Ep.109 Embracing Masculinity w/ Braeden Sorbo

In this episode, hosted at Am Fest, Braeden Sorbo joins the discussion. Braeden, a 24-year-old creator, author, and actor, dives into his latest book 'Embrace Masculinity' and discusses the importance of traditional gender values and the interplay between physical, mental, and spiritual strength. He also touches on the role of Christianity in government, the impact of cultural shifts in Europe, and the complexities of modern society. Join us for an in-depth conversation on masculinity, societal challenges, and the future of young men in today's world. #ProgrammingLionsPodcast

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00:00 Intro

01:00 Defining Masculinity

01:35 Physical and Mental Strength

01:55 The Role of Spiritual Strength

03:21 Off-Topic Fun: Bear vs. Tiger

04:02 The War on Masculinity

08:17 Christianity and Government

13:38 Fall of Christian Europe

14:24 Inherent Nature of Religion

15:06 Question of Diversity

18:53 American Dream

23:31 Role of Christian Men

26:56 Future of Political Movements

Transcript

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Welcome back to the Programming Lions podcast at Am Fest. Today we have Braeden Sorbo. And before we kick off into any other questions, can you just tell us about yourself? Yeah. I love doing my own bio. It makes it so easy'cause it can say all the good parts. So, uh, my name's Braeden Sorbo, 24 year olds creator. Author, actor. I kind of wear many different hats. Uh, my latest book Embrace Masculinity, lifting Men Up in the World that Pushes'em down, is a book designed to lift up young men and young women in different aspects. And, and I dive into the topics with public speaking, that men and women are the same in the dignity that they're afforded by God and how they are viewed in the eyes of their creator, but different in the output. And so the book really emphasizes that. And so I do a lot of public speaking on bringing back traditional gender values, emphasizing. Womanhood, manhood. And uh, yeah, that's, that's my intro. Okay. Well long-winded, you've got a great audience here then of two young men, so this is perfect. So let's start off with a very obvious question.'cause your book is also based on masculinity. What do you do to stay masculine? Oh, man. Okay. So there's three different facets to this. There's, there's different you have to focus on multiple different things for the physical strength. Any sort of fitness that could be going for a walk. It could be power lifting, right? Yeah. Those, those are both things that you're doing that are physical. That is the physical aspect of manhood, but that's not what manhood is. A lot of people hear masculinity, testosterone, and they think, you know, a big lumberjack with a mustache is deadlifting 500 pounds while grilling stakes simultaneously over an open fight. Right? And those may be masculine traits, those may be tendencies that men who are masculine might have. But that's not inherently what masculinity is. And so the first tenet is physical strength, but you can't have physical strength unless you have mental fortitude. If you are not strong mentally, you will not be strong physically. Mm-hmm. Because it doesn't matter how much weight you lift, you will suffer with depression, anxiety, O-C-D-P-C-D, or whatever. Any mental disorder that is affecting you is directly hindering your physical outlook. And so finding that mental strength. And then lastly, how do we find that mental strength through spiritual strength. Mm-hmm. Right? And so it's not enough to be strong. You need to be literate. You need to be well read. You need to be philosophically Fortified mm-hmm. Is the right word, right? Yeah. Socrates was a wrestler. Socrates didn't just debate people with his words. He also was physically domineering. Yeah. And so there is a tenant and people had separated that they've separated the jocks from the learning. And the problem with that is when you do that. You have your fighting done by idiots and your thinking done by cowards wherein it is a true tenet of masculinity to understand that you must be both physically, mentally, and spiritually strong. Yeah. And therefore, masculinity is not inherently domineering or oppressive. It is responsibility. It's sacrificial. Right? Yeah. What I do to stay masculine is, is. Read my Bible, go to church and go to the gym. Yeah. I go, I go to mass and then lift mass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it makes sense. At home we talk a lot about mind, body, spirit. It's essentially what you're saying is they, they're, they're intertwined, right? They're almost like interdependent on each other. Like you can't be one without maybe the others. And uh, it makes, makes a lot of sense. And, um, yeah, in fact, I've seen some posts of you doing some like power lifting the boys we've been getting. You guys have been getting in the gym? They've been getting at it. Yeah. These guys, these guys have been hitting new prs every day. Nice. Right? Yeah. I used to power lift. I used to do a lot of it. Now I'm doing power building, so a little bit less volume overall, but Okay. It's still, you know what I mean? It's, it's the aspect of moving, getting out and actually doing something. Yeah. I have just, this is a totally off topic question, but would you rather wrestle a bear or a tiger? What kind of bear? I don't know, but let's say, uh, black. Black bear. Black bear. I win. Polar bear. I'm running. I can't even escape a polar bear. That's it. Game over. Yeah, you'd be spread. Yeah. Polar, bearss, they're polar. They're, they're tough. Yeah. I'm pretty sure like, like some bears you have to like play dead or you have to like scare them or something. But polar bears you can't do anything. No. You just have to like, and they can swim. Try to escape. Swim. They can swim too. You could even try to go to the cold plunge and get away. But I don't think they're a dad. You'll enjoy it more than you will too. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And alright, so now going back to the actual topics. Why do Democrats kind of want men weak? I would say it's, it's not even just limited to Democrats, but those in charge, and it goes back to even the times of the Bible, right? So, so there, the second chapter of the book is called The War Between the Patriarchs. There is this idea that a patriarchy can be toppled, that we won't have a patriarchal system, and that is inherently flawed. Men will always lead, they will always rule the system because that is what they were created by God to do. Mm-hmm. God gave Adam dominion over the world. He gave Eve the ability to produce. Fruit, right? Eve was the one who carries on the blood of humanity. She carries lifespring. Uh, she, she carries, uh, you know, her, her young offspring. Offspring, that's the word. I'm a little frazzled. But the, the entire idea that the patriarchy can be toppled, that men will not rule is inherently false. There will always be a patriarch. The question is whether or not he would be a good or a bad ruler. Yes. And so when, to answer your question, when it comes to why do you know Democrats, people in charge, why do they hate masculinity? Is because they view it as a threat. Think back to the time of Egypt in the Exodus. Mm-hmm. Right before Moses came. What did the Pharaoh do? He, they, a bad patriarch will do one of three things. First. He will harness the power of the men slavery. Mm-hmm. He will make them build pyramids. He will use them and take their energy and control it and push it towards something for his own good. Yeah. Like for what he wants. Yeah. If that doesn't work, if the men start to rebel, what do they do next? What did they do during Rome bread and circuses? Gladiatorial. Coliseums. Yeah. Distractions. So the second distractions. Mm-hmm. We have that. Now. Look at everyone focusing on the NFL and the NBA and you know what pop star is dating who and all those things, right? It's distractions meant to keep people. Subdued. Yeah. And lastly, the most, you know, heinous of all of them, a bad patriarch will kill. Yeah. And what did Pharaoh do? He killed the young boy. What did every ruler do? Every time a tribe invaded another tribe and one mm-hmm. What did they do? They killed all of the men and they took the women and children. Yeah, yeah. Right. So there is the, the first, the physical harnessing. Mm-hmm. If that doesn't work, it is the suppression and finally it is the killing. And we are at the killing part now because one abortion Yeah. Murdered a third of my generation, 33% of Gen Z is no longer around. But two pornography runs rampant and it is the spiritual killing of young men. And it allows. For the destruction of the soul. Yeah. Which is exactly what, exactly what they want. I mean, they, they view men as a threat because inherently good men will eventually do something. So it's a matter of making men obedient, basically. Yes. It's an obedience thing. Yeah. It seems obvious that. Government and societies want to have obedient and controllable populations so that they can do the things that they want to do. And all the things you mentioned kind of help men to just fall right into that. And interestingly, a lot of men are happy to fall into it, which it easier find easier. Yeah. I It is easier. It's easier. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Maybe that's why. But it's sad to see so many people falling into these things. Like we were talking the other day, jokingly about. Like the NFL lines on the games. We were sitting around the table talking about this game and that game and who's got more point spread and everything. Yeah. And then we go back to like back then with Thomas Jefferson and like George Washington and we're like, they're probably sitting around the same table thinking about how to create a country that sustains itself for hundreds of years. Yeah. It's unbelievable. Two different types of men there, right? Like we were talking about the lines on the game. They're talking about how do we set up a. You know, I don't know, like an architecture of a government that like never fails. Yeah. And even then it was still a ticking time bomb.'cause look at where we're at now. Yeah. It's like, it, it very unfortunately was usurped because it created, I mean, the constitution only works when you have a morally upright and just people. Yeah. But the second you lose that, the Constitution is no longer, it's, it's no longer working. It's going to fail. Yeah. And we're seeing it crumble in real time. That's the crazy part. It's all just, yeah. I've seen statistics where typically a. Good. Like basically any government normally lasts, like typically around 250 years before it starts to collapse. And oh, guess what's coming up soon? The 250th birthday of the constitution. Right. This next year. So, oh my. Let's hope that's not a bad omen. That might lead us into another area of conversation with you as a, devout Christian yourself. Christianity has faded out of like government in terms of like our leadership at the founding was heavily Christian influence, and people often talk about separation of church and state, but we know that the original 13 colonies had Christianity kind of written into their. Documents, um, but the Constitution doesn't really mention it. And so there's this kind of like ongoing battle between Seculars and Christians. And anytime we talk about wanting, you know, Christian is the predominant religious force in America, you know, we get called Christian nationalists and whatever else. But, um, I'm curious, where does Christianity. Stand in government. Where should it be? I believe in Christian theocracy. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm in favor of a Christian monarchy Okay. Monarchal system. Because what we have right now in America is essentially a bunch of little dictators of little kings who are all doing their own bad things to fill their own pockets. Right. Are legally trading. Et cetera. Yeah. And so having a single, and you know, I say this half, half sarcastically mm-hmm. Having a single king doing all the things. You're like, okay, this guy's bad. All right. Bring out the guillotine. This guy's good. We'll let him stay. Right. So you, you can know he's the bad guy or he is not the bad guy. Whereas here you have over 300 different elected officials just in DC alone. Yeah. Not in not incorporating all of the lower judicial or, or legislative executive branches of federal and state governments. So I look at what's going on right now in the suppression and like you mentioned, the first 13 colonies. You were requirements by Declaration of Faith to join, right? Right. You had to pronounce Faith or Professor Faith in Christ. Mm-hmm. To join the original 13 colonies, any of them. And obviously the Constitution does not mention specifically Christianity, right? Mm-hmm. It was, it was a universally understood sentiment. Mm-hmm. And it was something that the founders maybe just didn't realize. They, they, it was so obvious to them. Yeah. They, you know what even do all this was, it was John Adams of, I think was voted as The Constitution only works for a moral and religious nation. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Or people. People, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, everyone likes to go, well it wasn't Christian and separation of church and state, but. And frankly, you can make the argument that a couple of the founders were deists, right? Mm-hmm. They weren't necessarily practicing Christians, but a lot of them were Methodists, so you have a couple different denomination of Christianity within the founders, and then a couple Deists and a couple, you know, Freemasons or whatever, whatever people say. I don't remember all of them. Yeah, but the overarching tenant was a morally upright and just and religious society, right? Mm-hmm. There was that understanding of even if you yourself, are not religious, as long as the government remains religious, because Romans one specifically says that the law of God is written on the hearts of every man. We inherently know what's right and what's wrong. In Romans seven 15 it says, for I do not do the things that I want, but I do the thing that I hate. Yeah. Our flesh is tempted into the, our flesh wants to pull us away from God, even though we know that it's wrong. Mm-hmm. And so that's what we're witnessing now, is people giving into those winds. And I understand this isn't me sitting here on a pedestal condemning anybody who would say otherwise. We go, well, you know. Right. You're just a judgmental Christian. No hate like Christian Love when it's just not affirming a terrible sin. But it's this idea of there has to be some sort of framework because you can go back to, I was just in Paris a couple weeks ago. Mm-hmm. Nice. I went, no, not nice. I witnessed. I witnessed so much debauchery, de degeneracy and just overall the society in Paris was downtrodden. Yeah, it was terrible. My very first day, I go down to the metro and I witnessed two Muslim men jumping a, a Frenchman, shouting, you know, in Arabic beating him. He was bloodied. By the time they left, they walked away shouting. And an old Frenchman comes, uh, is standing next to me on the Metro. Now we're separated, so they were on this side. I was on this side. There's literally no way to get around unless you have a new ticket to go to that side. Mm-hmm. And so I'm sitting there watching that, unable to do anything. And this old Frenchman looks at me, he goes, which just means no one speaks French anymore. I mean, how sad is that? You can go back to even. And this is the crazy part, the 1930s when the Nazis came in and they took over France. Yeah. And Hitler in his memoirs wrote, wow. They're foregoing their religion. They're gonna be gone. Yeah. And look at them now. I mean, that's crazy that even that guy saw. He's like, wow, yeah. This, this society. Right. And obviously his, was like a nationalist, your religion will be the nation and that kind of thing. Mm-hmm. But he saw even the, the direction that Paris was going, that France was going with a, with a nation devoid of religion. Yeah. And so you have even. You know, arguably the worst people in history going, wow, no religion. That's not a good sign. Yeah. And now they're falling obviously without some sort of binding core tenant. Some ideal that keeping the society together, the popula will fall. And that's what we're witnessing. People are at odds. Yeah. No one's having discussions anymore. No one is willing to dialogue because nobody believes anyone has human rights anymore. It's almost like, France and Britain are a foreshadowing of what's happening here. Without a doubt. Like it's, yeah. Now you get, you, you guys haven't been to France, but I have. I, so I've been, I've been to Paris. Yeah. It's not, not the best. It's a shame. The best. It's weird because it's always described it as like the city of love or whatever, right? Yeah. There's also, Philadelphia isnt, I'm sorry, isn't Philadelphia the city of brotherly love, right? Yeah. That one. Okay, so city of love and brotherly love. I, I get it mixed up. Yeah. But well before all of this, before the revolution. Right before the 16th and 17th century during the enlightenment. Mm-hmm. And when the revolution came in the 18th century and they killed all of the Christians, uh, Paris was Catholic. It was called the eldest daughter of the church. Mm. Because it was such a predominantly Christian and Catholic church. Right. King Louis the ninth was, uh, the first, I think he was the first ever saint of king. He went on the crusades. Mm-hmm. He fought in the holy land, like Right. So you have this, this historical evidence Yeah. Of France and of all of Europe. Being bound together with that inherent overarching structure, and then they threw it all away, and now we're looking at them fall down every country except Poland and Hungary. Yeah. That's insane. Yes. Like some of the greatest nations are falling because of that. Yeah. Well, when you replace. There will always be religion, every, no matter what anybody says, you can't be an atheist without having religion. Your religion is simply nothing. That's all it is. Right? So every religion or every person inherently believes in a religion and they make themselves God or they make something else God. Mm-hmm. So if you do that, then you obviously set yourself up. Failure, which is what we're witnessing. Yeah. And it might not be failure on earth. Right. They're very successful people who are atheists. Who hate God. They're very successful, wealthy, influential people. Yeah. Who are devoid of all moral characteristics and attributes, and they're very profitable here on Earth. They're very successful. Yeah. Well, I mean, you, you, you can be, I guess money can be your God, right? Yeah. Very easily. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so let me ask, this is maybe a controversial question, but do you think diversity is our strength? No. No, no. Poland is. And this is, this is the crazy part, right? I just read a thing about, um, the sexual assault, assault statistics. Mm-hmm. Out of a hundred thousand, Poland was a 10th of all of the other countries in the, the European Union. Interesting. The United Kingdoms, the London Wales, not London uh, uh, England and Wales, Uhhuh, Scotland, Ireland, Belgium, Elgin, Germany, France, Uhhuh, all have much higher rates of sexual assault. Yeah. And it's, it's only climbing Poland is. 96% polish. Not even just 96% like white Europeans, 96% polish. Yeah. There is a reason why, and, and, and this is the thing, it does not inherently deem anybody inferior, but unless people are willing to, and this is, this is why the idea of a melting pot doesn't work because people come and they don't know, they don't assimilate. This is under, so, so under the banner of Christ, there are no differences. Mm-hmm. Outside of that banner, there are differences and those must be realized. Yeah. Yeah. And so then it becomes problematic if you even ask the question like, should we be giving citizenship to hundreds of thousands, millions of Muslims coming into the country? No. Is that compatible with Christianity like that? Those are, those are questions you get called a racist and all kinds of things for these days, but, but never a liar. Liar. Yes. Never a liar, but liar. Yeah. But it seems to be a valid question. There's so much getting stirred up and like so much hatred that ha that's happening. And if we look at France and, and, uh, the UK as foreshadowing, like, like it makes me worry a lot about what could potentially happen here. Yeah. It is scary. Yeah. I. I don't want it to happen. That's why I'm trying to, that's why we're all here, right? Yeah. It's, it's not the idea of, like I said earlier, we're not standing on top of a pedestal saying, you're inferior. You're inferior, you're inferior. Get out, get out, get out. Right? Mm-hmm. That's not a Christian tenant. Yeah. Right. So the church teaches very clearly that every person is made with. A certain unalienable dignity and is viewed by a God the same. That does not mean that there aren't differences between people and cultures. Right. A culture where it is okay to rape women or eat dogs is not a culture that's compatible with a Christian nation right now. If a person comes from that culture and foregoes it. Pushes it away and accepts Christianity and assimilates into the Christian nation. That's another thing. Then it's a completely different thing. And that's not what I'm arguing against. Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. But it is. Yeah, but that's not what's happening. Right. People who are coming into our country and telling us that we're terrible, our systems are ethics, our governance is terrible, we should change to their ways that is problematic. It's, I, I fully agree, and I think, you know, and you are a young. Man on the right and when younger men are drifting further and further right. Women, not so much. But, um, ultimately, I think this is why I think people are waking up and being like this, you know, we don't want our future ruined. And, and I think, you know, these boys are on the younger side of this, but even they're seeing it like, we don't want our future flush down the toilet. We want a country that, you know, we can live in that like our grandparents talked about. What's your take on that? Yeah. There's. So there's two types of men in the world, those who are devoid of reason and purpose, and those who are slowly figuring it out and or have it. Yeah. I don't fully have my reason or purpose yet. I'm not married, I don't have kids, I don't have a family to provide for yet. I'm engaged. I'm getting ready to get married. Oh, congrats. Thank you very much. It's really cool. Very awesome, exciting stuff. That's great. But that's my purpose. Mm-hmm. My purpose is to live a godly life and set an example for my children and create a country that I'm proud of them to grow up in. Yeah. Our government right now, this government, this current administration is about to print$40 billion every month for the first three months of 2026. That's$120 billion to buy T-bills, which will only increase inflation. Yes. It will only push the grasp of meowing a house where you guys owning a house out of our reach even farther. Oh my gosh. That is pushing men farther and farther away. From parties. Right. It's for me, I don't look at it as right and left. I look at it, are you. Hm. Here for the betterment of the nation. Mm-hmm. And the furtherance of the gospel, the Christian people. Mm-hmm. Or are you not? Because you're either on the side of the rights or of the righteous. Mm-hmm. Or you are not. Yeah. And every other religion in the world does that except us, except for Christians. Every other religion in the world goes, you're either righteous or you're not, and we're gonna do something about it. Yeah. Except for Christians is the idea of, well, everybody just needs. For you to love on. Some people need hard love. Yeah. Some people need a little bit of truth. Yeah. Like that doesn't mean truth is go up. Compassion. Truth is compassion. Yeah. It's, it doesn't mean go up and be like, you're gonna burn a hell and die and let's convince. Right. Like, that's not gonna, that's not gonna win anybody over. That's a stupid, I don't, I don't understand how people do that in the middle of the street. Yeah. And expect to win, but young men, myself included, are alienated because the American dream is not feasible. Yeah. I cannot support a family on a college. Teacher's salary. Right. My grandpa was a middle school teacher, seventh and eighth grade, boys math and biology. He supported a family of seven. Right. He had five kids. They, they struggled. They weren't like living luxuriously or anything. Right. But they made it. You couldn't possibly do that today. You couldn't have one kid, let alone five. Yeah. There was something very clearly wrong with the system. We live in what's called a khap economy, and so all of the people who currently hold assets, all of the older generational boomers, you know? Yeah. Gen X. They hold assets, those assets appreciate in value as things like mm-hmm. Dollars are printed. Yeah. Because all it does is rise up the price of their house. Yeah. The people who don't own assets. I don't own a house. I'm 24 years old. Right. I can't buy a house down payment. Like what? Yeah. Yeah. I don't own assets. Because those are going farther and farther up. Yeah. I'm going here and most of the people that are in my generation are on this down shape. Yeah. Right. Yeah. This isn't, woe is me. This isn't, nothing is possible, but it's what's happening and it's, yeah. Unless we're willing to talk about it, nothing will be done. It's, it's a great explanation. This is actually something we've talked a lot about with the boys because I wanna make sure they understand how economics work. Yeah. Inflation. When the co country takes on debt, that requires printing of TBIs and inflation, and that exacerbates the wealth divide. And so we we talk about this a lot and you know, it's interesting because we get torn up online anytime I talk about debt and we should stop, you know, we gotta spend less. Um, because it feels like a lot of people are voting against their own best interest these days and they don't understand what you just went over eloquently. Yes. And it's a shame because, um, yeah, this is actually what's gonna create more and more wealth. Divide me. I'm a Gen Xer, I have some assets. If we wanna keep printing and taking debt, it's gonna be fine for me. Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna be just fine. And so I'm advocating not for me. I'm advocating for my kids.'Cause you understand that you're not like, we're not here forever. The idea is to, it's not good for the long term. Continue pushing the country. We are on the brink of falling every other country that has reached this point of de degeneracy, debauchery, inflation, you know, economic crashing. Every other country that's gotten to this point has never returned. Now, America's different. We can, but we're not looking like we want to. Yeah, right. People think that if we just print more and give more money to the people, that that'll alleviate the problem. But it's not, it's putting a bandaid on a bullet hole that doesn't fix anything. It makes it feel better for the time being though. Right. And our system doesn't necessarily seem set up for it because each president that gets in, even Trump to some extent, right? He like, they're immediately campaigning. For either their next run or the next person's run and nobody wants to fail on their watch or make the hard decisions that are painful for Americans.'cause yeah, certainly there's gonna be pain for us to repair things and it, it's gonna hurt, it's it's gonna hurt and nobody wants that to happen on their watch. And so then it becomes this kick the can sort of into infinity. It's what we saw with Obamacare and the subsidies for insurance. Yes. The exact same thing. Yes. A perfect example. Keep pushing it down. Keep pushing it down. We'll keep subsidizing, we'll keep subsidizing and then it runs out and now everyone's hurting. Yeah, everyone's hurting. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, it's a total mess. So I am curious'cause you kind of like us, how you. Also have like, you know, a channel and like you talk a lot about politics. What would you say is your strongest topic that's poss or like your most controversial topic that you cover on your channel? Probably the return to masculinity, Christian theocracy right? Is the idea of, of Christian men leading. Because when Christian men lead, and this is a specific caveat, remember good and bad patriarchs mm-hmm. When Christian men lead societies flourish mm-hmm. Because the inherent tenets of Christianity. Specifically masculine Christianity are sacrificial. And so if you are a truly righteous and Christian man, you will be living a sacrificial life, taking responsibility for those around you. And that only goes up as you, as you, you know, gain power. So first my wife, then my wife and my kids. If I become a community leader, then my community, I still prioritize my wife and kids first, but the community now comes eventually as you climb up. A governor of a state, your entire state, if you're not willing to take responsibility for them, then you're failing at your job and all the way up to president. Your social media and your reach is growing and you've got a book now coming out and we're on social media and the toxicity is off the charts. It's really dark. Oh man. We get threats. I'm sure you do. And. There's days where we sit and we think, is any of this making a difference? Because sometimes when I log in, I, I feel like there's more degeneracy, there's more degeneracy than two years ago when we started all of this. Yeah. And I'm, I wanna be convinced that things are moving in the right direction, but I also wanna be realistic. And so what's your take on are things actually changing or do they have to get worse before they get better? They're getting better. Okay. They are, they are changing specifically with young men. You were talking earlier, you mentioned there's a slight trend to the right. Yeah. Young men feel alienated, and I will, I'll make this a caveat, right?'cause it's not Republican or Democrat. It's not, it's not a party issue. There is a return to Christianity specifically among young men. More young couples are attending church in the United Kingdom than ever before. Great than any of the pre, previous, like two or three generations. Okay. The Archdiocese of Los Angeles, the, the, uh, Catholic Church saw a 34% uptick in converts from 2024 to 25. Okay. The year before that saw an almost 30% uptick from 23 to 24. This year there's probably a 40% jump. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. My church has over a hundred people. Last year when I was, when I was doing, my initiation was 60. Okay, so, so they're over, over, over. It's building, building, building, building, building. Specifically young men, and there are plenty of young women who are doing it too, but they're going to lag behind a little bit because it takes a long time for the influence that society has on people, specifically young women to wash off. Yeah. God created women to be followers, not because they're less than, not because they're inferior. Right. Obviously everyone knows this. I hate having to repeat it. Yeah. But because there is a divine order in the universe. And so whether, whether the feminist wanna admit it or not, they're following just not their husband. Yeah. And so it's going to take a while for the tides to change, but I truly believe that they will. If men can, and they should lead the way on coming out of this and I think through faith is, is is the way to do it. I even think about this with the trends of. Things like OnlyFans and so forth. Yeah. People are always like, you see some channels blaming the women. I actually blame the men for consuming it. I blame, I blame the men because the women are just fulfilling a need. Yes. They're, they're just capitalizing on a demand. Yeah. And if we remove the demand, well those women will need other things to do and they might be dating more of these men that are consuming these things and might build relationships and it would be a better society. Yeah. And so I, I think it's a good example like where men need to lead. We've covered a lot. And we are at America Fest. What do you think happens with the void that Charlie Kirk leaves in the movement? It doesn't get filled by another Charlie Kirk. Mm-hmm. It doesn't, there are too many people who saw what happened and have realized that discussion is not impossible, but it's getting there. Mm-hmm. And so there are less people who are willing to have a discussion, a genuine sit down to figure out the issues. They just wanna rise to power on both sides. Yeah. And that can be very dangerous if the wrong person gets in power. Mm-hmm. So what happens next? I don't know. When I see trends, I can go, oh, well this will end poorly or this will end well, and nine times outta 10, I end up predicting it correctly. Mm-hmm. I have nothing for this one. Okay. Okay. Well, we'll, uh, we'll hold, hold onto our seats. Is there any way that anyone could support you on any social media channel or by buying your buck on any spot? Yeah, that's a great question. If they wanna go support me, they can go to just at Braeden Sorbo, it's just my username, B-R-A-E-D-E-N-S-O-R-B-O. It says it right there up at the top. And that Braeden robbo.com is also the website for you can get the book. This is Embrace Masculinity. I have a second book called The BS Guide to Politics, which is a sarcastic political dictionary aimed at younger people, getting them involved in politics. Okay, nice. And I'm working on my third book right now. It's in the works, so we're keeping it very low key, but I am so excited for this one. Okay, good. Very cool. Well, hey, we're really glad you had the time to sit down with us and thanks so much for taking some time. Thank you guys. Thanks for coming on.