From Delirious? To Big Church Festival: Tim Jupp's Faith Filled Adventure

Step into an inspiring journey with Tim Jupp, the visionary behind Big Church Festival and a founding member of Delirious?. From their humble beginnings with "Cutting Edge," a worship movement born out of Arun Church in Littlehampton, to sharing stages with global megastars like Bon Jovi, Tim reflects on the extraordinary ways God has moved through his life and ministry.

This episode is packed with incredible stories—transformative worship events, life on the road with Delirious?, and the faith it takes to build one of the UK’s most celebrated worship festivals. Tim’s journey is a testament to bold obedience, God’s faithfulness, and the power of worship to change lives.

Whether you’re a dreamer, a worship leader, or simply seeking encouragement, this conversation will inspire you to step out in faith and trust God with your calling.

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Transcript – Tim Jupp Podcast

00:00:00 Show announcer
You're listening to the Jesus Studio podcast.
00:00:03 Tim Jupp
The song he wrote, I found Jesus and it says when I hear this singing on the streets that Jesus is alive, that lyric would come from those conversations or it felt like there was so much passion and excitement and so much going on in the room. It's like we couldn't contain it. What happens if this?
00:00:21 Tim Jupp
Excitement and passion for Jesus spilled out onto the streets where we live.
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Would that be like people in the streets start singing about Jesus? So we'd write a song about that, and then two weeks after giving our jobs up and started this, we get this call from a guy.
00:00:36 Tim Jupp
In California, all of a sudden and this guy in California says, hey, I've heard you're cutting edge tapes. They've got out here, says I love what you're doing. I love your music. Says how would you like to come to California?
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The.
00:00:57 Ash
Welcome to the Jesus Studio podcast. I'm ash and I'm here with.
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Jem.
00:01:02 Ash
And today we have Tim Jar, who is the other half of our church leader Becca Jar. He's the founder of the biggest Christian festival in the UK, Big Church festival. You may know him as the former member of Delirious, an iconic Christian 90s band.
00:01:19 Ash
Welcome, Tim to the podcast. Thank.
00:01:21 Ash
For having me.
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Thank you.
00:01:23 Ash
And tell us your.
00:01:24 Tim Jupp
Story, Tim. Great. Well, thanks for kind of getting in. The fact I was abandoned in the 90s, that's already established roughly my age. So I'm kind of knocking on just shy of 60.
00:01:35 Tim Jupp
There's time.
00:01:36 Tim Jupp
So but here we are. So this is great to be here. And so going just, you know, going back to my childhood is going back quite a few years. So it's definitely definitely delving into the recesses of my memory in my mind.
00:01:51 Tim Jupp
So I was born in 1966, a great year. I was born in England on the World Cup, 66 always lived on the South Coast. I was the middle child where I stand, the middle child of three children. I've got an older sister and a younger brother.
00:02:07 Tim Jupp
I was born in Eastbourne on the on the South Coast.
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I've always lived along the South Coast.
00:02:13 Tim Jupp
He will today chant in your house, also on the South Coast in West Sussex, so I haven't wave too far over the years and I was brought up in a Christian home where it's a little Baptist Church in the town that we went to.
00:02:29 Tim Jupp
And I don't I don't have.
00:02:31 Tim Jupp
Many, many memories of that other than being made to go to church, I spent a lot of kids remember that feeling of every Sunday. That's what you did. And I can remember being.
00:02:41 Tim Jupp
Going off to Sunday school as a kid and and and doing that sort of thing, and I can't remember my school is a little bit we lived in the.
00:02:52 Tim Jupp
Road that backed onto a common ground where we used to do cross country running with the school so I can remember the the cross country run going around the cut the common and then it would go down the street that I lived in I can remember.
00:03:07 Tim Jupp
Warming down the street with my mates and diving into the back garden of the house that we lived in, missing two or three laps because I heard cross country running and then on the final lap would jump out of the garden again and join in the road.
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And kind of make out that we've done the whole thing for time. We got back and that was.
00:03:27 Tim Jupp
When I knew.
00:03:28 Tim Jupp
From the sporting the age of five, I moved to town, called Bexhill on sea, just along the coast. It also in East Sussex.
00:03:36 Tim Jupp
And then at the age of 13, we moved to Worthing.
00:03:42 Tim Jupp
And so being in this little Baptist Church, when I lived my musical journey really started, I think, at the age of five, it seems. Remember when my parents forced me to have funer lessons and that I really remember is.
00:03:57 Tim Jupp
There was this very stone and rather strict older lady who was the captain of the of the.
00:04:04 Tim Jupp
Provide in the town and she was also moonlighting as a piano teacher the rest of the time, and she was my piano teacher. And I can remember absolutely hating every minute of it and being made to go to these piano lessons and begging.
00:04:19 Tim Jupp
As a as a young child for years to stop going, and I think I've managed to get free by about the age of 11 so but it but but to this day that is the enemy is called qualification I actually.
00:04:33 Tim Jupp
This was grade one piano, so she has something that I have to be grateful for having.
00:04:39 Tim Jupp
Done that with her at the age of 11. And then we moved to where the you was starting. I picked up the trumpet at that point, gave up the piano and picked up the trumpet. Had lessons for that and actually really enjoyed that. And we start. I was played in.
00:04:55 Tim Jupp
Jazz bands and swing bands. I played in the worldly philomonic orchestra. I played in classical little groups and and I kind of got to go like grade 8 standard with that.
00:05:07 Tim Jupp
And enjoy that I at the age of 13, I can remember a kind of small semi professional little outfit. Did handles Messiah in a local church 1 Easter and.
00:05:20 Tim Jupp
Something you've got the gate to do. The trumpet pile, which is quite a big challenge at that age, at the age of 13. And I was so young that I didn't have the stamina to get through the whole of handles. Messiah. So there was another guy who was like similar age to me. And we kind of shared it and did half of it each because.
00:05:37 Tim Jupp
None of us had enough puff to do the whole thing.
00:05:39 Tim Jupp
Together so. But we were playing at quite a high level quite an early age and I really enjoyed that and something I've let go years and years ago because if anybody plays a brass instrument, you'll know that.
00:05:52 Tim Jupp
As soon as you stop going, your lip gets all Flappy and kind of gives up the, you know it gives up and you can't really carry on doing that. So I've still got a trumpet at home, bird with somewhere in the garage and at best it probably comes out for one Christmas Carol every Christmas. That's about it.
00:06:09 Tim Jupp
On the trumpet. So we moved to Worthing. When over 13 and at that point I think I would say, I obviously in terms of my Christian journey, I did have an experience at the age of 10 where.
00:06:27 Tim Jupp
I can remember a moment of saying I want to give my life to Jesus and doing that and telling my parents.
00:06:34 Tim Jupp
I went to a primary school and the teacher, my conform teacher was a Christian and she ran a little camp for kind of, I guess people of my age. I was probably 10 or 11 at the time at a place called Ashburn in place in East Sussex.
00:06:53 Tim Jupp
And that's probably the first camp I ever went to that without my parents, and it was around the so that would have been at the age of 1076 and it was around the early days of.
00:07:04 Tim Jupp
Where people.
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Were experiencing. I guess what we call renewal back then.
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And these teachers, he was her and her husband had.
00:07:17 Tim Jupp
Experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit and something they just wanted to any opportunity to prove the kids that they met with. So we went on this camp in the summer and all I could remember was definitely got to pray for to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
00:07:33 Tim Jupp
And at that early age probably didn't understand what that meant. I can remember an experience.
00:07:41 Tim Jupp
Brightly let me move to.
00:07:43 Tim Jupp
When he was 13 and up to that point, I've been in probably quite a safe and unthreatening. I guess environment in this little Baptist Church, and we went to a church.
00:07:58 Tim Jupp
In Worthing, which was also start to experience this whole kind of thing.
00:08:03 Tim Jupp
Going on and that was the time when, you know, a big part of that was music was starting to change the face of church a little bit and it was around the early days when people did things in churches called a time of worship, which they'd never done before.
00:08:20 Tim Jupp
Until that point, in either sung hymns or they'd sung a few choruses still interspersed by.
00:08:25 Tim Jupp
Notices and all the offering and a few Bible readings and things. But we went to a church which would have what we called a time of worship in fact.
00:08:35 Tim Jupp
Someone told me years on that the first person, whoever really did that, was a guy who's since become a really good friend of Michael Graham Kendrick, who was at spring harvest in the early days of spring harvest. And they did what they call a time of worship, where they'd have 25 minutes of singing once and after another and people going on a journey of worshipping.
00:08:55 Tim Jupp
And so I started to experience that and having given the piano up.
00:09:00 Tim Jupp
You know, a few years before we turned up at this church and there was this old guy called.
00:09:07 Tim Jupp
Who is a retired, quite elderly semi professional jazz pianist and.
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And you can remember it's the first time I had ever experienced someone.
00:09:21 Tim Jupp
Playing, I guess music that somehow seemed to come from inside them rather than.
00:09:26 Tim Jupp
Off a piece of paper.
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But he never had music in front of him and.
00:09:32 Tim Jupp
And I remember asking him, after some time, had you managed to do that, how did you play that? Any music, he says. Oh well, he says, don't ever give me any music. It winds me up. It says he would just sit there and play and play. And I just thought, oh, how's that even possible?
00:09:47 Tim Jupp
And that kind of reignited something in me at that early age.
00:09:52 Tim Jupp
Because he was inspirational and.
00:09:54 Tim Jupp
OK.
00:09:55 Tim Jupp
Kinda just wanted to do that and I was enjoying the songs that we were starting to sing in church. And so I was going home and try and learn them and some people at church started showing me a different way to play. And it's like, you could play with maybe some learning some chords instead of.
00:10:12 Tim Jupp
You know, it doesn't always have to be dots on a piece of music, and you and you can play that way. And I kind of learn a different way to play and.
00:10:22 Tim Jupp
Just really loved it.
00:10:24 Tim Jupp
And I left it so much that I started playing at the church and then this is all going on. And then there was me and we probably had 400 people in the church back then, but no PA system or anything, just the piano at the front. And they had this Steinway piano.
00:10:38 Tim Jupp
And without any piano, you had to bash it so hard to get people to sing along. And I can remember back in the day bashing it so hard till my fingers bled and you finish and easy at the end of the day and there'll be blood on the keyboard.
00:10:52 Tim Jupp
From just tearing you know, shredding your fingers apart from playing this piano because you're just kind of going for it and wanting people to join in.
00:11:01 Tim Jupp
So that was that was around that age. And then the church I was part of immorality started to do meetings in moulding assembly hall where they gathered local churches together.
00:11:16 Tim Jupp
And they're responsible for kind of heading that up and they would gather lots of different churches and then about by that time, I was kind of more involved in the worship of the church. There's probably about 6.
00:11:28 Tim Jupp
16 years old and.
00:11:32 Tim Jupp
Somehow is heading up.
00:11:35 Tim Jupp
Like the worship part of what was going on, there wasn't worship meeting because in those days, whoever led to church led the worship. So they're kind of announced the song staff on the first line and then the band would take over kind of thing. So I was definitely kind of pulling the bands together at quite a young age.
00:11:53 Tim Jupp
And we'll be a weerthing assembly when there'll be 8 or 900 people will gather together.
00:11:59 Tim Jupp
For this kind of town hall celebration type meetings that we had in Worthing back then, different churches from the area would come together.
00:12:07 Tim Jupp
Together and gosh, that was terrifying in a way because of this huge, enormous time, my PNL, I've never been.
00:12:17 Tim Jupp
A very I wasn't proficient musician, I've just been someone who's just left it. Enjoy doing it, but not really technical or certainly a virtuoso or anything like that. And I'd by that point I was a bit self-taught and certainly it was kind of blacking my way through.
00:12:33 Tim Jupp
Things, but we'll start doing those meetings and one of the churches they used to attend that meeting was a church called Rustington Christian Fellowship from Rustington and the people from that church used to come over to their celebration meetings. And then there was a one of the people in from Wilson to in Christian fellowship. One of the leaders was a guy called Ishmael.
00:12:54 Tim Jupp
And I didn't think about him, but he had seen me play at these meetings and I I didn't know this, but he led the kids work at spring harvest and so he got a hold of my number called me. One day. I think it was about I must have been 17 years old or something.
00:13:12 Tim Jupp
And so I'm putting A-Team together for spring harvest.
00:13:16 Tim Jupp
Would you come to spring harvest and then?
00:13:19 Tim Jupp
Be part of the team and I love you to play keyboards and.
00:13:25 Tim Jupp
I I don't. I really remember what I played because it certainly wasn't the royal piano. It wasn't the style where they had in rooting, assembly hall, back in the church.
00:13:32 Tim Jupp
Came from.
00:13:34 Tim Jupp
I was aboard some Casio kevil from somebody or something like that back in these days and we we had. We had a band at Spring Harvest and some other people have been around in Christian music.
00:13:49 Tim Jupp
That band, and I think Sue really was in it.
00:13:53 Tim Jupp
A guy who now lives a church up the road from where Clive Urquhart was the drug.
00:13:57 Tim Jupp
Comma. I played keys.
00:14:02 Tim Jupp
I can't even remember a guy called Dog Hall, and he also went on. Did kids music was playing guitar and that was a band for the kids stuff. So we did that and.
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Ended up doing I.
00:14:14 Tim Jupp
Ended up doing that for 12 years altogether.
00:14:18 Tim Jupp
And the first couple of years is kind of all the time I left school was going on from there and spring harvest.
00:14:26 Tim Jupp
And the first two years when?
00:14:26 Tim Jupp
Left school when I worked in a bank.
00:14:29 Tim Jupp
I ended up working in a bank because I remember talking to the guy who owns.
00:14:34 Tim Jupp
And I also pray about an age of 14 when I got into this church and I saw this guy Ron, play the piano.
00:14:41 Tim Jupp
Definitely got birth something. You my heart for music. And I thought that's just what I want to do with my life. I'm just gonna do that. And I can't remember my the pastor of the church sit me down one day when we were starting those town hall meetings. Say so. What are you going to do with your life? What do you want to do? I said I just want to do music.
00:14:58 Tim Jupp
Just want to do music for God and he's like.
00:15:01 Tim Jupp
Yeah, great. But what are you going to do for a job? And I'm like, no, it's just what I want to do. I want to do that. And he said, but no one does that as a job. You can't do that. The only way you get paid for doing music in church back.
00:15:12 Tim Jupp
Was being an organist in a cathedral or something, but he said you can't do that, he said. I have heard of one or two big churches.
00:15:19 Tim Jupp
America, who appoint these what they call worship leaders.
00:15:23 Tim Jupp
But he says I did nothing like that in England, so you can't do that for a job. You have to get a proper job. You can't do music.
00:15:29 Tim Jupp
And.
00:15:32 Tim Jupp
So our balance is felt light inside. That's all I was ever going to do. I just wanted to do that. So I just kind of kept going. And so when the Ishmael thing came along, it wasn't like I had a burden, passion for playing children's songs. But it was like the only opportunity you ever presented in front of me to do music.
00:15:49 Tim Jupp
That was, you know, I guess a whole most a hobby at the time. So I was, I would be working in the bank during the during the day.
00:15:58 Tim Jupp
Monday to Friday and every every Friday night. Leave work early or would be every Friday and Saturday somewhere around the country doing.
00:16:07 Tim Jupp
What we call family praise parties and doing music and then in the end that became so busy. I remember sitting down with this bank, the bank manager and I was in a in a barge which had 14 staff in it. When I worked in the bank.
00:16:21 Tim Jupp
And there was a manager at the top and there was me, the junior at the bottom, and then twelve win in between. So and I can remember them the manager getting me into his room and saying Oh well, son, he'd say we're considering putting you in an accelerated management training scheme.
00:16:38 Tim Jupp
Do you see yourself doing my job when my.
00:16:43 Tim Jupp
Age and philosophy, I thought. Well, this is weird because I'm the junior. You should be putting all these women on that. But I hadn't realised at the time probably how misogynistic the whole banking culture was. And it definitely was probably back in those days, far more than I would have understood.
00:16:58 Tim Jupp
In today's terms and, but I do remember just turning around and I said, oh, I'm never so sorry. I said there's no chance on Earth that I'll ever even be working in a bank. Not.
00:17:08 Tim Jupp
I'm your age because my heart was so set on doing music.
00:17:13 Tim Jupp
And after that they was kind of downhill all the way from me in the bank, they started sending me out as a relief cashier all over the county every day. They kind of gave up on me, stopped training me, everything like that. And I thought I thought, well, let's bring that and.
00:17:29 Tim Jupp
Within six months of that, I left the bank and I actually got a job as a bus driver. I trained part time to get my bus driving badge and then I had a friend who was starting a bus company in Worthing.
00:17:41 Tim Jupp
And I don't used to and I needed bit more time 'cause I couldn't work full time and the music thing was.
00:17:48 Tim Jupp
So we'll be away three days a week doing music and three days a week. I was driving buses.
00:17:55 Tim Jupp
All times the day and nights and a day bus routes, you do private highs. I do head nights and stag nights and sort of thing like remember one of the I I used to do. I used to start off about 5:00 in the morning on the buses.
00:18:12 Tim Jupp
I get up at 5:00 in the first round was picking up where he is in Little Hampton and taking to a knicker factory in gory.
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Where it is, women are made knickers for Marks and Spencers all day long.
00:18:22 Tim Jupp
And then I'll drop them off and then I'll pick up a load of common gals. And that was really hard work all around where.
00:18:29 Tim Jupp
Thing and there was a convent back in Little Hampton. Then I'll bring them all back to Little Hampton and one of the girls, actually a bit uncommon than we first pick up was a girl called Louise. Actually, someone new. We both know she's in our church now. And she always remembers to this day that she was one of the naughtiest.
00:18:50 Tim Jupp
That we have on the.
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And I used to pick her up every morning and take her to school in Little Hampton, and then I'd drop them in Little Hampton. Then I would go and pick.
00:19:01 Tim Jupp
A a lady.
00:19:03 Tim Jupp
Who was new school and pick up a special needs kids?
00:19:07 Tim Jupp
All around, Little Hampton will take them to a special needs school in Chichester. Then I would come back and then I had another friend who was doing window cleaning. And so I'd do about 3 hours window cleaning in the day with him. I was only allowed to do the downstairs because I wasn't sure to do the upstairs. I did the.
00:19:23 Tim Jupp
On the window cleaning.
00:19:25 Tim Jupp
And then I get back in the bus and do all those routes in, in, in reverse and picking up the nickel ladies last from.
00:19:33 Tim Jupp
And dropping.
00:19:34 Tim Jupp
Back home, about 6:00 in the evening and then I go out at night and do nightclub runs.
00:19:40 Tim Jupp
And everything like that. And I did that for like two or three years while I was trying to do music because I wasn't getting paid for the music bit, so I had to drive as many hours as I could.
00:19:48 Tim Jupp
I could.
00:19:51 Tim Jupp
And so that's how I go into the thing with Ishmael. But the best part that was, that's How I Met Becca, my wife, because Becca was also part of the children's team. And Becca lived 2 doors up from her. Ishmael lived. So every time I'd drive over to Ishmael's house because we had to load his car or van.
00:20:12 Tim Jupp
Gear from his shed at the back of his garden.
00:20:16 Tim Jupp
I knew Becca and I knew the family because we've been away at spring harvest doing the kids stuff, so I'd always try and get over a few minutes early, pop and say hello.
00:20:25 Tim Jupp
Particularly because I just wanted to see Becca and then we'll load the van up and go drive somewhere. Liverpool or Manchester. Wales. Anywhere around the country. Just to do these kids meet and come back again. So we did that and I ended up.
00:20:40 Tim Jupp
Once I left the bank and doing the bus driver, I ended up working with Ishmael for 10 years.
00:20:44 Tim Jupp
Is doing that so and then after that jumping.
00:20:52 Tim Jupp
We're making sure's records and we're making so many records that we were spending a lot of money on studio time and I said to Ishmael, I said look.
00:21:05 Tim Jupp
Instead of just spending this money in studio, as I said, why don't we just buy some gear and I'll set something up and we'll record them all at home?
00:21:13 Tim Jupp
Says now I can't ask a good idea, so we took a budget.
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A record.
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And I bought.
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A bit of gear with it. I bought a 16 track machine S in my bedroom.
00:21:25 Tim Jupp
At my parents house and I started making records in the bedroom, freshmail back then, and that was the beginning of having a studio that I had, but we couldn't finish the whole record in the studio, so we used to go mix it in the studio and esport. When I was a guy.
00:21:43 Tim Jupp
At the studio in Esport, who used to have a mix of records, his name was Martin Smith and.
00:21:48 Tim Jupp
Martin's about four years younger than me, but he was there on a YTS scheme at the time. Do you remember? He used to get paid £25 a week by the government to do like a training apprenticeship type thing and he was on that and he used to help mix these kids albums for me. We used to do so many.
00:22:05 Tim Jupp
Them.
00:22:07 Tim Jupp
That we.
00:22:07 Tim Jupp
Always hanging out together and working together, the two of us, and neither were making records for for Ishmael, there was a Christian music company called Kingsway at the time.
00:22:20 Tim Jupp
And going back years ago, there was a series of kind of some books that we used to that collected all the songs that people sing in churches and that and that series are called Sons of Fellowship. And they did a whole series called Sons of Fellowship for Kids.
00:22:35 Tim Jupp
And then had sons, that sons of fellowship for kids albums and I used to produce all those albums for, for the Kingsway. So that's how I built up a studio. And in the end, Martin and I became so good friends that.
00:22:49 Tim Jupp
He I persuade him to move over to Ruston where?
00:22:55 Tim Jupp
We were. I then by then rented a premises for the studio, move out of my parents house. I had a three Storey building and we converted the ground floor into a studio and had sound proof rooms and stuff and.
00:23:10 Tim Jupp
Martin came and join me and we.
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The business.
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I I was still doing a few tunes records he had.
00:23:17 Tim Jupp
Got into bit doing kind of live worship records and there were other Christian events like new wine and event called Stoneleigh there was.
00:23:30 Tim Jupp
A vent called Grapevine in Lincolnshire and other Bible week type Christian events.
00:23:38 Tim Jupp
That we would regard Martin Garff and recall the live records for and he then would bring them back and we'd mix them in the studio and stuff. So we kind of still build a bit of a business and it was busy and.
00:23:54 Tim Jupp
Also through that, because we were at new wine, one of the guys who was leading worship for new wine.
00:23:59 Tim Jupp
Youth was a guy called Matt Redman and Martin, and that became really good friends. And then because of that, Matt Redmond came down to our studio and we fact recorded his first two records in down in Littlehampton in my studio.
00:24:15 Tim Jupp
So that was kind of fun, and that would come and stay in a bed and breakfast down the road for about 6 or 8 weeks. Might have been in the studio all day, and I'm sure I've got a few little cameo appearances on his first record.
00:24:28 Tim Jupp
He never knew about where he'd go home at the end of the day and have an early night and Mars, and I would dive back in the studio and start recording bits on his record and and and stuff like that. So that was fun and he so he became a good friend of ours.
00:24:46 Tim Jupp
And we worked together a lot doing that. And then because mine had moved over.
00:24:52 Tim Jupp
Um he he.
00:24:54 Tim Jupp
Styled himself to write some worship songs and a lot of that came because we all got quite influenced by a guy in America called Kevin Prash, who is doing something incredibly.
00:25:06 Tim Jupp
And new in worship and this would be around, I guess early.
00:25:12 Tim Jupp
Early 90s, very early 1990s and Kevin was pretty out there. He's kind of a very prophetic guy, love what he was doing musically.
00:25:23 Tim Jupp
And also we connected to him because he'd often come over to these events in the UK that we were recording the live records for. So we we became friends. And I remember when Kevin used to have a day off in England, he'd come down to Rustington and hang out with us guys. And I can remember.
00:25:41 Tim Jupp
11 time he came down and we said to Kevin. Hello, Kevin. Can we do a worship event with you in the village hall? We had a worship event in Rustington village hall with about 150 people.
00:25:51 Tim Jupp
And it was absolutely amazing. I don't think we'd ever seen anything like it in our lives.
00:25:55 Tim Jupp
And so we became good friends with him, and that was a real inspiration and definitely for Martin was an inspiration in terms of writing songs too. And we just wanted to do something that kind of captured that in worship and.
00:26:10 Tim Jupp
And then Baker was leading the youth group. At that point. We got married in 1990.
00:26:17 Tim Jupp
In in the school hall that we still meeting as a church.
00:26:21 Tim Jupp
And around that time we talked about, oh, should we do a youth thing? And and I think it's in 1992, we started a youth event and we invited the local youth groups in this area that we still live in. And we had about 30 young people in the church back then.
00:26:39 Tim Jupp
And I think we have something.
00:26:41 Tim Jupp
60.
00:26:42 Tim Jupp
Come half and will be from our church and half from all the other churches around the first night we ever did. We did it. A drama room in the angering school.
00:26:52 Tim Jupp
And I think we thought revival broke now because 60 people was unbelievable. We'd never seen anything like that. And that was in 1992 and.
00:27:01 Tim Jupp
We called the event cutting urge and probably sounded a bit arrogant back then. Even now. Then you're back. It's kind of calling it cutting edge because I don't know if it was cutting edge or not, but it was certainly different to anything else that was going on and I think.
00:27:16 Tim Jupp
Because Kevin had Prussia been an influence, a lot of the songs that we were doing in the early days were probably just covering his songs and then out of that night start to write songs and a lot of the songs that he wrote in the early days.
00:27:29 Tim Jupp
Really were, I would say, came out conversations that we would have around that event. So we would meet every month and it would feel like God was doing amazing stuff in the worship we were just.
00:27:44 Tim Jupp
Put it out there and have two 2 1/2 hours of worship, and usually the only thing that got planned was the first song that we're going to start off on. The wrist was pretty spontaneous and we just kind of went with the flow every night. But then Becca's mom would do cheese on toast for the team afterwards, so we'd pack up.
00:28:02 Tim Jupp
And go back to the house round about midnight every month and we just be pumped and full of adrenaline and excited by what God had done when we went together and we would each his own toast and talk about that and have those conversations.
00:28:19 Tim Jupp
And I can remember and then it would feel like mile and go off and write a song, often from those conversations and the following month there'd be a new song we would sing that song.
00:28:33 Tim Jupp
Like sounds like. Did you feel the mountains treble? And I can remember those conversations about?
00:28:41 Tim Jupp
Oh, Can you imagine what this would be like if you know when people rise up and sing of Jesus Christ and and a song he wrote? I found Jesus. And it says well, I hear this singing on the street.
00:28:55 Tim Jupp
That Jesus is alive. That lyric would come from those conversations of it felt like there was so much passion and excitement and so much going on in the room. It's like we couldn't contain it. What happens if this excitement and passion for Jesus spilled out onto the streets?
00:29:10 Tim Jupp
We live.
00:29:11 Tim Jupp
What will that be like? People in the streets start singing about Jesus. So we'd write a song about that, and then a lot of those songs encapsulated really kind of what was happening in that movement. And they were really written for the kids that came along.
00:29:26 Tim Jupp
And so that will bring back in early 90s and.
00:29:33 Tim Jupp
After written a few songs, we decided to record them because we still had the studio, so me and Martin were working in the studio during the day.
00:29:41 Tim Jupp
We youth events called Cutting Edge every month and part time we got his first five songs. It was 6 songs. Currently we did our first cassette and we recorded this little cassette.
00:29:56 Tim Jupp
And I I can remember we'd send them off and get the cassette pressed, and then it would come back and sit in the front room at Baker's mum and dad's house and we'd have to package up these cassettes, cassettes and fold the covers and put the cassette inside and.
00:30:12 Tim Jupp
The lead on.
00:30:13 Tim Jupp
And get them ready to sell at the event because they were really a memento for the for the kids and the young people that came to these cutting edge events.
00:30:21 Tim Jupp
But and then what we did from day one, which is made, I suppose amazing looking back is that we had this prepaid card that we had that said, if you'd like to know about more recordings or what we're doing.
00:30:37 Tim Jupp
Please send us your name and address and we started collecting data from day one about people that we sold cassettes to and in the end those cassettes started to travel and people used to.
00:30:52 Tim Jupp
Very rarely can remember is there was a there was a we didn't have an office or anything like we didn't have an address. Counting age wasn't really a thing. We were the cutting edge band by default because we were the band that played at the Cutting edge event, so we didn't have a name or anything.
00:31:08 Tim Jupp
But the they're being recorded in my little studio and we published the phone number for the studio on these cassettes. And what happens is people start phoning out all day long. So Martin and I were trying to get our job done and working, and we could be.
00:31:24 Tim Jupp
In the studio all day, like with Graham Kendrick trying to record a serious worship record and people just get failing the fail all the time because they picked up this cassette and often they were bookstores. Christian bookstores around the country say.
00:31:36 Tim Jupp
People keep coming in my books. Don't say can I order this cassette and?
00:31:39 Tim Jupp
And there's a phone number as I knew the guys who can send us the cassettes. And so it got a bit annoying with everyone phoning up the studio number, so I can remember the first thing we ever spent the proceeds of when we made that first cassette was we bought a phone line.
00:31:56 Tim Jupp
And so we had our own phone number for cutting edge and a different one to the studio. So it was definitely a period of time for six months from.
00:32:03 Tim Jupp
Year where?
00:32:05 Tim Jupp
The old cassettes had the studio number on and I can remember that studio line would ring during the day quite often and people say oh hello, can I order some cutting edge cassettes and I just say.
00:32:19 Tim Jupp
Well, actually this is the wrong number for that. This is the number for the studio. You have to phone this number and we're trying to educate people and we had another new phone number.
00:32:28 Tim Jupp
And so when I put that phone down and then two seconds later the other phone would ring and I'll pick up that phone as well and say hello, can I help you? And it was me gaming the other line and they said, yeah. And they were like, oh, are you the person I just spoke to, mate? Yeah, I am.
00:32:44 Tim Jupp
Yeah, and.
00:32:45 Tim Jupp
They're all the cutting edge cassette and.
00:32:48 Tim Jupp
Bookstores and and then because we start selling the bookstores, the record company is the Christian record company's. So we need to sign your records to us because we can help you get all your cassettes out into all the stores around the country.
00:33:01 Tim Jupp
Alright. No, it's alright. Things 'cause, they're just ordering them direct. We don't need to do that. We'll just do it on our own. How long can this be? Because the bookstore would phone up and order 10 cassettes and it's like I'll put them in a jiffy bag and another carbon.
00:33:17 Tim Jupp
Handwritten invoice pad and I'd write out an invoice kept a carbon copy of it and sold them 10 cassettes and gave them 25% discount and send it off. So I thought it can't be that hard. We won't need a record company. We're just doing this on our own.
00:33:32 Tim Jupp
And we used to send them out and in the end there was a business that only nearly all the Christian bookstores in the country. And because we, they said.
00:33:41 Tim Jupp
Need to do.
00:33:42 Tim Jupp
Through US and we said no, it's all right. Thanks. And you don't remember.
00:33:46 Tim Jupp
I.
00:33:47 Tim Jupp
Our early 20s.
00:33:49 Tim Jupp
We were kind of kind of kicking against the system a bit and they said you have to do distribution through us and do it properly and we need you need 45% discount on on all your cassettes. And we said no, that's right, because we're just sending them out direct for 25% discount.
00:34:05 Tim Jupp
Account and they actually then banned all their bookstores in the whole of the country in the UK from ordering or selling our stuff because they're trying to prove a point that we had to go through them and then we found that that all their stores carried on all of them from us and then hid our cassettes under the counter.
00:34:26 Tim Jupp
And then selling them in the brown bags, they weren't allowed to buy. The company that owned the stores, but they wanted to keep saving because they, you know, it was good business for them.
00:34:34 Tim Jupp
So in the end they all gave in to us and we just got proper distribution all across the company all across the country to the UK with our 25% discount and we got a prepaid card in every cassette so we could collect everyone's address so that when the time the next cassette came out was we just could sell them direct anyway.
00:34:55 Tim Jupp
To people because we had everyone's name and address.
00:34:56 Tim Jupp
So we kind of built that up that way. And so we've we've released these cassettes and well as unusual about this while we were doing the cutting edge thing is I think for most bands most bands get out on the road and they tour a lot and they use the touring to promote their songs and their records.
00:35:16 Tim Jupp
And the touring gets out there and pushes the songs out there. And with the cutting edge thing, it's kind of was bit back to front how things grew for us because the songs travelled before we ever did. And I can remember the first time we got invited.
00:35:31 Tim Jupp
To go somewhere? I think it was a.
00:35:33 Tim Jupp
Christian Union, or somebody had organised an event or worship event. It was in Manchester and it's like for us, like, well, we lived on the South Coast. You couldn't get further away from Manchester and we got on our van or whatever and hired a van and drove all the way to Manchester and turned up. There were about 800 people in the room which couldn't believe.
00:35:53 Tim Jupp
And it felt like every single person knew every word to every song because they've been singing the songs for months, long before we'd even made it there ourselves. So it was an amazing thing and that kind of continued for years that we would travel around the world.
00:36:06 Tim Jupp
And people knew the songs.
00:36:08 Tim Jupp
Before we got there.
00:36:09 Tim Jupp
So that was amazing. And then people read the stories about delirious. We'll know that a lot of what birthday is that in 1996? This is four years on from cutting edge.
00:36:21 Tim Jupp
Start in that Martin was actually on one of the jobs that we were doing in the studio where he'd gone out and recorded a live worship.
00:36:30 Tim Jupp
And been an event all weekend.
00:36:34 Tim Jupp
Got in the car and.
00:36:35 Tim Jupp
Last night he got his 24 track machine about the car, got all the tapes of driving home through o'clock 4:00 in the morning and 100 yards.
00:36:46 Tim Jupp
From home, he just fell fall asleep at the wheel, drove into a brick wall, had a really serious car accident and ended up in hospital and he was in there for a few weeks, ended up with a metal pins in his.
00:36:58 Tim Jupp
And stuff. And he was at that time, things are really taking off and the cutting edge thing was going.
00:37:05 Tim Jupp
So much so, in fact, that we had started doing summer events. So we did a monthly event.
00:37:13 Tim Jupp
Every month here and then we'd start other monthly events, one in Portsmouth and one in Southampton, and every month we're seeing about 3000 young people in the South Coast bearing in mind there's never any promotional marketing, the only marketing we ever did at the Cutting edge event was.
00:37:29 Tim Jupp
At the end of every night, when we met every month, we'd say thanks for coming. See you next month and that was it. Like literally all we ever said to anyone.
00:37:37 Tim Jupp
And then the following month, more people would turn up and they bring their mates with them. And we were doing this in three towns across the South Coast and and then at the end of the summer term, like beginning of July, just before school's break up, we decided, well, let's do something outdoors on the beach where we live.
00:37:55 Tim Jupp
And we did that for three or four years and by the 4th year we had over 10,000 people turn up on the sea front and we knew there were 10,000 people because my father-in-law, David had this.
00:38:09 Tim Jupp
Did like on the.
00:38:09 Tim Jupp
This on this.
00:38:12 Tim Jupp
On this kind of bus stop thing at the back of the sea front and he photographed the whole crowd and it was so wide. The crowd he had to photograph it in sections and he went back to his office. He got all the photos blown up big and he stuck them together.
00:38:28 Tim Jupp
These photos, all across his office wall, and he and he put his.
00:38:30 Tim Jupp
Of perspect over this big shot of thousands of people on the sea front and he put a dot on every little person's head and counted them because we didn't know what 10,000 people looked like. We don't know how many people we knew like what 300 people looked like.
00:38:45 Tim Jupp
But not 10,000. We cancel like, Oh my goodness, 10,000 people turned out. And when you're living in a town with only a population of 30,000 and you've got an event on the sea front with the third of the size of the whole town, people where you live really take notice of that.
00:39:01 Tim Jupp
And they did. And there's people to this day, you know, that would have been back almost 30 years ago. Now can still remember those events on the sea front because it was free for everyone to turn up and.
00:39:13 Tim Jupp
You know, we just slung stuff together. We had no budget, we had no money. We just begged and borrowed PA and sound stuff. There was a Christian guy, lived down the road, who had a haulage company. So we kind of begged, would you lend us a flatbed truck and you pull in this truck. We made a stage out of that and I spent three or four days driving around the county to different churches.
00:39:34 Tim Jupp
Astra estate car with various bits of sound equipment and speakers, and we cobbled something together and then we did it on the sea front. But it was amazing times and with give the gospel and people gave their lives to Jesus, then we go and baptise them in the sea straight away.
00:39:50 Tim Jupp
And yeah, really amazing times. And then mine jumping back to sort of jumping around with my timescale here. My hand had this accident.
00:40:01 Tim Jupp
He's lying in hospital thinking he read this book.
00:40:07 Tim Jupp
U twos.
00:40:08 Tim Jupp
Autobiography and I think that there was a piece in there which Bonna talks about never having a Plan B in his life, only having a plan.
00:40:17 Tim Jupp
And mine's like, right? Well, what're planners we're gonna get do this and take the songs around the world. So you can't put everybody into his bedside and said come on, guys.
00:40:29 Tim Jupp
Let's give our jobs up and do this full time. I'll be out in hospital in a couple of weeks. We can start in a couple of weeks. Let's get it going and doing it. And how many and mine worked was he'd have the crazy ideas like that. And I'll be the one that says whoa, hang.
00:40:43 Tim Jupp
A minute.
00:40:45 Tim Jupp
Let's do it in a way that we can take everybody with us. So I come up with a bit of a plan that said, well, maybe.
00:40:50 Tim Jupp
In two weeks time, but.
00:40:53 Tim Jupp
Maybe three months time. We can all come to a decision and then three months after that, you know, we were self-employed, we all had our own businesses. We could, if we're all in, we could then give ourselves three months to wind down whatever work we did.
00:41:08 Tim Jupp
And so six months from that point, that's what happened and everybody was on board and on 1st of April, April Fools Days, 1996, we'd given our jobs up, sold our businesses and decide to go full time. That's when delirious began.
00:41:24 Tim Jupp
And my personal journey for that was an interesting because I own the studio, so it was a bit like, oh, so do I have to give the studio? Because surely if we're going to be in a band, we're going to need a studio because we're going to make records and record stuff.
00:41:39 Tim Jupp
And umm.
00:41:41 Tim Jupp
So Becca and I decided, no, we're in, we're going to do this.
00:41:45 Tim Jupp
We had no.
00:41:47 Tim Jupp
Guarantee of income or anything like that. I mean, it's pretty scary time because we didn't have any money anyway, you know?
00:41:56 Tim Jupp
You won't.
00:41:56 Tim Jupp
Married very long. She'd been a teacher training college. I didn't really make enough money on the studio to take money home. It was mainly servicing loans on equipment and all sorts of stuff.
00:42:08 Tim Jupp
Enough. But we kind of went for it anyway, and when we gave, we made the decision to give.
00:42:17 Tim Jupp
The studio up because we felt even though we needed a studio for the band, we still felt like we need to give it up because we need to really give, you know, throw a lot in and it would be easy to say, well, keep the studio and everyone else gives their business up. But I think we felt we need to let that go too.
00:42:36 Tim Jupp
And four days after.
00:42:40 Tim Jupp
Making a decision and no one knew about it is completely a private thing. I had a call from a guy.
00:42:48 Tim Jupp
Who was a known national worship leader at the time and he said to me, he said, I don't know why, but I'm just giving you a call, he said. If you ever feel like.
00:43:00 Tim Jupp
Like doing anything different or getting rid of the studio or stopping what you're doing says let me know because I want to buy everything off you. I'll buy the whole lot because I'm. I'm going to build a studio where I.
00:43:15 Tim Jupp
And I'm like, well, you won't believe this, but four days later, we've decided that we need to get rid of it all. And so within about six weeks, he came down with a Luton van and he.
00:43:28 Tim Jupp
It just took everything, the whole lot, every cable, every microphone.
00:43:34 Tim Jupp
I had this huge mixing desk which was as long as a room and he took took the whole on and cleared it out basically. And what was also amazing at that time was, is that Becker and I had.
00:43:49 Tim Jupp
We had just had our second baby, would had had Harry, and we were living in the 1st floor flat.
00:43:57 Tim Jupp
And it was tricky getting in and out of the flat and up the stairs with two children. And if I was away, Becca, we were struggling there. We felt they were both. We had both children, one small second bedroom and it was just getting complicated and we felt.
00:44:15 Tim Jupp
Now we need to move on, but I know if anybody remembers around that time around the early 90s, we had a mortgage and it was 14% interest rates and we both.
00:44:27 Tim Jupp
Our first flat in Rustington in 1990 for £50,000.
00:44:33 Tim Jupp
And.
00:44:36 Tim Jupp
And then we sold it six years later for $34,000. So after six years, it'd gone down in value massively. And it's a weird time that anybody you can remember that far back. And it was, it was like the era when people were getting their houses repossessed because they couldn't.
00:44:55 Tim Jupp
Afford the mortgage payments and they couldn't sell them on, so the building society was just repossessing houses.
00:45:02 Tim Jupp
Right and centre. And so we're like, well, how we how are we ever going to move because we can't pay back the mortgage because the house has lost so much money.
00:45:12 Tim Jupp
And all at the same time, within a matter of weeks, someone said, we'll buy the studio for you and we just about made enough off the back of that to clear.
00:45:24 Tim Jupp
The the loss on the on the flat and also give us a bit leftover as a deposit to move to another House and we actually moved back to the street where Beck was brought up in in Jubilee Ave in Rustington and lived there and bought managed to buy a little 3 bedroom. So me.
00:45:41 Tim Jupp
From selling the studio all the time.
00:45:43 Tim Jupp
When would also given our jobs up and didn't even know if.
00:45:45 Tim Jupp
Could afford to live in a.
00:45:47 Tim Jupp
So it.
00:45:48 Tim Jupp
Was a scary time, but it was just so many times like that where we've just done things and then just God comes along and just kind of says no, it's OK. I've got you and and fixes it because we I think we felt we probably need to move on.
00:46:04 Tim Jupp
Didn't know in the natural how that would ever happen, so that was amazing at that time anyway. So that's 96. We give our jobs up, we go full time and then I can remember thinking.
00:46:19 Tim Jupp
Gosh, we're going to carry full time.
00:46:22 Tim Jupp
What we're going to do, and at that point, we were starting to get people invite us around the UK to go and do worship nights and.
00:46:33 Tim Jupp
We we bought a van and I can tell you one thing. When we gave our jobs.
00:46:37 Tim Jupp
Is that the only?
00:46:38 Tim Jupp
That we had a gift from just one person when we gave up and that was.
00:46:46 Tim Jupp
Going back to the old days, he won't mind me saying this, but Graham Kendrick sent us 1000 lbs as a gift when he gift. When he'd heard we're giving our jobs up, he said. Like I'm right there.
00:46:55 Tim Jupp
This is way of saying right behind you guys, I'm cheering you.
00:46:58 Tim Jupp
On you know. Here you go. So he gave us a gift.
00:47:05 Tim Jupp
Help us on our way back then and that was amazing. And then two weeks after giving our jobs up and started this, we get this call from the guy in California all of a sudden and this guy in California says, hey, I've heard.
00:47:21 Tim Jupp
Cutting edge tapes they've got out here, it says. I love what you're doing. I love your music it.
00:47:26 Tim Jupp
How would you like to come to California?
00:47:29 Tim Jupp
And lead worship at a conference.
00:47:31 Tim Jupp
Difference. And we were like, yes. So we've just given our good jobs up and it's like if we needed confirmation.
00:47:40 Tim Jupp
That life's gonna, you know, look different. And God's got us. It's like, what better than going to America? And it's not just America. Like, this is California. That's like America on steroids for us. That's like, exactly where we want it to be. So we couldn't believe it and this guy.
00:47:58 Tim Jupp
His name was Jeff. He's he became a good friend in the end.
00:48:02 Tim Jupp
And he invited so many.
00:48:06 Tim Jupp
He said we.
00:48:07 Tim Jupp
Will do this conference for young adults. This is going to be 500 people at this conference, which you can lead worship on.
00:48:15 Tim Jupp
Site in nine months time, you know? And we're like, yeah, we're definitely coming. We're definitely coming. This is amazing.
00:48:22 Tim Jupp
Anyway, so it gets nearer the time, and I'm and I was kind of always a bit responsible.
00:48:28 Tim Jupp
More for the business side of what we did.
00:48:31 Tim Jupp
And we had our cassettes, you know, back then when it says 500 people going to come to this conference, surely every single person is going to want to buy one of our cassettes.
00:48:43 Tim Jupp
In my naivety, thinking every person would, so we boxed up 500 cassettes and send them on the show.
00:48:50 Tim Jupp
You know, 8 weeks out over to California, so they'd be already at this conference when we arrived and sent off those cassettes thinking that they they would get out there anyway. So we get the times creeping near and we're two weeks out from.
00:49:06 Tim Jupp
Going to the conference and then we suddenly get this call from California and it says to us, guys, things haven't gone quiet as planned. Things aren't looking as good as we may.
00:49:19 Tim Jupp
We've only got 25 people registered for the conference, not 500, and so they said don't bother coming. It's not worth you coming for 25 people. We're like, maybe we bought our flights, we paid for them or we've got our tickets. We're coming.
00:49:35 Tim Jupp
We're like, we're not going to turn this down. We just wanted to go and we paid all the money. We couldn't get the money back on the flight. So we thought well, however, many's out there, we're getting on a plane and going. So two weeks later.
00:49:49 Tim Jupp
We'll jump on the plane, get to California. We had. Paul Burton was our sound man at the time, and he was absolutely mad. Dukes of Hazard fan you have to. If you're younger, you'll have to Google. That was like.
00:50:05 Tim Jupp
A 70s American.
00:50:09 Tim Jupp
I don't know what you call it.
00:50:12 Tim Jupp
And it was based on this fictitious place called Hazard County. So we got off the plane at LAX and he he walked up to the first policeman. He said, hey, Sir, can you tell me the way to Hazard County? He was so excited to be in America. He's the one who's to go and be where jigs of hazard would feel.
00:50:32 Tim Jupp
And I remember that. And then they picked us up at the airport and.
00:50:36 Tim Jupp
And we got in this van. We had to drive. You know, it's like when you've driven, you've flown 12 hours to lax and all you want to do is sleep. And it's in the middle of the night. But then you have to drive another 8 hours. First of all, we had to drive around LA picking up some back line stuff in these uh hall vans.
00:50:54 Tim Jupp
And then drive.
00:50:55 Tim Jupp
8 hours up the coast to Santa Barbara, where the conference was.
00:50:58 Tim Jupp
But on the way to the conference, they said to us, we're really, really sorry to say that because no one's bought tickets to the conference and you know the budgets going a bit well, we don't really have any budget. We're going to put you in this nice hotel.
00:51:15 Tim Jupp
And we don't have hotels anymore. You're all going to stay at Bob's house.
00:51:19 Tim Jupp
So after hours and hours and we've probably been up, I don't know, 30-40 hours at that point.
00:51:26 Tim Jupp
We're absolutely wrecked. We pull up to this big family home and Bob was some middle-aged businessman who was divorced and was away on a on a.
00:51:39 Tim Jupp
Business trip somewhere and and said to the guys that we could use his house so Bob would go off on this trip. He had his family home where his kids would come back every other weekend and stay in. Most bedrooms are full of bunk beds.
00:51:53 Tim Jupp
And I remember going in and then finding out there weren't even enough beds for everyone. And while the guide was on the sofa and and they just dropped us off at Bobby's and mothers got into the bank bed and some, I don't know how it happened.
00:52:08 Tim Jupp
But the other guys kind of says me like you take Bob's bid team, you go in Bob's bed and it's like the only decent big bed in the house. So I got in the double bed into Bob's bed and you know that thing you'd fly to America on that first night?
00:52:23 Tim Jupp
You sleep because you can't half awake, can you? Bit jet lagged.
00:52:27 Tim Jupp
And I'm lying there in the.
00:52:28 Tim Jupp
Of the night and.
00:52:31 Tim Jupp
I'm suddenly awake.
00:52:33 Tim Jupp
In the middle of the night 3 or.
00:52:34 Tim Jupp
In the.
00:52:35 Tim Jupp
The Door Creek open.
00:52:38 Tim Jupp
And the shadowy figure walks into the room. And I'm like, Oh my goodness, what is this? And then following this shadowy figure and the shadowy figure pulls out this like mattress from under the bed I'm on.
00:52:54 Tim Jupp
And slides it out and it's like literally a foot from my face, just beneath me on the side. And this figure gets into the.
00:53:02 Tim Jupp
The Bay.
00:53:03 Tim Jupp
Instead, and I'm thinking that's got to be Bob and I'm pretending to be asleep all night long. And then a dog comes in the room and I don't like dogs at the best of times and jumps on the end of my bed and is lying across the bed and.
00:53:18 Tim Jupp
And I just lie there for hours until finally the sunlight comes into the bedroom and I look down and he's like a foot from my face, just beneath me. And I was like.
00:53:27 Tim Jupp
Hi I guess you must be Bob and Bob's trip. We've got cancer and you come home early and pulled out the matches and got in the room next to me and was sleeping in.
00:53:39 Tim Jupp
So that was the first night with Bob.
00:53:43 Tim Jupp
And then the next day, we.
00:53:44 Tim Jupp
Had to.
00:53:44 Tim Jupp
Up and and go and do this conference. We went to this church.
00:53:49 Tim Jupp
And they were right. There is only 25 people there and we went to this church room and he knows most speaker systems in churches. You have a left and a right both side where this church has had one speaker above the head in the middle is all on Momo. And we got up to play the first song with 25 people and we.
00:54:10 Tim Jupp
Speaker up.
00:54:13 Tim Jupp
So the rest of the weekend was all acoustic.
00:54:16 Tim Jupp
And there was a guy there from Michael Company called Integrity. He's heard about us too, and knew that we're going to be in America.
00:54:23 Tim Jupp
And they've flown halfway across America to be at the conference and to meet with us. So we got to meet him.
00:54:30 Tim Jupp
We did the conference pretty acoustic for a couple of days and played every session with 25 people, but then this church was a venue church which was a.
00:54:40 Tim Jupp
Big movement back in the 90s and still going today, but most of it, particularly in America and particularly in the West Coast and becoming mother ship of the vineyard movement, was a church in Anaheim led by a guy.
00:54:53 Tim Jupp
Called John Wimber.
00:54:55 Tim Jupp
And this church we were at up the coast, was part of that family of churches. And they felt so bad for us that everything had gone so terribly wrong that they've been phoning madly around other vineyard churches to say, hey, these guys are coming away from England, which you.
00:55:10 Tim Jupp
Only worship will come to your church.
00:55:13 Tim Jupp
And.
00:55:15 Tim Jupp
And then Anaheim Vineyard, which was like the mother ship but probably 5000 people in the church back then and said that they can come and leave worship with us and come and leave where we should put the young adults thing on Saturday night.
00:55:30 Tim Jupp
And then on Sunday night, so we drove down the coast.
00:55:35 Tim Jupp
And we did a Saturday night young adults thing, and that lasted about four minutes. 'cause. We blew the power in the building and blew the PA up. He was in the kind of lobby. So the church and they didn't.
00:55:49 Tim Jupp
And so I did that on a Saturday night. And then on a Sunday night, we got to lead worship at the 6:00 service in the main church building. And we only found out later.
00:56:02 Tim Jupp
After having done that that we were the first worship team ever in history to lead worship at Anaheim Vineyard. That wasn't from a vineyard church because they'd made a mistake and they thought we were.
00:56:16 Tim Jupp
Because we were friends of the other church at the way they thought we were from a vineyard church in England, and we definitely weren't. We were just from our own church.
00:56:25 Tim Jupp
And so somehow they let us in, which was very against protocol for them, and they should have never let us in. And I can remember we sat in the little pastors green room out at the back, and they said this is what's going to happen. Is your five to six, you come out on the stage and there was a curtain in front of the stage and on the dot of six the curtain were.
00:56:46 Tim Jupp
It's automatically like this electronic. I want to go open and as it opens, you need to be playing and starting your first song and that's how they would start their worship. So.
00:56:55 Tim Jupp
Services. So we got up there and we did the first song.
00:57:00 Tim Jupp
And the curtain opens and then this, John, remember another major leaders that we all knew of was sitting six feet away from us in the front and we're nearly.
00:57:11 Tim Jupp
Fell off the stage because we couldn't believe we didn't think they'd be.
00:57:14 Tim Jupp
Or anything like that.
00:57:15 Tim Jupp
So that was really, really mad and really scary. And we just love worship for half an hour and did some of those clangers somebody did you feel that's true when I was seeing if you love forever?
00:57:27 Tim Jupp
And that stuff. And then after after that service, it seems to be well received.
00:57:35 Tim Jupp
After that.
00:57:38 Tim Jupp
The worship leader said. You know what we're gonna do is we'd love to take you away out for dinner. And there's this great steak restaurant.
00:57:48 Tim Jupp
The.
00:57:48 Tim Jupp
We're all going to go all right, OK.
00:57:50 Tim Jupp
That.
00:57:51 Tim Jupp
Going for dinner and then one by one, he's starting inviting all members of his worship team.
00:57:57 Tim Jupp
And you know at the time.
00:58:00 Tim Jupp
You know, having a stake in America was like the most unbelievable thing because we don't have steaks in England which weren't like proper steaks, but.
00:58:09 Tim Jupp
Then and then you go to America and you think I've never had steak or or me like that 'cause. We'll learn we're.
00:58:16 Tim Jupp
In life. And so we started travelling a patch on going to CAMBIA and then when you go to Columbia there's not even a patch on going to Argentina.
00:58:26 Tim Jupp
If you want proper state, you go to Argentina, you have nice and amazing meat that you've eaten in your life, so we'll go to find out and years later when we started travelling more. But we're going to this amazing state place.
00:58:39 Tim Jupp
And it ended up with 19 people going for dinner. And after we'd done the church meeting, they came out to us and they were very kindly. So we'd to give you.
00:58:48 Tim Jupp
The corner.
00:58:49 Tim Jupp
The way home, a gift for playing our church and then gave us a check for $500.00 for playing at the church and you know of travelling with boys. Here you go. Never mind how much all your flights have cost is $500.
00:59:02 Tim Jupp
And so if they gave us the check, and to this day, I still don't quite know how, at the end of that meal, which they took us out for, the check came around. The bill came round and it ended up with me. And we ended up paying for it when it's $496.
00:59:20 Tim Jupp
So we went away with $4.00 at the end of that end of that.
00:59:25 Tim Jupp
The news about no money, nothing. Everything in the whole trip was just going wrong all the time. Wherever you went anyway, as we get to the next morning, we're about to fly home and all this time.
00:59:39 Tim Jupp
We'd had this box of 500 cassettes with us and we'd sold maybe 10 or 20 of them at the conference with those 25 people we'd been carrying around this cassettes with us.
00:59:51 Tim Jupp
And I said to the guys who are taking us back to the airport, look, we really don't want to ship these back. It'll cost us more to take them back in excess luggage than they're even worth or whatever. Is there any way we can get rid of these cassettes anyway?
01:00:08 Tim Jupp
And he said, well, let's go and see the manager of the bookshop. And they had this huge Christian bookstore in the car park of the Anaheim Vineyard. It was called the Old Shepherd Shoppee, and it was this Christian book book, Christian bookstore, bookstore. And on the way to the airport, we went to the, went to the bookstore.
01:00:23 Tim Jupp
And met the manager of the bookstore and I am saying, look, look look.
01:00:29 Tim Jupp
Replays here last night when they worship here, we've got all these cassettes. Is there any way we can just leave these with you? And he's like, well, what do you want for them? I said, well, if you can pay us.
01:00:39 Tim Jupp
$0.50 for.
01:00:40 Tim Jupp
Cassette. That would be amazing, because that's probably what it cost us to manufacture them.
01:00:46 Tim Jupp
You know, and that would cover that cost and then you can have them all. And he said, OK, I'll buy the whole lot of you. And he took all those cassettes.
01:00:53 Tim Jupp
We left the building, went back to LAX, jumped on a plane, went home and that was our first ever trip to America.
01:01:01 Tim Jupp
Three weeks later, we'll get a call on that phone number that we put on the cassettes. The one for the studio.
01:01:08 Tim Jupp
Or the cutting edge when I come the cutting edge one by then we get a call and it's the. It's the manager of the bookstore in Anaheim. He's phoning up and he says.
01:01:18 Tim Jupp
In all those cassettes you left with a.
01:01:21 Tim Jupp
He, he says. Well, what happened is, is that one of the pastors took one of your sons. Did you feel the mountains tremble? And for the last six weeks, he's preached of the lyrics of that song every single week and put the lyrics out.
01:01:36 Tim Jupp
He said we sold all 500 cassettes, he said. Can I order another 3000?
01:01:41 Tim Jupp
We took and we and we just couldn't believe it.
01:01:45 Tim Jupp
After everything.
01:01:46 Tim Jupp
Gone wrong on the trip, long after we got home, he said. Can I order 3000 cassettes? And we had to get them made and we got them shipped out to America. These 3000 cassettes and because.
01:01:57 Tim Jupp
Led worlds.
01:01:57 Tim Jupp
Ownership at Anaheim, which was like the mother ship of the movement because they started singing the songs in that church. Therefore every other vineyard song right from Vancouver, all down the West Coast, and then eventually across America.
01:02:13 Tim Jupp
In that in those vineyard churches started singing the songs and that's how the songs first got out in America.
01:02:19 Tim Jupp
Which is really amazing for us. So God kind of always just had a plan.
01:02:25 Tim Jupp
In what was going on and.
01:02:29 Tim Jupp
They're quite extraordinary, so that to this day that that happened, the guy from integrity that had turned up to see us at the conference of 20 people, he got a bit excited.
01:02:39 Tim Jupp
Too, they were trying to make us sign a record deal for them in America and we negotiate something over several months and in the end we got to the point of signing and like the Managing Director, wherever it was. So the record label in America.
01:02:57 Tim Jupp
However, to to get signed the contract with us and by that time it's like, oh, we've never done contracts before. We don't know how to do that. So we had to find a music wire in London and spy scales were big at the time in London. So we're like whoever they use, you must be good. So we found the same guy. So we had the Spice Girls.
01:03:19 Tim Jupp
And he represented us, and I remember the guys from America flying over. We met in his office or just to do the final signing. And then we're going to take us out for dinner, the whole thing.
01:03:31 Tim Jupp
To sign a deal for.
01:03:34 Tim Jupp
And right at the last minute they had a final question where I wanted to.
01:03:38 Tim Jupp
Something on the contract?
01:03:40 Tim Jupp
And our lawyer said there's no way you should give them that or sign that. Absolutely not. And then it became a deal breaker, and that deal fell apart and they'd they'd come all that away. And we turned down what was being for.
01:03:54 Tim Jupp
This would have been a lot of money at the time and we turn that down and just walked away because we wanted to retain, I guess, our integrity about how we did things we wanted to retain control and we always kind of decided we should hang on and own everything.
01:04:12 Tim Jupp
So these were what's called in the record business, a licence deal where we own things and licence it to other labels, but we still were in control of stuff and people if they wanted too much control of us, we would always walk away from that stuff. So that door fell over.
01:04:28 Tim Jupp
Then we.
01:04:28 Tim Jupp
Another label come over and visit us from America.
01:04:32 Tim Jupp
They there isn't a big event. That guy called Norwich has did back in Wembley and I think that must have been around probably about 98 or something like that and there was at the time when we just put a single out called deeper in it with going in the charts.
01:04:49 Tim Jupp
And there's a bit of excitement around what delirious was doing in the UK, so it helped a lot of people kind of get to that event. And we had this other.
01:04:59 Tim Jupp
American label come over.
01:05:01 Tim Jupp
Assumes the biggest Christian. It's called. See. They call it CCM. Contemporary Christian music from Nashville.
01:05:08 Tim Jupp
And this was a big, big deal that they flew over and saw us and met up with us and came to a couple of gigs.
01:05:17 Tim Jupp
Then then they wanted us to go and see them in America and Cos in America, we kept them to the hold of the records everywhere else in the in the world. But in America, it's just so huge. You need to work with someone. You need to find a part that you need help and distribution and.
01:05:34 Tim Jupp
How to get it into 10s of thousands of Christian bookstores and all?
01:05:37 Tim Jupp
That so we needed to partner with somebody in America.
01:05:42 Tim Jupp
And then we had that experience of going to America and we're in the office.
01:05:50 Tim Jupp
Of the of of the record company, and you've got the President of the record company and the Vice President and everyone's a president in America. Aren't they over there? And I remember being in the room with him.
01:06:04 Tim Jupp
And and and we and and and we, you know have done this cutting edge records and we've just started to make a new record which ended up getting called King of Falls and it was kind of a bit of a hybrid of church songs and kind of more rock songs and that sort of thing.
01:06:20 Tim Jupp
And the label said to us, well, this is the record that we want to sign and we want to start our campaign with you guys in America with this record.
01:06:30 Tim Jupp
And we said to them, but what about our old records? What about the ones we've done with the worship songs on what about all of that? And they're and they were like, no, we don't do that. We don't do worship music. You know, we do contemporary Christian music.
01:06:48 Tim Jupp
We're not interested in worship. No one's interested in that. We don't do that. And so we said, oh, great. And there was this massive effort on the table designed to them.
01:07:00 Tim Jupp
And then again when I I know, but we feel like God's given us these songs for the earth. So part of the Earth includes America. Surely. Surely this is sons have got a place in America and.
01:07:14 Tim Jupp
So we kind of have a little huddle in the corner of this huge, huge office building. We said give us 5 minutes, we're going to go and talk in the corner. So us guys went over and talked in the corner.
01:07:25 Tim Jupp
And.
01:07:28 Tim Jupp
And we decided to walk away from that deal too, because we felt like, no, we need to work with a partner who would put their sons out. So we went back in the room and we said, guys, we fear that God's given us these songs, and if you're not the person to help us.
01:07:44 Tim Jupp
Get these songs out in America. Then we need to find somebody else to partner with. Thanks for the kind offer, but no thanks. Sort of thing. The only one we're not had their holy huddle and in their corner of the. And then they came back and they said look.
01:07:58 Tim Jupp
This is a compromise.
01:08:00 Tim Jupp
We'll just take six of the what we think are the best songs, the worship songs from those cutting edge records we're going to put them on a sample CD, just six of them. We're going to work through a youth agency.
01:08:15 Tim Jupp
In America, and we're going to send out 10,000 of these free samplers.
01:08:22 Tim Jupp
CDs to youth leaders.
01:08:25 Tim Jupp
Across America.
01:08:28 Tim Jupp
And then we don't want to hear another word from you, don't you don't ever mention it again, but we've given.
01:08:32 Tim Jupp
Put an opportunity, feel songs to get out.
01:08:35 Tim Jupp
And so we actually stuck to a world and they did that and we signed the deal with them. We went off to make the new record. They sent the sampler out. And then the sampler did so well that they were released. The the whole compilation, the whole set of cutting edge.
01:08:51 Tim Jupp
And to this day, the biggest record that we ever saw in America was those was those worship songs. So always sold more than every other record we did after.
01:09:00 Tim Jupp
Bits and that really I think in America is where even Americans will say that changed. That moment changed the face of what was going on in Christian music in America because the biggest contemporary label.
01:09:17 Tim Jupp
For the first time ever, put out a worship record and they've never done it before.
01:09:21 Tim Jupp
And and and now if you went and sat.
01:09:24 Tim Jupp
The room.
01:09:26 Tim Jupp
Or they're seeing people.
01:09:27 Tim Jupp
They won't even talk to you unless you're making a worship record. It's it's so different, and that's all they want to do now. Now they're putting out Chris Tomlin and Gary Jom and all these artists. That's who they want to sign, and really, all that whole thing in America.
01:09:43 Tim Jupp
Changed it almost in that moment because delirious put their foot down and said no unless you put out our worship songs, we're not going to work with. And so that really changed a lot of stuff for us and.
01:09:58 Tim Jupp
You know, we just kept on then travelling around America.
01:10:04 Tim Jupp
And everywhere else in the world for the next kind of.
01:10:09 Tim Jupp
15 years after that, making records and singing songs and holding worship events.
01:10:17 Tim Jupp
I think I think the.
01:10:19 Tim Jupp
For us, were always.
01:10:22 Tim Jupp
The things that fell on point with your vision and your vision was always like that. I kind of think we believe, I think what Kevin Prost talk us back in the really early days before we started was is that you can really believe that David and sorting that when the music plays.
01:10:40 Tim Jupp
The music can be enough and the music can really bring the presence of Jesus and you'll see people healed and set free and the demons go. And I think every time that's what we live for.
01:10:52 Tim Jupp
And I think.
01:10:53 Tim Jupp
I think our situation in delirious was.
01:10:58 Tim Jupp
Bizarre. And we saw and we saw, you know, we played in really bad nightclubs in Hollywood.
01:11:08 Tim Jupp
The most high Pentecostal mass meetings in South America, or.
01:11:14 Tim Jupp
I mean, we I remember we did.
01:11:15 Tim Jupp
Gig with the Pope once and.
01:11:20 Tim Jupp
It was quite a famous gig because there was one and a half million people, that's.
01:11:24 Tim Jupp
And you get booked to play and I I we didn't quite tweak till we turned up at the gig that the reasoning you you get booked to play is when you have one and a half million people in an air filled with the Pope they could only get 100,000.
01:11:40 Tim Jupp
Off the site every hour so these one and a half million Catholics took mass with the Pope. And then you're basically booked to play to the crowd. Well, they start dispersing. So that first hour that you play.
01:11:55 Tim Jupp
The.
01:11:55 Tim Jupp
I hope we can honestly say that we did a gig once and 100,000 people walked out of it somewhere at the back of the field that we never saw in the distance they left and that was kind of a weird and wonderful experience.
01:12:10 Tim Jupp
But I think so we did so many different things. You know, we've played in a lot of stadiums, either Christian events.
01:12:19 Tim Jupp
You know to do in the the Bon Jovi Stadium tour in the UK?
01:12:25 Tim Jupp
To little nightclubs all over the world. And but the prayer was always the same.
01:12:32 Tim Jupp
Of in a highly spirit, bring your presence. Jesus. Come and change people's lives. That never changed, because at the end of the day, I think you know the lever is always playing to people, aren't you?
01:12:46 Tim Jupp
You know, and God, God's got a heart for whatever the situation. So doesn't change, does it? Is that you hope God will come and touch people's lives? And I think we really believed it in music.
01:13:01 Tim Jupp
That he could do that.
01:13:02 Tim Jupp
So highlights, I mean there's so many different things I can remember. Oh my goodness. Like you did that. Remember, we did events with Joyce Moore in India with a million people and they're crazy. Where?
01:13:18 Tim Jupp
You turn up and.
01:13:21 Tim Jupp
You know, 200 guys have spent three weeks building a stage out of bamboo and string and and putting it together and there's a million people turn up and in the film and all the electricity is 2 bare wires plugged into something hanging off a tree.
01:13:35 Tim Jupp
You know, it's playing some really great shows.
01:13:42 Tim Jupp
I think it was interesting for us as a band.
01:13:45 Tim Jupp
I think the common vision was is that the presence of God become a touch people's lives. I think some people in the band felt that would be more being successful.
01:13:57 Tim Jupp
Mainstream, probably more than others.
01:13:58 Tim Jupp
I think that was interesting. Every time we had to go at trying to be a little bit too rock'n'roll pop star, she's probably wise of things never quite worked out. And we can remember the whole Bon Jovi thing was a funny thing because we got asked.
01:14:16 Tim Jupp
To open up for Bon Jovi, and it was 5 UK stadium shows and so we agreed and the whole deal was done and everything and that was.
01:14:25 Tim Jupp
All done. And once it was signed off, then all of a sudden they changed the date of one of the shows and they call it was Milton Keynes Bowl, which they called the London Show for some reason, even though it's in Milton Keynes. And then they changed the date of that show and they changed the date to be on the same day as Martin's.
01:14:43 Tim Jupp
'S wedding.
01:14:45 Tim Jupp
And we're. Oh, no, what we're doing now, I was like, oh, I've got to play with my sister's wedding. I've always promised.
01:14:50 Tim Jupp
Be at.
01:14:50 Tim Jupp
Wedding. But if we cancel the show, we'll lose the we'll lose the whole one. We'll never get to never get to play it with Bon Jovi. We lose all five dates.
01:15:00 Tim Jupp
The whole thing. And so we looked at the whole schedule.
01:15:03 Tim Jupp
And.
01:15:06 Tim Jupp
We thought we'd reply at the wedding, which is like at lunchtime. We could get to the show in a helicopter and we could do our hours set and then we could get back for the end of the reception afterwards in the helicopter.
01:15:21 Tim Jupp
So we thought, right? That's what we're going to do. It's very, very rock'n'roll. So we're having helicopter books which arrive down here near where we lived in the field.
01:15:32 Tim Jupp
And we did the wedding. We jumped in this helicopter and then it turned out to be really bad weather that day because it was bad weather. The helicopter had to take a diversion on its route. And because it was going further round, we got 10 miles out from Milton Keynes.
01:15:48 Tim Jupp
And it ran out of fuel. So the helicopter had to put down in the small private airfield and refuel.
01:15:54 Tim Jupp
Anyway, so it puts down the airfield. You're not allowed to be near it while it refuels we had to run off and go and hide in the toilets across the airfield. And we're looking at looking at this helicopter across the field and then the pilot phones out.
01:16:09 Tim Jupp
You know the fuel thing goes out, sticks the petrol in it, whatever, and he says.
01:16:15
You got a.
01:16:15 Tim Jupp
Problem that's since we've got a problem it says can't restart the helicopter, it won't restart and rear. You're having a laugh on you. Well, he's like. No, no, I've never seen a guy sweat so much in my life as he.
01:16:29 Tim Jupp
Pilot from the helicopter comes up by this point. It's about 40 minutes from Showtime, and there's 100,000 people blocking up every Rd. If anyone knows what Milton Keynes is like, it's all these roundabouts and roads coming in from every direction.
01:16:45 Tim Jupp
And they're all these cars coming in trying to see Bon Jovi.
01:16:48 Tim Jupp
Movie you can't get through the traffic and then?
01:16:54 Tim Jupp
We had a guy from.
01:16:58 Tim Jupp
Tony, who's, like managing us at the time, he said. Well, we're going to come in by helicopter to this show. We're going to meet with this for all it's worth. It's the most rock'n'roll thing we've ever done to Leo survive and helicopter ready to open up for Bon Jovi, so.
01:17:14 Tim Jupp
He had got all the press there and told the press you need to be at the helipad for when.
01:17:17
And.
01:17:18 Tim Jupp
You know, just get shots on arriving in the helicopter when they arrive anyway. So where this little airport down the road? And I had to get on the phone and phone up the tour manager says you won't believe what's happened to it. We're broken down. We can't get in. We don't know what to do. And he's like, oh, you're having a laugh, aren't you? And I'm like, no.
01:17:39 Tim Jupp
The helicopters broken down. He doesn't know what to do. He got fix it. He won't start again.
01:17:45 Tim Jupp
So the tour manager, who was at the venue in Kings Bowl, gets the police. And so I've got a problem, lad. Any way you can help us out? Our band, which is in during the stage, like in half an hour by that point.
01:18:00 Tim Jupp
I'll stuck 10 miles away and they can't get into the site. They've got no transport.
01:18:05 Tim Jupp
I'm coming in helicopter.
01:18:06 Tim Jupp
Answer anything you can do in the place like. Yeah, we're on it. We're gonna help. So we sent out this old this meat waggon, please fan and full motorcycle out riders. And they've got to come 10 miles from the site to us. So those shoes against the traffic in the wrong way.
01:18:25 Tim Jupp
In in the meantime, we get the message that the police are going to come and pick us up, so we're in the toilets at the airfield putting all our gear on for stage and changing.
01:18:34 Tim Jupp
And so we're all ways to go. Then about 15 minutes from Showtime, the police turn out, we get chucked in the back of this van in this cage, in the back of the van. And it's stunk of sick and everything else you can imagine. And we have been out the night before. Goodness knows where it is the most disgusting.
01:18:54 Tim Jupp
Smelling awful thing I've ever been in my life.
01:18:56 Tim Jupp
Life I get travel sick at the best of time and then we're thrown in the back of this waggon like we're locked up like we've been arrested and there's 4 motorbikes out riders going down every dual carriageway, Milton Keynes holding up all the traffic.
01:19:12 Tim Jupp
Signs going on for everywhere and they're blocking all the traffic and there's fans going through.
01:19:18 Tim Jupp
The back of it and we arrived and back on site 5 minutes after our Showtime and our crews all want there's a ramp at the back of the stage. So we missed the helicopter thing. All the press thing never happened. We look stupid. We look stupid because we're arriving at a police van.
01:19:35 Tim Jupp
And we arrive right at the back of the stage and run up the ramp and our crew at there handing our air monitors off to us. We're running. We'll missed one song. So we lost one one song and then did the set. And that was our most rock'n'roll moment. That went so horribly wrong.
01:19:52 Tim Jupp
But fortunately the time would finish. The helicopter company had sent another helicopter out and.
01:20:00 Tim Jupp
Began helicopter. We got back in 40 minutes.
01:20:03 Tim Jupp
And circled the garden where the reception was put the helicopter down and got back for the reception. So what bad for that very long time was amazing. They wouldn't really miss the gig altogether, but I always felt like it when we tried to be a bit too rock'n'roll. I also like it never quite went to plan.
01:20:22 Tim Jupp
Almost like what you guys trying to think you're doing. Just get out there and lead people and learn shape. It's fine. That's what you should be doing kind of thing.
01:20:32 Tim Jupp
So yeah, so some of those things don't always go to plan, right, that.
01:20:38 Tim Jupp
So I left that and.
01:20:41 Tim Jupp
And then we're jumping forwards and.
01:20:46 Tim Jupp
You know the band carried on, but also records and.
01:20:52 Tim Jupp
About 2009.
01:20:55 Tim Jupp
Things came to an end in the band and people decide to go off and do their own thing. There's definitely pressure at that time to go and tour them all, because when we started off like commercially, we'll be funded because we would sell a lot of records.
01:21:11 Tim Jupp
And we'd sell a lot of records in America, and you had $2.00 to the pound.
01:21:16 Tim Jupp
And you would sell records by time. We'd, you know, jump forward 15 years or whatever.
01:21:23 Tim Jupp
The exchange rate had changed and you stopped selling records and everything by them was on digital and stuff, which you couldn't make any money out of. So the only way you could earn a living was to tour a lot. So there was a lot of pressure to be away from home. It was the one big conversation.
01:21:39 Tim Jupp
That never.
01:21:41 Tim Jupp
Really stopped.
01:21:43 Tim Jupp
As a band is like the tent holding intention.
01:21:46 Tim Jupp
Being married, having kids, having a family. Umm.
01:21:52 Tim Jupp
Yet you know to be in a band. You can't survive by playing shows every weekend in the small town that you live in. You have to get on the road and travel. So it was always difficult and you know, people have different thresholds with that and different amounts that they feel they can and can't do.
01:22:11 Tim Jupp
And it became quite a pressure in the end. So things came to an end.
01:22:15 Tim Jupp
In 2009.
01:22:19 Tim Jupp
What was really interesting for me was in all those years from 92 to 2917 years. You remember I said that we're talking about never having a Plan B. And I think for us, guys never had a Plan B or only ever had plan A. There's only ever one.
01:22:35 Tim Jupp
That you want to do.
01:22:37 Tim Jupp
So I've never considered anything about life beyond the band.
01:22:41 Tim Jupp
And I've had any conversations, even personally, with anyone, about doing anything different. I'm not sure that would have looked like, but in the very last year.
01:22:55 Tim Jupp
By which time we knew the band was going to end, I had a guy come to me who had a real vision for doing things.
01:23:04 Tim Jupp
But around Unity, putting the church together.
01:23:07 Tim Jupp
He'd been involved in the event in the Royal ********, which hadn't gone well and lost a tonne of money on it. And I was kind of managing the band, so he knew that and he was a bit fun of what we did. So we got together and had a chat.
01:23:23 Tim Jupp
And then also, I've met another old friend going back to if you go right back full circle to the beginning where we did the cutting edge things on the beach. A friend who'd been around at that time, we've met. We haven't seen each other for years. We met up at an old friends wedding somewhere.
01:23:38 Tim Jupp
And we'll just start telling these kind of stories about what God had done back in the day. And we talked about, oh, do you think we'll ever do anything like that again where we live? Or do you ever create a space where we invite all the church to come together for worship again?
01:23:54 Tim Jupp
So. And he said, oh, I know this family who own this estate. Why don't we go and talk to them?
01:24:02 Tim Jupp
And.
01:24:04 Tim Jupp
So yeah, but it's not. It's not the way of the band's really busy at the time. We're away a lot we can't do.
01:24:15 Tim Jupp
So basically, Wisconsin is, for me anyway, so.
01:24:21 Tim Jupp
He introduced me to the Goring fan here in the Western estate, which is where we started big Cherish day out and well, Big Church festival and.
01:24:32 Tim Jupp
He he's a guy I don't really.
01:24:34 Tim Jupp
To.
01:24:35 Tim Jupp
Him 'cause the band's busy. There's pregnant. These big events is really expensive.
01:24:42 Tim Jupp
And so it's a good name. So I want to meet them and I think they thought I was going to go and talk about doing some big event on their land. I'm going to meet them because my friend said you should go meet them.
01:24:57 Tim Jupp
And one of the first things that Harry Goring said to me when we met up in his state office on the estate was, he said, are they going to be tense at this thing? And so that's my bad version of doing a posh voice.
01:25:14 Tim Jupp
He was like the poshest guy I've ever met at the time and.
01:25:18 Tim Jupp
And also of course, you do think I want to come and do some big event. We're going to come and trash your land.
01:25:24 Tim Jupp
And I didn't really know how to. I don't seem I just threw the question straight back at him. I said, well, what would you think of something like that ever happened on your land? And he said, oh, I'd love that. And he explained to me how he had had prophetic words about seeing people gathering.
01:25:39 Tim Jupp
And seeing tents on the land, which is why I asked him the question about tents. Well, I had no.
01:25:43 Tim Jupp
About that. So that was.
01:25:48 Tim Jupp
A month before I knew the band was going to end. Two weeks after that, I'll make this business guy.
01:25:54 Tim Jupp
Apply for a completely different reason? He asked to meet me at his office in London. So I'd met the landowner. Then I go meet the business guy and the business guy says to me, I want to do something big in London that brings the whole church together.
01:26:10 Tim Jupp
I want to do something built around unity. Can you help me with that and I'm like.
01:26:17 Tim Jupp
I don't know that I think that has to come out of kind of relationship of knowing all the churches and working together. I'm probably not.
01:26:25 Tim Jupp
The right guy to make that happen and.
01:26:29 Tim Jupp
What, whatever and I said to him, interestingly enough, what would you feel about getting involved if that was in a more neutral space? I said, I've just met this family in Sussex who own all this land. They've got a vision for bringing the church together.
01:26:46 Tim Jupp
And anyway, he starts asking me all these questions. I mean, you're quite curious about what's going on, and he's asked me about the land and everything. And then he reveals to me at the end of conversation, he says, well, I know the fab.
01:26:58 Tim Jupp
Finally, is, since I've met them a couple of months before and I love their estate and I love what they're doing on the land, he says I'm in. Let's do something. And I'm like, oh, hang on a minute. I can't. This sounds like a bit of a God thing, but.
01:27:13 Tim Jupp
We've got a landowner, we got a business guy saying, you know, I'll cover the cost of it and then I'm the one who's going to have to deliver it all and do it all. And so I said, look, this is, this feels great.
01:27:27 Tim Jupp
But I.
01:27:27 Tim Jupp
Know what to do with this, because we're really busy with the band.
01:27:30 Tim Jupp
And there's exactly 2 weeks after that.
01:27:34 Tim Jupp
That we had this kind of.
01:27:38 Tim Jupp
Wilson, a horrendous moment. I can't even say it that way is when Martin announced half an hour before we're about to go on stage with 5000 people at some big church in America at the beginning of a trip that he kind of woke up in the night and felt his time. He was going to stop. And I think we all knew that when he would stop. That's probably the end of the band.
01:27:58 Tim Jupp
And he knew that too. So that was a bit of a bombshell for everyone, because that's not the kind of trajectory we were on with the band at the time.
01:28:08 Tim Jupp
So within one month, I mean a landowner, 2 weeks later, I meet the business guy and two weeks later, I'm told the band's going to stop and it's the only conversation I've ever had in 17 years about doing something different with my life and.
01:28:22 Tim Jupp
So getting over the shock of the band ending, I went back to both those people said well, you won't believe this, but those conversations that we had a couple of weeks ago, I said I've got it looks like my life's going to start to look pretty different in the next few months.
01:28:40 Tim Jupp
Are you up for it? Shall we do it? If God's in this, shall we do something and we organise the first well I organised normally working on planes when I would have sat on planes.
01:28:54 Tim Jupp
Watching movies or sleeping, I spent the next nine months working flat out, doing 2 jobs, running the band and playing in the band and organising this event with no team and.
01:29:10 Tim Jupp
Yeah. And then and Delirious played at the first one and that really helped. I have to say, because the urban myth was that by then, people knew we were finishing. I think people thought that was one of the last things we were going to do in the UK, so it helped grow the crowd in year 1.
01:29:27 Tim Jupp
And we did big church day out in May 2009. I'd only met the land owners in 2008, and the band actually ended in November 2009.
01:29:40 Tim Jupp
And that was the first big church day out. And I can remember that first event when we first started building it, one of the first things you do.
01:29:49 Tim Jupp
On big events that have Mark eases, you put the marquee up.
01:29:54 Tim Jupp
And we start a bear on the tents and I walked out on the lawn. It was one of those beautiful early summer evenings with the sun setting and that, you know, beautiful sunset and everything with Harry, who owned the lawn, the the land and looked out and the tents were going up. And you got to bear in mind his family lived there for 400 years.
01:30:14 Tim Jupp
You ever had sheep on the land before then? So I'd never seen anything on the. They'd never on any events or anything. And he saw tents go up for the first time ever. And he just.
01:30:23 Tim Jupp
He had definitely had a tear in his eye that day because it was like the fulfilment of his prophetic words.
01:30:30 Tim Jupp
And we reached out and just said to the churches and not really in the South of England. How do you fancy all going to church on a Sunday, packing a picnic and then we all get together for the rest of the day and do something amazing and worship together. And that was kind of the story.
01:30:46 Tim Jupp
That got to church and just we had 13 1/2 thousand people turn up the first year.
01:30:53 Tim Jupp
And.
01:30:56 Tim Jupp
I think we had a limit on 15,000 on the site, but when we got to 13 1/2 thousand like 10 days before.
01:31:02 Tim Jupp
I was watching the tickets. I was crying and going. I got so scared because we had no team. I didn't know how we've got to managed that number of people. I just shut the thing down and said it's sold out because I was like, Oh my goodness. So many people are turning up what we're going to do.
01:31:18 Tim Jupp
And as it was, we had terrible, terrible problems with traffic with this crazy police officer.
01:31:25 Tim Jupp
That honestly.
01:31:27 Tim Jupp
He was a really, really difficult guy and the first time I met him on the estate, he said to me, you need to understand you old man, he said. I have the power to make or break your event.
01:31:37 Tim Jupp
So you have to do everything that I say, otherwise I'm going to stand in your way. This won't never happen.
01:31:43 Tim Jupp
You know, you find out down the way that because really doesn't really have any control over what you're doing at all. But I didn't know any different at the time.
01:31:51 Tim Jupp
And.
01:31:53 Tim Jupp
Say, and he came up with this crazy traffic plan, which we didn't even agree with, but he sent cars miles down the road and round around about back again, and all the traffic was absolute mess and people think it was our fault. But we were just doing what we were told.
01:32:09 Tim Jupp
And it was one of the hottest days of the year and then half the food fans didn't turn up because they probably got a better offer somewhere else. No one knew about us. It was just a church event in the field. So we weren't a good option for most people. And we didn't have enough water. And I was descending anybody I could find out down to Tesco's to buy crates of water. So.
01:32:29 Tim Jupp
To get water for people to drink, but somehow the presence of God was there. Their people had a smile on the face. It was amazing weather. So actually the bravest thing I think Big Church has ever done is to do the second year, not the first year.
01:32:44 Tim Jupp
And during the second year, as I'm not sure we'll ever get away this again after the disaster of the first year of the traffic.
01:32:52 Tim Jupp
And I I bet there's people still out there today, 15 years on, say I'll, I'll never come to big church 'cause you have traffic problems because over there the first year, so that happened and then we did the second year and then it's just keep going.
01:33:07 Tim Jupp
Since then, big church and it's just been one miraculous story. Almost every year of God's provision because we lose so much money every year.
01:33:17 Tim Jupp
Because on those events different to like when you're touring the band when you're touring the band, if you sell enough tickets, you kind of cover the cost of the tour, right? Never. It's not a festival. It's not like that at all. You have to sell tickets and you have to sell. You have to get lots of sponsorship and you have to sell.
01:33:36 Tim Jupp
In the real world, loads of alcohol and food, because that's how they're funded. Well, our tickets are too cheap and our sponsors are Christian charities and we don't say any make any money from beer.
01:33:50 Tim Jupp
Anything like that. So it's really difficult. So we're missing news loads and loads of money every single year and it's only because of people's generosity and God's stepping in that, you know, I think it's a complete miracle that we're still going.
01:34:07 Jem
And how many years has it been gone?
01:34:07 Tim Jupp
Yes, so 15 years it's been going now -2 years for COVID. So that's another mirror. I mean to get through COVID for any event particularly.
01:34:18 Tim Jupp
You know in the mainstream world, 25% of UK festivals have now gone bust or packed up since COVID, and they're the ones that do sell beer and make money and have big ticket prices. And they've packed up sofa at an event like ours.
01:34:36 Tim Jupp
Three years after COVID to be gay is just incredible.
01:34:42 Tim Jupp
And even since then, you know, people have been generous, has been few little miracles along the way, but somehow it feels like God's.
01:34:50 Tim Jupp
Doesn't want it to stop yet.
01:34:53 Tim Jupp
And I think my vision is for that. I can see that.
01:34:56 Tim Jupp
You know, there's OK in the in, in the real world, you've got things like glass room, which is 200,000 people and it's just pretty out there in terms of numbers and size. But then the next tier down of festival events and all like 30 to 50 people.
01:35:12 Tim Jupp
And big churches like right on the edge of sitting in that space with that kind of tier of events and wouldn't be amazing.
01:35:19 Tim Jupp
If you know, we become known as one of the top ten in the country of festival events is as big as all the others.
01:35:28 Tim Jupp
That bar is full of just God.
01:35:30 Tim Jupp
And.
01:35:30 Tim Jupp
Safe to take your teenagers to the culture's different.
01:35:36 Tim Jupp
You know, we sing songs about Jesus and people want to bring their friends to it. So I think what's really exciting is that.
01:35:45 Tim Jupp
Big Church has probably got a life to it that can really sit in that space.
01:35:48 Tim Jupp
And hopefully become a place that's increasingly exciting for people to bring their friends who don't know Jesus yet and bring them along. Because I think the church does get a bit of a bad press, and rightly so. And a lot of the time.
01:36:03 Tim Jupp
It's almost earned it itself, but of course there's lots of stories about the church being in decline, but my experience of what I'm seeing is, particularly in this day, particularly in the post COVID thing, particularly like with.
01:36:19 Tim Jupp
More that Gen Z type crowd is a lot of growth and a lot of people turning to faith and I think things like big Church can really galvanised a whole generation and demonstrate to the world outside that there's lots of people.
01:36:35 Tim Jupp
More than you ever thought excited about being in the space where they're celebrating Jesus together.
01:36:41 Tim Jupp
So we just keep up saying that we just keep going a year at a time and feel like God's got our back somehow. But every year we talk about is this year we go past or not and then we don't know.
01:36:55
Till.
01:36:56 Tim Jupp
We get there.
01:36:56 Jem
Actually actually like.
01:36:58 Jem
Find peace in that though, because it's amazing. Like even back in delirious days, you you really did put it all on the line. Didn't even you sound like you've always just kept your trust in God and peace.
01:37:11 Tim Jupp
Yeah, I think it's always in the grey paradoxes in life, though, is that?
01:37:17 Tim Jupp
Kind of. God is the God of the universe. He is the beginning and the end, the alpha and the Omega. And you know he's got holds all of creation and everything in his hand. So he's.
01:37:30 Tim Jupp
It this is enormous thing of God and the mystery of that.
01:37:36 Tim Jupp
Yet, paradoxically, he chooses us to be his hands and feet on the earth.
01:37:41 Tim Jupp
And I think.
01:37:43 Tim Jupp
So you live in holding the tension of that kind of thing.
01:37:49 Tim Jupp
So on one hand, I feel is an amazing thing that.
01:37:54 Tim Jupp
God chooses us or has given me the job to do that. I do. But on the one hand, he doesn't need me either. 'cause he's got. So I hold it lightly too, and I think.
01:38:08 Tim Jupp
You know, God doesn't doesn't need us to fulfil his purposes, yet he chooses to use us to fulfil his purposes kind of thing. And one day Big Church will come to him and maybe something bigger and better and more impactful will come along.
01:38:24 Tim Jupp
And that would be fine too. So I hold it. I'm I'm OK with like, I don't need to have to do that to be timed up.
01:38:33 Tim Jupp
I who I am is my identities in him, not in. Why do is my day job if you're not in me. So I'm kind of fine with it. And but I do. I think the other thing is we can have a lot of fun with it then because of that. So we're enjoying what we do.
01:38:50 Tim Jupp
And and we and we see just keep going.
01:38:55 Ash
It was incredible story.
01:38:58 Ash
It's really interesting to hear it and I love it that that God kept you humble. And you know when you are going to arrive at a nice helicopter as a rock star, he put you in the back of a police van with.
01:39:08 Ash
The smell of thick.
01:39:10 Ash
It's just difficult. God, sometimes I feel like like and with that kind of thing.
01:39:17 Ash
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Really, really good.
01:39:18 Jem
Yeah, it's an amazing story.
01:39:21 Jem
Where did Delane delirious come from?
01:39:24 Tim Jupp
That was kind of the back of the delaying delay. This was in the back of the van thing back in the early days. I think what happened was.
01:39:34 Tim Jupp
We, with the kind of the story is, is that we started out and we were young and people wanted us to sign to like them as a record label and we wouldn't. So we started our own record label and we called it Furious.
01:39:50 Tim Jupp
Because it was very tongue in cheek it we we called it furious because everyone was mad with us, but we wouldn't sign with them. So we called our whole label furious and then we did a publishing thing and called it curious because it rhymes. So delirious actually came after that and.
01:40:05 Tim Jupp
He just was another name that rhymed with those in the back of the van one night.
01:40:10 Jem
Actually, a really good name there isn't I, right. It's like it reminds me of King David a bit. Or he was just a bit like crazy for God. And it's really cool. I remember being at that cutting edge event as a kid as well. I must have been really young on the beach.
01:40:26 Jem
I remember it like it.
01:40:27 Jem
Yesterday because I remember.
01:40:28 Jem
And there just being in Sunday school and it and then suddenly like.
01:40:31
Hmm.
01:40:33 Jem
Started to happen and it was quite impactful, but I was one of those 10,000 people that David took.
01:40:40 Jem
Picture.
01:40:41 Jem
Probably you know on the beach and.
01:40:42 Tim Jupp
Yeah.
01:40:43 Ash
Me too. I was just. Yeah, I was like.
01:40:43 Jem
It.
01:40:44 Jem
Very.
01:40:45 Tim Jupp
Know the back of your head anyway, yeah.
01:40:48 Jem
Yeah, that's so cool and.
01:40:49 Ash
I know I do remember one event on the beach. It was how many were there.
01:40:51 Jem
Yeah.
01:40:53 Tim Jupp
Then I think there were about four and the time we did the last one, I can't even remember how this happened, but Channel 4 was quite a thing back then and it was kind of.
01:41:04 Tim Jupp
Shooting programmes are all a bit left field in the early days Channel 4 and they heard about what was going on. They came down and made a special programme about it which they put out on New Year's Day and somewhere on YouTube there's random clips.
01:41:07 Ash
Yeah.
01:41:20 Tim Jupp
Of bad VHS tapes of that programme that Channel 4 made about all these kids meeting on the beach back then.
01:41:28 Ash
Crazy Christian. Yeah, I remember. Was it like the mayor there or something as well that the?
01:41:32 Ash
Opened it or something like.
01:41:34 Tim Jupp
I don't even remember. I know I had the mayor of the first big church.
01:41:39 Tim Jupp
We had the mayor of Worthing and we crowd surfed him and remember we won't, we won't we say when he arrived on site.
01:41:48 Tim Jupp
He's he came with his wife and we said to him, so would you feel happy about if we.
01:41:56 Tim Jupp
Crowd surfed you with the crowd and and he sort of looked and said.
01:42:02 Tim Jupp
What does that mean in surfing and his wife said to him. Dear, I think it's surfing something to do with the Internet. So he said yes, that's fine.
01:42:13 Tim Jupp
And then we lifted him up and carried around the crowd with his chains on. And yeah, it's a little pictures in the local newspaper of the mayor of Worthing with his chains and getting served in the crowd.
01:42:17 Ash
What are you doing?
01:42:25 Jem
I'm sorry to cut.
01:42:26 Ash
I vaguely remember that I was there as well at the first one. It didn't feel like chaos at all. I don't. Maybe I didn't car then or something, and I didn't notice the traffic, but we just. I didn't live nearby, but we we we loved it, you know.
01:42:34 Jem
You probably just walked from your house to be there.
01:42:41 Ash
As no one.
01:42:42 Tim Jupp
Knew yeah. No one had done that in our area at all. That's all. And I think people just loved it. It was felt very family. And I think what I love about big church this day is you.
01:42:53 Tim Jupp
You got no idea what church people are from, or even if they're from a church.
01:42:58 Tim Jupp
At all.
01:43:00 Tim Jupp
What? You know, there's different age groups, ethnicity, diversity of churchmanship and you've got no idea where anyone's from yet. They're all in the space together. The smile on their face. And I love that about it.
01:43:12 Jem
Brilliant. Yeah, it's amazing. It does feel really diverse. It's really cool.
01:43:12 Ash
It's.
01:43:15 Ash
To think that the police officer thought he could get in the way of God's plans when he said he's going.
01:43:20 Tim Jupp
To shut the whole thing down, he couldn't get in the way of God's plans because the following year, what was amazing is that.
01:43:28 Tim Jupp
Somehow we found out that the head guy of West Sussex Police.
01:43:32 Tim Jupp
I don't know what the rank is as it detectives. Some say I don't know, Chief Superintendent or something like that. Anyway, he was the top guy in the whole of the county.
01:43:45 Tim Jupp
He was he. He was a Christian, and so he'd invited him to the event. And in fact, he got on the stage with his uniform on.
01:43:54 Tim Jupp
This guy and was amazing and he we said to him, would you be happy if we prayed for you in your job, leading the police in our whole county and he got down on his knees and we prayed for him in front of the whole crowd.
01:44:08 Tim Jupp
So we made a real connection to him, but this other policeman was being a right pain in the neck and was being very problematic and.
01:44:18 Tim Jupp
So I actually gave the top guy call and before you know the other guy had lost his job.
01:44:24 Tim Jupp
Wow. OK. So God took him out, basically. I think he'd been a problem internally and they just needed a few more people to complain about him.
01:44:32 Tim Jupp
But it definitely was a problem.
01:44:33 Jem
Bless him, yeah.
01:44:34 Tim Jupp
Bless him. So it wasn't a good day for him. Good. Love him and.
01:44:39 Tim Jupp
But God kind of just took him out.
01:44:43 Jem
It's amazing, isn't it? Because you got, what is it? Level one in the I don't even know what level 1 in PL. Grade one in piano and like, where you've been. What you've.
01:44:47 Ash
Great one.
01:44:51 Jem
Like go God.
01:44:52 Ash
Opening for Bon Jovi.
01:44:53 Jem
Use who he wants to use someone. He's got grade one in piano, but actually a heart for Jesus and.
01:44:55 Ash
Yeah.
01:45:00 Ash
And trust and faith.
01:45:00 Jem
That's what I love about your story. And it's that's really inspiring.
01:45:03 Jem
And then keep up the piano lessons, kids, because you never know what.
01:45:07 Ash
Definitely.
01:45:09 Jem
'S going to do.
01:45:09 Tim Jupp
Yep, keep them.
01:45:10 Tim Jupp
Up. You know, you never know. Do you just go for your?
01:45:14 Tim Jupp
Thing I think.
01:45:15 Tim Jupp
Is an amazing thing, isn't it? Because if you knew what you knew now you think that the city to do that.
01:45:23 Tim Jupp
Because at the time when you were young, you're not thinking how am I going to? What if I got married? What if I've found me? How am I going to provide my my.
01:45:29 Tim Jupp
This thing I'm just going to go for whatever God's put on your heart, but the Sunn and Grey isn't about waking up every morning and doing what you feel that God's called you to do. But it doesn't mean those things are easy. And even now with big churches, you know, there's a lot of tough decisions to make.
01:45:47 Tim Jupp
You know, it's a it's a big thing that we're running with lots of team and a lot of time I find that decisions are overwhelming, that we have to make and stuff. But I think underneath it all is being in that place of.
01:46:02 Tim Jupp
Thinking now, this is what I need to do and what God's called me to do, and that's really ultimately your happy place, isn't it?
01:46:09 Jem
Yeah, you've got a dream big, haven't you? It's amazing. 'cause. I think a lot of people have given their lives at.
01:46:14 Tim Jupp
Big church, haven't they? I think so. Yeah, we hear lots of stories about people coming and not just young people, right. You know, sometimes the husbands coming with wives that.
01:46:25 Tim Jupp
Maybe you'll never go to church and that kind of thing, and I think.
01:46:31 Tim Jupp
You just have to trust God and I think I I learned that years ago with delirious because with delirious, you know, you are playing front of thousands of people every week and weekend in some corner of the earth and around the world. So you don't even know the half of what's going on in people's life.
01:46:47 Tim Jupp
And over the years, you hear stories and, you know, even today I'll hear stories. And often I've travelled around and met church leaders trying to tell me about big church and say, yeah, but I'm leading a church because I was 18 and came to a delirious gig and gave my life to Jesus. And I've been in the church ever since. And.
01:47:07 Tim Jupp
I went to Bible college. Now I'm running a Church of 1000 people and all because you guys came and sang in our.
01:47:12 Tim Jupp
When?
01:47:13 Tim Jupp
Was a kid, so even to this day you can hear those stories.
01:47:13 Jem
Yeah.
01:47:17 Tim Jupp
So I think he just the main thing is is doing the thing.
01:47:22 Tim Jupp
And then trusting God for the rest, because we won't. We won't hear the half of it. We'll we're too long after we've gone. And you just got to trust that's got it. And I think, you know, I also feel like people talk about being rare to come and doing radical things. I'm not quite sure that.
01:47:29 Jem
I know.
01:47:41 Tim Jupp
Want us to do radical things? I just think he asks us to be obedient and sometimes being obedient can look like it's radical when you're doing stuff and.
01:47:53 Tim Jupp
People I think sometimes, partly because of my nature and because we do live on the cusp of things like particularly financially with big church and other things people say to me, you're risk taker.
01:48:07 Tim Jupp
But I don't. I don't see it that way because I see that risk.
01:48:11 Tim Jupp
I don't see risks that way, I think.
01:48:18 Tim Jupp
You know, you know people have said that thing in the past. I may say that I've as often people say risk. Faith is faith is spelled Ris.
01:48:28 Tim Jupp
Is taking faith is taking risk, but I don't think faith is. I think faith is being sure uncertain of what God's called you to. That's what the Bible talks about. I think the risky thing in life is not doing what God's told you to do. That's the riskier thing.
01:48:43 Tim Jupp
So if you lead a life of risk, don't follow what Jesus is asking you to do. That's risky.
01:48:51 Jem
I totally agree.
01:48:51 Tim Jupp
And so, you know, you just need to know what God's asking you and listen to him and go for that. And that lead a life of faith in that. Yeah.
01:49:01 Jem
I said to ash recently when I started using studio, it was a bit of a risk if you wanna call it that. But I said I felt so.
01:49:09 Jem
Like I had to do what I felt like. God wanted me to do. It was it was too scary not to.
01:49:14 Jem
That.
01:49:15 Tim Jupp
Yeah, that's right.
01:49:16 Jem
That's how it felt. I was like, no, it's more scary not to to go against what I really feel like. He wants me to do. So that's, you know, I totally get that as well. Like, it's there is peace in that.
01:49:28 Ash
Yeah, definitely.
01:49:32 Ash
It's almost like you you're you're doing the same job you've always done because you're.
01:49:37 Ash
Telling people about Jesus through music like your job hasn't changed.
01:49:40 Tim Jupp
I don't feel that's changed.
01:49:43 Tim Jupp
I feel, you know, I think even in the band wore different roles and I was a bit more of the organiser behind the scenes of stuff and that's kind of what I'm doing now, just crying trying to help create spaces for people to gather and.
01:49:58 Tim Jupp
Still believing, even though big churches.
01:50:00 Tim Jupp
Of.
01:50:02 Tim Jupp
There's a lot of entertainment and a lot of fun, a lot of kids going on, but you're still hanging in there. You know, there's a there's an underpinning hidden agenda in it, if you like. Maybe it's not that hidden, but it's that you want the presence of God to come and really change people's lives, and that's no different to all. It was in the band.
01:50:21 Ash
Back in the day, definitely. Yeah, definitely.
01:50:24 Jem
It's fun in that, isn't that?
01:50:27 Ash
What's the craziest thing you've seen, like? Just sort of quick fire questions like around the world when you you've travelled around the world. You must have seen God do some incredible things.
01:50:37 Tim Jupp
We've seen some funny things I can remember back in the 90s when there was a lot of dance music going on, and I can remember going to one conference once.
01:50:48 Tim Jupp
And we've been booked to leave. We're shipping our kind of middle of the road soft rock kind of way back then and people at the beginning of the meeting getting up with acoustic guitars and smashing them on the floor to smooth the reeds and saying rock music is dead of dance music is the future for worship.
01:51:05 Tim Jupp
And he was just about to get up and read.
01:51:08 Tim Jupp
With a real guitar. So.
01:51:11 Tim Jupp
It was kind of a funny time to be in. All that that went on and.
01:51:19 Tim Jupp
Oh my gosh, I can't remember.
01:51:23 Tim Jupp
Yeah, I'd have to. There's there's a lot of stories. We went to a lot of places. I've got this passport, you know, where two passports, all of us, Cos you'd always have one passport. Isn't some office somewhere going getting a visa for the next trip? And then you're travelling on another one. So I've got these two passports.
01:51:42 Tim Jupp
Just stamped on every page of countries all over the world and I can't believe it's ever me that ever went to them, to be honest. But I must have done at some point. So there was a lot of.
01:51:53 Tim Jupp
Yeah, a lot of travelling.
01:51:56
Umm.
01:51:58 Ash
Right.
01:52:00 Jem
Would you be able to just pray us out? Anyone that's listened? I think your story's really inspiring and I think like there's going to be musicians that obviously have have that heart and just. Yeah, just pray for anyone who's listening that it will be.
01:52:16 Jem
Affected by your story?
01:52:17 Tim Jupp
Yeah.
01:52:18 Ash
I think.
01:52:18 Ash
Just including that as well, people who've given up their job for God, like you did. There's people doing that or about to do that, and it's probably quite a scary thing.
01:52:22
Yeah.
01:52:28 Tim Jupp
Yeah, it can be scary, can't it?
01:52:32 Tim Jupp
Yeah. OK, let's pray. God, we thank you. That isn't it? Amazing thing that you choose to use us to be your hands and feet. And for your purposes.
01:52:46 Tim Jupp
The first thing you say is thank you for that. We're grateful. We're grateful hearts that you would ever consider.
01:52:54 Tim Jupp
Us to do those things and we don't take that lightly, but we know we can't do it without you. Turn. So I pray God for all those listening and for myself that you help us stay close to you.
01:53:11 Tim Jupp
I pray God that we would increasingly, day by day, know what it is to hear your voice.
01:53:19 Tim Jupp
And to listen to you.
01:53:22 Tim Jupp
And to step out on the things that you'll ask us today.
01:53:26 Tim Jupp
The things are risky, but the things that are full of obedience and fullness.
01:53:34 Tim Jupp
And things that involve laying all lives down and for the sake of others.
01:53:41 Tim Jupp
And his new career example of that, the new Jesus laying your life down.
01:53:47 Ash
And.
01:53:48 Tim Jupp
This will help us to be like that to being like you, Jesus, to lay our lives down.
01:53:55 Tim Jupp
And give all we have so that others may come to know you.
01:53:58
None.
01:54:01 Tim Jupp
Through the small things and the bigger things that you call us today.
01:54:07 Tim Jupp
In Jesus name and then.
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