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(Un)locking: Expressive Arts and Holistic Healing: Awakening Spirituality, Creativity, & Emotional Stability with Lexi Faith
Discover the transformative power of expressive arts and holistic healing with our incredible guest, Lexi Faith, as she shares her unique journey from a creative and spiritual upbringing to becoming an art therapist, yoga teacher, and tantric guide. Lexi recounts how her early exposure to imagination and emotional energy manipulation led to profound spiritual awakenings. She reveals how embracing her spirituality in her twenties and using expressive arts facilitated her sobriety and reprogrammed her subconscious mind. Learn how these practices laid the foundation for her holistic healing approach, intertwining creativity and spirituality.
Explore the intersection of spiritual practices and psychotherapy as Lexi delves into the therapeutic benefits for those grappling with complex trauma and anxiety. She introduces the concept of sadhanas—daily rituals that forge a connection between subconscious intentions and conscious actions, promoting self-trust and emotional regulation. By integrating techniques like Kriyas, movement practices, and expressive arts, listeners can gain insights into regulating their nervous systems and achieving emotional stability. Lexi emphasizes the importance of self-connection, co-regulation with others, and connecting with a higher power to foster resilience and creativity.
Finally, we traverse the depths of intuition, emotional regulation, and altered states of consciousness. Lexi shares how facilitators' energy profoundly impacts group dynamics and the necessity of embracing a full range of emotions for authentic healing. She unpacks the role of intuition in guiding deeper understandings beyond trauma indicators, stressing the significance of working through negative emotions. The episode culminates in discussing the essence of self-awareness in relationships, integrating various aspects of the self, and building an internal guidance system for overcoming trauma and fostering genuine connections. Join us in unraveling the holistic path to emotional stability and creative expression with the wisdom of Lexi Faith.
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The overall thesis of the modality is there's three points of connection. There's your connection with yourself, so self-regulation, knowing who you are, knowing your triggers, knowing your desires, boundaries, et cetera. There's connection with other, that's co-regulation. So in my one-on-one work that's done with me. And then in the group work it's done either with different partners that could become dyads or with me. And then in the group work it's done either with different partners that could become dyads or one with me. And then there's and it's also done like one to many, so there's a different sort of energy that happens when we're working with a group, and then there's one to insert word of your higher power, of your choice.
Speaker 2:So hi everybody. This is man Uncaved Again. My name is Shane Coyle. Welcome to today's episode. I'm loving this discussion, so first let me introduce my guest today. This is Lexi Faith. Lexi Faith is an expression art therapist, yoga teacher, tantric teacher, meditation teacher, reiki masteriki, master and mediumship. Did I get all that? Right, yes, so first let's talk about what really was your first understanding in and this work of tantra meditation, spirituality was always raised in a very like spiritual and creative household.
Speaker 1:My dad went an awakening when I was born so there was a lot of um intellectual conversation and like there was a lot of teachings around various esoteric practices, everything from like wicca to buddhism. He became a buddhist disciple in the shaolin temple when I was a kid and it's been a part of that space my whole life and Tantra, magic I mean astrology everything I really learned from him or the books he had around or the interesting people he had around started doing astrology, I think when I was like seven. Like I would like go to all of these like family not family, but like these like uh, dinner parties they would throw and like just go around getting everybody's birthday and like looking at all the books.
Speaker 2:I love that I went to.
Speaker 1:I grew up in new york city where there I went to specialized arts schools from middle school and high school and you have to like audition to get in and there's a whole process to it and, um, I had always been a visual artist and a writer like that was always there. And then I started dancing. I loved to sing but I was very shy, and I loved performing, but I was very, very shy, and so it took a long time for my teachers to start to see, okay, she has something, and start to give me more opportunities. And then I started to fall in love with acting and dance and music, but I never shared it professionally. But I got into acting and acting actually brought me on a deeply shamanic journey.
Speaker 2:Could you tell us a little bit more about what those practices were to understand, more about what that was like for you?
Speaker 1:The practices that I would learn about how to work with my imagination and the somatic experience and my breath and my voice and my body, and how to use or even like, manipulate the emotions or the energy in my body to express itself a certain way.
Speaker 2:Tell us a little bit more about that and manipulating that emotional energy within your body. I think that's quite interesting.
Speaker 1:I would feel the energy in my body somewhere, I could feel an emotion and I could change my perspective and how the energy was going to be expressed. I thought that every human being on the planet was doing this and I was like a teenager, so I was learning and catching up. I literally didn't know that this was not like a thing that people were doing and it actually launched this whole awakening process for me, really young.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it sounds like you were really young growing up in that, but also the early conditioning it sounds like with dad and being open and having these books. When did you in your life start to really embrace this and really come out with the spiritual closet, if you will?
Speaker 1:I came out of the spiritual closet when I was in my 20s. I definitely didn't tell anyone what was going on. But in this process of what I would do with my emotion and my breath and my body and my voice, and how I could, I learned that I could reprogram my subconscious by repeating things through acting, because you're repeating the lines all the time and the more that you're subconscious, the more the acting can actually come through, more the character.
Speaker 1:And then I learned that that was actually something with NLP it was. It was that much later.
Speaker 2:And so it was really the practice of that, and then all this like modalities kind of fit into this deeper understanding that you already had, kind of the foundation of that.
Speaker 1:Exactly. I got a master's degree in expressive art therapy to essentially validate what I had already learned and understood that had come to me through my own catharsis, using music, dance, acting, writing and illustration or drawing or art. Um, but it was until when I was 24, I went through this. I had shut things down. I had started exploring altered states of consciousness through substances and partying and through like absolutely a whole other part of their way to get there.
Speaker 1:And when I was 24, I think when I was 23 is when I got sober A lot of it was really because my spiritual practice got so serious and I just knew I couldn't do both anymore. I realized that, okay, like maybe I had taken things too far and I was already seeing a lot of my friends in and out of rehab and I could see that, like that path, even with, many of my friends were very creative and have become very successful as creatives, just as many are just as creative and some were even just as successful and ended up overdosing or struggling in and out of rehab. Or I just I was just surrounded by addiction because I started to see that there was this link with creativity and and substances and this I was like well, the arts give us this opportunity to go beyond.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I definitely agree. I think the arts in themselves, creativity really taps into this very subconscious place and within that subconscious it could be this altered states of consciousness. You're tapping into source and all that. Now you mentioned earlier something about intuition and talking about it from your own perspective. Can you tell us a little bit more about intuition?
Speaker 1:These abilities, the ability of intuition, and personally I have clairvoyance, claircognizance, clairaudience I'll explain them and clartendency.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And clairsentience. So clairvoyance is when you're seeing things, you get visions. Clairaudience is voices. That's my strongest one. I hear voices. I get clear tangency, which is also very strong for me, which is when I touch somebody, I can go into their field. I can see, I can hear, I get information completely from touching them. Clear sentience is like it's a feeling, it's a felt sense in your body. That's a pretty common one that develops for a lot of people. And the last one is clear cognizance, which is knowing things, about knowing it. This one is also, I think, very powerful. I think a little side note on that one is, I think, with children who are really gifted, you'll see it there because they'll know the answers to things.
Speaker 1:For example, I think I was really good at math because of that good at school, because I was able to know these things without knowing how I knew them. So I think that, like my belief system is that children are all very intuitive, and it's also backed by science. Children are in a theta wave state until they're seven years old. Is exactly what going to altered states is? It's going to a theta state, going to a gamma state, right, which I'll explain what that is so and that's and that's, and just correct me really quickly.
Speaker 2:Let me pause you there because I understand this and in dapping into the theta brain waves, right. So this lower brain frequency is really where this to my understanding and correct me if I'm wrong but this understanding of where your subconscious really in alignment and communicating with the conscious mind, right. So that's where a lot of reprogramming, right, when we go into a deep meditative state, this is before you drop into your sleep state, this is when you're waking up in the morning. You're in really a communication with this subconscious mind, where there's a lot of ability to reprogram and bring new information and create new language there.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Great and it's something that as adults we typically don't go into anymore. But there are different kinds of practices that will take you into it and children until they're seven and even into their teenage years. They're kind of in different states, but from zero to seven they are just always in a theta state. So what that means is they're very connected to their intuition. Zero to seven, they are just always in a theta state.
Speaker 1:So what that means is they're very connected to their intuition. What happens in those years? It's a lot of conditioning from family culture, and that conditioning just like dissociates them from their intuition. We learn a set of behaviors as opposed to trusting their innate ability.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree and this is you know, in the area that I work in and I know that you work in as well when we see the behaviors, and underneath these behaviors are these belief systems and these conditionings from these early childhood experiences that are really fused within that subconscious. So, lexi, tell me more about this altered states of consciousness. What is it? A program, this modality you're creating?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I've created a modality that combines the expressive art therapies with Kriya Yoga specifically, which is a tantric practice, working with mantras, repetitive movements and breath to create kind of like a moving meditation that takes you into an altered state. And I combine that with rituals and expressive arts, which also work with bilateral stimulation, which is what EMDR is. That's what you're doing with EMDR, or different practices like that Somatic experiencing, and different creative practices that are intentionally designed to take you into intuition or work with different emotions, and so I combine these two together to create a modality and this is what I share and this is I call it altered states and this is what I share with my one-on-one clients and as well as in retreats and group programs. So the one-on-one clients get really specialized care. They get initiated into Vedic meditation, tantra yoga, kriya yoga. They get Vedic astrology readings. They'll get because I'm also an intuitive, which means I go into these states and like talk to people who've passed away, or guides or you know, move energy or things like that.
Speaker 1:I offer those sessions with my one-on-one clients in the program that we do, as well as different sadhanas and a sadhana is a spiritual practice that you do kind of like daily, as a ritual, and there's a way to do it, in the sense that you keep to your word.
Speaker 1:You do it each day. When you say you're going to do it for a certain amount of time, and when honoring the promises to yourself, you start to build self-trust. And the fact that those promises happen to also bring your subconscious forward, you can start to rewire your brain while you're building self-trust, with combining the back of your head, your subconscious, with the front, which is like your words, and so that's a lot of what we do in the one-on-one program, the group program. It's essentially the same thing, but we do it with a group with a different meaning behind it, in the sense that certain elements of complex trauma only heal in relationship. So for somebody who's really looking for one-on-one support and is trying to go really deep and learn these practices, I work with a lot of practitioners and facilitators who want to, for example, develop their intuitive abilities or clear their emotions or get emotional stability or get personalized support in their relationships or with their sexuality.
Speaker 1:That's something that sometimes people would prefer privacy for and they like to go deeper into, whereas the group program it's more about building a community, and same for retreats. It's building community, it's developing creativity and self-expression, which is relevant in both, and it's about being in connection. So the overall thesis of the modality is there's three points of connection. There's your connection with yourself, so self regulation, knowing who you are, knowing your triggers, knowing your desires, boundaries, et cetera. There's connection with other, that's co-regulation. So in my one-on-one work that's done, you know, with me. And then in the group work it's done either with different partners that could become dyads, or one with me. And then there's and it's also done like one to many, so there's a different sort of energy that happens when we're working with a group. And then there's one to insert word of your higher power, of your choice higher power, god, universe, choose your language. So it's one, one to one, to yourself, to the other that's either group or diets and to a higher power. There are three main relationships and so the modality works to help clear emotions, regulate the nervous system, develop self-aware awareness and heal in relationship.
Speaker 1:So it's really particularly powerful for people who struggle with complex trauma and people who are looking for a holistic, more spiritually focused approach that's still rooted in psychotherapy. Furthermore, it's incredible for people who want to develop their intuition, which is sort of these like clairvoyant, clairaudient kind of capabilities, as well as people who want to develop their creativity. So I work with a lot of musicians, artists, entrepreneurs, creatives, who are stuck in some way and have to work through their subconscious blocks in order to expand their creativity, you know, in, you know, which really focuses on a lot of times their career, but doesn't have to be. It could just be your creative expression as well. Um, and so yeah, complex trauma, sometimes it I've worked with people with addiction, with it, right but mainly it's to support your relationships, starting with yourself.
Speaker 2:Right, and I think, obviously, coming from a background of trauma and addiction, I can understand the addictive process is a separation of a disconnect from self, connect from self. Obviously, trauma can be core roots of that separation and then maintaining it through the addictive behaviors and again, whatever that, however, that manifests outward. How do you see and again, I love this because this is really what drew us together in this conversation is because I love that idea of it and so how say, if I'm coming with you, say I'm extremely anxious, um, I'm extremely anxious person, say we'll say if I'm coming with you, say I'm extremely anxious, I'm an extremely anxious person, say we'll just play this out. I'm coming to you and I'm really interested in this program. How would that benefit me? Or how would you work with that? When I'm saying I'm struggling with anxiety whether that be general anxiety, heightened anxieties I'm struggling in my daily life, I have ruminating thoughts, how can you incorporate this treatment around it using this modality?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this modality is going to, first and foremost, help you to regulate your nervous system. When you are struggling with anxiety, you need to lower your cortisol, you need to regulate, you need to come into your body. So that's the first and foremost, and that's done through both the Kriyas and the movement practices and the expressive art practices and in different you know, in different ways.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:Which is a whole podcast in and of itself. So we won't go there right now. It's part two, but so number one is to self-regulate. Number two is building safety with another. So, depending on, like the, it really depends on the stability of the person. You know whether they would benefit from one-on-one or group work, but a lot of times group work can be really powerful because when you're co-regulating with an entire group, the facilitator is typically the most dominant energy in the space and the group entrains to the facilitator.
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 1:And that's important because if the facilitator is not dominating energetically in the space, the group, different power plays can kind of happen in it and then all of the focus and energy goes there. But that may not be the most regulated nervous system that everyone is now connecting with. So it's really important that the facilitator is regulated and calm and commands the space so that the group regulates to them right um, and then in terms of like connection with the divine or higher power right.
Speaker 1:I like to give a lot of freedom with whatever language works for you, absolutely.
Speaker 1:It's really like the thing is like Not everyone has a desire to or has the sensitivities per se, I guess, to really develop their intuition in this kind of way, and not because they're not capable of it as a human, but they just may not have that.
Speaker 1:It may not be their path. They just might not be interested. However, what I've learned from walking that path has been that the more you clear out all of your emotions, the more clear your intuition is going to be. So really powerful energy healers, if they are not comfortable with anger or sadness, or even happiness or anything of the full range of human emotion, run. They are not going to help you. They're going to project all of their stuff all over you with this combination of like kind of intuitive hits and their own BS, whereas you want to go towards energy healers and intuitives who have, who are comfortable with the full range of emotion because they're clearing it all the time. Because what happens when you have these kinds of abilities is that's why it gets so mixed up with mental health is because a lot of the symptoms of ignoring intuition look like mental illness. So to speak.
Speaker 1:So anxiety can be a result of trauma, or complex trauma, which is relational, or something that's happened, or caffeine overload, or you know something physical.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. You can exhibit some anxious type behaviors with overstimulated, with caffeine for sure.
Speaker 1:Or you know whatever it is. But as well, if you're on this path and you're, you know you've already chosen this path of like healing and self-development, self-development. A lot of the time, what I've noticed is that anxiety is sort of. You learn to work with these negative emotions because they guide you to your intuition.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, thank you so they're not like.
Speaker 1:They're actually your best friends. You just have to learn how to speak their language and if you keep avoiding them or pushing them away because they don't feel good, it's going to make it worse, and then you're going to be like sedated and all these things and like totally numbing yourself out because you're just trying to make the symptoms go away as opposed to learning how to actually work with them. So, regardless of if you want to, you know, talk to the dead, it's not, it doesn't matter because, like, how far you take your intuition, what matters is that you take that path, because it's the only path of your own authenticity and that's what's going to help you heal. Now, that being said, just because you're trusting your intuition doesn't mean it's sunshine and rainbows.
Speaker 1:A lot of the times it can be, and synchronicities happen. It's like, well, everything's magical and I'm manifesting everything. And sometimes, when we trust our intuition, like, can I curse? Yes, okay, I think I asked that before. Um, sometimes, when we trust our intuition, like shit hits the fan and it can feel like we made the wrong choice, but actually it's the choice that our soul needs to grow and that's where developing your capacity to be with the full range of human emotion comes and it develops your intuition on a deeper level, so that anxiety depending on where the emotions add on their journey.
Speaker 1:You're going to meet them where they're at Like. If it's a really a social thing that they can't go further than we meet them there and we just regulate. We come to the body. We start here. We start with the physical.
Speaker 2:Right, right, I know it wasn't a probably simple question to answer, because it's per individual and exactly what they're needing and where they are in that moment and kind of creating the treatment plan around that individual instead of like it's it's hard to take it it's really per individual and seeing where they are and energetic where they are and where they might be stuck, and those things. I love what you're talking about. There's this interesting stuff that I've and I guess the whole idea of the altered states of consciousness around that. What I was hearing and again you know you can kind of put your own words to this too is that? So if I'm coming in the presenting is the anxiety We'll just keep going with this story and that idea of that altered states of consciousness is actually what I heard from is actually seeing it from this deeper lens instead of the story or what I understand of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's all bottom up. So in psychology there's terms for any listeners top, down and bottom up.
Speaker 1:Top down is just like CBT let's change our beliefs, change our story. It works to a degree, but when we're talking about trauma, it doesn't. Um, and we have to go bottom up. We have to start with the body and the breath. That's and that's where these altered states come in is like you get access to the imaginal realm, which is often the subconscious, and like whatever other dimensional worlds you're accessing and I mean essentially, that could all be a part of your subconscious or just connecting to the field but going into that state gives you the ability to rewire, because your subconscious is coming up so that you have awareness of it and then it's being released.
Speaker 1:So, that's how you start to heal is by becoming aware, not by, like telling your story a million times, but simply becoming aware and releasing it and feeling anything that comes with it and just allowing that process, like bubbles, going to the top of the right, and so that process of going into that state, when you're in that you know liminal space you actually are a lot more vulnerable.
Speaker 1:That's why when people get hypnotized like you can rewire they can rewire their thoughts it's because they're in one of those states and you can take yourself essentially into that state. Rewire your belief system by releasing. If your subconscious is holding onto a belief, you're not going to just like pat something else on top of it, Like that's not going to help you. Your subconscious is going to be like no, this, I don't believe you. But if your subconscious comes up and like releases it, then you can bring in a new belief and that's how you rewire your brain.
Speaker 1:And this is powerful in our relationships, especially whether it's like healing family relationships or romantic relationships or personal development, Because I mean, with so many clients, I watch them heal. Because this energy that we work with in Tantra yoga it's called Kundalini, but it's very related to our. It is our life force energy and it's very related to our sexual energy, so which is very related to our creative energy. And so in that state, that's where all your creativity comes from, that's where your intuition comes from and that's where your creativity comes from, and so, by learning how to become a master of those states, you start to master your intuition, you start to master your creativity and therefore you start to master your life force, and that shows up in our relationships.
Speaker 1:It shows up in leaving toxic relationships or setting boundaries or changing the dynamic. When you have more of a pause in your brain, you have more space between your reactions, you have more choices to respond differently, not because it's like a performance you're doing, but because it's genuine. You genuinely are like oh, I'm going to pause and breathe for a second. How do I want to respond to this? And that gets easier and easier the more you do it over time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I definitely see how this can work. Obviously, I love how you placed it was obviously self and then in relation, because especially when you come to relationships and that's romantic or not, but primarily when there's a romantic investment in this person, so we're in a romantic relationship a lot is at stake, right, a lot of that. Those parts start to reveal themselves. It's like that the hall of mirrors starts to get presented, right, and I can see the benefit of that when we can tap into your own self-awareness. That's why it starts with the self to bring more awareness of what might be playing itself out here, of course, what might be playing with our own stuff, and tapping into that field to bring more information in instead of the ideas, the frame that we're seeing from right.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly Like it can give you an entirely new perspective, and that's what I love about the word altered states. On one hand, it's literally like going into an altered state of consciousness.
Speaker 1:But on the other hand, it's literally like transforming your perspective, transforming your state of mind. So when you kind of go in and come back, you are automatically going to have a new perspective because you just had an experience. There's only so much we can say about it. It's something that has to be experienced. It's like being in a dream where somebody's taking psychedelics. It's like taking psychedelics.
Speaker 1:And then you come back and you're you, but you have a shift, something changed. That's a real transformation, and that's what gives you a new outlook on how to respond, as well as the pauses in between.
Speaker 2:Right, I heard there's more information and this is and I think you and I share very similar thoughts. I do love the bottom up approach. I mean, you know an intellectual understanding. It's great, brings awareness, it's, it's a needed thing. But I think, specifically when you're working on the trauma lens, that we could use that are these really deep wounds, working with the body and working upward, as more information is actually traveling up, going up? This is what I heard. It's like more information is going up from that brain. You know chinese talks about the brain, our gut, gut, and information and serotonin move up and more information than information moving down. And really I guess the word would be is embodying and understanding that experience on a deeper level, beyond the intellectual understanding of it, but from a more feeling state of being. It's a deeper, it brings more depth to our understanding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, our body is our subconscious mind.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:So everything like as an intuitive like, I can look at how somebody is, I can just look how somebody is like physically in my presence and know things that they're not necessarily telling me but they're very clearly telling me because that's a language that I speak and that's a language that everybody can learn how to develop, and it's not to like make things confusing, but it's actually to promote more of a relationship with other humans that's based on truth and love, because love only actually flourishes when we're honest.
Speaker 1:And so why have, like? You know, many people can put on this whole performance, but their subconscious is saying something different and, depending on the level of awareness of other people, they're either by the performance and most of us do, because we want to like respect what somebody's telling us right, or they like sense what's not being said. And so my philosophy with this work, because I they like sense what's not being said, and so my philosophy with this work, because I'm always sensing what's not being said. It's why don't we just say what needs to be said and learn how to say it in a way that's loving and connected and respectful to ourselves and in full trust of our higher power of like? Our path is a vertical relationship and people are here to walk alongside us, but our devotion is, you know, is our devotion is kind of universal. It's not overly into one other person expecting some level of perfection from them, because it's impossible.
Speaker 2:Right, I love that. Yeah, it brings more. It brings more into our relationships Again relationship with self, first, primary, and then relationship. And that's where that co-regulation starts to happen. Because in relation, again, you know, you know understanding, and if you're looking from early childhood development and understanding it from that lens, that was our co-regulation. Right, we're not understanding words. People are saying we're understanding the energy, we're understanding their body.
Speaker 2:Um, I, I once heard, you know, kids look at the pupil. They're always looking in your eyes because they're looking at your pupil and they can see your emotional state of being. So, kids, and this is our survival, we needed to. So this was our first language coming into existence and, of course, obviously through developmental, we kind of lose connection to that, especially if there's trauma and attachment, wounds and stuff like that. We kind of disconnect unconsciously. So the body becomes the unconscious, and now we're really stuck on this. So the body becomes the unconscious, and now we're really stuck on this.
Speaker 2:I love that you used the word vertical, because I love that we live on this very horizontal plane past future, our thinking past future. And that can be very misleading because we're taking these past traumas or wounds and we don't know we're interjecting them in the present moment and because we're not living in the vertical plane, we're not rooted, we're not living vertically, we're interjecting them in the present moment. And because we're not living in the vertical plane, we're not rooted, we're not living vertically, we're living very horizontally, which affects life, because then we're not really experiencing life in its entirety, we're experiencing a very fragment of existence. But that reality is all interpretation.
Speaker 1:Exactly and like to add to the developmental piece. I mean, children are in a theta wave state from zero to seven, and we may have already talked about that, but so exactly what you're describing, I mean in a very literal way. They're only experiencing energy and, exactly like you said, like as people we just like we disconnect from it because attachment becomes more important than authenticity. My path and this modality that I've worked for seven years creating has been about taking people back to their authenticity, to go into that state so they can get the truth and start to trust that truth because that is the truth and have more faith in their higher power and their ability to self-regulate and their ability to healthfully connect than in their attachment. Because if attachment is ruling the game, exactly like you said, it's this very horizontal relationship and you're not seeing the full picture. You're just seeing your own staff getting in the way, and it doesn't mean that it's not real, it's just that it's not everything.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not the whole, it's half of what the reality is right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, it's true in the emotional and personal and social sense, but it's not true in the energetic and spiritual sense. And some people can go so far to the other side and be only in these very esoteric truths and they're sort of like la la la, all is one, and they're very ungrounded. And it's also not a way to live. They typically have no money, they can't hold a job, they can't hold a relationship, because their lives fall apart, because they're in this really high energetic state all the time, but you can't be there all the time. It's mastering energy. It's about being able to go into that state and come back to this social and emotional realm this and come back to this social and emotional realm, this horizontal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right, you play between people and horizontal.
Speaker 1:You don't stick to one or the other as some truth, it's both.
Speaker 2:It is both. It's the human and the being of us all, and you need both. We need to exist on this plane. This is where the lessons are at. I'm very good in the cosmos. I know how to dance there all day long. I just can't exist there all day long because there's no lessons there. The lessons are in the exchange, in this human form that we all have to exist in. So I do agree with that because it's not absent of that. I always used to, you know, I used to laugh and again, it's great marketing text. I used to see these shirts or these bumper stickers or something like that. It was like your ego is not your amigo, I'm like well, it should be actually, because we want to understand the mechanisms of how that works and this idea of it's a great servant, but it's not necessarily a great master, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and that's where, like, meditation becomes so powerful in terms of like, creating those gaps that I was talking about earlier, because who's the one who's experiencing this, who's the one who's witnessing it, who's the one having the social and emotional experience that's very real, and who's the one experiencing these profound truths? And you know information coming from, you know the field, like that's equally true, but but I think you know some people who, many people who get stuck in, like the new age community or the spiritual space, get so into the vertical they get pulled, yep whereas others get so focused on the emotional and like human and mastery is who's the one, who's in, who's right, who's like holding the reins here?
Speaker 1:yeah? He's able to go to do both, because that's who you are absolutely and loving and I know that.
Speaker 2:Sorry, did I just cut you off with what you're saying, just so you feel complete with what you're to go to do, both because that's who you are Absolutely and loving, and I know that.
Speaker 2:Sorry, did I just cut you off with what you're saying Just so you feel complete with what you're saying, because it was valid and it was important to hear. And I think, speaking of and I know you do it with movement and that's the dance. The dance is this navigation between the human of who we are and the being of who we are, and knowing the fluidity of this beautiful dance that happens right, we can't lean too far on the being and we can't lean too far in the human. So it's like how do we navigate? When is it? And I think that's what you're bringing into your program, which is so beautiful that's why I was really excited to discuss that further with you is because the mastery of that and and I think that's what your program is really bringing the mastery of the recognition of where are we in this life, of are we too leaning here? Are we too leaning here?
Speaker 2:And you can pull from it. So if I'm leaning too far on this side, I can pull from this other side, and if I'm leaning too here, I have to pull from this other side, because there's some truth to that where I and I'm just going to have to just say that, acknowledging me when I was really diving into a lot of this work too. Yeah, I would do the spiritual bypassing right. I would pull from this, you know, and there's beauty in that and there is healing in that, so I don't want to ever dismiss it. All are welcome. But it can lead to more of a bypassing, where I can write everything off and just give it to that where I'm. Then I'm not really integrating the lessons that I'm supposed to learn from that, you know, or the deeper understanding of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I grew up in a Buddhist temple partially like my dad was a part of it. Up in a Buddhist temple partially my dad was a part of it and so a lot of the teachings I grew up with, these teachings and the teaching of the Buddha is the middle path. He was this king and all this luxuries and then he went off for seven years as a total ascetic, fasting, completely nothingness, and then a woman gave him. A woman gave him keel, which is this like rice pudding, sweet meal, and that's kind of when it clicked for him. He's like it's not all one, it's not all of this like hedonism, and it's also not all asceticism, it's something in the middle. How do we do both? And that's I'm so, so grateful for that upbringing because I really I mean, I went to both. I was like New York city, I was acting, it was modeling, it was party girl, like all of it Lived that lifestyle.
Speaker 1:Lived it, mastered it solid. And then to the other side, which was like. I was total aesthetic.
Speaker 1:I like lived on like a hundred dollars a monthhiked out of my hip, my hammock, and like, lived in ashrams for years and years and years, meditating six to eleven hours a day so it was like both are pretty extreme and then finding the middle path has actually been the most healing, because it's like you actually want to and the middle path, I think, is just somewhere between that horizontal relationship and the sorry that that's vertical, the vertical relationship and the horizontal one. Because it's like you have, it's the mastery over it. It's not diving into one or the other.
Speaker 2:Correct. Yeah, that's what I really was called to have people really hear about this craft and this modality that you're putting together. To have people really hear about this craft and this modality that you're putting together because it really for me, I think and I think it sounds like you're in agreeance to this and I use my own language too it's like really within the four wisdom bodies of self, right, when we're treating the whole being, it's like that body, the emotional self, the mental self and the spiritual self, it's like the four chambers of the heart all exist in our wholeness and obviously, through life's experiences whether that's early childhood or PTSD, you know, later in life these parts become almost fragmented from the whole. And so we, you know, as a guide and working in this field, what I'm hearing you saying is it's important to work with all of these parts of you. To come back, we can't just look at it and understand it on an intellectual, although that does give clarity. We have to work with all of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was just going to say, yeah, like everything I do with my clients is so rooted in parts work, because going into this liminal space allows you to meet those parts and it allows you to build relationships with those parts. Because the deeper you go into this modality we start with the gross and we get more subtle. So we start with the self and the other other humans and then the divine right, but as you get more subtle you realize that's all inside of you and not in like an all is one kumbaya way, although maybe, but in a, in a very real psychological healing way of like that's how you heal trauma of within us. We have all these different parts that we regulate ourselves. As we regulate ourselves, our inner person, because our inner adult becomes more mature and can relate with these different parts of ourselves in the way they needed to be met that's right you can start to meet those needs of all those other parts and you can bring in guardian angels or helper, guides or whoever is supportive
Speaker 1:to you and you can work in these imaginal realms with your guides, with the parts of you, with your adult self, with your future self, with your inner child, all of these things. And that all happens on this imaginal realm, in the liminal space. And that's essentially the intention of going into the state. We have to meet people where they're at. It's first about just teaching you how to go into this state and practicing those relationships in the physical, because as you get more mature emotionally and spiritually and start to get a more intimate understanding of this process, you replicate that process within yourself with your own parts, and that's actually really how you heal complex trauma, which is something that is not like. It's still so new, it's not even in the DSM yet. So it's relational, chronic trauma. This is not like one thing happened to me and now I'm traumatized.
Speaker 1:This is like this relationship was consistently abusive and I have firm beliefs about who I am because of that, and that's why I stay in toxic relationships or I'm not attracting what I want or expectancy.
Speaker 1:This is how you change that stuff, not just, oh, I go in my subconscious and reprogram it, but like you really need to go in your subconscious and heal and those relationships inside of yourself and connect to your, your guidance system inside. I always tell people that this is like building your own internal gps system, like I have a personal best friend that gives me information all the time and it's, it's inside of me and it guides my whole life so everyone should have this, I mean we do so.
Speaker 2:so so, true lex, you know it is so, because then we just kind of keep repeating and regurgitating that same pattern with ourself, right, we, we are the ones that neglected ourself. Now, I, always we I talk about that because I love parts work too and this idea is that I'm the perpetrator. Now, right, like I'm the one continuing the trauma quote unquote trauma where I'm abandoning, I'm neglecting, and it's because of the relational or lack of relational relationship that I have with those parts and understanding them and understanding their needs and understanding them and showing up for them, I have abandoned them, right? So, if you look at addiction in itself, we talk about where it's like the abandonment of self, and so I'm hurting myself or reaching out for these very toxic relationships. By the way, it's all relationship. You're in a relationship with your substance, right? You're in a relationship. We are always in relation with people, places and things, right, and everything that goes in within that.
Speaker 2:So did you want any say? Well, first of all, amazing work that you are doing. And this is what really excites me, because what really drew me to have this discussion with you was in the brief conversation we had and because it's very similar language. I love that you pull in these different parts of self and I love the idea of an altered states of consciousness, because I think that's truly what we're. You know, that's where we're seeking in ways and are acting out in the dysfunctions, whatever that dysfunction quote, unquote might be. And how you incorporate the body with that, how you incorporate, you know, spirituality with that. You know the mental, the emotional, because, yes, we have to. You know, working with the whole being is how we heal and trusting we already have everything we need, we really have, but sometimes, right, we need to be directed. And did you see it this way? What is that like? And having that person kind of land there for themselves.
Speaker 1:And depending on where you're at in your healing journey and actually always, especially when we're talking about complex trauma like it's and I'm really passionate about it because it defines so much of a person's personality but it's not really who they are. But it's like by unpacking it you get this whole new life and new relationships and a life that you get real transformation for people who thought life could only ever be one way. But it's also, and it's also just been, a big part of my journey. But what's amazing is like it's when something breaks in relationship, it actually needs to heal in relationship. This is all I'm just teaching. I tell people I love people for a living and I'm just teaching people how to love, because that's really it, like it's what is love. How do we do it? How do we relate with others in this way, in a real way?
Speaker 1:in a way that like exactly like you were saying earlier when you're talking about like sometimes we're the perpetrator, sometimes we're the perpetrator it requires a certain degree of self-awareness and humility and ability to do what's called shadow work, and what I call is the ability to feel the full range of human emotion. Can you be okay with being the perpetrator? Sometimes we are, sometimes we do abusive things, especially if we were abused, but if we're unwilling to recognize that, you're never going to change it and it's going to continue to happen subconsciously and you're going to continue to wonder what's going on in my relationships when the reality is.
Speaker 1:The more you get comfortable being humble and looking at the full range of human emotion and just being an acceptance of it, being acceptance of who you are, the easier it's going to be to work with those parts and really see a transformation in your life.
Speaker 2:Correct, absolutely. I yes, I just want to pause there because that was just beautiful information, so let that sit for a little bit. Coming early on this game, my clinical director says we get here in relation, we heal in relation, and I thought you know, and obviously during my path it reigns more. True, and this is kind of really speaking to what you just mentioned is that, and I love that, if the ability to be willing to accept that part, or willing to accept in the motions of that part and sit within that at first acknowledge that If we don't right, I think if we don't what landed when you said this and we continue to live from a victim mentality, very unconsciously, right, we can see ourselves as a victim of everything. And when the victim then becomes the abuser in ways abusive of self and abusive to others, right, so it it's a very low frequency of a vibration, oh oh, I got it anyway.
Speaker 2:So, um so, how do and I'll and I'll have all your information available for people if you're very interested how you can get in contact with Lexi. And are you doing anything or you have anything going on right now?
Speaker 1:Yep. So I have my one-on-one program, which is six months. It's a high-ticket offer. If people are interested, they can go to my website, lexifaithcom, and book a discovery call. There's always an opportunity to get a Vedic astrology reading or an intuitive session with me. That's also on the same website, lexiefaithcom. And if you're interested in joining the wait list for a group program I'm launching using this modality, I would say reach out to me either via email on my website at lexiefaithcom or on Instagram at thelexiefaith. You can send me a DM, let me know that you're interested in being on the wait list and I can get you on there.
Speaker 2:Beautiful, yeah, and I'll have that already available. So if you don't have to write all that down, I'll put that available for people in the captions so they can really have a direct link to you. Um, I love this work, lex. I love what you're doing and how I could really see the deeper benefits of causing change individually and obviously, in relationships and um. So I just want to thank you so much for describing this beautiful thing that you are creating and, yeah, I'll have all that information for everyone.
Speaker 2:Give her a call, even if it's just for a discovery call, right. See if it lines up with you and see where you're at. You might not see where you might be blocked, and she can help point that out to you. I mean, that's what we need. I always say I'm on the wrong side of my face. I need people to show me me. So anyway, lexi, thank you for taking the time and I hope to talk again. We might have to have a part two as this keeps going on, because there's probably, from all of what you just said, I could probably pull five other episodes out of that. Tell me more about that. Tell me more about that. So I'm really excited to see this keep continuing to happen.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2:Please let me know what you think of this episode. Please leave reviews like it. It really helps with other people getting informed of this, because maybe it will help them as well. My name is Shane. We need to come.