Programming Lions

Ep.98 Dystopian Resistance w/ Jayden Jelso

• Matt Morstad • Episode 98

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In this episode, we sit down with Jayden Jelso—author, journalist, political pundit, and commentator—for a deep dive into conservative commentary, the culture wars, and the evolving landscape of Gen Z and Gen Alpha.

Jayden shares his journey from writing dystopian fiction inspired by current events to becoming a prominent voice in conservative circles. We discuss the influence of art and literature on political thought, the challenges facing young conservatives, the role of Christianity in public life, and the impact of social media on modern discourse.


Connect with Jayden Jelso:

  • Instagram: @JaydenJelso
  • YouTube: Jayden Jelso
  • Book: "Talon" by Jayden Jelso (on Amazon)


00:00 – Intro

00:25 – Jayden’s Background

01:40 – Political Awakening

03:00 – Writing Dystopian Fiction

05:20 – Art, Literature, and Political Commentary

07:00 – Morality and Christianity

10:30 – Culture Wars

14:00 – Future of Conservatism

18:00 – America First

22:00 – Fake Conservatives

27:00 – Diversity of Thought: Right vs. Left

30:00 – Christianity in the Public Square

33:00 – Libertarianism vs. Conservatism

36:00 – Healthy Masculinity

40:00 – Advice for Young Conservative Creators

43:30 – Summary

Welcome to the Programming Lions podcast. Jayden Jelso joins us today. He's an author, a journalist, a political pundit, commentator, and a resident. Good guy. So we've got a lot of spicy and fun questions for Jayden. So without further ado, let's get into it.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Jayden, welcome to the podcast. We're excited to have you on. We got a lot of questions for you, but as we get started, I'm curious what got you into this business of, let's say, conservative commentary and what do you do and why do you do it?

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

I first started out as an author. I grew up loving to watch movies, write scripts, uh, make short films and write stories. Uh, reading, I just, I just loved doing that kind of thing, engaging with art in that way. As time went on I started to, you know, make, make more films write more stories until eventually I wrote my debut novel, which is up on my shelf right there. But one of the reasons why I decided to write it was because of COVID. I was in the middle of COVID. It was a September of 2020, and when I decided I wanted to write it, and I. Had been noticing a lot of like, you know, crazy stuff going on with the government not difficult to notice at that, in that time period. So I started to notice a lot of that. I was young, I think I was 16. I didn't really know much about government or anything. And we weren't a political family. We never talked about politics. So I mean, we knew, you know, like, oh, Trump is president. That was pretty much, that was pretty much what we knew. And because of COVID we all started looking more into the government and what was going on.'cause it was weird. And it was a bit shady. And so that's where I first, you know, started to be interested in politics. And so I decided to write a science fiction dystopian novel based on what I, you know, thought at the time I was I was, I was becoming a lot more patriotic just'cause you know, of the stuff going on. And I decided, hey, I'm gonna write, you know, a dystopian novel about. Tyranny and fighting for liberty and freedom and stuff. And so that's what I did. I was inspired by books like The Hunger Games 1984 stuff like that, but also like Star Wars and just stuff that I liked as a kid and and still love for sure. But I was inspired by that and I wanted to sort of combine elements from all of them and also give like, you know, a political twist to it. And so I had a bit of commentary about government in there. My views have changed a lot since writing the book. I mean, you grow and your views change and you change your mind about things, especially with people you meet. So I go back and read it now and I'm like, huh, that's so funny. I I, I thought this at the time, but I com think something completely different now. So it's fun to see that growth the growth that comes outta that. But I think when I first started to get into, you know, political commentary, was after I saw a Instagram reel of a dad who was begging for his wife to not go into an abortion facility because she had an appointment and you can just hear, hear him just sort of freaking out. And that was sort of a trigger moment for me. That was, I mean, I'd always disagreed with abortion. I've always thought it's, it's awful. But when I saw that, I realized like, oh my gosh, like this is, this is much worse than I thought. So I remember reposting it and I had a very small following at the time. I reposted it and did some commentary about how horrible it was and because I had a small following at the time, I didn't get much, you know, backlash, but I got a little bit, but. My Instagram account at the time was meant to promote my work, like, promote my books start basically start my own independent business in, you know, writing books, publishing them getting people to read them, buy them off Amazon. And it was working, but at the same time I was also like, I have this platform and I have all these beliefs that need to be fought for, especially in a culture that we're in, the culture that we're living in. And so I started to, you know, post a little bit more about that. And over the last few years, especially going to college and, you know, meeting my good friends that I have now who are very into politics and also very conservative and having debates and discussions with them, I just became much more inclined to. Do political commentary. And I think it can really work well with the types of fiction that I write. Like I write, you know, political fiction and it's, it lends itself well to conservative commentary, especially because art is, it can be a window into the human soul, and it can tell you a lot of things that, you know, just reading a, a boring paper can't interpretation is important in, in works of art. I mean, you read a classic and someone will get something completely different out of it than someone else got. And that's, that's really important. So I, I think that art, especially literature, but art of any kind can really help a person understand someone else's point of view or bring people together in unity. That said, you don't, it doesn't mean that you don't fight for morality or you don't fight for. The good things in the world. And so that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to, you know, use my voice, my platform to start fighting against a lot of the depravity and degeneracy that I saw in the world. You see a lot of it even in the even in art culture. And I wanted to write books that advocated for good moral things as opposed to, you know, just write for entertainment. I wanted to write so that people come away with themes that make them think, that make them question their own perspectives that make them wonder at the world and want to know more as opposed to, you know, it just being some sort of slop that you take in for entertainment value. So that's how I got my start.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

We'll talk a little bit more about de Degeneracy and culture wars here. I, I suspect, but yeah, very interesting. And, and your inspiration, George Orwell and Star Wars and Hunger Games, those are all things we're pretty familiar with. In fact wills, oh man. Started reading 1984. It's a little dense, but he, it's a good, it's a great, you know, illustration of kind of what can happen. And it's funny when you say, like, I write political fiction.'cause if I was to step back and see political fact versus fiction, I don't know if I could tell the difference these days. It's pretty, it's a pretty wild world. I'd like to,'cause last night I was doing a little bit of research on you and I found your book, I think it's called Talent or something, right. And I was reading the description on Amazon, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna read a quote out right for you. And also all the audience you'll pray already know it. Right? Okay. May, 2000 492, it's been years since Democracy died. America is no more. Each state broken up into their own separate countries ruled mostly by cruelty and oppression. Oh wow. New York City is at the summit having crushed those who oppose them, destroyed those who resisted, even though this is like 407 years in the future. I was thinking, and this feel like this sounds awfully just like kind of similar to today, right? You know, New York City's kind of crazy. So like when you were writing this, was that like in your mind or something? This seems kind of true.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Yeah, no, it definitely was in my mind. I mean, I was, again, I was young at the time, so I just, pretty much all I knew was. Oh, red State versus Blue State and Blue State bad. I love New York. I think New York is a great city. It's like, it's a very hip hub of like culture and industry. And I've been there once and just touring around. It's, it's incredible. Like just, you know, how tall the buildings are, the the history that's there, especially American history. And that's what makes me so sad is seeing the way it's run because and the people whom it's run by, because you have this great city that has such, you know, great history in it, and it's being destroyed by, like you said Zoran Momani who's running for mayor the socialist. And so I, that definitely was in my mind I love New York. I love that setting. So I wanted it to be set in New York, but I also wanted it to have you know, a bit of a. I guess you could say realistic spin on it.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

and so I definitely, I definitely had I definitely had that in mind when I was, when I was writing it.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

inspiration from current events, it sounds like. So that that makes sense. And we'll drop a description so people can check it out. But it sounds pretty, it sounds pretty fun. We're gonna get a copy ourselves so we can, it looks, check it out. Pretty cool. Yeah. So I heard that, I'm going off the book topic, but I heard that you often speak about Christianity and moral morality. So, what do you think is the most dangerous narrative being pushed right now?

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

I think the most dangerous narrative is probably people who make Jesus's love. The only thing it is the main thing, but they make it the only thing. And there are other things that Christ talks about. That are incredibly important, like justice and reprimanding and calling out people who are engaging in depravity. That is, I mean, that's a, that's a fundamental core of who Jesus was, right? I mean, when the adulterous woman was brought to him, he didn't say, oh, good on you. You're great. Keep doing what you're doing. He said, go and sin no more. He, he, he called her out on her sin, but at the same time he did say, I don't condemn you. It, it's, it's the perfect illustration of come as you are, don't stay as you are. And I think especially people who are not Christian and have not read the Bible, who love to quote the Bible at Christians as though they're making a point quote, I think it's Matthew seven, where he says, judge, not so that you will not be judged. And they take that, and they make that the only thing that Jesus taught. Because if you call something out, they're like, oh, well Jesus didn't judge people. And I'm like, yes, he did. That's literally his job. He does tell us in multiple places to judge with righteous judgment to use discernments. There's a difference between judging and condemnation. Only God has the authority to condemn. But he does tell us how to judge. I judge everything. I mean, I have my phone right here. I'm judging it by looking at it. I have my water bottle. I'm judging it. I'm, I'm studying it. You judge everything you look at or, or everything you engage with.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Mm-hmm.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Condemning is different. Condemning is when you act as though you have the authority to condemn someone for whatever they're doing. I don't have the authority to condemn someone. No human has the authority to condemn someone. God does. And only he does. But we do have the authority to judge and judge meaning use discernment and call out things that are depraved, that go against Christ. I mean, just a week ago, I believe, cynthia Arrivo, who's an actress, she she portrayed Christ in Jesus Christ's superstar, which is a musical. It's a very blasphemous musical. It basically tells the story of Christ from Judas perspective and portrays him as a victim. So all around just a terrible show. But what makes this one a bit worse is that they have a black queer woman playing Jesus. And yeah, and it's, it's gross. That's exactly. That was my, that was my reaction. What?

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

We should have Sydney Sweeney play. The lead character in Roots it feels like an equivalent where if, if this happened the other way around the left would absolutely go bananas. Like if Sidney Sweeney played any black character in history yet they're doing this to Yeah. Jesus Christ superstar, which is pretty wild. I agree with you. It's like, it's hard to watch, but it's, it's okay in this society to make fun of Christians, Christian faith, Christian ethics. And I'm finding it more and more prevalent online it's disappointing to see, but

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

for sure. I mean, it's one of the things that tells you there's something special about Christianity because they don't go after any other religion like they do Christianity. They only go after religions that are a threat. No religion is a threat, like Christianity is no religion. That's why Satan goes after it. He tempts people with all the others, these other religions like Islam, stuff like that. Buddhism, Hinduism, and. The whole purpose of those is to lead people away from Christ. And the reason why Christianity is so under attack is because Satan rules this world. One of the main problems that I see in our modern culture is people who love to take Jesus and sort of dress him up, like, and make him their own. Jesus says what He says, he's not up for, you know, your own spin on him. He's not up for your own twist on, on his words.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Mm-hmm.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

He says what he says, and it's not up to you to add to that or to change it. And that's what a lot of people do. They'll, they'll say, well, Jesus says, judge not, and they ignore the like 15 verses that come right after that, that tell you how you're supposed to judge. So, I think that that is probably one of the biggest issues in modern culture's attitude towards Christ. They make him what they want him to be as opposed to what he actually is. And that is why we have a lot of churches nowadays supporting gay marriage, supporting the L-G-B-T-Q tribe and all that.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

It's incredible. How many, let's say pastors and like theologically educated people I see online with pretty large influences where they'll read verses and give their own interpretation. Meanwhile, they've got a pride flag in the background and they're promoting different variations of degeneracy in society and they're using the Bible to espouse it. And I find that like very shocking as maybe a more like conservative Christian. How to snap back at these people? Like how do we clap back and shut down these false narratives? We, we refer to'em in our house as the woke Jesus preachers, they're the woke Jesus preachers where they're saying stuff that, that doesn't really match up with what we understand in our interpretations and how you know, we interpret the gospels and all of that. Yet they make their own interpretation and it fits the narrative essentially like broadening degeneracy. And we find that just counterproductive to society, humanity, human nature. So. Mm-hmm. Have you found a good way to sort of clap back at those kinds of clowns?

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Use the actual Bible and use it in context. Like, you have all these people who will, you know, with theology in particular, people love to make it complicated. They love to, and you know, there are, there are definitely aspects of it that are complicated. Things we can't know, don't know, can speculate about, but the actual gospel is very simple and it's in Matthew, mark, Luke, and John, and also Romans, Ephesians, and all of those, all of those books are incredible. They show you what Jesus taught. They're divinely influenced. Romans talks about how one is saved. Ephesians talks about how a, a child of God ought to walk. And, and it says in very simple terms, but people love to take it and make it complicated. And that is a tool of the enemy, that's a tool of Satan in order to make it seem so utterly complicated that you can't know it yourself. You can't study it yourself. You need someone else to tell you I would very much rather err on the side of what God says as opposed to what some random guy who was smart and wrote about theology in what 1750 had to say about it.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

I'm curious because back then, you know, like Gen X, like my dad, he's old, right? I'm old and, and before, right, they. Have and like judging by stories they've told me and stories grandpa have told me, and you know, all of the, like, you know, all those people they've told, it's like so much different rather than now. Right. So I'm curious what you think about gen Z and Gen Alpha. Right. How should they like face truth and identity like nowadays?

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Ooh, that's interesting. So I guess we might wanna start with. The baby boomer generation, which are like, you know, people who are above the age of 65, I would say. So they grew up in what I consider, what I call, you know, the golden age of America. They grew up in a time where, you know, it was, it was easy to get your first job, even easy to buy a buy a home at age 22. They'll say things like, oh, you just gotta work hard. We, we busted our butts, we worked hard. And that's how we got what we have. And it's like, okay, not really, because what we have now is like, we have to work three jobs. And we still can't make enough to live on our own. I saw this thing the other day where it was like in order to have the buying power of someone in the the, the home buying power of someone in the seventies, the minimum wage has to be$66 in order to have the home buying power, which is pretty insane when you think about it. So working hard isn't the issue. The economy is the issue. And so I think that a big, a big thing, especially with young people is they understand that working hard isn't the issue. Culture is a big issue. But you know, there are a lot of people, a lot of up and coming people who are going to get into politics. Younger conservatives who are a little more radical like myself, who will get into politics, and I think we'll be able to fix it. We'll be able to, you know, be the strong leaders that we need as opposed to, you know, people who are still doing things as though it's the seventies.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Do you think it can be fixed without severe pain?

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

I don't know. I'm not an economist, that's for sure. So I can't, I can't really say I.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Yeah.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

I'm not quite sure, but I would hope so. I think that a big thing that we need to focus on though is as, as young people is the dangers of, like you said, identity. It's a problem. But Gen Z is also the most conservative generation in a very, very long time. Like very right wing, not just, you know, soft conservative like a, a sort of Reagan type. They're more, they're like very conservative and

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

But Jen Alpha might, might boys Jen Alpha, I hope maybe like you, maybe if we can help the stats. The stats aren't out yet.'cause Jen Alpha's still pretty young.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

John L is still pretty young, but we'll see. I think that they will also.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

if we can help. I'm hope not. Hope. I'm hoping that maybe, you know, possibly this channel can maybe help other, you know, gen Alpha or whatever, come over here like, hey. Mm-hmm. It is promis It is, it is promising to see the trends with Gen Z and I think Gen Alpha is following along just anecdotally in our experience. But yeah, so that, that's definitely promising in terms of hope.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that there are a lot of issues that we need to deal with now that are, that are very important, such as identity, foreign influence stuff that, you know, is not entirely America first, that we, we need to focus on America. America is, needs to be fixed. America, it needs to come first. And then, you know, once America is fixed and once we have, once we put America first, which a lot of these young conservatives really wanna do a lot of these young conservatives are incredibly. Pro America first, which is very, a very good thing. And, and I'm very hopeful to see that a lot of them understand that our leaders nowadays are not America first. They are all these people who engage in foreign affairs, whether it be Israel, Russia, Ukraine, all of these places that are just like, we spend so much money, we send so much weapons to all of these different people who use it for their own ends. Much, much of the time is not good. And Gen, gen Z and Gen Alpha, we, they see that and they're like these politicians, even Trump, they, they're like, these politicians purport to be America first, but their actions do not show that. I mean, actions speak louder than words, so,

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

happens on both sides of the aisle. Unfortunately. You have to wonder, like if there's some meeting that they go into when they get to Washington, it's like, well, hey, this is, you know, this is the avenue that you gotta take.'cause your pockets are gonna get greased by this thing, and then this happens and we need power. And I don't know what happens, but they seem to like, forget America first when they get to Washington, and

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Oh yeah. No, they don't care. They care about the money they make, they care about their own status. They care about blackmail. I mean, the whole Epstein thing. Yeah, the whole Epstein thing. He was a very, he had a lot of blackmail. There's a lot of blackmail that goes on in, in Washington which is another reason why a lot of these people just do not make decisions that are in America's interests. So I think that that's probably one of the biggest issues that a lot of younger people understand. I think there was a poll that came out recently that showed that baby boomers are very supportive of like, you know, our allies. Very, very supportive of our, of our allies and wanna help them as best they can. Young people. They see that and they understand what's actually going on. There was another poll that was like, 70% of Gen Z wants to pull away. They wanna focus on America. They don't want to because they're the ones who actually have to grow up in this scenario. Baby boomers have grown up. They've achieved all their end goals. They don't really need to care about it anymore. So Gen Z are the ones who actually have to grow up in this world. And so we need to figure out ways in which to figure out how to fix it because we were left. Something that's not exactly intact and it needs to be repaired.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

the boomers unfortunately kind of sold our future, and I got to reap a lot of rewards from inflation as a Gen Xer, you know, buying a home in the early two thousands and being able to have it, you know, my assets grow over time. But a lot of this, I would say, like stems from inflation. We went off the gold currency in the seventies and we've started borrowing against our future, taking on debt and printing more money and then assets inflated. And you, and so you, you, you alluded to a couple of the biggest things, but homes, healthcare and school have outpaced. Even inflation. So inflation's been been rough, but they've outpaced inflation at double digit paces. And so yeah, it's put this, it's put this generation at a real starting block challenge. And so that's ultimately kinda what got us into this is I was looking at the kids' future, like, wow, these guys got a tough road. This is not gonna be easy. Yes, you can grind and work hard and, but you almost have to be an entrepreneur, start a business if you want to have enough like wealth to buy a home and do the things that I got to do or my parents. And, and you've probably seen the studies, I think, I think that Gen Z is the first generation in the history of America that will have a lifestyle less than their parents in terms of what yeah, what they can buy and, and everything. So Oh, like that. Yeah. It's pretty, it's pretty tricky. You also touched on, foreign affairs thing, and it's definitely coming under a lot more scrutiny. So I suppose there's a universe where we have allies and we're involved, but it seems like we're almost like fighting proxy wars in some of these situations. And so, yeah, it's pretty, it's concerning. I do agree with you. Like, I don't really like the idea of getting into foreign wars.'cause like may and say we lose that war. Oh, now we have a new enemy, right? And we lost an ally. Yeah. It's kind of stupid, but I do, but I do think like some places it makes sense why we want them to win more than the others. Mm-hmm.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Yeah, no, for sure. No one wants Hamas in power, war is definitely a messy thing. And there are rules you do need to follow. I guess I can say this, there's no doubt in my mind that Epstein was Mossad. There's no doubt in my mind. It's pretty blatantly obvious with all the evidence that comes out which, you know, begs the question. What influence do they have? What there's, there's no there's nothing wrong to with asking that, but, you know, people will get really upset if you do. I mean, I, I don't, I think I've been called the second coming of Hitler before because

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Oh yeah. We have Hitler youth and stuff like, yeah,

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

i'm just questioning Israel's influence. There's nothing like anti-Semitic about that. There's nothing hateful. It's just a valid question to ask

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

I think like two things can be true at once. One is Israel, you could make the argument that Israel is attacked and there's, there's terrorism in their neighborhood, and they should have the right to. Sort that out, let's just say. And then the other thing that could also be true is they have developed an incredible amount of influence through extortion tactics, Mossad tactics, Epstein Mossad like that also can be true. And, and that they have and unknown power dynamic in the world that we don't fully understand. And so I think both of those things can be true at the same time. And it's, in some ways, boys and I were talking about this, but in some ways you gotta like admire what Israel has done. They almost got wiped off the planet, right? In World War ii. And then they probably got together and were like, well, we're not gonna let that happen again. That's not gonna happen again. We were gonna put in measures. To make sure that doesn't happen again. And so it, it, it's not crazy to think that they went to extreme measures to make sure that like, that kind of stuff doesn't happen again. Meaning that they have like strong power dynamics around the world. So, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Kinda crazy. What do you feel like are going off that, like Israel talk, but what do you feel about like, fake conservatives and organizations trying to promote like the Yeah. Fake conservative. Yeah. I can maybe shed light on this. We watch conservative media, we watch liberal media, but we see people on big channels, you know, whether it's PR or U or Turning Point or some of these, and. They're not, they don't seem like real, like real conservatives in terms of how they live and what they espouse, but they're popular and so is that what's going on is they just like bring popular people in, even though they're not really like demonstrating the movement.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Well, it's what I call liberalism in a MAGA hat. It's the most sort of base level. Mainstream talking points that they just espouse over and over again, that really mean nothing, but they're attractive. So people like them. Emily saves

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Emily saves America.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Emily saves America. She will not be saving America anytime soon with the way that she acts. Tommy Lauren she, her the, a lot of Fox News personalities prager you, they're very libertarian. Libertarianism is not conservative. It's actually an offshoot of li of liberalism. And people like Emily saves USA, they are what, you know, a lot of people would call Grifters. They like the attention, they like being successful, but you know, they also like wearing a MAGA hat. And so she does stuff like she. I don't know if you've seen it, but she has bragged about how she does drugs. She's bragged about how she sleeps around. She's bragged about all of this stuff.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. And then she criticized somebody's I think it was Sarah Stock's ring the other day. That was kind of, kind of a low blow.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

she, yeah, she's a good, she's a, she's a great person. I've corresponded with her a little bit. She, yeah, she posted her engagement announcement. Pearl Davis comes after her and says like, leave it to a modern conservative woman to turn her like marriage into a marketing opportunity. And I'm like, what? She's just sharing her announcement. Emily saves USA comes after her jokes about her ring size and Emily saves. USA, I think a couple weeks ago was the one who said the very true statement that no one hates women more than other women. I mean, they cry about misogyny. No one hates women more than other women. It's not men who are the problem, it's other women and.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Yeah,

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

The only person who I saw apologize was Xavier Deso, who is part of PR UI believe, or at least he used to be. He might still be, I'm not quite sure,

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

yeah. Gay conservative influencer. Mm-hmm.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

yeah. Yeah. And that's a thing, like, I'm like, okay, hold on. Are these really the people that we want to be, you know,

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

The face of the movement.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

prop the face of the movement? Because they're, that be because living that kind of lifestyle does not align with conservatism. With conservatism. You're trying to conserve something. And you know, he did say in his apology, he said that it was petty of him. He said he shouldn't have made fun of her ring size. He said that he was happy for her. He also said that he does hope that society becomes more conservative than he is. And that's great. But the funny thing is he was the only man in that mix who was going after her, and he's the only one who apologized.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Yeah.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Again, no one hates

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

a good point.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

other women.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Yeah.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

So it's, it's sort of what a lot of people call covert feminism. Feminism is like radically antithetical to conservatism in every sense, even first wave, and the, and these people, like Emily, she has admitted to being a feminist. She also supports abortion. So does Tommy Lauren. Tommy Lauren says she supports abortion because it's not the government's job to regulate that.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Right?

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

It's like, what then? What is the government's job? If the government's job isn't to regulate and say you can't murder someone,

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Mm-hmm.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

then what is the government's job? And a lot of, so a lot of these people, they. Get up on Fox News. They have their teleprompter. They read off the super mainstream, boring, like conservative talking points. But the moment you put them in a situation like a debate, they crumble. They can't like articulate a point to save their life. It's these fake grifters that we are making the face of this movement that should not be the face.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

We have maybe diversity in the movement and I suppose there's a world where like you can be a drug addict and still say that, hey, drugs are bad, you know, but, but on the other hand, the people that are being put in front of the community to espouse and, and demonstrate like what conservatism is, you would think that we would make very select choices in who those people are. And to your point, like that doesn't seem to be happening. It's maybe more of a popularity contest than it is like a, who can actually defend their worldview the best.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Yeah, for sure. See it on the far right, like with Sarah stock with Kai Schwimmer. With Elijah, the founder of rif, the Rift, the Rift tv you see it with them. They are very coordinated. They all have their set, you know, they're very consistent. They know what they're fighting for. They are not grifting. Some of them look more for viral moments as opposed to actually arguing a point. But those are, you know, the more griper types you would say. And, but you see them and they are a collective there, there's disagreement within them, but they all agree on what conservatism and traditionalism is. They're not saying, oh, I'm a conservative, but I'm going out and I'm sleeping with a bunch of people and doing drugs and cursing every other word. That's not conservative. None of them do that.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Well, hopefully they grow in popularity'cause we do follow some of those, factors in the space, so, wait, so wait, I'm just curious because like, you know, this is like, this topic is kind of like about who's real and who's fake. It's kinda like what we're kind of talking about right now. Mm. What do you feel about Charlie Kirk? Do you think he's like, do you like Charlie Kirk?

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

I do like Charlie Kirk. I think that, some of the stuff that I that I watch of him, I'm like, okay, it's, it's a little more of the debate, bro side of things. More focused on getting a gotcha. But overall I think he's a very good figure in the in the movement. I think he has, I mean, he founded T-P-U-S-A and his goal was to swing the voting meter I believe 10 points over the 10 years. And he did it. He did it. And that is a, an accomplishment that is to be celebrated. Like he did a great job with that. It's, it's, he's one of the reasons why Gen Z is so conservative.'Cause they've got those figureheads who are actually listening to them and fighting for them. And he understood that even 10 years ago. And that was very, very intelligent of him. I saw his I saw the spoof of him on South Park the other day. It

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

We watched that. That was interesting.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

It was really funny. And it's, and it's funny because like, you know, the libs, they melt down when he finds it funny. They're like, well, you, you understand that he, that they're making fun of you, right? And it's like, yeah, he understands. He thinks it's funny. Now, there are things that he says, certain things that he says that I disagree with, but you're gonna find that with anybody. I don't agree with everything everyone says. So, but overall, I do like Charlie Kirk. I think he's a, I think he's a great figure. He follows you

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

gone to a lot of his stuff. He's a pretty cool dude. Yeah. He follows us. We've we live in Phoenix and so they're headquartered here and we've, we've taken part in some of their events. We've had the opportunity to meet Charlie. We'd love to have him on our show at some point. I dunno if you've gone to America Fest, but we had a media booth there last year. We may have one this year where we're able to meet with people and. Record and do podcasts and do some live sessions and stuff right from the event. So yeah, so they've been a great organization to be involved with. We didn't make it to Student Action Summit. We had a conflict, but perhaps next year that might be a better fit given where we're at in our demographic and everything.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

right. I wanted to go to Student Action Summit as well, but I, I just, I'm a broke college student. I couldn't, I couldn't pay for the flight, so,

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

I get some of those books out then we'll,

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

yeah, for sure. No, for sure. I mean, I, I keep getting distracted with stuff, so trying to release the second one here pretty soon. So.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Oh, very cool. Oh, really? Very cool. It's a good organization. We don't agree with everything either. This is one thing actually, I find. Interesting about the right is where the left and, and there there's probably like benefits and drawbacks of this, but I find that the right disagrees on like things within the conservative movement and culture and it's kind of okay. Like you'll see for example, Charlie Kirk debate with I don't know, like another right wing person and they disagree on a couple things, but then, you know, they hug it out and have a beer afterwards on the left, you, it's like full compliance or un alive. Like you have to comply on the left. And this is something we notice is they all have exactly the same like belief system. That would be concerning to me that I have to like tow the line and believe everything otherwise you're ostracized and yeah. All of that, so,

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Right. Yeah. I mean, I saw a I believe it was a scatterplot like a graph of the diversity of thought on the right versus the left. And on the right you have points all over the place, like all over the place. Like this is the diversity. They did like a massive study, a massive poll, and they came out with like this massive different scatter points of what the right thinks. Then you go over to the left, it's about this big, a lot of different points, but it's about this big. Whereas over here

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

it's

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

many different, there's so much different stuff.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

it's a hive mind essentially. Like we, we describe it as a hive mind when we talk about it. But in some ways it's be, it's beneficial for them because they can coordinate and operationalize their, their messages and their movements, like much more streamlined than like, we can maybe on the right. Do you think that biblical values should be allowed in the public square, like everywhere and like used, basically?

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Yeah, I do. Absolutely. I mean, we had, I can't remember exactly when, but not that long ago. We had, you know, Bibles in schools. We had Bible classes, we had scripture studies. I mean, is it I can't remember what state it is, might be Louisiana that required that the 10 Commandments were put back in school. You know, just, you know, at least give students a sense of morality. Everyone always says church and state should be separated. I don't necessarily believe that I think that it's in, it's very important for, you know, biblical values to,

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Christian Nationalist, you're a Christian nationalist.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

100% guilty as charged.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

what, you know, it's funny people, people say that like it's Nazi or something, but I ask people like, well, what is the worst thing that you think the Christians are gonna do to you? Like, make you get rid of degenerate material, like pornography, or promote nuclear families and marriage and have policies that promote, you know, the wellness of a family and chil children. Like what, what, what do you think the worst is that they're gonna do

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

the worst that we would do is like church is a good thing. Say, say church. I mean, you don't, obviously you don't, you don't require anyone to go to church. Promote church. Promote vi biblical values, promote the nuclear family. Promote not getting fat, which is in fact a Christian virtue. I mean, it talks about gluttony in the Bible. It's, and just, you know, promote a sense of morality. Obviously you can't, force everyone to stick to that because their belief is between them and God. And God will deal with them. God is, God says, vengeance is mine. I will repay. The best we can do in our time is promote these values, normalize them not let people kill their children in the womb. Not allow gay marriage, not allow trans surgeries, stuff like that. That is true conservatism, because you're conserving Christian values. People will say, oh, well conservatism is about freedom. What is freedom? That's actually more of a libertarian mindset, and again. Libertarianism is just an offshoot of liberalism. Basically what it says is every single human being should be free to do whatever they want all the time without any consequences. It's why they want weed and pornography and meth illegal and

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Anything goes as long as you don't harm somebody else directly.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Yeah. Well, that's the funny thing. Everything you do affects other people. It's like a ripple effect. No man is an island. Libertarians think that they are, and they say, well, right now it will, it will harm people. But if you create a good culture surrounding it, then you can be a libertarian.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

that, though, as a

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

I'm like, the world is fallen. The world is not perfect. You can't create a perfect culture. That's a, it's a utopian ideal that doesn't exist. And so that's the problem with libertarianism and subsequently liberalism. They basically believe the same thing.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

The only thing I like about Libertarians is the small government mindset, the rest of it is basically like free for all, do whatever you want and you shouldn't be judged including degenerate behavior. And if we have degenerate behavior and they say it doesn't harm anybody, but we know it does like wave two feminism, it absolutely has harmed the community. It has harmed women. It has har harmed children like generations of families. The LGBT movement, it absolutely harms people. Just look at the, look at the data for, these groups of people and other groups of people and you know, that it's harming people. I've asked a libertarian too well, so just, people can do, do drugs. So what, what happens when they become addicts? Then we have to have programs for them and who's gonna pay for the programs and they don't have good. For these things now. And I, we don't have to get into whole, like, libertarian debate, but yeah. This isn't, it's an interesting, it's an interesting topic. What does healthy masculinity look like to you? Right? Is it like, dad, is it like the trans person that we saw at the the ice cream place right. Like what, what, what's a, what's healthy masculinity look like to you? Me.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Well, I think you need to have a good sense of ambition. I think you need to have a good sense of stoicism, a healthy sense of stoicism. Ambition, it leads you to many different things. It leads you to, becoming more fit. Working out leads you to achieving things like starting your own business or fighting for something or whatever it leads you to do. But most importantly, to be a man means to serve God. To lead your family, to lead your children in the gospel. That is what healthy masculinity and what biblical masculinity looks like. Doesn't matter if you know your wife disagrees with you. Doesn't matter if your kids don't like what you're doing. If you know that God is happy with you and you know that God is instructing you to do, to handle something a certain way, or to do something a certain way, or lead your family a certain way, it doesn't matter what they think about it. It only matters what God thinks about it. And that is the virtue of a good Christian, biblical man is leading in faith, leading in biblical values and leading as God's child. And when you put that before anything else, the other things will follow. Ambition will follow. Stoicism will follow. Presenting yourself as a man will follow. It just naturally follows. It's difficult, but that is what we are supposed to do as men. We don't have it easy like feminists say. They're the ones who sit in their sweatpants on a podcast with a glass of Chardonnay in their hands talking about how men all suck and they don't need them. When we built society around them, we built the reason that they can have their chardonnay. We built the reason that they can buy their favorite Lululemon sweatpants. That is us, that is not them. And, you know, I might get hate from even my own followers for saying that, but it was not women who built society. And it was men striving for a higher ideal western society. In particular, men striving for a higher ideal, whether that be the stoic philosophers in ancient Greece, whether that be the people during the crusades. It was men striving for higher, something higher than themselves, as opposed to something for themself.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Yeah.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

is what healthy masculinity looks like.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

And I love that. I love that. That's really good. All right, I have, this is my final question. Okay. So do you have any advice for, young conservative content creators trying to get things out there, so what's like advice do you have for them?

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

I would say study history for sure. Study politics. I am still catching up on that myself because, I wasn't interested in any of this stuff until. Like five years ago. So I, I am catching up on that myself. I'm reading a couple books right now that are on politics. I'm I'm, I'm taking a history elective in, in school this upcoming semester. Definitely read novels. Not necessarily just novels read, like, you know, the classic epic poetry I have. The Iliad and the Odyssey up there. Read those. Those are great read great works of fiction, of Western philosophy. They are difficult. So, you know, you might wanna easier way into them with easier stuff,

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Something age appropriate. We'll, we'll figure it. We'll

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Yeah, for sure. But that is incredibly important in order to be able to develop your analytical skills.'cause you can know like. How our government works. You can know history, but if you can't analyze it, that's, that's an issue. And I think that's one of the biggest issues with a lot of modern conservatives today the best way to learn how to analyze is, I believe, through reading fiction. That's why I'm, I'm an English major. I mean, in English, you are literally required to write 20 page papers about some of the most difficult texts. Offering an interpretation and proving that interpretation. It teaches you to argue, teaches you to interpret, teaches you to analyze. And that is incredibly important, especially in the world of politics.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Okay. All right. Wow. All right. Well, this was a lot of fun. We appreciate getting to visit with you and hear your story. For people listening in the audience, what is the best way to find you?

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

You can find me on Instagram just at Jayden Jelso, J-A-Y-D-E-N-J-E-L-S-O. No periods, no asterisks, no hyphens or anything. You can also, that's where I have my, largest following, but you can also find me on YouTube again at Jayden Jelso. And then you can buy my book on Amazon. It's called Talon Buy, Jaden Jelso. And and you, and you can read it and hopefully love it. So.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

All right, beautiful. Well, so as long as we got the name right, we can find you anywhere, it sounds like. So that's great. Well, thanks again for coming on the show. We wish you all the luck in your education, your career, and your influence online, and we love your takes on things. So keep up the great work and it was great connecting with you.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

It was great connecting with you guys as well. And you too. You guys, you guys got a, a good a good path ahead of you.

Jayden_Jelso-Matt-webcam-00h_00m_00s_372ms-StreamYard:

Thank you. Thank you. That was cool. Thanks for coming on.

Jayden_Jelso-Jayden_Jelso-webcam-00h_00m_00s_355ms-StreamYard:

Absolutely