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(Un)stoppable: Dopamine, Mindset Shifts, and the Path to Healing with Cody Carrier
Could understanding your body's chemistry hold the key to overcoming addiction? Join us as we explore this intriguing possibility with Cody Carrier, whose remarkable journey from substance abuse in Michigan to becoming a fitness instructor in California is nothing short of inspiring. Cody shares how health and fitness became pivotal in his recovery, revealing the vital connection between physical well-being and sustainable healing. Discover how Cody's pursuit of education in personal training, psychology, and nutrition has equipped him to help others manage their dopamine levels and achieve a balanced, rewarding recovery process through the interconnected pillars of nutrition, exercise, and mindset.
Cody's insights extend beyond personal transformation, addressing how mindset profoundly impacts physical health. He shares a compelling mouse study highlighting intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation's effect on stress and metabolic health. By shifting perspectives from "have to" to "get to," we can enhance motivation and boost dopamine. Cody emphasizes the role of nutrition in supporting neurotransmitter production, particularly focusing on L-tyrosine's role in dopamine synthesis. Through this thought-provoking episode, listeners will gain practical advice for personal growth and lifestyle changes, underlining the power of community support and collaboration in achieving self-improvement. Don't miss the opportunity to connect with Cody and explore his transformative approach to healing.
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Hi everybody, welcome to Men in Cave. This is me again, your host Shane, and today I have Cody Carrier here with us and I'm really excited about this discussion. I'm glad that we could make this happen, because I love the work that you are doing and I want people to know a little bit about you and what you're actually doing. So I think let's kind of just jump into this. First of all, how did you get into the work that you are doing? We're going to talk about that later, but I want to know what's been your journey to actually to get here love saying thanks for having me on man I really appreciate it and taking the time to learn more about.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm doing. Of course I love the work that you do with you know, healing mind, body, spirit. All that stuff is so valuable, uh, for my own journey. So I got into treatment for myself nine years ago. So I came to california from michigan.
Speaker 2:Um, I've been, you know, doing the substance abuse for this on and off most of my life trying to figure it out. I just couldn't understand what the problem was and when I wasn't using I would always oscillate back towards like the health and fitness lifestyle so very much ingrained in me, like that's where I feel best. Uh, so, going through treatment, I've had experience in that process and I saw, like the industry's best attempts at helping somebody with this problem, which I found to be I don't know. I just didn't see a lot of success in a lot of other people and that ultimately didn't inspire me to like, well, what worked for me and all the funds I've been able to gain these, uh, to gain these insights on what works for people and seeing obviously, like what was the difference in my experience?
Speaker 2:Like I was like misdiagnosed with bipolar disorder when I was in through them and they had given me a K-gen and so I was telling them like this isn't working for me, like I feel ambivalent to like this isn't working for me, like I feel invulnerable to the life, like this is impossible for me. That really would get me off of that and I advocated for myself. I know they'll get like different nutritional strategies on board. Like my blood sugar is really sensitive, so like when I'm taking in like these really fast-digesting carbohydrates I get manic and depressive and I was unaware of that until someone literally diagnosed me with my polio, so that's what?
Speaker 2:yeah, so I hadn't gone through that treatment process. The first job I had was as a fitness instructor for the treatment center. Um, which was challenging, because here I am as my guy, which is a couple years of sobriety, but it's fitness, like training other people. I felt wholly inadequate but I wanted to go get more education, which ultimately I did. Um, I became licensed as a personal trainer for the national academy sports medicine.
Speaker 2:Um, I went to work at infronauts, having unlearned everything and then relearn everything. Yeah, I mean the philosophy that they had taught me there, that is, that is still like crucially valuable for me is like not to get married to the thing about what the goal is. The goal is to help this person and I'm finding out the best way to do that. So then I went to school, went to college and I studied psychology, human biology, nutrition, you know, ethics. Ethics is super important to me because you have to make sure that you're considering, like how we're creating sports, and it was effortful, and I'm thinking about bias and thought of it. So with all that context, I was able to like really study and understand like what worked for me, and it ended up being like these three pillars of nutrition, exercise and mindset.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and we're're gonna definitely dive into a lot of that, uh, today on our topic, because I think those and again just for those, um, you know, obviously I've been openly about my own recovery in my own journey in getting sober. So, thank you, I think it's really important that we understand, um, there's a lot of things that are going on there with the individual and what we're going to talk about in the healing journey. And again, recovery is one aspect. Obviously, if we are, you know, abusing substances, that's one aspect. You probably want to get off your substance. That's not going to work for you.
Speaker 1:And then all of the chemistry and the neurobiology and everything, these pillars that you're really talking about, which I can't wait to dive into. Let's take a look at some of those things. Let's, if you can maybe talk about a little bit, maybe about some of these pillars for you. And understanding the importance of this is a thing that you have really spent your time, your equity, put sweat equity in to really develop. And are you doing this outside of, say, treatment centers? Do you do this for other clients as well, private clients?
Speaker 2:So where I really grew up in my seat was working for a company called the Federal Reapers, which I'm now the co a owner of, and I operate many other trainers out of the people and foundationally it's just a group in the treatment center where there's a discussion on the recovery principles, but then we move into fitness and about like 10 or 15 years. So there's a question that I asked the group at the beginning why is fitness called recovery and inevitably the first hand that goes up, that says endorphins. And I say what are endorphins? Like um, pathophysical that makes you feel good and why is that important for your recovery? Recovery has to feel good and this I found there's a through line with everybody.
Speaker 2:Those endorphins. What they're really talking about it's dopamine, and dopamine is a thing that we all struggle with managing, Right?
Speaker 1:right.
Speaker 2:And the relationship with food, things like our endorphins and how television movies, everything is just trying to get as much dopamine and dopamine as possible. So this whole world has just been engineered to squeeze and squeeze and squeeze. So when we're talking about substance abuse in particular, you're taking in exogenously substances that will raise your dopamine levels, causing you to release the dopamine that you have in store, ultimately defeating that level, causing this addictive cycle, trying to just reclaim its existence. It takes stronger and stronger substances, whether that is an alcoholic drug or alcohol or whatever it is you may be addicted to. A lot of people are addicted to shopping, to food.
Speaker 1:Thank you for this.
Speaker 2:With young men. Pornography is taking the youth by storm right now um, even scrolling in your phone. So whatever it is is like they're needing higher and higher dose of this because dopamine is like not pressed. But that's the thing I want to talk about. Exercise, for me, is dopamine is if we can exercise, we can cause our body to increase its own production of dopamine without some exogenous force being applied to us, and that the magic that's required through the formula positively associated stress, dopamine, reward afterward. Dopamine causes us to have motivation to live. There was a mouse study that they had done where they engineered my genetic leaks to not be able to produce dopamine within their brain and they would just lay there in their cage. So they would think that they would place food in front of the mouse. If the food was more than a body length away from the mouse, the mouse would starve to death, mm, unless they had put the food in their mouth. Literally they didn't have the motivation to get up and go do that thing.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:And so it's no wonder when something comes into treatment after the dopamine had been completely depleted out of their brain for years, months, however long they were using they don't know if to drive the way dopamine works in the brain. It is designed so that when dopamine is present, new nerves will form between your motor and psychological functions. It will, like, grow parts of your brain that are associated with however you do it. So we need to form new neural pathways to stop feeling the behavior that is in our hands. The way that we do that is by clean footing. Dopamine Exercise is one way that we can get our bodies to begin producing it down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you know there's the weapons of mass distractions. I think there is a limited view. It's substances you know alcohol and substances, there's a whole thing. I think you labeled shopping. I mean you have pornography you have. You know sex love you have.
Speaker 1:Obviously food can be problematic for some people as well. More on the process, addictions I mean obviously we're going to have to eat, but moderation, understanding that. So thank you for bringing that into light. I am solely on that because there is sometimes a limited view when they think of recovery or addiction in itself. View when they think of recovery or addiction in itself becomes very narrow.
Speaker 1:But there's a whole other world that can happen that we can get those what you're referring to as these dopamine hits. And I think obviously you talked about scrolling on the phone. I mean these scrolling, these things are wiring. Dopamine hits right, they fire those neuron connections and get a little hit from those things. So thank you for clarifying that which is so important because it is such a dopamine is a necessity. Obviously life without pleasure would be pretty boring. We have to have that balance. But duration and frequency of the substances and our behaviors, we offset kind of the equilibrium in our in our body right and so restoring that. I love that you're talking about exercise, how that kind of helps reset that. Maybe, if you understand a little bit, maybe there are neurological connections to that.
Speaker 2:So anthropologically, the dopamine system was designed to provide us an award for sustained, positively associated stress. So think about like caveman days. Where would they get dopamine? Probably from food, from social interaction and from surviving a physical conflict. So exercise is one of those areas where, like, you weren't going to get a dopamine if you're sitting around in a cave or in a hut or whatever. Like you have to work really, really hard for long periods of time before you ever got any smaller room, and the way the world is designed today is that we're looking more in front.
Speaker 1:Yes, keep going there. I love this Cody.
Speaker 2:Keep going, there's no pain in front of it so we can actually begin to engineer our lifestyles so that there is some difficulty ahead of prospect of joy, whatever that thing is. So you're right, a life without joy is not a life. But we can create positively associated stress for ourselves by eating breakfast. It's a pre-programmed behavior that we have within us. We don't have to think too hard about it. You get prepared to go to the gym, you drink whatever pre-workout whenever you have to like, get you there, that like initial dopamine boost, and then you have a 45 minute exercise and by the end of it we have this, this total gift in our thinking, little gift in our energy. Our emotions, like everything, gets reset. But that's because we perform the formula appropriately. If we are immediately starting our day, we're scrolling on the phone, drinking coffee, having no positive associated stress. We go through work and the only joy that we have is within the fast food that we get at the end of the day. It's not a healthy formula. So we have to create these positive associated stress.
Speaker 2:The way that exercise does this is through that experience and I want to cover that later, um, when I want to go over like mindset. The way we are interpreting that stress is absolutely incredible, absolutely incredible clients that I have with personal brain implants. So if I'm going to say I'm working all day and then still rods at work but I do, I'm on my feet all day is that not exercise? Your brain is not interpreting it as exercise. It interprets it as work. So it will go along a different metabolic pathway of stress, of negatively associated stress, and it'll actually make you sicker and more frustrated. I want to go to the gym and I'm lifting weights in my free time. I'm like this is me, this is 30 times. I walk out feeling essentially enlightened.
Speaker 1:difference in those two things attitude wow, we're gonna definitely dive into that I. I want to come back to just what you were talking about. I love recognizing it in that way, that you were saying the how we live, because it was I. When it landed in me I really it made sense. You know, kind of that instant gratification where we put it before the reward, before the work, and it sounds like, if I'm hearing this correct, that in doing the work where you're talking about, you know, from caveman, where it's like you know you had to go out there to find your food, you know, and kind of like hunt it down and there's a lot of work that comes into it. And then the reward I get to sit and feast with today's new way of living and obviously all these platforms opening up, we get that instant gratification.
Speaker 1:First, creating this kind of dopamine junkie kind of thing. That instant hit. Oh, I just love that. Cody, that was a really I mean, I understand that right, but the, you know, when you phrased it, that was like, yeah, this is really good, I get it, I get it. And so thank you for that great information let's get into, because that's another pillar of yours, with what you're running and how you're helping people is the mindset that you kind of you started that conversation. Can you take us into that, that pillar mindset, and how important that is in the healing process, if you will?
Speaker 2:So in mindset we are familiar with the placebo effect, right Like some people are taking a sugar pill and for some reason, like their symptoms can get bad. So that has been an anomaly in the scientific community. We don't fully understand it, but we've been able to apply it in different areas. So the study that I want to focus on. They did this mouse study, but they had two mice in separate cages. They had no contact with one another.
Speaker 2:Mice love to run on the wheel voluntarily. They like to act as mice. It's what they'll do in captivity. So mouse number one was allowed to run on the wheel voluntarily. When their wheel started to turn, mouse two was on their wheel and it was forced to turn. So mouse one perpetuated mouse two. So they had the same amount of exercise, but one was doing it voluntarily and two would be forced to do it. The health outcomes were in two different directions on the graph. Mouse one lived a long healthy life with no you know problems. Mouse two died early from stress-related metabolic disorders. Oh wow, how is it that a person can have the same exact amount of exercise as another but yet get sick for that?
Speaker 1:yes, go there mindset yes, let's go down that cody. Let's go down that Cody, please. Let's go down there.
Speaker 2:I love this Mouse too was a victim and it's not even like this was like high consciousness, like victim-based mentality. Of course, right, but they perceive themselves as the world is happening to them, but mind's one, the world is happening for them, mm-hmm, mm-hmm for them. And how we perceive stress happening to us and how we're participating in it will determine the metabolic pathway that our bodies take the reward system or the consequences of it.
Speaker 2:Like I said, I can go to the gym and I can burn a thousand calories and have the time of my life, but if I'm working five, six hours and I'm doing these like intense fitness groups and people can literally do the same thing, I'm doing in my free time but for some reason I'm just like ragged and looking at McDonald's thinking this might be a good idea right now, or I'll sit in a zombie out and watch TV to just like try to get my dopamine back up because I've just been pleaded all day like not getting that nap for the reward. So having that mindset's important, even if everything else is put into place is like happening to you or is happening for you and does that kind of tie into when you start looking at it from motivation, I guess it's like intrinsic, extrinsic motivation I guess it can happen any kind of point like along the spectrum.
Speaker 2:So like our amygdala are like your processing unit and our brain will exacerbate circumstances beforehand. You've experienced it in your day of staff and you're like already exhausted and then like you can fall off from having to do all that work, like oh, look what you do today and all of a sudden you've got all the energy in the world. Yep, so the way that we're perceiving things in advance, right, can brain us. What if perceiving in advance is a positive thing? Like look at all the people I couldn't help today. Look at all the people I'm going to get to work today. I'm not going to settle down my house or to reframe it in advance. You can get the dopamine boost in, that's right.
Speaker 2:It really happens in the moment. Like you said, you can go to the gym not feeling like doing it at all and you start getting the flow of these things and you get that inertia Once you're going to get some dopamine reward, even if you eat a form of exercise that might give you the opportunity to have that switch of, like I feel better than I did when I walked in. Sure, like I'm always asking within before we start, like why are we doing this? Because they would give you energy. You're gonna sleep better tonight. They're going to feel more energetic, like you know, throughout the rest of today in particular, you're going to do that with your mind, like just thinking about all the benefits, knowing like this is good for me. This is good for me, even if you don't believe it yeah just saying out loud this is good for me.
Speaker 2:Or I want to do this flip, that switch in your brain which can start to give you that bigger dopamine boost that you need to, the more productive of dopamine, instead of having a solubilist before you and that can spin you off into that mindset.
Speaker 1:So sometimes it just takes a month or just a few words while you're in that stress yeah, kind of, I love that reframing that a little bit, reframing the words I get to work out, I get to communicate with people, I get to have great conversations with people, and it lightens the journey a little bit. It gets you kind of excited. Well, what are we going to talk about or work out with, or something. So that in itself changing. So we have changing the mindset we have, how that connects to the dopamine when we get out of, when we get out of the kind of I think the words you said, the victim mentality I have to. I get to right. We hear some of this language. I get to right, we hear some of this language.
Speaker 1:Just reframing that could create sounds like kind of create that kind of kickstart, that emotion. You referred to it as kind of that placebo. It already kind of gets it in motion. There's an excitement that lives within there which leads to the motivation. Yeah, and then, of course, then the rewards of working out. You're actually into the body when we're moving and we're moving some of that energy within our body and how that connects to the healing and if you can speak a little bit of that, I don't want to miss the key factor of the medicine itself.
Speaker 2:So you can exercise, you can tell your body it's body truly still clean, you can tell yourself that this is something that's good for me. But the material world still exists. We do have this biochemical relationship with the world around us, the food we consume and the body that's carrying us around, and so within food are the resources necessary for your body to produce these neurotransmitters. This is really important. L-tyrosine is the precursor to dopamine. L-tyrosine is an amino acid that is found in animal protein Some nuts, some cheeses but animal protein is the highest source. We get this L-tyrosine If you do not have the materials to create dopamine from, you can squeeze and squeeze and squeeze, but that sponge is not going to have anything for it to become. So we need to put the nutrients into the body for us to be able to produce the neurotransmitters, and that production happens within the brain, but not exclusively. Our gut microbiome produces neurotransmitters like crazy.
Speaker 2:The gut brain access is. I mean, it's becoming more well-studied these days. There's a lot of misinformation out there and it's really, really hard to find out what's going on in there, because you can't get a sample of the microbe within the gut unless you literally enter the gut to do it. We're not sure which probiotics cause which neurotransmitters to be acquired, but we are certain that they are present in the process. So in order for us to be able to create dopamine in our brains, we need a gut microbiome that can break food down and create those neurotransmitters. We need the front team to be there to circulate their stuff, the amino acids, to turn it into neurotransmitters. We need fiber to feed the gut microbiome so that we don't have any time for this and freeze them. All of these things have to go in there, and if they're not consuming enough carbon hybrids, they don't have the energy necessary to do the activities to do the things.
Speaker 2:But, when they have the carbon hybrids. This was a clarifying understanding of how the carbon breaks down. How quickly it breaks down is related to that further conversation about dopamine. And in terms of substance there's it breaks down is related to that earlier conversation about dopamine. And a new substance has a few features, few characteristics. It gets into the system quickly, it gives you a high dopamine spike and it drops off really, really quickly and it's consistent. So the mouse study they had done, they had run the water in cocaine water and there was a button in front of the water bottles so that when they hit the button the water would come out. So they hit the cocaine button. Cocaine water came out. After they took the cocaine out of the water they still only hit that button.
Speaker 2:They created an association of consistency. Every time you hit that button, every time you look in your phone, every time you see those golden arcs, every time you have this thing, you're going to have this addictive association. And food has the same kind of characteristic. So a simple sugar means that, say, if you get 10 grams of fructose you've heard of high fructose corn syrup that means it has more fructose than glucose in it, meaning it gets in your system really, really rapidly. All of it goes up at the same exact time and it drops down to the limit, so you begin to have a sedative relationship. The way that it works on a psychological level is, if you have a massive influx of energy into the brain, that can send you into a million.
Speaker 2:I've seen kids on family they're going nuts and then they have a friend then there's a crash at 23, the symptoms of use disorder and no substances around whose family has left him boy. You bet I was really depressed and really manic I was. I was unable to manage my emotions. So we consider the food that we're taking in. We want to have complex carbohydrates. And that would mean something with fiber.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, If you're eating the apple, eat the skin of the apple that has fiber in it. If you're a full-blown food, you can get the full-brain cutlets and then just do it in about 30 minutes, finding out what sources of energy you're getting.
Speaker 1:Make sure that you have a longer lasting and I don't have this tire swipe yeah, I think that's important to understand because, uh, you know it, carbs, carbs itself, have such a bad rap sometimes for people and they think you know. But I think it's the the right kind of. So it has an even arc and kind of a leveling out, instead of a high spike and then that deep crash to um and how important that is for the functioning of the body. Like you said, what is it?
Speaker 2:It's the precursor L-thyrosine is a precursor for dopamine.
Speaker 1:Got it.
Speaker 2:And that's from animal protein, it's from food.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm From animal protein and that helps with. So all of these functions I think are so important. We have mind, we have body, we have the whole self, kind of working in this well-oiled machine, helping to function, helping us to heal.
Speaker 2:When we're thinking about wellness, getting better, healing, we're all talking about freedom of change Change within the mind, the literal, physical mind, our ability to think, comprehend and take on new habits. People would pay an infinite amount of money to be able take on new habits and, like people, would pay an infinite amount of money to be able to control their habits and their behaviors. I think that is like the greatest human struggle, just philosophically. We all struggle with self-control, and so if you have the keys to changing your behaviors forever, permanent change towards something positive, you would keep it. And there's three keys, though. The three keys are exercise, the new victim and our mindset.
Speaker 2:You can exercise all you want, have all the nutrients that you want, but if you don't have the right mindset, it's not going to work. You can exercise and have a great mindset, but if you're not eating well, you're not going to have the materials necessary to facilitate the change. And if you're eating really well and you've got a great mindset, that's fine, but you're not starting your body's production of opium through insulin. So all three of these things have to happen in order to experience lifestyle change. What if you're trying to get a job and, like you, just don't want to be able to do that.
Speaker 2:You do those three things. You're going to have all the resources necessary to send up all the resumes or go to school or to apply for whatever you need to do, like, like, if you're having trouble with your relationships and like maybe it's like not feeling this girl or you have this like really troublesome relationship with her and it's really toxic, like in order for you to get out of your life and create a new philosophy of life, how are we going to do this? If we don't, you're going to need to do these three things. Whatever it is in life that we're struggling with these three things, whatever is in life that we're struggling with, the change happens with those three pillars. You can change those habits so you can build freedoms how do people get in contact with you?
Speaker 1:I think I heard a little bit about because I love that it. That's why I wanted to bring it lifestyle change. You brought in relationships. You brought in, you know, moving careers and or whatever, whatever that goal is for that outcome for you, these three pillars that you had discussed, how that can help you move into building deeper connections, achieving whatever short, long term things you want. How do people get in contact with you and find you?
Speaker 2:so my business is physical business and, uh, it's built towards a personal training. That's what's going to see like fitness and things like that on there. But there is, um, there is a calendar and I won't talk to anybody. I anybody who has any problems going on.
Speaker 2:I have worked in upwards anonymous for years and guys are coming with 25 years of sobriety Like, hey, man, I've done the steps and I don't worry, I'm going to do it. And, frankly, my relationship with my wife is just nuts right now. I don't know what to do about it. And so I've seen all of the different you know challenges of life and I've had to address those things.
Speaker 2:Like I said, like I'm willing to talk to anybody about whatever's going on and like they do facilitate a solution for you, um, and because of my needs is in like the health and wellness space, like that's where I'm going to start with and if there's like other, like higher level mental health care things, like I've been in contact with treatment centers in this area and like other people who do more like national work, like they can give you treatment if it's not serious. Like there is always a pathway, there's always a doorway and I'm always going to offer my resources so you can go to physicalbusinesscom uh, you can book like a 30 minute, just like what's going on, man, um, and I will hear you out and I'll give you the tool that I have available. And if there's any way that you, you know, we could move forward with maybe it's consultation, maybe it's, you know, sober coaching, maybe it's nutrition, maybe it's fitness, like whatever it is I'm willing to help.
Speaker 1:Cody man, I love the work that you're doing. I love these three pillars. I'm so glad that we ran into each other and we were caught. That was the whole thing. We were constantly running into this like, man, we gotta, we gotta do something here because, uh, learning more about what you're providing in the healing space I'm just going to call it the healing space, Cause it's again, it's outside of the rooms technically about lifestyle.
Speaker 1:I'm I'm passionate about I, I, uh, I want to know more about that, Even some of the things that you were just talking about. So I was like, yeah, that's true. I really appreciate you taking the time today to come here and shed some wisdom for all of us, to take bits and pieces and start applying them to our life. Again, if you need an extra push or more information, again, I'll have Cody's information here and you can look and get in contact with him, set up a discovery call, see where you might be stuck in your life, whatever you need, and I'm sure he'll make the time. What a great, what a great guy you are, Cody. Really a pleasure to have you today, my friend.
Speaker 2:Hey, I'm honored man. I'm honored that you had me on. You're a guy I really respect. You really walk the walk you know as well as so eloquently and gently talk to me. I think that a lot of people are going to benefit from just being in proximity to you and the company you keep. I think that you're a real life for this world and I'm just so grateful to be a part of your own journey your own, you know, hero. It's hard to think of how many people we can help. Your own, you know, hero. It's hard to like how many people we can help, um. So to have you know another brother on the on the battlefield on the front line is, I'm really honored by this, thank you yes, thank you, my brother, and that is today's episode of men uncaved.
Speaker 1:Of course, my name is shane coyle. I will have all of cody's connected links in the in the caption below, so please take a look at the beautiful work he is doing. And again, we need to come out of hiding.