No Fuss Gardening | A Chat with Kyrra-Leigh

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Welcome And Why Gardens Matter

SPEAKER_00 0:25

In this episode, we cover everything from propagation, greenhouse facts, and the therapeutic value of escaping the chaos and getting outside a micro garden. Hi, Kira. How are you going?

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Hi, I'm doing really well, thank you. How are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Good. Thank you. And thank you so much for joining us today on the podcast. We're very excited to have a chat with you. So I guess let's just start with I guess what got you into gardening.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

So I have kind of always been passionate about it. My mum and I used to bond over gardening on our little hobby farm that I grew up on in a very, very tiny small town. My great-grandmother used to grow carnations, the flowers, and she used to show us how to make cuttings and all of that kind of thing. And she'd pass them down to my mum, and then I helped grow them as well. And yeah, we always had a big veggie patch and um loved growing our own food. And yeah, I guess it kind of stemmed from my mum, I suppose. She always had a green thumb, and yeah, it was just something that we both really enjoyed to do together, and something we both still love to do together as well. Um, but yeah, the um carnations actually all got eaten by the sheep, but so my great-grandmother's carnations are gone now, which is very sad, but I think that it would be nice to have something like that to pass down to when I eventually have kids and things. So yeah, I've always loved gardening. Um, I geek out on it quite a bit and will talk to anyone who'll listen to me talk about gardening. So yeah, I've always kind of loved it since I was really, really small. Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

So basically the perfect podcast, uh guess then.

SPEAKER_01 2:25

I don't know yet, we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

So with the carnations as well, um, was she growing them like at a large scale, or was it just sort of like as a hobby or a farm? Like give us a kind of idea.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Yeah, so she lived, so my family's originally not from the country. We were up in the southeastern suburbs of Melbourne. Um, I was born in Morty Alleg and then um came straight down here to South West Victoria. And so my great-grandmother had a tiny little backyard and she would just grow everything in pots. Um, she was very frugal. Um, and it's how I learnt how to take cuttings because she would go to the safe way back in the day, and all the um carnation bunches would all have the cuttings on the bottom. So she would just pull them off the bottom and take them home and propagate them. So she had all of these amazing cut flower varieties. Um, so yeah, when we were ever around there, she'd have a little vase full of carnations, and it was beautiful. So it was only ever just for the love of it. Um, she never got anything to um commercialise it or sell them or anything, but yeah, it was just for the love of having them. So I'm I suppose maybe that's where I would get my love of flowers from, and um, but I can do it on a much bigger scale, thankfully.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Yes. So you said that you've moved from uh around the Mordielic area to um whereabouts are you now?

SPEAKER_01 3:55

Uh so I'm about 30 minutes from the Grampians, um, in a little town called Hamilton.

Carnations, Cuttings And Family Roots

SPEAKER_01 4:00

Um, and I live on an acre with my um the home that I bought. So I grew up on 11 and a half acres, about 20 minutes from here, um, where my mum still lives on a bit of acreage, which is amazing. So we got to have a really big veggie patch. We didn't really have many restrictions. Um, so I couldn't really see myself living in a little house with a but little backyard. So when I was able to purchase this property at the time with an acar, just my eyes are just like, oh my gosh, I can see a huge garden here. Um, but yeah, so it's it's great, but very rural where I live. So um the things aren't exactly accessible all the time, so you have to be um um, I guess work with what you got.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Yeah, definitely. And so that's so you moved from Mordialic, so then to the hobby farm, which is the 11 acres that your mum's on. What was that like growing up there?

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Uh it was amazing. Um, I didn't know any different because I was quite literally just born in Mordialic and then brought straight to the farm. So I, yeah, I've never known anything different, but um yeah, we had all our friends had horses and all of our friends that I grew up with in my tiny little country town. I went to a school and I think the biggest it was was 60 kids from prep to grade six. Um I think there were seven of us in our year, so it was very, very small, but everyone was friends, everyone and all my friends had large-scale farms. So I grew up on motorbikes and then paddock, we had a paddock bomb at my house too, and you know, the whole shebang. So yeah, it was very, very wonderful upbringing. Um, very, very lucky. So, and I saw the contrast of my family living in Melbourne in the suburbs, and then you know, going and visiting them and seeing that, and then coming home to the farm, and they would come to the farm, and it would just be they would think they're on um cloud nine. I don't think it was the best thing ever, you know.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

So, yeah, very, very lucky. Yeah, that's amazing. So you mentioned the sheep ate all the carnations. So did you have a lot of sheep on the farm?

SPEAKER_01 6:19

Um, well, we're we're very when I say farm, people will listen to this and go, oh, that's a bit of a stretch, but it's very much like a hobby farm, I guess. Um, considering all my friends have hundreds of acres and we've got eleven and a half. So, but we had, yeah, we had a mob of sheep growing up and we've got a couple cows left um and a couple of um hobby lambs. But yeah, we had a sheep when I was uh a lamb when I was growing up and his name was Ted, and he would always stay away from the flock and jump the fence and come into the garden because you know that was just the best thing for him to do. And yeah, he he invited all of his mates to come and eat all of the carnations and everything in the garden. So unfortunately, that's quite actually quite a common thing. You'll hear it from if you talk to anyone else from around the um rural districts, I guess. Yeah, it's it's not uncommon for the sheep to get into the or the cows or the goats or whatever it is. It's just one of those things, unfortunately. All the neighbours' sheep, like it's just, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

It's just how it rolls.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

That sounds amazing. And I'm glad um that you found your acreage, um, well, your acre, um close by in that same sort of area. So um give us an idea of what um your acre kind of looks like.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Yeah, so I'm on a kind of long block, um, which is great because it means that I can have the we I have the house at the front and then it's basically just paddock out the back. Three-quarters of it is just paddock. Um and we're on I'm on town main, so I have town water, I don't have to worry about that. That's been uh super, super helpful. Um, so yeah, so I just kind of have my flower cut flower veggie patch. I had it all the way at the back last year, but this year I've brought it a bit closer forward because I was sick of running like 500 metres of um hoses. So I've brought it a bit closer so it's a little bit more accessible for me, which is great. But yeah, plenty of room for expansion. Um so yeah, keep myself very busy with that. But yeah, I'm not too far out of town either. So it's very good, very, very good spot. I'm super lucky.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Amazing. And so you're saying that you grow flowers in your veggies. Um what kind of setup have you got? Have you got rows, um, above ground, in ground? Give us a sort of um idea of how you're growing um, I guess, your flowers and your veggies.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

Yeah, so I wanted um something very low maintenance, very easy and cheap. Um I wasn't quite sure how I was gonna make it work this year, just with some personal things happening. Um, but I have basically just got some dirt rows. Um I can't exactly remember how long they are, they are quite long. Um, there's six rows there, and I've just got vegetables in a couple rows, and then the rest are all flowers, um, which is great. But yeah, I would have I think I will have some um maybe higher um what are they called? Uh standing garden, raised garden beds um yeah, next year just for my veggies, just so I can steal that space back for the flowers. Um, but at the moment it's all kind of just a mishmash. I popped the garden in quite late and I was just chucking stuff in wherever I possibly could. And the beauty of this kind of style of garden and the way that I garden, it's very much if you grow, amazing, if you don't, well, then it's not meant to be. So um the way that it's worked well um this year is what is great. Um, there's definitely room for improvement, then I will be doing things differently um next season. Um, but yeah, that's what's good about gardening is that you just learn from what you do and go from there.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

Exactly. Um, we definitely learn as we go, and it's never going to be perfect.

Designing A Low-Fuss Acre Garden

SPEAKER_00 10:30

And I think the fear of missing the season puts you into this fast scramble and it ends up turning out just fine most of the time.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Yeah, I totally agree. I I was uh quite stressed, but at the end of the day I just wanted something in the ground, and um Mother Nature has been very kind to me and it's got me through. Um, and yeah, I've got flowers and everything to show for it. So it just it was quite literally just chucking stuff in and see how it went. And yeah, it worked well.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

I love that. And yeah, it's always nice to have plans what coming, um, but it's not always fitting in with life and you know, it's it is just what it is, but I'm so glad that you have both flowers.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Yes, thank you. Yeah, and my friends and family are glad too because they love coming and pinching them whenever they can.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

And so um I can see in the background as we're chatting now, you've got some beautiful flowers. What are your favourite flowers to grow?

SPEAKER_01 11:31

Uh so I have two. First, I would say is zinnias. One because they are quite literally idiot-proof, um, and they are just prolific and they're really, really fun to be able to do breeding with and seed collecting with. Um, and then we have the cult favourite, which is dahlias, which I've gotten a lot more into this year. Um, they are some people think they can be a little bit finicky, but like I said, with my style of gardening, I just chuck them in, and if they grow, they grow, if they don't. Um, but yeah, I love dahlias. Um, and then my other favourite is amaranth, um, which is just a beautiful weeping. Um, I love the burgundy and the bright green colours, they're just gorgeous.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

Very fun. I I think as well, um you say dahlia. I say dahlia, I'd have no idea. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

It's a funny part. It's a potato potato thing, I think.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

Yeah, I know, isn't it? It's so funny. And I think that those two flowers, I find that they are like summer garden staples and they're just really good. As you said, people want to pinch them, you gift them to people. Um But yeah, I guess. Do you have plans, I guess, with like leftovers? Do you sell them or do you are you just at the point of gifting them? Like, do you have any plans for your flowers?

SPEAKER_01 12:59

Um I've been asked this a few times, and to be honest, I've had this kind of urge when I didn't have anywhere to be able to plant things that I've always wanted to do this. Um, and it's kind of been like this has been my hobby and something that I would love to be able to um uh take into my professional career. Um, however, I don't know what that looks like, but with the flowers at the moment, I'm kind of dabbling in a little bit of bouquets and things for people who request them um via my social media, which is really nice. Um, I actually did some flowers for a wedding um last week on a a girl kind of picked her own, um, picked a bucket to take to do her own wedding flowers, so that was really, really nice. Wow. Um, but yeah, at the moment I'm just kind of swimming in them, so I'm just kind of chucking them in vases all around my house and saying, yeah, take some, or we've got a trivia night, and I just I I'll donate a few bunches for that. Um, but yeah, I I'm finding that around this area everyone's so clever and everyone's growing dailies. So the market is kind of um a little bit saturated around here. Um, so yeah, I'm trying to find my niche, I guess. Um but yeah, I'm not quite sure at the moment. I'm just like I said, just kind of cutting them. And if people want them, they can have them. Um, especially because they aren't to the standard that I had hoped that I would have been able to create, maybe next year. But yeah, for the time being, and just the love of giving them to people is enough for me.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

Yeah, I can relate to that. I grow a lot of flowers myself. I think it's just really nice because we grow them out of out of love and a hobby. It's just nice to have them, and then you do end up with prolific amounts.

unknown 14:59

It's great.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

It is great. Last year when I did it, actually, a few of the uh the guy friends that would come around, they would all be having drinks out the back after work or whatever. And I'd say, okay, come on, come down, pick some flowers for your partners and tell them it's from you. And it would get them out of the bad books, and um, they loved it. They'd be like, Oh, do you mind if we pinch some flowers? I I'm gonna be in the doghouse this weekend, like and it was just kind of it was a funny way of being able to, but it it would just make their partners so happy and it's so simple. Um, and yeah, I think it's just they're just the best, even though they don't last forever, but that's not the point.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

No, it's a gesture that counts. Absolutely. It's very kind now the thing, um, talking about what you want to do professionally before, um, what do you what do you currently do? Um, I guess for work?

SPEAKER_01 15:53

Yeah, so for work I am a high-intensity disability worker. Um, so I predominantly work with people with disabilities such as MMD or spinal cord injuries, um or things like um cognitive disabilities, things like that. Um, so I am people's eyes, ears, voice, um, I and their body for them, their hands. Um, so it's quite an intense occupation. It is amazingly rewarding, and I I love my job, honestly, I do. Um, but yeah, it's just nice to be able to have something for myself, which is what why I love doing the gardening and things like that. But I also find that a lot of my participants love the gardening side of what I love as well, and they get a lot out of it. It's very calming and therapeutic. So, so yeah, so that's I've been doing disability for about six years now. Um, and yeah, it takes a lot of my time.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

But yeah. No, that it does sound like a very rewarding job, and it's nice to hear you're so passionate about gardening and so passionate about your work. Do you find that being in the garden helps, I guess, m bring you back after having such an intense shift?

SPEAKER_01 17:19

Oh, absolutely. I I one of the first things I do when I get back. So I was talking to you earlier about how I worked a night shift last night. So it's a 17-hour shift. Um, it's really it's a long night. Um, but what the first thing I do when I pull in my driveway is I walk straight out into the garden and it's just quiet. I'm not talking to anyone, and I'm just able to touch the flowers, hear the bees, listen to the birds, you know, touch my feet or my hands in the dirt or whatever. And it just kind of grounds me back and centers me. And it's yeah, it's nice to have that moment for myself when my job is to quite literally give all of myself to um somebody else. So yeah, the garden is just a very peaceful, happy place for me.

SPEAKER_00 18:09

Yeah, it sounds very therapeutic, and I think that's why a lot of people do get into gardening and so much joy comes from the garden um is because you just need that space to unwind.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

And it's not always, it's not always sometimes you feel like oh I do on my TikToks and stuff, swear my head off, but

Zinnias, Dahlias And Giving Flowers Away

SPEAKER_01 18:30

you know, it's kind of it's kind of a nice release, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

It's multi-purpose. You can get your frustration out and you have ultimate peace. It's absolutely there's nothing like pulling out some of the stingy nettles when you're frustrated. Oh, and I also know from your TikToks as well, um, and seeing your presence on social media, uh, you're studying as well. I don't know how you fit all this in, but give us a little bit more information about, I guess, your studying as well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

So because I live in such a a rural um regional community, it's very hard to kind of, or now that I'm nearing 30, oh gosh, um, it's very hard to be able to find something locally for to study without, you know, having to go online or travel an hour to go like to Warnerball to study. So when last started last year, the TAFE that live is in um Hamilton started running a cert three and horticulture course, and I was kind of at a crossroads where I felt like I needed to be doing something more that I'm passionate about and give back to myself. So I decided to join that. So I've been studying assert three and horticulture for a year now. I'm in currently in my second and last year of that, and I study one day a week on campus, and it's absolutely fantastic. I yeah, I'm really, really enjoying it, and um yeah, I'm not quite sure what I want to do with it. That's the thing. It's very broad, but I once again it is kind of limited due to my um location of where I am, but yeah, I've got some time to think about it. Um, and I don't have to do anything with it straight away, but it would be cool to be called a horticulturist. So yeah, I feel like that would be a nice little box to tick, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

Yeah, and I love that you're doing this for yourself. Like, what's your favorite thing that you've been learning at horticulture um class?

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Um you're right, it is a very broad um term horticulture. Um, and in the two years we do smash a lot into it. Um I have absolutely my favorite so far has definitely been propagation. Um, so that's when we are taking a plan and we're, you know, taking a cutting, um, that kind of thing. And yeah, that or growing from seeds and things like that. That's just my favorite. Um, something that I'm also starting to get more interested in is um plant ID. We first started that at the start of last year, and I was just could not wrap my head around the some of the botanical names, they're just wild. So um we're doing quite a lot of plant ID, so I'm starting to enjoy it more. And now that I'm hearing, especially after Mifgus, um, the Melbourne International Flower and Garden Show, and hearing all of the um botanical names throughout, I'm actually starting to understand it now. So it's not as daunting and scary as it was. Um, but yeah, really enjoying that. And we have a big greenhouse at TAFE that got put in at the mid. Last year, I think. So yeah, it's been wonderful to be able to utilize that and the equipment that we have in the Hawts space. We also work with some of the local people around who do uh market gardens, so market vegetables and um that kind of thing. There's some very, very clever people around here. And my teacher, her name's Liv, um, she's amazing, and she has her own market garden as well in um at the base of Dunkeld. And so being able to hear from her and um pick her brain, and she has some wonderful contacts around um the districts, and being able to pick their brain as well has been super um helpful, and yeah, the group of us that are there, we all just geek out every every um tafe class, it's really nice.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Oh, that's amazing. And I guess as well, when we were talking about was it your great-grandmother or your grandmother?

SPEAKER_01 23:04

My great-grandmother. My grandmother has not got a green thumb in her at all, skipped a generation, I think, with her.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Yeah, so you were saying that your great gr grandmother used to propagate um the calculations, and I guess that's flowing through for you now and really enjoying the process of propagating and learning more about that. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

I think it's kind of brought me back to when I was a kid and um actually being able to understand it a lot more rather than just chucking it in a piece of honey, a bit of honey like what she used to, and then bunging it into the ground. Um, to be able to understand it on more of a um cellular level, I guess, as well. It's fascinating and I could talk about it forever. So I feel like that is kind of why I'm wanting to go maybe down that route with my horticulture. But yeah, there's so many avenues, there's so much to there's so many different types of horticultural jobs in the industry that you I could go down. So it's exciting, it's very broad.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

Yeah, and I guess as well, when you've got um a big space like you do, you don't even really need to necessarily be thinking about what you're gonna use your certification for because you're literally gonna be using it in your backyard.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Yeah, that's so true. There it's funny you say that because there's a few women in my class. I'm the youngest, basically. Everyone else is old enough to be my mum, um, which is actually quite nice. Um, but they uh some of them have actually come in so that they can increase their knowledge to be able to help themselves in their own garden. So it's not necessarily this course isn't necessarily for people wanting to advance their careers. It is also for the home gardener, somebody who wants to just understand why their their plant might be dying in this area or how to amend their soils or um that kind of thing, or grow from seed and that kind of thing as well. So it's yeah, for anyone and everyone, it's great.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Yeah, I think um the soil, I love soil. Um I geek out about soil and soil testing. That's one of my favorite things to do in my own garden. Um, and it's really important. Um, so obviously, where you are, I'm actually I've been to the Grampians once on school camp in like grade four.

unknown 25:24

Thank God.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

But um, what would you say your climate is and what type of um like soil are you working with in your garden?

SPEAKER_01 25:33

Yeah, so where I am, it is temperate to cool, depending on the season, the the year. Um, I would say we're more temperate at the moment because we have had quite um a long stretch of heat. Um, we're still looking at that even through this week. Um, I'm really lucky my soil here is kind of like a sandy loam, it's kind of perfect, really. Um I have

Disability Work And The Garden Reset

SPEAKER_01 26:00

other friends who are working with very intense clay soil, um, and then other friends who have got real sandy soil, so they can't grow much. Um, well, they say they can't, they could, but you know. Um, but yeah, I'm I'm very lucky here. And because we have so many farms and things around us, um, I am able to be able to get my manure fresh from the farm and scoop it out from a a sheep shed for my sheep pool and all of that kind of thing. It's all very easy to um access here. Um, so yeah, that the soil part I am, yeah, I don't have any issues with whatsoever. So very, very lucky here. There's flies flying around my face. Sorry. I can see that. Little like little mats or something. I don't know, they're coming and get me.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

They must like the flowers behind you. Yeah, they must. Um go over there. That's good, and I feel like you're all over it with your soil, and even if you didn't have, I guess, ideal soil, being in horticulture class definitely helps with the amendment. Having access to fresh manure.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

Oh, it's been fantastic. But in saying that, when I first started in my horticulture class, a a lot of the class was saying, Oh, my soil's this, my pH that. And I, in my whole gardening experience, I've never tested pH of any of the soil ever. Um, I never did any of that. We kind of just went off the feel and the look, the texture of the soil. Um, so coming into the course and learning about your pH and all of that kind of thing, I've gone, oh, I've just been winging it. So but that's exactly right. I'm very much, if it's if it is not broke, don't fix it. And I just kind of do what I know and um adjust from there. I'm very much no fuss when it comes to um my soil. Like if it's this year I just grabbed whatever I could from an old um from a farmer and it had huge chunks of rock and it was very volcanic, and I was like, oh gosh, I don't know if this is gonna work. But I just yeah, it worked. I don't know if it's just luck, but yeah, I've been very lucky.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

I always tend to bring my soil to, you know, your 6.5 and just make sure, especially with the dahlias, that there's um, you know, enough space for them to grow and to multiply. But um at the end of the season the other day I tested it and it was at about an eight. So I'm like, and they're thriving. And my friend um is having the same thing. She's like, My pH test is purple as well. And it's it it is like that, it's sort of like, well, you've got all the other components, and it's like, well, I guess if it's if it's working, it's not working.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

That's right. You could be doing all of the things right, adding all of your amendments, you know, following what Chat GPT says for your soil, you know. But it could you could be all doing all the right things and then it could still bugger up. So I think just doing the best that you can, and then if it grows and it does, and if it doesn't, then gosh, it's not really the end of the world. Like unless you're a massive big farmer and you're depending on this for your livelihood. I don't think that it's the end of the world if you know something doesn't grow. I'm very much, yeah, no fuss.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

That's a great way to be, I think, because we can get very down on ourselves when something doesn't work, but that's you know, one year something might work and then the next year it might not. Nothing's guaranteed, especially with the weather we're having. So absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

And I think we kind of maybe are too hard on ourselves and then we take the enjoyment out of gardening and kind of, you know, we don't look at the bigger picture um about why we're gardening for our why. So yeah, trying to bring ourselves back in and go, okay, well, why am I actually gardening? This is stressing me out. Like, why is my dirt, my soil stressing me out? Like, that's if that's the case, then yeah, you you kind of have to take a step back and go, okay, right, I need a chill. It's my fun guard, and it's and if it's not fun, then what's the point?

SPEAKER_00 30:10

I feel like you've definitely um got the right mindset there. And I think that a lot of people would probably love to hear that message because a lot of us do get hard on ourselves, and you're right. Like, why why make your place of peace stressful?

SPEAKER_01 30:26

Yeah, that's right. It's very counterintuitive if you're going in there and it's stressing you out. Gosh, just you don't just don't go out into society, that'll stress you out enough. You don't need your garden to stress you out as well.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Um, and so obviously seeds as well. We were talking about you really enjoy planting from seed. Um you have a preferred like method, are you just sort of like a direct sow? Are you doing little pots or anything? Give us an idea of like your kind of way of doing things.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

Well, my way of doing things uh is very basic. Um, again, it's kind of my style if people haven't figured that out already. It's very no fuss. Um, and you'll see that on my TikTok page as well. But um but I just use little um well anything will grow seeds in it essentially, as long as it's got some drainage holes. But I was really lucky, I went to the tip shop and found lots of seed trays, um, which are industrial ones, ones that are used in industry. But to start off with, to be honest, I just got some off Timu or whatever it was at the time, and they were just little seed trays in a big, I think it was like 70 cells, and yeah, just put a bit of soil, pop the seed in, make sure that they're moist, keep them in a sunny location. Um, I have started to because I've got so many, it's kind of impossible for me to just keep them in a sunny room in my house. It's ridiculous. So I just end up tracking them outside. Um, this time of the year, not in the greenhouse in my plastic one. I just kind of sit them out in a half sunny spot, and then yeah, if they grow, they grow. If they don't, well, I'll try again. But um over winter time, I yeah, my greenhouse is my best friend. Um, I love that thing. It's seen better days, but it's still great.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

And how big is your greenhouse? Is it just one of the little sort of like pop-up ones from Bunnings, or do you have like a structure?

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Yeah, just a crappy little plastic one from Bunnings. I have a video on my page about the different ones I have because I kind of started off small and then I was like, oh, actually I need a bigger one, and then

Cert III Horticulture And Greenhouse Learning

SPEAKER_01 32:40

oh, that one is too small again. So I've kind of upgraded a couple times. So now mine is I think it's two by two by three or something like that. Um but it's really good, it was cheap. I think it was like 150 bucks from Bunnings. It's the only thing I could get in my country town, so that's what I got, and um, it survived the wind, and I mean it has kind of blown off at the moment, but I'm just not gonna look at it for a little while until I have to.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

You can actually walk into it.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

Yes, I can walk into it, yeah. It's great. Yeah, it's wonderful, and in winter it's good because you can kind of walk in there and be out of the rain and sit a table in there and potter in there as well. Um, so yeah, it's really, really handy. I'd highly recommend it to anyone who needs something a little bit bigger. It also comes with shelves, so um, that's even better. Yeah, really, really good one. I think it's Scots or something like that. Yeah, I can't remember the brand, but yeah, it's fantastic. I think it was the 150 bucks.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

Yeah, I'm going to check that out, I think. Yeah. I had one of those tiny ones that's like, oh god, you know, like just like the um yes, and it kept blowing over. And I remember I sewed about three years ago, I sewed all my seats. It was really windy. Had it on my decking at our old house, and I just heard a big bang, and I walked inside, and every single one of my seats. Oh, isn't that devastating? I've just sworn off of greenhouses since.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Oh, I banned. Did you cry? Because that's happened to me, and I cried, and my partner at the time was like, Are you good? Like, no, I'm not. I don't understand. No, it was yeah, that was heartbreaking. So when I put that big one up, or big one, um, I made sure that we tied it as tight as we possibly could. And I hear it banging around in the wind. It's been through a couple storms, and I just just hate hearing it because I wake up in the morning going, gosh, what am I gonna walk into? Is it gonna be a shitshow in here? And nine times out of ten, it's pretty good. So not too bad. You do have to cable tie the the racks to the actual structure though, otherwise them that'll fall off. But I just cable tie everything onto each other and works alright.

SPEAKER_00 35:02

Just hope for the best.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

Yeah, oh gosh, there's so much hoping in gardening, isn't there? Just close your eyes and go, okay, it's in your hands now. Do your thing.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Well, the cable tie, I feel like that's actually a really good um bit of advice for anybody listening. Cable tie everything down if you've got one of those structures.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Absolutely. Cable tie it, rope it down, get some if you if it's on the grass, get some pickets in and then tie them to some pickets, make sure that it's or even tie some bricks onto it. Gosh, just tie those things down because otherwise they'll be in your neighbours and there'll be tears.

SPEAKER_00 35:42

You asked before, and I did. I cried, I wailed, I think. It was very devastating. Right.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

It's so sad.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

We live and we grow.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

Well, yeah, well, that's very true. At least at least with you with seeds, at least, you know, you can get seeds pretty easy, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

I wait my turn. I bet you too And I I plan. Um but yeah, we um yeah, I don't ask for I I placed quite a big autumn order recently and I still waited my turn in the packing line. So just I bet you did.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

Yeah. You don't cut in quarters here. That would be so hard to see them all there and go, oh, I'll just wait.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

Yeah, I know. But I think as well, like I'm not even ready at home. Like I need I need to be in the garden and I'm just not at the moment.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

But Yeah, before the soil starts to cool down, you kind of have to get it all. It's like panic stations this time of the year, trying to get everything in and started.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

I got the garlic in because I know that like that was one thing that I really wanted to get in. Um because it needs that cold, obviously, to split and form the individual cloves. Otherwise, you end up with the the pig. We've all been there in one clove, which you can still, you know, do, but it's not as rewarding. Um I guess what are you planning on um getting in the garden this autumn if you are planning on sort of doing anything?

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Yeah, so I have probably um I can't remember there's a a phrase. Anyway, I've basically overestimated the my ability, I think, because I with my time that I actually have to do things. But I've got uh some garlic there myself, which is sitting there staring at me from the seed collection um that I ordered ages ago because I was going to be organized and I'm not. Um I did pre-sprout uh all of my rununculus corms and I've got lots of rununculus seeds in it as well, um, which I've heard are notoriously um pedantic to grow the seeds. So um, yep, we're crossing our fingers for those ones. What else am I doing? Um I'd like to get some carrots in, um, all my snow peas, peas. Um, I still have so much stuff growing because I put it all in quite late and because we are still having the warmth, I've still got so many tomatoes, I've got corn, all of the things, and I'm I hate pulling them out until they're properly dead. So I'm just gonna keep flogging them for as long as I can. Um, and luckily I have the space to be able to move and put things in other areas. Um, what else am I going? Oh gosh. I've found it really helpful going on the seed collection website and being able to see what I need to grow in the next month and looking ahead so that way I can get my seeds in time and to start them. Um, but yeah, off the top of my head, those are kind of just the main ones that I'm excited about. Onions. I've got lots of onion seeds in, um, which are all sprouting, so I'm really excited to grow those because I can feel like that'll be super rewarding if they grow.

unknown 39:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

And um potatoes, I'm gonna do more potatoes. I did potatoes last year in some chicken wire cages, and that was a bit of a schmuzzle, so I won't do it that way. I'll definitely use grow bags um this year coming. Um, but yeah, definitely potatoes. I feel like you can never have enough.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

No, they're delicious too.

SPEAKER_01 39:29

So yeah, absolutely. So many different types.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

And so easy. Yeah. I find them easy, but I do you find that um obviously we grew them in the cage last year in your go to bag this year. Um they need a lot of compost. Um they they get a bit of a hungry.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

They are, and I don't think I did it very well. Again, I was just kind of hoping and wishing for the best with those guys, and they were tiny when they came out because I just, yeah, I didn't feed them enough and I just neglected them. Um but again I've learnt from that and I know what how to do things better this year, hopefully.

SPEAKER_00 40:09

Yeah, I've and that's and that's how I know that they're hungry is because I did the same thing, but you know what? Little tiny potatoes, they're still delicious. Just poke them in oil and salt and roast them. Yum. That's it. They they're quicker to cook when they're that small. Exactly. Enjoy them quicker. Exactly. The perks. Yeah, that's it. Tiny potatoes.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

And so a lot of that will you do seedling trays?

SPEAKER_01 40:37

Any of that would you do direct into the ground or yeah, so I was last year I was doing my um my snow peas and sweet peas and things like that um in trays. However, this year I'm just going to direct sew them because they're so easy to grow that they will just they'll shoot off. Um, so I'll just kind of interplant them with the things that are growing in the garden at the moment and um they won't disturb each other, and I'll just sit them in front of a trellis and they can just do their own thing. I'll just keep an eye on them, make sure that they're moist enough. But um yeah, definitely going to uh I'm just having a brain fart. Um, definitely going

Soil, pH And Letting Perfection Go

SPEAKER_01 41:20

to direct sew everything a lot more this year, whereas last year I don't feel like I had the space to be able to do it. Um, so this year I'm definitely just gonna go out and I'm uh gonna do a chaos style, I think, because I yeah, I've been pedantic in the f in the past, and um we have the gardens at TAFE. It's very much a chaos kind of we get our own garden bed and you just kind of sprinkle stuff in it and hope it grows. And I've had success every time I've done it. So I'm just gonna kind of take a leaf out of my own book and just chuck some seeds in, and if they grow, they grow, basically. So that'll be my carrots, my beetroot, um things like that. I'll probably won't be as I'll be more careful with my garlic and that kind of thing. But yeah, definitely my the carrot and beetroot are had great success with just throwing the seeds in last time. So I'll do that again, I think. Yeah, but I think those ones, the things that grow in the ground, they kind of grow better when you direct, so don't they Yeah, absolutely, so that we're not disturbing the roots, especially things like carrots and beetroot who have a taproot and they don't like being disturbed once they've you know started to to grow. So sitting them in the place that they're gonna live for their for their life, I guess, is just set and forget.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

Yeah, for their whole like were you gonna say for their whole life before thinking of little carrot fruits just like growing from little babies into like their whole life cycle. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

But I also find that having a few there that I let go to seed so that way I can collect their seeds again. Um so I did that with the beetroot and the carrots from TAFE. One of the other ladies um had a really successful beetroot that had just gone to seed and it was beautiful, so yeah, took a few of those. So hopefully I have nice strong beetroots myself this year.

SPEAKER_00 43:20

That's really exciting. And um obviously you're growing like a lot of veggies as well. Do you enjoy cooking? I love cooking, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:28

I I find cooking with things that you've grown out of your own garden, there's just nothing like it. And the freshness is just next to none. You can't you can't get that from the supermarket. And knowing exactly where it's been, what's you know, gone near it or touched it, any kind of I don't use any chemicals in my garden. Um I well, that that's very sorry. I think I use Roundup where I need to because I have the worst um. weed problem. Um, but I don't use it on my actual beds, I use them in the pathways, and that's as far as I go. Um, but yeah, just knowing where things come from and that I it was a tiny, tiny little seed, and then I'm now eating the fruits of you know all the hard work and watching it grow, it's just yeah. I I'm sure you can agree there's just nothing like it.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

Yeah, and I mean I'm only starting to properly think about the more veggie, more vegetables, more fruit and some vegetables that's not tomatoes, cucumbers and zucchinis. Because I find that they're three things that I've grown successfully and nothing beat, just picking a tomato off the spine in the garden. And I used to hate tomatoes, but when I started growing them myself and my son would eat them, I'm like, this is amazing. And now I actually don't ask for no tomato on my burgers. I actually Oh my goodness. I was pretty mature when it came from. Yeah, just from gardening. Oh nice.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

Yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_00 45:04

And what's your favorite, I guess, what's your favorite vegetable to grow that you cook with?

SPEAKER_01 45:11

Um, well, I'm a I mean, it's the easiest one, zucchini. I mean, I I cook with everything in it, and I you can chop it, you can grate it, you can, you know, make it disappear into something. Um, and it's just super versatile and they're so abundant that it's just easy. Um, and tomatoes, all the ones that you said that are easy, I I find I get the most joy out of. I'm really probably my most favourite is probably bush beans though. I just love going to the the little because a little bush, it's not like a vine or anything, and you go and pick them off and you can just chuck them straight into your dinner that night, and it they're just so crisp and fresh, and yeah, they don't you know when you get a bag of beans at the supermarket and some of them are already starting to rot, and you're just like, oh gosh. Yeah. But yeah, definitely I would say um a bush bean, but there's so many different varieties of things that you can get, and um I think it's really fun to experiment and to try something different. So um I've got a couple of little experiment um these bloody gnats are going around in my face. Um yeah, lots of little experimental um plants that I was trying this year, so they were fun. Um, and again, you've got nothing to lose by trying something new in the garden.

SPEAKER_00 46:38

Exactly, and that's the whole fun of it. And you've actually inspired me to try some bush beans. I know that we've got a extensive range. Huge, I know, and it's gonna be hard to pick. Um, do you have a fave for it?

SPEAKER_01 46:52

Yeah, just generic green bush beans. Just like they're super hardy. I yeah, just can't get enough of them. They're fantastic. And they're superlipping as well. You get heaps off this tiny little bush. So yeah, I've had lots of success with them.

SPEAKER_00 47:11

Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Yeah, they're great.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

And so I guess if we're looking kind of to the future of your garden and you've obviously got a lot of space, you've moved from the back up to the front. Do you have um any plans at the moment of what you might like to do next in your garden?

SPEAKER_01 47:32

Yeah, that's a great question. I am unsure where I'd like to take it because I feel like there's two sides of my mind. Um, one would be to be able to possibly expand expand the garden with my flowers and open it to the public to be able to come and do pick your own nights and things like that. Um, I feel like that would be super rewarding. Um, and also it's pretty low maintenance because people can just come in and pick what they want. There's no expectation, people are just excited. Um, and then there's also the part of me that would like to keep it privatized for myself and expand it to be able to to possibly go into plant genetics and plant breeding um of my flowers. Um, I don't think that I would want to do anything commercial, such as like a a market garden and you know, grow lots of vegetables and things to sell. Um, there's already a some amazing people in the um community who do that, so they can keep keep on going. I'm not gonna take it that over, but yeah, I'm unsure where pardon me, where I would like to land at this point, um, or if I even just keep it small and enjoy it and maybe go and and work in the industry and enjoy other people's hard work um and help them. So yeah, there's lots of different avenues, but with the garden for now, I'm just enjoying having it how it is, maybe make it a bit bigger next season. Um, and yeah, just maybe not bite off more than I can chew, but unfortunately I don't really know how to do things at small scale. So yeah, maybe just keep sharing it on my social media and um help other people to be able to have a a cut flower garden like mine. Um I find there's a lot

Seeds, Windproof Greenhouses And Autumn Plans

SPEAKER_01 49:30

of fluff around on the internet of you have to have everything and do things a certain way and um a lot of people don't share how they do things. So I've been getting a lot out of um sharing how to do it because I quite literally I mean I had my knowledge of how to grow things, but I just was on TikTok and just decided that I wanted to do it and yeah, asked some questions and went for it. But um I have had maybe once a week I have somebody saying, Thank you so much for your videos. I these are the flowers that I have grown this year because of you, you inspired me. And um, so that's been like that just makes it all worth it, really. So yeah, maybe continue to do that. I don't know. So many options.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

And I really do enjoy watching your videos because they are um like a productive video. It's sort of, you know, it's um no fluff, as you said. It's just writing and sort of I saw the one of you fixing your hose, like fixing your own thing. Like don't go and buy something new, fix your own, fix your own stuff. Yeah, which I think this kind of um climate as well. And like things are just so easy to just go and replace.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

Absolutely, absolutely, and I find that with my um ex-partner, I it was very easy for me to say, Oh, can you fix this for me, or can you do this for me? And you know, I could do it, but you know, it'd just be easier if somebody else did it for me, or oh, that's too hard, like I'll just get a new one. Whereas now that I'm myself by myself, I'm like, okay, well, I don't have somebody to fix that for me. How do I learn how to do it? Like, I don't have the money to just go out and buy things new. How can I be a bit more savvy or you know, because some things are super easy to fix, like a hose, like it seems intimidating, but really it's like a couple bucks from the from your hardware store and you've got a brand new hose, it's just a bit shorter. Yeah, exactly. But it's just the small things, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 51:38

Yeah, and it's about I guess like reducing I guess waste as well, and like you re like you really don't have to. There's literally things that you can do. Um, and I guess gardening can be as expensive or as cheap as you want it to be.

SPEAKER_01 51:56

Yeah. Completely agree. And I'm a very big advocate to going to your local tip, to your tip shop, if you have one, op shop. There's always people throwing out things that they don't need anymore, and they're perfectly fit for use. And who cares unless you're, you know, Donna Hay or someone like oh who's Martha Stewart who's you know, everything's perfect. Like you don't need that. If you want to grow something, the plants don't give a toss what they're growing in, as long as they've got some drainage. You could grow them, I've grown them in the plastic that my meat comes in, you know, from the supermarket. Just put a couple holes in it and then put some soil in it, and you know, it'll grow.

SPEAKER_00 52:38

I actually made the mistake of putting all my seedlings into a metal baking tray. And inside they were okay because I was just misting them. But we're renovating, so I put them outside and it rained. I honestly I feel so bad because I work here. I'm slowly learning how to grow seeds, I promise.

SPEAKER_01 52:59

It's embarrassing, but No, but that's how you learn. That's what's kind of funny, and you can have a laugh about it because you know, it's not like you've just, you know, killed something very expensive, like there it's a it's a few seeds, you know, what's what's a couple bot dollars if you're going to learn from it, I suppose. Um And that was a few years ago.

SPEAKER_00 53:20

I've definitely enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Yeah, backtrack. I thought you were gonna say in the metal tray that they baked in the sun or something.

SPEAKER_00 53:32

Well they could have. It depends which season it was gonna be in, but oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 53:37

The metal tray is good though when you are starting seed leaves because the metal retains the heat, which helps the seeds to germinate a lot quicker too. So that's you weren't on you know, you weren't on the off the right track. That was smart.

SPEAKER_00 53:51

Thank you for feeding my ego. Um so um obviously we're getting towards our time because it's a fantastic chat, and we've been waffling along for everyone. Yeah, and I guess the one of the last things I kind of wanted to ask you, which is one of the more important things as well, is um why you sort of started your um TikTok channel.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

Yeah, so that was kind of a it was a rainy day, and I was kind of like, oh, you know, maybe this someone will be interested, you know, in how I've started. I know that I would have liked to have found someone who just told me like it was, this is how you do it, this is how you start. But I found that there was lots of you have to buy this or you have to sign up for this, and you know, oh, keep watching all my videos and eventually I might tell you something. And I just hated the time wasting of that, and I just wanted somebody to be able to tell me like it was, and I thought, well, obviously there's a need for it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been looking for someone to just cut the crap and tell me how to start a flower garden for goodness sake. So I just decided to make a video, and the one of the first ones I did kind of went crazy viral, and there was I think it's got like 700,000 views or something now, um, of me walking in my cut flower garden saying, Hey, do you want to be able to grow this? Well, I'll show you how. And it resonated with a lot of people because they don't want to have to, you know, in this society, people just want to know know how to do it now and I they want it now. So yeah, I just kind of fluff around in my garden now and say, Oh, well, I'm doing this, I might as well get some content out of it and record it, and maybe it might help somebody else.

SPEAKER_00 55:46

Yeah, definitely. And it's sort of, um, as I've noticed, you're telling people how to do it in that video. It's not wait for part two, or yeah, it's it's very informative and as you said, no fluff, no crap. It's and I find them very entertaining, and I think a lot of us would as well. Um, it's really nice to um obviously yeah, see you and um like what you're doing and what you're up to. And especially with what you're studying as well, I find that um it as you said, it would be nice to call yourself a horticulturist and it's um it sort of like backs backs you when you're telling somebody this is how I do things or whatnot. Having that technical knowledge as well, um, which people can, I guess, rely on as well and trust. Yeah. I think so too.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

And I think that the kind of content that I'm trying to, even though I am studying horticulture, if you didn't know that, um, I don't want people to go, oh, well, she's studying horticulture, so you know, she she actually knows her shit, so she should she she would be doing everything perfectly. But in actual fact, I I I don't know everything, and I'm very open about that on my page, that I'm a lot of the time just not just winging it because but because I do have a green thumb and I do have education and knowledge and practice behind me, but a lot of the time as I keep preaching, I am very no-fuss, just try and have fun with it, and I try and keep things very light, and I also show my stuff ups on my page as well, like when things don't go to plan or it's messy and it's chaotic and it's just very much realistic. Yes. Because I I find that a lot of the times um gardening can be made to look very airy, fairy, and perfect, and everyone's got their shit together, and uh people are I don't know, they create this idealistic view and it's not

TikTok Gardening With No Fluff

SPEAKER_01 57:50

realistic. And I am very much um trying to show the real the reality of gardening and what can go wrong and yeah, just to keep going on with the punches when just because something stuffs up doesn't mean it's the end of the world, we just keep going.

SPEAKER_00 58:10

Yeah, and I find that the need for more relatable um and practical content um is there and people are wanting to see real gardens, real stuff-ups in the gardens and real wins as well. And it it helps people feel like they can connect and relate because we're not just seeing everybody's wins, we're not just seeing everybody's successes, we're seeing both sides. And you know, when we have those fails as beginner gardeners, hobby gardeners, experienced gardeners, we're seeing that other people also do have those failures as well, and it makes it real. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 58:46

I think in this day and age, especially with younger people growing up, there's there is a bit of a gap for young gardeners, um, people who are wanting to get into it because it is kind of classed as a you know an older person hobby and oh, you're gardening, it means you're aging kind of thing. But, you know, it's I think being able to relate to people in a younger, in quotation marks, age bracket compared to say, you know, grand your grandparents or um trying to break that stigma that you know we can get out there and we can garden it is fun and and we can make it light and airy, and it doesn't have to be a certain way or a certain niche. Just because you like the flower, that's enough to have it in your garden, you know. It doesn't have to be fit for purpose or fit for, you know, the looks. If you like it, plant it, you know, or if you like to eat it, plant it. Who who gives a toss? As long as you're happy with it. Um that's all that really matters. And yeah, if things fail, they fail and we keep going.

SPEAKER_00 59:48

Exactly. And what you said about your great grandmother as well is that she didn't have a big backyard. She was growing all of these beautiful carnations in pots, and I feel like that's you know, you don't need to have a big space. You can grow on balconies, you can grow in pots.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:03

There's absolutely every everything that I'm growing can be grown in a pot, you know, and if I wasn't lucky enough, well, I worked my ass off to get what I've got. But you know, I was fortunate enough to have this and I had a small little backyard, which is still amazing. You know, I would be growing everything in pots. And I have quite a few friends who live in town who are growing their dahlias or dahlias in pots and are getting excited about amaranth and wanting to grow that in their garden to, you know, it it can all be grown small scale, nothing has to be giant big cut flower garden. Like you don't have to have that. That's unrealistic for the majority of the population, and I understand that. But yeah, I don't want somebody to look at mine and go, oh gosh, well, I don't have that amount of space, so I can't do that. Um, yeah, it's totally achievable for anyone and just give it a crack. Gardening's the best.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

Yeah, definitely. And I started my first um, like I had a I had a big yard. I was still on half an acre and I wasn't growing on my land um because I was on a big slope. I started in one of those corrugated, um, like long raised garden beds. That's how I started. I even started my dahlias that way. I used to only grow from raised beds because I just my soil was heavy, heavy clay on a massive slope. And you know, every anyone can start anywhere if you look at my garden now compared to what I started with years ago. Absolutely. And I just think that, yeah, um, as you were saying, it's social media, um getting young people, I guess, off from behind the screen and into the garden, being able to balance that time, like still having a scroll, but having a hobby, scrolling hobby and then going outside and you know being outside in nature.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:56

It's so important. You don't realise that you need it until you don't have it, and you go, oh, it's just so good for the soul, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

Exactly. And as we said, you don't need a big backyard, you can start in a pot or one veggie garden. There's so much you can do in one raised bed, it's insane.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:15

It's insane, and there's so many amazing people online that you can follow. And I'm not plugging myself right here, there's so many other people. I follow somebody um this man, his name is Keith, and he does uh it's KE landscapes on Instagram and Facebook, and he has a small backyard in the Mornington Peninsula, and he is fantastic. And I have learnt so every morning he puts up a post, and I learned so much from him. Um, and he just has raised garden beds, and yeah, you you can see how he and he has the most amazing produce, but he has it in a small backyard garden in um Melbourne. So it's definitely doable. Um, it's just what you're willing to be able to to do and what your space is like.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:05

Yeah, I love that. And um yeah, as as we said before, we are we've gone over an hour, but I've absolutely cut some stuff out, I'm sure. No, not at all. I think it's all been great, and I think it's been absolute, like it's been an absolute pleasure to chat with you, Kira.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:25

And I feel very, very lucky and um, yeah, very it's bizarre that I yeah, just making some little TikToks and now people are interested in hearing about me Babylon.

Final Thoughts And Where To Learn More

SPEAKER_00 1:03:40

No, and I think that that's why we want to hear you Babylon. It's been great. And I know that this is um, yeah, we've touched on so many wonderful topics today, helpful topics for gardeners of all levels as well. So I just want to thank you for your time. Um, and yeah, I can't wait for everybody to see some of the pictures that I'll pop up. So I'll pop it up in the article um on our website, on our podcast um category, and yeah, pop up on some socials and get it all circulating. And yeah, once again, thank you so much for joining me, Kira. No, thank you. Thank you for having me on.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:19

And yeah, hopefully I haven't bored everyone too much. We'll see how we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:25

I highly doubt it. Anyway, see you later.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:29

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:31

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