S4E12: What is your scripting style?

This week Donnie and David delve into their scripting preferences, exploring various styles of scripting pyromusical and their inspirations in the pyromusical world.

Do you prefer scripting on the beat or vocals?
What type of scripting style are you?
What effect gives you fatigue?
Have you evolved as a show scripter?

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SPEAKER_07 0:00

That would be very intriguing.

SPEAKER_06 0:01

So we just tell AI do you just fire the cues live and here's all the product.

SPEAKER_07 0:07

Yeah, just put the product. You figure out how to shoot the show, yeah, and pick pick the uh the music and the the script based off of effects.

SPEAKER_06 0:18

Do all live and how the crowd reacts, right?

SPEAKER_07 0:21

It's an interesting concept.

SPEAKER_06 0:23

It's gonna load all the two tubes and load all the cakes out there and tell the eye how everything's landed and tell it to script, sell it script it for script it live.

SPEAKER_07 0:31

I don't know. I'm I'm I know many people don't really agree, but I I'm I'm intrigued to see like a pyromusical competition where it's you're trying to see who's paying more or what scripting software is working better for your for your show.

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SPEAKER_07 3:03

Key talking points. Effect selection. What defines a signature style? Effect selection, structure, transition, and timing choices. Use of silence and restraint. What is the? I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_06 3:19

Silence and restraint? Well, restraint. Well, restraint is just like holding like control yourself and not. Oh, I know. Not like sky peeked all things, but you can't do that. You have you have no restraint, do you? What's restraint? Yeah. Finding your identity.

SPEAKER_07 3:37

I mean, I mean, you're like, well, I was gonna say you're like one of the only ones to know that, but uh finding your identity. What kind of shows do you enjoy watching? Do you lean towards musical precision or raw energy? Identifying patterns in your past shows, which is funny because I do look back at some of my shows, right? And I I tend to use a lot more beat drops and a lot more beats to script to versus vocals. But I do think that there is a healthy medium between using both.

SPEAKER_06 4:12

And then I use I I use a lot I use a lot a lot of vocals as well. I mean, I it's probably a 50-50. Yeah. I did both ways. I mix I mix it up a lot, you know, where depending on how they say a word or sing a word, right? You yeah, like a lot of cliches. Yeah, if they draw out the sound of like a like a word, you you sweep across the field, right? That's based off of off of voice, and not really the beat, really, in those cases, a lot of times.

SPEAKER_07 4:35

Yeah, like I was scripting uh one of the show songs for PGI, and at the end it's kind of like this, and I like I think I hit three eight-inch strobing shells at the end to like kind of give that like the stutter. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 4:52

So it'd be interesting to see to have the give AI all of your YouTube, all of the videos of your the shows you've shot on YouTube, and have it go through and find out like those patterns or those tendencies that you do to see if it can identify shooting style or or type of of show scripter that you are based off of your history of shows. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 5:16

Be like, hey, here's a link of all of my show all of my shows, go through, analyze them all, and and so uh what do you think are key points in determining who you are as a show designer? So like that's it's it uh somebody who typically does huge runs, is it somebody who sticks to higher beats? Is it lyrics? I mean, are these are these key points? Like you you sit there, okay. There's a book on um the five love languages, right? So let's put that into fireworks. The five pyro scripting languages, like I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 5:55

I just it's kind of weird to think about, but no, no, it's definitely, yeah. I mean, I think yeah, people do have tendencies or patterns on on their song choices, right? Like I think a lot can say the type of scripture you are based on your song choices. Like, yeah, are you always picking high-energy songs? Yeah, where you're always doing rapid fire sequences and a lot of upbeat stuff, or are you leaning more towards slower paced songs where you're doing a little bit more methodical stuff, showcasing the quality of the product versus the quantity of product? And I think you get a lot where I think people will go down one track or the other and maybe not blend the two enough. Being able to blend, I think, like the fast speed and the slow speed together, I think is yeah, is something that's extremely important. I think when you're trying to put together a good power of musical, especially in competition. Like being able to showcase different different styles, I think is while still keeping the the energy of the crowd up, right?

SPEAKER_07 6:55

That's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:57

But yeah, I mean definitely um pe people have people have styles, and then you can you can watch their shows and see the style and type of person they're shooting. Yeah, and yeah, I mean you can see how people evolve too. I mean, you can watch people's videos. I mean you can probably watch watch my my videos from my shows and see how I've evolved over over time from somebody who just done a bunch of stuff to more maybe more methodical, more slower stuff now? Yeah, to where you're showcasing things more versus just throwing a bunch of product out?

SPEAKER_07 7:30

Yeah. So do you do you have like certain designers that you I s I would say look up to and kind of base some of your effect, like some of your design off of because you you want to replicate that, or is it kind of like you just do your own thing?

SPEAKER_06 7:51

It's yeah, I kind of do my own thing. I try not to I try I try not to want to pull ideas from other shows. I don't I don't know. That's just how the way I I am. Like I see something in a show, I'm like, no, that's really cool. I would love to be able to use that in a show, but then I'm like, well, I would rather just kind of like create my own thing, right? Or do it my own way versus you know, kind of the the cookie cutter, let's copy effects from from show to show. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, right? Absolutely nothing wrong with I think using bits and pieces that other people have done, because I mean that's that's how we've all evolved, right? Is you see something done one way, then everybody starts to do it that way, and then it slowly kind of, you know, you try to do it one step better than the version you saw, maybe even, right? So yeah, and then that's what you I think you see a lot too. But I don't know. I tend to try to just do my own thing and not worry about what I've seen or what I've done, or I don't know, I know it's it's it's an interesting question, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:47

Yeah, I I will tell you, I mean, looking back at shows that I've done, I I I tend to watch a lot of you know, I'll I'll name drop, right? I I like to watch a lot of Tim Jameson shows, uh Ricardo from Recasa. Like I I like those styles of show. Um you know, even um Peter Rogos from 76. Like I I like a lot of what they do. Um and I guess I kind of not necessarily just do copy and paste. I like to put my old twist to it, yeah, but I like to pull a lot of the energy and a lot of the um concepts and thought process from from some of their shows.

SPEAKER_06 9:30

Yeah, I I I I I know, yeah, Tim James is a big one. I know I've I've watched a lot of his shows multiple times just because yeah, yeah, I I think like the music choices resonate well with with with me and the type of music I I like to shoot with. And so um I think I tried to like look and see how he might have you know orchestrated a certain run during a certain certain style of music or something like that, you know, and maybe try to see how that might play into you know, maybe a similar segment of music that I might be using from a different song, right? Or how I can maybe incorporate some stuff. But yeah, I think you know, Tim's up there is one that yeah, I've probably watched his shows multiple multiple times as well, because it's just yeah, it's always some crazy stuff he does. Like he always does a crazy call. You don't see Tim copying effects from other people either. Like you see Tim creating his own his own things, like yeah, every show he does, he's got something new in there, I think. Like that you haven't seen somewhere else, and it's it's really cool to see the creativity that he's able to pull together after show after show after show, and still they're all they're all unique. Yeah, yeah. How do you feel about like when you if you reshoot the same song a second time? Like, are you going through and and very like worried about it looking the same, or are you like really working hard to make it make it 100% different?

SPEAKER_07 10:46

It's funny you say that. So, and I think I've expressed this to you. So um the anthem I shot at Elevate, I know that I'm using that at two other locations this year, and I've never done that. So I guess I used Elevate's platform as a test subject, obviously errors and such, and you can go back to the last episode and get all the the deep uh you know, in you know uh whatever on that, but uh you know, watching back with the correct audio track, if I had the same product over again, I would shoot that same show twice, three times because I like the way that it looked. But again, going back to conversations we've had before, you know, you look at Ricardo from Ricasa, and he'll shoot the same song at different events and script it differently to see how the crowd interacts with it, and then he'll take the best of all those interactions and compete with that version. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I again I I don't I mean, I guess I've we shot uh yeah, I mean the closing show at CobraCon last year, yeah, and I did use a couple again, and I did them completely different. Yeah, but again, I think it's like you said, it's it's an evolution of who I've become as a scriptor and as a designer that I want to make it different than I did before.

SPEAKER_06 12:27

Yeah, and I like that's a big way to see how well you evolved as a scripper, right? Like, like can you take the same song you shot five years ago, put it on the on the put in finale and start scripting it, will it be the same? Will it be different?

SPEAKER_07 12:40

Like it would be 100% different.

SPEAKER_06 12:42

Like that tells you how much you've evolved, I think, as as as a as a scriptor. Like, you know, if you've designed it and it looks the same or similar to how you did it before, you know, you know, you you've kind of stuck to your roots, probably the same. But if you design a second time and you're really, really hard pressed about wanting it differently, then I think that just shows the evolution of of the type of shows you want to you want to do.

SPEAKER_07 13:04

Yeah, I mean, how about you? Have you have you shot the same song more than once?

SPEAKER_06 13:07

And um, I have I mean, I I probably have. I mean, I've done a lot of shows, I try to do stuff, I try to do them differently. I don't like using the same song again, but yeah. I mean, like I said, I I've done done paid shows where you shoot the same show at multiple locations and you just yeah, you script it one time and you just go out, you just shoot it because it's a different audience, nobody's ever gonna see it. Like, yeah, like they don't they they don't have no idea you just shot the same show last night. Like exactly they don't know, right? And it's just a paid show. But I mean, competition wise, I don't or even in like a club shoot, I don't even think I'd probably have ever used the same song twice. I don't, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 13:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:44

Always try to find new songs, but there have been people I know in KCAT that have shot the same same song more than once, and they absolutely love doing that, and they love going through and rescripting it and and trying to make it different, like it's so it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 13:59

And I I think we've brought this up before. What are your thoughts on say taking three different designers, giving them the exact same song, and design it differently I think it'd be perfect, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:10

I think it'd be yeah, like sure. It should have been the battle in the sky this year at PGI. That would have been pretty cool. It should have been the same soundtrack.

SPEAKER_07 14:19

Like I yeah, I wonder I man, now I'm gonna think that over because like that would be very cool. Like that'd be really cool to see that come to life. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 14:32

I just I mean, I work we're gonna have we're gonna be able to talk to Rob here in a couple weeks and maybe we're gonna rob produced a blind pyro where he gets all of them using the same soundtrack. That'd be interesting.

SPEAKER_07 14:44

Speaking of, uh I was just talking to somebody and uh it sounds like the unlimited is maybe not happening this year. I don't know. That's that's that's rumor. Rumor has it. Rumor has it. So yeah, that yeah, they're little trying to make some field space, I think. Yeah, little Skywars uh tidbit there. Um yeah, we'll see.

SPEAKER_06 15:05

I believe it'll be the the three pro ams, three pro shows, drones, I believe as well, probably. Okay, yeah, obviously national anthem, but lasers and such, yeah. I would imagine so, yeah. I haven't really, I mean, I haven't heard much, and yeah, I'm shooting a show there and I still have all the details on the I need to be. Me and Mick have conversations where like, yeah, we don't know all the details yet, but yeah, yeah. Um, I mean, we're still full speed ahead on scripting. So I mean it's yeah, we'll make adjustments if we have to, yeah. Like it is what it is, but um, yeah.

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SPEAKER_07 15:59

So back to back to this whole talking points from a figuring out, yeah. Well, can if you watch a show, can you guess the shooter by the scripting style?

SPEAKER_06 16:14

Yeah, that might be tough. Yeah, that might be tough. I probably don't watch enough shows for that.

SPEAKER_07 16:20

Okay. Do you think if somebody has watched the last three shows that you shot back to back, would they know who would they know that they were your shows?

SPEAKER_06 16:28

Oh, that's crazy. I don't know that either. Yeah. That's one of those things, right? You keep things different than people you don't know who's in the show, right?

SPEAKER_07 16:37

I guess I mean, yeah, I mean But that being said, I know that I'm gonna put things in the city shows that I'm doing as test runs and test product to make sure that that run is gonna work for a different show later.

SPEAKER_06 16:59

Yeah, you know, like all your city shows put together, then yeah, then you're finally might be able to make that connection.

SPEAKER_07 17:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 17:05

So I've seen enough people, I've seen enough people in K-cap shit shows. I I could probably watch a show blindly, and I could probably pick out the K-capper who shot it, probably.

SPEAKER_07 17:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 17:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:16

I don't know, just uh just a couple more things I was looking at here.

SPEAKER_06 17:19

Oh no, one of the things that we kind of brought up a little bit ago was the whole scripting kind of thing was the effect fatigue. Effect fatigue. What does that mean to you? Well, I mean, to me, that just means you've as an audience member, right? You've seen or judge or whatever, you've seen the same effect so many times, you just kind of become numb to it essentially, or you just like, you know, it's like you know, it just becomes you know average at that point, right? Like the first time somebody does something, you see it, it's cool, but then if they've done it six times in the show, by the time you see it the sixth time, it just seems maybe too much, overplayed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:56

Well, it was almost that way at Western Winter Blast. Uh, the closing show used lightning shells in more than one spot. And it was like, okay, the first time it's like really epic, and then the second time it's like, all right, that's really cool. I'm glad you did that again. And then by like the third or fourth time, you're like, Well, I really like that effect. I mean, I know how much money you're putting in the sky. Like, I don't know, yeah, but like, yeah, agreed.

SPEAKER_06 18:22

And then I think that I think the biggest thing comes you because you a lot, I mean, you do you get songs that are that are repetitive, right? And I get yeah, when you script them, you get your sequence down that on that first time, and you know you're gonna, yeah, but what I think a lot of people get in the habit of is copy and paste. Yeah, I'm gonna copy and paste this run every time this happens in this song, and by the time you get to that third, fourth time or whatever, at that point, it's it's a little bit so much, right? Like you've done it too many times at that point for it to really hit the same.

SPEAKER_07 18:53

So something I have always been very mindful of is as a viewer of a show, I try and do things in threes. So like I try, like as a as a human, you you see things in threes easier. That being said, if you have a chorus three different times, sure, you can do the first one the same as a second one, but by the third time, your crowd's expecting it. So don't do it the same. Don't do it the same, yeah. That's and it keeps it keeps your crowd coming back and going, oh, what's he gonna do differently this time?

SPEAKER_06 19:31

Keeps them engaged, right? Keeps them engaged into the show more and and and it draws them in because now they know what's coming, but they don't know what's coming, right? Like exactly, yeah, they're they're expecting to see something that doesn't really happen, and and yeah, just as long as what you do to replace it better be better than you did the first two times. Exactly. Yeah, or you are you're gonna let them down.

SPEAKER_07 19:50

And it's funny you say that because I will get into like scripting a show, and I'm like, oh, that's a really cool run the first time, and I'm gonna do that again the second, and then I watch the third, and I'm like, but I use like a third of the product in this last you know, the third time. So, you know, you you try and figure out how to mix it up, but yeah, it's it's and it's uh yeah. I mean, even um you know, like affects over the years how things become popular and then they just become worn out and mundane because you've seen it. Like I love yeah, smiley faces, right? Uh I love a good Nishiki or gold crown brocade finale.

unknown 20:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 20:39

What's the new thing, right? Because as much as I love it, and I'll probably continue to do it several times, uh it it's becoming well, okay. I know what their finale is gonna look like now.

unknown 20:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:54

So so what so okay, so let's so this will be this will be a good one. So what smoke scenes. Yep, right, exactly. Like like where like where are we at in that timeline of smoke scene? Are we to a point now where it's it's worn out, it's kind of welcome and it's surprise, and now you just expect to see that in every big show, or well, and it's yeah, so and again, I I'm not trying to hold myself up to a higher standard, right?

SPEAKER_07 21:17

But I I did one of the bigger the first bigger smoke scenes in the US, right? At PGI. And then with Pyromax, I did the second one for uh yeah, like a PyroMax at NFA. Yeah, so I had two what I felt like extremely epic moments uh in smoke, and then you go to um Skywars and Mickrit does it again. And and I'm not bashing that he did it. No, it it looked really, really good. And so the first exactly, it was very emotional. Um I mean, I okay, well, let's go down. This avenue before I finish that. Do you think that Smokesteam would have been as good if that halo wasn't in there? And again, it's not a bad thing for them.

SPEAKER_06 22:08

I didn't even see the halo until until the recordings afterwards. Oh, really? Okay. I thought it was good before I did that even was even there. I thought it was one of the benefits.

SPEAKER_07 22:16

I did too. I just watching it in person and seeing the halo, it it drew out a different like emotion because of the song choice, right? So I will say I think that was probably the best smoke scene I've seen. And again, that's coming from me saying, look, I have shot two very large smoke scene shows. So yes, I think they're gonna get overused um if they're not already.

SPEAKER_06 22:49

I mean, I mean the the amount of a smoke stuff now in consumer market is oh it's in the pro in the pro line market too is is just it's crazy the amount of amount of smoke product out there.

SPEAKER_07 23:00

Well we were debating that the other day, like um at at the at Wisely, like we were like, well, do we do a smoke scene or do we not for PGI? Like, you know, we're not gonna do sales, but if we do like a wall of smoke for something and then strobe it or or whatnot, like it's different, but it's not like yeah, yeah. So yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 23:28

I yeah, yeah, no, no, it's definitely it's definitely interesting. And you know, I mean, I I mean I'm I'm over I mean I thought it was cool the first few times, right? And yeah, and last year I think it was cool, and you know, people keep asking me, you're gonna do a smoke scene in Sky Wars, and I'm like, probably not. Like, yeah, I it's just not I think it's cool, it's cool as a novelty thing, but you know, and I just not super you know just it's not gonna have the same impact now. Yeah, it's not, no, because the more and the more times you use something, right? The more the less, you know, the less people kind of you are gonna are gonna enjoy it or feel it. And um thing now that the point is, you know, where's that cutoff between where you you start to bail on the smoke and you start to look for something else? Like yeah, yeah, you don't want to get left holding the bag with all the smoke.

SPEAKER_07 24:12

Yeah. Well yeah, and it I think really it boils down to what's the next big effect in the industry. Um what's the next uh scene that you can create, the next you know, one second wow factor. And and again, I'm not saying take away from that because in the grand scheme of things, like let's go to let's take YouTube for example, right? It could be the dumbest video and it has all these views, and you go, why is it have all these views? Well, somewhere in there, it had an emotional impact, good or bad, right, for at least one second. I mean, so don't let your creativity like don't stop your creativity because you never know when you're gonna have that one second moment shooting a pyromusical.

SPEAKER_06 25:03

Yeah, and and I I think that I would come like I like the effects like evolving, like I think the pyro printing has kind of evolved a little bit because it has. Because we would do it a lot where you would do it from multiple positions, and now you see people doing it from a single position. Yep. Like like Hotter did like the hearts from a single position, right? Like you see a lot of now people trying to do these from single position shows and and evolve that from you know the whole field being now to just a single position and you know, and doing you know, power printing off of towers or wheels, or I mean stuff like that. You know, I mean you can see some of that stuff out there in videos and how that has kind of evolved a little bit to kind of you know create it where it's still not you know, it's not expected, right? It's still different.

SPEAKER_07 25:45

Yeah. Yeah, uh, it's you know, uh what what do you think this year's fatigued effect might be? I don't know. Red, white, and blue. Red, white, you're 100%.

SPEAKER_06 25:58

Yeah, you're probably not wrong. Red, white, and red blue. Red, white, and blue will be uh will be out of style by the by the time uh yeah, so yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm on I'm avoiding red, white, and blue at all costs for Skyward filming. I feel like I don't want any red, water, blue. That's a lie, but um they'll they won't be mixed together, they won't be mixed together.

SPEAKER_07 26:20

Uh let's see. Yeah. What are your thoughts on like timing drift in a meat pyramusical? Like, God just drives me nuts, man.

SPEAKER_06 26:34

Uh well, I mean, that's that's that's just that that's just port simpy. That's that's just your additional port of symptom. That's your your whatever system you're using, that's that's a problem there. Yeah, yeah. Um, I mean, we had we had that happen in 2023 with our show with our Skywater show. I mean, there was a little bit of it was weird. It would drift a little bit and they would catch back up, drift a little bit, catch back up, drift a little bit, catch back up. And yeah, I blame all that on just on just the water and everything being wet.

SPEAKER_07 26:58

Yeah, yeah. Do you how do you tend to design so obviously post-music selection, right? So what is your process for designing a musical? Like, do you go and just do all sorts of key points where you're like, oh, I know I want this here, want this there, and then backfill. Do you start at the beginning, work all the way through? Do you start at the finale, and then kind of backtrack and fit?

SPEAKER_06 27:24

Like, what's your what's your process? Um, I listen to it about 40 times probably before I even before I even think about starting the script, right? Like, yeah, I listen to the I listen to the soundtrack, I don't know, probably 15 or 20 times before I even start scripting, just to kind of visualize in my head some scenes that I want to create or some particular feeling or some emotion I want, I want I want to convey. Yeah. Um, I kind of get those in my head, and then when I sit down to actually start scripting, I'll go to those points first, right? And I'll be like, okay, these are these are key things that are the most important piece of the show for me. Like I want these to be be perfect, and I will work on those first because so much of the other stuff can sometimes be filler. So that's essentially so that's what happens, especially. I mean, especially if we do not do a paid show or or my or even my own personal shows, right? Like I'll script out a lot of the I'll script my my my most important pieces, and I'll go through and get like some of the single shots and maybe some of the flames and strobes, and then I'll look at the timeline and see if I've got these these gaps here, here, and here. Okay, I need some 30-second cakes, right? To fill in. That's all I really care about. I just want some cakes to fill in the spot, right? I'll go and see what I've got and toss in some cakes that will magically fit the timeline that I need to fit, you know, 30 seconds or 25 seconds, or or stuff like that. Because most of the time it's just filler sometimes, you know.

SPEAKER_07 28:43

Yeah, it is, yeah. Well, and it's it's funny because like that's kind of how I have been, but especially with PGI this year, I've been trying to um script with um more of an intent or a reason for the color combinations I'm doing, or trying to be more mind uh more cautious, I guess, to color schemes as opposed to just throwing paint at a wall and hoping it looks right, I guess, right? So um I don't know. I've been trying to test some different philosophies while I script. Um I guess I'm just I don't know, just trying something different, I guess, this time.

SPEAKER_06 29:35

No, absolutely, no, yeah, and I think that's I mean, I think that's important, right? Like the important as a scriptor is to you want to branch out, challenge yourself, right? Let's like do it a way different, different math, a different style. Yeah. Um, you know, trying to push your push you outside of your box, I think is why he wants to put it. I mean, if you have the ability to sit there and force yourself to work outside of how you would normally work, I think that's just gonna help you grow as a as a as a scriptor and a and a designer.

SPEAKER_07 30:03

Yeah, yeah, like um, yeah, just trying to, I guess, yeah, keep you know, color palettes like close. Um and sure, you're gonna have some areas where you just can't make that happen. You're gonna have a random color that just I mean, if China produced every color combination in the world, sure, that'd be awesome, but it's super unrealistic. Like it I mean, it's not a thing.

SPEAKER_06 30:29

China doesn't always label things right color.

SPEAKER_07 30:31

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 30:32

Yeah, I mean, I I I I was I was watching I think the Cobra Con, I think it's watching the Tim Jameson show at CobraCon. I noticed several times there was a comet that was a different color. Yeah. And all they were always on the one side, and I was like, China probably mislabeled it, probably. That's probably how it came, right?

SPEAKER_07 30:47

Like, and it's funny because you understand that like when you're pulling product, you're going down from position say one through 17 or whatever. You're pulling out of this case for this, and then two, and then three, and then four, and like you get down to like 14, 15, and you might be on the last case, and that might be a completely different product. Yeah, yeah. So it it is intriguing to yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:11

Yeah, because I mean I mean they they mess up, they put a red label on a blue comet, or they put yeah, yeah. I mean, it it happens, or yeah, yeah. When they're when they're filling up a case, they might be like, Oh, we're short, we're short one red. There's lots of blue in here, they'll never notice.

SPEAKER_07 31:24

Yeah, yeah. Do you think so? Do you think shooters rely too much on product and not design?

SPEAKER_06 31:32

That's a tough one. I mean, that's I mean, a lot of times sometimes you need product to fit your design. Like, oh yeah, yeah. I mean, there's a lot of times you can just use whatever color is available. Like I I I will script a lot of times with I'll put like just red comet and everywhere in my show because I might not really care what the comet color is. Okay. Yeah, I might just script a hundred red comments and be like, well, whatever I have in red is red, and the rest of them are gonna be whatever color I had I don't have, right? Like it's not important, right? Like, like sometimes that's just the way it is. Like, I don't really care what the color is, it's just the artistry part of that, right? Is is what's there. The colors is kind of but that can also too make your show look sloppy, right? Like, yeah, yeah. So I think you gotta kind of balance, I think, a little bit there between the RTC and and the and the colors or the availability of product, because I mean, yeah, and sometimes you're stuck scripting with what you have. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I have one red and three blues, like what am I gonna do? Like I can't I can't shoot two reds and two blues at once, so I gotta make this look somewhat normal.

SPEAKER_07 32:34

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, uh yeah, you say that and like okay, let's get back to Chat GPT, because I mean, or AI, right? Like, I'll be the first to admit, uh, we've talked about it. I think on here, I think we've talked about it, you know, just you and I talking about it. Like, I have used AI to tell me like the color palette of a song. I've done it, it's intriguing. Like, I I tested it. Not only did I test AI, but I actually tested it to maybe um to people that necess don't necessarily watch a pyromusical, and I ask what color does this show evoke, right? Yeah, um, and it's intriguing how close they were on you know, like an artsy type person versus somebody who maybe is more of a builder mindset. They had a different, and again, it depended on what song it was.

SPEAKER_06 33:42

Like, you know, different different colors. Well, the same thing too, it's like different colors elicit different emotions, right? Exactly. So a song that conveys a certain emotion should elicit similar colors to whoever listens to it, right? Like, I mean, I yeah, like you could ask you know, a hundred people what the song color, you know, it probably would you would probably get a pretty good consensus on a similarity of color spectrum. They're all not they all might not exactly pick the exact same color, but they're all probably going to be it would assume fairly close to each other.

SPEAKER_07 34:17

Right. Well, I mean, okay, let's pick probably the most color cliche song, Wonderful World. Like everybody's going to do red and green and excessively colorful, you know, for different segments of that.

SPEAKER_06 34:30

A lot of like rainbow rainbowish type colors.

SPEAKER_07 34:31

A lot of rainbow colors, exactly. Right. But, you know, you use okay, sound of silence. What colors does that of you know evoke to you? Yeah, something a lot more darker colors, right? You got more to me. To me, there's a lot of elegance in that. So I want to use a lot more purples and then accenting that maybe with reds. Yeah. And then, you know, some brocades or willows or sorts of such. So I don't know. Just interesting to kind of think through that.

SPEAKER_06 35:02

No, it is, yeah. I think that'll play, yeah. I mean, something else to yeah, when the description shows is yeah. Trying to match that emotion. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I'm gonna ask Gallery what kind of what kind of did you ask Gallery these questions about what colors songs songs were? Yeah, he he told me it doesn't matter. So it doesn't matter. Which I don't know.

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SPEAKER_07 36:18

The most reliable fireworks brand. This is an interesting one. Edgy hook lines. Stop choosing fireworks, start designing moments. I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that. Like I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 36:30

I mean sometimes moments. That's interesting. Sometimes you need both, I think.

SPEAKER_07 36:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:37

Um but like to your point, like you do need just filler moments. Like well, and also you know there are those big moments, right? That are gonna wow everybody, right? And that's I think you definitely need your wow moments, and then yeah, I think how you get from one big moment to the next big moment, I think, can be can be filler.

SPEAKER_07 36:55

Yeah. Yeah. So I do you let your gear restrict your designing abilities, or do you just design your show and pray to God you can find the gear to make it happen?

SPEAKER_06 37:08

You just design it, just hope you hope you can find it. Like I I I'm in a club, I'm in a club where I can get the equipment, so I can design as big shows I want, and I and I know I know I have access to equipment. Like, I I don't worry about, I mean, obviously in the beginning when I didn't have that accessibility, I I really had to like, okay, like evaluate as much equipment, like I need to be within this amount. Like, I know I'm gonna have to series some stuff together, probably, and we have to you know wire some things in together to make it work, but oh I knew I had to be within a within a certain limit, right? And then you gotta kind of hope that the soundtrack you picked will fit within that limit, right? Like there's it's a little bit of both ways, right? Like you've got to kind of script, and then if you have to go back and maybe you go back and cut a song, like or you have to go and lighten stuff up a little bit. You know, I mean, I've I've done that before where I've scripted and be like, yeah, I'm gonna have to cut a song, I think.

SPEAKER_07 37:59

Yeah, like okay, so to that, say you're using a firing system that has 18 Qs, Cobra. Let's just throw Cobra out there, right? You have a 72M, it's completely full, but you have 73 Qs. Are you gonna go in there and try and find that one Q that you know you or you think you can remove, or are you gonna put another 18M out there because you know you have the gear?

SPEAKER_06 38:27

I'm gonna series something together and be like be like, we're gonna call this good. Like, I'm gonna figure out which two shots are close together and they're gonna they're gonna go at the same time. Okay. No, I I will I will absolutely go through and I'll like filter my finale script by just that mod, and I can see it on the timeline, and I can see if there's two things happen at the same time that I could series together. Or maybe there's something that overlaps somewhere that I don't need and I can take off. Like it's uh yeah, I yeah, that's yeah, I've absolutely I'll actually go through and just you know filter by a position and you know, by mod, and you can go through and see on the timeline, you can kind of you can make quick adjustments at that point, like yeah, because I might not have an extra 18m just to slap out there for one cue, like right, not not not many backyard people just have enough extra ATM laying around that I can just slap out there and and toss a queue on. That's for sure. Yeah, yeah. As a backyard scriptor, you're probably really thinking about the number of cues you have, and that's how you're scripting your show too. Yep. Whereas you're designing for some big you know competition type of show, like you're just gonna design the show you have, and then you're gonna go out and find the equipment you need to shoot it. Yep. That's that's just the way we are when it comes to those big shows like that. Like, I don't think it matters who you are you're shooting a big show, whether it's that big show at PGI or Skywars or Cobra Con, like you're borrowing equipment. Yeah, 100% you are. Like every every show out there is probably borrowing equipment. Like, there's not many people who have enough cues, enough racks, enough equipment to put on these big shows. I don't think people realize that as much. Like people are borrowing equipment to shoot these shows.

SPEAKER_07 40:04

For sure. It's well, and Ellery has actually brought up a good point, and whether or not he gets mad at me for taking his philosophy and sharing it here or not, I don't know. But he's mentioned instead of buying modules, buy slats. You can buy the modules. You can't always uh get them, you can't always get the modules early, but you can have cheaper slats and you can fill those slats and have those filled. And when you get there, then your cat your cables and mods come with the person you're loading them from, then it's easy to plug them in. So as long as that person that has slat mods, right?

SPEAKER_06 40:46

Exactly. I mean, if you're part of somebody who has just the plug or just regulars, right? Like you're you're verify you're at the verify your lender's gear, right? You're at the mercy at the time you get there. I mean, but yeah, slats, yeah, slats are perfect. I mean, I I use slats, I've I all my Cobra gear was slats before. I mean, the fire text I have now, is it's all slats. Like, it's the perfect way to prep ahead of time. And you just didn't at that point, you just need mods, right? I mean, but yeah, I mean it's very much like you know, it's a matter of borrowing equipment. Like it's it just doesn't happen. These big shows don't go on without the resources of clubs and friends and people owning equipment. Like it's just it's not possible. Right. Yep.

SPEAKER_07 41:31

Interesting. Kind of went from from I'll be I'll be barring lots of equipment out there.

SPEAKER_06 41:36

So I mean, yeah, I mean Yeah. If you know you know somebody that's I don't I don't have I don't have enough equipment here at my place to shoot a big shot.

SPEAKER_07 41:43

I mean it's uh uh is when is the first time you're using your gear? Is it this weekend or uh no?

SPEAKER_06 41:50

I'm not even using it this weekend. No, it's probably gonna be it's likely gonna be the club shooting probably in in June that you might be you might be here. Oh all right. That might that might be the first time I get to actually use it, but yeah, I should I'm fairly certain I'll be there. So yeah, no, I need to get it out and once weekends and just play with it a little bit, play it the morning. I've just been so busy. I mean vacation and everything else, and I'm finally starting to get into some scripting stuff. So you're behind the eight ball. I pulled it out and tested some DNX. DMX is all I cared about at the time. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 42:22

But uh I'd been just slowly uh um shooting ematch or something in the backyard or something. Was good to see CJ. We were just actually texting just a little bit ago, so okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 42:38

Yeah, yeah. Be good to see. I missed here. I missed seeing it. I miss not not being there just to see everybody, but yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 42:50

It is nice. It's you know, like that's what I will say about that event is like it's nice to get back in the groove. Cause like when you go to Sky Wars or NFA, like you know that season is done, and like that's the last time you're gonna see these people for five or six months. Like this event in the spring is really nice to be able to reconnect with people and you know get back in the groove.

SPEAKER_06 43:16

You know it's time to yeah, it's time to put your boots on, and and obviously it's a little bit of like a not as high as a stress or pressure event, right? Like it's exactly. I think there's more time to socialize, yeah, versus some of the other events where it's just it's just show prep the entire time there and you don't get to socialize anybody. I mean, it's just yeah, you're working the entire time.

SPEAKER_07 43:36

Yeah. But yeah, thanks again to CJ for for sponsoring the podcast. Uh, we really do appreciate that. Yeah um PGI, August 8th through the 14th. Um it's gonna be a good time.

SPEAKER_06 43:52

Um I'm gonna have to send somebody better to hold your hand. I I wouldn't mind. I'm gonna have to find somebody coming and hold your hand so you make sure you put play the right sound. Tracking got it all figured out.

SPEAKER_07 44:01

I honestly wouldn't tell you no. Uh key point don't test your audio. Do the audio box, test it to your remote.

SPEAKER_06 44:11

If you want that job, reach out to us. Reach out, reach out. I'll reach out if you want if you're interested in that non-paying job.

SPEAKER_07 44:17

This this might be paid, it might not be paid. Depends on the the performance of August 14th. The outcome. Outcome. Paid based on outcome. Paid based on outcome. Based on performance. Yeah, we're gonna. It's kind of been preliminary. Uh I really haven't even talked to you about this, but um we're gonna have a whole like camp spot where everybody can come and hang out. And it should be kind of a chill, like family atmosphere with bonfire and no no Airbnb in this time. No Airbnb this time. Well, the ladies, the ladies are getting an Airbnb. They don't wanna they don't want to glamp. So um, but it would be cornhole. It might not be so friendly, but uh we'll see. Um yeah, it's gonna be a good time. When we're not there, we'll be out in the field. Um it's gonna be a big one. Oh my gosh. I don't know what I'm getting myself into, but it's gonna be fun. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:22

Uh thanks to that's a big stuff, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 45:25

Winda, wizard, um, fire T Sky, Fire Tech.

SPEAKER_06 45:30

Yeah, all very big sponsors, and we got really we gotta get you some Fire Tech for that PGI show.

SPEAKER_07 45:36

Yeah, well, you know, it was if somebody else wasn't using all the stinking fire tech in the US, I might actually think about it.

SPEAKER_06 45:45

I don't know who that might be. I have no idea. There's plenty out there apparently. I mean, there's a lot more out there than you think. Is there? Oh yeah, there's there's uh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 45:54

Well, that'd be, you know, an audio issue and uh hopefully this fire system works.

SPEAKER_06 46:02

You can actually rent some private equipment apparently out there too. So Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 46:05

So I've heard there's other really cool effects that need to happen before renting gear. Renting gear.

SPEAKER_06 46:15

A year rental? Pyro unleashed rental.

SPEAKER_07 46:20

Pyro unleashed rental. Unless unleash your inner rental. Rent your equipment.

SPEAKER_06 46:33

All right, well, before we go down that canon. Yeah, we're gonna leave that one alone. But again, guys, yeah, another another great week. Um we are officially, I think, going to do a Discord listener recording next week. Yeah. Um that will be coming on the calendar near you in Discord. Um hop on there. Want some want some fresh faces, some new people. Don't be shy. The camera is uh camera's kind of kind of highly highly suggested. Yeah, once you see your your faces and yeah, makes it easier when we when we edit to see who's talking than versus trying to do that without your face.

SPEAKER_07 47:10

So and if you don't put your face on there, we're gonna match your face to the best picture we find on. Maybe I might have to.

SPEAKER_06 47:17

You know, a meme or a gif. So yeah, it might be friendly. Yeah, so uh yeah, so come with some questions and or just some chat, just like yeah, see how things go.

SPEAKER_07 47:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 47:26

I know KCAP would come maybe fresh off another wind this weekend at the versus shoot. We'll see.

SPEAKER_07 47:30

We'll see. What do that be uh nine in a row? Is that I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 47:34

Like all of them, maybe like all of them. Like no, I don't know, maybe I don't know. We'll see. But uh I've seen the script with KCAT's putting up and uh it's it's it's it's tough. So it's a good one, I think. So good, all right. It'll be uh it'll be exciting. So if you're definitely gonna be out in if you're in Missouri, yeah, head out this weekend. Yep. Um, I mean be tomorrow after this point, this thing airs. So you don't have my those. Yeah, make sure you go on the website, register, be out there, while you watch the shows.

SPEAKER_07 48:04

Feels like it's the national demo weekend of the year. Always is. Always is everybody.

SPEAKER_06 48:09

I mean, except for Wisely, they decided yeah, be different.

SPEAKER_07 48:13

You know what? There's a reason.

SPEAKER_06 48:16

I I do not even get T Sky at Wisely, I'd have that.

SPEAKER_07 48:20

So it's I will tell you, I I will reiterate this. I've shot product from several, several brands, and I will tell you the T Sky outperformed nine out of ten.

SPEAKER_06 48:35

I mean, I I I mean I've gotten T Sky here here locally in in Missouri you know several years ago, and it was some 62 mil shots, and they were they were they were they were they were really, really nice. And yeah. I've got a few of them been holding on to. I mean, it's I mean they're there they were some really good stuff. That was that was several years ago before I was even really all that all that knowledgeable about what was out there, and so it's good to see them making a bigger presence and getting some stuff in the country because it's it's some good product.

SPEAKER_07 49:01

Yeah, it is. Have you seen the uh I believe it's a 50 mil mine, it's a blue to white strobe lower mine, uh, and then it shoots up red crissettes above it in a mine. It is really, really nice. So um just gonna name drop that one. We're almost out of it, but almost out of it. Uh you're out of your house. It's probably gone now. It's probably gone now. Place in my order as we speak. Red comets, white comets, blue comets, mines. They're I I am shocked. I I shouldn't be, but like it's almost gone. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:41

So maybe all my all my fountains on order. And then uh after this episode, we'll have a couple episodes left. Um we got Rob, Rob, Rob lined up to talk about Skyward. Yeah, we got a little peek on Sky Wars and what we got planned and what's coming. So we'll see what he's got for us for the for Sky Wars this upcoming year. And yeah, do we want to give the dates? Yeah, maybe maybe I can maybe I can get my budget and my and my my rules for me maybe that night or something.

SPEAKER_07 50:10

I mean uh to be a you heard it, you heard it here first. Yeah, I heard it here first too.

SPEAKER_06 50:17

Yeah, but yeah, so um yeah, and then we do have a uh I don't know if you've ever actually disclosed our season closed for the we haven't.

SPEAKER_07 50:27

We're still like semi, semi waiting to uh announce that, waiting for for some final details, but it's up to you. We can we can announce it. It's gonna be it's gonna be huge.

SPEAKER_05 50:38

We can wait in our week or two.

SPEAKER_07 50:40

I will tell you, it will be, in my opinion, not that all the other beat guests we've had on have not been wonderful, but it will probably be change of pace change of pace. Top three, change of pace, change of pace, it'll be a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_06 50:54

It's going to apply to people outside of Pyro 2.

SPEAKER_07 50:56

It will, yeah. So put your guesses in the comments below.

SPEAKER_06 51:01

Um, not drones, not not drones, but it's not drones, not drones, it's not drones, not drones, but uh yeah, so yeah, so last episode's lined up here, guys. We're gonna have uh close up the season here sometime around like around about mid-February-ish, and then February, wow, or mid Mayor. Mid-May, yeah. I mean two, five, it's all the same. Two, five. And then we'll take a little uh little break for the season, and yeah. Maybe if we're lucky, I might have some time before Sky Wars pop-a-up episodes in, but yeah, yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be tight. So we'll have to see.

SPEAKER_07 51:35

We gotta get the uh the Skywar shooters on. That's gonna be a fun episode. We can all just debate it out. Yeah. We're gonna have to find somebody else, because I'm not gonna be the only judge in the boxing room. I mean, you could.

SPEAKER_06 51:47

I mean our third member of Pirate Unleashed. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 51:55

We'll see. That'd be fun, wouldn't it? Uh everybody's gonna start rumor mills. All right, I can I can see the KCAP Discord now. Who's the third member? Who's the third member?

SPEAKER_06 52:05

Right. Curtis will be on there.

SPEAKER_07 52:06

Who's the third member? Who's starting new hashtag taking applications? Start a new hashtag who's the third. Who's the third?

SPEAKER_06 52:20

Uh but anyway, guys, go out there and keep listening. Yeah, um, and enjoy the episode. Go out there and connect the rehash on some of the finale tips of the week, guys.

SPEAKER_07 52:29

Good time to uh blasting those out Monday, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays.

SPEAKER_06 52:32

So good time to get caught up on uh on your finale skills for the for the season. So yeah, um, I know at uh some point we need to get Drew back on and maybe talk about some of the some of the newer upgrades and stuff like that. And yeah, there's a lot to talk to him about. He's been busy too, so I don't know if he wasn't busy.

SPEAKER_07 52:46

Yeah, I seen him at elevate and he was uh yeah, he was slammed and I mean rightfully so. They they they have earned that uh the busyness.

SPEAKER_06 52:57

So we absolutely uh it's been it's been busy. So uh keep everything going. But again, guys, go out there, have a great time, and we will see y'all next week. And until then, go out there and unleash your inner pyro with us.

SPEAKER_01 53:13

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