Paranormal Playback:Ep.3 Face Your Fears Paranormal

The boundaries between our world and others blur in this riveting conversation with veteran paranormal investigator Tom, who happens to be the father of our host Luke. With decades of experience exploring the unexplained, Tom takes us through encounters that challenge conventional understanding of reality.

Tom recounts his most compelling experiences, including a chilling interaction with a fully-formed apparition of a little boy named Billy who appeared in period clothing from the 1800s. Unlike the transparent figures often depicted in popular media, Tom describes the child spirit as "pretty damn solid" before it vanished before his eyes. His former home was a hotspot for paranormal activity, from objects flying across rooms to shadowy figures walking through walls when no one else was present.

The conversation ventures into deeply personal territory when Tom shares a profound encounter with what may have been the spirit of an unborn child—his wife had experienced a miscarriage before their son Luke was born. Years later, a young woman approached Tom, called him "dad," and introduced herself before disappearing. This leads to fascinating philosophical questions about when consciousness begins and whether souls continue to develop after physical death.

Tom offers a compelling theory about dimensional frequencies, suggesting that spirits, cryptids like Bigfoot, and even extraterrestrial beings might exist on different vibrational planes that occasionally intersect with our own. "Humans are on a certain frequency and spirits are on a different frequency," he explains, comparing it to radio stations that surround us unseen until we tune to the right channel. This might explain why certain people—like Tom's partner Dawn who also joins the conversation—can perceive spiritual entities while others cannot.

From physical evidence of paranormal encounters that left Tom bleeding, to witnessed possessions during investigations, to unexplained screams in remote forests, this episode challenges listeners to reconsider what might be possible beyond our everyday perception. Whether you're a believer, skeptic, or somewhere in between, Tom's open-minded approach invites us all to question: What if reality is far more expansive than we've been programmed to believe?

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:03

Welcome Seekers of the Paranormal and listen in as we dive into and Luke in Exploring the Unknown.

Speaker 3 0:43

Welcome to another episode of the Exploding Unknown. My name is Luke and I'm Dustin. Today we have on the podcast we have my dad, tom, and he has some pretty cool experiences. He's done paranormal investigations for a pretty long time. He's a part of Face your Fears, paranormal. You can get a follow of them on Facebook and I think that's the only platform they are.

Speaker 1 1:11

Yeah, we can drop that link down below so that, if you want, you can go check that out.

Speaker 3 1:14

Talk about a creepy doll. You should see this doll.

Speaker 1 1:19

I don't know, I'm a little.

Speaker 3 1:23

Can you see it? Move it down a little bit more. Move your camera down or your phone.

Speaker 1 1:29

Oh ew.

Speaker 3 1:32

Ew, You're sharing the yeah right there. Just pull it down a little bit more and you'll be good Ew.

Speaker 1 1:44

Is it hollow Like the head? Yeah?

Speaker 3 1:49

Nah.

Haunted House Stories and Encounters

Speaker 2 1:52

That's freaky I don't like dolls to begin with.

Speaker 3 1:56

Yeah, tell us some of the experiences you had at the old house.

Speaker 4 2:02

Um, I know I was sitting outside the one time and I was sitting on the deck and we had sliding glass doors and you guys were all in bed and I thought I'd seen a person walk across in the the living room and I sat there and finished my cigarette and I'm like, well, I'll go in, and I thought it was you or Jacob or somebody, and I went in and there was absolutely nobody there and I was like, well, that was kind of weird. And then I remember I was laying on the couch watching TV in the living room and from the hallway we had an archway there and a little boy walked into the room and he stood right up next to me and he was like dressed like in period clothing, like from the 1800s, and he said, hi, dressed like in period clothing, like from the 1800s, and he said, hi, my name's Billy. And I kind of looked at him and like blinked my eyes a couple times and he kind of vanished.

Speaker 3 3:25

And then I know you had that experience with the scream when I wasn't home. Yeah, that was scary.

Speaker 4 3:31

That scream was scary, I don't know. I used to hear shit. Plus, I was on a computer at one time and we hunt, I had an arrow up on my antlers right above the computer. That one flying across the room flew off the antlers right above the computer. That one flying across the room flew off the antlers and hit the floor. I'm trying to think what else I mean. There was always something going on there.

Speaker 3 4:00

Now this did anything happen before you started actually like going out and investigating places? Um.

Speaker 4 4:07

I mean, I think I had experiences before I started, but I didn't really associate them with anything in particular because I really wasn't into it. So if something fell over or something happened, I just figured you know, a cup fell over or something. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 4:26

Yeah.

Speaker 4 4:27

Because I wasn't really aware of the situation and not really into what it could actually be, where I just kind of pushed it aside and didn't really think too much of it.

Speaker 1 4:41

All right, the little boy story that's blowing my mind like it. Just it walked right up to you like within just a couple of feet from you.

Speaker 4 4:54

It looked like a little boy and he said hi, my name's billy. He even told me his name and I was like you know, I looked at him and he probably lasted. I mean, I seen him walk into the room and then he stood there for a couple of seconds, so the whole thing probably lasted. I mean, I know five seconds don't sound like a long time, but when you're staring down at something that's not there, it seems like forever.

Speaker 1 5:21

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Was it like it wasn't like see-through or anything. It wasn't transparent.

Speaker 4 5:30

No, it was pretty damn solid. That's wild.

Speaker 1 5:34

And.

Speaker 4 5:34

I remember he had like blonde hair and he had like coveralls on, kind of like a farm kid kind of look to him.

Speaker 1 5:46

Oh no, it froze.

Speaker 4 5:47

But it wasn't any like modern clothing.

Speaker 3 5:52

Now tell us the history about the house. Dustin asked me once before about it and I didn't really know the history of it.

Mediumship and Sensitive Experiences

Speaker 4 6:01

Well, the history. I actually went down because when you get a deed to a house it gives you a book and a page number and then you can go to I went actually downtown and you show them the book and the page and they pull that book and they show the page that's marked and it shows you the previous owner. So I went all the way and then they actually have the titles to the house and then on that title it'll give you a book and a page and you just keep regressing back and I was actually back to the 1800s where Pittsburgh Cool and Samuel Boggs owned a property and then I think a lady bought it and she bought it I mean at the time it was probably a couple hundred acres before it was divided and that was back in the 1800s. Back in the 1800s and I had like deeds and things written in calligraphy, like the old type style writing.

Speaker 4 7:17

And then the house was built in the early 1900s and they had, you know, the property markers were trees. It was like from this oak tree to this tree, to this tree to this tree. And then, like I said, the house was built in the early 1900s and I know, um, one of the neighbor's family members used to own the house, luddy, and you know, I know there were like back in the day in the early 1900s. They didn't really have funeral homes so they would have like the wake right in the living room. So I know there were a couple of wakes in the house, like right in the living room. They would have dead bodies and people come and visit and whatever.

Speaker 2 8:06

And then I don't know much after that.

Speaker 4 8:19

Uh yeah, and then I mean I don't know of any actual deaths or anything and they're like awesome. And now I know four people died. In there was a lady committed suicide in the garage. She started her car and closed the garage door and I guess her husband found her carbon monoxide poisoning. That's where I'm living now. And then she was only in her 40s and then he died a year or two later. He was in her 40s and then he died a year or two later. He was in his 40s. Then the original owners. There was only one other owner, one other family that owned the property, but I know the mom and dad both died in the house, damn so.

Speaker 1 9:03

I know of at least four deaths in here. That's all there is. That's the place you're living at now what did you say?

Speaker 4 9:10

yeah, sorry if I seem unresponsive you get the reason on my end we have things going on like my girlfriend Dawn. She's kind of insensitive and she sees and talks to dead people. I know like we'll be laying in bed and I looked over at her and I'm like, did you see that? Because there was like this big, dark shadow figure standing right at the edge of our bed by the closet. Actually, she's right here. Come on, say hi. They're not, they're just recording audio. She's actually here.

Speaker 2 9:53

Hi everybody.

Speaker 4 9:54

Hello, you can go on the camera, just so they can. No one else can see you.

Speaker 2 10:01

Whoa here. His phone almost fell Sorry.

Speaker 4 10:06

But anyway, I was telling him about when they were laying in bed and we seen that shadow figure.

Speaker 2 10:11

Yes, yes, it was on his side of the bed. I was like looking at the wall and then I started getting sensitive and I started like freaking out and I told him. He said what's wrong and I kept looking and he looked over there and you could see the shadow walk from the like from his side of the bed.

Speaker 1 10:39

It went to the end of the bed and it just watched us, did it seem malevolent.

Speaker 2 10:46

I mean I was, I was, I wasn't scared, but I wasn't uncomfortable, but I was like you know. You know how you're feeling watched. That's what creeped me out being watched, but also on my side of the bed there's like a corner. But also on my side of the bed there's like a corner.

Speaker 1 11:12

But like three or four times I have seen a woman's face in that corner. Do you think it might?

Speaker 4 11:55

be the woman that killed herself in the garage. I'm not sure what she looked like, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 12:03

I mean she was in her 50s. I would say 50s.

Speaker 4 12:04

I thought it was in her 40s. Well, either way she wasn't real old. But I mean, I looked up her obituary. I don't remember her exact age, but I guess they called her Cookie or something as a nickname, what?

Speaker 3 12:26

was the real name do you?

Speaker 2 12:27

marry him marry him and there's also a little girl in here, um, her name is anna. She follows me and she has called me mommy on the opulence. So I feel like she's trying to look for her mom. I don't know if maybe I resemble her mom or whatever, but I mean, and I've noticed she follows me to other places too, because I can feel her.

Speaker 3 13:06

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Speaker 1 13:13

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Speaker 3 13:22

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Speaker 1 13:37

Yeah, and it's worth having the right tools when you're out there. Now let's get back to the show. We've got some stories coming up that you won't want to miss.

Speaker 4 13:55

Now I was sitting I mean I don't really say I have gifts and stuff but I was actually sitting out on the porch by myself and this woman walked up the street and she I mean she was probably about 30s, long story short she come walking up on the porch and she sat down right beside me and she said, hi, dad. And I looked at her and I'm like and I said who are you? And she said her name was Amber. I think. Now, like before Luke was born, my wife had a miscarriage, so this child would have been a little bit older than Luke, maybe a year. And then she said, oh, I'll see you soon.

Speaker 4 14:57

And that kind of freaked me out because I mean I know like that people don't associate time as we do. So I mean when she said I'll see you soon, it could be 100 years from now, because time is not a constant anyway but that really freaked me out. I mean she had like long brown hair, I mean she was really pretty, but when she called me, that I kind of just like it stunned me because I was like what the fuck? And then all of a sudden she was gone and I'm like I come in and I told Dawn, I'm like man. This girl just walked up and sat beside me and called me dad and I was like you know, I don't know. Like you know, they say life begins at conception. Now, if that was, you know, if you actually have some type of soul when you're conceived and not actually born, if you could still manifest. And I'm not like real sure what happens Like if a child dies, say it's only a couple months old.

Speaker 4 16:11

Does it stay a child or does it continue to develop as it gets older, if that makes any sense, Because you know, say, a baby dies that's under a year old and can't even speak, you get child spirits to talk to you or whatever, and then that kind of. I'm still trying to figure that one out too.

Speaker 2 16:40

Yeah, that's interesting, that also brings me back to to when I was in Mississippi. My mom had two miscarriages and before my dad passed away, he was in the hospital. On one side of the bed there was a little boy and on the other side there was a little boy. And my dad asked us who are these little boys? That is beside me? And we said we said, uh, dad, we don't know. Well, we daddy. Dad got back home and then he was staring the corner and he was fussing at the the wall. And I'm like dad, what are you fussing at? He said mama's telling me it's time to go home, and I don't want to go home at the wall. And I'm like Dad, what are you fussing at? He said Mama's telling me it's time to go home, and I don't want to go home. And so I think it was two weeks later my dad passed away. So I had this dream.

Speaker 4 17:41

Just let them in a little bit. They can't, I mean they can see, I had this dream. Just lean in a little bit. They can't, I mean they can see you.

Speaker 2 17:44

I had this dream and I dreamed that it was so real, I mean, and I dreamed I walked into the living room and my dad was sitting in his rocking chair and there was two little boys beside him. And I turned around and I said Dad said who's? Who's these little boys? He said that's your brothers. So I'm kind of feeling like maybe a mama miscarried two boys. I don't know what the dream was trying to tell me, but I mean, it was just, the dream was so real, it's like, and I went and I touched the chair and I could actually feel my dad's hands on my hand.

Speaker 1 18:25

Oh wow, that's wild.

Speaker 2 18:28

So I can't explain that.

Speaker 4 18:37

Now what are you? What? What's your guy's opinion of? Like? If a baby dies, does it continue to grow like an adult or does it just stay a baby? They can't really communicate or speak, or whatever. I'd like to know your opinions, because I'm still trying to figure it all out myself I'll let you go first okay, I honestly I've never thought about that.

Speaker 1 19:00

If, like, maybe, if, if it continues to to grow as as after it dies, you know, because I mean you hear accounts like you had had with with the little boy, uh, billy. I mean, if maybe years later that that little boy grew up, you know, or maybe you still have another account like that, or that little bit, that same little boy, I don't know. I I honestly I have, I have no no opinion on that whatsoever because I've never thought about that.

Speaker 3 19:25

What at all yeah, I never thought about that either. Looks a good thing to look into well that's your job, man.

Speaker 4 19:38

Get out there and start talking to people and get to ask that question. See what feedback you get. Yeah definitely. I think you can come back as an apparition. If you died in your 80s, I think you can come back at any stage of your life.

Speaker 2 20:00

I mean, I've seen my dad, I've seen his spirit and he would look like he. I've seen his spirit like spirit, and he would look like he was in his like 50s and he was in his 70s when he passed away.

Speaker 4 20:10

Yeah, I mean, I believe I do believe that you can come back as an earlier, when you were feeling better and more active and things like that. But I'm still confused about the if a baby dies kind of thing, if they continue to grow into adulthood.

Speaker 3 20:31

Yeah, that's interesting to hear. Yeah, that's definitely a question.

Speaker 1 20:40

Yeah, I want to continue asking people that because I want to see what other people's opinions are for sure. Is my audio cutting out?

Speaker 3 20:47

I mean, I personally think no, I can hear you fine, if a baby would die he would continue to grow, at least to the point where he has an understanding and able to communicate and things like that. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, now tell us some of your stories about Gettysburg. I know you've been to Gettysburg a good bit. Do you have any pretty cool experiences at?

Speaker 4 21:24

Gettysburg. I mean, I've been to Gettysburg, you know, I remember being on Saks Bridge it's that haunted so-called bridge down there in the middle of the night and you could actually hear. It was probably like 3 in the morning and you could hear cannons going off and that was kind of weird, you know. Other than that I don't, I mean I believe the place is haunted and there's a lot of things going on, but I never really seen anything per se down there. Didn't you see something?

Speaker 3 22:04

walk across the railroad tracks.

Speaker 4 22:07

Oh, yeah, I did, I forgot all about that. Yeah, we were at the train station down there and I guess there was a battle right there and it was actually right before Gettysburg College or beside it and you could actually see the pond which they claim a bunch of people have drowned in that pond. But I was standing there and I had my camera, my video camera, going and I'm like man, I ain't catching shit. So I shut the camera down and set it to the side and I seen an apparition of somebody walking like across the tracks. I mean, I didn't grab my camera or anything, but I ran right at it and I never found anything. But yeah, I do remember that.

Speaker 3 22:57

And how did you mention it Now. I remember this Tell us about that story, about that EVP that you caught when you were at the cemetery.

Speaker 4 23:11

Yeah, I was in the cemetery and I had a digital recorder going and I come up to this young woman. I guess she was in her 20s when she passed away and I was just kind of reading her headstone, her name, and when she died, and I mean plain as day, you could hear her voice like it was in pain and I said, oh, you died at the age of and she's like, and the EVP went, uh-huh, I mean it was plain as day and I mean it was plain as day.

Speaker 4 23:45

And I mean I've played that for a lot of people and it's kind of freaky because it almost sounds like she's on her deathbed when she says when she answered me.

Speaker 1 23:57

Do you have it that we could listen to sometime, like you could send it to us maybe?

Speaker 4 24:02

I could. Yeah, I'll send it to Luke.

Speaker 3 24:07

Okay, I remember that. That gives me the chills thinking about it.

Speaker 1 24:13

Yeah, you'll have to let him listen to that one.

Interdimensional Theories and Meditation

Speaker 4 24:16

You know I mean I've done a lot of EVPs over the years and you know, been called names and got FU and all kinds of stuff. But you know I remember we used to do a lot of private homes and um, I guess I know you're not supposed to interrogate things and you know that's what they tell you anyway. But if I'm not getting any action or if it's like really boring and nothing happening, I might call something out. And I remember we were at a house where there was a single mom with a couple of and she kept hearing things up in the attic and it was kind of scaring her kids and all that.

Speaker 4 25:07

And I went up by myself and I mean it was totally dark up there and I sat down and I called this thing out. I'm like why don't you come get me, mf-er? And all of a sudden, man, I had a real short pain in my back, like a burning sensation, and I waited a little bit and I kept, you know, kind of interrogating me. I'm like I ain't afraid of you, this, that. And I went down and my brother and sister-in-law were there and I lifted the back of my shirt and I was actually bleeding. This thing scratched me to the point where my back was bleeding.

Speaker 2 25:46

Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 25:47

And you know, I had like three deep scratches that were bleeding on my back. So I guess the thing got pissed off and attacked me.

Speaker 2 25:57

Oh, that house, oh my God. Yeah, it's just bad. Oh that house, oh my God.

Speaker 3 26:02

Yeah, it's this guy.

Speaker 1 26:05

And then I've been, you know I've been Go ahead. No, as I said, do you think that you have?

Speaker 4 26:20

to be at like a certain level of vulnerability in order for these things to want to like, show themselves or interact. Well, here's the way I look at things. Luke and I were with a group it was called the Bel Air Demon House in Ohio. Now, you know, we were sitting in a living room and the dude we were with, eddie, like he started, he actually like curled up in a ball on a couch and started crying and then he got possessed to the point where his voice changed, his facial expression changed. I mean he was like totally possessed or taken over by something, and I actually grabbed him and I took him outside because we were trying to get him out of the house anyway and I grabbed him by his shoulders and I put him down in a chair and I'm like, whatever God you. I'm like, get the fuck out now, and you know. But he was like totally possessed and you know, buddy of mine, garrett's and some darker stuff. But we did this first of all, but it took over an hour for him to get back to normal and that was pretty. That was probably one of the scarier things that I've experienced.

Speaker 4 27:47

Now, I guess this year we were also at a house where we were with a couple people and one woman. She started freaking out Like something overtook her body and she's like freaking out, like something overtook her body. And she's like freaking out and I grabbed her. I'm like, leave her alone. I'm like, I'm not afraid of you. And she looked at me dead in the eyes and she said yes, you are. And I'm like and her voice was real low- and I'm like I ain't afraid of you.

Speaker 4 28:20

And she's like, yes, you are, hello, and I'm like I ain't afraid of you. And she's like, yes, you are. And I'm like it kind of kind of threw me off guard a little bit there and then within a couple minutes it kind of took over Dawn's body. For a minute she wasn't flying on the ground and I dove on her and grabbed her. And then another woman we were Vicki Luke's aunt she got pushed. So this thing was obviously pissed off at women for some reason and I don't know. That's wild.

Speaker 3 29:04

But it's some pretty. I mean, there's some crazy, crazy stuff I've seen and stuff happened.

Speaker 4 29:10

No, you got tapped, didn't you At a barn or a?

Speaker 3 29:12

stable.

Speaker 4 29:13

You got tapped at a barn. Yeah, we did a horse stable. It was down at Bridgeville, pa, and the guy would lock up the horses, you know, at nighttime and then he would wake up in the morning and the barns were open and unlocked and the horses were kind of just roaming around. We're in his barn, it's totally dark, and I felt a tap on my shoulder and I'm like, didn't think too much of it. I felt a tap on my shoulder and I'm like, didn't think too much of it and I'd say maybe 15, 20 minutes later I felt the same thing and I'm like, stop, right now.

Speaker 4 29:52

I'm like let's turn some lights on, because I didn't know if there was like something hanging from the ceiling or you know. We turned the lights on and there was absolutely nothing around me. And then I had a digital recorder and when I got home I was listening and right before I got tapped on the shoulder, another voice playing his safe said right behind you. So whatever it was, it was behind me. It said it and then it tapped me on the shoulder and you know, then it was like I said it was a barn, it was real dirty and dusty and the owner of the barn or the property was there, but it had like this real old golf cart and it had like two handprints in the dust where you could see the handprints, and he claims they weren't there before all that happened. But I can't say one way or the other.

Speaker 1 30:57

How do you find these places?

Speaker 2 30:59

Do you?

Speaker 1 30:59

and how do you ask them for permission to go?

Speaker 3 31:02

and investigate them. If you have any other experiences, you can tell us. I'm going to tell you a lot.

Speaker 4 31:10

Yeah, I've had a lot. You know there's I don't know. I have different theories of things and you know, I think like Dawn's more sensitive and I kind of think that it's like different frequencies, Like humans are on a certain frequency and I think ghosts and you know spirits are on a different frequency. Spirits are on a different frequency. So you know there's people that can get into that frequency better than others. Or if you see something, they might be able to change their frequency.

Speaker 4 31:53

Just like if you're listening to radio, I mean there's radio stations on right now that are surrounding you, but you couldn't tap into it until you turn on the radio station. You know what I mean. So I think there's people that can tap in the different frequencies and I think the spirit world can also tap in our frequency and I kind of think that's how like the whole Bigfoot thing is too, where I think it's a real thing, but I think it's also on a different frequency than you know. We humans think we're so special and all that. We're actually pretty freaking dumb and you know, we think we know it all.

Speaker 3 32:42

We know absolutely very little as far as I'm concerned no, we listen to a lot of podcasts that work about bigfoot and stuff like that and a lot of people say they're like interdimensional. How do you feel about that? Do you think?

Speaker 4 32:59

it's possible. That's kind of what I was just explaining. They're on a whole different frequency. As we are. They might jump into our reality for a minute or two and you see it, and then you go look and it's gone, because they jumped out of our realm of reality. I guess is one way of putting it.

Speaker 3 33:25

So do you believe there's different realms out?

Speaker 4 33:28

there, definitely, I believe you know I'm you know, I think there's a lot of different realms and I think people can actually tap into. I actually read a book. I'm trying to think what it was called or what it was about, but it was about how you can like get into a meditative state and you could remember every part of your life and there's like different stages or steps that you go. Like if you're in like an eight-story building, you might be on the second floor, where you could actually reach up to the eighth floor with certain meditation and different things, where you can get to the point where you can remember every second of your life and the decision you made and you could actually go back in time and make a different decision and go take a different path and it would show you exactly what would your life be or what would have happened if you chose a different option than you already chose.

Speaker 1 34:45

That'd be interesting.

Speaker 4 34:49

I'm trying to think what it's called. There's definitely a name to it. I forget the name, but you can actually tap in a different. You know and I know, you know I never really tried it, but I know a lot of people who do meditation and can tap into things that I can't associate with because I don't practice it. But you know, I think you can get to different levels through meditation and different means.

Speaker 3 35:26

I'm pretty sure Dustin said he was pretty big on trying to meditate at one point.

Speaker 1 35:31

Yeah, I was doing the gateway experience. Have you ever heard of that?

Speaker 4 35:41

Not particularly.

Speaker 1 35:46

It was this I'd like to hear. It was this meditation that was designed by uh I can't think of the guy's name, um but it ended up getting into the hands of the cia and the cia was using it to uh do remote viewing and astral travel. I think they even came up with a whole manual on how to operate and use the program and there was, like I think, eight to 12 different tapes. They were like a half hour to 45 minute long meditations. It was interesting. I was doing it for a little while and life was different at that time for me. I felt happier. I was doing like a lot of TikTok stuff. I was reading tarot and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 36:36

I mean, could you actually project to another place yourself? I?

Speaker 1 36:42

don't know, did you get that?

Speaker 4 36:44

far, or did you just kind of?

Speaker 1 36:48

I don't know if I was like going other places, because it's like what you're experiencing is all in your head, so it's like. It's almost like I kind of feel like I'm fabricating it in a way, but also, I mean, there's no proof to say that I'm not. That's why I was. I was asking luke the other day. I was like why don't we try this together and we'll do it at the same time and maybe, maybe we? There's some similarities that might line up that might confirm that there's something happening here.

Speaker 4 37:34

Yeah, we were at the Ross house last weekend with our group that we kind of do things with and there were two women there that they said they tap into each other's brains and feel or see what the other one's feeling, which is, I guess it's kind of on the same lines as what you're saying. There stage she can actually jump into this other one's brain and they can share thoughts and talk and see the same things. And you know I was like holy shit, that freaked me out.

Speaker 1 38:16

Hey Luke, did you ever get to?

Speaker 4 38:18

watch. You know, like you said, it's all in the brain. And, like what I was saying earlier, if you can get on the same frequency as, like, you and Luke are on a different frequency, if you could tap in to just like a radio station, you know you go to FM, you can tap in, you know 20 different channels. If you guys could tap in to 96 know 20 different channels, if you guys could tap in the 96.2 individually, then you might be able to hook up and sync to the same frequency as far as that goes.

Speaker 1 38:53

Yeah, I thought that maybe if we recorded audio or video while we were doing it individually, that we could document it somehow. That would be interesting to post, post maybe on YouTube or something.

Speaker 3 39:08

Yep, have you ever seen a Bigfoot? I don't think you have, but have you ever seen anything?

Bigfoot, UFOs, and Beyond

Speaker 4 39:15

I haven't seen one. But we were, I know, like up the cabin. Steve, my brother-in-law and Luke's uncle claims he saw he actually saw one where we go fishing across a power line and walked across Now a year or so ago. Don and I were up there and it was probably 2 o'clock in the morning. I went outside and was smoking a cigarette on the deck up there and she come out and we heard a scream. I swear to God, it sounded like a lady screaming her lungs out at the top of the mountain. I mean, I know what a coyote sounds like, I know what animals sound like. She actually freaked out and ran back inside. She's like what the hell was that? I'm like, you know.

Speaker 2 40:14

I'm not saying it was a.

Speaker 4 40:15

Bigfoot, but I've heard stories where creatures or even spirits try to lure you somewhere. You know where. They'll make a noise or they'll try to get you into the woods or get you alone, and you'll have an experience, whether good, bad or otherwise, once that happens. But I think things can lure you into places and I don't know if that was something trying to get me to come to see what the hell it was, or if it was actually something there. Are you?

Speaker 3 40:53

sure it wasn't a rabbit.

Speaker 4 40:55

I'm positive, I mean I don't know.

Speaker 2 40:59

I didn't stick around, I went inside. It was. I got scared.

Speaker 3 41:03

My first thought was where did he go? That's what you said when we heard that scream at home.

Speaker 4 41:07

No, I mean I've heard rabbits getting killed. I mean when we lived in Brookline we had rabbits. You'd be sitting there and you'd hear a rabbit getting eaten or screaming. This was different, but this was. It sounded like a woman, just like screaming at the top of her lungs and I mean it was like I know it wasn't an owl or a coyote or anything like that and I was like I looked at her and I'm like, did you hear that? And she's like she bolted, she was gone, she went inside yeah, my first thought is Wendigo, yeah, they say, they can change their voice too.

Speaker 1 41:45

Yeah, and I think that's like their thing is. They try to lure you into the woods.

Speaker 4 41:52

Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, I mean, I was really afraid. There's not much that scares me or makes me afraid and I was half tempted. But it was in the middle of the night and I just didn't want to go out in the woods in the middle of the night. Plus I whatever.

Speaker 3 42:14

Well, that one year, during hunting season, I remember I think it was me, uncle Will and Zach Jake and Maggie been out there. I think it was me, uncle Will, and Zach Jake and Mike had been up there, I'm not sure we went and took a walk behind a cabin one night and there was snow on the ground. We heard this massive thing running up on the hill Whatever, this thing was huge and it was moving fast. Yeah, I'm not sure if they remember, but I remember hearing it.

Speaker 4 42:50

Now, were you with us at the time? Courtney shot at that deer up by that pond and then we went the next day and we found that big frickin' nest on the ground. Were you with us?

Speaker 3 43:06

I don't remember that.

Speaker 4 43:09

It looked like a big nest. Some would be sleeping there. It was probably 10 feet. There was all kinds of branches and leaves and packed. It almost had a little bit of a roof like you could lay there out of the weather, and I was like man, what the hell is that thing? It was kind of weird. And then I don't know. I've seen weird tree structures. I'm not saying they were Bigfoot.

Speaker 4 43:43

We've seen that one when we was riding through the mountains. But we were driving around and we seen like I don't know, it's like a big teepee almost made out of branches. It wasn't a natural thing, I mean, it was some intelligent thing. It could have been a person.

Speaker 4 44:00

But it was right there at the road that it could have been a person, but it was right there at the road and it was kind of right on the edge of the road and I stopped the car and I said to her I'm like look at that. And I actually took a picture of it Because I was like man, that's kind of weird because it wasn't by any cabins or anything.

Speaker 3 44:21

It was just out of the middle of nowhere. That is weird. Yeah, that's cool. Now what's your theory on UFFs? I want nothing.

Speaker 1 44:40

That's cool UFOs.

Speaker 4 44:45

Yeah, I mean, you got to. You know our galaxy is huge. You know what I mean? We can't even comprehend how big our galaxy is, and we're one of a million galaxies. There's no end, according to whoever come up with the theory that there's no end to space. So I would think that, as far as it's pretty sad for us to think we're the only intelligent species or anything that could be out there, I believe there's aliens. I mean, I don't believe all these YouTube videos people dressing costumes, running behind houses and shit. I'm not saying some of them might not be real, but I believe there's stuff out there.

Speaker 4 45:38

I mean it's so bad, you know how many planets other than Earth could support life of some type?

Speaker 3 45:47

We just listened to a podcast yesterday about it was back in 2018 in Las Vegas where they said aliens landed in the backyard.

Speaker 2 46:05

Yeah.

Speaker 3 46:05

They're like 10 feet tall creatures.

Speaker 4 46:09

Right? You know, I don't. I think it's possible and you know, if you just think of humans, you know, within the last 100, 200 years we've come technologically way more advanced than you know. Say, a thousand years from now, what's going to be going on, you know. Then they have these wormholes and black holes and things where you could travel. You know like I'll use this as an example there's a piece of paper. So if you wanted to go from here to here, you would have to travel that whole distance from here. But if you folded the paper in half per se, those two points are right there, you know what I mean so you could travel from here to there a hell of a lot more quicker than you could go from here to there.

Speaker 3 47:15

Well, they actually have a name for that. I was having it the other day. It's called the accordion effect, so like if the accordion is the way out this way and it's going to take longer to travel that distance than if the accordion is closed yeah, that's kind of the same theory yeah but they call it the accordion effect you know, and like time's not a constant either, we associate as humans.

Speaker 4 47:52

You know this is year 2023, it's, you know, 11 o'clock, whatever, but you know, in space, time could isn't a constant. So you could, you know what we associate as an hour could be. You know, a split second or less than that, even somewhere else. We're just so programmed to think that. You know they're saying this is 2023, but the world and the Earth have been around for a million years, so it's actually the year 2,752,000.

Speaker 3 48:36

No, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 4 48:43

You know we associate in our program. You know, from the day we're born to think this. You know this ain't real. This is real. You know. I think, if you're open and that you have an open mind, anything's possible. I don't disbelieve anything. I think anything's possible.

Speaker 1 49:07

Yeah, talking about the wormholes. I'm sorry. No, I was just talking about the wormholes and stuff, reminding me of that podcast we were listening to the other day about that plane in Malaysia. It was around 2013 or 2014 that had disappeared.

Speaker 4 49:34

Okay.

Speaker 1 49:37

Have you heard about that? So what are you saying?

Speaker 4 49:39

It went to another dimension, yeah yeah, they have video of it.

Speaker 1 49:45

Um, from satellites. They had produced a 3d uh video showing that it, it just it had what there was like three orbs that was encircling it and its flight path, and then all of a sudden there's, like this, this black portal or something that had opened up and the plane flew into it and it just disappeared.

Speaker 4 50:07

I mean, like I said, there's nothing I don't disbelieve or don't think's possible. You know I'm more. You know there's people that gotta see it to believe it. Where I'm more like you know you gotta prove it don't, or it's impossible before I won't believe something.

Speaker 1 50:34

Yeah, I think I'm looking at it the same way.

Speaker 3 50:35

Yeah, we have people out right that are like so closed-minded they don't believe in any of that.

Speaker 4 50:42

Well, you know your program from the day you're born what's real, what's not real, what people tell you, what your parents tell you. You know you're one of the fortunate people, luke, that I didn't really try to program you into disbelieving anything. Had experiences of your own growing up where you would be more open to things than maybe some other people.

Speaker 3 51:14

Yeah, dustin said he had some experiences growing up too.

Speaker 1 51:21

Yeah. Like what Tell me something.

Speaker 4 51:26

I want to hear your side too honestly, I think they were telling that story.

Speaker 3 51:33

Tell them that story about when you were in the church. That's interesting, I like that.

Speaker 1 51:37

oh okay, yeah, so, um, my mom and I went out to the periopolis uh cemetery and I don't know if you've been out there or not. There's a one room dirt floor church that sits right in the middle up on the hill and, uh, we went out there with my homemade spirit box. I bought a radio shack radio and I rewired it so that it would siphon through like the channels and uh right, we're in the middle of this church going, flipping through the channels and it stopped.

Speaker 1 52:06

It's and church going, flipping through the channels and it stopped. And it stopped on a religious channel and it was like this, this male voice just chanting in this low, monotone voice. I have no idea what he was chanting, but my mom was like just just hit the button to make it go again. So I pushed the button and it started going again. It went like three or four channels and it stopped again. And on another religious channel is this little girl talking about the holy ghost and backsliders and um it just. The whole place gives you an eerie feeling. My mom, she's like shut it off, put it back in the book bag, be nice and slow, and we're gonna walk out of here. I was like why she's like? Because you can't let them know that we're afraid.

Speaker 4 52:44

I'm like, mom, I'm pretty sure they already know. Is that building open to the public? I don't think that it is now.

Speaker 1 52:51

I think that they closed it off, since.

Speaker 4 52:57

Yeah.

Speaker 3 53:02

We'll have to try it one day to get out to the cemetery or something, or one weekend to try to get out. Yeah, that'd be cool, that'd be fun.

Speaker 4 53:10

I mean dawn kind of freaks me out when we go to cemeteries. We'll be driving up the cabin. We'll see a little cemetery, you know. I'll park the car and we'll get out and we'll be standing there and she's like oh, there's an old lady, mary, standing down there. She'd say her name where she's at. It's not where we're standing, it's down the road and shit. We'll walk down there and you'll see a headstone that says Mary, whatever the last name is. She freaks me out. I'm like man. I'm like how she's like oh, I see her standing there. I'm like, how do you think I don't see shit.

Speaker 1 53:57

But that's crazy.

Speaker 4 54:00

I guess yeah.

Speaker 1 54:04

I think a lot of the experiences I had were my fault, because I was messing with some stuff I shouldn't have been Early on. I had access to the internet. I was looking up seances and rituals and spells and doing them without any knowledge of it and, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess guess you know I a buddy of mine.

Speaker 4 54:35

He's kind of into all that stuff that I'm not really into and the darker side of things.

Speaker 3 54:43

But I don't know. I talked to him the other day and I asked him if he'd like to come on. He said yeah, he just has to make time.

Speaker 4 54:53

But he has a whole different outlook on, you know, organized religions and the occult and all that. You know. I can't say I disagree with them about a lot of it. You know because, like the Catholic Church makes Satan not to be this big bad. You know, big bad thing. But if you look, satan was actually an angel. You know what I mean. He just went in a different direction.

Beliefs, Open-Mindedness, and Closing Thoughts

Speaker 4 55:27

So he wasn was actually an angel. You know what I mean. He just went in a different direction. So he wasn't always an evil, bad creature. So you know, he just took a different path. Which is it right, wrong, indifferent, bad, good is how you interpret it. So say you look at it as well, he's still an angel. I could worship an angel. Or they took a different path than the Christian faith. And you know they always say you know, these devil worshipers kill people and this, that, but in reality, you know, christians have probably killed a hell of a lot more people than Satanists have. You know, because even today there's a place where you go, where you say you don't believe in God, they kill you right on the fucking spot.

Speaker 4 56:25

You know, what I mean, so you, know it is what it is. It's all I mean. I'm not saying I worship Satan and all that, but you know it's all on how you look at things too. Like that's back to you know your program from a little child thinking this is right and wrong, and you know yeah.

Speaker 3 56:51

Now there's a theory out there. You know where Nephilim is right A what Nephilim?

Speaker 4 56:59

You can remind me. The name doesn't sound familiar, but I'm sure if you describe it, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 57:08

In the Bible they say Nephilim as giant, like falling angels. They're giant people and there's a theory out there that Bigfoot could be a part of these Nephilims.

Speaker 4 57:29

I don't know, I'm not sure about that, but you know, I mean, it's a proven fact that Gigantopithecus existed on Earth, you know, back in the Ice Age and all that. I would think it's more plausible that something like that could survive undetected, you know.

Speaker 3 57:53

I don't know. I mean, even if they're interdimensional, you're not going to be able to detect them all the time.

Speaker 4 57:59

Right. I mean there's so many things that I don't know the answer to, and I'm not going to pretend I know all the answers because I don't.

Speaker 3 58:10

Now, is there any reason why you think they haven't came up with a body or anything like that?

Speaker 4 58:21

Well, that could be an interdimensional thing too. Or you know they could bury their dead. You know if it's an actual creature. I mean we bury things and you know. I mean there's depends on who you want to believe. There's like DNA and scientific unexplained things, proven they exist. You know, maybe a hair or something or some type of thing.

Speaker 4 58:58

But as far as why they haven't found a body, it could be because it's interdimensional. That would make total sense. Or you know they're out in nature also, they live in the middle of nowhere with other animals and you know where. You know if or become, you know. But as far as, like I know you know up the cottage, like we have a place up in Somerset, that's all woods. I mean, I really think if you gave me an hour and a half head start, you'd never find me. If I really wanted and I'm just me, I don't spend every day and every night and everything else out there but I think you could detect somebody coming and their senses are so much you know they could have the nose of a dog, you know the eyes of an eagle, you don't know. Yeah, I hate to cut you off the eyes of an eagle, you don't know.

Speaker 3 1:00:07

Yeah, I hate to cut you off, but we're going to end it here.

Speaker 2 1:00:12

That works for me.

Speaker 3 1:00:12

And. I will definitely have you back on again sometime soon.

Speaker 4 1:00:16

Anytime, man, it was good talking to you guys yeah thanks for coming on.

Speaker 1 1:00:21

Thank you so?

Speaker 4 1:00:21

much.

Speaker 3 1:00:23

No problem. Thanks everybody for listening to Exploring the UN. We enjoyed talking to my dad this week. If you'd like to get more of the Exploring the UN, we have a Facebook page, youtube and we have a podcast or dropped. We can listen to the podcast.

Speaker 1 1:00:45

Absolutely Cool, thanks everybody, thanks. Giving recognition to the podcast absolutely cool, thanks everybody, thanks, bye.