"Stumble" Creators Jeff Astrof and Liz Astrof | The Latest With Maya

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

It's a nice.

SPEAKER_02 0:11

Hi Jeff and Liz. Welcome to The Latest with Maya. Jeff and Liz Astroff are brother and sister, and they're the writers and executive producers of the NBC show Stumble. Liz also created the show Pivoting, and Jeff created the show Trial and Error and co-created the show Shining Veil. Jeff, I'm so excited to be talking with you again. And Liz, I'm so excited to meet you. Thank you both so much for joining me.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

Is this the first time this is the first time you met, Maya?

SPEAKER_04 0:50

Yes, because I wasn't I was invited to go.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

I saw the pictures. Is is such a staple in my life, it's hard to imagine.

SPEAKER_04 0:59

Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:00

Yes, of course.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Oh, how did you guys meet? I uh it was a couple years ago. I reach I reached out to um Jeff uh to interview him, and he must have been very happy.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

I was extremely happy, mostly because I looked, she's like, these are some of the I was like, oh, this is just like another whatever, like a college kid or something, a high school kid. And like and no, but then I looked at all the people she's interviewed, I was like, Oh, I'm not worthy at all of being on this list. I was like, you must have reached the bottom of her. You must have been alphabetically in reverse, because Maya has uh has interviewed a lot of very, very big actors and writers and producers. But um, I'm it's a very big honor. When you see who she's interviewed, you'll you'll be like, I can't believe we did that.

SPEAKER_04 1:49

Wow, I'm so excited and embarrassed for you mostly. Yeah, she's not really recording any of this. Well, I'm very honored.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Not kidding up.

SPEAKER_04 2:06

Thank you. Thanks, Maya, for reaching the bottom of the barrel. We're done with our insults to ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

We're at the top of the barrel right now. Yeah. Lucky to have us.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

Yes, I am extremely lucky to be talking with you. So thank you. Thank you. Um, so what is the um greatest lesson you have learned from a character you've written?

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Oh, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_04 2:39

Oh, I'll say, because the actor learned this as well. Um, Georgie Murphy said that um the way that her character handles, you know, horror and trauma and kind of lets everything roll off her back and says it with a smile is something that I've kind of learned from that character to, you know, not trauma and stuff like that, but just kind of let things roll roll off my back, or at least aspire to a little bit more. Go ahead, Jeff. Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Um that's really great. That's what a great question. No one's ever asked that. So you said I think Liz, that's such a good point. How uh how the character of of uh of Sally copes.

SPEAKER_04 3:27

Well, she said to me at the end of the year, she said, I hope that I can take a little bit of Sally with me when I worry about things.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

It's very funny because I always talk to I always my wife kind of gives me a hard time of this. I address the actors as the characters' names, like, oh Sally's.

SPEAKER_03 3:41

Oh, me too. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Um, because they really embody, especially with Stumble, they really, really embod embody these uh these characters. But um I would say um I would like to think from Courtney, uh just learning to be fearless and really um fearless, but also like uh being able to be humbled in in a way and and keep your keep your self-worth even after you're humbled, keep your ambition, keep your eye on the prize, but also to be open to be kind of proven wrong and to be able to adapt adaptability. I think Courtney's a great character in that way.

SPEAKER_04 4:18

Yeah, that's true. I like to change mine. No, but also with her um her ability to get sucked into something like the violinist and you know, uh all that stuff. Like, you know, she can't she really can't doubt that Ms. Dodd is a good roller skater. She kind of has to give it to her, and same with Augusta Schlimm and the clarinet, and you know, all of that.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

It's very she's she's very like she's very honest with herself. I love that. Like yeah, like she knows herself very, very well, which is really great. That that she has she has a confidence but also like a vulnerability when she realizes she's screwed up, and and yeah, I think that's really great. That's great.

SPEAKER_04 4:58

Yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

I guess all of them kind of sorry, why I guess all of them.

SPEAKER_04 5:05

I mean, Peaches is a really good criminal.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Yeah. Yeah. I yeah, one of my favorite scenes was in uh it was in one of the first episodes where Peaches steals um Sally's car and says she um thought there was just a serial killer after and she's like, I probably should have told her.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

But I think that was a uh a turning point for Taylor in terms of how she did that, how she kind of like threw away that line. I think like she's the this is an actress who's never been really never been on camera before for anything bigger than probably like a high school or a college thing. Like she didn't know, like the first time like we saw her, like she didn't teach you how to do camera at Juilliard, like you know, it's like you're just an actor, you're a theater actor, and and here's somebody who like really embodied this character so well, and and from her growth from beginning to end is remarkable to me as a as a performer. And I thought like that what I made me laugh so much was she kind of like like her like the way she rolled her eyes at the end of that, like was so good. I was like, oh, she's really getting it. She's getting comedy and getting like really kind of internalizing it in the character, and it's so so much fun to watch. I mean, all of them had I think all of them had like real growth across the season, but I I think she who really we snatched her right out before even she graduated.

SPEAKER_04 6:38

For graduation, yeah. And um do you want to tell that story?

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Oh gosh, that was graduation story. We were so we were given one job was to tell her the actor when we told we all called all we called both the act, all the actors to tell them like they got the job, and we were given one job, and that was just not to tell her that she had to miss her graduation.

SPEAKER_04 7:01

I saw the text as she got the part, um miss missing graduation, because I was like, in my I don't I have ADD missing graduation.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

You must have just seen her you're sorry, and instead of saying don't tell her because we were on the phone and we're like we left the message. You're like, hey, just want to let you know you got the part. And Liz is like, sorry you have to miss graduation. And I'm like, what are you doing? Like what? It's like the whole point was not to tell her, you're like, what are you talking about? I didn't listen to the whole message. So Liz and I are getting to this whole conversation.

SPEAKER_04 7:35

We got into a whole back and forth about it on her email, on her voicemail.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

Like, what do we do? What do we do? Like, she's gonna lose all control, she's gonna lose all the stuff anyway. So, like, what do we do? What do we do? And Liz is like, I don't know, maybe press star.

SPEAKER_04 7:51

And it's like we waited, we waited for it to say.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

Oh, you said like press star to find out like what to do, and it's like, what if it sends it? You like just do it. So I press star. It's like beat. If you're satisfied with your message, press one.

SPEAKER_04 8:04

Oh, don't press no.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Don't press one, don't press one. It was like diffusing a bomb. Like, and then we finally got the two, which was like, um, you know, if you'd like to re-record your message. So I was like, just like holding my hand. And then the ultimate message we left was congratulations, you got oh my god, that's so I kind of wish I kind of wish it went through now, knowing you know Oh my god, Jeff like our banter and stuff, so funny. And I have such a minute and a half long argument on her voicemail.

SPEAKER_04 8:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:44

So yeah, she's amazing. Does that answer your question?

SPEAKER_04 8:51

Yes. What character do we learn the most from? Is that what was that the question? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Oh that yeah, I I love Taylor. I love the whole cast of Stumble. It was so fun to be able to hang out with them on stuff.

SPEAKER_04 9:11

They really are their characters, they really embody them, like Jeff said.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Um and and also they are, you know, I mean, I I I hope we always we kept saying, you know, we we tried to because they're so young and they're so new and so frustrated. Like our idea was to get, you know, it's like putting together a baseball team, like where you get like you get your veterans in there. We have our Chris Cheddar with we have Taryn, and you get like people who kind of are familiar faces, like you know, who are great actors like Jen. And then it's all like newbies, really. And and you know, we really hope that we said, Liz and I always said, Liz, like, I hope we're doing this long enough that they become monsters.

SPEAKER_04 9:50

I said that to them. But like you guys love each other so much. I really hope we're on the air long enough that none of you will come out of your dressing room before the other views.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

So, yeah, hours to get them, Georgia Diva. So I haven't gotten there. I don't know if they will get there. They're so sweet and so like you know, we're waiting now. But they love pick up and we're just none of them have been like we've been here before, they haven't been here, so it's like it's all new territory for them. Everything they're doing, and and they even like you know give a spoiler alert for those of you who have not watched Stumble Yet now, available on Peacock, but like when you know the episodes to see who Peacock is better, um, to see who makes the mat, they were really cheering for each other, and there were episodes where they really cried like and they I was like, they know it's fake, right?

SPEAKER_04 10:39

It's like and Dalston, our choreographer, he cried, and then um Monica, who we never thought could cry. I mean, she's I was a mess.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

I always cry, so it was easy.

SPEAKER_04 10:51

Yeah, we cried at the finale when we were filming it at the finale. Oh god, I didn't think I was gonna cry, and then I looked at Monica and I she did not cry, and I just started crying. It was such an amazing experience, and it really was incredible.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

Yeah, it was nice. You you felt like you're going along for the ride as kids.

SPEAKER_04 11:11

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

Um so I am um uh pop culture obsessed and going stages of shows that I cannot stop watching. Uh is there a show that you are currently obsessed with?

SPEAKER_04 11:33

Love is blind.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

Oh, that's so funny. Um you have lots of Go ahead. Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 11:43

They're just such, they're so ridiculous. And it love is not blind. Like they prove it every single season that love is not blind.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

Aren't isn't everybody really good looking on that show though?

SPEAKER_04 11:53

No, no, no, they're like nor that's the thing, is like when you open up the big reveal of who the person is, and the best is when you see like, oh, and then they do a confessional that they know the other one's gonna see where they're like, She's not really my type.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

I mean, you know, she's like I usually go for girls that like you know aren't that, and you know, it's pretty well no, I thought the first season was like a lot of like good-looking drunk people, but maybe maybe no. That you think you have Love Island, but we used to play Love Island, yeah. No, I don't watch that.

SPEAKER_04 12:23

No, Jeff. That's like so that's trash.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Okay, but I think Maya meant like Love and Blind is like uh higher.

SPEAKER_04 12:32

She meant a scripted show, but I love Love Story.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

Oh, really? I haven't seen that. And um I can't watch uh that there's too many people I have too many. I've been doing this too long that I have I have to watch only foreign shows because I have a gripe against just about everybody in America now who I've worked against. Um, but like I don't know, there's not there's not like a scripted show. The less scripted show I watched. I just finished with uh my wife, which we really liked was um how to get to heaven from Belfast.

SPEAKER_03 13:07

Oh my gosh show.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Yeah, that was really I think that was really, really, really good and really, really, really specific. I love the show Slow Horses when it's on. Um it goes too fast, the seasons go too fast. I could, you know, digest that. But right now there's not, you know, there's no succession.

SPEAKER_04 13:25

I loved White Lotus so much. Succession, White Lotus, White Lotus, I kind of hate Bad Sisters. I loved.

SPEAKER_03 13:32

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:33

Um yeah, but there hasn't been anything like that to really get into. What about you?

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Uh I mean there's a lot that I've been um obsessed with. I recently watched um a show on Amazon Prime called 56 Days or Prime Video. Um with actually I had no idea that Georgie Murphy was in it, but she was Oh no way. Oh no way! It's about 56 Days? Yeah. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

What what is it?

SPEAKER_02 14:13

Uh it's based on a book. It's um it's really good. It's about um this uh relationship. These uh uh it's with Dove Cameron and Avan Jogaya. Um, I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name correctly, but um it's yeah, it's kind of about their relationship. Um that it's like a rocky relationship through 56 days, and then it ends with this crime scene that you're trying to figure out who is um like who died.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

And oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Um, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:59

I love that. Instead of who done it, it's like who got it did done to. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? Um, before I forget, I there's this so if you saw Adolescence, which I also said for me. It's very sad, but I like that. But it um I like a lot of true crime also. Chloe, the woman who played the psychologist in Adolescence, who I was obsessed with. Um, there's a show called Chloe, and it's from a while ago that she's the lead in on Amazon, on Amazon Prime. It's very good. Um, and also, yeah, I'm trying to think of the other the other things that I really got into that I was um um all her fault, which I couldn't tell if it was brilliant or terrible.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

Yes, I agree.

SPEAKER_04 15:48

Yeah, so yeah, there's nothing else. There's no breaking bad, there's no Ozark. Those are all the shows I was like addicted to. Sorry, what? I'm gonna watch 56 Days.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

Yeah, and Stumble on Peacock.

SPEAKER_04 16:07

Yes. English teacher was very good. What show? English teacher, that's what Jen was on before. Yeah, and my husband worked on that show. Yeah, I recommend that. Hulu and Peacock, and stumble on peacock. How many times can we say stumble on peacock?

SPEAKER_02 16:27

I'll I'll keep a a tab of how many times. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 16:31

Not enough.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

Not enough. Yeah, I um I'm also obsessed with uh the pet.

SPEAKER_04 16:39

Um yeah, that's what my one of my friends is in that. Um, I need to watch that. She has red hair, she's a nurse. Leslie Boone. Oh yeah, she's great.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

I I started watching that, but my father, my Shawnee, my wife spent a lot of time, was spending a lot of time with her dad, who was in a hospital, so that got uh put on hold. So um hopefully we can get back to that. But yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_04 17:07

I love that you watch TV together. Todd and I don't watch anything together because we can only watch together.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

She watches a lot of stuff. She watches like Bridgerton and stuff that that I won't watch.

SPEAKER_04 17:18

But I watch Um In My Bed and also I rewind everything every four seconds. It's partially ADD, but it's partially like I want to see it again. So I go back if I'm watching something like succession. I need I can't watch anything through. I'm impossible. And then also I'm like, I don't get it. I don't get it. What'd she say? I don't get it. And I always ask a question of like who's she? And they answer it one second later. I'm impossible. No one wants to watch anything with me.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

And that's what we have to watch. Shawnee, Shawnee doesn't hear great, so thank God. Um, so we always have the subtitles on, and it's very annoying.

SPEAKER_04 17:54

I do anyway, with English shows and British shows. With British shows for sure, yeah, Irish, British, all of them. But I won't watch something that's French. Because then I'm reading the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

So yeah, I just can't keep up with uh when it's a foreign show, I can't keep up with the subtitles. So then it gets frustrating when I try to watch it because then I miss something because I can't keep up with what they're saying.

SPEAKER_04 18:24

It's very definitely but if you pause, it goes over the subtitle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

They haven't that they haven't figured out the technology, basically.

SPEAKER_04 18:37

Then I wind up going out of the app, and then I find myself I'm just it it's it's it's a mess.

SPEAKER_03 18:43

It's a mess.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

Yeah. Um so if there's a disagreement about something you're writing, how do you um resolve the conflict?

SPEAKER_01 19:01

Uh we sticker storm off, get passive aggressive, come back and fight and hug, and then we usually go with whatever Liz pitched that I said no to initially.

SPEAKER_04 19:11

That's we uh yeah, we had there's a lot of we've really come a long way this year. There's a lot of like me becoming this the dumb little sister in my head, and then you know, he's the smarter older brother, and then there's all that stuff of like that's in my head too. I know.

unknown 19:27

No.

SPEAKER_04 19:28

Well we do it's sort of we regress so much, and then yeah, and we have the same, you know, every Wednesday we used to get into a big argument.

SPEAKER_01 19:35

But I I think it's just like I think we we tried. I mean, by the way, it's with with any part with so much luck. Yes, it's always with love and always respect. But we we it's it's like any any partnership is like you know, you you have to separate what's like ego and what is best for the show. But we we we if there's something if there's a fundamental agreement that somebody feels like absolutely not, then we don't do it, and then we find a different way.

SPEAKER_04 19:57

There's just a there's a million different ways to there are things, there's a million different ways to argue, but we a lot of times I'll say, I'll die on that hill. Like Jeff's like, you are dead on so many hills.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

The hills are scattered with Liz's body. Um no, but there's certain things, but that's that's kind of a thing. And like for me, it's always like I think the best but the best idea always wins, I think for both of us. And there's usually a way to do it. If there's a real fundamental difference in stuff, then we'll talk it out, and then there's usually a compromise, or if there's not, then we can't do something that both of us aren't on board with. It's just impossible. Yeah, and we are always better together, so um, we always figured it out we figured out, or you know, if there's if there's an issue, you know, we could also bring it to the room and say without saying I think this and Liz is wrong about this, but like just say this is a way, and then we'll find a different way.

SPEAKER_04 20:43

There's you know, it's I'm so passive aggressive, and I also roll my eyes and think that you can't see me.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

So I'm like I didn't see I I didn't see the passive. You just know it's no, you're like you're sitting.

SPEAKER_04 20:54

Oh, yeah, that's true. Same both of us, but also this year our schedule was so insane that we had to divide. I mean, there's so no one could do the show alone, and it's so great to do it with someone that you know you're not gonna damage your relationship by being like, shut up, Jeff. But um, but also we had to divide and conquer and everything. And at the end, it was like we were on a conveyor belt, we were on the conveyor belt, and all these things were piling up on us, and we just have to divide, like we we did we divide.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Yeah, we just know that we'll we'll do it, and I'll take a pass at something, and Liz will send me something, I'll take a pass at it, and then you know, Liz will tweak it or vice versa. And yeah, it's just we trust. I mean, there were there were whole claw things that Liz is like, I'm doing this, you know, I'm doing this scene or something. I'm like, send it in. I don't need to see it's we both had the we we both got to. I mean, that that's also like a a degree of trust that you have to earn over fifty plus years, but like um, you know, it's it you you I I think we had a good mechanism. I mean, any anytime. Look, there are famously partnerships that don't talk to each other and Some shows. Yeah, we don't want to do that. Because it's it gets it's it's very, very intense. It's like it's people like, oh, it must be fun, you must be laughing all day. And there's a lot of laughing, but there's the schedule is is really there's so much pressure, and you have to be you have to be on the spot creative, which is very, very difficult. I spend most I don't I think you know we've been off now really for about three weeks since we rapped, and I this is I don't think yeah, I don't I don't think I don't think I've spent more than cumulatively 40 minutes standing. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 22:36

It's so weird to go from that. Well, then when we we could not wait until December 23rd when we had been wrapped, and then the minute we rapped we were crying. No, I know so yeah, and then editing, I was like, Thank God we still have editing, but now that like editing is done, and my husband is the post producer and he brought home all the stuff from his office. And Jeff, we have a suppository, a framed suppository picture in our bathroom.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

That's oh, that's so good.

SPEAKER_04 23:00

That's yeah, if you want me to Todd Todd had it made.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Yes, I would love to have a copy of that. Um, but yeah, but like it's um, you know, there has to be there has to be mechanisms. There's no set way, but again, I think in general, you know, the best idea way wins, and and also like the understanding not to take it personally and that we both want what's best for the show. And you know, and right now we're focused on getting a season two, so we're all we're lockstep on that's our purpose and that's our goal. And we don't have the luxury really to disagree that hard now.

SPEAKER_04 23:31

That's the thing, is we never we really didn't when it got down to the wire, and it was like, you know, you'll handle one episode, I'll handle another. And we were always working the entire time, like we'd be on set for 14 hours, and then we'd have to go back to the hotel and be up for another three working and then be in the van. It was just there's no time to, we were just fully moving ahead. There was no time we had to steamroll. But also, people have said, I worked on trial and error season two, and one of the writers who we have on Stumble said that it was what like watching Mrs. Mazel at our end of the table. Like they heard, but people have said like they should have we should we are the show, like people love watching us in action, so it's an exhausting show. It's exhausting, it's exhausting, but it is is for us for the actors. I'm glad we make people laugh. They're dysfunctional codependence.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, Jessica already knows this, but my family and I quote and reference trial and error all the time. Um, yeah, my mom just did it earlier today. Um, yeah, and I will I was re-watching, like I re-watch trial and error and pivoting all the time. So thank you.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

Yes, that is uh yeah. The first the firstborn shows of people, they were always the it's like your first dog that's your password for everything.

SPEAKER_04 24:57

All your passwords.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 24:59

Also with um trial and error. I mean, that was such a we got to like I was on season two, like I said, but we had to come up with a murder kind of backwards. And we had to come up with what happened, and then we have to come up with how to solve it kind of. It was it was crazy, it was backwards, but you really have to come up with a murder and come up with how to solve it. And it's like clocks and the mirror, and like oh, it's crazy. And it's a bunch of like comedy writers coming up with a murder.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

But yeah, it's it's very fun. But you know, in the same way that we have fun, like there's different challenges in this show, and and you know, this is this is definitely a brother-cousin of trial and error.

SPEAKER_04 25:39

This show it's an brother cousin and a sister cousin, but it's got like the greatest thing, one of the greatest things is that it has, which was my goal from the beginning, is to have a marriage that we're not worried about, like Coach Taylor and Tammy and Friday Night Lights, but a comedy that people, the audience is never worried that like their parents are gonna break up. Um, and then it was compared to that. So that's nice. So next year fighting. Yeah, we try the other way next season.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_04 26:11

But they love each other.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Yeah, they all play last night.

SPEAKER_04 26:14

Did you know that?

SPEAKER_01 26:15

What's that?

SPEAKER_04 26:16

They went to a play last night.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

Oh, they were going out to dinner with them tonight.

SPEAKER_04 26:19

I know they went to see uh spam a lot last night. Oh, yeah, yeah. She comes to LA and oh well, he lives here. Okay, never mind.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Does that answer your question?

SPEAKER_04 26:33

Yes, I forget what question I asked. I I don't even I don't remember. That's what I do. I'm just sorry that you have to miss graduation.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

So I think that answered my question. Uh so when you're creating something new, how do you balance each of your individual ideas and make sure everyone's voices are heard?

SPEAKER_01 27:08

I think we said I think it's the same as the other questions.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

Did I already ask this question?

SPEAKER_01 27:14

No, you know, you but you asked about the resolving differences. It's the same thing. We both we both want, you know, I think we have there's certain there's certain different priorities, I think, that we have in doing it. But overall, the the you know, like Liz said, like, you know, Liz was very one of the hills she you could find her body on is the you know, the the Boone Courtney relationship, which is really important, and uh and the cheer and stuff. And like, so I think we each have things that we love to write to, but overall, we both want to know what the tone is, and we both, you know, I think we both find each other to be very funny.

SPEAKER_04 27:47

And and we had so much fun writing the pitch. And Jeff, do your when we were writing the script, Jeff would do his um his Southern Texas out. We would both do a Southern, we would do like Courtney's accent, and he sounded like Miss Twitz.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Sound like Mrs. Dappa. I thought I sounded exactly like a southern me too.

SPEAKER_04 28:04

Y'all don't know the difference between, but we were it was so funny.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

But we but we we're very supportive of our ideas on the other.

SPEAKER_04 28:10

Yeah, we made each other laugh so much, and we're always better together. I mean, we we it was hard, it's hard to do, and it's hard to come up with stories and all that stuff, and we're always like, no, whenever anybody asks us to come up with like a pitch or a story, we're like, no, we're not doing it, and then we immediately do it.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

But but also uh we we we had really good writers, amazing writers. We're we're we had a lot of great upper level writers who really for the most part really just got behind us in whatever direction we said, like we did. They just rode and they came up with new ideas and new. I mean, you you really need you need a strong writing staff. I I don't know how people do it without that, but we couldn't have done it without yeah, we had a really smart writing staff.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Also, we which I don't think you'd done before as much, but I'm very into like dividing and conquering, so I would always split rooms, and then when I was there, we would split rooms.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

Yeah, no, I did that. I always split rooms. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:05

So never mind. We like to split rooms because we trust them.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

And it's just easier with a smaller group of people too, then you don't have to worry about you know, people tend to talk a little more when they're in a smaller room, and and you know, sometimes uh, you know, sometimes especially you get a quiet writer who in a small room really excels and the big room doesn't. It's it's it's interesting. Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 29:30

This is why I'm sitting up too long.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

I've been this is really I really gotta move the laptop over my head. So no, I'm just I I'm just exhausted all the time. It could be the incredible amount of caffeine I have and then crash from.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

So still in production mode.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

Um so uh what is the best advice you have ever gotten?

SPEAKER_04 30:00

Don't go into show business.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

Yes. Um don't be an a-hole I got when I was 10 years old from my dad. That's true. Um, and as good advice. I I've said this before so many times in terms of the best advice, and I always quote this is my friend Danny Kaufman, who's a filmmaker, said, A's hire A's and B's hire C's. Like you really want to hire great people. There's some people, and I think Liz, you've seen it too. Like, if a showrunner is not good, a lot of times because the ego gets in the way, they'll hire people who are not as good as they are, so they could feel important. But if you feel good about what you can do, then you hire people who are as good at their jobs as you are as yours, and even better, like it's great to have somebody in the room. If you don't have to do all the work, if you can have to come up with the funniest thing, that's great. So I I think if you you have the confidence to hire people who are as good or better than you, I think that's such great advice. Because you you look it's our show at the end of the day, it's you know, our names on everything. That's why when people say, Oh, I love that script that so-and-so did, it's like, well, everything goes through Liz and me. And then every yeah, if we really didn't like the script, then we say, Well, that was them. Um, no, but we also say, like, if somebody said, I've had people say, Ah, they really didn't like that. I thought that script was, I was like, if you insult the script, you're insulting Liz and me.

SPEAKER_03 31:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

Praise the script, you're praising Liz and May.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

I guess he wrote it.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

It's just, yeah, no, but it's just it's it's ownership, it's having ownership, but also hiring incredible people.

SPEAKER_04 31:36

Yeah. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, any advice I've probably gotten from you, Jeff. Um, but I've never gotten. I just think I've learned from past experiences. I've worked on a lot of toxic sets and with a lot of people who were not decisive. So I think decisiveness and pick a road and go down it, and also a kind collaborative set, because that's everything. I mean, you know, so that's what we go. I mean, we have the mo that's the nicest thing.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

Yeah, it's a you saw you saw you were on set for our show. It's just really, it is I would say it's like a family, but no one's family is that nice, you know. I mean it's like yeah, that's supportive.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

It's a very functional family, but we hope we're on long enough that it's not. Yeah, we're praying for a season, we're working very hard for a season two.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

Yeah, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a season. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

We are too. We're we're cautiously uh optimistic. Yes, we are.

SPEAKER_02 32:37

Yeah, which is anyway. Yeah. Um, so is there someone who without fail always makes you laugh? On the show? Just yeah, and I mean whoever comes to mind first.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

I'm I'm trying to think. I'm I'm like a gigantic like Woody Allen fan. Whenever I watch it.

SPEAKER_04 33:07

Oh, me too.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Should we say when I it's okay to say say Woody Allen, Bill Cosby. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 33:17

Um, those are the people who model your life after.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

Oh, oh, right, different question. No, I think like watching old watching. Yeah, I mean, yeah, watching old TV is always just crushes me. But I I always like I I love watching like old Woody Allen stuff. It's just old 100% of the time makes me laugh.

SPEAKER_04 33:38

It's just so for me enthusiasm, like I was cackling on a plane watching that. And also, like I never watched Seinfeld because I was working, so over the pandemic, I watched that. Um and yeah, but a lot of like old sitcoms. I used to laugh so loud that my parents said, you know what, you're gonna make a really good member of a studio audience someday.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

Aim high. Yeah, I mean, uh, yeah, we grew up on TV, the honeymooners always make me laugh.

SPEAKER_04 34:11

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Yes, still holds up.

SPEAKER_04 34:13

I mean, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

By the way, also, uh, what's his name? Nate Bergazi. Uh always. I mean, it's stuff that's curated on the internet, but it oh, he always makes me laugh. I like, I love his I love his comedy. I like Shane Gillis. I like Louis CK. I guess maybe you're allowed to like him again. I'm not sure, but he has some really funny bets.

SPEAKER_04 34:34

Jeff, you're naming every single every every felon.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

Every felon makes me laugh.

SPEAKER_04 34:43

Every felon.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

Um Jen Lyon always cracks me up.

SPEAKER_04 34:48

Cracks me up. They all do. I mean, they all of them. Ryan proposes.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Yeah, like Ryan, Jen, and and Taryn are always on and always super funny. Like watching them kind of like get to a scene is uh it's you can't not laugh. Just the the what they add to it is great. I mean, all the cast is, but yeah, just comedic genius. And and as far as I can tell, none have committed any terrible social offenses.

SPEAKER_04 35:20

So that's let's hope we're on long enough that we you can't say that. Yeah, um, yeah, so but all those old movies like Airplane, Naked Gun, all that stuff, they still I will fall off on the couch laughing.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

Every time that comes on, yes. Yeah, so anything that's just like unjust unapologetically funny.

SPEAKER_04 35:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

Yeah. Um so if you um could choose anyone to narrate your life, um, who would you choose and why?

SPEAKER_01 36:03

Um I probably uh probably Howard Cosell, an old uh oh my god, that made us laugh so hard.

SPEAKER_04 36:12

I narrated my book.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

You narrated. So Liz narrate your own book. Um I mean that's a great question.

SPEAKER_04 36:20

I think Yeah, it's a really good question.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

I mean, I like the um I just like Harry Cosell because it's a no, you don't even know the reference.

SPEAKER_04 36:28

But um who would I want to narrate?

SPEAKER_01 36:33

Maybe the guy from um a Christmas story, like I'd like it to be that kind of uh sweet and uh uh yeah, that's such a good question.

SPEAKER_04 36:44

Because I was gonna be like Carol Burnett, back in like whatever, like that's like so old, but like that's a really good question.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

Yeah, I don't know. I don't hear I hear my own like Den Lion.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

That's why I want to narrate my life.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

So Southern though. Um, I don't know, you need somebody like serious and and uh that's true, compassionate, but then also funny. That's what that's why I like how it goes out because it would just be like as a sports documentary. My life is not a sports documentary, so I think it would be kind of funny. That's actually really funny to put the pace of the sports documentary on my very non-athletic life.

SPEAKER_04 37:24

Very funny. That's very funny. Um yeah, I guess Jen is uh is out.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

Jen has such a great listenable voice.

SPEAKER_04 37:32

She's so you know what I would like my Southern 20 Monica.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

Yeah. Monica narrated her book.

SPEAKER_04 37:43

Um, so but yeah, I narrated mine.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

So she was a little stiffer on her book than she was in person. In person, she's yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04 37:51

You always are though. You're always more stilted, and yeah, I have that voice, which I hate that I do when I narrate things or read them out loud. It's like I it's awful. But anyway.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

Oh, just because you have to listen to your own voice, though. Oh no, you have a nice voice though.

SPEAKER_04 38:08

It's the worst. I hear myself like day to nah, day to nah in my post. I just you know, I don't love my voice. Um, yeah, that's a really good question.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

No one loves your voice, Liz. Okay, so what else?

SPEAKER_04 38:22

So what else? What other cancel people?

unknown 38:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

I I think I I would love um.

SPEAKER_04 38:33

I was gonna ask you.

SPEAKER_02 38:35

I think Greece wear those things.

SPEAKER_04 38:38

Oh that's good. That's really good. Okay, Jennifer Aniston. I'm just going through.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

I like I like Sharon Horgan's voice a lot, except when she was giving me notes.

SPEAKER_04 38:56

But that's what she called you a wanker. No, what did she call you?

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Nothing that we're gonna say on the show. On my room, give my give Maya's uh show a PG 13 rating. I don't think she needs that.

SPEAKER_04 39:08

Yeah, no, forget it.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

For family audiences.

SPEAKER_04 39:12

That's a good one, Rhys Witherspoon.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

That's really good.

SPEAKER_02 39:15

Thank you. Yeah, thank you. I've always wanted my life to be uh rom-com, so I think she is the queen of rom-com.

SPEAKER_04 39:24

So yeah, that's perfect. You know, I watched, oh god, I'm gonna seem so old, but always on airplanes I watch either Harry Metzally or love or Jerry Maguire, and both of those movies are perfect movies and they hold up.

SPEAKER_02 39:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

Except except except Jerry Maguire was just like, well, he's not gonna want he's not gonna be with her forever. Oh, you ain't now. Then he is at the end.

SPEAKER_04 39:50

Spoiler alert.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

I know that, but I'm saying, like, Jerry just because he made a lot of money, that's why we wound up Renee Zellway. Like, you couldn't imagine those characters, like oh, yes, you can, Jeff.

SPEAKER_04 40:01

Again, you feel it.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

Um, I have to tell you, uh, one sad thing, and that you know the the video that we based the Stevens uh song on, the the uh when the cheerleader who got proposed to yeah, uh oh, they broke up, yeah. Just like I came up again in my feed, and I was like, Oh, this is so sweet. Then the comments were just like uh she cheated on him with a basketball player. He left her with her two kids, they're two infants. No, never read the comments. That's the name of my book. I honestly have a good title for a book.

SPEAKER_04 40:35

But by the way, even on Love is Blind.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

Can you write that down? Yeah, never read the comments. That's the title for my book.

SPEAKER_04 40:41

On Love is Blind, I get really sad when they break up. So spoiler alert I get invested, like Bachelorette, all that stuff I used to watch. Gets too sad for me.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

Oh, the new Bachelorette.

SPEAKER_04 40:54

Oof. No scandalosity. Okay, never read the comments. I wrote it down, Jeff.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

Never read the comments. That's a good title.

SPEAKER_04 41:04

Yeah, okay. Mine is I swim in pants.

SPEAKER_02 41:11

Right over. Um well uh since you were mentioning when um Harry met Sally and Jerry McGuire, I was gonna ask if you've ever seen um Reese's movie Home Again. No, should I watch that today? Yes.

SPEAKER_04 41:32

I was gonna clear my decks.

SPEAKER_02 41:34

Oh yay, I wanna hear what you think. I've seen it like I think over What's it called Home Again?

SPEAKER_04 41:43

Home Again.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

Yeah, home again.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

Who's with it with her with it?

SPEAKER_02 41:46

And it's uh Reese Witherspoon, um, John Rodnitsky, Pico Alexander, Nat Wolf, Michael Sheen. Well um Candice Bergen.

SPEAKER_04 42:02

Oh, okay. Okay, and Devil Wears Prada 2 is coming out. I really like that's another airplane one, but also you have to see Hail Mary.

SPEAKER_01 42:11

Oh, I have to see Hail Mary, but I have to wait. Caleb's not coming home now till Sunday Monday.

SPEAKER_04 42:16

Okay. Wait, is it he'll be here Monday?

SPEAKER_01 42:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:19

Okay. Great. Yeah, great. I'm so excited to see that. Oh, it's so good.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

All right, no spoilers.

SPEAKER_04 42:27

I can go Monday.

SPEAKER_01 42:28

No spoilers.

SPEAKER_04 42:29

I'm making my kids see it with me because I I saw it again. I'm not gonna see it again. It's so good. It's long, but now they have those seats where you can lie down. Do you have those?

SPEAKER_01 42:39

I would not do, I could not know. There may I'll never sleep in a second.

SPEAKER_04 42:45

It's like watching the movies in business class.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Yeah, that's amazing. That's the best part of running a show is they fly your business class. The only time you get to do it, but then you have to fly like uh a regular person afterwards, and it's sad.

SPEAKER_04 42:59

Yeah, I know. See, I don't like to get used to it. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

Okay, good on Maya. We we've gone off the rails here, as usual.

SPEAKER_04 43:07

I really can't believe my I haven't taken my medicine today.

SPEAKER_02 43:11

Um if you had the opportunity to put a message on a billboard for everyone to see, what would it be?

SPEAKER_01 43:25

I would just say be kind.

SPEAKER_04 43:29

Really? I'm kidding. Yeah. Or like Woody Allen. Yeah, be kind is nice.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

Be kind, like it's too life is too short, you know. Or this too shall pass.

SPEAKER_04 43:39

Like Oh, I like that. This too shall pass.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

Um what was yours, Liz? Um Phoebe stop it.

SPEAKER_04 43:52

Phoebe stop it, my daughter. Um be a girl's girl. Raise up women, other women. Don't be a mean girl.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

Yeah, that's part of the being kind.

SPEAKER_04 44:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:10

No, it's true. It's like the people are terrible.

SPEAKER_04 44:13

Because girls are so mean to girls and women are so mean to women. I Yeah, I can't even tell.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

I'll tell you afterwards, but yes, I agree.

SPEAKER_04 44:20

Yeah, it's horrible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

So as a former man, I can see it now.

SPEAKER_04 44:28

Yeah. You've seen it. You do see it now.

SPEAKER_01 44:31

I see it on both sides.

SPEAKER_04 44:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

So yeah, I um uh another show that I love is um a million little things, and there's a line in um the second episode where one character he says love each other, and that's always stuck with me. So I've always wanted to put that up on a build. Oh, that's perfect. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

Well, that's better than both of ours, so uh yeah, it is great.

SPEAKER_04 45:04

And it says everything actually.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

Yeah, that would stop everything.

SPEAKER_04 45:08

I've never seen that show, but I love that.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

Oh, yeah, it's so good. The series finale still haunts me. It the uh it was so good, and it also broke me.

SPEAKER_01 45:20

So break you, but that was a chance that like getting a chance to do your own series finale is I mean, first of all, it's very rare because I had two unintentional series finales, and um, but when you uh which broke me, but like when you get a chance to write something to the end, like it's such it's such a very difficult. I've never again I've never had the luxury of doing that. Uh yeah, that is interesting how you would end something, but like just to really because people it it's a big swing and there's so much pressure on it. And we were just talking about um, I forgot someone else said some show that did it perfectly. Oh, somebody said the Americans did it perfectly. I disagreed.

SPEAKER_04 46:03

Oh, I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

Oh, the Americans is so good. I love that. That's one of my favorite shows that that we would watch every that we just devoured the Americans. I love the Americans.

SPEAKER_04 46:13

Oh, I should watch that. I probably wouldn't get it. Is there politics in it?

SPEAKER_01 46:16

Yeah, but it's not so hard to follow. Or um, they said that the Americans and Ozark ended perfectly. I disagreed on both.

SPEAKER_04 46:24

I disagree on Ozark. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

Yes, I disagreed. I thought that wasn't great.

SPEAKER_04 46:29

And then Breaking Bad did, I think.

SPEAKER_01 46:32

Breaking Bad, I wish ended a season earlier. I don't I don't like I don't like sad endings. I don't I don't.

SPEAKER_04 46:38

Oh, did that have a sad Ozark had the saddest ending? It was so bad.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

I didn't remember, but I remember that.

SPEAKER_04 46:44

I love that show.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

Like like uh like the one that has the most famous great ending is um Six Feet Under.

SPEAKER_04 46:53

What was that?

SPEAKER_01 46:55

Six Feet Under. Did you watch Six Feet Under?

SPEAKER_04 46:58

No, but what was the ending?

SPEAKER_01 46:59

Oh, spoiler alert. Six Feet Under did like a it was so good, and it did a just a run. The end was just a run and showed how each of them died.

SPEAKER_04 47:08

That's that's right.

SPEAKER_01 47:09

But but and it was about it was what the whole show was about, and it just showed each of their lives what happened after the show in such a beautiful, satisfying way, and you felt like really because you know some of the characters got to live, you know, they they showed like it it was really well thought out.

SPEAKER_04 47:28

Oh, now I want to watch the series.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

You never saw Six Feet Under? Oh Six Feet Under is is uh just about perfect.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

Okay. Oh I have a big I had, yeah, yeah. I thought it was such a common.

SPEAKER_01 47:45

Yeah, of course. That's terrible. That's that's that's that and Seinfeld are like two big fails, I think. I mean Yes.

SPEAKER_04 47:51

How do you think how many TVs got smashed at the end of the Sopranos?

SPEAKER_01 47:56

But he said that's what his point was. He wanted to so mean. Yeah, I mean it's if if you think you're bigger than the show, yeah, then yeah, I think I don't think I'm bigger than the show.

SPEAKER_04 48:10

No, so I hope we're on long enough to have to see how everybody dies.

SPEAKER_02 48:24

Yeah, the um yeah, the five very final line in um uh Millie and Little Things in the series finale also still has always stuck with me because it's something I I thought the line was just really powerful. That's how I'm constantly thinking about it. Oh god, what was it? Oh, love each other? No, that no yeah, that uh the final line is uh one of the characters uh is uh recording a video message. Not gonna spoil anything since you haven't seen it, but he the video he ends it saying, Have a beautiful life. Oh um, and that just has um yeah, always I I am constantly thinking about that.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

You know what they that's amazing. That's a really good way to live too.

SPEAKER_04 49:29

You know what also? Um, they did that in uh Cheers when Diane left. Oh, that was um he she said I'll be back, and he said have a good life because he knew he should she wouldn't be back.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

Yeah, that was terrible. I mean that wasn't terrible, it was a genius. Oh, genius.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

I used it on two broke girls.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Um yes, it was very but yeah, that's good. That's positive. I like uh I like a happy ending, I really do. I think there's enough things that are bad that I I I like to see good things happen.

SPEAKER_04 50:02

Me too. Can't it just have a happy ending? Yeah, my blood board too. Have a happy ending. No, maybe not.

SPEAKER_01 50:09

That sounds like something else.

SPEAKER_04 50:11

Yeah. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:17

Um, so I just uh have one final question for you. Um so today, uh, what are you most grateful for?

SPEAKER_01 50:31

Today, I mean I'm I'm grateful for my family. I I you know I'm grateful to have good kids, a good uh good wife, to work with my sister in a a job I love. And I mean there's so much to be grateful for. I'm I'm grateful it's not bombs flying overhead. I'm grateful for you know just to be able to do this, to talk to you on on Zoom.

SPEAKER_04 50:54

I'm grateful for this because I love that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

Yeah, like we had a great show and that we have a chance to fight for it for another season. I I love that.

SPEAKER_04 51:02

Yeah, we did uh we were working on a pitch this morning for it, and it just was so beautiful to watch like things that fans made and all this stuff, and it made me I'm grateful for all those other things, but today it was like things like this and watching that and all these things in honor of our our little show, yeah, available on peacock to stream the whole season.

SPEAKER_01 51:23

Stream on Peacock now, stream on peacock.

SPEAKER_04 51:27

I think my billboard would say stumble available to stream on peacock, yes, that's what should say, and be nice, you know what would be nice if you stream peacock, then stream, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 51:40

Love each other while watching peacock, watch it with your girlfriends, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:48

I love that together, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:55

Yeah, um well, thank you so much for joining me. I just I just I always love talking with you.

SPEAKER_01 52:06

Oh, likewise. I'm so glad we got to do this. I'm so glad we got to do this with Liz too.

SPEAKER_02 52:10

Yeah, so much fun.

SPEAKER_04 52:11

Thank you so much. Thanks for letting me do it with you guys.

SPEAKER_02 52:15

Thank you. I just I am so happy to meet you, and I've had the best time talking with you. So thank you. I hope I get to meet you.

SPEAKER_01 52:23

Yes, you'll come back to set in New York.

SPEAKER_04 52:26

I hope we're on long enough for you to not want for us to have to beg you to come on to set.

SPEAKER_01 52:33

Yeah, we absolutely don't want to come on set anymore. It's like I've been on set each of the first seven seasons. I'm done.

SPEAKER_04 52:39

Yeah, it's enough ready. The cast is not you've been on so long that the cast won't come out of the dressing rooms. Um, yeah, they're lovely. They're really fun.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

Yeah, I yeah, I'm like I said, keeping my fingers crossed in you, season two.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

We are too.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

Thanks, Maya.

SPEAKER_01 53:02

You'll be one of the first people to know and who gets the invite again.

SPEAKER_04 53:06

Oh, yes, button swag. And that pillow Jarrett Austin Brown had made for us in the background. The stumble Jeff's.

SPEAKER_02 53:17

Yeah, I was looking at that. I was like, I have mine upstairs.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

It's off. That's mine. This is mine. All right, thank you, Maya.

SPEAKER_04 53:33

Maya, this has been so much fun.

SPEAKER_02 53:35

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 53:37

Let us know when it's out.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

Yes, I will. Yes, I I've had the best time, and yeah, I hope you have a great rest of your day. Going for it.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

This is definitely the highlight from now.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

Um thanks, Maya.

SPEAKER_01 53:54

Thanks, Lady.

SPEAKER_02 53:58

Um, and that's a wrap on today's edition of The Latest with Maya.