S4E11: Elevate, PGI and Las Fallas

This week, Donnie and David catch up on recent events and news. David recently returned from Elevate and shared some of his experiences. Meanwhile, Donnie returned from vacation and shared his travel guide to Las Fallas.

The guys also discuss the upcoming PGI Competition: Battle in the Sky!

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Transcript

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SPEAKER_05 2:16

Probably not re-record it because nobody wants to hear it anyways.

SPEAKER_06 2:25

It literally has been like an hour. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 2:29

I mean it's been six weeks since we saw each other.

SPEAKER_06 2:31

It's been six weeks.

SPEAKER_05 2:33

It's probably been close it's been actually been close to two months, I think, that time. Yeah. You went to Blaster Winter Blast.

SPEAKER_06 2:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:43

Right after that.

SPEAKER_06 2:44

That was it. Yeah, it was Valentine's Day, so literally it's been like seven weeks.

SPEAKER_05 2:50

Yeah. So it's been busy, a lot been going on.

SPEAKER_06 2:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:57

Still trying to catch up on sleep myself.

SPEAKER_05 3:00

Yeah, that was uh yeah, that was that was a struggle on vacation. That was yeah. We'd uh yeah, we'd we tried we tried tried to grab naps. Tried to grab naps. That naps was key to survival.

SPEAKER_06 3:10

Yeah, I can imagine.

SPEAKER_05 3:12

So uh yeah, I know. We'll we'll get into get into Los Fias and vacation in a little bit. Had some other news that's been out recently. PGI ProM.

SPEAKER_06 3:23

PGI Pro Am?

SPEAKER_05 3:24

Are they are they calling it ProM or they have a I don't remember the terminology.

SPEAKER_06 3:30

Let me see if I can find this thing. Uh I don't remember it.

SPEAKER_05 3:35

Uh interesting kind of uh kind of concept and and setup for it, I guess, that we weren't really expecting, I guess.

SPEAKER_06 3:44

I wasn't expecting that at all.

SPEAKER_05 3:46

I I mean yeah I mean I I don't know, I know our Discord there was an awful lot, awful lot of conversation about it.

SPEAKER_06 3:54

I I think it was in our Discord and it started to go off in KCap Discord a little bit, huh?

SPEAKER_05 3:59

It did it did too, yeah. I mean definitely.

SPEAKER_06 4:02

They were a lot more a little bit more cordial in the KCAP.

SPEAKER_05 4:07

Considering we do have PGI people in the in the Pyro Leashed one. I mean it it is kind of cool though. I mean you we do get some feedback in there from from JJ from time to time and yeah, it is yeah, he helps provide some context and he does a little a little bit in the kind of research and stuff, but uh yeah. Yeah, the uh the the the setup and the rules is is interesting of it being not like Sky Wars, but more like a pyro jam, essentially, in a way.

SPEAKER_06 4:34

Yeah. So we're looking at I had the rules, or I think the rules, so uh maximum of five minutes, you get four thousand dollars. Um every second should have purpose from your opening moment to your final break. Um, it's from the official ace pyro catalog, which rumor has it it wasn't very much of a catalog. Not really sure. I don't know I'll be honest, I haven't pulled it up. I didn't look at either. Yeah. Very busy, but yeah, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:09

From what we heard in the in the Discords, yeah, the catalog was more of just a dump of yeah, of skews, and it wasn't really curated.

SPEAKER_06 5:18

Uh slow pacing visual flow, create use of product within budget, highs, lows, emotional impact. Some would say emotional impact isn't a thing. LE. A memorable start and powerful finish, uh, clean sequencing and precise execution. Uh three designers are selected to shoot live. Lead shooters are chosen, uh, chooses your own field layout with creative control. Um fireworks and equipment are provided. Product chosen from a curated ace pyro catalog. Um design in finale 3D, perform live at PGI 26. Uh, you own the setup of the show with your crew. Uh, you focus on design, we handle the firepower. We'll go with that.

SPEAKER_05 6:10

Let's go with that. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely, yeah, I think I mean, I think people were expecting it more to be like your individual shows, more like, you know, like pick your own firing system. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You do everything yourself, right? Like you curate your own product pretty essentially, or you or you have a list of vendors that you can choose from. I it's not usually just one sole person you have to buy fireworks from. It's not, you know, so it is a little bit uh little bit more Pyro Jam S versus more Elevate or Skywars Lone Star type of show, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:41

Yeah, I mean, I guess my question is okay, again, I I will tell you, I have not looked at the catalog, right? So uh have you seen any rumor of one three in the catalog? Because okay, say you have Joe Blow. This is his first time. I I tell you, I have seen it happen at PyroJam, where within the first couple of years, somebody is designing this huge show, which kudos to them. But okay, so we're gonna put somebody who's never touched one three, and you're gonna have to load all your own one three. Like is it a one-three show that it's probably I I don't know. That's what I'm I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_05 7:16

It didn't say the rules, I guess.

SPEAKER_06 7:18

It has not, right? Okay, yeah. So let's see, let's see what else it says. Uh April 1st, the challenge opens. Okay, so April 16th is a submission deadline. Okay. Um, somewhere between April 16th and May 14th is the selection period. May 15th. Supposedly they're announcing the three finalists, and August 12th, which is a Wednesday at PGI in Burr um Kakona, Wisconsin, uh, will be the finalist Battle in the Sky Live. So um, first time designers ready to step into your national stage are entitled, or uh, I'm sorry, or who they are asking to enter. Hobbyists, experienced shooters, anyone with a passion of fireworks, uh, if you can design five unforgettable minutes, they want to see it. Uh, and I think I think uh, yeah, so there's nothing here on whether or not it's one three. So I and I could be a hundred percent wrong. I just know that was kind of one of the rumored questions is okay, well, if you're going to make me set up my show and I've never touched one three, like yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, always kind of assumed, right, as a program type of type of show, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 8:32

I mean, they're not really calling, they don't really have it even listed as that really, but um, I would assume yeah, a lot of shows are like oh just one four only, but um yeah, it's it's kind of interesting, right? And if the catalog isn't really curated with proper effects and you script your show, how are the judges going to watch the sim and see an accurate of I mean you have to go in and create all your own sims essentially? Like I don't think they allow you to, from my understanding.

SPEAKER_06 8:58

You can't use their catalog.

SPEAKER_05 9:00

Right. If you're using their catalog, I mean you can still modify sims even if you use another catalog.

SPEAKER_06 9:04

I mean, oh for sure, in theory.

SPEAKER_05 9:06

Yeah, but um for like a beginner person, they may not, you know, somebody's never used finale 3D, right? They're not gonna know how to do that. So if they're just dropping in a bunch of products, thinking what it might look like or to look like, and now you have to choose who your shooter is off of a catalog that may not look like the actual product because it wasn't really just dumped in there, like right. I don't know. I'm I'm kind of interested how how this is going to play out. Like yeah.

SPEAKER_06 9:35

Well, okay, so let's get into the next talking point, which is the point system, right? How are they gonna choose a winner? So this has been extremely controversial, and uh yeah, let's get into this. So, okay, so 10 points for setup. Uh did it get set up on time in an organized manner? Makes sense. Forty points for display pres presentation artistry. Did the display match the music? Was the music well selected? Were the firework scenes impressive and not repeating too many times? Okay. To me, that should be in the selection process of the three teams. Yeah, right, yeah. Right? So I think that those 40 points really should be more on execution, yeah. Personally, uh 25 points, display presentation, technical, uh, were angles set correctly, produce or products loaded correctly, there are large numbers, were there a large number of missing shots?

SPEAKER_05 10:38

So that that becomes a question, right?

SPEAKER_06 10:41

For me, those numbers should be flipped.

SPEAKER_05 10:43

Yeah, or or even two, right? Large number of missing shots. What if there's a firing system issue, right? You weren't responsible for the firing system, but you might get penalized if there was a failure of the firing system that you're not familiar with or you don't know anything about, right? So I think that's something I think if we're carrying that against them.

SPEAKER_06 11:01

I think that's a little bit unfair in that case because I mean So are they firing the show, or are you required to learn that system and now set it up and use it?

SPEAKER_05 11:09

Right? Yeah, like yeah, like it's yeah, like Ace is providing Starfire as a firing system, which is is fine, but is it like one script? Is it three individual scripts? Like, how's the show being fired if you know if their module doesn't work or their trunk line goes out?

SPEAKER_06 11:26

Are you you're or their wireless system that doesn't have uh it doesn't show a battery percentage? You don't know if it's charged or not, and a field module.

SPEAKER_05 11:36

I I mean I I think that I think there's a lot there to penalize somebody on that might be out of their control.

SPEAKER_06 11:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:45

But yeah. I mean, I get it. I mean, I mean I mean angles set correctly, products loaded correctly, I get that, right? That's yeah, your setup crew, right? Did your setup crew set your angles right, load your property right? Yeah, I mean, uh, it didn't stuff like that, but um yeah, and and then we have 25 points at the end there.

SPEAKER_06 12:00

Very intriguing, right? So I I will preface this and say this to me actually, besides setup, makes the most sense. And I only say that because as a lead previously, I know what it's like to have to clean up. I know talking to PGI board members, I know what they have to go through for cleanup. So I want to say I understand this to the fullest of extent. Uh, and and that is, did all your equipment get removed from the field and put back onto the truck the day after the display? Um so okay. Is that even cleaning the actual field, or is that hey, we just want you to make sure your equipment was put back on the truck.

SPEAKER_05 12:46

I remember it's not it's not your equipment. Right, right. It's not even your equipment. So this is this is 25 points for helping Ace Pyro load their equipment back on the truck.

SPEAKER_06 12:56

Load their equipment back up.

SPEAKER_05 12:57

Yeah, you're not loading your equipment, you're loading someone else's equipment back on back onto the truck for 25 points. Yeah, and I mean, it doesn't really encourage team members to come help you, right? Like, yeah, right, right. Right? It's it's your responsibility. Right, it's your responsibility. It's not your team, right? Like your team could just like like, yeah, we're not coming back and clean it up. You're on your own, right?

SPEAKER_06 13:18

We're we're bouncing, we're we're gonna go have fun now.

SPEAKER_05 13:20

And it's just usually shoot out there and load up all of the equipment. But um, yeah, it's it's interesting. Yeah, I mean, I see how this is one of those they want to make sure, right? Ace Pyro has help to load stuff afterwards, right? Because you could say, not my equipment, I'm not coming back to help load it. You guys figure it out, right? I shot the show. I and you would just walk away at that point, right? Because it wasn't your equipment. Okay, so so I I get adding points for that, but twenty-five. I mean, that's that's a big point total out of this. That's a corner of twenty five. Yeah, 25% of your show is just helping clean up, which I'm I'm not sure is the proper way to necessarily judge a show just for picking up equipment.

SPEAKER_06 14:00

Okay, so let's play devil's advocate here. So say something, I have the best show, firing system decides to mess up, and at the end of it, I go, eh, it's already 25 points. Screw it, I ain't cleaning up your show or your your your gear. Like what what what more are you gonna penalize me for? Right?

SPEAKER_05 14:22

And like do you are they gonna announce the nerves that night? Are they gonna I guess they're obviously not gonna not go to the doing on Friday? Yeah, I mean if you shoot your show and a truck line goes dead and half your show doesn't go off, why I mean that point that point you know you know you lost your show probably, right? Because you lost your four you lost your 25 points. So why why yeah? So at that point, why come back and and clean up at that point, right?

SPEAKER_06 14:41

So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:43

I don't know. I don't know, I don't know. I uh I it'll be interesting to see how it works this year.

SPEAKER_06 14:47

I would expect I expect changes next year, but I expect a lot of change next year, and again, to those of you that have started this, uh this is not bashing the idea. The idea is set really good. I think we're just we've seen a lot of question on it.

SPEAKER_05 15:06

Uh and I mean I I I get that it's geared to I get they want to gear it towards new people, right? Like that's why you don't need a firing system, you don't need equipment. Like we just want to be able to just have anybody able to do a show. Like, I I totally get that PGI really is wanting to pull in new people to do shows. And if you require people to have firing systems and equipment, then you're seeing the same shooters at all these events, right? Like light as events, you see the same shooters event after event after event because they have the equipment, they have the everything to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_06 15:38

They have the know-how and the means to do that.

SPEAKER_05 15:40

Yeah, so I I get the desire to have new people involved, and the only way to get new people involved is you have to sell like this where you provide equipment, but um I question just just the whole logistics of some of this stuff, and is this the right way to go about enticing new people to do it?

SPEAKER_06 15:57

Like this is new. So I clicked at the bottom. Not only are do you have to do all that, but you're now also required to pay a $50 registration fee. I see that.

SPEAKER_07 16:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:14

So just like just like PyroJam then. Yeah. But 100% of the fees going directly to the winner pool.

SPEAKER_06 16:20

So Okay, so that makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 16:21

So so yeah, they're doing the they're doing the exact same thing with Pyro Jam, did you pay the $50 fee, 100% goes to the winners?

SPEAKER_06 16:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:28

Um just and I think that just helps recover. Yeah, and I think that just helps give you the little bit of time because you I mean obviously you get access to finale there for for a period of time as well.

SPEAKER_06 16:37

Correct. Yeah. And if you don't have a finale 3D account, um, they do allow you to create one. Um that's in interesting. So if you already have a finale 3D account, skip this step and go into registration. So what am I skipping? Creating the account or skipping paying the $50 registration.

SPEAKER_05 17:01

I think I think you're I think you're skipping creating the account, I think, at that point. Yeah, you go into register. So yeah, I mean, by the time you guys hear this episode, all right, registration is closed at this point. So um it all your all your shows.

SPEAKER_06 17:16

I'm intrigued to see who actually does it. I mean, yeah, I I've really kudos to those that have are are doing it. I I'm excited to see them. Yeah. Um nonetheless, I think Wednesday night is gonna be a really good night. Um not only do you have these competitions, but you have you know, large and unlimited and um classy stuff, yeah. I I know who's doing the uh um the national anthem on on Wednesday night, and I I'm really looking forward to to seeing that. Um so um yeah, it's it's gonna be a good event overall. Um Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:58

Yeah, and if you want to do one of the class C shows, Allery's looking for somebody to come curb stomp him.

SPEAKER_06 18:03

He is.

SPEAKER_05 18:04

Yeah, he's he's he's begging for a beating.

SPEAKER_06 18:06

So he's not doing unlimited, he's just doing large.

SPEAKER_05 18:08

Yeah, I mean he's he's been he's been in our Discord, man. He's he's begging for somebody to come beat him.

SPEAKER_06 18:13

He wants somebody to whoop him, so yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:15

So uh challenge is there. Challenge is there. Go out there and uh beat beat Ellery in the in the in the class C large.

SPEAKER_06 18:22

I mean if I wasn't doing another show already, I I 100% would be entering.

SPEAKER_05 18:27

I mean, yeah, I I think the I I think I think there's some some KK people that would enter, but uh some of us are gonna be a little bit busy, so that's other with other priorities. If you guys will ever start scripting. Sorry, I'm not not an overachiever and have my show done already. I gotta start over, so probably, but yeah. That's an off of the air story there. Uh back to back to back to square one.

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SPEAKER_06 20:09

So I guess uh well that was interesting.

SPEAKER_05 20:12

Yeah, let's so it's last weekend. You were you were you were summarized last weekend, Elevate?

SPEAKER_06 20:18

I was, so was it Elevate?

SPEAKER_05 20:20

Um it was a very good show.

SPEAKER_06 20:30

On video. On video, on video no, in person, you know, the product performed flawlessly. Um honestly uh we use primarily T Sky, and it's honestly some of the best product I've seen since 2016, 2017, 2018 when uh there was some other pretty big names out there uh doing some shows quality-wise a product. Yeah. Um yeah, I mean again, I I can't I have nothing wrong to say about that. Um but you know, if if you've seen the actual video, what happened, uh you you know that if you if you've done anything with Cobra at all, you know that the bitrate was messed up. Uh and you know that was that was on on me. Um had debatable. Yeah. Okay. Uh oops. Yeah. I I will say that uh again, it was largely on me, um, but I I will say I also switched over from a uh take this as a as a learning experience, right? So I I switched over from one laptop to another uh in the last couple of weeks. Uh in doing so, I had to re download Audacity, uh, and that's where I uh crop all my music. Uh previously, in the old Audacity, it would Auto select your bitrate, right? It would auto-format uh to their correct um bitrate. Well when I moved over, I got complacent, right? I I'm so used to them to the to the system doing the work for me, I didn't think about checking that.

SPEAKER_05 22:19

It was already saved before with your with your class with your most with your settings, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:24

Yeah. So I yeah, I don't I got nothing else to say, but um yeah, it is what it is, it sucks. Um but I will tell you, PGI soundtrack's audio is already been run through the audio box and remote. I am not doing that again. So you're gonna have to whistle it. Yeah, I'm gonna whistle the national anthem next time. Yeah, I'm just gonna grab the mic out of uh Jason Rood's hand and start whistling the anthem.

SPEAKER_05 22:58

Yeah, or Ellery said you can just shoot shows us that music. You can just let everybody imagine you can let everybody just imagine the national anthems the fireworks are going up.

SPEAKER_06 23:07

I mean I'm not gonna lie, it did cross my mind to just pull it out of the audio and just like let the fireworks play. I I actually did think about doing that, but I was like, you know what? Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 23:19

So so so what was it, the skipping? Is that what I was doing?

SPEAKER_06 23:23

Yeah, it was skipping. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, it it it was skipping pretty bad. Uh it's it's messed up because like I had even done an audio test by pressing test on like the audio box. Um when I was not, I guess I just hadn't done enough reading on the 10 page formatting, or yeah, the whole 10 page of how to run the audio box that that doesn't select your bitrate and it doesn't play the formatted audio file.

unknown 23:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:00

Um so which I don't know. That's yeah, that's probably uh that's probably some feedback probably there to provide some feedback on that. I would I mean yeah I I I mean that that that was always I think that is the number one biggest issue I think Cobra is needs to kind of solve, I think, is the audio box stuff because I think of more shows I've cobra scenes, more more failures you see from Cobra shows are audio box issues. Audio, yeah. I mean that that that is the that is the weakest link I think in the entire process for Cobra is is the audio box. And maybe the R3 is going to help maybe solve some of that, or maybe there's been another generation of audio. I mean, I know they just changed the generation of the audio box, but I don't know. I think something along that line sees I would you know needs to kind of be, I think, figured out.

SPEAKER_06 24:50

Yeah, and again, I like I said, I I'm not saying that that was a cobra problem. Yeah, no, absolutely not by any means, right now. That's not I'm not bashing Cobra, but I am I am 100% agreeing that when I press test, it needs to test the formatting and run it through and not play if it's not formatted right. I I 100% think that would be super beneficial.

SPEAKER_05 25:12

I mean it's it's all it's ultimately it's all it's all user error, right? Like like every time it happens, it's always it's always user error. It's just you know, I just feel like that's the one weak point where you have a lot of user failure, and at some point trying to find an evolution to help reduce some of that, I think, and and reduce that friction. I mean it's gonna make the product better, right? Like that ultimately that's what you're looking that's what that's what Scott and them are always looking to do is how can they make their product better? And yeah, like the audio box, I think, is is one place that I think can really use use some edited attention in that matter. Like you say, when you test, it should test your bitrate, it should it should do like a like almost like a dry run, essentially. You you would you would hope for, right? I've met a ton of shows where you have to test about and it works fine, and then you play your show and it's given. Yeah, so I think I think yeah, I I that's one of the things I would look at, you know. But other than that, I mean it sounded like the the event went, I think, pretty well.

SPEAKER_06 26:08

Yeah, I think overall the event was uh was a huge success. Um the anthem on on Friday night was just phenomenal. Um again, congratulations are in order to the three finalists of the uh of the competition. Um all three of you did uh just a crazy great job. Um you know knowing knowing Chris Odell, knowing his story. Um that one hit me that hit home pretty hard. Uh just because again, I I I know what emotion he was pulling from to create that musical. Um Mike Allen, um the emotion from his I I mean I'm just getting shivered. Like it just it it it really tore me apart watching the show because you know it wasn't it was months after we seen him compete. I don't even think it was months. I I can't remember the exact timeline, but just knowing you know that the Pyro community pulled together for him, uh him and his family, and just super supportive. Um yeah, it was just huge.

SPEAKER_05 27:24

And then because Mike Allen happened right after Sky Wars in 2020. It was right, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_06 27:30

That's what I thought.

SPEAKER_05 27:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was right after that.

SPEAKER_06 27:34

Because I mean, literally, we were all on the field together. Yeah and then yeah, and then that happens, and then and then obviously Travis Kramer winning it. Like, huge congratulations to him for bringing home both trophies, uh, Judge's award and people's choice. Um phenomenal job on that show.

SPEAKER_05 27:51

Sound like judging was close too. Sound like judging was really close between him and Chris.

SPEAKER_06 27:54

I think yeah, I it sounds like judging was really close between him and Chris. Um, you know, I and I talked to Mike and he even said he's like, I I'm really I'm really hoping on Black Sky to win, you know, to help me. And and he did a phenomenal job at using the Black Sky. Um and and I'm not just saying this because I just I'm not just saying this to say this, like I really think all three of them went there and they did exactly what they intended to do, right? Yeah, they put on a phenomenal, emotional, impactful show and made pyros made the world hear their story. Yeah, and you know, not that that's what fireworks should always be is a is an emotional like whole, but we all are trying to put a piece like we all literally leave a piece of ourselves in the field when we do a paramusical, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We are showing the world literally what we think and how you know who we are. So um yeah, just huge congratulations are in order for to all three of them. Uh looking forward to next year seeing the three finalists next year. Um and then you know, Saturday night was really good. I I will say the boot camps this year, uh all 16 teams, uh really good job. Uh it's awesome. You guys are getting into the to the to the industry. Um don't stop. Keep you know, keep driving to get deeper into the industry because without you, the industry is gonna it's gonna die, right? So keep going. Um yeah, all the shows were really, really good. Uh and then Tim Jameson, per usual, just you know, he did the closer. Uh yeah, I I got nothing else to say, but yeah, it's just phenomenal work.

SPEAKER_05 29:54

Um Yeah, he had he had a lot he had a lot. I I watched the video of his show and a lot of interesting, kind of unique things he kind of did, which I thought was kind of cool with some of that, some of the upside that was up. Some of the upside that was up close, I thought was was really kind of creative. And um, yeah, the wheels that worked were really kind of cool too.

SPEAKER_06 30:12

Yeah, yeah. Uh the jelly beans, uh, jelly bean fountains were a lot of fun. Yeah. Uh yeah uh worked really nicely. He did the he did jungle, I can't remember the actual name, but it's the T Sky version of like a drone swarm or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 30:28

Oh yeah, the jungle jungle jets or something like that. Jungle Jets, there it is.

SPEAKER_06 30:31

Yeah, so he did a bunch of flats of those and uh just just awesome jobs. Some of his single shot runs were bar none. Uh it's just you look out there and there's some sequence.

SPEAKER_05 30:43

There were some sequences in there that were like that were really kind of good, that were really, yeah, really, really on point, and the timing was was was was ridiculous.

SPEAKER_06 30:51

Like yeah, um you look out there, and I can't remember, so don't quote me on this, but I I believe the number was in the 3500 Q range. So he I mean it was um very well executed. Um yeah, what a way to end the night. And obviously, you know, Bill Corbett's always bringing out his fireballs. Um great job. Or I just overall, again, you know, Hilbert as a whole, you guys did a really great job with um making sure the event went off uh as successful as it did. So yeah.

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SPEAKER_06 32:24

So yeah, and then kind of backtrack a little bit. You've been been out of the country and a little bit. Yeah. A little bit. Thanks. Let's dive into that.

SPEAKER_05 32:34

I I did I did take lots of notes while I while I was while I was hanging out, Tiza. I had a lot of downtime.

unknown 32:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:40

Because uh we we we figured out you had to jump early for some stuff, and you had a lot of downtime while you were there, while you're there waiting. Um, it was it was a really, really good time, a really kind of interesting experience overall. Um I mean, uh overall kind of a high level kind of thing. I mean, definitely would go back. Uh absolutely no doubt. I we will probably be back at some point in the future. Um that's cool. Yeah, yeah, may not be in the next year or two, but it though down the road, we will we will certainly certainly go back. Um, I know I know of all of our travels we've done over the last couple years to Europe and and Spain and stuff. Valencia was probably the most challenging. Yeah, as far as definitely as far as like language, like language barrier, like oh okay, yeah. A lot less people speak English in Valencia than we ran into like in Barcelona and like some of the other places where it's a little bit more touristy.

SPEAKER_06 33:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:33

Valencia, uh language barrier was probably the most challenging there. I mean we had we have some basic Spanish, kind of kind of like that, and so um that helps a little bit to kind of you know, numbers, money, stuff like that, you know. But yeah, um, definitely if you want to go, I would you know, do a lingo, a little bit, little bit of a little bit of Spanish before you go. It will prove quite helpful, trust me. Um no, I think one of the biggest things was, and um really surprised was was just the large crowds. Like I mean, I I knew it was gonna be it was gonna be busy, it was gonna be backed, and um it did not disappoint in that that fact. So um, yeah, I know a lot of times, especially during the day, during so kind of a high level of kind of how things kind of kind of work, right? So um there are things that happen in the mornings that you know parades and stuck around and play music, which makes you make sure you're awake early. Um wake you up. They wake you up if you're not, right? So uh but the but the big events, right? Every day, 2 p.m. is the daytime mascaletta um at the main at the main plaza. Um so we would go to that and then throughout the afternoon there would be like other smaller ones in some other parts of town that you could go and try to get to. It's like that. But um a lot of times in the afternoons we would have some downtime to go just explore. Um and then obviously then back again um at night, 11.59, um, would be the nighttime show.

SPEAKER_06 34:53

Oh, so that is like midnight, or late midnight.

SPEAKER_05 34:56

Basically midnight, right? So you're up, you're up, yeah. I mean, you're up nine o'clock in the morning, probably a lot of the mornings, and then you know, you're you're doing stuff most of the day, and then you get the last show at midnight, and then yeah, you're getting back at that point. You're trying to find some you know, some food and stuff the way back at that point. And uh you get back, you get to get some sleep, and you do it all over again. And so um so Las Fayas starts it starts on the first of March and goes through the 19th, and um the last, you know, the 14th, the 15th, through the 19th, those last four or five days are really kind of the peak of it, and that's where you get the yeah. As we got later in the week, we could tell the crowds were getting larger and larger and um obviously bigger, but yeah, so for the the 2 p.m. masculettes, um, the first day we didn't know not to expect. We showed up probably an hour-ish, and maybe an hour and a half early, and we were on a side street a little bit, kind of we had a terrible angle that day. Um, but you kind of you try to like weave your way through the crowds and eventually get to a point where you just can't go any further.

SPEAKER_06 35:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 35:56

And it's just it's just it's just stopped. You just can't, you just can't, you just can't get any further, right? And so um like, okay, we gotta start coming back earlier. And so the rest of the week, we would show up anywhere from two and a half to three hours early for a mask for the daytime. So we we would be there usually no later than 11:30, maybe 11:45 for the 2 p.m. show. And um, the rest of the week we had we were right in this right center of the of it, and we were probably probably six or seven people back from the railing. Like, we would get to 11:30, like almost three hours early. People had their lawn, people had their lawn chairs out there with their chairs all lined up along the fence, and there'd be five or six rows of people in lawn chairs just hanging out. Because people would people they bring their breakfast, they bring their breakfast or lunch. Like, I mean, it's 11 o'clock in the morning. People are people have a cooler full of beers just now they're drinking. Like it's it's it's uh yeah, it's it's it's really kind of crazy because like you know, it's beers and churros is is all that is all they consume. And so, yeah, um, yeah, out there, yeah. 10, 11 o'clock morning, throughout the drinking beer. I mean, and drinking ages 18 in in oh, so you got these kids next to you, like they're they're yeah, they're out there drinking beers and um definitely kind of kind of kind of you know interesting. And so yeah, so we would show up two, two and a half hours early, and you just kind of yeah, we had a little we had a little mat. We sat down on the ground and we would just sit on the ground and we would just chill out and um and just kind of hang out. I mean well, we got lucky with weather. Um it was it was probably it was probably low 70s, most 70s most of the time we were there, so not bad. Um in the sun, it would get a little bit warm out there in the sun, right? And a little bit of heat of the day, but um lots of water was lots of water was key. Um the night nighttime shows are a little bit a little bit less packed, a little bit easier to get to. You can show up a lot later for a nighttime show and still be able to get a really good spot. And plus the nighttime shows are more aerial, right? The daytime masculine, it's the most I mean, it's a lot of it's a lot of the ground, but they all they all they I mean they shoot crackle and they shoot mines and they shoot a lot of aerial stuff as well. I mean, a lot of heavily loaded aerial stuff, but um a lot of it with it was within that cage, and I mean we were probably a hundred feet back, maybe if if that for most of the daytime stuff, and so um it's intense. Like videos don't do it justice, like yeah. I mean, how how is the noise level? I mean, the I we we wore earplugs for all all the all the daytime ones. We had earplugs. Okay, yeah, and I mean it was still it was still loud. I mean, you would be staying there and your clothes would be vibrating the whole entire time. So if we're talking five, six, seven minute mascot, your clothes are vibrating the entire time you're standing there. Like it's yeah, you could feel the ground shake from when they would from the bigger ones. Like it was it was intense. It was it was it was crazy. But it was it was cool though. I mean, it was it was a blast. Like if you're into salutes and all that kind of stuff, I mean apps, I mean it's it's a blast, you know. And so one of the so a couple of days we would venture out and go and hit up like some of the smaller ones and some of the other little because Flint's huge, right? And so you have the main masculine kind of in the main city square, but all the other little neighborhoods around would also do them. So you could try to get some. So you'd have the two o'clock one, then a lot of the neighborhoods are doing like 2 30, sometimes like three o'clock, and so you'd have enough time if you kind of rushed it, you could get from the main one to some of the other smaller ones. Yeah, so you could you could catch multiples in a day. I think we yeah, we so we caught a couple on a days, and then um the one day, like I think it was the Wednesday or the Thursday, uh, we went to one and we got there early enough where I could walk through and I took some pictures because it was before they had it blocked off for public, so I was literally I could walk inside the fence area. We could walk inside the fence area, and you could literally they're like right there. I mean took a lot of pictures of them and um and stuff like that. And that was the show where they were they were shooting away with with fire deck, which I specifically went to that show because of that. And because I had talked with the guy before on on Facebook about it, and so he told me where to go and stuff. And went there and we watched that one, and um, we were really close. I will say we were we were really, really close to that one. Um, the wind was blowing towards us. Yeah, so as this as the mask lead would burn, the little the sleuths fall off and they would blow, and the wind was blowing towards us, and a couple times it got off a close, like one one blew from where it was at all the way over to the fence we were standing. We were standing right against the fence, and it within five feet of us, it went off. I mean, but I mean they're not not but they're not super big, right? Like, I'll show you guys right here. This is exactly this is exactly one from that show. Um, yeah, they're 30 millimeters. Um, they're not they're not that big, right? If you could compare the size of your finger, I mean it's I mean, how long is I mean how how long? Yeah, I mean that's like like the length the length, like right, like the length of your finger, right? So I mean yeah, yeah, they're yeah, they're they're like yeah, three or four inches maybe. Yeah, I mean, I shot I shot firecrackers that were about this size, by the way, but that's that's that's that's that's another part of the story. But you can all you can all you can buy firecrackers the size of as well. But um, yeah, so that's that's what what they what they was shooting. Um they don't look they'll look big, but they're they're loud. Like yeah, and also too, you're within the confines of the city streets and all the all the buildings, you get that echo effect, right? And that concussion, yeah. It really stays bottled up, and I think that really what intensifies, I think, a lot of the sounds and stuff. But yeah. Very much, yeah, they were just yeah, it's just crazy. Yeah, and um, like the big thing of like the daytime ones is just that that rhythm, right? The the beating. They they try to create those sequences without the music, right? They're using they're using slutes to make to make their own music. Yeah, and it's really kind of cool to just kind of see how they do that. And I mean, they treat this as like a pirate musical as much as we do, right? Like our job is to choreograph essentially. They're choreographed these mascalettas to you know, some song they have in their head, probably, that there's no actual music going, but they're creating the music and people would chant with the with them, right? So as they would go out, people people would be chanting because they because they knew the beats of it, right? And so um very, very cool to kind of be able to see that and experience that and how you know how how much these people really really do enjoy. I mean, it's yeah, it's a lot, a lot of locals. I mean, there was not there was not a lot of people from the US there. Like, we would go into stores and people are like, You're the only people from the US we've seen here. Like, I I I know there were some other people there from from from the US because we had kind of talked on Facebook beforehand, and but yeah, we would go into stores and like, yeah, you're the first people from the US we've seen today. Like, it's that not a lot of people from the US are here at this event. You get a lot of people from Europe that are there, and so um it was kind of interesting in in that aspect. I've I thought, yeah, it's just yeah. I mean it's not a big US like thing, right? Because Las Bias is the celebration of St. Joseph, right? And and that's kind of the whole basis behind it. But yeah, it was just one thing. Yeah, this just the crowds, like I mean you you are literally like shoulder to shoulder, like front to back people, like like you can't hardly move. There's so many people in the in the streets because people just start to kind of crowd up when you get closer to stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_06 43:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:05

Um the night night shows were were also were also really cool. Um I definitely enjoyed all of those. So the first couple of nights they were in the main the main scare where they when they did the mascot, then they have them out on on the bridge and stuff the other nights for um for the castle nights and then Nick the Fuck night. And um those are really kind of interesting shows because I mean they're not musical shows, right? We all like musical shows. I mean, we're spoiled. Right. We can see pirate musicals, right? And uh we're at a place where they're not pirate musicals, right? It's it's just fireworks, but it's not just fireworks when you kind of actually kind of sat there and uh and feel it and kind of get sucked in. You can you can see how they try to, like they say, create the rhythm. They try to create their own music with the with the fireworks and the sequences they do. And um very much, yeah, they everything is is all color coordinated and and grouped together in segments. So they would do segment segments of the show where there would be a a certain sequence, certain segment there where everything all kind of matched, and then there'd be a quick pause and then you'd have another segment. And so um and those were off of the bridge area um and and they were the good the green way. And um first night we were up top and we watched it from up top and with a big roundabout, and that was kind of cool. And then um the other two nights we washed it down in the in the park area, which was a little more uncontrolled, yeah. Um, and it was a lot more uh lot more pyroactivity down there. That was uh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 44:32

I seen video, it's just you guys, yeah, it was crazy.

SPEAKER_05 44:35

Just it's it's it's it is very uh what happens there would never happen in the United States. Like it would be loose, it would not fly. Yeah, like people walk around and they just light firecrackers, drop it on the ground, and just keep walking. That's wild. You just walk around lighting stuff and you're just throwing it on the ground. You you just keep on walking. Like, like the city streets, people are shooting rockets and Roman candles, and you see a lot of firecrackers, rockets, and Roman candles, um, some little ground effect stuff, like some little fountains and some little next little like some little spinners that kind of go up. You see a lot of that stuff. Um not a lot of cakes. Um you do see some, but not a lot. Um cakes are pretty pricey over there, like you know, 500 gram cakes are probably 150 euros in the in the stores, so which you know 160, 170 dollars US. Wow. So cakes, cakes are pretty expensive. Um, you do see some. You know, some people, you know, we we would see some when we were down in the in the park area, but um yeah, it was uh very very uncontrolled. Like, yeah, yeah. Uh Jessica got really, really nervous a lot uh when we were in some of those areas because of uh of how uncontrolled it it really was. I mean, the police are there, but they're just monitoring to make sure everybody stays somewhat civil, safe. Well, not really safe, but just civil and nothing gets out of control, right? Yeah, but yeah, they're not they're not really stopping anybody from from doing anything. Like they're just presence there just to be if somebody got hurt, they could help. But um they're not stuck, they're not stopping anything in in these areas, and so it's very very loose, very, very interesting. Um but uh yeah, that was definitely something that was a bit surprising, just how loose it is there with with the fireworks. And um, you can walk. We walked into a couple fireworks stores, looked around. I I bought I bought some stuff while while we were there. And um I mean they have different different classifications like we do here, like F1, F2, F3, and then I think F4.

SPEAKER_06 46:32

I've been very intrigued to see the different F series. Uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:36

I yeah, I have I have a whole book that has some catalogs that they have all their stuff in there. Like F1 is like your safe insane stuff, right? I think you can purchase that if you're like 12 or something like that, or 16, and then F2, and then F3 is essentially like a 1.3. It's like our classification. They're F3 is our one is our 1.3, but you can buy F3 in the in the store. Like I I bought, I'll show you guys this is this interesting. These are fireworks, all right. It's just a firecracker. Um and these have a 1.3 classification. Very cool. They're F3. You can walk in the store, you can buy these.

SPEAKER_06 47:14

And they handwrite, did I see the handwrite the the date of manufacture on there?

SPEAKER_05 47:19

Yeah, so yeah, so yeah, so the year was 2020, right? Handwrite 2020, and then the main, and this is probably the factory code, probably. So 2026 was manufactured, and then that's your um the number F246 is your lot number. That's cool. Yeah, and these uh these these were these were uh NEC of 9.5. So if you know what NEC is, you'll uh but uh yeah, you can you can walk us to the store. Those are allowed. You can walk us to where you can buy these, buy these off the shelf. Um, I think you have to be 21, I think, maybe to to buy these F3s. Um they now they didn't ask me for any ID, but um yeah, yeah. You can walk in, you can buy that. So and then I think F4 is their professional fireworks, essentially, which is like another level up.

SPEAKER_06 48:02

And so um is that time fuse, or is that more of what we consider visco?

SPEAKER_05 48:08

Um, it's a little bit of a time fuse, a little bit. It's kind of like a visco. So I had some different ones like this that had actually had a green visco on there. Oh, okay. It was like two stage. The green visco would burn, and then it would hit like a time fuse, and it would kick the time fuse out and it would burn some more. And um, that one was more just like uh yeah, they're kind of like a time fuse, essentially. Okay, yeah, it's a really, really thick kind of uh core on them. And but super yeah, oh yeah, super loud. Like those would go off, and yeah, if you were close by, it yeah, it would it would hurt. Yeah. But um, yeah, and then um so obviously the other big thing of Las Fias is all those all the figurines, all the sculptures throughout the city.

SPEAKER_06 48:45

Yeah, those were incredible.

SPEAKER_05 48:46

Um there's like 750 of those things built throughout the entire city, and what we saw was a very small fraction of that. I I bet we probably saw no more than probably 40 or 50. Probably. Wow. Just because Valencia is so large, right? And it's all every neighborhood, like every single neighborhood has has these in them and multiples of them, right? They have the the full size ones, they have then the infant ones, which are which are smaller ones, which are more kid size, right?

SPEAKER_07 49:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 49:17

Um the big ones would get uh easily 60, 70 feet tall. Holy cow. Like like like the big one that won that won the special one, I think it was a 260,000 euros to build. And it was easily 60 or 70 feet tall and another 50 feet probably wide. And um we actually had some passes. We actually walked walk inside the fence, and we got to actually got to like go they they they would build these so you could like go and like walk through them. They would put sidewalks to go through them, and you could go and you could walk through the middle of them and um get like up and close with them. And so um it's just crazy the amount. I mean, they spent all year building them. Like yeah, so here you spend an entire year to build these things, the all these structures, and on the last night you burn them. So you said 2600 euros, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 50:12

So is that three hundred and six thousand dollars?

SPEAKER_05 50:15

Yeah, US dollars, yeah. Over a quarter million dollars. Like it's it's wild how much they I mean, obviously, I think some of them get I think they get budgets, right? Like it's okay. Some of it some of it's but a lot of it is sponsorship. So you go in these neighborhoods and they've got advertisements and the lights all around these neighborhoods, right? So a lot of them are sponsored in a way. That's how they kind of fundraise, I think, for a lot of this stuff. But um, it's just it's just wild to me that you know you spend all this time, all this work to build and create these these magnificent, and they only spare like one a year, right? So there's one that is selected each year that gets spared and goes into the museum.

SPEAKER_02 50:50

So that they're just the winner, um, not necessarily.

SPEAKER_05 50:54

No, they they call it pardon, right? So one of them gets pardoned every year. Uh it's usually a smaller one, right? So they can they can keep it. And the one that gets pardoned doesn't get burned. The winner is the last one to burn. Okay. So if you're the winner, you get to get to burn last. You're the last one to burn.

SPEAKER_06 51:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 51:09

Um very cool. Yeah, and so they'll they set them up, and then on the last night on the 19th, on the 19th for for Lacrima, um, the pyro textures they come in and they wrap, they wrap them with with with quick with quick match, and then they put little bottles of alcohol or you know, acetone or diesel or whatever, you know, and they put these little bottles and they stuff it inside of them. They're made out of styrofoam. So terrible on the environment to burn, by the way. Absolutely terrible, you know, and terrible to breathe, by the way, when you're there watching it. So just building napalm, right? Oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah, and so so then, so yeah, so then they they come in and then um you know, the the queen of the district or whatever, she comes in and then they make a big thing, and then she she lights it and it burns and um they they they burn. Styrofoam just burns to the ground, they they fall over, and um, yeah, it's it's it's it's really crazy. I mean, that you know, and they go through this and this takes many, many hours to burn these because they don't just I mean, because you only have so many power technicians in the city, so they kind of go, I think, from from place to place, and um, we tried to kind of catch a few that a few to watch to burn and and tried to see as many as many as we could, but um it's just it's just tough to kind of get through and um see more than more than a few of them. But yeah, they they start and I mean they were I think the last one by where our apartment was at didn't burn until probably one or two o'clock in the morning, probably if not later than that. It was it was pretty late. Yeah, it was pretty late for the last one to burn over there, but um yeah, and then um the last two days they have the flower offering where they build the Virgin Mary out of flowers.

SPEAKER_06 52:45

Yeah, that was uh very interesting.

SPEAKER_05 52:46

So all all these neighborhoods, so all the all the Fayas and and and Falera, Fiera, they all have flowers and they march from these from these other neighboring areas all the way back up and to this back neighborhood area where they and they come and they give their flowers and then the kids go and they build the Virgin Mary out out of bouquets of flowers. And um a very kind of you know emotional kind of thing to go and watch because this is you know kind of the culmination of everything for them. And um very kind of kind of cool. See, we got we got a lot of good pictures and and stuff of that. And like during this whole processional process, like all the roads are closed, and uh it's like it's terrible to try to get around. Yeah. Um but yeah, and and yeah, and the whole process of that is you know, they they prayed through the neighborhoods, and so um you get all these girls dressed up in their outfits, and the guys in their outfits, and the kids, and they all have a band with them, you know, like an instrumental band, and they are marching through the streets playing playing music and um really kind of celebrating and stuff. And so there they're I have a lot of a lot of videos and stuff of some of that kind of stuff, and um yeah, so that's really kind of like like the gist of it, and so more of like you know, and then the kind of the next piece is more like your your your travel guide kind of thing. Like I'll give you guys a little travel guide because I know there's people that are interested in going. Um there was a couple people out there that reached out to me that are very interested in going, they actually are going next year, and so um they were kind of looking for pointers and tips and and helpful stuff like that, right? And so I was I mentioned like the language barrier. I mean, that was probably the most the most challenging part of of the vacation. So Google Translate is a must, right? Like it's super easy to translate that way. Um, you have conversations that way. Um, I had stopped and talked with uh with a pyro along the way one time when we was walking to, and he didn't speak English at all, so we had to use a little Google Translate, you know, because they were cleaning up their system and um just kind of Google Translate, you know, a little bit, you know. And he had mentioned about Ricardo and uh being in Las Vegas like a couple weeks beforehand. Yeah, because that was that's a big thing. That's a big thing to them, right? Like he was like he was in Las Vegas and the the conventional record, which I thought was kind of cool that he'd brought that up when we were talking about it, you know, and so um kind of interesting. Um the other thing there's like food, drinks, like street fair. Yes. So it's a big festival, right? And so the street where our Airbnb was on happened to be we our Airbnb was in Rustafa, which is really the heart of the entire festival. We were less than a mile from the main from the main plaza, so everything was walking distance for us. I mean, we walked the entire time we were there pretty much.

SPEAKER_06 55:22

Wow. I was gonna ask how uh was travel like did you guys rent scooters or we walked, we walked, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:30

We we walked everywhere. I mean, that's nothing was nothing was was really too far. We used public transportation um a couple of times to go back and forth and we went farther away, but most part we walked, and so um, but we we were we were lucky. I picked an Airbnb specifically in the middle of stuff because I wanted to be in the middle of it, but the downside of that is it's it's noisy. Yeah, uh our street was always packed with people, so from probably noon until midnight, 1 a.m., it was full of people because there was multiple food vendors, there was multiple other vendors on our street, like um there were places to eat below us as well because we we had a we had we had the top floor of an Airbnb, so it was with their own balcony. So it was cool, it was it was nice, and um our Airbnb elevator was was tiny. If you're claustrophobic, that was that was hard. Um you could fit one person and two suitcases in the elevator, that was it.

SPEAKER_06 56:22

Whoa.

SPEAKER_05 56:23

So when we went up and down with our suitcases, I would go up, take them up, come back down, I'd take Jessica's up, and then she would, yeah. So her and I would ride the elevator together and we'd be standing and we'd be like looking at each other like this. Like Wow, you yeah, the elevator maximum was three people. Uh it was it was it was yeah, it was no more, it was no more than like four foot by four foot. Like it was the tiniest elevator I'd been into. Um, but I wasn't using the stairs to go up five flights of stairs either. So which was even which was even which was yeah, even smaller. But um, yeah, so yeah, so basically part of the key is pick a location where you, you know, if you want to be in the center of the action, Roussafa is the place to go. Um, there are obviously things that happen in other neighborhoods where it might be a little bit quieter, but um highly recommend if you want to be in the middle of things, you want everything to be walking distance, that's where you want to go. Um, lots of lots of food, drink options. Um, you know, people drink beer all day long. Um, lots of that. I mean, literally literally on the street. You can walk on the street and the bars are on the street, and you can just walk up. They have doors that face the street, and you just walk up, order your drinks, and go about your day. Like, like, yeah, like we had a Taco Bell where you could Taco Bell that sold beer. Fuck by a Taco Bell. Really? They had advertisement on the door, yeah, like two cervezas for like like 350 or something like that. Like, yeah, beer is very, very prominent there. Um, we we did we did we we met up with uh with nudie. So if you know nudie from Power Gym, one Pardia 25. Um, we hung out with him multiple days while we were there. That's awesome. Um uh he says the beer sucks, by the way, in Spain. So he said it's horrible. Uh we did we didn't drink any beer while we were there, but uh he said it's horrible. Uh I took his word for it. Um but uh yeah, we actually hung out with him him several times, him and him and him and his girlfriend. We hung out with him uh uh several times we were over there, and so that was that was really cool.

SPEAKER_06 58:07

But huge shout out to Nudie too.

SPEAKER_05 58:09

That is so awesome to reach out and yeah, he reached out to me because he's seen the podcast, he'd watch the podcast, like hey, I know you're coming, man. We should meet up. And so um, yeah, we met up, we watched a lot of stuff together. He he actually hooked me up with the with the with the whole schedule of where all the all the mascots were in the um in the city, and so we would meet up at different ones, and um, but yeah, lots of lots of food options. Um when we travel, especially if we go to Europe, um, we don't eat at the U.S. food chains, like there's McDonald's, there's Burger Kings, there's subways, there's Taco Bells. We didn't we didn't step foot into a single one the entire time we we were gone.

SPEAKER_06 58:44

Like see, I probably would step into like a McDonald's just to see if they have something different, right?

SPEAKER_05 58:48

Yeah, I've like you could like you see the advertisements like on the windows, and they have some weird stuff, yeah. But what when we went to France last year, we went to McDonald's just to kind of see because then then they saw like macaroons at McDonald's last year. But um, this year we didn't go it the only thing I will say, the only thing that we do go into is is Starbucks. Um okay. Jessica has to have her Starbucks.

SPEAKER_06 59:06

Yeah, I get that. Uh I mean I don't get it, but sure, I get it.

SPEAKER_05 59:09

She doesn't like coffee, she likes creamer with a little bit of coffee in it.

SPEAKER_06 59:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 59:13

Um, and in Europe, they don't they don't they don't make coffee like that. In Europe, they make coffee and it's coffee. That's what you get. You get coffee or you get espresso, and that's about it, right? Like there's not even a drip coffee, really. It's mostly just espresso. Like really, mostly in Europe is most espresso, it's lattes or something like that. So um, yeah, we did visit Starbucks. That was really the only thing that we visited, but outside of that, like we tried to like find food places that that were just like local places. Um, we're not like crazy adventurous on food. If you are, there's tons of that. Um we stick to a lot of a lot of like burgers and and pizzas and and chicken and and stuff like that, yeah. But if you're adventurous, there's a lot of there's a lot of lot of crazy stuff and opportunities, but uh you will find restaurants are very, very small. Okay, like you go to a restaurant, there might be six tables the entire restaurant, and that's all there is.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:03

Well, and is that due to like just obviously restriction, or is that due to like there's being so many other restaurants?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:10

It's just the size of the of the of the buildings, right? Like everything, everything is small and condensed. And in Europe, when you go to a restaurant and sit down at a table, the expectation is that's your table for the entire night. Like it's not like the US where you go to a restaurant and they try to get you out as fast as possible.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:27

Right? Because the more people they come in, the more tips they get, right? Like, yeah. In Europe, you don't tip when you go you don't tip on anything, and so the servers, the staff, they get paid whether you sat there for an hour or you sit there for four hours. Oh, okay. They they still get paid, right? They're getting paid hourly. And so people go to restaurants, they'll eat, but then it's also social, right? It's also social activities.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:48

And so when a restaurant's full for dinner, it's probably full for the night. Good luck trying to get in, right? So that was the hardest challenge we had sometimes was just finding places to eat because we just didn't we didn't plan a whole lot ahead of time for that kind of stuff. We just we just yeah, just swing it sometimes, right? Just show up and just flow how things go. And so um, we got a little bit better as the kind of week went as to figuring out when the peak times were.

unknown 1:01:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:12

And so when you find the peak times, you go before. Um in in Spain, they eat different times than we do. So their lunch time is more like their lunch time is more like two to like four. Oh and their dinner is more like nine p.m.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:27

Is that due to like lighting schedule or is it? I think it's just lifestyle. I think it's just lifestyle.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:31

I think it's just lifestyle. I think it's just lifestyle. Yeah, we were talking to talking to Nudie about it. He was like, yeah, he was like, you'll you'll see that dinner here is more like after nine. Yeah, so you would you know, and a lot of places would close between like four and seven. Or between like three, even like three and seven, right? So if you miss lunch, you were SOL until dinner time.

unknown 1:01:53

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:54

Right? So so you were so sometimes you did have to scramble a little a little bit for stuff, but uh yeah, so I would just you know, just future, just you know, try to try to kind of maybe plan some stuff. You know, if there's specific spaces you want to eat, places you want to go. Yeah. Just kind of plan some of that ahead. Um another thing you'll notice is not that sugar. Like you order something, you order you order coffee, no sugar. You'll you won't you have to ask for sugar. Um soda is always by the bottle. Um you won't find fountain drinks anywhere. Um everything is usually single serve bottles, and um it's not cheap. I mean, soda, soda's not, I mean, they've like they have they have sugar tax, so it's so not cheap over there. You know, for 16 ounce bottle, it's probably four bucks, probably five bucks for a soda. So it's yeah, it's a little bit pricey, but um yeah. Um the other thing I would do is you know, is um people, I mean, people were extremely nice, extremely pleasant. Um everybody was was always thoughtful of those a lot of times, yeah. I mean, they they would speak to us in Spanish and realize we didn't understand what said, they'd be like, ah, English. Okay, we got you. Yeah, yeah. Or we'd go to a restaurant and they would just bring us to the English menu, right? So uh if they had one, right? So it was it was very kind of cool to kind of see you know, see that and super helpful, like if you know you could just ask people and they would they would help you. Um, you can get those big crowds, you will get some people who are a bit pushy. Um, they will show up 15 minutes for the mascot and think they can push it away at the front of the line, and they can think they can go away the fence and they can get a little pushy and and entitled, and um, it creates a little bit of tension sometimes. It's um yeah, we see we saw we saw some some some activity a couple of times of people getting a little uh a little heated, yeah, a little feisty trying to push through crowds. And um, I mean I get it. I mean, when we've been sitting there for two or three hours, right, holding our spot down, and then people show up you know half an hour beforehand and they want to push their way up in front of you. I mean, you get you get you get a little pissy about that, right? Like I've been here all day. I've been here for three hours. Wait, like what are you doing? So yeah, um, so patience, just have some patience with stuff like that. Um different culture, like people are you know, or it's just it's just different, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:06

Um, transportation is another good one. Um, lots of roads get closed. Like, yeah. Um, we ventured out one day um to the beach. Went to the beach one night. We're like, hey, that's just you know, we had a little downtime. It's like let's go out to the beach and visit one of the other one of the other neighborhoods over there and see some different stuff and took the bus out. Um, and then happily one of the nights where they were doing, I think the first night they're doing fireworks or the second night they're doing fireworks um on the bridge. And so the main roads were closed and most of the bridges across were closed. Um and most of the bus routes were most of the bus bus stops were closed. Um buses couldn't get over to that side, and so uh we got stuck over there over there when I for a little bit longer while too. We didn't have to get a taxi to actually to come back across because the bus stops that we were trying to find they just weren't running because the bus bus routes weren't closed, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:04:56

So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:57

Um pay attention to the roads bursts being closed if you decide to venture out and you'd be back at a certain time, just you know. Um Google Maps is pretty good about keeping that updated on when roads are closed, but um sometimes it's not. I mean, it's we have lot large masses of people, they just kind of take over. And so I know at light, at night a lot of the roads would would be closed, and it's a little bit difficult to go. During the day, you're you're pretty much fine on public transportation, but um it can be a little tough at night, yeah. I mean it's yeah, that would yeah, we that was all things. We rode the bus a couple times just to go out and kind of venture some to some farther areas away, but um we're only do that just uh I think just mainly just the one day.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:34

Um but yeah, then we talked a little bit about the about the street pyro stuff. I had my notes on here. Um really, yeah, it was yeah, it was just crazy. It was I mean it's cool. I mean it's fun. I mean, if you're in that, I mean if you're into that kind of that kind of that kind of dangerous stuff, I mean uh I mean we were yeah, I mean we were lighting fire. I mean, I was lighting fire race out in the out you know out in the street and you know when Nudia were lighting some stuff. He he he actually brought he actually had a box of firecrackers that was like fresh from the factory.

unknown 1:06:00

Oh.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:02

Because he had helped on a couple of the mascalettas. And so I think one of the guys had brought him, I think, some some fire. So we we lost we lost some fire, some of the smaller firecrackers that were fresh from the factory. So it was it was kind of it was kind of it was kind of cool. Um yeah, the thing you'll see you'll notice a lot of times at all the events, security, police presence. Like yeah, it's it's a lot different over there when you have police on the side of the road, you know, with their automatic weapons, yeah, holstered on their you know, with their hands on and like watching people. Um every daytime Mascaletta, there was no less than three drones in the air. They were they and they were they were they were police drones. I mean you could tell. They would they would they would fall around. Um, and then every day, about an hour before it would start, the hell the police helicopter would be up and be flying around watching the crowds. Um but yeah, it was um there would be a lot of a lot of people would need would need medical attention. So one of the things they have is a lot is people sit out there in the sun, drink beer, you don't drink water. Yeah, you hydrate, you pet, you pass out, police gotta come through. And so we see a lot of activity out there. There's a lot of lot of emergency response, and they just come and you know, with their whistles and they get through the crowds and stuff and back out. But um, yeah, a lot of a lot of police presence. So I mean it was all over the place all the time, you know, vans, cars, like they were always always made themselves known. Okay. But we didn't really see though any any like enforcement really that much or any of them cracking down and stuff. It was more keeping an eye on, you know, just you know, making sure people were being somewhat safe. Say keeping things, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:33

Yeah, somewhat in in areas where you should be doing fireworks or doing you know, stuff like that. You know, it's more more crowd control than versus anything, yeah. That's yeah, yeah. It was just interesting, yeah. Yeah, they're just you know, they're just heavily armed and really that more the imitation of imit imitation, yeah, intimidation is how I kind of felt about sometimes is they're just you know make themselves uh selves present.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:53

So yeah, make make sure they're you know, you know they're there and yeah, yeah, all that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:59

Yeah, I think just to help kind of curb, I think, you know, some some of the legal stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:04

Yeah, and I kind of mentioned a little bit earlier about about the neighborhoods and stuff, and like each neighborhood has its own style, its own theme. Like, um, yeah, like like over in the one neighborhood we went to a lot, you know, it was more of a Chinese neighborhood, like it's like a Chinatown, essentially. And everything over there is kind of everything over there was kind of kind of themed, you know, like the Chinese kind of theme. All the all the all the figurines that were built is that way is that way. And um, another area was like Cuba and Puerto Rico, and um you have all these different different kind of themes and different different kind of in the neighborhoods, and it's really kind of cool to go and and see some of that. And um, we didn't necessarily see nearly as many as we could have, but it's you'd have to travel a bit to go out and see, I think, some of the other stuff. But um, yeah, definitely um Mount Yeah, the Mount Mount Malvavrosa was a really cool one. Um, they have the big light show in the street that they play at night. So I think I don't think I shared any of the videos of that. I'll have to share some videos. Yeah, so they lighted up and it was like American music, right? And so the lights would go with the American music and um the light show versus fireworks, and so the neighborhoods win awards for the decorations as well.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:13

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:13

So yeah, and so that's that's part of the thing, too. Yeah, but yeah, you got like if you're on a TikTok and you search up uh Malvarosa, um, you can see some of those, some of those videos like that. But uh yeah, it was definitely uh definitely a different part of town compared to where we were at as far as like yeah, it felt a little bit more run down and not as nice, but um definitely kind of uh kind of cool to go and see some of the other stuff, you know. Um but yeah, we were in Rustafa, uh it's really the middle of of everything. So if you look that neighborhood up for Valencia, it's a good spot to go. Um a lot of fireworks around there, a lot of parades. Um you really only got probably four hours each night at quiet time, like from like three to like seven. Yeah, we would hear fireworks at seven o'clock in the morning, probably as early sometimes. Um yeah. I mean, but but but for these kids though, they're on holiday, they're on vacation, right? This is like a spring break. So most of that, most of the entire last week is a holiday for everybody who works and all the schools. So you have an entire week or two there that kids are out of school, and then the entire last week is a is a is a city holiday. So a lot of your people are off work, except for you know all all of your you know, your service industry stuff. But uh yeah, so for them, it's like it's like fourth of July, but it's like a whole week. And it's yeah, so it was kind of cool to kind of see you know a lot of yeah, a lot of the kids out there, and I mean a lot of a lot of young kids lighting fireworks, like we're young kids, like okay, like yeah, all right. That's yeah. I mean, I've seen that in the US before, but uh we don't see it very often, right? Like, yeah, it's yeah, but yeah, yeah. Um another one that was obviously I think interesting is uh we're kind of ran to is cell phone service. Um when you get that many people packed into a single area, you get no service, like zero service. Like when you got hundreds of thousands of people packed into the city of Square, um, your cell phone service was was non non-existent. So um that makes sense. Yeah, so a lot of times during that daytime, you know, that 12 to 3 o'clock time when we were there, the main masculine is there was no no cell phone service at all. And then um at night too, for a lot of nighttime shows, you would you would lose service. So just expect not to have phone service uh during the during during some of the time, some of those those crowds. And you know, it's kind of kind of prepared for that. You know, I mean, if you go to those lot large, large shows, pack water. Yeah, packs, pack snacks. Yeah, we took a backpack with with snacks and water and and cameras like that, and just uh it would just hang out stuff like that. But uh yeah, yeah, yeah. You won't you won't have any any uh any cell phone service. Um another another important thing if you're meeting somebody, um prepare ahead of time, have a meeting place set up so you kind of know where you're meeting people because um if you're trying to meet somebody at one of the big events, you're not gonna find them. There's too many people, there's too many people around, yeah. So definitely plan to meet up, you know, um in some smaller areas or outside away from from the main events, so it's a lot easier to to meet up with people that way.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:08

That makes a lot of sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:09

Yeah, that's where we usually we we we would we would always be at the same spot where Nudie was at, but we we would never we would never be able to find each other. Like there was a couple days we were we were we were probably watching the daytime asculeta within a few feet from each other and had no idea.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:23

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:24

Yeah, because I was like, we watched it from here. He was like, Yeah, I watched it from there too yesterday at the same time. Like we were literally within feet from each other before before we had met each other, though. You know, so it was um just kind of yeah, it's kind of crazy. But yeah, if you don't have anything planned, you have a meetup with people. Um everywhere basically accepts cards when you're traveling. Um Amex is usually pretty limited. You won't find a lot of places that take Amex in Europe, but um Visa MasterCard. Um, we always carry some Euros with us. Um just always nice sometimes, just have some Euros just to pay cash occasionally, but um everywhere takes card. Um, so really no, I mean, if you're with some of the vendors, sometimes you know, street vendors, it was more you know, cash was a lot, it was a lot easier than try to do cards like that. But uh definitely if you're if you're going, just kind of you know keep that kind of in mind. Um and then the last I think that we've we really kind of thought was was interesting was just the amount of trash I was left everywhere after these events, right? Like the daytime masculine at two o'clock, everybody's sitting out there, they're drinking, they're eating. Um masculine is over, everybody leaves the trash behind and boom, gone, disperses. Wow. And it's just it's just trash everywhere. Like, like as soon as the masculine ends, there's like this crew of cleanup crew that just like storms the area with with with carts and brooms, and they're sweeping all the trash up. And it's that's just wild. It is wild, like our street where our street was, like I said, our street was very busy. I would get up in the morning and to look out our balcony, there'd be pizza boxes everywhere, except with the pizza place below us. There'd be pizza boxes everywhere, beer cans everywhere, like just and then the street sweepers would come by and they would all sweep it all up and and bag everything. And it was just baffling, you know, how people just like didn't pack their trash out. Like I we always packed our trash out, like it's just how we are, right? We go to the event, you take your trash with you, take it back out.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:12

Like, you know, so again, is that how is that limited to like space? You don't have room for can like trash cans or right, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:19

It's tough, right? There's not a lot of trash cans. Like, yeah, like I'll get like we have these big events like that, hundreds of thousands of people, everybody's got water bottles, beer cans, snacks. I mean, yeah, they have it all with them. I mean, you could put it back in your bag and take it with you, or just or you just leave your bag of trash here and let the let the cleanup crew come through.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:38

But um yeah, I mean if they're coming through, yeah. I mean, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:40

Like, yeah, pretty much like every morning they would come through and like wash the sidewalks off where our apartment was, and they would sweep the roads and and try to kind of pick up and stuff like that. But yeah, it was kind of interesting to kind of see that just how how much trash and stuff people would leave behind. And yeah, um, but they all they got they got it cleaned up. I mean, it was yeah, I just it's just crazy the amount of organization that goes into an event of this size. Like it's it's absolutely incredible just to really step back and observe it from that. I mean, if you go all the time if you're local, you probably don't notice it maybe as much, versus somebody who's coming in and looking from like a new perspective and seeing it, and you can see the organization that goes through from you know granted. There was situations where it was very, very disorganized. Like we were in a couple days where it was very unorganized of what was going on, and it was frustrating at times. Um but the larger events were always very organized, like fences were clearly put up and organized, and afterwards the cleanup crew was was there to pick up and and stuff like that. But um, yeah, it's just yeah, just wild the just uh the amount of people is attends. It's yeah, that that's the hardest thing I think think to get through is just the just the amount of of people. I mean, you have to be comfortable being in very large crowds of people. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I would say that overall though, I mean we we really, really did enjoy the experience. Um definitely would would would recommend. I mean, if you're thinking about going and you can pull it off, I I would go. Um the last week, right, is when you really want to go. That 14th through the night, 14th through the night of the 19th, so into the morning of the 20th, right? So we got there on like the day on the day of like the 14th, and we left on the morning of the 20th. Um and really those last four days is really when it peaks and really, really picks up. But yeah, highly highly recommended if you want to go. Um you won't be able to see everything all at one time. So yeah. Um take some naps, highly encouraged naps. Like every day we I think just about every day we went back to the apartment and just chilled out for a couple hours just to just to just to chill, like just to kind of get away from all the crowds and get from everything and just to kind of relax and chill. Whether we took a nap or we just watched some TV or whatever, we just would just chill out for a couple hours and then get and then go out and do dinner and then go go browse around and get ready. But um take some downtime because um you can you can bring yeah, you'll burn yourself out trying to get from everything to everything. You just can't. I mean it's it's just not possible really to go to see everything. So um but yeah, I mean if you if you if you want, you know, if you have specific questions or you want to know specific things, you know, hit me up. I mean email me. You can reach out to me on Facebook or or whatever. I know that you know there's only a couple people reach out to me on Facebook who are definitely going next year and so wanting some information, and so um definitely can can share some stuff with you if you want and they'll give you some ideas and some stuff to do. But uh yeah, I would just go, yeah, have a basic plan on what you want to do. Um we watched some of the days from from from some balconies. Um some are worth it, some are not really, you know. I mean, I think we had our best experiences down in the crowd. Grant, be up on the balcony, you're kind of away from the big crowd and you get a little bit of a breather. Yeah. But it you know, it's not really you can't get really the same effect. And um some of the balconies are okay, some are not. The one the one night we had the night balcony was actually kind of cool to get to watch it, but it was night show, so it was aerial anyway. Yeah but you were you're out of the crowd, you know, and so um yeah. I mean, I I would, yeah. I think if you can get there early enough, it gets you a nice spot down low. I mean, that's where you're gonna feel the most. I mean, yeah, you want to feel the ground rumble under your feet like that's a good thing. That's where you want to be. That's where you want to be.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:36

That's what you're there for, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:37

Yeah. So, but yeah, I would yeah, definitely we'll be back. We'll we'll go back again.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:43

Good, good. Yeah. I I would love to go and see all that. Uh it's it sounds like a great time.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:49

Um Yeah, I I I I had I had a guy, I had a really, really cool tour guide, so that that that helped that helped a lot because oh yeah. He would he would send me send me stuff and I had a whole list of where of the schedule where things wrap, so it was super easy to go through and and find stuff and um be able to kind of hang out and all that kind of stuff. So it was it was it was it was good. It was good to it was good to have somebody there to meet up with, I will say. Like for sure. Like if you've got a group of people, it's so much more I think enjoyable with a group of people versus me and Jessica the entire time. I mean, it's yeah, yeah, with especially with a lot of the stuff when you're when you're doing when you're waiting, right? When you show up early to wait for a good spot and it's yeah, you're just sitting here, right? It's yeah, like like having other people to converse with is is is a lot a lot better, right? I it's fun that people watch, but um having having other people to kind of kind of you to talk to, chat with, it's it it's it's just a better experience, yeah. And so it's yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:46

Well, I mean, especially when you don't have you know cell service and such, like yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:51

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean yeah. Yeah, so yeah, so I I would definitely, you know, definitely encourage going with with with the group where you can um you know kind of hang out and do some different things together and um kind of pass pass that time a little bit more sometimes, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:07

Yeah. For sure makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:12

I will say I boarded more planes on the tarmac during this trip than I have in my entire life. Really? Like it's like your choice or no, like that's just the way the airports were set up. Like you just you walk out, go out and you walk like like like like the presidential treatment, right? You walk up the little stairs going to you going to the airplane, you know for the tar. Yeah. Like we left, so we left Valencia, no, we left Paris to fly to to fly down to Valencia. We're at the Paris airport, and they put us on a bus. We walk out, we we walk out, we walk out, we we we we walk in, we scanner passes, they put you on the bus. The bus drove us to the other side of the airport where our plane was at.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:55

That's wild.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:55

So they don't have like an underground like tunneled or whatever to I yeah, like our plane was in like some back parking lot somewhere, like on the other side of the airport. Like, like all the terminals were full, I guess, apparently, all the all the all the good ones. And we got stuck with the we got stuck with the we got stuck with the plane in the back of the parking lot, like literally it was like a 15-minute bus ride to our plane. Like that's wild. Yeah, I was like, I was like, I never in my life have I boarded a bus at the airport to go to my plane like that after I've scanned my ticket already.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:21

Like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:22

Yeah, and yeah, and and I get like the smaller airports like Leon and Valencia, they're a little bit smaller airports. Um, those basically you walked from the terminal outside, and then you boarded your plane outside. Like there's smaller airports, which is understandable for smaller airports, but um for an airport at Paris for us to be bused to a giant airbus that's like you know 300 passengers. That's crazy. It took almost an hour to board the Tagir by that plane. Wow. Like like boarding started at like noon, and our plane departed at like one 115 or something like that. Like that's I was like I was like, this is this is wild. Like, like we had early boarding, so we were we were on the we were on the one of the first first couple buses, but I'm like, this is just crazy. Like but yeah, it was yeah, I yeah, like three or four times I think we had to walk outside and yeah. And then I think yeah, and I think Jessica must be on must be on the on some on some list somewhere because she got she got additional security at pretty much every stop we had.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:24

So yeah, I I remember seeing that. That's pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:27

I don't I don't I've never seen somebody get get extra attention as much as she did on this entire trip. Like like she got like she would we would go like we have like TSA pre-check, and so normally in in the US you can skip a lot of the security stuff and just walk for the Meli Tactor. Well, Chicago, they're like, Nope, you got randomly selected, you gotta go through the melee tractor. You got you gotta go through the the body scanner. So we go through the body scanner. We fly into Paris, we change planes in Paris, and they do an enhanced enhanced screen on her in Paris, too. I'm like, what the what's up with it? They did the whole swamp thing on her, like, do you have your powders and stuff? And then when we came back, I think the same thing happened when we came back. She got she got selected for additional security in Chicago as well. I think so Chicago just didn't like her completely at all.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:14

She yeah, it's how you know it's not a random selection.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:18

Yeah. And the thing, uh but the weird thing was in Chicago, we had we had to switch airports in Chicago too, which was oh yeah, which was annoying.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:25

But have you have you seen those shirts where it says uh what does it say? Uh it's okay if it's TSA. It's okay, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:33

Uh yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, four or five times she got she got selected for additional security of all of our flights. It was it was crazy. I'm like, I've never seen this happen somebody so many times. Like, you're on a watch list somewhere. Yeah, for sure. And here I was here with here, I was the one with these in my in my back. I'm the one with the they didn't even care about me at all. And she's the one getting she's the one getting getting the extra the extra pat downs and and getting swabbed and getting swabbed for explosives. Yeah, I just glad you didn't put it in her bag. Right? Like, oh man. But yeah, it was a good time.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:05

Yeah, though. Good though.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:07

Yeah, yeah. After that, yeah, I went and went to Tomorrowland. Um, fierce of you're familiar with the music festival. Um, that was that was a blast. That was yeah, yeah. It just but uh yeah, that was a good time. I mean, we went yeah, we went last year, went again this year. Yeah, it was it was a little bit mid share this year. I think they sold more tickets this year, and it was it was noticeable. Um it was it was it was crowded at times. Um we got lucky with snow. Um a ton of snow. There was probably so it was a week later this year than it was last year, and there was pro the snow base down low was double what it was last year. I think the snow snow base was like six or seven feet. Like you'd be on the list and the first four apartments you would be buried in snow, like you couldn't see them in the on the on in the resort area. But um Yeah, that was a lot of snow, and then it still snowed two or three days while we were there. Like it snowed for an entire 24-hour period, one of the days. I mean, we had almost probably I think almost a foot of snow, probably just the one over the just the one period while we were there. And wow, yeah, it's not it's not a lot, yeah. So we didn't we didn't get a whole lot of time to to ski just because uh we had some other activities planned and then the snow and the wind, and um they closed lifts a few times because of wind, and so um it was kind of a weird, weird experience this year. Um but overall, I mean we had we we had fun. I mean, we we we enjoy the the the music and um the the mountain community that it's in is a really really cool place. Like it'd be a cool place to go outside of the music festival just to go and hang out just to go like dri in the off season or something like that, just to kind of go to the it's a super cool, really, really nice, neat, neat, neat little mountain village. And so um yeah, it was great. It was it was cool. I mean yeah, we we we enjoyed EDM music and yeah and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean it was yeah, different different perspectives time. I mean, yeah. I mean, one of the one of the one of the stages I've got some guys, you know, doing some doing some coke off his hand behind me. I mean, it was yeah. Wow. See you see some weird stuff. You see some weird stuff sometimes, like like huh. That's exciting. You see smuggle that in, I say, but uh yeah, yeah. But uh yeah, you see see some interesting stuff from time to time, but uh yeah, overall, it's it's yeah, it's yeah, it's yeah, it's it's a good time. It's it's it's it it's fun. It it's really fun and um just to kind of see everybody, yeah. And and the crazy thing was we actually met a group of people there. We didn't know they were coming back the show. We met them last year. Um, we met them last year in Paris before we went down there on one of the excursions, and um, we didn't know they were coming back, and some of them were from the US. Uh, one of the nights we're we're sitting there at one of the one of the shows, and I looked over and and there they were. I'm like, Oh wow, I was like, what are the odds? And so it was cool. It was cool to kind of run it run into some familiar people that we had seen the year before and you know get to hang out, hang out with them for it for the night while we were there. But uh yeah, that was just kind of you know, out of 30,000 people, right? You happen to see, yeah. See the same group we've seen that you've seen last year. Yeah, it's crazy how you see the same people from night to night sometimes at some of the shows that just yeah, follow for show to show. But uh yeah, it can uh it's not one of those things that it's you gotta be okay with a lot of people packed into packed into small spaces.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:28

Yeah, EDM music has always intrigued me. Uh would love to see it come to the to the States more predominantly at like a festival, but um Yeah, I know they do some stuff in Vegas, I think.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:42

Yeah, so Vegas has ED yeah, EDC in Vegas, and then um this year happened tomorrow land overlapped this year with Ultra Miami. Okay. So we we lost, I think, a couple of artists that we would have that we had last year to all for the trick 'cause they 'cause they kind of they overlapped. So even Some of the artists like like Steve Haoki, he performed on like Thursday night and out, but then he had to be in Miami like Saturday. Wow. Because he performed in Miami as well. So that's crazy. Some of them, some of them did double duty. They performed earlier in Tomorrowland, and then they went, they went on the ultra-clay overlap this year. And so um kind of a little interesting tidbit is one of the days we rode the ski lift down from the stages. Um, and we were talking to this guy in the lifty, that's where we were from. We were from the US, he was from Colorado. Um, he happened to be there as a representative of Vale. And they were scoping out very cool. They were scoping out tomorrow land um to maybe potentially try to bid on the next contract.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:44

That would be really awesome.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:46

So um who knows? Uh Smartland, I think it's under contract for Alpha Hughes until 20 through like 2030, I think.

unknown 1:28:53

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:53

So another like three or four years they just signed a new contract last year, so um they're there for a few more years, but I think there's some there's some push, I think, to get it stateside.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:03

Yeah, potentially to bring it because Marland hasn't been in the states for a while. I mean, they it's been a long while. They did a couple years down in Georgia, down Atlanta. Um, they ran through some rain issues, um, and it's like that, and they just struggled. I think I think the rain, I think they lost the money because it's like a couple rain years and never came back. And so I think I don't know. I think there's a push to try to get it back here.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:27

Yeah. Do they just keep the same stage or do they rebuild it?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:32

So the main stage gets rebuilt every year. Okay. It's the same structure, right? It's uh basically the same. I think this year they made the structure bigger because they added more tickets. Okay. Um, the core stage outside the head that they have outside was the older version. Last year they had newer versions, they changed it up and they went back to an older one. Um the underground kind of warehouse style one, it's the same. Same kind of same, same they change, they changed some of the effects inside, but it's the same general kind of kind of concept. Okay. Um, the main stage is kind of the same concept, but the design changes the theme. Um, and then there's three mountain stages. Two of them are the same, and then the one mountain stage is different, was different this year. Um, so tomorrow line last year, the main stage burnt down.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:15

Right, yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:16

Yeah, so it was the orbit's theme, O R B-Y, the Orbitz theme, the lion. Um I don't know whether this was planned or before or after, but the mountain stage this year was the basically the main stage that never happened.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:30

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05 1:30:31

Yeah, it was a smaller version, right? It's a smaller version of the main stage that never really happened. So um, I don't know whether that was planned all along or if they did that because the one that burnt down. Yeah, but um, it just happened to be yeah, kind of the mountain stage stage that that never really happened that burnt.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:47

So that's interesting.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:48

That was the that was the really big mountain stage that they had this year that they that they had switched up. So yeah, they do change them from year to year, but I think you know, the couple of them kind of stay the same, you know. And so a lot of them, a lot of them stay the same, but they do they do they do re-theme it. Yeah, it's it's re-themed a little bit, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:04

So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:04

Um, but yeah, they they they redesigned the whole main festival grounds this year, and um, it was interesting. It was it wasn't the greatest setup this year. Um, I think they were trying something new. I'm not sure how well it worked. I mean they they they send out surveys every year, and um, I sent some feedback whether they yeah, I don't know how much that I'm sure they get tons and tons of feedback. And yeah, I know there was a lot of I know there was a lot of complaints, a lot of challenges this year. Um yeah, they're there's a Tomorrowland Discord out there that I'm in, and um there's a lot of people in their chat. And so I I I know there was uh there was a lot of issues this year, and so it'll be interesting to see what how they grow on what they did this year next year. Because there's definitely some opportunities for them, I think, to to improve some stuff. And so but yeah, I mean it's it's a big festival. I mean you can't make everybody happy. But yeah, I mean it's it's just just the way it is, right? Like you you know, they put on yeah, a good show with the artists and stuff. They they can get in there and yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's cool. I mean, you can you can catch some some secretive kind of pop-up things from here to from time to time as well. So um, but yeah, if you're in the EDM, I mean tomorrow land's a good a good a good event. Um yeah, yeah, they they're expanding to Thailand this year.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:16

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05 1:32:17

Yeah, so Thailand to December 26th is Thailand this year. So um I like to I'd I'd like to go to Thailand. I'm gonna let them work out. I'm gonna let them I'm gonna let them work the bugs out first. Um oh yeah. I I that will probably be our next our next tomorrow line will probably be Thailand. Okay. Um may not be this year or next year, but it'll probably be, yeah. I'm gonna let them work out. I'm I'm gonna let's let them work, work, work the bugs out, let them work some of the kinks out before I I don't want to be a guinea pig of the first year. Um yeah, yeah, I can I could yeah, but uh yeah, it's it's it's it's a cool event. Yeah, it's yeah, it's again. It's none of those we'll we'll we'll probably be back. I I don't know if we'll go back again tomorrow uh next year or not, but uh definitely we'll we'll do the we'll do the winter stuff again. I mean it's it's a vacation. I mean it's not just music, right? Like you can like if you're a skier, even if you're not a skier, if you even if you don't ski at all, it's still a a good time because a lot of things you can do without skiing.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:13

We went we went, we went, we went snowshoeing, we went mountain biking in the snow, like they have mountain carts, they have a mountain coaster, like they have sledding, like you don't have to ski to go and enjoy the winter one. I mean, it's there's so much. And I mean, if you really want to listen to music from noon until 1 a.m., I mean, you certainly can. Like you can you can listen to music for 13, 14 hours a day if you really want to. Wow. Um, but again, I mean, you need some breaks, right? Like, like we like we went back and we took naps uh before the before we got for the night just because I mean we'd spent a whole week of Valencia where we were, you know, trying to get trying to sleep and right back up to another one where you know your your shows are every night going until 1 a.m. Yeah, you get back anytime you get to bed, it's two o'clock, and yeah. Then we're up for snowshoeing because it's gonna be a snowshoe at 9 a.m. in the morning or mountain bike at nine o'clock in the morning, right? Like, yeah, so yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:08

Yeah, it sounds like a great time.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:10

Yeah. But yeah, I mean, yeah, if you guys are interested in in some fireworks stuff, yeah. Las Fayas is is a is a is a good one. Um I'd like to go to Malta too at some point. Yeah, I mean you know, Japan's got some good stuff. I mean, there's there's there's some other good festivals out there, uh yeah, but um yeah, I I would yeah, I would put Las Fayas on on your lists if you're into if you're if you're really into that kind of stuff, because it's it's definitely worth it. It's it's more than just fireworks. It's really that's more that it's more than just just fireworks. The fireworks are are kind of are are are fun and it's cool, but there's a whole other piece of it that yeah, to go and experience the whole cultural side.

unknown 1:34:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:51

I think that would be the the most fun is like experiencing the culture, uh the food for me is yeah, that'd be a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:58

And yeah, you're all about the food, we know that. Oh, yeah, I know. I mean, I did you post fireworks pictures at all while you were in L. No, you didn't. You did. You just posting your food.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:09

Yeah, you just I let I let the videos I leave that to the professionals. Fire Caddy as we speak is literally uploading videos.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:18

Are you leaving to Ellery who Ellery who gets tricked by Tim Jameson?

SPEAKER_06 1:35:22

Yeah, yeah. So we can get tricked again. He got tricked again, yeah. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:28

If you want if you watch Ellery's show, we we missed the opening of Tim Jameson's show because we missed the other the last song. We missed the beginning of it because it in Discord. He was like, That day T Tim Jameson got me again. Like I didn't even see that. You didn't want a more uh you didn't learn, Allery. You didn't learn. Uh leave that camera rolling just a little bit longer, man. Just a little bit longer.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:55

I mean, what's it gonna hurt if you just let it roll?

SPEAKER_05 1:35:57

If you just let it roll a little bit longer. You gotta learn by now. I mean, he'd be he be he I know, yeah. I mean, he better he better learn for some future shows. Let that camera roll a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:06

Like see, that's what you should shoot. That's what you should mix it up and be like, it's Sky Wars, like make him think you're done, and then wait like 10 seconds and be like, gotcha, Ellery, and then restart the next track.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:20

I'm gonna play the L the L the Ellery Ellery AI song in our Discord today. That's the Ellery AI song. That was funny. That that'll that'll be our finale. We'll have a fake finale and then we'll play that for the finale just for Ellery.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:31

Yeah. Did you see that uh uh AJ created a AI song for Craigko? Oh yeah? At at Ellevate. Yeah, you should watch that one. That was good.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:41

Oh, so that was an AI song?

SPEAKER_06 1:36:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:46

Interesting. Yeah, that's it was good.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:49

Yeah. It was it was interesting for what it was. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:54

Does AI give you emotion though?

SPEAKER_06 1:36:57

I don't know. It's an Ellery. That's that's Ellery's problem.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:00

That's an Ellery question. Should we ask Allery? We should ask Ellery. Phone phone Ellery. Right. Does does AI does AI songs bring emotion to put to your show? Uh that's funny. But now now that I've talked to you now that I've talked to you guys for the last like 45 minutes. This is just a Donny episode. This is just the Donny episode. That's all I thought you guys got, was me talking to her.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:30

I mean, I talked for 30 more than 30 minutes before you.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:33

Yeah, yeah, a little bit, yeah. But uh this is my episode 11, I think. Yeah. Yeah, this is we gotta we got a few more lined up.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:43

I've got a few more planned, I think, still, but uh yeah, yeah, we gotta talk after this on how we want to go from here. Got got some pretty epic stuff lined up.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:52

Try to get get through uh the month of April here and into May a little bit before we kind of shut down for the season.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:58

Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get busy. I know demos are starting to pick up. Um trainings are kicking off, they're going pretty strong.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:08

Um yeah. I mean, there's enough product in the country. Well, I say that. For now. There could always be more. There could always be more. I could always but um yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:26

Yeah, I know uh the what here a couple weeks we got the spirit of the series six, the versus shooting their demo coming up.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:32

And yeah, that's coming up here pretty quick.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:34

Um yeah, so that's that's going on. And uh well, that weekend usually everybody has a demo. Yeah, yeah. Except for you guys, right? You guys you guys skip that weekend.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:42

Yeah, we we do the second. Yeah, May 2nd. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, play it smart. Play it smart. Right in between right in between everybody else's demo and right before Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:53

Yeah. So everybody's Jones them for another week in the fireworks. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. You're like, oh good demos. All right, another demo. Yeah, watch more demos, yeah. We haven't seen if we haven't seen that same effect 10 times already. Hey, you know what? You obviously haven't been to NFA before.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:15

Same red comet 15 times. You might see the same red comment from the same demo 15 times. Same brand. Same brand, same out of the same factory, probably the same line and time.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:29

This by this by this by different different different vendors. Yeah. But uh, yeah, yeah, uh some good stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:37

Yeah. Out of it, we need uh thank our sponsors.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:42

Um we have some sponsors, don't we?

SPEAKER_06 1:39:44

CJ? Yeah, we do. Man, that's been crazy. CJ at Muxboard. Uh seeing you this weekend was a great time hanging out with you. Um, I know he got I think he got uh a lot of traction. His booth is is awesome, looks really good.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:00

I mean, I see I see a lot a lot of stuff out there on on Facebook and stuff. There's a lot of pictures of some Muxboard products that were running around and stuff. So really cool.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:10

Yeah, he's doing some custom branding, uh, some boards, so might have to have a conversation, DJ.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:18

Some some some Pyro unleashed.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:20

Yeah, some pyro unleashed boards.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:24

Yeah. Oh yeah. And we got Fire Tech, Fire Tech, Fire Tech, official sponsors, official fire system of the Yeah, we do.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:37

We appreciate uh appreciate Fire Tech for jumping on board this season.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:41

Um the KCAP show is the KCAP show with the versus shoot will be shot with Fire Tech. So Okay. Alright. If you're out there and you wanna see a Fire Tech show, yeah. Like I mentioned at Lost Fias. I just went and seen one of the mascotes just because the guy was shooting fire tech.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:57

So you know what? That's that's what it's all about.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:02

Um you'll see a Skyward show with Fire Tech? Will we? No, I'm just kidding. We will. We absolutely absolutely uh can guarantee that one for you.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:13

That's the one thing I do know about my show at this point.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:16

You don't know anything else about it?

SPEAKER_05 1:41:17

I don't know, I don't know anything else right now. I don't yeah, I don't I won't know anything else until until Thursday this week. So I'll know more. I'll know more on Thursday. Uh I put put put my team on I put my team on notice.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:31

Uh what I think uh PGI being back with us again for this season. Um if you're not a member.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:39

Sorry, sorry sorry that we that sorry that we hated on your on your on your on your product.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:43

I don't know. I don't think we really hated on it. I just think it was constructive criticism.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:47

Yeah, I I think there's a lot of questions. We just have a lot, we just just questions.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh if you want to become a member, go to PGI.org. Um be sure to get to this year's convention. Um August 8th through the 14th. Um you'll be there. I will be there. Hopefully you're doing a show, so yeah, should be a right audio track this time.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:13

Um I won't be there to hold your hand again. I mean, I if I'm not there to hold your hand, you have audio track issues. So what what what I do you got? I gotta come in just to hold your hand so you make sure you're gonna show you. Yeah, that'd be great.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:23

Yeah, I mean, rumor has it you might show up on the 14th.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:26

I show up on the 14th. Probably not. I think I think I have that on my calendar, the Skywards prep day. Oh, do you? It's a Friday. Oh, I okay, well, I yeah, this it's the 15th then. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. But be prepping every day at that point.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:43

Yeah. Uh and then once again, uh Winda and T Sky, Winda Fireworks, uh, T Sky Fireworks. Um ask your local wholesaler to uh carry Winda and T Sky products, or come to your favorite brand and your favorite company and you already have them. So wonder who that is. T Sky's good stuff. I will. T Sky is good stuff. I I mean, uh yeah, I you know, I I shot some single stuff um to demo it. And you know, you see videos of it, right? And and you want to make sure that your quality is good because some of the videos are a couple years out, uh, some were seven.

unknown 1:43:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:21

Um you know, T Sky's been around forever, right? And and you want to make sure that the quality and the standard is up to par. So we shot stuff. Um, I was shooting stuff, you know, straight up, shooting at like a 45 to see what gravity was doing at both angles. Yeah. Um, also checking to see if you know die out times and everything were consistent, quality of effect. Um, you know, quick, quick testing there. Everything seemed to be just absolutely spot on. Um and then, you know, we shot we shot the anthem on Saturday night and it just reconfirmed like they're up there, they're one of the best. I mean they're they're just the quality of product that T Sky is producing is is bar none. Um and yeah, uh really unique effects too. Like, yeah. So be sure to check out um check out T Sky products. It's it's really good.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:22

Yeah, ask ask your wholesaler.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:24

Ask ask your favorite wholesaler. Um if you want to see videos, we have a favorite YouTuber called Doctor Popyro. He has a lot of videos out, so that might give you a suggestion who your favorite wholesaler is.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:39

Uh but well, what uh yeah, that about wrap things up. Good. Yeah. Just to hang out, like we haven't even talked. We don't even barely like once a week. Like, hey, how's it going? A few messages here and there just to kind of check in and see how things are. But yeah, we didn't actually get a chance to really talk much. So it's been nice just to kind of catch up and for sure. See your see your your your baby face again.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:07

And it's season.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:10

I mean, I'm homeless again. You got I mean, yeah, I mean, oh, you got like a like a six-month growth going there. Yeah, it uh sure, we'll go with that.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:19

It might have been more like nine, but sure. Like nine. But uh yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:25

So no, yeah, we're gonna get a couple guests lined up here to kind of wrap our season up. And um probably gonna do one more listener episode, I think, as well. Coming up this coming up here towards the end there, and probably uh early May. Yeah. So be on the lookout in Discord for some details on that. Yeah, want to get some fresh people. Need new people. Need some new people. Like, I I I love the KCAP people, but come on, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:49

Like, yeah, gotta get some other people.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:51

I know we got other people that listen to our show.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:52

Like I will tell you, um, for those of you that listen and were at uh the class I taught, thank you for coming. Um Aron Leach got uh I don't know, probably half of the viewership time. So it's cool to play some video from the podcast and um yeah, really put that out there and yeah, really again appreciate the uh the viewership. Uh appreciate you guys tuning in every week. Uh I know obviously we've been kind of a little bit lax the last seven weeks, but uh you know, lives happen, right? Um back. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:35

So you can only be a podcast if you actually record a podcast, right? Well, you know, uh rumor has it. Rumor has it. Rumor has it. And again, guys, thanks again for listening and and uh being out there and tuning in, and uh we will catch you all next time. And in the meantime, go out there and unleash your inner pyro with us.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:00

This has been another episode of Pyro Unleash. Come back each week for more industry insights, technical tips, and awesome pyro design. Have fun out there, be a little. And as always, remember to unleak your inner pyro with uh