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"White Collar" star Tim DeKay | The Latest With Maya

• Maya • Season 3 • Episode 30

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SPEAKER_01

Hi Tim. Welcome to The Latest with Maya. Tim Decay starred as Peter Burke in White Collar and will be in the upcoming revival. He also played Bizarro Jerry in Seinfeld, Patrick in The New Adventures of Old Christine, and Dr. Paul Thomas in Party of Five. Tim has also guest starred in Friends and Chicago Med. Thank you so much for joining me. I'm so excited to be talking with you.

SPEAKER_00

Oh Maya, it's a pleasure to be talking to you as well. This is wonderful.

SPEAKER_01

So first of all, I just want to say that I can't believe I'm talking with you right now. You've been a dream interview of mine for so long, and White Collar is one of my comfort shows. I re-watch it all the time.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's great. You know what's interesting is the term comfort show, it's it's I don't think it was around necessarily when White Collar was on. And I think I don't know if it's uh evolved into one or if or if it's always been a comfort show, but I I've always said that the show is multi-generational, and that you could watch it with grandparents, uh parents, and and younger kids, and the younger kids would think that they're getting away with something with watching it as if it's too adult for them, but they but they watch it anyway when in actuality they're not getting away with anything. It's just one of those shows that's that's got a huge heart to it and and allows many people to watch it together. And it's exciting too. It's it's there's always a good caper.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I have seen it, I've lost track how many times I've seen every episode. It's just on constantly.

SPEAKER_00

So that's great. Well, if you if ever you run into my daughter, give her a hard time because she just finished watching the whole series, uh maybe three or four months ago. But she was young, much younger when she watched it, and she didn't like the idea that Tiffany and I were would kiss. She wasn't crazy about that.

SPEAKER_01

Um so um, what is uh the greatest lesson you have learned from a character you've played?

SPEAKER_00

Oh gosh, that's that's a wonderful question. The greatest lesson I have learned from a character I played, I think. I I would it would have to be Peter Burke, uh, I believe. And he just kept such a straight and narrow, uh not necessarily narrow path, but he kept a straight path. And he he he had a strong moral compass. And um he he was a great husband, or is a great husband, and and uh he communicated with Elizabeth a lot, and and I've and I've picked up on that cue from him and have tried to communicate more with my wife in the in the uh in the meantime.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I love that. Yeah. Um yeah, so you've done a lot of theater and you've been on Broadway. Uh the counter just finished its run at Theatre Works Hartford. Uh, what's your favorite part about live theater?

SPEAKER_00

Well, it's it's it's an old answer that that has been given ever since probably film and television came into play. But uh in general, general, film is a director's medium and television is a writer's medium, but uh stage is an actor's medium. And there's something about even though you've rehearsed many weeks, sometimes months, uh, for a play, once that curtain goes up or the lights go down and the lights come back up, the evening and the story is yours to tell as an actor for the night. And it becomes quite magical when you feel the audience with you. You they're telling you we are along this ride and we're loving it, and we get all the jokes and we get all the suspenseful moments and we're pondering certain thoughtful moments. Uh it's it's magical. And what's what's remarkable about it is that it will never happen again. That that one night will never happen again. And so you have you have an experience with that you'll never, that one night will never happen again. Because the next night will, even though you tell the same story, something different will happen that night. And then if if you go really long with a run of a play, there might be a little part of you that hopes that an accident happens on stage where somebody forgets their line or somebody enters at a wrong moment. Then it's really exciting because, oh, what are we gonna do now? This is different. But for the most part, uh it's if you're truly present, it's a wonderful way to tell a story as an actor.

SPEAKER_01

Oh wow, I love that. Yeah, um, yeah, so I am uh pop culture obsessed, and I go in stages of shows that I um cannot stop watching. Uh, is there a show that you are currently obsessed with?

SPEAKER_00

There are a few. There are a few. It's incredible how how many more shows you can watch now with all these platforms. Uh so my wife and I we love slow horses. We uh we love the diplomat. We we love um all creatures great and small. Just love it. And it's and uh I probably have friends who are gonna see this and say, oh my god, that's so sappy, or that's so uh sentimental. I disagree. I think it's uh well, and I'm not alone. Um a lot of people watch all creatures great and small, so we love that. Um uh I can't I could go on. There are many. I'm trying to think of oh, I just started watching um 30 Rock for the first time, and it's hilarious. It is hilarious. Yeah, so uh-huh. Yeah, we go on all the rides.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I love that. What about you?

SPEAKER_00

What's your favorite show right now?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, um, I just started watching uh the new season of The Night Agent.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and it it's really good.

SPEAKER_00

Now, have you watched The Night Manager?

SPEAKER_01

No, my mom watched that, and then she uh I was I've been meaning to watch the second season with her because I've been wanting to see it too.

SPEAKER_00

So um it's it's great. The the do you so you saw the first season?

SPEAKER_01

My mom did. I did I didn't watch the first season of The Night Manager, but I want to.

SPEAKER_00

All right. I'll if you watch the first season of The Night Manager, I'll watch the first season of The Night Agent.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, deal. Yeah. Um so if you had a warning label, uh what would yours say?

SPEAKER_00

Oh you know what? Uh so my my friend George Newburn, I think you did you interview George?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. He's he's not a very interesting guy, so I'm sure it wasn't a very good interview. Um sweet, very sweet, but not interesting. Um that is that is a great, great question. Why I'm digging George right now is because I thought, oh, I wonder, does she uh do you ask that question to everybody?

SPEAKER_01

Uh yes.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I had a feeling. Yeah. Um because I I saw it before. My warning label would be um warning uh every so often has a temper. And but and but more so, warning also um we'll always try to make something funny. We'll try to find a joke in the situation, which reminds me of my good buddy uh Willie Garson and how he and I would uh daily call each other up with a bad joke, just awful joke. I would call him up with some joke and he'd say, Is that the only reason you called me? I said, Yes. He said, I'm hanging up now.

SPEAKER_01

So I love that. Yeah. Um so um what genre of movie would your life story be told as?

SPEAKER_00

Uh I think I look back on m most of my memories uh and I remember the funnier times uh growing up. There certainly there are some dark moments, but my my memory of my life is mostly uh funny. Uh and whether or not that not all my memories are funny uh about my life. Certainly nobody has all funny memories, but for some reason I they come to me more than others. Um so I would I would say it would be a dramedy.

SPEAKER_01

Oh I like that. Yeah. Yeah. I I I like that. I've um always wanted my life story to be both a musical and a rom-com.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, so you would have music.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Well okay, uh so my my question to you, what's your name three of your top musicals?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, um like movies or um or plays or theater, either one. Okay, um well I've never seen like the um musical live, but I'm obsessed with the Spring Awakening soundtrack. So um yeah, and then I love um the movie The Prom. Um and then I don't and then Hamilton or Dear Van Hansen. Uh I'm gonna go with four, so I'll say Hamilton and Dear Van Hansen.

SPEAKER_00

Wonderful. I've never seen The Prom. I should see it. Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it is. I that's one of my comfort movies. I love it. Um also it came out during um COVID. So it would I remember my uh mom and my sister and I all just watching it together. Um and so yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I think I think sometimes our memory of a particular movie or a TV show or or like you did a movie at home, part of why you love that movie is because of what was going on that you were with your mom and your sister, and you know, or for I'll never forget going to see The Sting when I was a kid, and uh my dad and I went to see it. Still one of my top five movies, um, because it was it was exciting. My dad and I never would go see a movie together, but it was just the two of us, and then afterwards we went to this restaurant and there wasn't room in the in the dining room, so we ate at the bar, and I felt like wow, this is I'm a gro I'm a big guy now. I go see movies called The Sting and I eat at the bar. That's I felt like such a grown-up then.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I love that. Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, there's that just what you were saying, yeah, definitely there's movies that I love because they're I think they're really great movies, but also I have strong memories attached to them. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Um yeah, so um who has had uh the biggest impact on the person you have become?

SPEAKER_00

I I I I would say the people in my family, I think perhap probably my wife has had the biggest impact on the person I've become. Um my parents and simply raising me, you know, uh, and and teaching me wonderful things and and being a part of my psychological makeup as well. Um and my brother and and my children. My children who are grown-ups now and who can who have the vocabulary to handle uh any situation, any emotional situation far better than than I can. Uh they they're uh quite mature, and there are times when I just sit back and I think, wow, uh Lisa and I raised that person, and I'm just in in awe. And so they they continue, as does Lisa, to make I want to be a better person for them. And and and to them. Um and of course, uh uh, you know, your your immediate family, my brother and my mom and dad are I I you know I they they've had a a huge effect on on my life, both um both while I was living with them and and w while I uh I'm a grown-up. Um but my the first and foremost person is Lisa, my wife.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I love that. Yeah. I um I actually um interviewed uh your son Jameis uh last summer. Um yeah, I interviewed him and Nathan.

SPEAKER_00

Um yeah, they're those knuckleheads, they're great.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I I hope you and I hope you enjoyed it as much as they did.

SPEAKER_01

I did. I had the best time talking with them. I have their music on repeat all the time. I was just listening to it before. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um it's so funny. That's what you uh my daughter is uh well, Jameis. So Jameis went to Yale as uh you might have talked about one during the interview, maybe not, but and he studied history and French at Yale and and uh played baseball there. Um and that's what you do with the Yale education in history of French. You become a rock star.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean that's just the obvious.

SPEAKER_00

Of course, of course.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And my daughter is is writing, she's in in uh Ireland right now. Uh yeah, studying at Trinity, getting her master's there. So I try to f we we, Lisa and I try to find as many excuses as possible to go to Ireland, but we've only I helped her move in. She she kind of needed help, kind of didn't need help, but uh we had been to Ireland about a a about a year before that. Oh such a beautiful place. Such a beautiful place.

SPEAKER_01

Oh wow. Yeah. Um, that's so cool. Yeah. Um so um what is uh the biggest obstacle either personally or professionally that you have overcome?

SPEAKER_00

I think the one professional obstacle that I've that I've overcome and I continue to do it, is that uh I wouldn't say that I I necessarily stuttered, never, never, never stuttered. However, I I have a tendency to have a lot of information and a lot of feelings, mostly feelings coming through me, and I and I would um as I'm doing right now, I can't quite be clear enough with you, even though the thoughts are in my head, and I think it because it has to do with emotional uh events and happenings, but I um I sometimes find myself uh not having clear enough diction when I when I first started acting. And so a big obstacle, almost a speech impediment I had. I remember going to a speech therapist when I was a kid uh and and working on my speech. So that's always been, I've always found that an obstacle, and I've always felt like, oh, that person, this character speaks faster than I speak. I can I can hear them speaking, and my rhythm is not going to keep up to them. And that's dangerous as an actor. You you you your character should never be higher than you are in in all levels. You should be able to sit comfortably in that character. Um maybe I'm going too deep here, but uh that's that's one of the obstacles is is was my diction and just my formulation of words. Um and I don't think I've ever told anybody that, but that I feel that has been a very personal obstacle um that I just shared. Uh and as far as personal, I don't know. I never want I never that never want conflict. So I'm constantly trying to make it so that there isn't conflict. Ergo the I try to always make something a little funny in the room. Um whether or not that's appropriate or uh or not. Uh sometimes that's questionable.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um your questions are wonderful. They make you think deeper and they uh take away the layers.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, thank you so much. Thank you. Um so what uh small things bring you joy on a daily basis.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I uh uh if if I I hear either one of my kids laugh. That just give brings me such joy. A really cold drink brings me such joy. Like cold, cold ice water, or I'm looking over here. They have me in a in a suite while I'm doing while I finished the play. But there's I always love to have a smoothie. That brings me such joy. And getting into bed with my wife brings me such joy. Just getting ready for my yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Um, yeah. So what is um uh common I'm sorry, and there I'm I'm sorry. There oh no worries.

SPEAKER_00

Wait, there's more. Wait, there's more. Um uh I love the weather. It's it's funny. Uh moving to California in 1995, I always thought that uh I didn't think we would stay. I just thought we were there for a while. But my wife knew we would stay. I didn't I didn't think that the camera was for me. Um anyway, we stayed. And there in Los Angeles, there really aren't seasons. Uh Los Angelino would argue that, but there really aren't seasons. But um I love being back east, and maybe this is why I'm answering it because I'm east now, but I love that it when it snows a lot, there is you're you're somewhat dictated as to what to do. Um I and I love that the weather tells you, helps, because a lot of times I wonder what I have so many things that I want to do, and and but I want to get outside, get outside, get outside. I always heard that growing up, and I'm glad I did. It's wonderful to go go outside, but I I just love that the I love that no matter how your life is going, autumn is around the corner, and and the leaves are changing, and it's different, and who knows what this difference will bring you.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, oh I love that. Yeah, yeah. Fall and winter are my favorite seasons. Um yeah, they are.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, oh that's that's fantastic. Yeah. Do you why is that? Do you think? Do you think because there's something romantic about it?

SPEAKER_01

There's something I think yeah, that and um I don't I love Halloween, that's my favorite. Um Halloween, pumpkin spice lattes, and yeah, and yeah, the snow. I just I don't like the heat, so I love I love the cold and the snow also. Um yeah, it just makes me like everything feel calm for me when it's snowing. And um yes.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, that's so true. Oh, I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Plus when it snows, I get to imagine I'm in like one of those like rom rom-com Christmas movies.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, and it and it always ends well. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, my um oh yeah. Go ahead. Oh, sorry, I was just gonna say my mom and I in uh December, we actually we were in New York for a couple days, and we there was this really cute diner by our hotel that looked like every diner in like uh every rom-com or Christmas movie. So I was like, we have to keep going back because I'm gonna get my movie moment. I'm gonna get my meat cute there. So we just kept going back because I was waiting for that.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's terrific. That is so you were in New York City during the holidays?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, for we were just there for four days at the beginning of December. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Excuse me. Um I I thank you. I love New York City during Christmas and the during the holidays. It's just gorgeous. And I supposedly there is a a town somewhere in Connecticut that where they've they've shot an ungodly amount of of Hallmark movies and Christmas movies because the the like the main street is just so idyllic. Um I should I should probably find yeah, it's it's very near Hartford. Uh so before we head out, I should I should look for that.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, cool. Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah, I um yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Find out what it is, I'll I'll email it to you.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yes, please. Thank you. Yeah, I've also always I love Gilmore girls, and so I've always wanted to go to Connecticut since there's so many towns there that Star's Hollow is based um on. So many. Yeah. Yeah. Um so uh what is a common misconception about you?

SPEAKER_00

I don't I I don't know. I uh I seem to be on a communication jag here, but uh I've heard people say to me, you seem to have it all together. And my immediate response is I don't. I don't have it all together. I try to, but I don't have it all together. I think as an artist, unfortunately that comes with it. Or maybe just being a person today and having it all together, just not having it all together, just comes with life. Um it's it it can be really hard. And it can be uh it can make you think that everybody else has it all together and not you. And and so when somebody says you have it all together, um I'm always no, I I don't, I really don't. I'm that makes me happy that you think that, and if and if something in that grounds you, terrific. But I don't have it all together, and I think maybe just admitting that, saying that you don't have it all together, that helps, maybe a little bit, putting it together. But it's never gonna be all together, and as an artist, it's never gonna be all together because it's all there's always something new, and you need to embrace all that newness and and and take it in and have it affect you and have it interest you and have it impact how you see the world, and that's sometimes hard to do, that's uh whether you're an artist or a non-artist. Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot, which is why it's nice when all that's happening, all that good stuff and bad stuff, positive and negative. It's nice when if you're sitting by a window and it starts to snow, and then all of a sudden everything is going to be okay. It's it's it's you know, it's somehow the snow just puts a blanket on the world for a little bit, or at least your world.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Um, so I just have a few more questions for you if that works. Um, so what is your favorite movie soundtrack?

SPEAKER_00

Favorite movie soundtrack is Henry Five. Uh directed by Kenneth Bronnich. Uh and Patrick Doyle does the music to that. And, and, and, and, oh boy, oh boy, I'm so glad I remembered this. Um Up by uh soundtrack Michael Chicchino, who is a dear friend of mine. And that and and I did not choose that because he's a dear friend of mine. I actually I didn't I don't know if I knew Michael then. And it was Jameis and his son were in a band and they did music together all through high school and junior high.

SPEAKER_01

Oh wow, that's so cool.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I love the soundtrack of Love Actually.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's a really good one.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I love that movie.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, it's great. We watch it every year, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I love that. Yeah, yeah. Um yeah, there's so many movie soundtracks that I'm just obsessed with. There's um uh a movie called Words on Bathroom Walls. Um that I love that soundtrack, and I love the soundtrack for the prom.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Words on Bathroom Walls.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well that's that's poetic.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, it's really good. That one also I have a strong memory of because it also came out during COVID. So my family and I are remember being at home and watching it together, like all snuggled under a blanket. And so yeah. Beautiful. Yeah, um, so what um movie, book, play, or show has had the biggest impact on you?

SPEAKER_00

I've been asked this before, and I can never say one thing. Um it it usually is a show that I am on that I will say that you know, if if I'd have to say white collar was a bit had the biggest impact uh on me. I I think were it not for white collar, you and I would not be talking. So I think white collar has had a big, certainly professional and personal impact, both very positive uh on me. So I'd have to say that. Um and I'm gonna go all the way back to high school when I did the play Oliver and I I was a senior and I'd seen the movie a long time ago, and I really wanted the title role, uh, but they gave me the role of Fagan. Uh and I I did the musical and I loved playing Fagan. And my uncle Bobby, who was uh a professional baseball player, he knew that I loved baseball and that I was going on to play baseball at Lemoy College, which I didn't do for very long, but I that's what prompted me to go to Lemoyne was baseball. And my uncle Bobby, after the play came up to me and he and he said, Burn the glove. Don't mean don't pursue baseball, pursue this. Wow. And and at the time it made me angry. I felt like saying, no, no. I I'm a I'm why what are you saying? I'm not a good catcher. You're saying I'm not a good ball player, watch this, watch, but uh in hindsight, he was right. And I had such a great time doing the play, too.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, oh I love that.

SPEAKER_00

Burn the glove. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah. Um, so if you had the opportunity to put a message on a billboard for everyone to see, what would it be?

SPEAKER_00

Be kind. Be kind and listen.

SPEAKER_01

I like that.

SPEAKER_00

That's it, and I'm sure other people have said that, but just be kind and listen. It doesn't, it's not necessarily be nice, which is different than kind, but just be kind and listen. And from that, a lot of good things come about.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, definitely. I love that. Yeah. I I'd like to see that billboard.

SPEAKER_00

It's pretty simple too.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You wouldn't need a lot of paint. Just a little black and white paint. One bucket of white, one black bucket of black.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Um so what um what show or movie do you find yourself quoting all the time?

SPEAKER_00

Oh. Um, I find myself not quoting all the time, but quite a bit, uh, any of the old Pink Panther movies. Yeah. Uh I find myself quoting uh phrases from the 30s and 40s, but they're they're not they're not lines really. They're just, you know, the way they talked back then, see. Say, Mister, you know, everybody would start a sentence with say. Uh, or um, so I found myself quoting that a lot. Um, and many, many movies I find myself quoting and TV shows and plays. Look at look at this answer. I you know what? I do uh I quote things a lot, but I paraphrase horribly, horribly. So but the but the feeling is right. The the the uh the meaning still comes through. Uh which one I could point to right now and say that I say that a lot. Um I can't think of any right now, but I promise you they're they're all in my head living quite vividly. But they need that that that feeling to you know propel to springboard them so they come out of my mouth.

SPEAKER_01

I love that. Yeah, yeah. My brain's just filled with show and movie quotes that I just reference in any conversation.

SPEAKER_00

Wonderful. That's super, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you. Yeah, and just also scenes I reference that like nobody understands, but I can't stop laughing when I reference them. So but most people don't understand them. Um so I just uh have um one final question for you. Um today, what are you most grateful for?

SPEAKER_00

Today I'm grateful to sit down and have this conversation with you. And uh I'm grateful for the snow that we had last night, and I'm grateful that my my family is healthy, and uh I'm grateful I get to do a play tonight. Or no, I can't say that because we've Oh that's okay. Is that okay? Yeah, I don't and I'm gr I'm grateful for that. And I'm grateful for I'm grateful that my wife is able to be here with me and uh we can you know have snowball fights.

SPEAKER_01

Oh I love that. Yeah. Oh I'm jealous that you got snow.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, we got a there was a big dump a little while ago, uh maybe three or four days ago, and then we got more last night, but the sun is out, so that's nice. Where where are you right now?

SPEAKER_01

I'm in Colorado.

SPEAKER_00

That's right, that's right. I did a pla I did a two plays at the Denver Center Theater Company.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Are you near Denver?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I that's um downtown for me, but yeah, uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the the 16th Street Mall, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

They have a trolley. Love Colorado.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um I love your I love your room.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you. Bless you. Thank you. Yeah, I actually have a white collar poster hanging out.

SPEAKER_00

I see that.

SPEAKER_01

I see that. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, it's um that is like one white collar is one of those shows that can like completely turn off my brain if I'm like spiraling with anxiety. I turn on white collar and my brain just shuts off.

SPEAKER_00

So oh, that's terrific.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. So so thank you. That show is has been like a lightsaber.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's that makes me so happy. You you don't what what we do, we don't know who we touch when we do what we do. Uh same as you. I mean, you've asked me great questions, and and they've made me really uh reflect. And and I'm gonna be very reflective and pensive for a good part of the day, but in a good way. And uh it's because of you and your questions.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, thank you.

unknown

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you. I I just I can't tell you what a dream come true. This is to talk with you. I actually um just really quickly, I also wanted to tell you a couple years ago. Um, so I love writing um song lyrics, and a couple years ago, a friend of mine who's a musician, she helped me. I wrote a song about white collar, and so she put it to music, she like record recorded it, and we uh released it.

SPEAKER_00

So send me the email. So uh email to me. I'd love to hear it.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, I will. Yeah, I would love to hear what you think.

SPEAKER_00

So I so look forward to that.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you. I will I I will email you right after um uh we log off so I don't forget.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

So all right, good. Well, um, yeah, thank you so much for joining me today. I can't tell you how much this means to me to be talking with you. It's just a dream come true. So thank you.

SPEAKER_00

Well, thank you, Maya. Uh you you know, the George Newbern did uh we talked about George before, and he he said, I I recommend you do you gotta do it. She's great. But it certainly wasn't George who who made me do this because I don't I I do not take his advice. For everybody to listen. If I can say one thing, don't listen to George Newbern. If I can come away with one thing from this interview, and you as well, don't listen to George Newburn. But he did. He said this was great. And he wasn't he wasn't lying. It is. And and I I'll I'll come back anytime.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you. I would love to talk with you again whenever you want to come back on.

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You got it.

SPEAKER_01

You got it. Thank you so much. And I hope you have a great rest of your day.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you, Maya. You as well. You as well.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you. Thank you. And that's a wrap on today's edition of The Latest to Admire.