pausing because, you know, the WEF has said it's gonna be that long before We have the world's first trillionaire, the amount of money that these people have is staggering in comparison to people that are living paycheck to paycheck. They're just trying to get by. You think about the very low threshold for what the federal poverty level is, and then you think about this guy has 27 and a half billion dollars, and is only considered to be in the top 100 Holy shit. I'll continue to read. Born in Germany. Teal was taken to the US by his parents when he was one year old. In 1971 his family moved to South Africa, then Southwest Africa, before moving back to the US in 1977 after graduating from Stanford, teal worked as a clerk, a securities lawyer, a speech writer and a derivatives trader at Credit Suisse. He founded Thiel Capital Management in 1996 and co founded PayPal with Max Levchin and Luke Nosek in 1998 he was PayPals Chief Executive Officer until its sale to eBay in 2002 for one and a half billion dollars. Teal then founded clarium capital, a global macro hedge fund based in San Francisco. In 2003 he launched Palantir Technologies, a big data analysis company, and has been its chairman since its inception in August. 2004 teal became Facebook's first outside investor by acquiring a 10.2% stake in the company for $500,000 in 2005 he launched Founders Fund with PayPal partners Ken Howie and Luke Nosek. He co founded valor ventures in 2010 founded teal capital in 2011 co founded mithril capital in 2012 was an investment committee chair in 2012 and was a part time partner at Y Combinator from 2015 to 2017 he was granted New Zealand citizenship in 2011 which became controversial when made public in 2017 Thiel has been described as perhaps America's leading public intellectual today, okay, or an intellectual architect of Silicon Valley's contemporary ethos. I think the latter is probably more significant better than the former others debate the consistency or morality of his views, variously described as a conservative libertarian and a democracy skeptic, authoritarian. Wow. A lot to unpack there. Thiel has made substantial. Donations to American right wing figures and causes through the teal foundation. Teal governs the grant making bodies, breakout labs and teal fellowship emails related to the activities of child offender Jeffrey Epstein released by the House Oversight Committee in 2026 revealed that valor ventures accepted $40 million from Epstein, and that teal corresponded with Epstein for five years before Epstein's death, including on the topic of Brexit. I'm gonna stop reading for a minute because I want to tell you a story I debated on whether or not I should even discuss this on the air, but I'm going to years ago, I had a little gap in employment. There was a job I had that was ending and there was another job that I was going to take, but there was going to be a one month gap in the summertime between job a coming to an end and job B beginning, and at that time, I was living paycheck to paycheck, and I could not go four weeks without a paycheck. It would have caused me to run up some credit card debt. And I was like, it just makes more sense for me to work as much as I would like to have four weeks off to lay around the house and do nothing. I'll get out of my routine. I'll start sleeping too late, staying up too late at night. It's just better for me. All the way around to work, and I found a temp job that was going to last the exact appropriate amount of time. They knew that I was going to be leaving. They only needed somebody for one month, so and the pay was really good too. So it worked out all the way around. At this job, it was in a fairly good sized high rise building, by Midwest standards, okay, not a high rise by, you know, if you're in New York City, for example, but by Midwest standards, it was in, you know, a fairly good sized high rise building. And on one of the top floors they had a gym that was accessible only to people who worked in the building, and because I had a temporary badge, I could go up and use this gym. And it wasn't anything super elaborate. They basically had a walking track, an indoor walking track, locker rooms, and then some pretty simple Nautilus equipment so you could lift weights if you wanted to. It wouldn't be the same thing as going to, like, a power lifting or a bodybuilding gym where dudes are, like, slinging iron around, but you could lift some weights and you could get a walk in. So I went up there one day to walk, and I had just come out of the ladies locker room, and I, you know, had on my workout clothes and everything, and some walking shoes, and I was just going to walk the track for 30 or 45 minutes, take a quick shower, go back down and go to work. And there was this guy who even thinking about him now, my skin still crawls the way that he looked at me, and it wasn't just like old creepy perv is leering at young, attractive gal who's in her 20s. It wasn't just that, I'm telling you, it was something much more sinister and much more sadistic than that. It unnerved me terribly. I barely made one loop around that track before I just said I'm getting the hell out of here. And I went back, got my work clothes on, and left, and I never for the entire rest of the month. And I'm a worker outer I like to exercise. I exercise every day. I never went back to that gym because of that guy. He unnerved me that bad. Now here's the rest of the story about this dude. As it turns out, much to my not happy surprise, he worked in the same company and on the same floor as this company that I was working for as a temp. Now, fortunately, he was on the other side. I didn't see a whole lot of him, but I did see him occasionally, and he would always give me the creeps. He made my flesh crawl. There are just some people that whenever you get around them, however it is you want to think about it, your spidey senses, your sixth sense, women's intuition, God the Holy Spirit, Source Energy, whatever that trips your trigger and lets you know, get away from this person. They're not they're not a nice person. They don't mean you Well, get out of here. And, oh, I just tried to get away from him, and I looked him up to find out his name, like, Who is this guy and what does he do? I found his name, which I will not mention here, and I also looked him up. I looked at his resume and like, what, what did he do for the company? And I started to see he had it. He had a German name. Just leave it at that. And I started to see all of his history in South America. And. And I remember sitting down one day and having a conversation with my friend John. My friend John and I have have been friends ever since he and I worked together at that place. And I said, this guy gives me the creeps. And he said, Oh yeah, he gives me the creeps too. I anytime that I'm around him, it just makes my flesh crawl. And I said, based on what I have seen about this guy's background, the types of places that he was in South America, I would put $1,000 meanwhile, I scarcely add $1,000 to my Name, which I think. And I'm not a betting woman, so I'm really bringing that up to say, like I was dead serious about all this. I told John, I was like, I would put $1,000 cash money on the table right now that that bastard is not more than one generation away from Schutz toffel. And John was like, I'm not going to take that bet, because I think you're right. The moral of the story is, I did some further research. And I was right. It's not a wonder that that Freako made my skin crawl, oh, like he really was, like he really was, I've said before, it's like when you get up in the halls of power, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a fascist or a Nazi, you just can't. So I'm going to continue to read under the Wikipedia tab Early life and education. Peter Andreas teal was born in Frankfurt, Hesse, then part of West Germany, on October 11, 1967 to Klaus Friedrich, teal and Suzanne, teal, the family immigrated to the United States when Peter was one year old, and lived in Cleveland, Ohio, where his father worked as a chemical engineer. Things that make you go hmm. Klaus worked for various mining companies, which created an itinerant upbringing for teal and his younger brother Patrick Thiel and his mother later naturalized as US citizens, whereas his father did not before settling in Foster City, California. In 1977 the Thiel family lived in South Africa and Southwest Africa, modern day Namibia. In the time of apartheid, Peter changed Elementary School seven times. He attended a German language school in swacht opmund For two years that required students to wear uniforms and employed corporal punishment, such as striking students hands with a ruler. He said this experience instilled a distaste for uniformity and regimentation, later reflected in his support for individualism and libertarianism. Wait for it. Wait for it. The German community in SWaCH upland was known at the time for its continued glorification of Nazism. Yeah, you know, I'm going to say something else, and I got to really think about how I want to say it. When I've talked before about the White Russian community in Dallas, you know, we start talking about the murder of JFK and George de Moran shield and the so called White Russian community in Dallas at the time. Sometimes not going to say, Everybody okay, I'm just going to tell you some times, in some situations, when a person says White Russian, it's a dog whistle, and what it really means is expat Nazi, Nazi sympathizer. That's what it really fucking means in some cases, not every case, but sometimes, and in some cases, in some quarters of South Africa, I have sadly found that you do find a high concentration of German expats, and it doesn't take long to scratch the surface and find out why they're there and where their sympathies lie. And I'll just leave it at that. I think that's probably the most that I can safely say. I'm going to skip down now to the early career tab. After graduating from Stanford Law School, teal was a law clerk to Judge James Larry Edmondson of the US Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit from 92 to 93 wait for it. Teal then worked as a securities lawyer for Sullivan and Cromwell in New York. Why is Sullivan and Cromwell significant? If you don't already know, maybe you're a brand new tuner inner it's worth noting for you that Allen and John Foster Dulles were both employed by Sullivan and Cromwell. All, there are numerous controversies linking Sullivan and Cromwell to IG Farben and Nazi Germany, as well as the 1954 Guatemalan coup d'etat. So isn't it? Isn't it interesting that of all the places in the world that we could find Peter Thiel, Sullivan and Cromwell would pop up on the list things that make you say, hmm. So suffice it to say for now, this guy has a rather interesting background, a background that I personally, in my opinion, would categorize as disturbing. I'm going to go now to ms dot now and pull up the Op Ed what Peter thiel's Antichrist lectures are really about. The byline reads in a series of sold out lectures in Rome, the tech billionaire and Republican mega donor preaches a gospel of fear. This was published earlier this year on March 24 most people would hesitate to teach a theology in Rome if they lack the requisite qualifications and degrees. That hasn't stopped Peter Thiel, the billionaire tech investor and Republican mega donor, whose lectures on the Antichrist have been the hottest heretical ticket in the city for months, held at the Palazzo Taverna in Rome, just a stone's throw from the Vatican, his sold out lectures are not only about garnering attention to his ideas, but also drawing others outside the technocratic and political worlds into embracing his philosophy. These lectures have been reported on widely by many international publications, and were even lampooned on an episode of South Park last October, and according to multiple reports that includes the belief that the people who strive for peace work for justice. I'm Sara, I almost can't even get this out. Let me start over. And according to multiple reports that includes the belief that the people who strive for peace work for justice and want to embrace diversity are to blame for Western civilization's supposed ongoing collapse. Thiel's religious beliefs are a mishmash of his political and personal beliefs about technology, civilization, race and democracy, and his views on the Antichrist range from the disturbing to the nonsensical. For example, He has said that he believes the Antichrist will push the world toward peace using the fear of war. He also thinks the Antichrist would use peace to slow down or even stop technological advances. He said it's possible that climate change activist Greta Thunberg and other critics could be Legionnaires of the Antichrist. Wow. Okay. In another paragraph, this author writes there are some things that a billionaire can't buy, an understanding of theology without rigorous study. Is one of them, the man who made his fortune with PayPal and is building an even greater fortune by bringing artificial intelligence to government surveillance with Palantir, hello, isn't obsessed with the Antichrist in The Exorcist sense. His interests are instead an esoteric mash up of teachings from the late French academic Rene girards, mimetic theory and the Nazi jurist Carl Schmitt. Imagine that and the Nazi jurist Carl Schmidt, who argued that modern thought is a secular belief rather than a religious complex. You know, just keep saying it, guys, it's like you you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Nazi. The Guardian published an article about these lectures last October because he was giving some in San Francisco as well. Evidently, this is a topic that has been on Peter thiel's mind for a while. Under the tab, what do thiel's lectures say? And of course, I'll drop a link to all these articles. Please go and check them out for yourself. Under the tab, what do TEALS lectures say? They actually have a disclaimer that says the Guardian is publishing substantial quoted passages alongside contextual annotations, so that the public may be informed on what an influential figure in politics and technology was saying behind closed doors. He believes the Armageddon will be ushered in by an antichrist type figure who cultivates a fear of existential threats such as climate change, AI and nuclear war to a mass inordinate power. The idea is this figure will convince people to do everything they can to avoid something like a third world war, including accepting a one world order charged with protecting everyone from the apocalypse that implements a complete restriction of technological progress. So said by, I'm just editorializing here, but it's like so said by somebody who has a vested interest in technological progress and AI and all of that right, in his mind, this is already happening. Thiel said that the international financial bodies, which make it more difficult for people to shelter their wealth and tax havens, are. This is beautiful satire. I mean, what the hell man did we at some point pull off the road and go into Idiocracy? I'm having difficulty reading this. Teal said that international financial bodies, which have made it more difficult for people to shelter their wealth and tax havens are one sign the Antichrist may be amassing power and hastening Armageddon, saying it's become quite difficult to hide one's money. How does Thiel think Armageddon will happen? Thiel rarely gives a definitive answer about who exactly the Antichrist might be or how Armageddon might come about. A central point across his lectures is that nothing is written in stone or inevitable, but he does give the contours of what a global conflict that could lead to Armageddon might look like. So he mentions things like the nature of the conflict between the United States and China, the West and China, nuclear powers involving nuclear weapons, a total catastrophe, possibly literal Armageddon, the end of the world, world war three and so forth. Thiel devotes a large section of his second lecture to to a quote from the book of Daniel that involves a prophecy about the end times, which he equates to modern advances in technology and globalization. As the Antichrist is synonymous with a one world state for teal. He also believes that international bodies, including the United Nations and the international criminal court or ICC, hasten the coming of Armageddon. Throughout his lectures, he warns of what he sees as the danger of these bodies and the harms they have already caused. Who could be thiel's antichrist? Thiel believes that the Antichrist would be a single evil tyrant. He mentioned several figures he believes are particularly dangerous. And while he never definitively says who the Antichrist is, he makes suggestions about how some people could be Antichrist type figures. Specifically, he suggests the Antichrist would be a Luddite who wants to stop all science in an article published by the published, if I can speak properly, in an article public, this is just so crazy. Y'all, I'm sorry. I mean, it's not funny, because they're coming for us. But at the same time, what, what an interesting time to be alive. In an article published by the nation in June of last year, the billionaires are abandoning humanity. Peter Thiel and his friends feel they no longer belong to our species. Also, last October, Jacobin published an article Peter Thiel would be philosopher king takes on democracy. The byline reads billionaire Peter Thiel insists that freedom and democracy are incompatible, and his portfolio of data mining and political bets puts that belief into practice. His is a program of authoritarian control disguised as innovation. The author, Whitney Webb was recently on the Chris Hedges report talking about the teal verse and mass surveillance and the surveillance state, and they go all the way back to the Reagan years and I ran Contra. I do plan, at some point to get more into the sins of the Reagan era. Poppy Bush, W all of that. I mean, there's a treasure trove of information we haven't gotten into Iran. Contra definitely is part of that. What happened to Gary Webb and so forth. For the time being, we've got to we've got to try to stay on Peter Thiel, so she takes it back to this man named John Poindexter, who was a former Reagan era National Security Advisor. He directed DARPA, or the Defense Advanced Research Project agency's Information Awareness office and the total Information Awareness Program, post 911, the TIA aimed to create a massive, virtual, centralized, grand database to analyze personal financial and educational records To, as we are told, supposedly, detect foreign T words foreigners, boogie men, people who might want to do T word attacks on American soil. They were going to develop data mining and profiling technologies to scan all of these different databases to create a risk profile of individuals. Now, back at that time, you have to think about the environment before and then after 911, it is crazy to me to think that they're adults. They're grown ass adults living their life today. They don't remember 911, they don't remember Bush v gore and the hanging chad and all. That it is astonishing to me. I'm like, well, there's so much that y'all have missed. So before 911 you had people that were more likely to say, we have a right to privacy. After 911 you had more people that were like, I'll do anything to feel safe, because you had the T word attacks, you had the anthrax and all of that, and you had people that were like, well, if we have to give up civil liberties for this to not ever happen again, then maybe it's worth it. This project initially faced backlash because the fear was it would be turned against the foreign boogeyman and the T word people, and it would be used to monitor American citizens. Poindexter was controversial because he lied and was convicted for lying to Congress during the Iran Contra affair. Now I believe that his conviction was later overturned. Kel suprees, because it's like, who really sees justice in these situations? If somebody's really powerful, they're not going to be brought to justice. So this initial branding of total information awareness later gets rebranded as T word information awareness to massage the fear of the public like it's not total anymore, which would certainly include everybody on the planet. It's just t words, it's it's foreigners, it's bad guys, it's T word people. Sure there was a public outcry and congressional concerns about civil liberties, we're told that the program got defunded. But in reality, most critics say that it was dismantled, and then parts of it were simply quietly moved across other departments and alphabet agencies in like 2003 2004 so even though, so we're told, this Tia doesn't exist anymore. The surveillance technologies, the data mining concepts, have absolutely become part of the post 911 intelligence gathering landscape, and now it's it's made even more feasible by AI mass surveillance Palantir and so forth. So in this interview on the Chris Hedges report, Whitney Webb talks about predictive policing. I will at some point talk about Philip K Dick and Minority Report. The idea of pre crime, that's such a fascinating topic, very germane to the current times in which we live. But the idea is that, what if you could know that somebody was going to pop off before they do, whether that is a school pop Popper, a workplace pop Popper, a mass T word attack, a pop pop against a world leader, or even something health related, like the What if You knew that a pandemic was coming and so you could intervene? It all sounds very benevolent, doesn't it? We're trying to predict Matt or we're trying to predict and then prevent mass casualties. We're trying to predict and then prevent an epidemic. It always sounds benevolent, and they always sell you on this stuff by telling you the best and fluffiest possible use cases for it. They also use the worst possible examples of who it would be used against, the baddies, the scary ones, the outsiders, the others. This is what Nazis do. They round up people who are considered to be the undesirables of a society. They persecute minorities. They persecute people that the majority would say, Well, I don't really want to get involved. I don't want to defend that person. I don't want to defend that group. I don't get those people. I don't get them. They don't look like me, they don't act like me, they don't talk like me. And so nobody stands up in their defense, it's like that saying about by the time they came for me, there was nobody left to speak up. So Whitney's talking about some of these surveillance tools currently being used by ice the idea being, if someone is here illegally, then we have every right to monitor what they're doing so that we can catch them and deport them. And that sounds again, this is another thing we're on the face of it. You're like, Okay, well, if somebody's here illegally, they've already done a criminal act. And so why would we not allow ice to do this? But it's like, it's a fucking incubation lab. It's this stuff is always marketed as we're going to do it to somebody who's a criminal. We're going to do it to somebody who's already broken the law. We're going to do it to somebody who, quote, unquote, deserves it. Then it gets turned on the mass population. This, this is how it happens. This is an incubation. Chamber, mark my words, Whitney also gets into what she calls the PayPal Mafia. She talks about how Teal is closely in cahoots, so to speak, with JD Vance, a sort of key mentor, a financial backer, a donor, a close ally of JD Vance. So if it seems like this weird dude who's now basically a meme, has shot up out of nowhere. Well, that's because he he had help coming on to the world scene. Whitney also talks about what she calls the PayPal Mafia, and the link between Peter Thiel and JD Vance. So if it seems like Vance just kind of popped up out of nowhere and suddenly became VP of the United States. Well, I mean, kind of Thiel provided about $15 million for a super PAC that supported JD Vance's 2022 Senate bid and helped to position him as this like down home populist Republican before he was selected to be the orange man's VP in 2024 She also mentions that a lot of these people that have connections to teal have been placed quietly in government positions that you don't think about, and they have some real power, but it's shielded. It's obscured from John and Jane Q Public. She also talks about teal being influenced by this man, Curtis jarvin, again, I'm just going to hop over to Wikipedia for ease of use. Yarn has been described as a NEO reactionary, Neo monarchist and Neo feudalist, who sees liberalism as creating a matrix like totalitarian system, and who wants to replace American democracy with a sort of techno monarchy. He has defended the institution of slavery and has suggested that certain races may be more naturally inclined towards servitude than others. He has argued that whites have inherently higher IQs than black people, and opposes us civil rights programs. Jarvin is a notable figure in American conservativism, having influenced people such as Steve Bannon, JD Vance, Michael Anton and Peter Thiel. One thing that Whitney says about this guy is that he has the idea that any problems of our current state, of our current bureaucracy, would be solved if we privatized everything, and instead of electing a president, we installed a CEO of the country and let that person run like it's a dictatorship. And so I'm just, let's just zoom out for a second, because that is horrifying to think about. I feel like, in some respects, that even the concept of libertarianism has been co opted by corporate boot lickers. There have been times where I would consider labeling myself a slightly left of center libertarian, or a left leaning libertarian, or even just a classical liberal, in the sense that I think people should be as free as possible, the government should but out of people's lives, and people should be able to live, to have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, like what Voltaire said about free speech. I may disagree with what you said, but I will defend your right to say it. Somebody might say something totally heinous, and I'm like, That's fucking awful, but they have the right to say something fucking awful. That's like this guy that I've just talked about, someone who defends the institution of slavery. What a fuck head, what an absolute racist ass fuckhead, in my opinion. But I'm not saying throw the man in jail for saying that. I'm saying, let's make a counter argument and tell the world he's wrong. I can't imagine a CEO of the country. You know what I mean? Anyway, I feel like libertarianism has been co opted by these corporate bootlickers who would totally go along with something like that because they think privatization is the answer to everything, and it fucking isn't. The government isn't, and privatization isn't. It's all one big trough, all these piggies that feed out of one big trough. Corporate America, it's a, it's a revolving door. And I talked about this actually in the Epilog to decoding the unicorn. It's, it's like a revolving door. Lather, rinse, repeat. Capitol Hill, Wall Street, corporate America today, somebody's at Goldman Sachs tomorrow, they're in the treasury. They go from the Treasury to being at Credit Suisse. They go, You know what I mean? They go from Credit Suisse to being a US senator, on and on and on it goes. It's just this incestuous relationship. You cannot trust the corporate environment in that situation, you just can't do it. So it pisses me off that the concept of libertarianism has been co opted by corporate bootlickers. I also find it very interesting that we have orange man's platform, by and large was, I'm a businessman. I'm not a swamp creature. I'm a business. Businessman, let's run the country as a business. If we had a CEO as president instead of a career politician, maybe we would get some things done. And it just strikes me that the things that we're getting done are not things that are in John and Jane Q public's benefit. There are people who are being outrageously enriched and benefited, but it's not me and you. She also talks about the smart wall, and how people assume that whenever the Orange Man was talking about Build that wall, it was going to be a literal, physical wall, but not so much more like a smart wall that surveils everything that's going on and has the capability of drone strikes. Again, you'll have people saying, well, if someone's trying to do criminal activities, if it's somebody from a cartel that's trying to get in, wouldn't you want that? And I'm like, it's going to be turned against average citizens. That's always how this stuff goes. It's not just going to be specifically for people trafficking narcotics. So why is Peter Thiel obsessed with the Antichrist? And why would somebody think like, if you don't like war and you don't want world war three, we could make the argument, as was done on that series that I watched of Operation Gladio, one of the fascists that was interviewed very plainly said the Cold War was World War Three. We actually already have had that. So however you want to look at it, World War Three, World War four trying to prevent something like a mass casualty event. Why would somebody think that that's a bad thing, and that the Antichrist is going to come out of that effort. Well, if you're a warmonger, it certainly makes sense. Like no world peace is dangerous. World peace means the Antichrist. World peace means one world government. So we shouldn't have those things. And so anybody who supports peace, or is a peace Nick must be a quote Legionnaire of the Antichrist. That's, you know, it's, it's, it's tough for me to get there. And then anybody that doesn't want mass surveillance must be a legionnaire of the Antichrist. This is one of those things where it sounds very much to me like somebody who has a vested interest in making you believe a certain narrative. You know, it would be like an arms dealer telling you that you needed arms. It would be like a narcotics dealer telling you that you needed narcotics. It would be like a pusher telling you that you needed the pills. They have a vested interest in making sure that you get addicted to their product, or that you use their product. It sounds to me a bit like, hey, we actually have the system that will usher in the AntiChrist, but we're going to tell you that everybody else is a legionnaire of the system that will usher in the Antichrist. It also kind of reminds me of that meme of all the spider men, spider Manses, all the versions of Spider Man pointing at one another like this is funny in some respects. It's kind of like living in Dr Strangelove, but wow, it's also completely horrifying. Mass surveillance drones a social profile of you. If you're a government dissident, they can just shut you off. They know everything that you're doing. We've talked before. They know that I'm making these episodes before you ever hear them, they're they're aware. They know what's going on. People will ask, Well, what do we do? I don't know. I don't have a super great answer for that. Whitney's suggestion is to try to get off mainstream technology, to stop using Google and social media, and start looking for alternatives on your cell phone and on your computer. But I'm a realist, and I know that most people are not going to do that. The vast majority of people are not going to do that. I actually saw a podcast episode recently. I'm trying to even remember who it was or where it was, but it was basically the overarching idea of the episode was that there is no mass awakening. There's no mass change. People are just going along with it. There's sort of all like rats following the pied piper of Hamlin off a cliff. And sadly, I think that's probably true. Whitney, before has said we're all like slaves to convenience, and we so are. We've gotten so spoiled. And I put myself in this category too. I'm not saying, Oh, it's everybody else and not me. I'm not one of the Luddites. I guess that Peter Thiel is calling out by saying, Oh, it'll be a Luddite who brings about the Antichrist because they're scared of technology. Technology is going to be our Savior. And these Luddites. Are just terrible and they're agents of Satan. I know. No, no, I, you know, I have Internet and computers and a cell phone and all of that. I'm I'm not living in a hovel somewhere with no access to anything like a pioneer, nor would I. I can't even imagine a scenario where I would do that unless we all wound up in like the road, you know, which is an incredibly depressing book and movie. But, and some people think that, some people think that there will at some point be nuclear fallout, and we will all have to live that way. I mean, I guess if you had no other choice, but that's the thing Whitney is. Was correct. We are slaves to convenience. So what can we do about it? I don't know, and I don't know that we aren't so far gone that we haven't already reached a tipping point to where it's actually too late. I understand that sounds gloom and doom. It sounds bleak, it sounds depressing, but I'm just giving you the truth as I see it, and frankly, I hope that I'm wrong. I just find it super disturbing, the type of background that this guy has, and the amount of money that he has, and power and political influence, and they're talking about mass surveillance and social profiles. And don't be a Luddite or you're an agent of the Antichrist. Oh god. It's so bleak. It's so grim. This is, um, you know, another reason why I haven't yet started to record episodes about Dave McGowan's book program to kill because it's just so disturbing this. This is a situation where you know, after you interact with this information, go pet a fluffy kitten or a fuzzy puppy, go outside. Not that long ago, I did a session of forest bathing, and I understand why people love it, because after I got done, I felt so much better, no device, no checking of cell phone, none of that. It was like just being out in nature, hearing the bird song, feeling the sun, feeling the breeze, it was so healing and restorative. Is that putting a band aid on a bullet wound probably, but I'm only one person, and I realize there's only so much that I can do, and I think that that's true for all of us in in in individual format, there's only so much we could do, but if we united, there's a lot we could do. Or is there? Is that an illusion? There's there's another possible episode. Is that just an illusion? I don't know, but keep an eye out on all of this. I understand that our mental plates are full, but keep an eye out on all of this, because it is rather deranged and disturbing, and mass surveillance affects all of us. Stay a little bit crazy, and I'll see you in the next episode.

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