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The LFG Show
Vegas, Casinos, And The Degen Gold Rush
Victor Muñoz didn’t just survive Vegas… he became part of its DNA. And today on The LFG Show, we hit the Strip to break down the NEW digital gold rush sweeping the globe. 🎰🌎🔥
Vegas sharpens instincts. And in this episode we tap into all of it — social casinos onboarding the 50+ crowd without crypto, prediction markets turning conviction into real tradable odds, and AI tools pumping out creative so fast your competition can’t even keep up. The game is edge… finding it, keeping it, and compounding it over time. 💰⚡️
We dive into how social casinos really work, why they convert like crazy in the U.S., what “negative spread” means for operators and affiliates, and why hybrid deals protect your cash flow even when volatility spikes. Watch how retention flips your cohorts green and where demand is exploding right now: Brazil, Italy, Germany, Spain, and Canada. 🌍🚀
Then we pivot to prediction markets — one of the fastest-moving spaces in performance. Funding is surging. The first platform that fully embraces affiliates is going to unleash insane scale. If you’ve ever wondered when to stop being “just” a buyer and finally become an operator… this episode gives you the blueprint. 🧠📈
AI enters the chat as your creative accelerant. We talk practical wins with Sora and Google’s VO3, how to cut prompt time while improving output, which tools actually matter, and why aggregators like Higgs Field help you catch new model updates before the masses. Pair that with small masterminds and side events — the places where REAL numbers get shared — and you’ll understand why proximity is power. 🤝🔥
We wrap by showing how to use your insider vantage point to invest one layer below the hype… in the picks-and-shovels that win long after the trend chasers burn out. This is how you build an unfair advantage and stop playing small.
If you’re serious about scaling casinos, testing prediction markets, or leveling up your AI creative engine, this episode gives you the plays AND the mindset to operate, not just optimize. Share this with someone who needs an edge and smash subscribe so you never miss the next wave. LFG 🐻🍯💰
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SPEAKER_00:Great. It was a quick little Denver uh contact.
SPEAKER_01:You had the NASA. NASA shirt on NASA. We're going to the fucking moon, baby. Take your profits to the moon on this show. Good to have you on here, man. Yeah, bro. My man was in ColumbiaCon one. He was in ColumbiaCon too. The motherfucking gets around, man. Yes, sir. He knows, right? You gotta, you gotta you gotta travel. You gotta go to these shows. You gotta talk, see what's going on, man. You and I can say one thing about you. You're a great student of this, of this um, of what we do here, right? Yeah, of course, yeah. And um, I when we had the first ColumbiaCon we had, I was very like, you know, you you weren't an event. This is my first like event I actually didn't, and I was nervous, man. Me and Samara were nervous, and you could tell people kind of get acclimated. You came, I think you came a little late, but you came in, you started asking a lot of questions. Yep, you're asking a lot of questions, and there were like relevant questions, and people like that. I think you you you you changed the whole tone, and like people started going after you got there. So appreciate it. I want to thank you for that, man.
SPEAKER_00:Appreciate that. Yeah, I was a little late. Like uh I had like some family stuff going on, but I just don't need to make it. And yeah, just you know, we're out there, we might as well start asking questions, you know. So yeah, that's kind of like the biggest takeaway, I think, for like stuff really quick on um just traveling, you know, ask questions when you're there. You already made the effort to go.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, absolutely. So, casino, right? Um, when you you came to the second Columbia Con, and uh at the first one we didn't really talk too much, but I was glad you were there. And the second one you were at, and you had brought some some partners you work with in the casino space, and that that opened my eyes because obviously uh most of what I've done has been in like I don't know what you what do you want to call it? I don't know if you want to call it white hat, whatever fucking, you know, solar, home improvement, and insurance, debt, financial services, that kind of shit. But uh I went to college during the dot-com bubble, right? Yeah, and I I I I believe I saw how much money was made in the loss in the stock market, you see what's going on with crypto. I've been around the block, right? And I think that we're I I call this the DGen economy. I think we're in the fucking gold rush of the DGEN economy, right? I would have to agree. You agree, right? So and to see you with the partners there, and we talked about doing this and stuff to you. Like, I feel like it's such a fucking gold rush, and it's not just America, it's international, right? So let's talk about that and what you're doing in this space.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so for casino, I primarily work with social casinos right now. So for those of you who don't know that, um, basically it's casinos that are free to play, but they offer uh packages where people can purchase coins to win like real cash prizes. That's kind of like the legal loophole. Um, but essentially it's all US market stuff. Um, there's some states that are excluded from that, but pretty much I run that. Um, I feel like the reason why that's a little bit better for me is just I live in the states, I live in Vegas, so I kind of know a lot of the casino lingo. So it's a little bit easier for me to do uh to like run those ads and be like proficient in them. But I've also ran like stuff in Brazil before, like kind of Europe countries like Italy, Germany, those are hot markets. Um I've done some stuff in Canada. So casinos always is gonna be relevant. It just depends on like the barrier of entry, right? So, for example, the reason why I like social casinos, people could just run their cards. So now you have you're tapping into the whole demographic that's like 50 years old and older that doesn't know how to have a meta mask and get into crypto and then go on ring bit or stakes. So, like those are kind of like the demographic that those bigger crypto casinos are missing. So I kind of just found it to be a little bit balanced that kind of tied in with my previous experiences with e-com and whatnot. So it just kind of was a perfect storm for me, but it's gonna be big everywhere no matter what.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know what I read too today, and I I wanted to know if you're doing anything, these prediction markets, right? Yeah, I was here what a oh I was here last year. Oh, yeah, I think it was at this show, right? So right around before the elections, right? And it was like Biden, Trump, and then and then you see you see the fucking bets live. It was Cal She. You see like a whole bunch of money for Trump, then you see like a big motherfucker for Biden, like 50,000, 100,000, 60. It was just crazy, and it becomes like addictive. You're looking at this shit like wow, right? And you kind of wanted to like, oh, let me put my fucking money in there, right? Yeah, so they're saying they're saying these prediction markets are gonna be bigger than the stock markets.
SPEAKER_00:Uh I agree. I um so I was funny enough, I was just talking yesterday to a guy who just got funded. So he provides the software that those prediction markets basically utilize to like make the predictions, I guess. I I don't know too much about it, but he just got funded one million and he's only been in the business for like a month. Wow. So the money's gonna be big. I could only imagine a year from now how much he's gonna be funded at that point, whether it be VC capital or whatever it is. Um, so I think that's kind of where the market's shifting, especially because that's more legalized between all with these states as opposed to real social casino, like California just shut down social casino. So in a few months, that's gonna be completely like you can no longer run traffic to California, which is probably like arguably the biggest or second biggest state. So, you know, as this is kind of getting more regulated, I think that's there's gonna be more of a space for these poly markets or like hoshies, kind of just predictive markets because it's open, it's open bets everywhere.
SPEAKER_01:So, um how to how do we, as it's always affiliates, media bars, sale is dev guys, how do we benefit? I how can we jump?
SPEAKER_00:I think uh first off, I think um it's more just us, you know, getting Hoshi and getting polymarket and finding the people who are in charge of the marketing department to take on affiliates. From what I understand, and just my quick research, I haven't found like that they have like pretty decent affiliate programs yet. I think the first competitor of them that does come out with a good affiliate program that allows like the majority of normal marketers to go ahead and get into that is gonna be huge. I think they're gonna like benefit from that, and that's gonna be like really, really big for everybody. Um, in terms of us just getting in it out on the like just on the outside in, is like pretty much whoever has the capital to start something like that. You know, I don't know how much that entails. Like, you know, that could be from my understanding to start something similar like that, like a social casino, for example, it's about three million dollars to start it. It doesn't sound like crazy though. It doesn't sound that crazy for what you're getting. Yeah, um, keep in mind you're probably gonna lose money for the first year, but then from there it's pretty much profit. So that's one thing to consider as well. So with this, I'm not sure predictive markets maybe cost a little bit more to get something going, or maybe it costs a little bit less, but it's definitely feasible for anybody who wants to go ahead and do it. It's just, you know, doing it at that point.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and that's what I love about what what we do is that there's always something, it's always something newer, a new kind of like I don't I don't even want to call it a trend, I don't know if you call it a trend or whatever. There's always something like a new wave that comes, right? And you catch that wave, you can rule it like fucking crazy.
SPEAKER_00:There's a lot of money to be made on the waves, yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, what did you see? Like I'm sure you've seen a lot of stuff, right? With with the casino, the casino wave, the sport or sports betting, whatever it is. Yeah, like what's the most you've seen people make?
SPEAKER_00:Uh so fun, I'll tell you how much somebody's lost first. Oh, yeah, good. I like that. So a previous casino I I've done work with, I'm I can't really say the name, but we had an old lady, she had like a vacation home in California, but she was from the UK, and she was literally spending like a million to 1.5 million a month on the online casino, like pretty much just losing it. And like it got to the point where it's like, hey, like we had to call her, make sure, like, you know, this isn't stolen funds or whatever it was. And apparently she just like had inherited it from like her deceased husband. So she just, you know, took the you know, the majority stake of like the whatever pool money he had. And yeah, he was just gambling for fun and she would just do crazy amounts, like crazy bets, max out their casino pretty much. Um, to the point where, like, you know, the owners are like, hey, let's get her private jets to come to California or Vegas for fun, just because they wanted to treat her like royalty to keep on spending. So it's pretty crazy how much people actually spend online too. A lot of people think, like, hey, only the heavy rollers play in person, but that's not really the case sometimes.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I forgot the guy's name. There was an Asian guy uh on our way here yesterday. The fucking guy lost like$500 million gambling here in Vegas. And he would, he, but he had days he won like$5 million playing slots.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And uh the guy would like, he he was just crazy. Like he would, whether he won or lost, he would tip aggressively. One time he tipped somebody, like uh one of the the servers people, 50,000 bucks, you know. So it wasn't just a gambling loss, it was like he was exuberant with this shit, man.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, it's crazy. The baccarat tables at the Palms Casino, they get down like that. Like it's all like pretty much all Asian-speaking people, um, whether it be like, you know, Filipinos or Chinese people, man, or whatever. But they're they're putting like 10k on the hand on a bet. And I'm like, I can never see myself doing that no matter how rich I am. Like, that's insane to me. Yeah, you're losing like you know, a million with the span of like 30 minutes sometimes, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, it's freaking crazy. But my I'm glad you you you answered it that way. My I was more talking about like what has like an affiliate made or a media, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It just depends on your deal ultimately. So, like um, one of the networks that I've I've worked with is called bankrules.com. So if anybody wants again to affiliate, um kind of like the affiliate side of things there, bankrules.com is a great starting place. They work with a lot of social casinos, a lot of um just foreign casinos, and essentially all the deals are there, and there's three types of deals. So there's like the normal CPA deal. So, you know, you get paid$250 per depository or something like that. You get the Rev shares, which you don't get no paid up front, but you get paid like 40% of revenue, which is all losses from X amount of time typically. So they'll typically give you like losses for like a year or two. Some will go further, it just depends on the casino. And then they have the hybrid deals, which is personally my favorite, where you get a little bit CPA, which will at least cover your ad cost so you're not floating, and then you'll have that percentage. It'll be a slightly smaller percentage because you are getting paid CPA, but you know, you kind of benefit on both sides, so it's better for longevity. Um, the most I've seen somebody make like just as an affiliate, is probably about like two million in profit a month. Um and that was like a small team, then they were based in Brazil, and they were just doing all types of offers, like nationwide, like I'm sorry, not nation worldwide. Um, so they were doing a lot of European casinos, like they I think they tackled Germany, Italy, and Spain the most, and then yeah, they just ran it up. So there's definitely a lot of money in it. Me personally, I think my biggest month um in terms of revenue, just because I was kind of more of on the internal media buying side, was about like 1.5 million in spend. And then that um was I can't really tell you the revenue because with casino, the thing too to kind of keep a note of is like people don't like you're kind of taking a front-end loss as an operator at a casino, right? Because it costs us like let's just say$150 target CPA to acquire a customer, but they're only depositing$10 initially. So they still want$40 worth of negative spread that the casino has to do. But at that point, it's up to the casino and their team to you know basically get people to want to spend over$140. And then from that point forward, it's pretty much all green. Like that customer now turns into profit. Um, so that's why it's kind of difficult in the first year of operating a casino because you're losing money um on all those spreads. But eventually, as those players keep on coming back and playing for more, you're gonna become positive and then you're swimming in money at that point. So$1.5 million to spend is what I've spent, and that was primarily Facebook ads. Um, in terms of revenue generated, I can't really say just because again, it's like AOVs and LTVs are kind of always skewing there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but that's that's that's that's a lofty number, you know, at the end of the day. And and I'm glad you talked about the international markets. I I really firmly believe, and listen, I I I've been trying to do this for a long time. You gotta look internationally. It's not just America's the biggest market. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't fucking make money in America, but there's so many fucking fast growing. You mentioned Brazil. I mean, I I was at a, you know, and the affiliate world shows are good for this. You yeah, you go to those shows and you hear these crazy numbers and what people are doing. Uh-th there's some guy in Brazil putting on fucking ridiculous numbers, man. I think he's doing like e-com and doing all these like nutritional products. I heard like the the the the glue tides are doing good, uh GOPs are damn great, like in Mexico. But like you gotta, if you're good at generating leads online, if you can somehow segue there or your parlay that into other markets, man. And that's a good thing you see with the casinos and you see some of this sport spending products, you can do some serious.
SPEAKER_00:Brazil's actually funny enough, Brazil's like a really hot market for casino. They don't deposit a lot, but like the cost to acquire customers like at five bucks, ten bucks. It's super cheap to acquire a customer who's willing to pay. And obviously, again, there's that negative spread period, but it they they love to gamble. So, like you're gonna make that back quick when you when you market into Brazil for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know, I remember in our call center in call in Colombia. We were a fan to do to get job job job applicable applicants for the call center. Fuck, man. I think they were coming for less than a dollar. I think we're getting like 20 cents, 30 cents, 50. I'm like, is this fucking for real? Yeah, no, it was crazy. Yeah, every other country.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's pretty insane.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it is insane, man. But yeah, so I know that what I like about you, you've had experience. You've you've been on all sides. You've been on, you know, you've done casino, you've done like the gambling stuff, right? And uh you've done e-com, right? You've done tradition. We're talking here before we we filmed you were showing us some new ads you've done uh on the insurance side, right? Which I love by the way. We talk about that later. If you go up with what what which which is which lane do you prefer? I mean, there's different lanes, right? Which which is like your favorite lane of all those?
SPEAKER_00:So I I I come from an e-com background. I started in e-com in about like 2017, like the tail end of that. Um, so I I kind of fell in love with it. I got screwed in like around 2020 with a huge lawsuit. It's kind of still a thing right now. Um, but essentially I was running e-com stores, drop shipping was kind of like my first love in the online marketing space. Um, but because of circumstances regarding that, which I won't get into, but um, that pivoted me into the affiliate space. So then from there I went to Neutra. Um, and then from there I gone to Lee Gen a little bit, and then I kind of gone to Solar for a little bit. So I've been kind of everywhere, I've made money in every single thing, but and I've kind of figured out what I like now. Now that I'm a little bit older, I'm like eight years in the game now. So I think my number one is I really actually enjoy casino. I think it's really fun. Um, so I'm trying to just kind of you know build that up and kind of make my way to like be closer to an operator's standpoint, um, whether that be starting my own casino or just being closely involved in the marketing of a casino from like A through Z and just kind of doing that. So that's kind of like what I want to gear towards. Um, but I do like insurance as well. So like I operated at FE floor previously, um, you know, we didn't have too much success. Um, but I think it was just kind of timing and you know, just uh didn't really see eye to eye with like all our partners. But um, we're bringing that back hopefully soon within the new year, and hopefully that's something that we could kind of build because I just see that as like a kind of a long-term play. So, like these are two things I think like long-term, I could see myself doing completely different sides of the coin. One of them is insurance, one of them's casino, but yeah, then it's two things I found like very interesting for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, for sure. So, what what was uh what got you into insurance? Is it just because you saw other people doing it, or do you just question?
SPEAKER_00:So I started in paper call, I think at the tail end of um, so I want to say 2023. So I started because um coy, um, pretty sure everybody here knows coy. Uh, he basically I knew him from the e-com background. So, like he was in a group chat, it was like a 50 of us e-com guys, and he was in that chat, and all of a sudden he's just putting up these crazy screenshots, and I was like, What is this? Like, you know, like nobody's really talking about what he's doing. And he basically started saying, like, hey, this is paper call, you guys should like look into it, kind of get into it. So, you know, he kind of was my gateway to getting into paper call. So that first year, I basically started paper call, I didn't know anything about it. Um, and essentially I was running, I believe, ACA at the time, and I had like two networks. Uh, I had my ring bus set up, I didn't even think it was set up correctly, but I pretty much ran and I was seeing profit right away. It was um like December of 2023, and the only thing I didn't think about because coming from an e-comm mindset is like I see good numbers and I just scale crazy, right? No, but I didn't really think about the manpower associated with a call center. I just thought, like, hey, I could send them like this is going well and we up the budget. So one day I lost 20 grand just because nobody took my calls because all the lines were busy, and I didn't really know, hey, you need to have buyers that have big floors. You know, I didn't know that stuff, so that was a big life lesson for me. And so, you know, fast forward a couple months. Um, I had, I think I moved to Vegas or like probably around like the next year, like about like two months later. Um, and I started just kind of going to like all the little side events, right? And so I knew a view from your podcast because like you're when you pop a paper call at the time, you were really huge on that, like just paper call keyword on Google. So I started watching your podcast. I started getting familiar with like certain faces, and um, I got really cool with Michael Walker, who lives in Vegas also. And he like we went out to dinner and he kind of put me on game into a little bit, opening my world a little bit to the paper call stuff. Went to Leeds con uh Leeds Con of that year 2023, 2020, 2023, and um got to know, you know, I think I met Samar there. I think I met you actually no 2024. Bring me at a call center conference. Which was a week after that. Yeah, um, and yeah, I basically wore a shirt that said, Hey, if you're uh selling uh you're buying uh direct of your direct buyer for ACA calls, please talk to me.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you were the only one that was I was shocked, and I think I actually was looking uh again. That was like a good, good, good meetup, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so essentially, like, you know, I I I realized, hey, I need the these buyers, right? Yeah, so I got all these buyers and you know, we started having a little run. Fortunately, ACA kind of went to shit uh shortly after. So even though I had these connections, at least like I didn't really get to make a run with it, but now I at least had connections like yourself, Samar, you know, Michael, and all these other people. So it's been cool in the paper call space for sure. Um, but just now, like, you know, from there, you know, I see Michael operates an agency, you know, with the ACA. I saw Samar is doing his own thing. I see like yourself, you have like, you know, your um home home leads and stuff, uh, where you guys are calling them. So I was like, okay, I'm like every big player that I've I've met so far has that extra layer where they're not just a media buyer, they also are servicing these leads. Correct. So in my head, I was like, okay, well, that's the next logical step. I just didn't know where to go because ACA, again, I was kind of new. I like I saw it as like a burning hill. Everybody was saying that, hey, this is not feasible anymore. Medicare just seemed a little bit difficult. There's a lot of government compliance. So I'm just like, hey, I don't think I could get something up in time for um, you know, this year's open enrollment or whatever the case was. So I kind of I kind of started getting into final expense, which you know, it has its cycles where it's like really popular, it's not. At the time it wasn't super popular, but I had found somebody that wanted to buy the leads. So I started running leads for them and essentially got to the point where I was selling them like$20,000 worth of leads at one point. And no matter, like I would raise the price on them occasionally. So every couple of weeks I'd be like, hey, I want two dollars more per lead, and they wouldn't even blink an eye. So I'm like, okay, these guys are making money. And so, you know, I started doing research and I saw that final expense was a little bit easier of a barrier to entry to get started with, and that's kind of just how I got into the insurance space from there. So, you know, I got I did everything I needed to do to open my own floor. Um, again, like ultimately didn't really work out, but we're gonna revive it. Um, but yeah, I've learned a lot, and I think it's something that I do want to get into um a little bit more and just kind of be on the operator side because that's where the real money's at for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and and that's at at the first Columbia company, I think August 2024, yeah. That was one of the big themes or two themes. One was that your ACA is dying. Yeah. So what's where's the where is everyone gonna shift to? And everyone was saying final expense. And if lo and behold, that that really happened. You know, three, three months later, six months, nine months later, right? They all jumped into that, right? And the other was owning your own offer. You know, starting your own your own agency, uh, Manny Perez and Leeds Icon. That's what I was with them two weeks ago. We were in Durral, uh, Florida. Yeah, they're a splendor. Man, they're doing great. Yeah, you know, and one thing they did, and I'm glad you mentioned the call centers. Fuck call centers are not easy to run. I've run a ton of them. You need to have the right people. They they have they hired the right manager, they got the right call. I can I can I can tell when I walk into a call center. I didn't hear the show longer, but they're doing a good job. But that was the thing, winning your own offer, right? So you're not just one of the pedals up and down fucking leisure because it's it's like this, right?
SPEAKER_00:Exactly, exactly. That's the other thing is like you get the benefit as a media buyer to where when competition is really tough, like for example, let's um, you know, Medicare right now, it's really hot, open enrollment period. You know, you don't have the luxury to be able to spend more per call. But if you're the offer owner and you're getting a lot of payment from like the policy itself, who cares if you're paying an extra$10 per call of the cost quality and it's gonna stay on the books, you know? So you have that luxury too, where on the media buying side it kind of becomes a little bit easier and you have a little bit more cushion.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I love it. And one thing I want to say too, where I kind of alluded to earlier, uh, I I see you active in a lot of the groups, right? A lot of uh telegram groups. Um, you go to a lot of the shows, the masterminds, and how wills that help you out? Because I mean, I know it's I would say probably immensely, but what's been the biggest benefit from all of that?
SPEAKER_00:I think um just the connections, right? You start meeting people um, you know, after you go to these shows, I try to do all the side events, so I try to find all the side events that interest me.
SPEAKER_01:Side events are huge, by the way. That's that's really where you get a lot of the sauce. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I think you make uh you're you have more money making potential from the side events as opposed to going to the main event. But you know, I I think still, if you're new, definitely go to the main event for at least a year or two. And then from there, if you decide not to, it's cool. Um, but the side events is where the money is at, in my opinion. That's where all the good connections are. That's where like you kind of meet people who are gonna be your lifelong friends that you could learn from. So like that's where I met people like Samar, you know, Michael Walker, yourself. Um And that's just kind of like you know where all the magic happens. I think I think it's where people kind of get more intimate. You start finding that you start seeing the same p uh people over and over, and eventually you get those Columbia Con experiences where it's like you know a very intimate group and we're sharing like everything, you know, we're not we're not afraid to share numbers or what or strategies or whatever the case may be. So I think um, yeah, I think I love to learn and like you know, going to these events or going to these telegrams and just kind of making friends, and that is definitely like a big part of my success, I believe. Um, because you know, now when I need help, for example, um, with something related to like uh AI backend, I I text Ariel, you know, I know Ariel is my guy, I know he could he can hand handle it and help me out with that. You know, if I struggle with something with AI, um Samar is my guy right there, you know. So it's cool to make these connections. I think it's definitely worth your time to be involved in there. I will say it's easy to fall in the trap where like one day, like you'll just be looking at it and not doing any work at all on Telegram. Um, so a little pro tip for me is I have a second Telegram that is all like my business partners pretty much on my laptop only. Now my phone I have like every other Telegram group chat. So like if I want to get uh or just want to be not distracted, I just put my phone away and I know that I'm not gonna be bugged by notifications from random people that are interesting.
SPEAKER_01:So I I love that you said that because yeah, it's it could get it's not like I get lost in these fucking chats.
SPEAKER_00:It's a thousand two hundred new messages and it's been like three hours, and it's like I can't read that. So you miss a lot, which kind of sucks, but it's better to, you know, you still gotta get work done eventually.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, for sure. Ringba is the leading inbound call tracking and analytics platform for marketers, brands, and paper call teams. It gives you real-time reporting, intelligent call routing, and fully customizable call flows backed by global telecom access in more than 60 countries. With enterprise-grade reliability, a powerful API, and no contracts or set of fees, Ringba has become a go-to platform for performance marketers worldwide. To learn more and to sign up, check out the link in the description below. Get golden and let's fucking go. Yeah, and I'm glad you mentioned that about the side events, and I mean that's been my experience because in these masterminds. Because what happens is when you go to these shows, you'll see someone and they're like you're trying to get somewhere, they're trying to get somewhere, and you have like a 30-second, one-minute conversation, and then you you you forget, man, 90% of what happens. But when you're at the masterminds and these side of this, you're you're you're there. You're like, you're like in a in a in a house or you're like in a room for like an hour. So you can get deeper. You can go, oh, what what's going on? Let's get a little deeper. And people will tell you, like, I've been shocked at how there's some people that hold a high regard in the industry that I know their numbers. They put up stupid fucking numbers, but then uh they would tell me, I'm going for a rough time. I I lost this much, I lost that much. I'm like, what happened, right? Yeah, and they'll tell you what happened, and that way you learn from the experience, right? And then when you're having a rough time, you go to them and you and you know you can be vulnerable because they're vulnerable to you, and you know they're not gonna like try to make you feel like shit or like flashing out. So that's been the other thing that they kind of like the mentorship that you get from that kind of stuff, too. Yeah, definitely. And people that are experts in their lanes, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, again, you can always learn from everybody, right? Yeah, so that's kind of like my biggest takeaway. And the other thing too is like um it's kind of just going back on that, is like I I also try to be nice to everybody I meet, regardless of their like newbies or old, like you know, veterans in the space, just because you never know who you're gonna you're gonna meet, right? So I've had newbies who like hit me up and like two years from that later, those are guys who are like now I'm asking for help on a new platform. Yeah, you know, like Snapchat, like you know, is something that I struggled with. And one of my previous students, but before he was my student, he was like just a newbie who was bugging me, you know, helped them out, became my student, and then now it's like I asked him for advice on TikTok and Snapchat. That's something where I'm not proficient in. Yeah, so I think it's just you know beneficial to go to these, but also, you know, as you're networking with people, if you meet somebody who's not necessarily like on your level, you know, don't just brush them off, you know, give them the time of day to a certain extent for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I love that you said that. It reminds me, you talk about Michael Walker, right? We interviewed him, uh he was one of the first guests. We interviewed him in Columbia, and he said something, he said something that was great. We made a clip out about, you know, be an adventurer and just be don't be an asshole. Just be nice to people, right? Because it's really true. And I've had so many experiences where I met someone five years ago and they were just getting into the industry, and I gave them some advice and like, yo, I took your advice. That's your word of like, you know, it feels nice to hear it. Now they're fucking crushing it, right? So you know that hey, you you had you had a part to play in that, right? And sometimes maybe they're not, but you do the right thing and then it'll sometimes it doesn't come back, but a lot of times it will it does when you at least fucking expect it. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You know, funny enough, sorry, sorry to get off topic, but it's kind of like um, you know the Ferrari story, like how Ferrari created Lamborghini?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I heard it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, very, very loose, probably gonna be butchered, but essentially Ferrari, I mean Lamborghini was a tractor company, and essentially he bought a Lamborghini Ferrari to congratulate himself on his company kind of doing well. He had issues with it. Essentially, he went to Enzo Ferrari and he basically was like, Hey, this thing is not working. And he uh Ferrari insulted Lamborghini, basically saying, Hey, like, well, it's not meant for tractor drivers to to drive it. So, like, he basically insulted him, kind of belittled him, and the bull loaded uh, you know, fast forward, now we're at the point where Lamborghini is you know their biggest competitor because he pissed them off so much. So going back to just be nice to everybody, man. You don't want to create your own biggest enemy, and you know, at the end of the day, everybody could be an ally, so yeah, you never know, is what it comes down to.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so cool, man. So let's talk about AI now. Okay, I know you're uh you're in the uh when like a Columbia Con too. We we had a a chat telegram group there and they kind of morphed them to an AI group, man, and you were very active in there. You were showing me some cool ads, man. And it took you a while to crack some of these, right? Yeah, but uh, you'd have to take a tell exactly what you're doing, but man, it is just blowing me away how they're compelling, man. You can you got my I would stop scrolling what I'm doing, yeah. You know, so like you're using Sora for that, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I'm using Sora, so I've I've learned a little bit about all the platforms. Um, so uh Sora allows for voice and like actual like audio, so that's why I kind of use it. Um, VO3, Google VO3 is also really good. Um, I like Sora a little bit better because I feel like um it it you don't need to be as specific. So with Google VO3, I was using that for some FE ads in the past, and like I felt like I had to be ultra specific. Like the guy is wearing a blue polka dot shirt, the woman is wearing hoop earrings to get what I wanted or to get something relevant to like what the look I wanted, versus like um with Sora, I feel like I could just give it quicker bullet points and it just spits out what I want exactly. So um, you know, it's only getting better and better too. Google VO3 only lasts for eight seconds. Last time I used it, haven't touched it in a couple months. Um, where Sora goes up to I think 25 seconds, so you could get a full length ad now with Sora, so it's only gonna get better. As soon as they do a minute, it's game over. No, like UGC market's gonna die. Like you might as well just use that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so it's crazy how it's evolved, man. Right. Ugh. I don't know if that was a year ago. Like it's things are going happening so fast right now. Your industry in life is just freaking crazy the the evolution of that, right? For a while until UGC is oh, this is gonna last a long time. Also, AI comes out there and what spits out so many, man. Samar is a bit example of it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's always changing too. Like every week there's a new update, and that's why it's good to be a part of those AI group chats because like people like Samar, for example, he's on it. He just said, Hey, Google Nano Banana 2 is making an update tonight. Okay, cool. I'll go check that out tomorrow morning, you know. Like, so it's cool to be up informed and you know, being in the right circles to like, you know, learn from these people and learn when updates come out so you could kind of capitalize on it a little earlier.
SPEAKER_01:How do you stay up to date with it?
SPEAKER_00:Is it just better being in those groups or being connected or like what's yeah, which is the groups, yeah, pretty much in the groups, but also kind of exploring tools. So, like, um, I'll just kind of like what I use. So uh for Sora, I don't go through Sora itself, I go through Higgs Field, which is like another company that owns their own like models for AI video creation and image creation. Uh H-I-G-G-S field. I don't know. Yeah, I think that's how you spell it. And um essentially, like they have every tool, every AI tool from every company all in one hub. Wow, so it's a little easier for me to stay up to date, it's a little bit easier for me to um kind of just have everything in one spot, and like they basically will tell you, hey, nano banana too now available. So now I'll just read the documentation from there. I'll do a quick Google search and just kind of see what I can learn. So I think that helped a little bit in terms of just learning more on the AI stuff. But pretty much everything else I'm learning from my peers, right? Group chats, um, you know, whether it be the ones that are a little bit more closed off or the ones that are really big, like um Vivix uh, for example, super affiliate chat that's really big on Telegram. So those are like, you know, those are all people that you can learn from and just stay up to date with.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he did a great job. He was at the the last Columbia Con. And I don't think he's been in the industry too long, but he's man, he's really he came. Yeah, he's doing very well, a very humble guy. And yeah, I remember talking to him back then. Like it's I don't know where he he got the inspiration to start a group, right? But he did it, and man, it's doing like a lot of dude is hear good things about his group.
SPEAKER_00:No, yeah, his group's really cool, and they have like once uh once a week calls, you know. I joined this past week. I usually on Sundays usually it was on Thursday, I think, or like Tuesday. I don't know, it was like some random weekday, but uh you know, I happen to have like free time. I just hopped in and like uh Ron was on there and I learned a lot from Ron. So pretty cool, you know. Sometimes you never know who's gonna be in there, and it's just kind of cool to hop in every now and then.
SPEAKER_01:That's awesome. So speaking of groups, we have a Telegram group. I we just created it today. We gotta we gotta freaking put a link to that, man. We want you on that group, man. Yeah, sure. Yeah, it'll be good, it'll be good. It'll be more, you know, it'll be more about high-level networking, yeah, managing these shows. But I got a lot of good takeaways from this show. I'll put like that behind the scenes kind of stuff on there. A little bit, we're going a little bit further than we do an LFG show on there. But yeah, I can't emphasize that enough. Even like someone like a newbie that gets in the industry. I mean, if they're if they got the balls to start their own group, because you got a lot of uh attention on you, a lot of eyes on you, right? And it puts like a little bit of pressure. And I was kind of hesitant and started a telegram group, like, fuck, you know, I already got a million things going on, but I think it's gonna cause me to elevate my game. We got newsbreak to sponsor the LG show. Yeah, congrats on that. And I for you thank you. But I was like, damn, do I want another sponsor? Because at the end of the day, it's like, you know, you go in the business to work for yourself. You don't really want to report to anybody, but I feel like now I but it's good. I feel I like having the pressure because I want to deliver for them. They're growing like crazy. I'm hanging out with them, they're teaching, they're they're showing me all the stuff that's going on on the AI side with these apps and whatever. So they're showing me a whole new world. So, you know, it's a matter of like putting pressure that there's a good pressure, is what it comes down to, right? Yeah, definitely. So that that's what we're gonna do.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, definitely. I think um, yeah, definitely just kind of putting yourself in those situations and networking, and I think with that group, you're gonna have a lot of success there. And then it's cool to be like in the like you know, in the in the good graces of these companies too, just because they power they power our market, you know. So then a day, if you could get the latest update a little earlier, you kind of get the better documentation, you know, that gives you a little bit of edge too.
SPEAKER_01:So and I was gonna say also it's proximity is what comes out. Right, daily proximity is power, and I can't emphasize that enough. Right. I mean, there's an I took a picture, I'll show you the picture. Chance took a picture uh Adam Young's mansion um or next to his penthouse in Miami. This fucking picture is amazing. Like he's uh it's just it's just crazy. And I looked at it and I'm like, wow, man, you know, like me and Adam become really close, right? And they be as a result of the podcast spending more time with him. But and it's just great having someone like that as a friend, and that he's giving me great advice. And I think that, you know, that's a point of the the the group. We want to have people in proximity, good people in proximity with each other. And you you've done that too. You've created, you know, I know you've had little uh get togethers here at Las Vegas, yeah, dinners, you've done that kind of stuff, and it goes a long way. Yeah, that's like look at that fucking picture.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, I've seen it. I've seen them post about it, and I'm like, I just like everybody every time somebody gets a cooler different angle, I'm like, damn, like that's some Batman shit right now. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I didn't even know. We didn't even know he's like, David, this is an incredible photo. I didn't know what you're talking about. I was on plane, they didn't download, and I landed, like, holy shit, that is a nice picture. Yeah, that's cool. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's that's the goal, some Batman shit like that. And it is, but it comes out of proximity, and I think that's one good thing that you've done is that you you put yourself in these positions, you talk to the right people, like you reach out to Michael Walker. I mean, he might be like, Michael Walker's put up massive fucking numbers, really humble guys, man. But OG, but you you reach out to him, he respected that, and then boom, now you guys are friends, you know, you can pick up the phone and reach him, right? So more charges fucking, you know, to console with he charges people, man, good amount of money. But you can as as a because he knows you're his boy, like he'll he'll he'll do some preferential stuff. That that's what the proximity comes down to, man.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, definitely. Proximity, like you said, and you know, I'm always making yourself available for a returning favor, right? It's not all just about take, take, take. You gotta give back too, you know. So, you know, I told my friends who are good in business, like if you ever need anything that I can help you with, please let me know. If I don't have somebody, I'm sure I could go one layer down and find somebody to get you right, you know, whatever you need. So yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And speaking of that, we're gonna we have to talk and we're gonna have dinner after this. We're gonna do something at affiliate summit. Yeah, we're gonna do ASW, we're gonna do an event. And one reason why I wanted you on here is because I, you know, I I feel like in in our space, there's so many, like, I don't know, like like nooks and crannies, right? And uh, if you're if you're good at uh generating leads or driving traffic, whatever, there's so many different nooks and craves you can go to. And maybe you could find your lane. Maybe you had some success here, but it died. There's always somewhere else, and maybe you can just make it yours, right? So that's why I don't think we've had anybody. I mean, we had Blake Tovis talk about it briefly, and he didn't go that as in depth as you went into, but you know, the the these verticals that are out there, people don't know, but they don't know about these international markets. You talked about Brazil, right? We talk about casinos, and I I the idea is to open people's eyes because you don't know what you don't know. So when I hear from someone like you, so the point of like I'm excited to do this event with you because I think it's a it's a way to kind of merge some of those ecosystems.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. So, really quick, um, so the little event that we're gonna be throwing is just gonna be at affiliate uh summit west. It's gonna be in Vegas, I believe it's like January 16th, 15th is the day. Yeah, one of those days. Well, we're gonna throw it on one random, like probably like a Monday or something. Yeah. Um, but essentially, I I usually throw this party every year with one of my casino guys. They would like fund the room and then they basically told me open invite. I think last year we had like 180 people at one point. Oh, you had that many people. Why? Yeah, so they were afraid to get shut down. So, like one of my guys was like panicking. He's like, bro, don't invite nobody else. And then the other guy's like, hey, just keep them coming. I'm like, all right, you know, so we're gonna probably do the same room, but we're gonna kind of elevate it a little bit, you know, we're gonna get some sponsors um and just kind of make it a little bit more of an official event where you know people could kind of come and you know network other people, like you said, like you know, affiliate summit has a lot of pockets of affiliate marketing, right? You have the paper call guys, the lead gen guys, you have the e-com guys, you have the neutral guys, and it's like I like to throw that space where you know, because because I've been around, I I kind of have friends everywhere where people could collab, right? So it's like, hey, now this you know, TikTok shop guy just connected with this lead gen guy, and there's something that they learn from each other, whatnot, you know?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and it's great, and they always remember that, man, that's how it happened. I I'm going back to Columbia Cut, one thing, first uh networking event international. I didn't know how that was gonna, I was worried someone was gonna fucking die. I mean, we're at Columbia, you know, like you know, people do crazy shit there. So the bottom line though, once it started going, you helped with that. Once you started asking questions, what happened was the VSL guys were in their in their corner, like with three or four VSL guys. The e-com guys are here, right? The White Hat Legion guys are here, right? The AI guys here, the call center guys, like people found their own like little uh like like like uh cohorts, right? Which which I thought was cool. And that's the beauty when you open. I mean, you had 180 people there, so I'm sure you had a ton of those, right? So it's like a natural thing that happens organically, which is beautiful.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, exactly. And and I think you can always learn from everybody, right? So it's like, hey, like uh just in my own experience, there's stuff from casino that I could now apply to e-com that would you know crush it for me, or vice versa, or whatever the case, or some paper call thing that I plug in here, you know, like so there's no right or wrong way to build it. It's like Legos, you know, you just build it however you want, and at the end of the day, like you might have something that completely crushes that not a lot of people know because you've you're tapped into these other markets as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's a different perspective. And then at the end of the day, not just media buying or everything, it's in you want an edge, right? Yeah, so by meeting someone that's doing it a different way, they might give you this idea that gives you the edge. And that's that's where it comes down to. And then even like yesterday, I'm in a chandelier bar at midnight. I was like, damn, I was up a lot, I was traveling a lot. I was like, should I go? So I met with a client. This guy gave me a fucking, he gave me something, and he's like, Dave, I'm gonna tell you this one. I like you, blah, blah. He keeps he gave me a fucking edge, man. And I was like, man, wow, that's what and sometimes he shows, yeah, you want to transact, you want to, you want to create opportunities to to to like, you know, maybe close a deal or whatever, but sometimes it's just information. You get a fucking nugget of information that could change everything, man. You know?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, definitely, definitely.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, it's all plugging, plug and play, man. That's what it comes out to. So I'm pumped up to be doing that with you. We gotta, yeah, we're for I think we lost touch, but we're now we're here today, we want to dinner where it figures out we're gonna make that shit happen. I don't know. This might be one of the last questions I asked you. How the how the fuck do you stay stay ahead and and keep how do you get an edge in this environment where it's so so hard to keep up, man?
SPEAKER_00:I think um one, like we've touched on already, is like join the telegram groups, join the discords that you know, whether they be from like just your peers, like on a peer level, or maybe you're paying for somebody's paid discord, um, where it's somebody that you respect, like, you know, whether it be like a mentor or like some biggie comm guy or whatever, but just join these pockets, right? Like, I think it's a good way to just kind of get things going. Another thing is just like start going to these events if you're not already going. So, for example, like um affiliate summit has a little bit of everything. So, like, you know, you could kind of go and go to the side events. The side events is where the magic happens, I think. So it's like there's usually always gonna be like some type of like um spreadsheet of all the side events, find the ones that interest you, make the time to go after those really quickly and you know, talk to people and see what what you can learn from them. Um, even if it's a side event that isn't directly corresponding to the market that you're in, I think it's still worth your time to go to if you do have the time. And aside from that, I mean it's just kind of talking to people and making yourself be known in the space, right? Like I came from an e-comm space, so I had a pretty I have a lot of friends in the e-com space, but when I pivoted into Legion, I didn't know anybody. So, you know, Michael Walker opened a lot of doors for me because I think I saw him at LeedsCon after we had dinner, and he's like, Hey, this is this person, this is this person. So I started kind of breaking in and started, you know, he gave me the entry point, but I kind of started talking my way into these circles and in these groups, and again, helping people where they need help on, or like, you know, strategies or whatever the case may be. So that's kind of you know, I think the best way to go about it and just staying up to date from your peers. Um, because everybody's kind of got their own interests. For example, I'm not like the biggest AI forefront guy, but Samar is, and he gives me that information, right? You know, Ariel's really good on the back end. So if there's like a new update on Ringba, maybe he's the guy who gives me that update. So I think it's just kind of being like in a network of people and talking to the people who kind of like are doing what you want to do, um, as well as like you know, keeping yourself updated. So, like Facebook stuff, I can help you out with that, you know, running ads on like Apple's in um or these new platforms. I'm kind of getting more of a hang of it. So, you know, just kind of mixing and matching with people.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you always say, I'm not to go off subject, man, but fucking apple oven, that stock's fucking gone through the roof. And I would say this is one thing I would say, and uh sometimes I feel like an ass with I trade a lot, right? I fucking I I love the markets and I I I make money doing it. I don't make stupid money doing, but I it's always like it's fun, it's fun for me, right? But I get pissed at myself because like fucking Whole Foods, right? I've been fucking shopping at Whole Foods for 20 years. And I remember like 15 years ago, that's just buy stocking this shit. I didn't buy this. I think that that that's App Lovin', another fucking example. That stock, I I I I have uh Dan Zanger, I pay$139 a month for this report, and it's great. I've made good money. He should be charging triple that, quadruple that to be worth it. He fucking alerted about App Lovin' like six months ago. I didn't realize that was at I think the stocks were APP. I didn't realize that was the same App Lovin' that fucking Samora stuff like bro. I could have bought that fucking stock and made I could've, right? So the point is that we're at the forefront. Another good example, uh Jason Applebaum, right? Everyone knows fucking legend. OG, him and I were doing a lot of solar. One day we're like, what the fuck is wrong with? We saw solar going the other way. We saw these clients not paying their fucking bills on time. Why didn't we fucking buy puts on sun power and these fucking I'm like, you're fucking like we have inside information, man, and we do these markets legal inside information. It's not like bull, you know, shit, you get arrested for Martha Stewart shit. Yeah. So the point is, fuck it, that's another thing we should talk about in these fucking things. You were at Columbia County, too, Ankra talked about investing, right?
SPEAKER_00:You did. And I like this approach about it. Yeah, that was fantastic. You shouldn't have charged about it. Not to give out too much, but I like his his whole approach is thinking one layer below. And I think that's exactly what we gotta do, right? Like what we're missing out on. Like AI is doing really well. Okay, well, what's the layer below AI? Okay, the the components of AI, water cooling, electricity. Yeah, do you buy those stunts? You know, and it like as AI gets more popular, you know, those kind of follow suit.
SPEAKER_01:So so that the point is that it's not just about go going deeper, it's not just about making money off selling a lead or acquiring a customer. It's like how do you fucking go deeper and make that money? A good book is called The Psychology of Money, and they talk about exponential growth. That's how the the road, the rich, ultra-rich, they let their money work for them, right? So let's say you had your best month ever, right? Take a percentage that put in the fucking stocks. Put in the shit that you're you're you're a consumer of. Yeah, you know, like right white from Lulu Lemon. Well, why the fuck you weren't we buying Lululemon stock 10 years ago? Like, so I'm I'm looking at this at my age, I'm like, I feel like an idiot sometimes. But you know what? Still good. I still got a long life to live, right? But the point is, these newer, there's I don't know if Sora goes public, but if you're fucking using these things, buy stock in those motherfuckers. Put a percentage and grow, grow, grow. And we we know Anchor, the guy's a humble guy, but the guy's fucking doing really well. And then, bro, ColumbiaCon 3, he'll be speaking, I guarantee you that. Level, but the point is pay attention to that shit. That's how you go deeper. You're talking about owning your offer because you want to go deeper, you want to have more control. When the profits that we make, Dennis Gontro talked about it too. You know, don't be fucking, you don't have to go crazy and spend all this fucking money. Be frugal, reinvest your money. He's a good example of that too. So the point is that we have access to so much fucking information, man, like way above the normal person. Yeah. You know, and I think sometimes we don't give ourselves credit for that.
SPEAKER_00:You know, that's funny because um, like for funny enough, that you bring that up, and this is again off topic, but just we're just shooting shits here. But um, you know about Pudgy Penguins, you know that with that. Yeah, yeah. Luca Nets owns it, right? Yeah. So like I've known Luca Nets for a long time. We follow each other on IG, and like, you know, I've had conversations. I can't say I'm close to him, but it's so funny that like I know that he bought that, and I have like my cousins in group chat sending Pudgy Penguin memes, and I'm just like, damn, like I really know like the behind the lake that, you know, for them it's just a meme. But it's again, like, you know, buy the crypto coin of that, and you know, you're just yeah, you know, it goes up and it has spoken. I've made money off of that igloo think igloo coin, something like that. Yeah, that's kind of like crazy to think about when you put it. Yeah, we're at the forefront, man.
SPEAKER_01:So it's like I I've been thinking about it recently too. Like, I have no old shit, man. It's like that solar example with J with Jason and I was talking about. Like, we we had that fucking. I actually did that. There was a company called Sonova, I used to do business. I'm like, these motherfuckers go out of business. I and I actually bought the puts. I didn't get it as heavy as I should have gotten. We have an edge, man. And we talked a lot. We use that word edge probably like 15 fucking times, but we have such an edge in what we do as as in our I don't know what we call ourselves, internet marketers, whatever the fuck you want to call them as determinants. There's such an edge, it goes beyond just making money on leads, right? It's it's a huge edge in terms of like knowing how to run a business. I interview this uh uh this young woman, uh say uh Sanjay right now, and um I probably fucked up her name, but she she she went to all those other companies and she learned about blueprint. Now she worked for herself, right? And she's helping they don't know how to market as a black box. So that's it. We have this fucking edge and we gotta utilize it, man. That's what it comes down to.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, good stuff. Any last words, man? Um be nice, be nice to everybody that you meet at these, go to conferences, join the group chats, don't be an asshole, pretty much. That's kind of it, and you know, do what you love, so yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and don't gamble all your money away with the casinos, man.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, yeah. But I set a hard cap there. You know, it's that's funny because like I like when I go out with my cousins to gamble here in Vegas, they're like, hey, shouldn't you not be gambling because you work for a casino? Like, yeah, but you know, it's still fun. And they set a limit. Yeah, you are right. You know how this is like works. I'm like, yeah, I know, but it is what it is. We're just set a limit.
SPEAKER_01:Never get high on your own supplier. That's okay. That's what I say. But I also like we talked about the prediction markets. I think that's something guys watch out for. Right now, a lot of those guys are using influencers, microinfluencers, influencers.
SPEAKER_00:The main marketing tool.
SPEAKER_01:And but I think that you're right, eventually there's gonna be some company that works with affiliates like others have, and those are the ones that are gonna blow up. So I think that's something to keep an eye on for sure, you know. And that's what we pride ourselves on. I mean, I made a career fighting trends and riding those motherfucking waves, you know. And uh, you know, it's exciting, man. It really is. Definitely, definitely. Well, good shit, Vic. Great to have you on the show. You see as an affiliate Summit West, man, let's literally talk more about it. How can people find out more about you?
SPEAKER_00:Uh so I go by at ecom underscore Vic on IG. Um, that's kind of like where I hang out mostly. Um, and I'm in all the group chats. Um, so if you're in one of these big affiliate group chats, chances are I'm in there. I mean, Mike, if you see me in a you know, a little video call, feel free to say hi. Love talking to everybody and learning from everybody. So yeah, that's kind of it. Good shit. Great to have you, Shell I'm at. So I appreciate you, bro. Let's fucking go, guys.
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