SPIRITED TALK PODCAST

IS INTUITION YOUR REAL SUPERPOWER?

Patrick Mathews, Kathy Mathews

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We talk about intuition as both psychic awareness and something that can blend with spirit communication, including the way “gut instinct” hits your body like an instant yes or no. We also tackle common questions: Do kids have stronger intuition, or do they just doubt less? Why does mother’s intuition feel so powerful? Do men have intuition but push it down? Along the way, we share practical, grounded steps to develop intuition, like short meditation to quiet the mind, learning discernment, and building trust by getting real-world confirmation.

Dancing For Instant Energy

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I was out of breath.

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I was dancing to the song.

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We actually hear the song and we're just all moving around. It's a catchy little ditty.

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I thought it would give me energy. I'm tired.

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Well, that's today's show. That'd be funny if they actually saw what we were doing during that song. Everybody just imagine it, okay?

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We imagine it because it's happening to them. They're doing it to them.

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We need to imagine what they're doing.

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Right. If you're not up off your seat right now, get off your duff and dance to that song. Yeah, let's come back. Okay.

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See, that'll get you going, especially if this is in the morning. You're gonna wake up with it.

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Shall

The Bouncing Exercise Experiment

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we say that you start trying something new too? You tried bouncing.

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Well, explain that a little bit more. Well, and so you two. I saw it on YouTube. This guy was sitting there or standing there. And a good exercise is to just on your toes and just on feet. Well, first it starts on your feet.

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Right, just on your feet, just on your feet. Just bounce.

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Just bounce. You just kind of just bounce around, your feet flat to the ground. I'm doing it kind of now, sitting down, and you just kind of bounce up and down.

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And then all of a sudden do something.

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And then you and then you escalate to when you're doing your toes, you're on your toes and you go up and down, up and down, up and down. And it just kind of shakes the whole body, gets the energy going.

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Ladies, you know what I'm saying. It shakes.

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The chakras. You're saying if you're doing it everything. So try it, it it'll give you a headache. Try all of a sudden it, yeah, it did a little bit of it. So there's your exercise. I was just too enthusiastic about it. So there's your exercise. I thought it was good. So I I would do it again. So check the YouTubes out. Right, it's supposed to do something. So we'll see. You know what? Just dance.

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Just dance is great. So just dance for that.

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Well, you know what? You think about that. It you know, the what's it called? The qi and the movement of the body that they would do, and or the we have to, we have to move. And it it does swirl the energy around and it moves the energy. It's not just your physical body, but your energies also. So that's a very good point. That's not today's subject, by the way, but it's a good point that you brought all that up.

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Thank you very much. That's because I was dancing and

Defining Intuition As Calm Knowing

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my head is clear now, and I'm ready to talk.

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Okay, well, what are we talking about today?

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Kind of a little bit to do with energy. It's it's intuition.

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Very much to do with energy.

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And so do we have intuition? And what is it? Well the heck is intuition.

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Please do tell. No. Actually, intuition, uh, to me, it it's it's several different factors. It can be a psychic intuition, or you know, people also can commonly refer to intuition as receiving messages from spirit too. You know, they'll get a feeling about something, uh-huh, and that can also come from spirit. So psychic, it can be psychically, you receive it, or through spirit. But either way, it's another word you could say intuition about it.

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Well, and everybody has it to some degree. Now I think that a lot of people dismiss it when they get that feeling because intuition will be a the way I like to describe it, it's a calm knowing. And you you you've got a feeling and and it may even be mixed in with spirit, because a lot of times we don't listen to our intuition, and then they'll tag on and and nag you to listen to that intuition.

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Back and forth, back. But you know, that's the key word is you said the word knowing, and that comes up sometimes during the when I'm giving a reading and such, where somebody will have a feeling about something, and there's no explanation, it's just a knowing. It's right. They didn't learn about it, it's something they didn't go find out about. It's just inside there's a knowing.

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Right. And that's what some some people will say who try to be on the other side of the discussion of intuition. They say, well, it's just something that you're that you've been through, your brain is processing it and it's making a pattern. And a lot of time intuition has nothing to do with anything you've ever experienced. So that kind of blows that out of the water because it it's a it's an you might have a feeling of going somewhere and and I've never been there before, but something might happen, and then you find out you didn't go and it did happen. Right. So that's not a pattern of of something that you learned. It's it's something that that your intuition told you, hey, stay away from that.

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Well, there can also be like say a certain knowing, like when I became a medium, you know, different things and all that that inner or people can call it a calling, too. Yeah. Where you have a certain calling or knowing that there's something you need to do or to accomplish or to become.

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And I and I think that's right. It it you that's that's a big branch of it, is to to know that this is what I'm supposed to be doing, and that's when you give into it. Give in to your intuition, don't fight it. A lot of people will say, That's just me, that's wishful thinking, it's this and that.

Children, Mothers, And Intuition Myths

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But if they if they really get to the crux of it, intuition is a knowing, a calmness. There's no anxiety with it. It's it's like this is what you need to be listening to. You might be anxious to fight it, and they say, That's not what I want to talk about, you know, I don't want to listen to that or something like that. But once you give in to intuition, it's right.

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Right. And now some people will pass it down to where like children, like do they have a stronger intuition? I'm gonna I'm gonna say no on that. I want to say children can have more of a uh opening to spirit and communication with spirit, but an intuition, I'm not gonna say that children, I think children and adults are at an equal playing field. Maybe maybe even more adults are more str I'll say stronger with intuition than a child would be. But I think children are very sensitive to spirit.

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I think they're sensitive to spirit, but I also think they they may not have they may have the same amount of intuition as an adult, but they just like spirit, they don't talk themselves out of it. There's no there's not there's not as much doubt to it. They just don't understand it, so it doesn't come to the other side.

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They don't understand it or maybe can't, like you say, decipher what's going on with it. But either way, I think to me, my opinion is like say when you see a spirit as a child, as I did, yeah, you know, I used to say ghosts and things like that, spirits really you un you you believe, you know, what's in front of your eyes. Right. Where intuition can be so slight that you have to sometimes you do have to decipher the meaning of what you're receiving.

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So yeah, I think exactly. I don't think they're able to understand what's happening, whereas seeing a spirit, you you get it's right there in front of you.

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Right. Which happened many times.

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Right. But I think a mother's intuition is extremely strong.

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That's true. That's uh, you know, everybody even you know, that's a common thought. Right. A mother's inner intuition.

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But I I would go so far as to say a woman's intuition. And not to displace men, but there are plenty of women who have that mother instinct. You don't have to literally be a mama to understand that motherly love and instinct. And I think women have I don't know if they have it more or not, but I think they they accept it more.

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But no, like you said, as a mother, you have to use your intuition uh, you know, for whatever's taking place with that child. So that's that's giving you something to focus on that person. And so that's why I think that intuition comes stri becomes stronger, basically, compared to when you just say women or men, when it's a mother, a motherly love, and that nurturing, they have to take care of that child, and intuition definitely comes into play with that.

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Right, and I think that's I think I think men have it, but they push it back because they have to do the mechanical part of a relationship, they have to be the man and do this.

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Right, it's more about mental, physical nature that you have to do this, take care of this, and that's done, you know.

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Yeah, I think they the provider. Right. Well, yeah, but I think that's back in the day. And I think that men are changing.

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Everybody's a provider now.

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I think men are changing and that it's uh it's coming more to the forefront. I think men haven't allowed themselves to have it. I think they all have it, but they haven't allowed themselves to have it. Well that's what we're finding in which they are now.

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Well, with everything we do in our work, we're finding that out that you know, even more men are becoming more self-aware of their own six senses and you know, just all of this, basically, where you know they were interested in it, but more and more are becoming more open to the possibilities of what's taken place, and of course their intuition.

Meditation And Trust To Build Intuition

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Right. And now how can they people who have intuition and they say, I have it, but I'd like to get it stronger. What are some easy steps to to make that even more into the front of their forefront of their life? I say maybe meditation.

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Well, meditation is a good grounding start because that helps quiet the mind. Okay, again, we as we mentioned, we have meditations on my website. We do really nice ones at the bottom of the page, just go to meditations and that'll help you sort out your thoughts, if you will, and slow them down. But that's one way to do that because once you slow the brain down and the thought process, all of a sudden you become more instinctive. You become have that stronger intuition that you know you start to feel and sense things.

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Right. And the more you trust it, the more noticeable it'll come.

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That's the next thing. That's the next step, really, is to trust. It's almost the same thing when you talk when we talk about connecting with spirit and things like that. But again, we'll stick with the intuition part, and that you just kind of have to trust the feelings or that gut instinct that you're receiving.

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That's funny, because when we teach workshops, that's the literally the first thing we tell people is we're gonna say, trust what you get.

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Yes, yes. Trust what you get.

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And more than likely, the person who thought they couldn't do our workshop turn out to be this A1 star students because they trust, they drop the right. They okay. I'm gonna be wrong.

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Then be more okay. I know this is wrong. I know this is silly. I know this is but then all of a sudden, whatever they say, oh that you know, you're right. You're right, you're right. And so that's the key is just trust what you're receiving.

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Right. I'm wrong a lot. I just don't accept it.

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So I just go I tell you that all the time, actually. And you don't accept it.

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It's okay that you can say that. I don't accept it. So let's do it.

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You're wrong about the bouncing. You gotta give it a try, okay? You just gotta give it a try. And so that's the whole thing is to be aware of that and to trust it.

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And spirit communication can help in this, I think.

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Well, that's again that people that's a fine line between intuition, because that's the psychic part, and then actually receiving guidance from spirit. And again, a lot of people will put that into the same realm of being the same thing, intuition, messaging. But there it's actually two different things. It is, but that's okay. You can it's okay to lump it into one, you know. The whole point is listening to what you're receiving.

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And I bet a lot of people out there have had things that if they just sit and relax and think about in the past, like they might say, I've never had really that intuition feeling in your whole lifetime. I bet if you just sit there and think, you go, you know what, I thought about this and then this happened. They don't label it at the time, but I think everybody goes through it. So I think everybody, if they just relaxed and saw that it did happen in the past, right, and then accept it and then move forward with really trying to listen to that that feeling that you have, it's a calm feeling, it's a knowing feeling.

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And it can be a feeling about yourself or about someone else, actually. So the another step of like to understand or to develop it would be to have confirmation. So if you're having a feeling about something or a feeling about someone, and whether it's about them or something happening in their lives, don't be afraid to ask them about it. Just say, you know, I'm having this feeling, and you more than likely will be surprised that what you're saying to them or that feeling you received is going to be confirmed by them.

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Exactly.

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And so that's the whole deal with as far as connecting with somebody else, and then it can be a life event, something that's about to take place in the world, even. You know, you can have that feeling that something could happen here or there, some kind of trauma or even something good. Keep in mind, intuition doesn't mean something bad, it can be obviously something good as well.

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Now, what what about when people when you meet somebody for the first time? Is that intuition where you say, you know, there's something about that person I just don't like? Everybody seems to like them, but I there's something about them I just don't like.

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It is, and again, that's I'm gonna tie that into the psychic part where all of a sudden you're reading their energy, you can get a feeling and pick up on their energy. Everybody has energy, we receive it, but we transmit it as well, and people pick up on it. So you can have that feeling of if somebody's a good person, a bad person, or maybe something's a little off with them, and that's where you have to then go with that feeling right that can put up a what would you say, like I don't want to say a guard, but a wall, but you can then delve into it with that person to see if that person is right or what you're feeling is right.

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You also it can be picking up negativity doesn't necessarily mean the person is negative, it could be a situation they're going through. Yes, and or it could be that something, you know, a past thing in their life that made them have a, you know, right something down, something. So it it might not be the person is a negative person, but you may be picking up something something negative that happened to them. So you have to learn how to decipher that. Don't just go to somebody and go, God, I'm getting a bad intuition about you. Get out of my face.

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I'm getting bad vibes about you.

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That's a little judgmental.

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Something I say to Kathy every day.

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And once again, I just say I'm right and I move on.

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But the whole point is that that's what I say, everything we experience in our life we carry with us. It's you know, it's part of our memory, but it's also part of our our soul, in a sense, because everything is energy and every event, every occurrence, every feeling, it's we're a capsule of that. And you can definitely pick that up on a person.

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But I think if you're in tune with your intuition, that will heighten your spiritual experiences as well. Because if you're open to that in if you're open up to intuition, then you're gonna be open up more to spirit and sign and things like that.

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Oh, absolutely. Oh, yeah, that the yeah, being open to intuition is like a ground level of what can be built upon and you know, the experience of spirituality and connecting, psychicness, and like I said, mediumship and all of it. Yeah, you know, it's like the the ground level of it. It's like the stork.

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And this is a good time for people when it's uh warmer weather, people getting outside, doing things like that, your energy is up anyway. But it's a good time to r reflect, and then when you slow down life, then that's gonna be easier for you to recognize when intuition comes in. You've drop those those barriers that you have of everyday life problems and everyday challenges. So it's good just to practice it and say, you know, do I have did I feel this today? Did it happen? It's not gonna happen every day, but it's when it does happen, you're gonna know.

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And like, say, if you meditate, that'll help that door to open where you might receive something like that.

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And we're not talking a big, huge meditation.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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And that's what I like about the meditations on the website, is we have they're specifically for different things. And they're short. Right. You know, hey, you know why they're short?

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Look, we uh they're five-minute meditation. You know, I've done different meditations, five minutes. Actually, they started out as 10-minute meditations. I said, you know what? People aren't gonna even do 10 minutes. Maybe we get them to do five. So five-minute meditations, five minutes go by. They're really good.

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They're really good.

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So check them out, of course.

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And that's because people, you know, lives are busy. And a lot of people don't have a half hour to sit there.

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No, but they have five minutes.

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But they have five minutes, and they and they're geared towards different situations. Each each one is geared towards so if you haven't checked out, you know, if people haven't checked out the uh meditations on the website, please do.

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Please do. Now,

Gut Instinct And Spirit Communication

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also we we talked about earlier, like we even brought up when we talk about we talked about uh gut instinct. I don't get that out. And the difference with between that is that when we talk about intuition is again a lot of people say gut instinct, that feeling. And through our basically work, we've always mentioned to people that that gut instinct is partially a big part is actually communication through spirit. Right. Meaning spirits, it's there's a chakra around your gut area, and that's where spirit will give you that feeling of yes, no, right, wrong.

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So when my shirt doesn't fit right, and people say your tummy's sticking out, I go, that's my chakra.

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I got a big chakra.

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You just watch your mouth. That's my chakra.

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That's my chakra you're talking about, lady. But no, the whole point is laughing here. That the whole point is that that's a way, again, spirit can give you that feeling. That's one way of, of course, many ways they help guide you, and that's why we always say the gut instinct's always right. Right. But again, part of that is also intuition as well. It can be received that feeling by every means, but but that's more spirit. Yes, by every means we don't want people to get confused about that.

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And and intuition is on a spectrum, and you could have a it happens a little bit, or you could have heavy intuition about something that that is happening that's very important. But it could be you go to the store and you're sitting there, I don't need to pick that up today. There's something about I don't want. It can be little.

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Oh, little, right. Just little, right. Well, you know what?

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That's not going to be earth changing every time you get it.

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Life changing and things like that. No, no. So that's but again, that's why if you go through and bringing back meditation a little bit, that's when you can help also decipher what is intuition and what is actually spirit communication as well. Because a lot of people will experience spirit communication and think it's spirit, but I mean spirit, they think it's in their word, intuition. Try saying intuition over and over again.

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That's the new meditation we want you to do today.

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Getting tongue-tied here. But but the more you meditate, you'll be able to decipher what's intuition and what is actually communication through spirit.

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Right. And I don't know if you want me to tell my story about the intuition. But when I I know people

The Fix-A-Flat Nudge Story

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who have heard this story before, I might have told it once or twice. What? About the tire.

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Once or twice. Well, yeah, the tire, it's in the book. And you should have read it. We've heard it. Oh, good. What's the story, Kevin?

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Oh, I'd love to tell it. I have an intuition to tell it.

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It sounds like I hear something different every time.

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But I was checking out of a store, and on the counter was fix a flat. And I have never bought that in my life. I didn't, it was just sitting there, and just something told me to go ahead and put that with myself. So I did. And on the way home, I had a flat tire.

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And so I had to use that because that's easier than changing a keep in mind that was before cell phones and things like that. Right. So you were in your model T.

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I cranked it up and then but uh and if I hadn't had that, I'd have been stuck. And you were by yourself. I was by myself. Oh. And so, but but that's that had never happened before that I wanted to pick up fix it flat, but I did not argue with it. I just said, Oh, there's that. I'm I should get that. And I put it, it got it, and then I used it.

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But did your intuition ever tell, you know, I you know, did it ever tell you basically why didn't you just use the spare tire?

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Because it's easier to squirt squirt fix it flat in there. That's why.

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Oh yeah, you probably wouldn't have gotten those nuts off anyway with the bolts and all that stuff. So no, that's a good story, actually, because that's a honestly, it really is a perfect example.

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It is of people just going with it and just doing it. Normally, I I would have been too cheap to buy it, but I said, No, I'm gonna get it and then help me.

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Now, the question is not because you can also tie that into spirit communication. Like, did it a spirit was that actually intuition? Was it a spirit giving you that intuition? Or was it actually spirit it's themselves?

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I think it was both because at first it was calm, it was like buy that, and then I I I kind of hesitated, and then I got a nagging feeling. And I think I hate to disparage spirit, but usually if you don't listen to them, it's a nagging feeling.

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So they nag you.

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So I like to think of myself as a spirit on earth.

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You just took the words out of my mouth, actually. But no, they definitely encourage the your awareness of well, awareness being intuition, they encourage that, they help you with your intuition as well. You know, that's part of their guidance is to for you to notice that sort of thing. You know, so and that's you know, when we say spirit, it's not just spirit guides, obviously your loved ones in spirit.

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So if you know, I'm sure I hope everybody enjoyed my story. If you didn't understand it, I will be ha no, I'll be happy to say it again on a future episode.

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Well, I I I have a intuition that that's going to happen.

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It's like every three or four episodes I like to tell it.

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You know what? It no but no, but it is a good story, actually. So

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Well thank you.

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So everybody to wrap it up has intuition.

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Right.

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And so they uh to to to let it develop. Right.

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And like I said, and through that is like through meditation, quieting the mind, stillness, just just being aware, just quieting the mind is again people always say you know, I I think so much, I can't quiet my mind. But you can. It just takes practice.

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It takes practice because you have a million things that will pop in, and then let those things come in, push them to the side, and then say, you know, I'll deal with those when I'm finished this five minutes.

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Right.

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And then they can do it that way.

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Now, again, let's when we talk about intuition, another thing I want to add on is the perspective of what it may be like to receive it.

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Uh-huh.

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Now, is like you said, is it like a nagging, nagging, nagging, or can it be very subtle?

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I think it's more subtle.

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Right. Right.

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To me, it's more subtle. And then once you get to, once again, that nagging.

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But that's what I'm saying. With each person can be different, depending on what this what you're actually receiving and what the message is. And keep in mind, a lot of part of part of it is the into intuition is timing.

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Yeah.

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Meaning you're receiving something about what's to take place or what's happening. And so sometimes when you mentioned earlier about it being nagging, nagging, nagging, it could because it has to be something taken care of right away. Right away. Honestly, just like with your fix a flat tire, that you had to do it right away.

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Yeah.

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And so that's why you got it right away, because the flat tire happened right away right afterwards. So where other things can be further out in the future, where it's that's why it's not as heavy or strong of a feeling. But it's still just the same message in a sense.

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Right. And it has to be taken care of. And if people, once again, trust is the key word.

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Right. So that sounds good. Is there any more we can talk about? Intuition, Kathy. I have intuition that I think we've covered it. Now let's again make sure, you know what? Let me pull this up, Kathy, because I want to make sure I get this

A Listener’s Sign At Graduation

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right here. Because obviously we love hearing questions and comments from people. And we're gonna get to some emails sometimes, but we also get messages too. And I want to look now. If you go to like Spotify or Apple, anytime you look at our different episodes, right on the top it says click here to leave a voicemail or text.

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Oh, nice.

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Depending on what you're using.

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And use your intuition and do it.

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Well, what I'm saying, well, let me explain how so what you do, what you do is click on that, and especially if you're listening to us on a phone, it'll just bring up your uh a little, you know, call us in that won't call you and leave a message, right? And you just simply leave us a message, um, and we'll listen to it and the whole thing.

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They have it on the air, yeah.

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Right. Well, say, you know, like give us ideas or like we're just talking about intuition. Let us know what you think about you know, your thoughts about intuition or what you may exp have experienced.

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Yeah, I'd like to hear what people have have experienced on intuition.

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Now, with the last episode when we talked about why isn't spirit more obvious, because you know, we won't go into it. There's subtlety and you know the purpose of it, but we had did have somebody leave a message. So and this is a kind of we thought a good example of an a subtle What's the word I want? Connection. Well, connection, yeah. I'm stumbling because I'm looking I'm looking for the file real quickly. Here it is, I think.

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Let's see how it's oh if you need me to sing or or to waste a little time, I'm here.

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Let me start it again because you were talking about on top of it. What are you what are you talking about?

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Me singing while you're looking. Okay.

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No, I found that I found that all right, let's listen. This is from Heidi. Heidi.

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I felt really compelled to listen to this, and I don't typically listen to podcasts. Uh last night I was in a Zoom graduation ceremony for a certificate program I completed. And last night in the middle of it, I had a very distinctive emotional shift in how I was responding to the experience. It was, of course, like positive, loving, self-love. And now that I've listened to this podcast, I'm thinking spirit was there, and that was my sign. And so I am very appreciative of this podcast, and it seemed to pop up at a very timely manner. Thank you.

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Well, thank you, Heidi, for leaving a message. We're so happy you enjoy the podcast.

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Right. And she she listened and then realized that that was a sign from spirit.

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Right, exactly.

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And so she she's got it right. She nailed it exactly right. It's perfect that you recognize that, honey.

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Again, because just similar to intuition, some people think you know, spirit communication is just gonna be bam, you know, right in front of you. Right. But it's very, very subtle. It was subtle. The more you opened yourself to it, the stronger it actually becomes.

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And she realized that that was a gift, a sign from spirit for her to listen to that.

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So that's for her graduation. So congratulations on that. Congratulations. It's exciting.

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That is exciting.

Kathy’s Random Thought About Spirit Bugs

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Now, Kathy. Yes, we didn't have it last episode, but I'm still debating if we're doing this or not.

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I think I love I think I think everyone loves this. I have got repeated people asking, it's my random thought.

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It's that's what it's called, random random thoughts.

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Kathy's random thought.

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Okay.

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Because yes, sometimes, you know, we even though I have a lot to think about, my mind goes to random thoughts.

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Okay, I'm taking a deep breath here. What's the random thought today, Kathy?

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All right, get it, get ready, everybody.

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Oh Lord.

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All right, think about it. Okay. It's it's warm weather, it's a lot of bugs.

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Bugs are coming. Bug season, everybody.

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Not there in the winter, but boy, they wake up with the first warm day. Okay.

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Was that the thought?

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No, but I'm getting a big thing. Oh, there's more to it.

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Okay.

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If you feel bugs on you, but you see there aren't any bugs on you, but they're crawling on you. Oh, they are they the ghosts of the bugs you killed in the past? Because there's nothing on you, but you feel those bugs.

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Bugs are coming back haunting you.

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Are they? I don't know.

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I don't know. That's the qu that's a that is a thought.

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Yeah, it's a random thought. Think about it. Yeah, I want everybody to ponder that before they do their meditations.

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Think about it. Think there's something to that.

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It happens. You don't see there's no bugs on you. Are there?

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You know what? Next time that happens, I will open myself up totally and actually communicate with them and see if there's actually spirit bugs around. I've never connected to a spirit bug, but that's something that's think about it.

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Okay. We're opening up a new realm.

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Yeah.

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Connecting with spirit bugs. You're welcome, everybody. More next time.

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Okay. Okay. Maybe, maybe. Well, thank you for sharing that random, very random.

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Kathy's random. A lot of fun.

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Well, you know what? We have to have like boo booms. We will have. I don't have anything set for that. Right.

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We have to create this.

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Oh, it's from Kathy. Yeah, we'll we'll come up with something. Okay. So I look forward to it. Well, that's that concludes

Voicemails, Contact Info, And Closing

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today's episode. That's right.

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Well, you know, there's more bouncing to do.

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Well, I I'm gonna get right back to that.

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But I've had a good time and I can't wait for the next episode.

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Okay, so guys, make sure you Well it'll say uh at the end here, but again, go to if you're listening to us, we'd love to hear. We'd like the audio messages. They're cool. So again, go to the uh where it says click to leave one. And you know what? You can actually go to the website too, and it'll it'll on the podcast page it's so that you can just call it 888 number that you can call too. So either way, we'd love to hear from you or email us, okay? That's right. So until next time, Kathy.

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All right, see you soon. To contact us with your questions, thoughts, or ideas, leave us a voicemail at 888 850 5509 or email us at spirited talkinfo at gmail.com. Be sure to head over to patrickmatthews.com for personal reading opportunities and events taking place.