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Verified #1 Online Trader: Consistency, First-Red-Day Setups, and Real P&L ft. Alex Temiz
🔥 Markets reward proof, not polish — and Alex Temiz came with the receipts.
After years of people chirping “Photoshop,” Alex dropped 11 years of broker-verified data and claimed the #1 spot on a public leaderboard. No fluff. No rented cars. Just verified results, legendary trades, and a framework that treats trading like a business, not a buzzword.
We dive deep — from his first red day setup that flipped countless runners, to the $450K loss that forced discipline, and the $700K INDO and AMC wins that proved preparation meets opportunity. Alex doesn’t just talk profits; he talks purpose — wiring gains into long-term wealth with companies like Nvidia, Microsoft, Tesla, Google, and Meta during panic cycles.
💡This isn’t your typical “get rich” talk. It’s about doing the work: scanning routines, risk rules, emotional control, and knowing when not to trade. It’s also about people — the discipline from military and fitness backgrounds, the patience women bring to pattern recognition, and the power of a partner who keeps you grounded when the market’s swinging.
If you’re tired of mystery P&Ls and Lambo lies, this convo’s for you.
🎯 Real data. Real mindset. Real results.
🎥 Timestamps:
0:05 — Opening & Why Trading Matters
0:43 — Meet Alex: Verified #1 Online Trader
2:47 — Proving It: Verification, Kinfo, Transparency
5:45 — The Edge: Consistency Over Flash
8:05 — Origin Story: From Starbucks to Stocks
11:05 — Short Selling Clicks: Early Breakthroughs
14:25 — Mindset of a Trader: Emotional Control
17:00 — The First Red Day Setup Explained
21:10 — Sizing Up Only When Odds Favor You
24:10 — Community & Mentorship: My Investing Club
28:35 — Pre-Market Edge & Brokers
31:10 — Day Trading vs Long-Term Wealth
34:20 — Buying Fear, Selling Greed
37:05 — Vetting Members: Serious Over Flash
40:20 — Biggest Loss: TOP Squeeze to $300
44:15 — Risk Rules: Max Loss and Recovery
47:25 — $700K Wins: INDO and AMC
51:20 — Daily Routine & Pattern Scanning
55:10 — Partners, Support, and Real Life
58:10 — Humility, Authenticity, and Legacy
1:01:30 — Close, CTA, and Live Trading Tease
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LFG show. I'm super, super excited. You guys, if you're fun of stories, you know, every so often we put some stock trading content. I listen, I don't know what you want to call me. Some people want to say I'm a fucking degenerate, and you some people might say obsessed. I love trading. I've been trading since fucking 1997 or 98. I went to NYU, Stern School of Business New York.com bubble. You know, everyone's fucking making money trading, right? So anyway, I got a lot of history with trading. I love it. And honestly, in all transparency, the last two years have been like the first times where I've actually made money. I'd make money, I'd lose money, go sideways, but I've been consistent, which is the key. So we're very fortunate today. We have Alex Temis. This is the today, you got some great news. He got he got verified officially the number one online trader. We don't fuck around, LFG. We bring you the best at the fucking best. So, bro, I'm excited to have you on the another and fellow New Jersey in Jersey in the fucking house. Anyway, bro, great to have you on the show. Good to be here. I don't even know where to begin, man. I mean, I guess let's start about. I mean, congratulations on the news. Like, how do you get in again? We talked about this offline. You see a lot of flash on Instagram, right? There's a lot of people claim to be good traders, and it's you know, we know a lot of it shit's fake, it's not even real stats. You were actually verified, it's a very rigorous process. They have to go back to your trading back to like years ago, right? So let's explain then how do you get designated that so people know this is for real?
SPEAKER_01:Right. So for years, I've been posting my broker statements online. So what I would do is I'd take the same statements that I sent to the IRS and put it on my website. They said that's not good enough, it's Photoshop. And then I said, All right, let me start trading live online where there's no delay. You get to watch me trade. I execute. They said no, you're pre-recorded. Okay, no problem. After years and years of just grinding and showing everyone and showing everyone, I learned that's still not enough. So there's a third-party platform called Kinfo, where the way that they verify their traders is you have to log into your broker. And for the longest time, you know, I've been trading for 11 years. Some of my logins I forgot. You know, I don't remember my password, I don't remember my login. I was like, I'll just do it later, I'll do it later. So I decided, you know what, finally, let me go do the forgot password, let me log in, let me get everything, and upload it to Kinfo. So as of today, I've uploaded 11 years of my trading, and there's a leaderboard of traders that are out there. There's like, I don't know, thousands of traders on there. And as of today, I'm the officially the number one highest PL grossing trader online.
SPEAKER_02:You know what's crazy? We tried to do this episode a couple months ago, and you were traveling, Alice Travel. We're both in Europe, but it it worked out pretty well. That today's the day, yeah, you know, and you got that official designation. So, man, congratulations. How's that feel?
SPEAKER_01:Uh it feels pretty good, but you know, it's the same thing. You know, I've been I've been trading legit for a very long time. And I guess now it's kind of silencing all the haters out there that said Photoshop, Video Shop, non real, this, that. After, and even now, after doing this, they're still coming back. Oh no, you gotta do something else. You got you can't satisfy the haters, is what I learned, but it's more for myself to say that I'm number one. I love it.
SPEAKER_02:And I I'll say one thing, guys, and there's a reason why I want you on the show is that um I we have a mutual friend, Alex, right? And I've known Alex for a good while, and he loves trading. He's like, he's he's great. I mean, he's he's he is crushing. He's one of your students, right? Yeah, so he sends me his PL every day, good, bad, and ugly. He's he's he's up like 90% of the days, man, you know, and he's been doing amazing. So I the proofs in the pudding, we've hung out, I've hear you talk. I mean, I know that you also you you day trade, but you also have like long positions, longer term. You I know we we went somewhere, we went for his his wife's birthday a few months ago, and you were along Tesla, which was controversial back then because there were so many people shorting the shit out of it at 250. I think it was what what it was. And you were saying it's not just a car company, they got robotics, they got this, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like it's over 400 now, right? So 420. So, yeah, so I mean, the proof's in the pudding, and I wouldn't have you on the show if I didn't know it was freaking legit, I believe it was. So that's why you're on here, man. Appreciate it, man. Good to be here. Good to be here. So let's talk about how did you get in training? Because you that's a great story, too. You were you were a barista, right? At Starbucks and in New Jersey. So let's let's let's talk about this.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so 11 and a half years ago, I was a barista at Starbucks making coffee. And, you know, I had a girlfriend at the time, and you know, I was making maybe$150,$200 a week. Um, I would take about$50, put her into my gas tank, take her out to the movies, another$50, and then whatever money was left, I put into my bank account. Obviously, it's not really much money, right? So eventually what happened is she broke up with me to be with a rich guy. And I was like, you gotta be fucked bikini, right? And I said to myself, you know what? I have to get back at her. And I started looking up online how to get rich in America. And there were two avenues there was real estate and there was a stock market. Real estate has such a high barrier to entry. You needed hundreds of thousands of dollars to get involved. I didn't have that. Stock market, you could open up an account with as little as 500 bucks. So that's what I did. So my first year, I really didn't know anything about trading. Every single time I bought a stock, every single time, it'll go straight down. Every time. It's like I bought it and boom, like down. So I was like, fuck, this is hard, man. Like, this is I don't know what the hell to do. And then by my second year, I discovered something called short selling, which is making money when stocks go down. And I was like, dude, this is perfect. Instead of hitting the buy button, I'm gonna hit the short button and I'm gonna be rich. And I still remember the first short trade I took, I shorted 2,000 shares of a company called VGGL. And they don't even trade anymore, they're delisted. But I made 50 cents a share, I made$1,000 instantly. And since then I was hooked. By my second year, I broke even. And then by my third year, I refined the strategy a little bit and I started making two, three hundred dollars a day. And now 11 and a half years later, here's where we are.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, two or three hundred dollars a day doesn't sound like a lot. But listen, if it if that's like a side hustle, that's the 50, 75 grand a year, right? And that's the way I looked at it. I I graduated NYU during the dot-com bubble and I was a prop trader. They gave me like$100,000 to trade with. And I remember like the head trader was pumped up about me. So one day I made like$350,000 it wasn't even like an out. I was like, I couldn't believe it, right? I outperformed, and it would they only gave me like 200 shares to trade, like small lots I can trade with, right? But it it's just that, and then the consistency. But when and I started doing the math if I do this consistently, then I had the day I made like 800 bucks. I don't made 1200 bucks, right? So it's it's just crazy how it adds up.
SPEAKER_01:People forget that if you can make a thousand dollars a day, it's a quarter million dollars a year. 100%. So when I started to do the math and say, all right, all I need is$4,000 a day to be a millionaire, I was like, dude, like I can make$4,000 a day. Like it's not really that hard. But the problem I feel like in trading is people think to become a millionaire, you have to make$100,000,$200,000,$300,000 in a day. And it's possible, but wouldn't you rather just focus on the consistency? And that's kind of what I'm doing, and that's what our buddy Alex is doing as well is slow and steady, one, two, three, four thousand, one, two, three, four, thousand. By the end of the week, you're up 20K. You're like, oh shit, you know?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And you know it's funny. Uh I could tell, I mean, obviously to be ranked number one that we're we're I'm gonna talk about the mental aspect of that as well. But you know, you it's a nice thing, but you're not like giddy about it or anything. Like I could tell, right? And I I had my best trade, I told you about it two days ago. I had a fucking phenomenal trade, right? And I wasn't like pumped up. Like I think when I used to trade and I made like uh whatever I thought was good about money, I'd get all excited, right? It was like emotional. And then I'd I didn't want to lose that money. And when I lost, you would chase. And that's the difference between like trading and gambling, right? So I think that it's that mental mindset. And I think it's a lot like sports at the end of the day, right? You gotta have that mindset. So let's talk about that. Like, what was the aha moment where you realize you can do this for a living, man, and and not have to worry about anything else?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so that's uh it's a really good point because I like what you said about kind of being an athlete. I think that traders are mental athletes, not physical athletes. I mean, I'm definitely not a physical athlete if you look at me, but up here is kind of what's the most important thing in trading. So if I have a good day, if I have a bad day, I try not to get too attached by it either. Because if you have a good day, you're on a high and it makes your day better, it makes everything better. All of a sudden the stories your wife is telling you is more entertaining. But when you have a bad day, so true. When you have a bad day, you're like, oh shit, like I don't want to leave the house. So what I try to do is good day, bad day, stay level. That way I'm not if they say your life is controlled by your PL. And if I control my life to my PL, dude, I'm gonna be depressed because I'm gonna keep chasing the high, chasing the high, chasing the high. And eventually, like I can't continue to have six-figure days, seven figure days. I can't have that every single day. So I'm gonna be trying to chase a high that doesn't exist. But if I kind of go in with the mindset of good day, bad day, same shit, that's kind of what helps me feel better. But the ha the aha moment for me was probably my first six-figure day. So my first six-figure day. Um do you remember DRYS drives and oh the shipping stock?
SPEAKER_02:The shipping stock. Yeah, yeah. I I used to fuck that's man. It's crazy how you remember these symbols. I remember symbols from fucking 25, 30 years ago. It's crazy. But yeah, dude. They they there was another one, TBSI. I I can't believe I remember these symbols, man. But you're taking back there, they're they were on a run for a while.
SPEAKER_01:They were they they signed DCIX, TOP, yeah, all of them, man. T O P S. Uh crazy. So what ended up happening is you know, but Drives was a shipping company that went from like a dollar to like$150 news. They all went crazy. And what ends up happening in the market is people always look for sympathy play. So, what a sympathy play is, is if the shipping sector stocks are going up, traders start to find the next shipping stock. They're finding, all right, this container company went up. There's a container company here, maybe they're gonna go up or here. So traders start to bid up the prices of other stocks in the same sector. And in the situation of dries, when it went from a dollar to 150, you had all these other garbage stocks that were maybe barely in shipping or whatever it may be, that went from one to 15 to 20 to 30, or another one that went from five to fifty. And what ends up happening is when the head of the snake dries ended up finally coming down and gravity came down, these came down a lot faster and a lot harder. So the day that dries collapsed, I shorted these stocks and made probably about a I think it was$104,000 in one day. And at the time I was in my early 20s and I was like, dude, holy shit, like that's that's when I started to get excited. I was like, dude, this is fucking crazy. And from that moment, I was like, wow, I saw the setup, I saw the opportunity, I took the size that I should have taken and made someone's yearly salary in a day. And I was like, dude, like that's like my goal as a trader was to make$100,000 a year. I was like, dude, if I could make$100,000 a year, I'm rich, right? You're a kid, you don't know much better. Like, you think$100,000 is like, it's gonna change your life. You're gonna be in yachts, you're gonna do this, but no, you know, as you get older, you start to realize$100,000 really isn't anything these days. But that first$100,000 day is kind of what told me, oh shit, like I hit my yearly goal in a day. Let's see how far we could take it. So how how long ago was this? Uh I'm 31 right now, probably when I was 23, 24.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, so man, I can't imagine as a 23, 24 year old, because I I can tell you what I would have, if I if I made a hundred grand in the fucking day, I mean, I don't know what would have happened. I'd be, I'd be so, I mean, I was living in the drive, I'd be in New York at some club, man, popping bottles, probably drop 21, which is stupid. You shouldn't do that, right? But what did you do that day? You do anything crazy?
SPEAKER_01:Uh it's actually, I think I got like McDonald's or Chick-fil-A, dude. That's all straight out. That's a bad boy. Straight up. Because like again, I guess maybe back then I was still in this mindset of it's gonna maybe it's gonna stop, right? Maybe I got lucky, you know. It felt good, but I was like, you know, like, can I do it again? Yeah, right. You know, in the moment, you're first excited, you're hyped up, you're like, I did it, I did it. And then you start to, at least for me, I'm like, did I just get lucky? Do I did I doubt myself? And then I was like, you know what? Like, let me just take it easy. Let me get like some McDonald's, some Cheff-A, just hang out. But that was it. I didn't really do anything else too crazy.
SPEAKER_02:That's awesome. So uh let me understand this. And just so for the, I mean, some of the audience are gonna be traders, they'll get this stuff, right? And others might be a little foreign thing, but I want to kind of double it down. So Dry's worth from let's say a dollar, dollar fifty, right? These were the sympathy plays. Drive's is a real company, right? They they're a real fundamentally, they got real fundamentals. And you could say it was way overvalued at 150, but there's it's there's there's a there's a it's a real company, it's not a BS company, whereas you had these other shipping companies that maybe they were just fundamentally not as sound, they weren't making as much profit.
SPEAKER_01:It's like, you know what it is, it's it's a crazy example. But six months ago, these companies were marijuana companies. Yeah, and they saw that the shipping sector was hot, they transitioned to a shipping company. They don't know anything about shipping, but they're trying to capitalize on the momentum, right? If you know that uh AI is hot right now, you're gonna somehow, somehow transition your company to AI, even if it has nothing to do with it, to get your valuation up. And then is this eventually what you end up finding out is this company is not an AI company. They're you know making Clorox or they're doing whatever the hell it is. It's it's different. So once you find those companies that are running on sympathy based on no fundamental reason, when the head of the snake comes down, these also come down.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's that's a great place. So, what what did you see? Uh, because I know from talking with Alex, you guys have certain set there's a term for one of those setups. I forget what maybe this was, but what what was the trigger? When you saw it was the first down day for the first red day. First red day. So that's what triggered the whole setup for you?
SPEAKER_01:Right. Okay. So let's explain what the first red day is. So I think that a lot of traders are unsuccessful because they don't really have a strategy. They wake up in the morning, they see what stocks are moving on some scanner or some news, and you know, like, ah, you know what, I think it's gonna go up today, or you know, I think it's gonna go down today. They really don't have what I call a process, and we can kind of get into that later. But pretty much you have to have a strategy that's repeatable, right? Because if not, you're gonna show up to the market and you don't know if when you show up, if it's gonna be a random result or something that has a high predictable outcome. So the first red day is a strategy that my mentor taught me, a guy called Bao. And he's been trading for 20 years now. He's been using that strategy for a while. But for him, he was using that strategy more of a consistent strategy versus what I saw was it was so consistent that why don't I go bigger? So I took his strategy that he kind of molded and he's been using, but just added gasoline to the fire. You know, he's been trading for a long time. He's more risk off now. But when I'm a when I was younger and I was like, dude, like this strategy, every time it comes up, there's like a 95% chance that it you know works.
SPEAKER_02:But did you know for sure it was 95%? Like, did you did you track that? Because I feel like personally, just so you know with me, I feel like I don't size up right. I think that's a lot of people's problems that they don't, they don't you sized up right, it sounded like, and that's a big missing element, right? And and I think that going if you know you're 95% and you're like and you know your risk parameters, you know, where you're gonna get out. We're talking about that in a little a little bit later, but did you know for a fact you that that that pattern worked 95%?
SPEAKER_01:I knew that the pattern repeats itself 95% of the time, but there's still a five percent chance that it doesn't work. I'll give I'll give you an example. So trading is think about trading as a game of blackjack, but the way that you play blackjack is you have to bet first and then the dealer shows you your hands. Trading is the only game where you could see your hands first and then bet after. Well, so for example, let's say dealer is showing a 16 or they're showing a six with a card, and I'm showing a 20. You know, chances are if I see that 20, that's when I want to bet. Doesn't mean that I'm gonna win 100% of the time. I might win 90% of the time, but in trading, what you could do is you could wait for that pattern to show up, wait for that setup on the chart, and then bet. Dealers still may show a 21, but I know that I have a 90 to 95% chance of winning on that setup. So trading is the only game, the only business where you could bet after you see what you want to see, versus betting first and then getting your cards. When you think about it that way, you start to think, why the hell would I ever go to Vegas? Yeah, let me just keep trading and do it for setups.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, listen, I don't like it, I rarely gamble in casinos because I know I have no fucking edge there, right? If I do it, it might be just fun, or like, oh, here's a couple hundred dollars. Like to me, it's it's annoying because I know I have no fucking edge there. They're the casino, right? But that's what I do feel about trading is that, yeah, you gave a great example. You have an edge if you know your patterns and and you and you stake discipline. That's the other thing we'll talk about in a bit. But one thing you said, you reminded me of something. You know, Barry Bonds, you know, controversial, steroids, whatever. The guy was that year where he hit 70, I think, three home runs, and he was he was something else. His on base percentage, like 80%. He walked so much, like if he had walked so much, he could have hit over 100 home runs that year. Right. But I he said I saw like a documentary. His mentality when he went up the bat was that he wanted to make contact. It didn't matter if he was out. If he made contact, he's like, I won. I beat the pitcher. You know, it doesn't matter if it was a ground out, it was a pop-up. I he wanted to make contact. So he waited for the right spots. He waited for the right, he waited for the pitchers to make a mistake. And when they made a mistake, boom, the ball was out the ballpark. But again, again, controversial because of stories, but whatever. But at the end of the day, it's a numbers game. He knew his fucking numbers, right?
SPEAKER_01:It's like what I tell people in the market is you show up every single day in the market not to place a trade. You show up every day to see if that setup or that opportunity is there. You know how many times I show up to the market and there's nothing moving, and I'm like, you know what? Let me just fuck around with this one here, and then I lose money. Yeah, or let me fuck around, I lose money. And then I say to myself, dude, if I just took no trades today, I'd be what like way better off. So I show up every single day in the market with the mindset of let me see if that setup is there, that opportunity is there to capitalize. Like today was kind of like a slow day, right? So today I didn't really see much opportunity. I didn't really have much uh much conviction. So I dropped my size down, you know, played my spots a little bit, took the money and run away, you know, versus yesterday was a bigger opportunity day. And, you know, I capitalized, I sized up a little bit larger and had a better day.
SPEAKER_02:Yep. So let's let's talk about that uh the siding strategy, right? Um, I know there's certain uh traders, they have like, I don't know, they might like one unit, two units, like they have certain units, maybe four units like your max. Uh, and then if it's like a day, you're not or something, you're not, you kind of it's like a half conviction, or I don't know if you even trade half conviction, but you do like one unit lesson, you do something similar. How do you how do you know when the freaking size up?
SPEAKER_01:Honestly, I don't use that, like it's called the R system, one risk, one unit. I don't use that. It's too complicated for me, dude. I'm not I'm not interested in it. It is that's kind of I don't really like that again. When I first started trading, I want to keep it as simple as possible, right? I want to keep it simple. And these crazy like uh indicators on the charts, I don't use these crazy, you know, risk systems I don't use. I just say, you know what? I'll give you an example. So for example, like let's say I'm willing to lose five thousand dollars, right? So my max risk, I'm willing to lose five grand. I would size up appropriately where if the stock is going against me, I wouldn't lose five grand in one shot. Maybe I'd lose enough where it's one to two grand where I still give myself two or three shots at it. So, like baseball, three strikes and you're out. So if I take a trade and three times I'm wrong on it, I'm out. So I try to select a number, at least for myself, that makes me comfortable enough to say, you know what? If I lose five grand, it's not gonna change my life. And I'll size up appropriately so that if I'm wrong three times, I'll lose that five grand. You know, these days, when I have those first red day opportunities, I'm like, dude, I'm okay losing 200,000, 300,000, 400,000 because I know the odds are so much in my favor that it would be stupid not to size up. So on those really big opportunity days, on those days where it's the first red day, there's a 95% chance of winning. I'm thinking, how much bigger can I get, dude? Let me fucking mortgage my house, let me sell my watch, let me wired into the account because I know if I have a 90 to 95% chance of winning, why the hell wouldn't I fucking go all in? Right. Exactly. The problem is those setups don't happen every day. They happen maybe once a quarter. So maybe three, four times a year, those setups happen. And God forbid you fuck up when that setup happens too, dude. It screws with you mentally. So the way I explain trading is every single day that you show up to the market, it's like the regular season football games, dude. You're showing up, you're just playing the regular season. But one time a year, you might get a Super Bowl. And you better make sure that you are hitting hard on that Super Bowl day, because that Super Bowl day can make your entire year in one day.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think that's where the preparation comes in play, right? You you you you've seen this stuff happen, and you know when it happens, you have a 95% chance, and you and you gotta be able to pounce when it happens.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Right? What comes up? So let's now let's talk about the my my investing club, right? Yeah. That you have. Um I I think that's is that where you do you share these, like these type of patterns with them? Like if I were like a for someone that wants to join, like what's uh let's walk through that. What what's the community like? What's the advantage versus other communities there out? Yeah, there's a lot of trading communities.
SPEAKER_01:So we're actually really selective with who we let into the community because we've been doing this for seven years now. Uh, we've helped over 10,000 traders. And what we learned is we only want people that are actually serious about changing their lives. We don't want the Lambo, Rolex, I'm gonna buy a yacht type thing. We want serious traders like you that are actually serious about making money, that are passionate about trading, not passionate about the crazy lifestyle that it gives you. I mean, you could get the lifestyle, but if that's what you're chasing, it's not really gonna work. So the way that it started is my mentor, Bao, the guy that taught me how to trade. Long story short, uh, he was at a conference in Vegas and I was 21 years old, and there was a big trading conference going on. I told my dad I wanted to go to this trading conference, I want to see what it's all about. My dad, uh, back around 2008 lost a lot of money in the financial crisis. He had his stocks, he had like Netflix at like 50 bucks, he had like Facebook at 50 bucks, he had Apple really low, and he sold them all for a loss. And he's like, the market's a skim, it's bullshit, like screw that. And he's like, I'll take you to Vegas to the conference just to show you it's bullshit. Well, I was like, okay, fuck it, let's go. 21 years old. So everyone's at this conference, you know, fancy, you know, Wall Street type guys. And then here comes this like Asian dude in shorts, flip-flop, and a t-shirt, and he's putting up his like his uh PL calendar on the screen. He's showing that out of 252 trading days, he only lost four days in the year. He was making like$100,000 a week, every single week, nonstop, right? And he was talking, he was like the most like down-to-earth guy. And by the end of that conference, my dad was like, dude, like this guy actually seems like he's like he knows what he's like talking about. So I approached him after the conference and I was like, hey, Bal, like you really inspired me. The conference was great, and like uh thanks for everything. He's like, Yeah, sure, kid, like nice to meet you, like whatever it is. I was like, okay, whatever. But he was posting on Twitter. So we became like friendly on Twitter. And at the time, he was going through a divorce and he didn't really have like much other friends at the time. So like we became friendly. He was talking to me, he was going through a lot, and you know, we became very close friends. Eventually, he took me under his wing, taught me how to trade. He was very good at technical analysis, which is like the study of charts, and I was very good at fundamental analysis, which is the study of company filings. Yeah. So he taught me how to get better at charts. I taught him how to get better at company filings, and he taught me eventually how to trade. So we said to ourselves, if he taught me how to trade, and there's so many scammers, so many con artists out there, why don't we do something that we wish we had when we first started? We started my investing club, and seven years later, we've helped over 10,300 traders, and we have over 750 five-star reviews. So we're very, very, like I said, selective with who we want to trade because our reputation is very important to us. We don't want to just bring in someone that's gonna show up at 9.29 a.m., not listen to anything that we're talking about and lose money. It's not it's not interesting to us either because we want to help mentor and coach actual serious traders. So yeah, that's what we've been doing. We just actually just wrapped up our uh last event in Orlando. It's a live trading event where we have a big conference room and I have my laptop and just people watch me trade live in person. So it was a cool time.
SPEAKER_02:That's awesome. I I I like what you said. I want to know more about the qualifications for for joining us so everyone knows. But I mean, I I'll go back to Alex, right? Because I I see I remember you know, he'll send me there was like a day where like it was like 6 45 a.m. I must have got up at like seven and he he already made like fucking six or seven grand. He's good, and I didn't I didn't even know. I'm like, I didn't know these stocks straight at six in the morning. Like I missed some good opportunities as a result. I I remember I had one position, I was underwater, and I think on my average was like 180. The thing there was some news about Donald Trump Jr. I don't know what the fuck. Apparently the thing hit three at like 601, hit like 380. Yeah, and my position, I would have made like 20 grand, but I was I wasn't up yet. And I was like, what the fuck? That was an expensive not getting like I had no clue, but like now, like I get up earlier because if I'm at a position like that, I want to catch those moves, but like I didn't know like I'm like, how is that Alex making at first for first time he sent me that? This guy's gotta be bullshitting me. But I looked at the chart and like, oh shit, I didn't even know you could trade that early. Pre-market these days starts at 4 a.m. So I'll gonna say that too, because you know I didn't want to say the wrong thing, but I think that stock was actually before 6 a.m. It was five. So I was like, how the fuck do you trade that early, man? I guess you have the right that the right platform because I have Schwab and Thinkorswim.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think they allow us to trade before 6 a.m. I think Schwab and Thinkorswim is 6 or 7 a.m. Yeah. He'd like so we have like specialized boutique brokers that allow us to short these stocks, but yeah, dude, I could trade at 4 a.m. all the way as late as 8 p.m.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's awesome. That that's an edge right there in itself. Yep, definitely. You know, so yeah. So I saw him do that. But the going back to to what you're saying is that is that discipline. Like he knows he's I've been with him on vacation. We're in Europe with the family, and then and his wife's all about it, she's cool, she understands. He'll take the laptop, and when the market opens, like he he had like every day for like a week in Italy, I don't know where we're pulls the tunnel somewhere. He had his shit like and it's great. So I just made three grand. I'm like, and I think I'm more I'm not so much a day trawing trader, right? And that's when I was like gold was moving, so I was making money too, it was fun. But um, but yeah, it's it's a whole different thing. But to see that he's definitely disciplined, right? And he, I guess he fits that core, that core mole.
SPEAKER_01:But what yeah, he cruelt, he's crushing it because for he makes more than me sometimes, right? There's certain data he makes more than me. But uh, I what he does is he's very selective. He's like hit and quit. He hits it and gets the hell out of there, which is exactly the right thing to do. Because again, trading is not like gambling, but certain analogies at the casino relate. What do I mean? If you are at the casino, do you make more money the more you play cards or when you walk away from the table? Oh, yeah. When you walk away from the table, because then the casino doesn't have a chance to take your money back. The market doesn't have a chance to take your money back. But these days, you know, I try my best not to trade on vacation because I'm trading all day, every day anyway. So when I'm on vacation, I don't really trade. But what I've been doing now is I've been taking some of those profits that I make in trading and then putting it into more longer-term investments because ever since 2020, you know, the pandemic era happened and the market went straight down. The velocity at which it kind of came back up was like, holy shit. Like all the stocks went down 30, 40, 50% and came right back. And I was like, okay, this is kind of interesting. And then it happened again, you know, uh just this recently during April, during the tariffs. Everyone's like, the market is crashing, the economy's over, what the hell's going on? We're in a great depression. Dude, we're at all-time highs, plus, plus, plus. So by seeing, and even 2008, with the example of my dad going down and coming back. So I've over the years, I've learned that the market is very stable. I feel like they just like they they cause these panics and they cause these crashes so that the big money could get in at cheap. Right? They want people like us to panic and sell so that they could get in cheap. So for me, my entire thought process was Warren Buffett said that 90% of hedge funds, they don't beat the SP 500. So why the hell am I trying to beat the SP 500? Right. So let me just put my money into the SP 500. Let me see what the top 10, 15 holdings of the SP are and put my money there. So now what I do is every time I make a little bit of money, I wire out and I put some into a longer-term investment account. And, you know, I put a lot of money in April when the tariff things happen. And, you know, most of it has doubled since now. But, you know, my goal is to take some of that money I make short-term in day trading and put it into long-term investments. I feel like day trading will make someone rich, but with your long-term investments, you can start to get wealthy. So that's my goal now, man. My goal is now to take all the money I make, put it into longer-term investments. And I would say probably over the last two years, I've made more money long-term investing than I have in day trading.
SPEAKER_02:Of course, yeah. Those moves are no joke. I mean, in that position, it wasn't, I had that position for a couple months, uh, the one from the other day that went from two to 17. But it's just crazy how much money you can make when the move happens, right? And I believe that. I believe in the company, they're in solar batteries. I'm I'm in the industry. I feel like I have some like kind of insider knowledge because I know the, I know the markets well, right? But you know, that's where a point where patients paid off. And then I remember all the nukes. The solar is gone, it's gone to shit, man. Yeah, yeah. And I was like questioning myself, should I still have this position? And you know what? It it fucked me up because I was gonna buy more. You know, it wasn't, it was holding steady between 225 and 250. It wasn't going down, which to me was a good sign where all these other solar companies were getting crushed. Yeah, so there was relative strength, right? Yeah, and I was gonna double my position, and I chose not to, and I that was a big mistake because I would have probably made another like 80, 100 grand on that. There's always gonna be more.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, there's always gonna be more. And like, for example, like uh the Tesla example is you know, we were talking, but you know, Tesla's right around like 420 right now. When I was getting in, it was around 220, 230-ish. And everyone was like calling it. They're saying it's going to 150, yeah. They're saying down. So, what my best advice, I guess, for traders or viewers or whatever is when the entire world is panicking, when everyone's kind of freaking out and bugging out, that's when you buy. When everyone's happy and then when everyone's excited, is when you sell. Warren Buffett said, be greedy when others are fearful, and fearful when others are greedy. Right now, everyone's greedy. So I wouldn't be investing super, super heavily into the market. I'd wait for people to be fearful again and then buy.
SPEAKER_02:100%. I love it. So let's go back to the community, right? What is um what's the process like? So let's say I wanted to join the community. Like, what is there an app? I'm sure there's an application process. Like, how does that go? So you vet the people.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we just want to talk to you and see what your intentions are, man. I mean, we had a vetting team for a while, and you know, I think they were maybe a little bit too loose with the people that they were letting in and we didn't really like us. Now we kind of took it all in-house and we just do it ourselves. So we just want to hear like, why are you getting into trading? What are you doing? Are you interested in being here long term? Because the reality is to be a doctor, you have to go to medical school for eight years and you make half a million dollars. Trading, you have to go to trading school for a little bit, right? But if I say that you go to trading school for even a year or two years and you can make more than a doctor, people are like, oh shit, let me do that. But then they don't think about it in the moment. They join and they're like, ah, I want my Lambeau today. It's not really how it works. I want people that are committed to at least a short term learning curve. It's like learning a new language, man. I come and I want to say I want to learn Chinese. I'm not gonna learn Chinese tomorrow. I have to learn all the details. It's gonna take time to learn it. But Once you learn it, dude, it's like it's literally making more than a doctor, lawyer, engineer combined sometimes in a day.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's crazy, man. Uh even like me the other day, I mean, I and that's why I was proud of myself because I wasn't, yeah, I made this money, but I wasn't like, I wasn't giddy. I wasn't like, you know, we're gonna go do some crazy stuff tonight, you know. Kind of like the whole the McDonald's. I just live I I went my normal life, right? And I was like, man, what could I have done better? I can tell you the thing, when I, when I when I saw when the stock went from like 250 to like eight in pre-market, I did get excited. I got giddy and I I started let me, you know, and normally what what what I would have done is I would have kept a little bit, I kept like a tiny bit and I got rid of it at 12. Right. But I wish I did some trailing stops on that one to write it a little better, right? But anyway, the point is that if that was like two years ago, man, I don't know. I would have like I probably would have I lost that because I would have gotten to another trade. Like it is just emotional stuff, right? Is what it came down to.
SPEAKER_01:But that's maturity. Emotion is very key. I mean, like, uh for example, like let's talk about my biggest loss ever. So it's all sunshine and rainbows and everything's good. Like when when things go bad, it's actually when it really matters. So my biggest loss ever was I lost$450,000 in one day. It was fucking horrible, dude. It was so bad. And the reason why is because before that, I think it was in 2022, 2023, I try to block the memory out, but I started up a challenge to see how far I could go a$30,000 account. I want to grow a$30,000 account into a million dollars by the end of the year because$25,000 is a pattern day trade rule. So I had a little bit of a buffer above the pattern day trade rule. And my goal was to take that$25,000, uh, I mean take that$30,000 into a million. I ended up doing it in 55 days. Wow. So I was like, dude, I'm feeling if this all stocks is not an option. Wow. So I was like, dude, I'm feeling good, I'm feeling hot, nothing could stop me. I felt invincible. Eventually, what happened is a stock went against me. And instead of cutting out at 5,000, instead of cutting out at 10,000, I kept adding and adding and adding. Were you short or were you long? I was short. I was short and it was just going crazy. So instead of stopping out for my loss, I felt confident from my 50, uh, from my 55 days, 30,000 to a million. I was like, dude, I just made a fucking million dollars in 55 days. This stock is not gonna get me out. So I kept adding. I didn't stop out adding. So my position was around twelve dollars. It went to 14, add more. Went to 15, add more. Went to 16, add more. And again, as a stock is going against you, when you're short, you lose money. It's not traditionally when it goes up, you make money. When it goes up, you lose money. 16, add more, 17, add more, 18, add more, 19, add more 20, add more.
SPEAKER_02:What was the symbol? TOP. Oh, that's a shipping company. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's that's a different, yeah, different uh different time, but yeah. Um 18, 19, 20. At that point, dude, I was like, fuck me, dude. Like this is not, this is getting out of control. And then the market closed. It closed and I was down, and I still had my position. I was like, dude, like maybe. And normally you get out, or you don't hold it overnight. Normally I get out, dude. And then after hours, 21, 22, they were punishing the short, they were squeezing 24, 25. At that point, bro, by the time I got out, it was at$30. I got out$30, I lost$450,000. I was devastated. Next day, went to$300. Oh my god. I would have lost$10 million had I not got it out. It would have been the worst. I would have been fucking who knows what the fuck would have happened to me. But that at the moment I got it at$30,000 was$450,000. Dude, I didn't know what the fuck to do. Back at the time, I wasn't married. I had she was my girlfriend at the time. I was like, I just had like the worst day of my life. Like, I can't leave my office. Like, I don't know what to do. Like, I'm fucking frozen. And she's like, let's just go to Cheesecake Factory. She's like, let's go get like some cake. In premise. Uh yeah, yeah. So she's like, let's go get some cake. Cause I love chocolate cake, whatever. So she tried to cheer me up. And you know, it took me a long time to recover from that loss because over here it got broken. It got broken because the next day I came back, I said, I'm gonna make it back. Next day I came back, I made like$80,000.
SPEAKER_02:Fuck her. Yeah, normally you'd be fucking happy at 80,000, right?
SPEAKER_01:Okay, we're like, here we go. And the day after that, I lost$50,000. And I was like, oh shit, like, what the hell? And I was like, dude, I can't, I can't do this because I'm going up and down. Yeah. So I was like, you know what, dude? Like instead of going up and down nonstop, let me just get back to basics. Let me just slow it down. Let me just kind of just take it slow. And I think by the I think that was in April. That loss was in April. And by the end of the year, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December, eight months later, I made the entire loss plus a million dollars on top of that. Oh. So ever since then, I am very, very strict with my number, my max loss, my risk. What's your max loss number now? Uh, it depends. Like 20K. I'm okay losing 20. Because the way I say it is this your max loss should be no more than two days worth of your work. If you make$100 a day, you have to set your max loss at$200 because it'll only take you two days to make it back. What ends up happening is someone's max loss, someone makes$100 a day, they set their max loss to$10,000. It takes them three months to make it back. It makes no sense. So these days I'm averaging, you know, three, five, ten thousand dollars. So I'm okay having a$20,000 on max loss. But when that first red day comes, when that big opportunity comes, I'm okay changing that to$200,000,$300,000 because I know that the odds are more in my favor.
SPEAKER_02:Correct. Well, I know thank you for sharing that story. Because I was gonna ask you what's the biggest day you ever had, but I was also kind of go to what's what the worst day you have. I try to block out that worst day, man. I try to block out. That's a you know, that's a great story because when you say that it it you got out of 30, what I thought you were you were gonna say next at the next day, that shit went back to like 15. You know, because we've all been there and that that that fucks you up when that happens because like that that keeps you in place. Like I've been there where I I was like, all right, and and I get out, and like then it goes the other motherfucker, man.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and then like it most of the time, most of the time, as soon as you get out, it does the interviews. But in this time, I mean, like it was just what was it? What what caused it? But 30 to 300? Like, what was the like a Chinese like pump and dump type of thing? Wow, it's just crazy, like really, really crazy. Like, I've because back back then, like you think, all right, you like what's the highest it's gonna go to? Maybe 40, maybe 50.
SPEAKER_02:Like, what it's not gonna go to 100, dude. It went to 300, dude. That shit could have been gone to 3000. That that's a that's a thing with the market, man. It's like roulette, right? People will see black hit eight times a row. Like, I'm going red. It can go another, it can go to 100. There's no it is what it is. So that's you gotta respect the market. It's like the ocean, the waves, right? I live right on the water and in in in in Florida. The there'll be days, the waves are fucking treacherous, man. You know, you gotta respect the way that's what the market is like. The same thing is that and that's why, like, you know, I know I had a big date, my best trading day ever two days ago, but I know that if I get my head gets fucked up, I'll lose that and then something that and that's the thing. I know shorting, you make a lot of money shorting, but the uh the other thing is that you're really playing fire because if you don't really have good discipline, you have unlimited losses.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, look, you could have unlimited losses, but the way I say too is like if you're buying a stock and you're buying it on margin, and if it starts crashing down, you're dead too.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like you're dead too both ways. They always say, Oh, but a stock the lowest could go zero. Not if you're playing with margin, motherfucker. If you're playing with margin, which I think is very dangerous, you could get destroyed very quickly. Like, for example, let's use Tesla or use Meta Facebook from years ago. Facebook was at like$300 a share, and if you had that on margin, that thing went down to$90. I remember that. And now it's at$750. You would have gotten blown out, lost all your fucking money, and not been there for the rebound. Yeah, so it works both ways.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no, it is, man. And that that's um, I I uh I have my marketing business, right? LOU shows mainly working with digital marketers, lead general, but it's it's it's running a business. It's and you treat trading as a business, is what it comes down to, right? And then we know like when we buy, we have a certain campaign, we're gonna spend X amount of money, and then if it's not working, you shut the campaign off, right? And it's the same thing when they come, you have to have your rules, is what it comes down to, right?
SPEAKER_01:It's everything in life, man. It's everything in life requires rules and requires discipline, right? It's it's everything. So if you're disciplined, what the way I see it is the most successful traders that I've met are not the smartest guys. Honestly, the smartest guys are always the biggest, yeah. They're the worst, man. They're the truth. They overanalyze, you'd be a little nervous. You want the smartest money out, you don't want those guys, bro. What I see the people are military people and fitness people. Why? Because they're disciplined. The military has taught them discipline. Fitness, if you want a good body, I mean, you have to be disciplined. So I've always seen that military, and honestly, so it sounds kind of crazy, but women are amazing traders. Yeah, I you know what?
SPEAKER_02:I don't know why there's not more women traders. Women are amazing. So in my investing club, I'm how many people are in that in your right now? So we have uh about 2,300 active members right now. So what percentage are women? Do you know? I mean, you might not know, but it's that's that one percent. That's fucking crazy. I count the women on my hands. Yeah, you know, there's uh there's someone Shelby Sapp. She's got a community of where she teaches uh women how to sell the high-ticket salespeople, which I think she's like honestly, when I've when I have really good saleswomen, they they outperform the men way better. They're more disciplined, they they just it just works better, right? But the point is that there should be a community for women traders, right? You think that would that would fuck.
SPEAKER_01:You know what it is, man? You know what it is? Women remember everything. They remember everything. So they're very good at remembering these patterns. How do we get it again, dude? That's that's what makes them so good. So I think, I mean, I don't know how much of your audience is women, but women I think are some of the best traders ever.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think it's funny because uh I did I did this, I think 8% of our guests are are women, and that that's I think that's about what our industry is about, 8%. So we're right, we're right about there. But um, yeah, I mean they're they're in our industry, they do phenomenal, right? Especially when they're you know in a good industry, good vertical, they make it work. But yeah, I think that that's uh that's something I didn't think about. Um there's been some there's you're market wizards you read that book, right? I think I forgot there was there was a woman, was Linda, I forgot her name, but but she was phenomenal. Like, yeah, there's gotta be more women traders, man. It makes a lot of sense. I think someone that creates a women trading community is gonna fucking kill it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think there's some out there, but the problem is also, like we said, like the authenticity, the legitimateness. Like that's that's the biggest thing out there because all these people online, especially in Miami, bro, these guys are driving Bugattis, dude. They're driving Bugattis and they don't know the first thing about trading, but they're the best marketers I've ever seen. They sell the sizzle, they're so good at marketing. If I had their marketing with my trading, bro, it'd be unstoppable. But I'm a trader first, right? My primary income is trading. I love trading, it's who I am. And I'm not really in the business of marketing, right? But they're in the business of marketing with a little sprinkle of trading, you know?
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's what I want to ask you too. Because how do you balance uh the the community? I mean, are you who's who's who's in charge of the community? Is it you or do you buy the T It's me? I'm in there. But so does that does that help you or does that give you more pressure? Because I was thinking about that uh before this interview. I I I have a I have a buddy of mine that has a community, and I I'm I'm not he uh uh I he let me like the some exclusive thing. I don't even have to pay for it, man. And he's his picks have been phenomenal, man. But the point is like I was thinking about him or someone like you, like if you did like blow up online and had like, I don't know, 5x the number of members, would that fuck up your trading? You know, like I it's gotta be a trade-off to that, no?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know what it is. Like I really love doing it, man. I love trading, I love everything about it. And to me, it brings me a lot of joy seeing people succeed because I wish I had that when I first started, right? So for me, I love it. I love seeing it. It definitely is a lot of responsibility. You know, I don't take as many days off as I should because I feel so responsible. But at the end of the day, it's the choice that I made, right? I want to be leaving a longer-term legacy on people knowing that if they join our community, they'll become a successful trader. And that to me is worth all the bragging rights, it's worth everything and it requires sacrifice for like everything, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I love it, man. So let's go. I don't know if we we answered the question. I get so when you're doing the vending process, I guess you're looking to see does the person have discipline, right? Or are they like so who we teach discipline?
SPEAKER_01:We could, I just want to make sure you're in it for the long term and you're serious. That at the end of the day, that's all it comes down to. We could teach discipline, we could teach the strategy, we could teach the mental, but the problem is the time horizon. Are you willing to sacrifice a year, you know, learning, watching, adjusting? And what I do is I trade live every day. So I go on Zoom for my members and they literally watch me execute live in real time every single day. So that's a very big privilege. And I only want those people that are serious to see that privilege, you know?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. How how does that work though? So they'll watch you, let's say you let's take, let's say you trade Tesla live, right? I don't know if you I don't think you guys you know do you trade the big caps, do you trade small caps, right? Well, let's let's use Tesla as an example or a small cap player, right? Like a four dollar stock. Do do they hop piggyback off those?
SPEAKER_01:And does that we don't really recommend to do that because the reality is like what I try to say is we're teaching you the strategy. I want you to seek the strategy be executed in real time so you know it's real, right? So what we tell people is I mean, if you choose to replicate the trades, what happens if God forbid I get hit by a bus or I don't show up today? Right? It's not gonna teach you how to trade, but if you could see the pattern being executed from me every single day, it starts to give you confidence. Confidence will give you the ability to size up. You know, if you see those setups occurring over and over again, you're like, dude, I just saw Alex take this trade last week. I know it's the exact same trade. He's probably got to take it again. This is the one that I'm gonna size up on, and that's how you do it.
SPEAKER_02:Got it, guys. So it's more about the pattern recognition, right? And and being able to identify that next on so you could take full advantage.
SPEAKER_01:It's like, what is it, the four-minute mile? Everyone thought it was impossible until they saw the guy do it. It's the same thing. Everyone thinks trading is impossible until they see someone do it in a professional way.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no, and that's what it seems, believe in it. I I went to college during this whole prop trading took off, right? And I remember the the biggest day I saw, it was funny. This was a man, I think it was October, I don't know, it was the third or the eighth of 2003, I think it was. The NASDAQ was getting crushed, bro. It went from an all-time high at 5,000. I think you get to like a thousand. And this this guy was a day, he was one of the owners in the prop trading firm. Uh, he used to be like day trade, but he was convinced that there was a massive money you made if you swan, you did like some swing trades and started buying some of these bottoms. So I I sat next to him, and I this was like one of the days I think I made like 1,200 bucks. I was really happy. Like, I mean fucking$1200. I was 22 years old, I made$1200 today, right? Just day trading. And I look at him, he's he's fucking down$249,000,999. I'm like, yeah, how the fuck do you go home being down$249,000? He the guy was a smoker, he smoked, and I remember he gave a speech like guys, I don't know if you guys have long-term money, but this I firmly believe we're good, but we're gonna I normally I don't want to say this shit. We're near a bottom. He was talking, breaking it all down. He has so much passion. And the next day, that fucking PL went from negative 249 to plus like 250. Yeah, he made a half a million dollar swing, and the guy didn't sell, man. Like, yeah, yeah, he didn't sell for like weeks, so he must have made three to five million at least. At least, at least off that move. Because he was he had all the semiconductors, like there was like lattice, clack, all that stuff. And those are the it's kind of like we talked about during April, you know, the people that got in then. So he he he bought the fucking bottom, right? And it looked like everything sky. I'm in New York at the time. Fucking people are like getting destroyed, like fuck the market. You know, it happened in April, man.
SPEAKER_00:Think about all the headlines, all the Great Depression, recession is coming, trade war with China, trade war with Europe, trade war everywhere, down, down, down.
SPEAKER_01:And then it's funny enough, Trump tweets that day. He's like, It's a good time to buy. Yes, yes, yes. And one hour later, it's the bomb of the market, and shit shoots up, dude.
SPEAKER_02:Bro, I was gonna say something because you we you were talking earlier about we were talking about something similar, and it reminded me in 2008, President Obama did something very similar, and I remember like, Well, how the fuck does a president go on TV and say because uh now's a good time to buy? He says something very similar, and I swear I remember this. He's talking somewhere, he's like, Listen, guys, I know it's it's been like tough economic. He's like saying we're gonna do all this stuff, and you're like, Are you? We're at all time lows, it probably be a good time to buy. I'm like, Who the why would he? This guy don't know. Like, I feel like it's because I went to NYU, I worked, I was I did a lot of training. Like, how's this fucking guy talking about buying stocks? I'm like, This guy's gonna mislead the public, yeah. And you know what? That was like the fucking bottom, and then Trump did it 15, 16 years later. So when the president says buy fucking stocks, buy bro, it's mortgage the fucking house.
SPEAKER_01:It's crazy. I saw an interview, I saw an interview with Trump recently where they asked him a question about that, and he's like, Mr. President, like, did you know like something that was gonna happen? I just felt like the market was low. It's like I felt like the market was low and it's good enough.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that is something crazy because I I'm glad you mentioned that because I I saw that happen in 20. Wait, it's guess what? It's gonna happen again. These shits repeat themselves. It might be five, 10, 20 years ago, but when that fucking happens, this just gonna blow up, this go viral.
SPEAKER_01:Like I said, bro, when everyone is panicking, when everyone's selling, sell yours, say sell your stocks, that's when you want to buy. You don't want to buy when everything is at all-time highs, all-time highs, all-time highs, because the reality is human greed always repeats itself, man. Every five to three years, there's a big correction that always happens because humans are always greedy. So I would say right now with the market all-time highs is not the time to buy. You want to be buying when everyone says it's going down, it's crashing, it's over. And for me, I feel like a lot of people fail at longer-term investing because they're trying to find the next Microsoft, the next Google, the next Apple. The fuck are you trying to do find the next one? If you know that AI is here to stay, what are the top companies in AI? It's obviously gonna be Tesla in uh material, robotics, AI, and self-driving. It's obviously gonna be NVIDIA in chips and semiconductors, obviously gonna be Oracle and Cloud Storage, it's obviously gonna be Google, it's obviously gonna be Facebook, it's obviously gonna be all these obvious companies, even Microsoft, like Microsoft owns 50% of open AI, which ChatGPT. I mean, if you believe that AI is the future, why the hell are you trying to find the next AI stocks? Just go on the biggest ones that are continuing to go higher. A lot of people never thought that NVIDIA could hit 4 trillion in market cap, dude. 4 trillion for guys like us, dude. 4 trillion.
SPEAKER_02:We're like, what the fuck is I remember when the first was it Apple first trillion dollars? Yeah. And you know what when that happened? I like, we gotta be at a bubble because like fucking one trillion is such a big number.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. But like the numbers, again, at the end of the day, you know, I'm no expert, but you know, I've done pretty solid for myself. But we might be in a world where video is worth 10 trillion in 10 years. Exactly. Yeah, it might not be next year, it might not be the year after, but maybe 10 years later, who knows what's gonna change, dude.
SPEAKER_02:Look at Tesla, right? They uh the board told uh Elon Musk they hit was it eight trillion market cap, he'll he he gets a trillion dollars.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so if they hit an eight trillion dollar market cap, Elon gets one trillion dollars. And if he doesn't, he doesn't get anything.
SPEAKER_02:Bro, that's so fucking crazy. And look, they did that, and what the stock went from like 330 to 420. Like, look, look at that. How much market cap did that company?
SPEAKER_01:Elon himself, he bought shares of his own company. He was last week. He bought shares on the oh he bought a billion dollars worth of stock. So if you have the CEO of one of the largest AI companies buying stock, and you do not believe that at least the smartest man in the entire fucking world knows what the hell he's doing. Like, to me, Tesla is like an all-in type of bet. They have the physical robotics, they have AI with self-driving cars, and there's so many other things that are gonna happen. So, so long as you believe that AI and robotics and all these things are the future, don't try to find the new ones, just stick to the ones that are already working. You know, it's gonna be very hard for another robotics company to keep up with Tesla because they have the manufacturing. Yeah, the manufacturing is the entire business, right? So, how the hell are you gonna find another robotics company that's gonna master the manufacturing? It might be possible, or you can just follow this wave, you know?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's great. I mean, there's there's it's you can I I I'm so excited about this episode. I I I'm I've seen that. Yeah, I went to college and why you during the dot-com bubble. I saw people make so much freaking money. I saw people lose so much money. And I just know, like, when you you prepare, like there's so much you can do. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Here's what I think. I think that for the next three years, while Trump is in office, we're gonna have probably some of the strongest bull market in our entire life. He's very pro-business, he's bringing all the business people in. It's like an open door policy. So I think for the next three years, the market, no matter if it dips or not, the market overall in the next three years is gonna go up. I think that the moment this guy leaves office, everything's gonna collapse. I think there's gonna be so much hype, so much momentum, so much volume that the day that he's out of office, everything's gonna go straight down. So I'm trying to make as much money as I can long term for the next three years and then hopefully cash out. And then the cycle is gonna repeat. It's gonna go straight down, straight down, straight down, straight down, and then you get to pick up the pieces.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and then someone like you that you you flip both sides, you're not loyal to one and you look for the patterns, right? So when that happens, I'm sure you're gonna catch a lot of, you know. Hopefully we both catch. Yeah, no, no, yeah, that's uh for real. So um, real quick, so we you mentioned that that that your worst day was$450,000. What was your best day?
SPEAKER_01:About$700,000. Well,$700,000. I'm still waiting for that million dollar day, but$700,000. So I've actually had two$700,000 days. I'm still like, I can't crunch. This is just day trading. It's day trading, like uh get in and get out. So I'll talk about the two days because I'm both at$700. I I want to at least hit$800 or something, but so one of the$700 days was INDO. So if you remember when Russia invaded Ukraine, a lot of oil and gas stocks went crazy. So do you remember INDO? It sounds familiar. I think I saw I saw it come across, but I did nothing with that player. So when Russia invaded Ukraine, all these gas companies, the sectors went freaking insane. There's one company, INDO, went from$2 to$75. It set up for a first red day. I shorted it at 70, went down to 30, made 700,000. That was one of the things.
SPEAKER_02:So how many shares did you have? Uh 50,000 shares, maybe. Okay, so so when it when it first broke the patent, you you you executed, what did you buy all 50,000 at once, or did you like scale in?
SPEAKER_01:So the way the first red day works is after a multiple extension move, the first day that it goes red, it goes from green to red, you enter. So what I do is I'll enter like 20 It goes red intraday, is what you're saying. Intraday. Okay. So let's say let's say red to green is 65 dollars and it's at 70. Yeah. So it goes to 69, 68, 65. As soon as it hits that 65, it starts to go down. So you're playing the momentum. You're playing the momentum. It's called the first red day, because the first red day that it hits, it usually subsides a lot, especially if it's extended like that. So I shorted maybe 25,000 shares and went down and I added to the winner and had 50,000 shares. And you know, I'm sure I could have made a lot more money had I held, but dude, at that point, I was like, dude, like in an hour, I was off like 500k. And then I just kept trying to push for more, and that's it. So that was I and DO. My next$700,000 day was AMC. So AMC. Yeah. Everyone knows AMC.
SPEAKER_02:Fuck that went up so bad, man. I got an alert. Someone said, Yo, something's going on with this thing. And I I think I put in an or like I should have just bought the damn thing. Then it fucked. And that one, I forgot about that one. Wow.
SPEAKER_01:AMC. So AMC was during the big hype, the big momentum, I think 2021, 2021, who can't even remember. It hit as high as like 70 bucks. Yeah. Right. And I was up pre-market and I was looking to short it out that day. It was potentially setting up for first red day, but then news hit pre-market. It had news of an ATM offering, which is essentially dilution. And for people that don't know what dilution means, it means when the company starts issuing more shares to raise cash. When more shares are issued, there's more supply into the market. And with more supply, usually price goes down, right? It's like if you have only a hundred of these watches, it's more valuable than they create the next round that has 10,000 of them. So when they introduce more of these watches that come out, it dilutes the value, right? So AMC had news that they were diluting their stock. It went from 70. As soon as I saw that news, I shorted as much as I could. As much as I could. When did the news come out? Pre-market? Pre-market. It was like 6 or 7 a.m.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's why you have to be up early to catch up. Because what happened was it probably 10, you saw that guys.
SPEAKER_01:And boom, you caused the momentum. Yeah. So the news came out, very negative news. It was setting up for a first red day. So I was there, I was prepared. And as soon as the news came out, I shorted it and I just kept adding to the winner. And I think that day it went from$70 to$20, and I made$700,000.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and you know what's crazy about that? You talking about catching a falling knife, that there is a lot of people, it goes from the stock worth from what, like$10 to$70, right?
SPEAKER_01:I think there's some more than that. And now it's like I think reverse split, split, adjusted. Yeah. I actually have a YouTube video of me trading it that day. I could send it to you where I'm literally live. And you know, I have my PL there where it's 500K locked in and 200K unrealized. So I'll send you that. Maybe we'll pop up on the screen.
SPEAKER_02:I'd love to see that. But what I'm trying to say is like, so it goes from 70, 65, 60. So maybe maybe when it gets like 50, people are like, oh, this shit's gonna bounce, right? They're gonna squeeze shorts. But people, that's where you get fucked, man. You get in this, you could you it's like the one that went from uh 30 to 300. Yeah. That the AMC could have gone to 10, 5 that day, right?
SPEAKER_01:It could have, but at the end of the day, like by being a fundamental trader and knowing the news, I knew that news was fucking it's gonna destroy the stock. But someone inexperienced, someone that doesn't know, doesn't really know. And I've had like multiple six-figure days on like honestly, GameStop, Bed Bath and Beyond, and AMC probably count for like, I don't know, maybe like 20 to 25 percent of my overall profits ever. Wow. Right. And all on the short side. And that's same the same pattern.
SPEAKER_02:Same pattern. That's same pattern. Well, old reliable, man. That's amazing. Yeah, I love it. I was gonna ask you, uh we've come up on time here, but what's your daily routine like on a trading day?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, great question. So when I was younger, I was way more motivated. You know, as I've been getting older, I've been getting a little bit lazier. So I'll tell you the lazy version that I do. So lazy version is usually wake up at 6:30 a.m. Uh wake up at 6 30 a.m., grab my phone. First thing I do is I check the markets. Is the overall index is gapping up, gapping down? Is there news? You know, with Trump these days, you never know what the news is gonna be out there. So I want to see what's moving the market. And then I go get a coffee from the espresso machine because I'm a zombie without it. Drink a special, turn on my computer. As soon as I get to my computer, what I'm looking for is a top percentage gainers on the day. I'm looking for the stocks that are up the most on the day. Because the stocks are up the most on the day have the most room to come back down. So I'm looking at the top 10 or 15 stocks. Then I'm looking at the news. Is it up on pharmaceutical news? Is it up on, you know, uh Chinese news? Is it up on no news? Because a lot of these stocks sometimes are up on no news. Okay, after that, I'd like to read the company filings. Is the company known to have a dilutive nature? Are they known to not dilute? Are they known to, you know, be a little bit sketchy? So I read the filings. After I do that, I look at the daily chart. By looking at the daily chart, I know the overall pattern of the stock. What my favorite thing to see is I like to see these stocks that every time it goes up, the same day it comes down. Every time it goes up, the same day it comes down because the pattern is gonna probably repeat. Once I find the stock that, you know, is fitting all these different patterns, I look at the pre-market action. How is the stock trading pre-market? Is it continuously going up or did it make one move and just kind of come back down? What I'm looking for as a short bias trader is everyone thinks you're looking for the stock that keeps going up and up and up. What I'm looking for is I'm looking for the stock that came up and just kind of came back down because what's gonna happen is like a bouncing ball. If it bounces, it's gonna fail. If it bounces, it's gonna fail versus a stock that's strong, it's probably gonna continue higher. So after using that pre-market action, I determined, you know, through support and resistance, which is technical analysis, learning how to read a chart, uh, where I'm gonna enter. And if it bounces to that level, I'm gonna take the short and hopefully write it down. So today was one of those days where there was a couple of stocks moving, but it didn't really like nothing really felt, you know, clear cut to me. Nothing really felt like a 20 black jackhand. So I just at a little bit less, right? So that's kind of what today was. But yesterday was a super big opportunity day. There was a stock that went from$7 down to$3 pre-market and bounced up to$5. So I shorted that bounce and you know, kind of closed right back down to$3. A dead cat bounce. A dead cat bounce, essentially. So that was a really great trade. So I'm always consistently looking for those. And the thing is, oh, how do you know what stocks to find? How do you know what stocks to trade? Finding the stocks is the easiest part, man. Trading them is what requires, you know, the expertise.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and the next level stuff. What I wanna I want to go back, right? And thanks for sharing that, but I want to go back to that day uh where you lost a 450, right? Because um, you know, you mentioned uh that's Nikki, right? She was with you there, and then and you're married to Nikki. Great. When I want to talk about that, the your your partner, right? Whether it's your wife, girlfriend, whatever it is, and in trading and any sport, like whatever. Like we talked about being met sports, like that uh that her knowing go to Cheesecake Factory, eat eat the eat the what chocolate cake. The Linda's chocolate fudge cake, man. Yeah, that's the best thing. Well, like it's just amazing how she knew that that would perk you up, right? So, how much of your success trading you attribute to her?
SPEAKER_01:She's the best, man. Uh, so she's just really supportive, right? She's really, really supportive. Like, I never, you know, when I was younger, I never really talked to trading with any of the girls that I would be dating or talking to. Yeah, they just wouldn't get it. Yeah, they wouldn't get it. And like it was, she was kind of the first one where, you know, not really talking about the numbers, but kind of what's behind the numbers, essentially, right? And she's always been there to support me. If I'm ever having like a good day, she always wants to make sure I celebrate. If I'm having a bad day, she's always there to pick me up. You know, if there's a stock that is causing me like some issues or like some some headaches, I text her. I'm like, hey, you know, I'm having a tough day. This stock is kind of kicking my ass. So what she'll do is she's great. She'll like, while she's working, she has like a tab open of the stock. And like, oh, if it goes down, she's sending me like partying emojis. If it's going up, she's not fucking texting me. That's all. So having that support system is great. And I think having a partner that supports you, whether it be uh trading, investing, or anything, is really important because at the end of the day, you don't have to be the best at something. But so long as you're trying to just be better and you have a partner that supports you trying to be better, I think that's the most important thing.
SPEAKER_02:I wanted to bring that up because I think it's it's very overlooked, right? Having a supportive spouse, uh partner, whatever it is nowadays you want to call it, like that's half the battle, right? I mean, it's it's hard to find, man.
SPEAKER_01:These days and age the younger kids are screwed, man. They're really screwed, honestly. Like it's in this day and age of social media and flexing and bragging, bro, everything's fucking fake. You never know what's real, you know. Like you see these guys on social media, they're flying around in jets and they're driving around these cars. Dude, these guys could barely afford their rent and they're putting all their money into a car, or like they can't even fly first class, but they're spending all their money on one private plane so that they could flex and brag. I mean, these days, this day and age, I think that so long as you focus on just being the best version of yourself rather than trying to keep up with Jones's dude, like I think it's I think that's the key, man. Like, I have all the nice cars, I have all the nice watches, I have all the nice everything, but like I don't really care to post that on social media because that's not who I am, right? You know, it'd be great for business, it'd be great for marketing, but like that's not who I am. So I think this day and age of the kids is at least try to go out more, at least try to be more social, at least try to, you know, do things and don't really involve your phone. Dude, I'm addicted to my phone. I really am, but like I try to That's how you make your money. Yeah, it's hard to do it is, but like, dude, if after a certain point, like I'm like uh we're on vacation with my wife and like she's taking photos. Every single photo, dude, every single photo, I'm like this. Every single photo. You know what I'm saying? So like I think this day and age, if people just, you know, focus on real, serious, like connection, I think that's gonna be really important. And that's why with our community, we meet up with each other in person. It's very different to be online and talking to everyone every day, but you know, once a year we host a big boot camp where we bring all of our members for free to just hang out and have a blast. And I think that human, physical, face-to-face connection in this digital world is lacking.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I love it, man. This is this is a great interview. I mean, I'm I'm so passionate about this and to be with somebody that's been doing this as long as you've been doing, having a level of success, you're having humble about it too, right? I mean, again, there's a lot of flash. There's a lot of people who are just, you know, all they care about numbers or fake numbers. I mean, you you care, you're you're like an artist. You care about the the art of this, right? And the the signs behind it, right? Is what it comes down to.
SPEAKER_01:And let me tell you something. So, what I've learned is you will never meet a real successful trader that's not humble. Why? Because the market humbles you, man. The market always finds a way to humble you. So if you have not been humbled by the market, you're not really trading, right? You might be making a little bit of money, or you might be, if you want to be a real professional trader, a top, top, top level trader, you could always tell who's legit by how humble they are. Because if not, they have not been humbled by the market, which means they're not really involved in the market. So the more humble you remain, the better the market will treat you, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I see that in business too, or in what I do in lead generation and any uh entrepreneurs I work with, the the ones that are humble, they're the ones that you want to latch on to and that do stuff.
SPEAKER_01:And they're always the ones that got fuck you money, bro. Always, every single time. Every single time. It's always the guy that's the most quiet that has the most, right? The guys that are bragging the most are the ones that have the rented cars or the, you know, the trying to prove something, man.
SPEAKER_02:It's like for what, you know?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, all I'm trying to do, man, is as long as I could trade it during the day, have a nice steak and chocolate cake and watch my TV. That's all I care about, man. I just want to relax a little bit after my long day. I don't really care to keep up with anyone. You know, I don't really uh me and my wife, we keep our circle very tight, and that's just it.
SPEAKER_02:That's true. And I've seen it, man. I've seen it everything he's saying is real. That's why I wanted to have you on here. Is there anything we didn't touch upon you want to touch upon? Nah, I think we're good. I think the question is maybe what we should ask the viewers what do they want to see next time? Yeah, no, let's do it. I do a part two. Yeah, we gotta do a part two. We we should do something live, like a live trading thing. And then we'll what I want to do, you know what, guys? We go to all the shows. We're in Budapest. Oh, you fucking guys, I love the show. You gotta comment. You want us to keep growing? That helps the fucking algorithm. You like this shit? So we're gonna do something. Maybe we do something where we do like a giveaway, maybe the AMC trade, but you gotta we'll figure something out, maybe something, something where there's a certain amount of likes or a certain amount of comments.
SPEAKER_01:We'll do a live trading session. Run it, whatever, whatever you guys want.
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