Programming Lions

Ep.89 Real Talk w/ Trans Woman Jayden

• Matt Morstad • Episode 89

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In this episode of the Programming Lions podcast, hosts are joined by Jayden, a transgender woman who has transitioned since June 2022. Jayden shares her journey, insights, and challenges faced as a trans individual. The conversation touches on topics such as defining transgender, navigating societal acceptance, bathroom and locker room usage, and the impact of trauma on gender identity. The hosts and Jayden explore differing viewpoints, particularly on sensitive issues surrounding sports and protected spaces, encouraging mutual understanding and empathy. This engaging and thought-provoking dialogue emphasizes the importance of open conversations to bridge gaps and find common ground.


00:00 Intro

02:27 Jayden's Transition

04:23 Connecting Through Social Media

10:34 Discussing Transgender Definitions

19:40 Pronouns and Social Perceptions

29:51 Misgendering 

30:38 Generational Differences

31:04 Rise in Trans Identification

31:15 School Experiences and Privacy

31:58 Acceptance

34:26 Social Contagion

36:42 Parental Responsibility

38:51 Gender Euphoria

41:09 Challenges and Acceptance

45:55 Trans Rights and Libertarian Views

50:13 Sports and Fair Competition

52:58 Closing Thoughts and Reflections

56:59 Rapid Fire Questions


Welcome to the Programming Lions podcast. Today we have a special guest, Jayden joins us, a transgender individual who has been following our account and engaging with our content for a while, both in support and as a critic. Ultimately, Jayden reached out and said, you might have a couple things wrong. I'd love to. Connect with you guys and clear the air and maybe, understand a little bit more about how you think. And it was really in good faith. And so that kicked off this discussion. So what you'll find is it's very conversational. We dig into a lot of different topics and while we don't necessarily agree on everything, especially certain elements of transgender ideology, we did. Reach across the aisle and try to understand each other better. And I think that's always a good thing to do. And I hope this can be an example for a lot of people that you may not agree with somebody on everything, but usually when you get together, you find humanity, you find empathy, and you find common ground on things. And that's exactly what we did here. And this was a really enjoyable conversation. One part that was unfortunately missed is after the recording stopped, max and Jaden spent another 20, 30 minutes. Geeking out on football, fantasy football, the upcoming draft, et cetera. And so it was just really cool to see people that you wouldn't necessarily normally connect with finding common ground and common interests and really getting along and having a good time and some laughs. Without further ado, let's get into the podcast.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Jaden, welcome to the show. We're excited to have you on. I wanted to give just a little background on how we met and got connected. So you have been, I dunno, perhaps like a fan and a critic, a little bit of both on our page,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah, I, I guess you could say that.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

you've been following us for a bit and we got some feedback and then you chimed in on a poster two that we made and wanted to get connected and share a little bit more perspective. With us directly. And so we're open to that. We didn't script any of this. So all those naysayers that say we script everything. Well, we didn't script,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

I got no paper. I got no paper right here. Just.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

yeah. So this is intended to be a raw discussion, but you reached out in good faith and we always appreciate that. And we by nature are very curious. And so, it's best if you can learn from, people that are very connected to the space and know a lot about it. And so that's why we're here today. But before we get you know, into some of the questions around all of this would you mind just giving a little bit of intro about yourself and your background?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. So my name's Jayden. I am 53 years old almost 54, so I got another month or so for that. Yes, and I'm a transgender female. And I know some of the definitions like what, what kind of get into that later where things get a little confusing as far as, well, does she really look like a woman or do they really look like a woman in pronouns and all that stuff? And I can, you know, get into my opinions on that. But I started to transition in awe, no, sorry June of 22. Insurance has been a problem with some time, so I kind of had to, it stopped once in a while, but it's been, been pretty much from there. And I've been on HRT that's hormone replacement therapy for the same amount of time. And I, I did happen to watch or listen to the Bobby Dr. Bobby Lancaster. And it was a very, a lot of things she said resonated with me, especially the part where your life's in black and white and then boom comes to color. And that's really how I was, like, I was in a real bad rut and I, I didn't know, and this something's been going on all my life, but it was difficult for me to get there. And, and finally I did get there through some things of, you know, talking to people and kind of understanding where all this was coming from and yeah, so, I mean, but, but it is evolving for me. This is gonna drive conservatives crazy too. But I don't say I'm a finished product now it might be like another few months or another year I decide to either take it further or, or, or maybe, you know, I'm good now or, and, and I'm just being, I'm letting my instincts carry it. And that's been so far, it's been very helpful for me.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Okay. Okay. Well thanks for sharing that and that gives the audience a bit of perspective on where you're coming from in this conversation. As we kick things off before we get into the, transgender topics much you came in contact with our show help me, like what, how did you come in contact with us and what's your take on our channel and show?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah, so it was funny. So the fir, so, I get random, like everyone does, you know, in your reels you just go through your reels and, and one day will and Max packed they popped up with their their values. The, the values didn't allow liberals.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

the conservative kid thing or

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Oh, sorry. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Well, like they, they, they were sitting like on both sides of each other, and one would say one thing they didn't like, and the other would say, the other thing they didn't like, but it was about, it was about liberals and stuff, you know, 1, 1, 1 of'em was like blue hair.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

I remember that.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

1, 1, 1 of them was, was wearing a mask in the car when you're driving. Yeah. Yeah. So, so that was the fir. Okay. And I, I'll, I'm gonna be totally honest with you guys because I just am so like, like I saw that and I'm like, oh my gosh. So, somebody wrote some, somebody actually wrote a comment and said you know, which, which people, which we can get into that too. That's, that's deplorable what people are saying. But, but you know, you know, pe people writing, oh, wait till they get older and you know, they're gonna say this and say that. And I'm like, you know, and, and it for, you know, and it, you know, I was tempted at first'cause I'm like, oh, where are they going with this? Where are they going with this? But I said, you know what, let me look into this a little bit further. Let, let me see what's going on. And what I found was watching the other ones, and you know, I'm, I'll be honest'cause I, I even, I even said this in the messages to you guys. I, I like it because. It allows me to look at things from a different perspective. How you guys do it. It's, it's very consumable, you know, for, for people. Even for, not huge in the politics, it makes me think some of the things that, you know, I watch and I was like, wow, you know, that's a good point. And it makes me reevaluate. It. Does, does it change my mind sometimes? No, but then sometimes it makes me go, well, you know what? Maybe, you know, I should look a little bit differently at that. But, but, but some of the real, real quick, the one with the oh my gosh. The, the Fortnite one

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Yeah.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

A plus, A plus material. I laughed, I laughed out loud.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

like ideated and scripted entirely. The boys were like this whole signal gay thing. Wouldn't it be funny if, if we were playing Fortnite and the chat? The chat,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Their terminology was like, so right on for everything too, like all the wording and, and, and I saw their faces pop up. I'm like, oh my goodness, no, they're not doing that. But that that was just, you know, so I, again, I, I've appreciated you know, really opening my mind to some other concepts and ideas. I like that. So, so that's how I ended up you know, following and and all that. So, yeah, that's how that all started.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Okay. Very very cool. Yeah, that was a fun video we did, right, boys? The, the, that was, remember the Fortnite one? Yeah, it was funny. It was a fun one to make. Yeah. In that case, we were actually mocking, like we do a lot of, I don't wanna say a lot, but I mean we do a decent amount of mocking of, a lot of times we try to mock ideas, not necessarily. Individuals, but in this case we, we mocked signal gate issue with Hegseth and JD Vance and the, the leak, tomahawk, the leak of all that. Yeah. Are you guys in the right chat? So that was,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

that a new IPO? Yeah, it was, it was good. It was just good stuff, man. It was good stuff.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

that was pretty funny. And so we've done that a couple times. Interestingly we get, we, we seem to get negative feedback no matter, you know, what we cover. But and we can get into some of that. Hey, I, I'm, you've seen our comment section and all of that

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Oh man. I, you know, yeah. And, and even if it, it is a video that I don't like necessarily agree with, you know, you're where you're coming from, that's the, the things that people, it just, I,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

People are insane.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

yeah. I mean, it's ter it's like terrible. And I'm, I am sorry you guys have to like, deal with that because. You know, not, not everybody who doesn't see from your point of view is like that. And how it comes off is since those are usually the loudest in the room and most obnoxious in the room, that's the take. Sometimes people get, but you know, I don't want you guys to think that everybody's like that.'cause and liberals aren't always like that either. So

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

It is wild. Some of the stuff we get and we get a lot of direct messages too, and I, I share these with the boys, but we get like people wanting to kill us. Like we, we've, we have people sending us our home address and I'm watching you, and I'm gonna do this to your dad and do this to your mom. And it's,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

wait, they, they, they send you your address.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

yeah. We've been doxed at this point, meaning, you know, I've had my, yeah, like all, all of our information out and shared and we've had, I've had people send me my social security number and.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Oh man.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. And like pretty disgusting threats, to to the level of death and torture. Mm-hmm. He would like, wanna take time just to like bully this family channel who's just trying to get their word out. Yeah. It's so weird. And we know that not everybody agrees with our takes and, and we're learning. We've maybe evolved some of our takes on things and even the, you know, even the, LGBT movement or transgender debate is an interesting one. We talked to Dr. Bobby, we were talking to you today. had this topic on a recent youth round table. And so, there's also a dude about. People switching back. Transgender still? Oh yeah. We, we also had on, I don't know if you saw this one, Jayden, but we had a, a, a gentleman on who, on our podcast Jordan Campbell, who represents Detransition. And he's seen hundreds and hundreds of cases, I'd say hundreds and hundreds, but a few hundred cases that have come to him in that regard.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

I,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

just interesting getting that perspective as well of those individuals.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

I, I, I did listen to that, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. So.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

So, so we're trying to like, understand a lot of things and lately we've also had lengthy conversations with communists and that's interesting too all that aside, did you boys have any, or did you have questions for us, me, the boys, about the, the channel, the way we do things that you wanna start with? And then of course, we have some things we'd love to pick your brain about.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

yeah. Well, I mean, I guess a good way to start because if we are having conversations about it, I guess, how would you all define transgender?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

somebody who was the opposite sex, but eventually wanted to be the other sex,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Okay, yeah. Yeah. So it, it doesn't actually involve you know, getting your nails done or going to therapy or going to surgery. You, you can be transgender and not do any of that. And it seems like you guys have an understanding of that. So I, I just wanna make sure, because if we're using that word a lot. If you have an idea of, you know, I, I just want us to be on the same plane when we're talking about that word. Otherwise it could get kind of confusing as far as that is concerned. But as far as anything else, it just sometimes the, the tone, the tone seems like that you guys don't, don't really like transgender people too much. And it's sort of like, it comes from it, it almost seems like it's used sometimes to make another point. And it just sort of like, like to, to, to me it kind of feels like piling on. And that's just kind of like how, how I feel about it. And, and I know I, I went kind of, I went kind of nuclear in the one video though. It was the it was the pancake one. I don't know why that one put me over the edge. That one put me over the edge because I, I just wanted to see, because, because I, I hear Max saying this you know, li liberals don't under, and I don't mean to put you on the spot, max. I'm just, you know, whatever. You don't, we.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

it's fine.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

But you know, like he, he's saying li liberals don't understand what, what women are yet, yet we're concerned about their, their rights and, and all that. So, it's just it's just, it's just inaccurate and

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

yeah, yeah. Well, maybe, and Max, like you, you yeah. Why don't you describe your intent behind that video? Yeah. So basically me and my dad, so he, we were on Instagram together. We were just like saying together. And then next thing you know, this video popped up where this guy was at a protest for women's rights. And then he asked one of the, like a group he was like, what is, define like what a woman is? And then you're like, well, I don't know. So then that's really what intended us to do the video. So, yeah.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

yeah. Okay. I mean, I.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

To give you more context like when you see somebody, for example, at a, a protest for women's rights and then a reporter says, well, what, so what is that? What are you fighting for? And they say, I don't know. I can't define it. And so, at least at a minimum you think that the people going to the march would be pre like pre-registered in terms of I, I could be asked this question, I should be able to define what it is that I'm fighting for, or the type of individual and their rights that I'm fighting for. And so it seems like very ironic, whatever that, that people at the protest don't even know how to define what it is they're representing.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah, that's bad.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

that's essentially what we're making. So we're not making, just to be clear, we're not making fun of people. We empathize and I think we care about people, but it's so strange when, when ask somebody what they're fighting for and they don't know.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. No, I, I agree with that. And that's, and that's good actually context for the video.'cause I,'cause I do understand that more yeah, I mean, so, so I, I mean probably a lot of these is, is more of again, it's nothing personal what you're saying. You're just kind of bring it to the forefront or what have you, you know, because, because, I mean, Matt, you, you, had you transitioned to Centar, have you, have you, have you have you det transitioned? Because, because you, you look a little different right now.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

I know, I know, right? Well, and, and we should, let's, this would be actually fun to get your take on some of this because you said, well, again, like we're not trying to offend you here, but actually I, I think it's really valuable to get your perspective directly on some of the videos that we put out because we aren't necessarily trying to mock or offend individuals. However, some of the the concepts or the logic around it, we find v like very con confusing. Okay. So, there's the idea of being transgender and I've put out a couple of videos where I was trans species, right? I was, I was now centar. I'm like, I feel half horse, half man. And and I'm centar and my pronouns are centar and that didn't go over very well with the community. I've also put out one that was, I'm trans age

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Oh yes, I.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

snar. Yes. I said, I'm trans age and I expect to be collecting my social security. And so, and, and what it is, so that I could provide some context. It's really, it's, it's an extension of these same ideas into other areas. Like you could say trans race, trans age trans species. And so I know it's this like questionable slippery slope argument maybe. But there is, there is a universe where that same logic could be applied. Like you hear people on the, on the age topic for example, hear people that are that are young at heart or their old souls. And so who's from saying that you, you, you can't have a body dysmorphia with the way that you feel and your actual age, right? And so then you can extend that into well, I'm. I'm chrono queer. I don't abide by the structural standards of, age or pornography. And so therefore, I as the age that I feel instead of this, you the, this biological age. And so I'm just like that that was the question that I was gonna ask you is like, how do you feel about, like, how that logic translates into other things, and is that a, is that a risk?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, when, when people were talking about that there were litter boxes in, in schools because, because kids were claiming that they're a cat. Is that, is that what you're referring to and things like that, or?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Boys. We saw furry just the other day, right? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That was wild ice cream. Yeah. I think the, the, the litter box in schools has been largely debunked, but furries are a thing. We, we just literally saw one at the ice cream store the other day girl who came in as a, a cap. Yeah, it was a hybrid. I think it was like a fox and a raccoon. Yeah. Her tail didn't match the top. It was kind of a, but anyway

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

I, I mean, yeah. Yeah.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

So I, those, those are some of the posts that we've put out, and I understand how that those can offend people. But I've, I've done, like the trans age thing, I also did one around. If I remember I did one around non-binary. I was like, yeah, so if you're non-binary,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

You're actually binary.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

not coning to a system that is, that is binary or non-binary. So by definition you're still binary and, and you know, like obviously like people were

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Y

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

happy about that either, so.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah, I mean, from, for me, since I am a trans person, I I like to give more I guess latitude for, for things like that. Even though, like inside and my mind, I might be like, well, I don't know about that. But if I expect people to give res, you know, respect to me, then I wanna at least respect them and, and, and find out, you know, what's, what's going, you know, why, you know, why they feel that way, or just have a conversation with them. I don't, I don't wanna judge in, in, in a way to be like, oh, well, you know, you can only, it only, it only counts if it's this, because that's, that's hypocritical and that's not fair. But I, I think where a lot of this is coming from is that our pre of the United States, he he, he, he pretty much eliminate. He, he said, I don't exist anymore. And he said a whole bunch of other people don't exist anymore. And it's now LGB. So obviously the mess, obvious the message from the most powerful person in the world is that, is that I don't exist anymore. And I think, and I'll be honest, yeah, I not, I think it, it, I, I think it builds up after a while where like I'm seeing a lot of different things and, and that's my issue really. If I'm getting upset by watching, you know, different things on Instagram, and then I need to monitor my time appropriately because that's, that's my issue. But at the same time I think that's, that's where a lot of the frustration comes in. Where we we're, we're being told over and over and over again, we don't exist. You know, whatever we're, we're done. And then. We see some other stuff that, that feels like piling on. And then that, that's for me, that's where the frustration comes in. And and, and I'm just speaking for myself on that, but I, I'm sure there are others that feel.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. And I can, I can definitely empathize with that. And I can say this I, I, well, I'm not trying to hurt anybody's feelings when we put out some of these posts or the boys on anything that we react to. On the other hand, it's, it's, it's like some of the we struggle, we, we struggle with, and we can, we can get into more of that, but like some of the logic we struggle with in terms of like how to define these things. But your point around e existence and, and really, so we might see it a little bit differently where, and I'm not saying I agree or disagree with what Trump is doing in terms of removing the TQ from the, the acronym in federal documents I think my understanding of the intention is that they're trying to re remove this, this compelling of new language and terms into society and bring that sort of back, back to like central. And so in general, I think people look at it like, well, you're, you're gay or you are lesbian or maybe bi. And so there's the LGB, and then people who want to present as more masculine or feminine, like kind of do your thing. But let's not make up new terms for this sort of like infinite spectrum between hyper masculine and hyper feminine. Let's just let people be who they are. I think that's more of the intent around it. And what are, like, how do you see that versus having like unique terms for the. This.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

I mean, let me, well, okay. Well, I mean, how, how are we defining feminine? Right? I, I know I've known many women. Some are more feminine than others. Some are maybe, maybe considered more masculine. People have an idea of what a woman should be, right? Are, are what a woman, you know, you, you, you see someone, they say, okay, well that one, that, that, that, that person is a woman, because that's what I believe in, be a woman. But it doesn't necessarily mean it, it, it may not be a, a woman you're used to seeing. They can still be a woman. And it's, it's difficult too because one of the things about like growing up and kind of not knowing where you're at is, is searching for labels. Like labels are important because if you've never had one, you, you kind of want one. Because you, you're, you're not, you're not, you never had a place to put yourself, you know, you never knew like where, where you belong and such. So that's where some of this language comes where these kind of a little bit what you're talking about, you know, we're adding in letters and, and different things like that. But of course LGB is a sexual orientation, which is a lot different from transgender.'cause transgender and sexual orientation are, are not, not relatable. No, they're not related at all.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's a good, that's a valid point. So heard that there are a lot of terms nowadays and I'm, I feel like to be like mad or not to but I feel like sometimes you need to like a dictionary.'cause I don't know what these terms mean. So like, how can we like, keep these simple.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

No, I, I get it. I don't know some of'em either, to be honest with you. You know, there, there is some new ones coming out that begin with the ZRX. I'll be honest with you, I didn't know where, where people are going with that. But my take is it's, it's people trying to feel comfortable about themselves. Like it's people trying to fit in somewhere. It's people that's trying to find something. As, as unusual as it may sound to us and I'll say us, because I'm, I don't, I don't. I don't know a lot of those other ones it provides comfort for them. It provides comfort because now they have a place and, and kind of what I alluded to before, if you don't have a title or, or name to call yourself, it's, it's lonely. You know, you, you don't, you don't know where to go. And it just sort of like, well, where do I fit in? And people will do that to to, to help themselves fit into it. As far as your question, to kind of make things a little bit easier. Well, I, I guess Deez already did that, so, you know, I mean, somebody can say that personally about what they feel about themselves, but as far as the country's concerned, right, that, you know, it's male, it's it's male female. But something else if, if somebody ever does say, you know, to you, oh, I'm, I'm ex I'm what have you, it's okay to ask them and be like, Hey, is it okay if I ask you, you know, what that means? I'm not too sure. And then you can kind of formulate your own opinion of it and, and see what it is. So does that make sense for that answer kind of.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

I think it, it does seem yeah, new terms are kind of getting added to the pronoun spectrum frequently. And we, for example, we had a discussion with some some other younger people the other day, and. They're, you know, referring to me as cis, cis man, and I, and I don't know, like, why can't I just, why? I didn't ask to be called cis. I don't know. Why can't you just, why does that have to be a thing? Why, why? You know, why cis, why can't, why, why do, why does everybody that doesn't identify an LGBT? Have to get a new name too.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

That's kind of a funny point. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it, but it, it's for conversational sake and usually it's used, although I have seen it spread, it's, it's usually more used in circles. If I'm talking to other trans people or if I'm talking to somebody else about the subject, then yeah, this would come up. But I have noticed it popping up in just articles I'm reading and I'm thinking, you know, are does, are, people may not even know what this means or you know, what it is. So, I mean, I get, I get that part of it, but the reason why I feel that's there is to help you know, separate the one from the other when you're talking about the two different people. But I do understand Yes. Yeah. What you, you can ask for a label. So why, why do you have to, why do you have that?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

feels like we, so, like that term came up and the boys were like, what is sis? What does that mean? So we, we had to go kind of go over that and and now we, we understand. But yeah, to me it feels like if somebody wants a unique label and wants to identify with that unique label, that's good for them. But do we need to have everybody else sort of comply to a similar standard? That seems like a little bit too far. And I, and I think that that's the, that's an area that, people do get angst over. And, you know, and we are outwardly conservative in terms of our values and, and everything, but it's like when, when. One's rights infringe on another. That's where we start getting like a little bit of angst. And so what, what, for example, like thou shalt put pronouns in your bio that that is not, it's not legally or re required in a lot of places, but I will say from like personal experience working in a business, it was highly encouraged. Which essentially like means if you don't do it, then you run the risk of being that person at the, at the company that's you didn't put your pronouns in the bio, like you're a bad person. So you get labeled as now a bad person because you don't do that. And so it's essentially required even though it isn't legally or required. And, and, and, and of course we know that if a, a lot of those in the LGBT community had their way, like pronouns would be a requirement. And so like what are, what are your thoughts about pronouns? I'm curious.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

I care about it probably the least. To be honest, like I really don't care for me personally. I know for a lot of people it's very, very important. You know, if somebody calls me it, it's, and it, yeah, I mean, if somebody calls me like it says ma'am or whatever, I'm like, oh, okay, I guess I'm, I'm looking pretty good today or something. And then if they call me, sir I'm fine with it because, you know, I'm, I, even though I'm trans woman, I have, I feel more masculine, you know? So I can see why people would understand that. I don't understand people kind of losing it over the fact that somebody misgenders them. I, I, I went to visit a friend last summer and she had the trans son and I knew her son. When, when, when, when he wasn't son. You know, when, when, when he was identified as as female and last summer. And, and even though I'm, I'm where I'm at, I misgendered him a couple times because I knew him as young, younger girl. I was difficult.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

memory was conditioned to

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

yes. It just, and, and you don't even think about it, it just pops out. But then for example, my, my doctor I go to is trans trans man, but I've only seen him as a trans man. I would never think of calling him a woman. Like it doesn't would pop into my mind or what have you. But I like, I, I just think there, there should be. A little more understanding about that and under, you know, understand, hey, you know, it's, and especially for me you know, I was very, I was, I was a little bit older when I, you know, pursued this. And you know, all, all my friends have been great about it. It's super great. But you know, it's, it's the understanding. Sometimes whatever, you know, somebody might say something like that, and I don't, honestly, I don't care. I just tell people, you know, just, you, you, you can call me what you want. You know, as far as that's concerned that, that doesn't bother me. But I know for some people it is, it is a a hot button topic and I don't

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

can, I can say it's generally, I think people are trying to be polite in life. People want to be polite and they want to be respectful. And so I can say for us, like if somebody changes their name, I had somebody work for me, for example, that transition and this

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Oh, wow.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

changed their name from a masculine name to a more feminine name they're like, this is my name. Okay. Call you by, you know the name that you wanna be called that. That's just how it worked. so I think generally, like people are fine with that and wanna be polite, but also there's this like anxiety that cis people have about, oh, did I misgender them? And oh, I'm now a bad person. And you, they feel like you're walking on eggshells. I honestly think like there's this sliver of the population that just gets really bent outta shape if you say the wrong thing or you reference somebody the wrong way. It, it's not necessarily intentional, but it happens. so then those are the types of issues that you see. They blow up, they go up on social media. I was misgendered. But generally, I think in the people that we've talked to in the trans community, they're just like, oh, it happens. Like it's, it's, fine. We'll, maybe correct you, but you know, we're not gonna hold grudges and we understand. And it sounds like that's kind of the same place that you're coming

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

But yeah, no, no, absolutely no, I, I see the things on Instagram where someone's like. Oh, I was misgendered. And you're like, look, if you look at the video and you're like, well, I can see that. You know, you know, I just, I don't know. I just think it'd be a little more, people need to have a little more patience and understanding where other people are coming from. Because, because if, if we expect people to be like, oh, you know, if we want them to understand us, we should understand from their point of view, this is, this is different. This, you know, we, we weren't ready for this and now this is what we're doing. So I, I think it's gotta work both ways.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

So I'm curious because I've heard dad, you and like mom in your guys' day, right? There are no trans people in your schools, right? Right. It was just like, or like straight people. Mm-hmm. But now when me, and with me and vax, right? We see trans people. Or not, or people that are turning like more feminine or sometimes a little bit more masculine lot more often than what you guys have described, right? Mm-hmm. So I'm curious to ask you about why do you think the number of children has gone up? The, the becoming trans?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah, that, that, that's a good question. First of all, did, do you guys have a bathroom stall doors? Where in, in your schools? Because,'cause we we didn't have those either. Matt did. You did, did you have stall doors for your toilets?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

No, we, in fact, it was, I mean, I,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Right.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

You and I are similar in age, so I. didn't have stalls on a lot of our bathrooms and our shower systems were like a pole with a, a number of showers around them. So we all, we, we'd all shower completely naked together in gym class and after athletics or sports events and everything. And today, yes, it's much different. They have stalls. Boys, you can describe it, but you have stalls and

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Wait with doors on. Okay. Yeah, sorry, I, I just, I wanted, that just brought me back when you said back to my school days. So yeah, you're right. When I was in high school, like there might be some guys that you're kind of like, oh yeah, they're probably gay. You know, like just kind of how they act or whatever. But, you know, back then there wasn't, internet wasn't around or wa you know, you could go to the library, try to do some research and, and things like that. Now the information is it's out there. People can kind of figure it out and it is a lot more accepting. There's no way in high school I would've been, no way. I mean, it, it, it wouldn't, it wouldn't have, it would've ended. Well, I mean, I was gonna say it like that, it just wouldn't ended well. So there, there wasn't really an, an option for that. I, I do think there is a component to where some people might see people they admire or maybe like offended theirs, and they happen to see the, they're trans and they might be like, oh, and, and they may not even know yet. Like they might be, you know, 12, 13, 11, but not really have a even an idea of that. But it seems oh, this is the way to go. My friends like this so I can, I.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

social ish

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

yeah, yeah, what I think most of it is that there's just more information available and people are able to, to, instead of putting themselves in a box or what have you, they're like, well, okay, I'm actually a little more of this than that, and I don't really identify as, you know. A boy completely. But you know, this, this is what I'm feeling a little bit over here. So, that, that, that wasn't how we were brought up. It wasn't like you, you, you, you were what you were, and if you did something that wasn't necessarily within your gender or what it should be, you're, you're often corrected or someone's gonna say something to you about it. So it, it's a little bit of both, I think. I, I don't, I don't mean to be wishy-washy that answer, but I really do think it's a little bit of both as far as that's concerned. But, but there definitely is having that knowledge. It's it's allowed people to feel more comfortable it coming out.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

It, it makes sense that. It would be a bit of both. And so I appreciate you like acknowledging that. It, it is probably a little bit of both. We had, as you know, Dr. Bobby Lancaster on our podcast and she said the same kind of things. It's well there's definitely like a, a major component that is acceptance. Like people feel more comfortable because there's community and there's support and you can be your true self without as, as much backlash or risk maybe as, as it would've been decades ago. But then there's also things like, oh, I like you. Some people call it social contagion, but you could call it rapid onset gender dysphoria. And this is actually happening a lot in young females right now where they're at an as adolescent age. And they hadn't presented previously a strong desire to be the opposite sex, but then they start hanging out with the new crowd and all of a sudden they do. And so that would be more of like a social thing. And so there are, there are, are some, I think, legitimate concerns in that regard because it used to be, and, and you, you probably know the data on this, but I'll speak of this, it might be a little bit off, but it's largely, it used to be around 90% of new trans identifying individuals were men identifying as women. And now to, in today or in the last couple of years, it's, it's changed completely flipped where 75% females transitioning to. Being trans men. And most of that comes from girls that are, just say largely in a susceptible range, right? They're developing and they're trying to figure out life, and they, they got friends and their social media, and there's all these things going on. And so I think for those reasons, there's, there's a lot of skepticism in well, what is the rate between acceptance and social pressure? Right? I don't know the answer, but I, I think, I think it's fair to say that there is some of both. I just don't know like what the ratio is.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. I mean, I mean, I, I don't know. Are we talking about people? I, I, I think it's one point to say that this is what somebody might be feeling at this right now, but I don't, I don't feel like there's a whole bunch of people who are who are trying to be like other people or have you going in there and trying to get, you know, surgery and, and gender, like HRT and all that stuff. I, I mean. I don't have any numbers on that, but I, I would, I would be surprised if it got to that point. When, when, when he I did, and I did also listen to the the, the pod, the, the one thing just I wasn't sure about was he said people were going in and, and some people were getting surgery done. And I was like, and, and I, I, I looked that up'cause I wanted to fact check that. And yes, there, there is a certain number. But then, but then I say we're the parents you know, I, I, there during Trump's address to Congress, there was there was a mother who stood up and her, her child was transitioning at school and, and, and she had no idea.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Yeah.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

I, I mean, that's, that has to be a pretty uninvolved parent in my, in my opinion, like to, to not know that any of that stuff's going on. And then, okay, go ahead. We're gonna blame, we're gonna blame the school and we're gonna blame all this because my child obviously could talk to you, but not me. So, you know, there's, there's that too. You know, now.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Yes. that's a, I think that's actually a really fair point in terms of there is a lot of, I. I don't know frustration, let's say I see on social media, or you hear, especially from the conservative movement about parents saying that their kid transitioned without knowledge or the school didn't tell them about it. And I agree with you that there's gotta be some level of you're disconnected if my child going through this much sort of mental anguish and challenges in their life and I don't notice it and I'm not going outta my way to the teacher what they're seeing at school and anything like that before it gets to the point where the school obfuscates my, you know. Parental sort of authority and lets the kid kind of go this route on their own without telling me. Yeah, it seems like there's something broken there. Like the, the parent has a level of responsibility there that they're missing out on, and so I completely agree with that. simultaneously, I would agree that like the school should be telling the parents about these things so that they're it's their child, right? It's like it's

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Oh no, I, I would agree with that. I would agree with that also, for sure.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

These things aren't always cut and dry as you know, there's a lot of nuance in any of these issues, and so there's, there's definitely like parent responsibility, there's school responsibility. And so we're on this topic of children, or let's, let's, if we define a child as 18 or under, let's say under 18. Under 18, what are your thoughts about that? And you like. Actually, before we get to that, could, could we get a little, a little, maybe a little bit more background on your story? So you said you struggled with your identity for a long time. You transitioned in 2022, and you are feeling more like liberated since you've, you've done this. How, at what point in your life did you have these tendencies or feel like I'm just not in the right, like body or frame?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

So when I was like I think the earliest I remember is eight years old and I was obsessed with nail polish and I would like, when my parents weren't there, I'd sneak into the room and I'd take some of my mom's nail polish and put it on and like the the best way to say it, the, what I felt when I did that was did you talk about gender dysphoria and stuff? That that was gender euphoria. And I just always, and from that point till all my, like I was always collecting some kind of nail polish or whatever. I wasn't, I wasn't, I was, I didn't want to wear it out or whatever.'cause I wasn't to that point, you know, to do that. But but that was something that was always with me. You know, I I, I had some female female attire that I'd buy once in a while or, you know, I, I did some makeup, not a lot, but some, and it just made me feel like, it just made me feel right, you know? I mean, I, since, since I've been on, been on HRT, I have grown breasts, so I have breasts now. And some would say like when I look in the mirror, it's not oh wow, that's like new or whatever. It's so it's like it was always there or like it was always supposed to be there. So when I see myself now, it's it's that that's the way it should be, as opposed to what I was looking at before.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Okay.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

And, and that's, and that's kind of how that all went through. So, to, to kind of, to kind of answer your question a little bit better I mentioned, I wasn't like doing my nails or anything like that in public, but then had a vacation. I came up at work and I said, ah, you know what, I'm just gonna get'em done. And then, you know, by the end of the week I'm gonna get'em off. And after I got'em done and the week's going by, I'm thinking, you know what? I can't get these, I don't wanna take'em off. So I decided, hey, you know, I'm gonna go to work with these and we'll see where we're gonna see where it lands. I would rather deal with that than going there and getting these taken off. That, that's, that's to the point. And you know, one of the things too, d dr dressing like this out, I mean, I, I'm in Virginia, so like Northern Virginia, so it's. Fairly liberal, but sometimes it's not so liberal

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Mm-hmm.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

and you know, you it, it takes a certain, you it, it's not easy to do. I'm just gonna say it's not always easy to do. But,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

I imagine, yeah.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

but, but I'll flip it to this it'd be more difficult for me to not do it if you know what I mean. In my mind if I didn't do it, if if I said I'm not gonna go out there because I'm worried what they're gonna say, I'm gonna be upset with myself because I'm not living, I'm not living me, I'm not being me anymore. Now, now I'm being what, what all, all they want. And you know what, I did that for my first 50 years. I was what all they wanted before, but you know, now, now it's different and and yeah, no, I get looks, I get side eyes, I get this stuff. I, I was really sensitive at first about it. But as you kind of go through it, you kind of care less and less and, and you get, you know, even more you know. Well, you know, you, you, you're just feeling better about yourself, more confident about yourself'cause of being who you are. And that's such an important thing and, and, and what, when, how this opens up and, and, you know, to Bobby's Dr. Bobby's point about the going for black and white to color. I mean, that's, that's a perfect analogy that it was for me too, where I was, I was enjoying work, you know, I, I used to despise work, but now it's oh, all right. You know, work's pretty good. And,'cause I just, I just had a better attitude about everything and it just, it, it, I, I wouldn't say it cured a lot, you know, a lot of the things going on, but it, it really made things a a lot better for me and I'm so happy about it.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Okay. That's, well, I'm happy for you that,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Thank you.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

happy. That's good. Can I ask about, did, did you have any tr trauma in your early life, childhood, or anything that you think may have, I don't know, had an influence on this?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Well, I mean, I, I do bel I mean, it's, it's, it's a biological thing that's, that's happening. You know, it's, it's, you know, and you know, that, that's always been something that kind of popped in my mind once in a while. Because yeah, I mean, my, my dad was a, was a raging alcoholic, it wasn't good. I mean, it wasn't good. Oh. Oh, sorry. Okay. I hit my mouse. I moved you guys. Sorry. Yeah, it wasn't a good situation to be in. And, and my mom, she had, when she was younger, she dealt with an alcoholic mom who ended up, you know, dying in a fire and she had to take care of all of her, her brothers. And now she's married to this person who was an alcoholic. And it was a very, I mean, to to to say it was it was a mess. You know, it, it was a mess going on over there. So, you know, my, my mom did the best she could, but it was, it was not, it, it wasn't easy. So that, those are the thing that, that's the thing I can say really just not having I guess what you'd say a childhood with a family, you know, you know, you know, for, for me, family construct's such a weird thing because now it's just my mom, my brother and I, and, and we all live in different, you know, different places. But, but what we all keep in touch, I hear about people with these big families and I, I'm jealous, I have to admit.'cause it's seems kind of, you have a lot of more people maybe that you get that, that are on your side, you know?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Support network with family and yeah.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah, so I mean, definitely, you know, I, I definitely had that going on and you know, it wasn't, it wasn't easy and I've, I've suffered through, you know, depression and anxiety as well.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. Well, I'm so sorry to hear that, obviously. And I just, I ask because there's, there in my personal anecdotal experience, talking to, you know, several people from, from this community, I've, I asked that because I trying to correlate is, is, does trauma have some impact on one's. Gender identity and preferences and things like that. Is it an outlet? Right. Is it a community they can get a part of because they didn't have that community at home or,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

I.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

don't really know. But I'm not a, I'm not a psychiatrist a, or a doctor in that regard, but it's it's a curious, like correlation to me.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. And, and just, and just, just real fast too, I, I've kind of had theories on it. Yes. I do feel it's something that's innate and biological in me, but I think it was held by the fact that maybe, and this is just, I'm spit balling here, but I saw, I, I, I saw what kind of man my father was. Right. So maybe for me, in my mind, somewhere, especially when I was younger, things got well, you never want to be like that. And then maybe it got into that, you know, he's a male. So there there's a lot of things. Yeah. There's a lot of things to it. You know, I, I, I wish there was something where people can just say, you're trans, you're not trans. It's, it's a lot. And, and that, that's why I, I say for me, I'm always evolving. I, I can't say I'm to be exactly the same in a year. Maybe I will, maybe I won't. But like I said, I just follow my instincts on it.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Okay. Okay. Fair enough. Boys, what other questions did you have? Well, I have a question about, so since like, how do I like really say this, but like what are you guys like fighting for as trans people and what are you guys fighting for? What kind of rights? Yeah, what kind of rights?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

We just wanna live our lives, man. Like we just wanna be able to, I. Be who we are. And there's a lot of impediments to that, and there's getting even more impediments to that. And we just that's, that's what we want. I've, I have some trans friends as well, and, and we're just trying to go to the store and be, and just be who we wanna be, you know, and not have to worry about, you know, what the government's gonna do next or, or whatever what laws you're trying to pass in Texas where, you know, it's you, you can't dress like a woman if you're a guy or just, it's just all this stuff. You guys can hop in if I'm missing something on that, but I, I don't think it's that the trans community's asking for that much just to be, just to be recognized unless you guys see, see something different. I, I, you can, you can definitely question me on it.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. I think from our perspective, and boys correct me, but like we are generally like conservative to libertarian and we feel like people can and should be able to live freely the, the way that they wanna live and the way that they wanna be or the way that they wanna present themselves even.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Up to a point where they infringe on somebody else's rights. Now, if you, if there's an infringement on somebody else's rights, then that's where, yeah, that's when, that's where things get sticky. And so at least from us, I'd say we, we will, yes, in some of our clips, like we'll have some edgy content that might that might criticize views of the community. However, in terms of like rights, and I can't speak for all conservatives, but we would say that none of this we have angst with outside of areas where others rights are perhaps infringed. So that would be things like sports. spaces for that are maybe, you know, protected or were intended to be protected for females. And with adults it's a little bit, it's a little bit different, but when I think of like young girls in a middle school or high school locker room and a biological male coming in there, I, and so I want to be sensitive to the fact that this trans individual is going through and they're trying to find their way, but also there's all the, the biological females in the locker room that might not, you know, be up for this. Okay. So, the, the, I think those are, and I don't know boys I think those are, I think the two areas that we would say we have angst over that we wanna make sure that we're not infringing and we're protecting the rights and, and equality for people in those areas. Mm-hmm.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Well, I mean it, as far as the restrooms are concerned I mentioned my doctor trans man. We, we would not want him walking into a, a woman's room because he does not look like a woman.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Mm-hmm.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

That, that's gonna cause more problems than, than anything else. This idea that like trans people are trying to either, I don't know, look at people in the bathroom or whatever. It's, and, and again, there I, there's gonna be exceptions, so I can't say, you know, I risk, but.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

you know, bathrooms that have individual stalls and stuff. I think one could have a reasonable argument. This is a public place like assaults and weird things don't really happen in public places like that. And so that might be fine. I, I, I guess like I see it more in terms of locker rooms. I mean, you hear for example, the Riley Gaines story of, hey, we were dressed to go compete in the swim event and this six four individual comes in and changes right next to me completely you.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

about, you know, she's in college, however, like you think about that for girls down to middle school age, that could be a little bit hard for some of them to grasp and understand. And so I'm sensitive to that.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

And then I'm, and I think also just sensitive to athletics where there might be a distinct advantage you could, you could argue, I think that there's a lot of sports and activities that s biological sex may not have an advantage, but there certainly are others, you know, there track field combat sports, things like that, that it's gotta be really, you know, really careful. And there, there could be maybe medical levels or limits that we could put on this, but that requires a lot of regulation. And so those are areas where, yeah, I'd wanna I'd wanna be fair in protecting biological women from unfair advantages that might come into their space. Mm-hmm. So what, what's what's your take on that?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

For the, for the sports. It's a safety issue. It's a competitive issue. And just, and just leave it at that. There, there, there isn't any way that you can take certain people who might be a little bit bigger and say, no, you, you can't compete. You, you're trans, you can't compete, but you're too big. But, but you're trans and you compete. You're too small. It has to be a border down the line. And that's where I would side side with you guys on. And I would just say, yeah, it's, it's a safety issue. It's a competitive issue and that's. You know, and, and that's it. Now, I mean, I, and, and I've, I ran, I ran cross country and track and college and stuff, so I was into sports and all that. I was always thinking like even, even if I decided to transition you know, I had, you know, surgeries and things like that I wouldn't wanna run under the female name on that because of the things that you're talking about. And it just, it, it, I I would feel like I would, I was cheating and not being you know, forthright with myself and the other people. That's to, to me, that just. Would I, it wouldn't sit well with me. I mean, I, I do understand it in the schools where it's a little bit different, but, you know, I mean, if, if you think about it like the soc in soccer, what if you're under 12? It's mixed anyway under 11.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Max plays flag football right now, max, you're 11 and in flag football you have girls and boys playing, right? Yep. Yeah. And yeah, and that seems like fine because they're, they're also like also not at a size where they're really gonna be hurting each other. It's also, this is not a contact sport, I think around puberty

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah, absolutely.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

getting more dicey.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. And I mean, I, and, and I can understand where the person in high school, if they're trans, would want to be. But, but, but there has to be an under, there has to be a, a common sense understanding that, yeah. Safety. I mean, safety is a concern for sure. That's 100%. And then also you, you, you wanna keep it competitive for everybody. And that, that, that's a competitive, unfair advantage. So, if it was something else that was given somebody unfair competitive advantage, they wouldn't allow it.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

I think we can do you have other questions for us? Otherwise, I got a couple of closing things and we can start kind of

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

No, no, I, no, I just wanna say, you know, you guys do make me think a lot and I appreciate it. And and, you know, the, the, the boys aren't, they're incredible on the mic man, and on the, on the, the camera and all that. It is just so I, I don't know if that's a natural thing or what have you. I it must be, are they? I don't know, but they just sort of, I don't know. Their facial expressions are really good and yeah. Yeah.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

appreciate that. I appreciate that. Well, it's, it's been great getting to know you. I I appreciate you reaching out and taking interest and digging a little bit deeper on all this. I think we learned a lot from you, and anytime you, you connect with people who are going through stuff and everything, it it brings empathy to the situation. It personalizes everything. Right? And so I, for me, that's always valuable. And I think it's also valuable to just show we're not we're not ill-intentioned people, but sometimes I understand how things that we might put out come across negatively. So with that, last question is, what do you think we could change in our approach that would garner more, likability in, in your, your community?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

I find the, the Thursday night, the Thursday night group is. Fantastic. So I'm just wondering maybe if if, if some, some way if I, I think if more kids found out that that was a thing, I mean, ma Max did the video, like we're, we we're being compared to the foodie voice. What you guys bring is so much more depth and so much more just, just, just conversations and the things that honestly matter and, and, and, and the guests you have on there is spectacular too. I, I'm impressed. I'm impressed with everybody.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

we have a couple of really smart, we have one like smart communist and a smart liberal, It's funny because like sometimes we'll get comments from people like, oh, that liberal kid roasted you on this or that. I personally am not offended. Like is an an example. He's been a really a, a, a consistent and a sharp contributor on that thread. He's smart and he is he's well prepared.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yes.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

and would rather my kids be introduced to someone like that than some doofus, some doofus on the left Right. That can't articulate their points because what's gonna better pressure test your ideas in if you go up against a doofus or somebody who's like really well equipped.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Yeah,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

So, so I don't know. Like

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

true.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

I wish people would appreciate that more that we're, you know, throwing the kids into, not into the lion's den, but we are trying to challenge not just the my kids, but and others to I. To really have a forum of ideas that we can explore together. And I think we, that's, that's how we all learn.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

You have to be fair to your ideas and truth to your ideas. And I said like part, part of the reason why I think I took like that I was, I, I went kind of, kind of nuclear that day is just because I think it's the overall thing. It's not like just one thing. I think it's the stuff that's happening out there in society and there's things like that. But then, but, but then it almost feels from my point of view, it feels like it's pouring on oh God, you know, now, now we have to see this, and now we have to see that. I always look at things like lesson, like every day I'm learning something new, and this is a good lesson for me to look at that and say, okay, well. Don't take things personally, like this is what's going on. And and yeah, and I appreciated the conversation'cause that really kind of, that cleared a lot, you know, for what I was thinking and just kind of seeing like what, what the intentions were and yeah. So I feel I, I feel a lot better about it actually now. And I appreciate you guys being so honest and forthright.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Well good, I appreciate that. Look, thumbs up from Max. I love it. Well, hey, that's a great point to maybe close out on. So thanks so much for coming on the show. It means a lot to us. We had I think, a lot of dialogue. We opened a a, of doors of controversial issues and the more people can talk about this, I think it's really, it's better, it's better for everybody. So I appreciate that and I appreciate you being a consistent sort of voice in our channel. That's

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Thank you. That, oh, do, do I get a speed round? I, I heard people get speed rounds.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Oh, oh. Rapid Fire.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Oh yeah.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

you're missing out. Alright, well, I don't have it on. All right. Well, you know him, you know him by heart now, max,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Oh, I know one. I know one. I know one. Okay. What, what kind of what kind of superpower would I want? It, it would be whatever superpower Trigon has

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Trigon, you saw Trigon, you saw the Trigon video.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

that, that one. Okay. The, I'd say the Fortnite one, and that one was, I laughed, I laughed so hard on that one too. I, and, and I know it's kind of against the conservatives, so people are thinking, well, that's why you found it funny. No, I would've found that funny either, either way.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

Trigon was pretty funny. Wait, Matt, that was, what power does Trigon have? I don't know. He is a

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

I don't know. I, but, but, but he looks like he, he must have a good one. He pretty, you know,

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

he's massive. Yeah, he's some kind of super villain, but Max, yeah, max found Trigon and we, yeah, that was a fun post.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

that was a good one.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

any other rapid fire? Any other rapid fire ones? Max, come on. Yes. All right.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Oh, shoot. Here we go.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

I fight 1000 pound duck or 1001 pound ducks? That means one big duck or 1000 little ducks.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Oh, dang. Well, I have to go back to my video games and how I'd prefer, oh, man, you know what I'm gonna, I, I'm gonna go for the little ones. I'm gonna go for the little ones and, and just, and just figure out a plan. I don't know. I'll, I'll bring bread. I'll figure out something.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

All right. What's the coolest invention in your lifetime?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

The coolest invention in my lifetime would have to be would have to be the internet. And being able to access people from all over the world

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

all right. And this will be the final question

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Oh.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

fire. Have you ever been stuck in a bathroom stall without toilet paper?

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

You know what? And I have not actually. I have not. I've been lucky. I've been lucky.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

I haven't three times just, yeah, it's unbelievable. Oh, max. Okay. Okay. That concludes rapid fire. All right. And

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

you.

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_327ms-StreamYard:

up the podcast with that, Jayden, thanks for joining us. It was a

JAYDEN_-_APR19-Jayden-webcam-00h_00m_00s_591ms-StreamYard:

Thank you. You guys, you guys are great. I appreciate the time and I've learned some stuff today, so I appreciate it.