Ep.108 Exploring America First w/ Jeb Baugh

In this episode of the Programming Lines podcast, we chat with Jeb Baugh about his journey to becoming a political content creator. Jeb shares his views on the America First movement, its differences with MAGA, and his perspective on topics like immigration, the conservative movement, and political figures. We also delve into controversial subjects such as the Epstein files, the impact of Charlie Kirk's death, the significance of demographic changes, and historical figures. Tune in for an insightful and candid discussion on current political landscapes and ideologies.#ProgrammingLionsPodcast

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00:00 Intro

00:14 Political Awakening

01:02 Charlie Kirk's Death

01:51 America First Ideology

02:24 MAGA vs. America First

03:58 Disappointment with Trump

07:43 Immigration Views

09:45 Somali Immigrants

12:57 White Men

13:43 Cultural Integration

15:00 Shifting Overton Window

15:43 Views on Trump Policies

18:03 America First Key Tenets

19:23 Nick Fuentes and the Groypers

20:53 Historical Figures

23:07 Communism vs. Fascism

24:35 World War II

26:10 Concluding Thoughts

Transcript

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Welcome back to the Programming Lines podcast today with Jeb Baugh. Before we get into any questions, can you just tell us about yourself? Yeah. I am, uh, originally from North Dakota. I lived in Texas for a large point life as well. I think that's shaped kinda my worldviews and. I'm back in North Dakota for college. I go there for aviation and, uh, I've been making political content for about two months. I started doing it after a turning point, USA event at University of North Dakota. Glenn Beck was speaking, I asked him, why are we supporting Israel when Israel's doing all this? All sorts of weird and odd and just bad stuff in general to us. Just starting off, I was wondering, since we're here at, you know, T-P-U-S-A or Fest how did you find Charlie? How did I find Charlie? Well, I mean, I used, I grew up watching a lot of, Ben Shapiro, ladder of Crowder when I was about probably your age, I would say. And, um, you know, Charlie Kirk just kind of fits in with. You know, those people. Mm-hmm. I think the direction Charlie was going before his death was a little different than say, like someone like that Shapiro would be going. But um, Charlie is definitely a very influential leader in the conservative movement. Yeah. And then how did his death, shake you did it. Like, I see it as that's an attack on anyone like you or me. I mean, they literally executed Charlie Kirk in front of our faces alive and it's terrible. I mean, I just, I didn't know what to think. I couldn't believe it at first. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it hit us pretty hard too because we, we had the opportunity to meet him a couple times and boys got to ask him questions at a couple of his events. Yes, we did. He is, uh, we live here in Phoenix, and so we got to go to maybe more of his events than a lot of people would. And it was just like very surreal, like, how could this happen, we just found ourselves drawn to a lot of his content because of that. And uh, I think that leaves a little bit of a gap now in the conservative movement, but mm-hmm. Yeah, we could get into that. Almost like the conservative movement is like split in half, you know, America Ferris and there's like maga I would say. Yes. Speaking of that, you have mentioned you have called yourself an America first person to the viewers. What exactly does that mean? I would say it's putting America, America and Americans first, and it's Americans that have actually lived here, bringing back manufacturing jobs to the US mm-hmm. Rebuilding the middle class stopping immigration, I'd say, and stop sending our money overseas to foreign countries. Mm-hmm. Put our money back into America and people who actually build this country. Okay. Okay. Nice. America first sounds great. Mm-hmm. Kind of sounds like Ma make America great again. Mm-hmm. But what, like, what are some of the key differences, do you think, because there is like a little bit of like a split or a fracturing going on between maybe MAGA and America first. And in your view, like what are some of the key differences? Yeah. Well, um, I used to really like Trump to be honest. Mm-hmm. Uh, in 2016 I was like eight, or I was like 10 or eight or something. Mm-hmm. And I was like, I really like Trump. I mean, I was like, this is our guy. You know, he's the guy like Trump is. I think now Trump is the same thing that he sought to destroy. You can even look at his approval ratings from, you know, January compared to now. I mean, Trump's really gone downhill. Yeah. Um, I mean we got the 50 year mortgages, I mean, the whole Epstein debacle. Yeah. That was really weird how he did just like release some. And I think MAGA is more of that boomer NeoCon mindset now where American first is more of this younger generation who wanna rebuild the middle class and actually want to put true Americans and American workers first. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeahinteresting say he definitely has gone downhill, like, especially with like Maha. Um, that was a big thing. Like, and it didn't happen. Yeah. They started like posting like every single day about what they're doing and then now it's just stopped. Yeah. Like nothing's been posting. I mean, what, I think we had like one food going removed or something like that. Yeah. Red. No more red. 40 max. It's one of your favorites, right? No, I do think he had, I think our FK has been in like a lot of, or like they've been sued or something. Probably I think a lot lately. Right. So that's probably why they haven't been posting as much. I think they're definitely caught up in a lot of. Administration and bureaucracy trying to get things done. But it, it definitely seems like the, the marketing or the, the talk about MAHA has died down. And then I would say similarly, the area that I probably am most disappointed with at the moment with the Trump administration has Doge, has been essentially disbanded. Yep. Yeah. And so I was like very pumped to see how we take a trillion dollars out of our budget in a year. And now it's like dissolved. Yep. And they started uncovering a lot of fraud, which was interesting and ex exciting because Okay, we're nobody, nobody got like fired or whatever. Yeah, no, no. There's no indictments. Like nobody's in prison. All this fraud, all this waste. People you know, endorsing, sending money, specifically overseas for. Gay and lesbian endorsement in Pakistan, and nobody is in prison. Like, I don't understand how this stuff happens. So, uh, anyway, I think for me, doge is a bit of a disappointment. Well, how about from a America first person? Yeah. No, I, I completely agree with you. Everything, everything you said a hundred percent. Yeah. Doge got shut down. I mean, I was like, I was looking forward to this every day. You know, they're taking stuff out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What. Sorry, go ahead. You can go. No, wait, what? I was just gonna say, they were, they were up to a great start with like a billion dollars a day in, in, um, wasteful spending, and then it just, uh, just died. Yeah. Yeah. So what are, what is your take on the Epstein files? Well, guess this.'cause those things were like recently released and a lot of people are very disappointed because most of this stuff is redacted. Yeah. Like 95% of it. Well, I think the Epstein files, and it's not some Democrat hosts, the reason they cannot release the Epstein files. It's not Democrat, it's not Republican. I think it's because Jeffrey Epstein is working for a foreign government to black mayor politicians to push that foreign government's agenda. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. But now, now I guess just in recent days, they've been releasing them in batches. Mm-hmm. And what I've seen out so far as well, a lot of like photos, mostly Bill Clinton. Yeah. But, but no big surprise maybe, but, uh, a lot of redactions. Yeah. Like, so I understand why they wanna redact the. Names of the victims and everything that makes total sense, but is nothing really meaningful se seemingly yet. And so, yeah, I think most Americans probably understand some of the reactions, but we wanna get to the bottom of like, is there some coercive international leverage that is at play here through Mossad or whatever? And I don't know if we're ever gonna know for sure. Yeah, I don't think we ever will know. And I mean, I'm not really surprised by that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's definitely weird that they say like that. They're like, they basically said they were gonna release them, and then they hadn't really released them. So then Congress said that they had to release them and now they release them. But it's basically just like black lines effectively over everything. Yeah. Yeah. It's sus very sus. Do you have a channel like I do? Uh, mainly big on Instagram. It's just jebba, J-A-B-B-A-U-G-H. Oh, okay. Well, I was wondering like, since you're pretty young in most people's eyes, how can like you say to other people like to speak out their voice Well, I think making content is very important, but I think the biggest thing. That, um, you know, young people could do, or young couples is I think, you know, we need more intelligent people having kids in America. You know, I think it's, I think the most intelligent people are the ones you know. Don't have as much kids, but I see like all the, all the wrong people always have a bunch of kids. You know? So I think, I think, uh, young, intelligent people need to have a lot of kids because that's the future of our country. Yeah. Oh yeah. And I think we need to stop immigration. I think we need a complete ban on like immigration. Okay. Immigration in general or like illegal? I think legal and illegal really. It's like a 10 year pause on all immigration. Yeah. Interesting. Wow. Huh. Okay. That's, that's a controversial take. It's, it's very controversial take. So, okay. So maybe we can start with this one. So this is a, an America first sort of tenant. Like, like halt immigration. Get our stuff under control before we like open our borders and open our doors maybe. And so you think around 10 years will let us do that and that's stopping legal and illegal. Um, I think we need get rid of the Heart Seller act. Mm-hmm. Again,'cause we need to be able to pick and choose who we let into our country. Yeah. It shouldn't just be. A free for all. Anyone can come, you know, a Swedish immigrant shouldn't have the same, it should. A Swedish and Somali immigrant shouldn't have the same opportunity to come to America Uhhuh ICS.'cause you know, obviously each of those people is gonna bring different values to our country. Yeah. You know, one being better than the other. Yeah. So I think we need to repel the Hard Seller Act. And honestly, yeah, just like a 10 year pause and all immigration, get everyone in here accounted for it. Because there's only so many jobs. There's only so many houses. And if we keep this flooding people into our country. It's gonna be less for actual Americans and people who have built this country and Yeah. That have lived here for generations. Yeah. It basically boosts the demand on the supply demand curve, right? Mm-hmm. And then, so I, it's all about, you could, you could point to a lot of things that are impacting inflation, but certainly immigration's gotta be part of that equation. Interesting. So let me ask you this, this guy a controversial question, but when you say, well, maybe a Swedish and a Somali immigrant. It shouldn't be looked at the same way. Now a lot of people would say, that's racist. Whoa, that's racist. Right? So how do you, how do, well, I mean, it's just obvious. It's, it's kind of common sense. I mean, who would you rather have as your neighbor? I mean a Somali family or a Swedish family, and it's like, who would you in the country, we should be able to have the right, you know, America isn't just a country where anyone from any in the world can just live in and prosper and plunder the lands. It's like, no. Yeah, you gotta provide back in America Assimilate. And America is a Christian nation and you should respect that and be a part of that. Right? Oh yeah. So speaking of Somalians, this is actually one of the clips I saw of yours was you, and it went viral, I think was You got in a car accident with a Somalian. Yeah, Somalian Remy. I was like, why the hell are Somalians? Sorry for my language. Why are Somalians in America, especially North Dakota and Minnesota, I mean outta all places. That's like our coldest state. So yeah, it's like why are these immigrants in this country especially like Somalians. Mm-hmm. They are systematically more on welfare, take more from the government. Yeah. You know, commit more crimes and stuff. And it's like, not racist, but those facts. That's literally just the facts. Right. Right. Um, these foreign ngo, I mean, not foreign, these ngo. Are getting money. I mean, such as, I call that one of'em, Luther and Social SER services mm-hmm. Is getting like, I think it was like$2,500 for every Samoan they come over. That they bring over. Yeah. And they give'em housing and stuff, and that's money, that's tax dollars from the government. They get to bring these people over. Right. Right. And they all have it as like it's empathetic and nice, but really you're just hurting the actual communities and people that have lived there for generations. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's almost like, yes, of course. Like people that see this conversation will say, yo, you can't say that it's racist, but it is based upon facts. We put out some content recently and it was fact based about. What's happening in Minnesota? I grew up in Minnesota, so I'm familiar with the state and what Tim is doing there. And um, the fact is, the fact is that it's something like 83% of Somalians are on welfare. 89% of them if they're a family. And so 80 to 90% of all of them, all of the Somalians that have come in, uh, are on welfare. So they're a net drain on the taxpayers of the city. And then. What I find strange about that is 1.5% of the population, roughly is got such a foothold on the politics in, in, in that area, right? They've elected a number of officials. You got Ilhan Omar, and so I, I don't know what to make of it. It's almost like there's this. This like guilt led compassion by some of the leadership in Minnesota. And maybe you saw this, but the mayor of Minneapolis was at a con like a press conference and he started speaking Somalian. Yeah, I saw that. Met Jacob Frey. Yeah. What, like what? Like what do you Yeah. What do you make of this? Yeah. Like how was, how was like, do you know like about the Omar Feta and Jacob Frey? Like Omar Feta was a part of one of the Somali clans. Mm-hmm. And then Jacob Frey, jewish guy put the two Somalian groups against each other. Okay. Because I'm pretty sure Ja Omar Feta was of the Doorway. Clan. Okay. And shoot, I forget the other name, but Jacob Prey pretty much got all the other clan, which is the majority Somali, majority of the Somalians in Minneapolis. To go against him, and that's how he won the mayoral race. Okay. Mm-hmm. But yeah, like, I don't know, like he's speaking Somalian, like how is, how is he the mayor of Minneapolis? Like, it's literally, I mean, I just, I don't know why this is happening. Why is this happening? You think? Like why is this happening? I don't, I think it's I think it's some kind of like white man guilt. I don't, I don't really know. Like we've actually. This has been something, and this is why we're so excited to talk to an America first person, because we're trying to unpack some of this ourselves and make sense of it.'cause it's hard to make sense of. But like we put out a couple of posts recently that ended with thank a white. You should thank a white guy today. Oh yeah, I did. And part of that was we were just looking at data around the contributions. Like for example, white men are the only. Demographic in the country that pay more in taxes than their I Asian, I think Asian men too. I'm not sure. Yeah. Asian men. Yes. But they're like two and a half percent race. Yeah, they're, yeah, they're right. So like, materially p paying more than their demographic in the population are white men and Asian men. Yes. And so it's just funny that they're also the ones that are attacked constantly about not, you know, being, being racist, being supremacist and all of this. And meanwhile, we also looked at data over the course of the last a hundred years, and the share of white men in the top 1% of the population has declined from about 98% down to 53%. Really? Yeah. And that's just facts. And so it's, and they like, they hate us, but they want to come to our countries that our communities too. I mean, you know. Yeah. And, okay. And so part of America first is like enough with that? Yeah. Is that fair to say? Yeah, a hundred percent. It's like enough, this needs to come to an end when he get to the root cause of who's. Funding this. Yeah. And who's, you know, putting this out there. How is this happening? Because the numbers are on the side of, let's just say white Christians in this country. Mm. And yet somehow all of these other sort of contrary belief systems and ethnicities are coming in and, and bringing their culture in. And like with the maybe intent of taking over the culture. And so I like why would, why, why would we let that happen? Because we've become too tolerant, I think, and we're scared of offending people. Yeah. I think that is pretty much the narrative post World War II is scared to offend people. Mm-hmm. And super tolerant because, you know, if we're not super tolerant, we offend people, then we're pretty much Hitler, which you know, isn't true, but you know what I mean. Right, right. We've been called. What have we been called? Boys? Oh my goodness. So not sure we should mention all them. They may not be. Yeah. I don't think we should be friendly. But you must get called a lot of stuff on your social media. Yeah, I've had a lot stuff. I, honestly, most of my, most of my comments are very positive. Really very, I've probably say lucky. Lucky, lucky. 95% of my comments are very positive. Oh, wow. Wow. What's that like? That would be wild. Yeah, ours might, what the opposite, like 5% fact. The fact that we are like amazed that you have nice comments is so strange. I think people hate us. I mean, I know, I think it's, I think the, the Overton window has definitely shifted. Mm-hmm. I mean, the stuff that someone like myself is talking about five years ago, I probably would've been kicked outta college, to be honest. But I mean, and I think that's great that people are allowed to talk and I think, you know, Trump being president has helped that, um, which I mean. How do you guys feel about Trump? Mostly good. I think he's doing, like there's no other candidate that would've been Yeah, I agree. Better than him at the time. I think in general, like we, we are aware of his moral discretions and some of that that are not ideal. There are certain policies we don't like, for example, we, we've covered the 50 year mortgage. That's not that's not really good for Americans long term. Uh, we talked about Doge and all that, so. Yeah, but in general, like he's, he's doing some things that we highly agree with, like securing the border, which he's doing. I think deportations, we'd like to see him being do, being done more aggressively. Yeah, I understand. And more quickly I think he's doing a better job in terms of foreign relations. Of course, we're still sending money like this, even in Ukraine, war is like still going and stuff like that. Yeah. That's still going. But he's, uh, he's largely nego, negotiated the end to a number of conflicts globally. We're hoping that Ukraine can get, you know, uh, settled as well, but Russia doesn't have anything to bargain. Like they, they have a pretty much powerful position in this system. They're probably gonna get whatever they want. Yeah. Yeah. I think the worst should never happen. I mean, it shouldn't happen. I mean, the, the, which, the Ukraine war, I mean, I think it should never happen. I think the only reason why it's still is going is basically just because. Yeah, well mainly the US and then a little bit, I guess of, of European, of Europe. Yeah. Yeah. Is like funding Ukraine and like, it's so funny to me'cause like the European politicians left are like, right, which the right wing parties in Europe really aren't that right wing, but you know, they'll be so worried about Russia. Russia invaded them, stuff like that. But they are literally being invaded by the third world. Yeah. And it's being encouraged and subsidized and you know, whatever you subsidize, you create more of. Yeah. So I always find that ironic. That's a great point. That's something else that we've covered a lot and gotten a lot of hate for, but when you do subsidize something, typically you get more of it. And, and so homelessness. Yep. Yeah. Welfare. Mm-hmm. Snap. Mm-hmm. All these kinds of programs that we put money into, the demand for the programs increases. And, and that's, you know, and then the liberals come into our chat and they're like, well that's because people need it. You know, that's, well, no. Like if you had an investment, why would you put money into an investment that produces the opposite outcome of what you want? Like you invest more money into stocks that go down. No, you want stock, you know, things that are gonna go up. But nonetheless that, uh, so, but okay. Back to America first, because I think the boys like are not as familiar with the themes of America first and as probably I am. And so. A lot of these questions are maybe more curiosity for me, but yeah. Uh, what are some other like key tenets of the America First movement? So immigration, you mentioned immigration that's probably number one demographic change, you know, across the us and when you lose the demographics of a nation, you lose a whole complete idea of the nation, I think. Yeah. And America was founded as like a white Christian nation. Yeah. I mean the founding Pley said white men of good faith, but I thought, I, I thought diversity was our strength. Yeah. See that's the whole thing. They always say diversity is our strength, which obviously we've seen the failed experiment of multiculturalism in the West. Mm-hmm. So I would say demographics change is a crucial, big issue. And I think the biggest thing we can do is have kids. I think that's the biggest like thing anyone can do. They need to have a lot of kids. Mm-hmm. Destruction of the middle class more and more every day. I mean, we used to build stuff in America. We don't do that anymore. Right? Yeah. At the, and we did that because we wanted simply cheaper goods. Mm-hmm. And but the cheaper goods mean nothing if you lose your jobs and you know, your community. Yeah. Um, and then also I would say, and sending, sending money on just dumb stuff. I mean, we're sending money overseas. We have so many just dumb programs. Mm-hmm. I mean, and they don't make sense. Right? Yep. Right, right. Yeah. So, america first. When I think of America first, I do think of, I can't help but think of the Nick Fuentes, the groupers. So are they all, is this all synonymous? Well, I would say yeah, Nick is an influential part in the America first movement. I wouldn't consider myself personally as like a griper. I think the left and the right could come together. To be honest. I think if the right got rid of this idea of hating everyone equally. Like we have bigger enemies, you know, some bigger than others, Uhhuh. Mm-hmm. And I think if the left stopped this just total ludicrous idea of helping everyone at the cost of the na like the native person, the native person in the community Yeah. Who left the right could come together. I have friends, like of everyone I have, I have friends that are, you know, some leftists, not a bunch. Mm-hmm. I have some friends that, are Muslim. Mm-hmm. Um, but I think. We need, we realize that we have a lot more common and we have a lot more problems together. We cannot let people to buy this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what does it take to be a griper? What does that mean? What it takes to be a griper. Um, I don't know if I could answer that a hundred percent.'cause I, I, myself would, I would say I'm America first, but I don't know if I like, I like Dick Fuentes. Yeah. I agree with him on most things. I'm not a Catholic like he is. I don't think America should be a Catholic nation. Okay. You know, I think it should be. Freedom of religion to a certain degree. I majority Christian. Sure. A hundred percent. Mm-hmm. But I, I agree with Nick on most things. Okay. But I don't know if I can answer a hundred percent what it takes to be a grinberg. Okay. Okay. Fair enough. Now Nick is, uh, probably one of the most controversial figures in all of politics right now. He's been blowing up everywhere. Like obviously he's been with Tucker and he's had feud with. Candace and he was on Pierce Morgan and all of that. But he said some pretty wild things. Yeah. I have somebody who hasn't. I've probably watched several hours of his content, but not maybe enough to understand his views deeply. And he has said some wild things like admiring. Hitler, Stalin. And so what I, I'm, I'm curious if, you know, like, are these, are these just like rage bait things to pull people in? Or is, is there a truth behind what he says? Well, well, Stalin, I think Stalin was a terrible dude. I think he was more or less saying that he admires Stalin because Stalin took a, you know, very farm, farm oriented rural country into what a world superpower. Yeah. You know, a lot of industry. But I do think Sta is darville. Hitler on the other hand I think, you know, I wouldn't say he's like, I would treat him more or less. I don't think he's should be a damn figure. I would treat him more or less like Napoleon and, I mean, he built the country very good. I mean, he built their economy from, you know, people being homeless, unemployment being rampant. You know, see on unemployment being basically zero. Yeah. Um, in only six years, you know, before the war started. And, um, I think he is a misjudged figure in history, to be honest. Interesting. I do. Yeah. Wow. Interesting. Do you still think he might be He's like bad though, because he, um, world War II and Yeah, I don't think he necessarily caused World War II a hundred percent. I think. I think history is very, I don't think it's, it isn't, history is not like Star Wars and a lot of the narratives today is that it's like Star Wars, which I mean might be like Star Wars, is that everything's the a hundred percent good guy or a hundred percent bad guy. Yeah. Which it's not, you gotta look at both sides. Mm-hmm. You do, you do gotta look at both sides and people have certain narratives that they'll push because. Certain narratives benefit themselves, well, other narratives will benefit someone else. So y'all look at both sides of the story. I think Hitler is a misjudged figure in history to honest. Interesting. I'm not saying that he's a great guy. Yeah. Um, I'm not saying that he's the worst guy ever to exist. I'd say the worst guy ever judge is probably like Miles Don, to be honest. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Mao Yeah. Well. That's maybe another question I have is, um, today communists are almost like praised, like, oh, you're communist. So cool. That's super awesome. We'll start a political action committee and they get funding and everything. And then there's fascists who are sort of like, looked at as evil, right? Largely because of, uh, affiliation with Hitler and Mussolini maybe. They're both ends of the spectrum politically, but one is like almost embraced. And one is damned and the one that is embraced is responsible, at least statistically, for way more misery and death. And so I don't have you ever thought about that? Yeah, I have looked at that. And um, that's a very, that's a very interesting take. Um, communism, it's a lot easier. It's a lot more international. Mm-hmm. You know, it can be copy and paste and people can be controlled a lot easier. Well, yeah. Say fascism for example, is a very nationalistic ideology. Right. And it isn't exactly Copy and paste country to country. Liberals and a lot of our ideology today mainstream, it's very liberal ideology. So you know that Communist Marxist rhetoric isn't exactly disencouraged. Mm-hmm. Different institutions that we have, you know? Yeah. Schools, media, stuff like that. Right. Right. Yeah, I just find it interesting, like, I wouldn't consider us fascist or communist, but I find like the political, the, the, the sort of bookends of political ideology, uh, one being sort of okay, and the other being evil is like, yeah. Yeah. It's very weird. It's weird when, you know, communism has caused way more death, way more fascism. Yeah. Well, I was going back to the World War ii. What do you actually think getting co with, what do I think Cause World War ii? Well, Germany House of World War II started, they wanted the Dan in corridor, which was a, basically a little area. There was East Prussia, which was over here, and then Germany was over here, and then Poland was right here and they had the dancing corridor. And in dancing it was ethnically German. And, um. Yes. Hitler pretty much wanted the dancing corridor connect East Prussia with the rest of Germany, and he tried to make a lot of peace with Poland. He never wanted to go with Poland. He never wanted to go with Britain. Hitler even said that multiple times. And yes, he then, um, had to invade Poland because Poland did not give it up and Hitler's whole premise disagree or agree with it. He wanted to unite all the German people under one nation, and so he invaded Poland. And then Britain guaranteed Poland obviously. And so did France. And then that's how World War II started. But was it really over Poland? Because if you look at after World War II ended, guess what happened to Poland became a Soviet Union puppet state. Mm-hmm. And no one talked about it. Yeah. So that's how World War II started. That's the narrative because of Poland. Interesting. Spanish. For what I've heard though, I've heard that he really, that I do agree. He don't, I don't think he wanted to face the UK. But from what I've heard, he really wanted Russia. He did wanna go with Russia. He wanted, he really wanted Russia. He did. He wanted, so he did kind of start, because he realize that because he went, wanted to go over there, he realized that Bolshevism was a threat to, uh, to Europe and Christianity. We could probably unpack that in a whole other podcast. I appreciate this conversation a lot because, uh, I think a lot of people are nervous to express their views and hopefully this will become, more prevalent where people can express their views and. How you end up getting to the best ideas is, uh, you know, pressure testing, debating, and talking. Yeah. So we, uh, really appreciate you coming on. Yeah. Had a lot of fun. And then where can people like find you to support you? Yeah. Uh, Instagram's probably my biggest, it's just Jeff, B-J-E-B-B-A-U-G-H. Okay. Well, thank you for coming on. I had a great time. Thank you guys for having me on. All right. Yeah. Thank you.