Ep.78 Surviving Mao to Defending Freedom w/ Janice Trey

Janice Trey, CEO of Epoch Times, at story of coming from absolutely nothing to living the Am dream. We discuss her childhood experiences growing up in a Chinese labor camp and the propaganda that has now started to spread on American soil. 

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TIMELINE

00:00 Intro

01:24 Communism living

05:22 Organ harvesting

06:59 Uprising

10:55 Infiltration

11:44 Epoch

19:03 Gen Z Marxists

Transcript

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Welcome to the Programming Lions Podcast. Today we have Janice Trey, the CEO of Epoch Times, and she has an incredible story of coming from absolutely nothing to living the American dream. We discuss her childhood experiences growing up in communist China, in a Chinese labor camp, and all the propaganda that she now recognizes being spread on American soil. So we are going to get right into it. Yeah.

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Janice Trey, CEO of Epoch Times. It's a pleasure to have you here with us. You've got an incredible story to share and we want to hear about that. Well, thank you, Matt, for having me on your show. Yes, for sure. We're happy to have you here. We love what you've done with the news channel, and like I said, your story of adversity and overcoming a lot is incredible. And I think we want to hear a little bit more about what life was like on a communist side. Who wants to start? I'll start. We have heard that you were, we have heard that you were inside of a Chinese Communist Party camp, and that your parents were there and you were born inside of one, I think. So, Can you, so then that probably helps you understand freedom and oppression and stuff like that. So can you just tell us a little bit about that? Yes. My parents are college graduates in engineering. Just because they were educated, so they were sent to labor camps during the cultural revolutions. The labor camps was located in a very remote area. For me to go to school, it took one and a half hours. I was walking by foot each way, and I have to walk past cemetery, crop field, climb a hill. The school was on the other side of the hill. I was a child laborer, and I grew the sugar cane. I carry fertilizers heavier than myself to the top of the hill to grow the sugar cane. And during harvest season because they use hand tools to harvest the grains and the crops. So some grains will drop on the field. So every day after school, I walk hours, aisle by aisle in the field to pick up any dropped grains. I need to fill a plastic bag full of the grains. Otherwise, I was not allowed to return to school the next day. So that was my childhood. There was no televisions, no toys. I've never seen any of those. The only time that I saw television, there was only one television set for about a thousand people in the camps. And it was Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai's funeral. So my association of television was that standing in front of the television, wear something black, a tantrum. I have no idea that you can watch cartoons and have lots of, you know, great entertainment stuff on television. Wow. That's crazy, huh guys? It's hard to even imagine that kind of a life. When you were in it, was it normal because that's just how you grew up? Or did it seem very oppressive and difficult or just normal? Well, I received balloons from Taiwan that dropped and there was paper inside. So it was written, we do not ride on bicycles. We have private cars. We have refrigerator, we have washer dryer, and at the time, I have no idea, what was the, I asked my parents, what's the refrigerator, what's the washer, what's the dryer, because we didn't have any of those. And the whole labor camp, there was only one vehicle, which was the military vehicles that they used. There was no seatbelt or anything. You, you stood on the, on that, you know, almost like a trailer type. Yeah. You stood on it without seatbelt or anything. That was the only vehicle. So, until I went to Hong Kong to visit my grandfather, I saw television with cartoon. And I fell in love with it. In fact, I probably watched too much. Because I never had that experience before. Right, right. Yeah. So, I've actually heard that in your in the camp they did organ harvesting? Yes. So, like, what's that like, basically like? Yeah. So, organ, forced organ harvesting. Took place in China because they kill people on demand for their organs. Think of when you go to a restaurant, you see lobsters by swimming. If you point to the lobsters and say, I want this lobsters, or you want this fish. So it's a killing on demand. So the false organ harvesting is based on There's a foreigner who pay tons of money, want a heart transplant, want a liver transplant, want a kidney transplant that match the blood type, the tissue types, then the person with the match one will be killed. And the target has been Falun Gong practitioners, because Falun Gong practitioners, they do They do Tai Chi meditation type of exercise every day, so they are healthier, and they don't drink and they don't smoke. So no one wants a smoker's lung for transplant. No one wants an alcoholic person's liver. Right, or kidneys, right? So they become the target. In fact in U. S. Congress, in in June, unanimously passed the Falun Gong Protection Act. Specifically talk about, putting efforts to stop the forced organ harvesting. Yeah. Help Americans understand the risk if they go to China to have a organ transplant, as well as ask the state departments to produce reports, and also limit Chinese doctors training and, continue such practice. That's Wild. That is wild. That is Yeah. Wow. So it's almost like they just have a different value of life there. Well, in Communist China, if you look at the history of Communist China, first they mobilized the farmers. Farmers redistributed land. They never did. It was a way to confiscate their wealth into their hands. I'll give you an example. My grandfather was a successful banker. He had a bank. So communist leader robbed his bank. Took all the money. And also Went to his house and took the antique collections, the paintings. That's why he escaped to Hong Kong. Wow. And start from scratch. You know, so, so the first wave was like mobilize the farmers to attack the landlords and the industrialists. Yeah. Then 1966 to 1976, 10 years cultural revolutions. Educated people no escape. They attack the professors, they attack, like, engineers, doctors, and so I'll give you some background. When my mom's water broke, she rode on the back of the bicycle to the hospital. When she arrived at the hospital, I was in a bridge position, so C session was necessary. But there were no experienced OBGYN in the hospital, because they were sent to labor camp. They were working as farmers, and so, imagine a C session without an experienced OBGYN. And that's why I I felt like it was so important to give a voice to the voiceless because I could have been killed at birth. I could have been killed during the Tiananmen Square Massacre. I could have been killed, through forced organ harvesting. And now I am alive in front of three of you. I want to give a voice to the voiceless. So back to the Chinese Communist Party's history, they first mobilized The farmers. So they target landlords and the industrials, then they target the educated people. Then they target the student in 1989. You probably remember the students stood in front of the tank, to stop the tank from moving forward. Students have no weapons. They just try to ask for democracy, just like the rest of the world. at the same time in 1989, the Berlin Wall came down. East Germany and West Germany united. Communism came down in, dissolved in Soviet Union and Eastern European countries. They left communism states and become a new communist state. China was presented that. Same choice. But Leaders in China took a different turn. It's hard to even imagine for us what that kind of life is like, because we're so free here the communist states, it's like every ten years, They pick an innocent group of people. There's nothing wrong being a landlord, like you probably own your house and stuff, right? Nothing wrong to be educated. There's nothing wrong to be a student. There's nothing wrong to be a Falun Gong. So every decade they pick a group of innocent people and they pocket it so that they create this terror. Yeah. And people self censor themselves. Yeah. And that's how communism continues. And so that's why it's so important for on American Freelance to appreciate the freedoms to preserve the freedom, and to be aware of Communist China is exporting communism on American soil. The Epoch Times published the the Specter of Communism. Ruin the world. Mm-hmm In 2018. Okay. Showing how the Western society have been infiltrated by communisms in educations, in judicial systems, in culture. Yeah. That cancel culture, the the mobilized students in, in, in campuses with violence. And you can see, yeah. It's almost like we live of the cultural evolutions. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So, I'm wondering, one, what does Epoch mean? And, two, what do you guys cover on that channel? Epoch means the great new times. There will be a new, new beginning. New Times, we are focusing on true tradition and hopes. And today, unfortunately, many legacy medias abandoned traditional journalism based on truthful reporting. Many have been influenced by maybe billionaires, maybe by governments, maybe by large enterprises that give them money. And at Epoch Times, what we are different is because we, answer to our subscribers. We are funded by our subscribers through donations and through subscriptions. We are not answering to any governments or any enterprises or any individual billionaires. And it's so important that No Pfizer? No Pfizer sponsorships? No? Okay. We, you know, there's a price paid to to speak up, you know, for example, about the effects, the side effects of the vaccines. But it's important for people to make informed decisions. For us, we respect the intellect of the audience. Let them make decisions. We just provide facts. And the facts are the facts. The truth are the truth. And we do not modify, edit. Because we believe, you know, there's only one source of truth. And if you look at, now people look back. With the COVID 19, we actually booked it in December 2019. So some of our readers changed their flight tickets and returned to U. S. and returned to Europe before And then there are also Americans who bought the N95 mask, which is the effective mask that you use in surgical rooms. There were plenty of those in the pharmacy stores, unlike subsequently when everyone else knew. So think of how many lives were saved because we have readers who wrote half filled thank you notes because people were, their friends scheduled on the same flight would deny them. Change the flight. Yeah. They die of the pandemic. Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah. So it's very sad that we are very committed to provide timely information to our viewers and our readers. And we also provided the emergency preparedness. Infographics. Okay. And because we should be prepared. In particular, in 2025, there may be a lot of unexpected circumstances. It's better to be over prepared. Yeah. Than under prepared. You never know, you never know. It's a wild world, so. Yes, it is. So, on this epoch thing, do you guys have like a kids section, or? Oh, we have puzzles. We have a special. It's called Kids Sessions that we say for the kids and children are the pillars of the future society. And I'm a parent and I mean, I'm so glad that mom and dad let the two of you participate in the interview. That's amazing. You're the youngest host I ever had in an interview, so. And well, great job, boys. And the, we, we actually expanding. Information. And I will also recommend you to check out Ganjing Wall, and which they use artificial intelligence to remove pornography, drugs, and violence, so that it's a clean and pure environment. And our NDTV, we produce a lot of teaching materials. Okay. So, like, from cartoons to animated series. And that's with, like, healthy content. And you can also learn Chinese, you know, unlike the Confucius Institutes, which exported communism on American soil and in Europe the NDTV and Epoch Times, we teach Chinese, too. And I also want to share with you, we have produced the traditional martial arts. We have the grandmasters who have the whole teaching. In English. So you can watch that. And you can learn. It's probably one of the best after school programs. You could have at home. We haven't really spent time in that part of your network yet. So we'll have to check that out. Very cool. Yeah. These kids are involved at a pretty young age. I'm, I'm happy to hear you, give us some encouragement, but we just felt like getting kids to understand what's happening in the world, educated on truth and critical thinking earlier is better and also just to kind of help them navigate difficult or let's say controversial topics before they learn it from some other form of information, whether it be at school or some other medium. Kid on the playground, or social media. So, I felt like if we can get them earlier, then we can work on these things together and really try to make sense of them in, in more of a critical thinking aspect and break things down. And so, we've enjoyed that, and we try to look at both sides of something, and then ultimately, you know, come to a conclusion. And that conclusion typically takes us to more of a conservative framework of values and thinking. And so it's been a fun, it's been a fun journey. We get to meet so many really interesting people. So we're getting to build skills and interviewing and talking and having conversation, right? Yeah. I think both of you are doing phenomenal jobs, hopefully more children and teenagers and others will have the opportunity to do the same things. We'll also have internships at Epoch Times, so welcome, we have students, you know, including high school students, come and do internships, yes. Because traditional journalism is almost an extension. Matt, you talk about traditional values and classical values. We believe, you know, that we are created by the creators. And their tradition and classical culture and values. That should be preserved and transferred to the next generation. And lots of legacy media, pretty much, you know, not defending the tradition. They want to tear down tradition. It's weird. I, I don't I don't get it. I, I, like, maybe I'm crazy, but I think a tradition is a tradition because it's something that's worked. It's something that's worked. And has produced positive and successful outcomes for generations, multiple generations, sometimes thousands of years. And so then people come in and say, well, you're just so traditional. I'm like, well, that's because it works. You know, like, like a nuclear family. Well, that's because it works. That should be the, the standard. And it doesn't mean we can't love and appreciate other people, but like that should be the standard. And so it's it isn't, it's an interesting argument that people bring up. It leads me to something else I wanted to ask you about, it's an advanced topic for kids, communism, Marx, Marxism, Marxist ideologies. And we've had a couple of guests on and we've talked about this. What subsequently I found is a lot of people would come into our social media thread and they're really promoting communism in America. They think it's. It's, they think capitalism is wrong, it's, it's, it's destructive, and it only benefits the rich and all. You know the story. And so there is a massive, amount of, I think mostly Gen Z kids that read a book and they think this is the way. So what do you say to people like that, that think communism and Marxism, it hasn't been done right, but we could do it right, and we have the opportunity to burn America and start new. Like, what do you say to that? So I will highly recommend the audience to see Shen Yun performing art. S H E N Y U N, it's a classical Chinese dance with live orchestra, it's a, a movie, a live theater, and live concert all in one, because it presents culture before communism, so it would be the best experience, because there's three dimensions, you can experience that. And back to your questions, communism is anti Christ, communism is about, Violence. Mm-hmm And it's create chaos. Their survival is by creating chaotic situations. And so if we want world peace, communism should be removed from the world. Right? And the Epoch Times published on November 19th, 2004, like 20 years ago, the Aries of the Communist Party has changed by 440 millions. Chinese Communist Party members and its affiliated organizations members withdrew from the Chinese Communist Party memberships and our 2018 book on the Specter of communism during the world is also showing how communism is infiltrated in the Western world Yeah so those two books will help people understand how the cancel culture and how the violence and those systematic efforts to undermine American democracy, undermine our basic values. There is a Xi Jinping personally instructed a, using social media. Using legacy media and using American judicial system to attack American companies like Shenmue and The New York Times and American citizens. Because communism is like good and evil. Because it is, that is the final war. And we also have a documentary called The Final War. It was a hundred year plan by communistic regimes to conquer the world. That's what they're trying to do. It's so important that we understand what is what's it like without communism. So when you see Shen Yun performing arts, you will experience it. And by the way, it's also a beautiful show. Terms of how it's, you know, infiltrated the West. And hopefully most of the people that I hear as proponents of communism or Marxist ideologies, are smart, they've gone to school and they've read all this and they sit around with their professors and talk about how great it is. It's definitely gotten into the education system. We can get kids thinking critically about it at an earlier age. We can combat this psychological warfare that we have going on. But anyway, we can probably talk about that all day. At any rate, I want to maybe just wrap up and say thank you so much. You've lived the American dream. You've, come from some of the most horrific upbringing and circumstances to doing what you do today as the CEO of Epoch Times. It's incredible. Yeah, for coming. Glad to be on your show.