Ep.68: The Haunting Vessel: When Dolls Come To Life

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Speaker 2 0:08

Something crosses the road. It's skeletal-like, fleshy, and it stands up and then it kind of just almost leaps.

Speaker 1 0:18

They look back and they see one Clear as day. It walks five feet away from my audio recorder.

Speaker 2 0:29

He just called me, but holy crap.

Speaker 1 0:32

I've been pinched, I've been tapped on the shoulder, I've had my name hollered. A hand came up underneath my left arm. I said little son of a bitch, try to get me.

Speaker 2 0:43

That was the time that I decided you don't sleep inside that building. Did you see that the calquer? It's big, it's white, it runs faster than any man could ever run and it would lean out behind the tree. Listen, that's why we never go out, Because the builder will get you.

Speaker 1 1:14

Welcome to another episode of Exploring the Unite. I'm Luke, I'm Dustin. This week we are talking about dolls. They sit there quietly on the shelves, freezing smiles, glass eyes. But some dolls don't stay still, From whispered curses and growling hair to scratched walls and bleeding shadows. These aren't toys, they are vessels. They are stories. They're haunted. This week we dive into eerie legends, chilling encounters and real-life horrors behind cursed playthings like Annabelle, Robert, Peggy and beyond. So dim the lights and lock the toy boxes Back speaker oh, haunted dolls.

Speaker 2 2:13

So how do you feel about haunted dolls? There was a word that you had mentioned that made me you know. There's some things that I had found. What's your opinion on dolls, though I'm skeptical on haunted dolls.

Speaker 1 2:29

Why? I think it's some dolls that I'm skeptical about, because you can have a doll and be like, oh, it's the most haunted doll in the world, but it's really not. I mean, we can talk about the Annabelle doll in a little bit, but you know my theory on Annabelle, but I'm skeptical about them. It's just one of those things where theory on Annabelle I'm skeptical about them. It's just one of those things where I have to see it to believe it. In this situation, I'm you.

Speaker 2 3:17

Okay, well, let me ask you this. Let's say you're in a thrift store, right, and you're walking through and you see this doll on the shelf. Okay, now, maybe there's 30 dolls on this shelf, but there's this one doll that just makes you feel like like it's watching you or like you know, like it's looking at you and and it knows something that you don't, or something. You know what I mean. Why is it that that doll out of the 30 dolls is the one that makes you feel some type of way? I think you're picking up on something, maybe?

Speaker 1 3:59

but you know how I feel about dolls. Um, I might mentioned this in earlier episodes, but dolls freak me the hell out. I do not like dolls. Dolls freak me out. There's something about them that just freak me out, and after watching Annabelle and all these movies about dolls, they didn't make it any better. My sister's room was full of porcelain dolls growing up and they freaked me the hell out. She had them on shelves all the way around her room and they just, I don't know, they freaked me out. They just I don't know, they freak me out, like after watching the NFL and all that just made dolls freak me out More freaky. So there's something about dolls that just maybe it's because they look realistic and they look human, but there's something about them that freaks me out.

Speaker 2 5:04

So it doesn't matter what doll it is that freaks me out.

Speaker 1 5:06

so it doesn't matter what doll it is, it freaks you out um, I have to say the Annabelle dolls don't really freak me out because it's a Raggedy Ann doll like porcelain dolls um sounds like it's mainly porcelain dolls not the ones that look realistic Sounds like it's mainly porcelain dolls the ones that look realistic and the doll is just like a ragged doll and it's not creepy.

Speaker 2 5:34

Have you ever seen some of those dolls that they have out now that like blink and move and breathe no. It's like Megan. Megan was a doll that could like that movie. You've seen it. Did you see Megan? I did see Megan. Yeah, Did that kind of just add to the terror?

Speaker 1 5:58

The thing that freaks me about that, maybe, is how AI is nowadays. The Megan doll didn't freak me out. Yeah, like the stuff that happened in that movie could actually happen. That's the part that freaked me out more. Yeah, but like what they did with Megan to make her AI and recognize you, have you feeling how like she can recognize emotions and she can get emotional, but that freaked me out about that movie Because, like we're right there, yes, we were right there, that could actually happen.

Speaker 2 6:47

Yeah, I don't know. I don you know we're smart enough as a as a species that we're not gonna. You know we're gonna have some fail safes in place I would think we're bringing back dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 6:59

Have you never seen jurassic park?

Speaker 2 7:02

I have, but I are we Nothing like crazy, though Like obviously something, that's you know.

Speaker 1 7:10

No, but they're being able to recreate. Bring back woolly mammoths.

Speaker 2 7:18

Well, I'm not worried about a woolly mammoth.

Speaker 1 7:19

Yeah, I know, but like you just said there, are we really that? Are we sparring enough to not deal with that type of shit? Clearly not, because we're bringing back prehistoric animals after people have seen Jurassic Park.

Speaker 2 7:34

I mean, I'm pretty sure they're not going to be like let's bring back some T-Rexes or something, and then you know you don't think that we're? Capable of of? Do you not think that we're capable of like containing a t-rex now?

Speaker 1 7:47

you're gonna look back on this episode whenever they bring back a t-rex. Damn um, remember when I said they're not gonna bring back a t-rex well, how did we get here? This is not what we Because he said I don't think humans are going to create a real-life Megan doll.

The Annabelle Controversy

Speaker 2 8:53

They did have some that were close. Yes, I know Yubo or something like that. Did you see that one? It was like the personal desk assistant. It had like a face and stuff. It was all like led.

Speaker 1 9:08

But no, I didn't see that huh.

Speaker 2 9:14

Well, let's get back to these dolls. What you had said vessel did before hold. Before I get asked about that, did you know that dolls at one point in time weren't supposed to have faces, or something along the lines of that?

Speaker 1 9:34

I'm okay with that, because the faces are the part that freaks me out.

Speaker 2 9:39

I don't remember why, though Hold on, I wrote it down in my notes. I don't know, though Hold on, I wrote it down in my notes. I don't know, face or star might be, oh no, it was Amish dolls. Amish dolls, no faces equals humility, equality, no vanity.

Speaker 1 9:53

Mm-hmm, I don't get that.

Speaker 2 9:59

I thought it was more of like a bad omen or something.

Speaker 1 10:06

That might be more terrifying a doll with no face. You've seen that doll my dad had with no eyes.

Speaker 2 10:15

Yeah, Jolly has it now. Jolly, how's that doing for you, buddy? I'd be curious to know.

Speaker 1 10:24

He got all the dolls, some of the dolls. My dad had A couple of the dolls we had here. Yeah, he can have them.

Speaker 2 10:35

I'm excited for those dolls.

Speaker 1 10:37

to be honest with you, so, Rene, so you can have them.

Speaker 2 10:42

Well, I didn't specifically ask that I was testing the waters. I was. I was said how would you feel? I said, or no, what did I say? I said something along the lines of um, you remember how I said I wanted a haunted doll? She's like, yeah, it was. She's confused because dolls freak me out too. Porcelain dolls specifically, they, I don't know, there's just I just feel weird about them. Just, you know, certain dolls have this feeling about them that just make me kind of go, and a lot of dolls do that. Um, but like, not like, uh, raggedy ann doll well, actually, no, raggedy Ann doll. Well, actually, no, raggedy Ann doll. Definitely I told you about the Uh-oh, I'm still here. Oh, did I tell you about the About a long time ago with Arizona and the Raggedy Ann doll?

Speaker 1 11:44

No, I didn't tell you about a long time ago with Arizona and the Raggedy.

Speaker 2 11:46

Andal, no, I didn't tell you that Uh-uh A long time ago. It was like 2 o'clock in the morning. I'm a night person. I stay up at night and I'm sitting on the couch watching TV and from the hall or from the couch I could see down the hall. And from the hall or from the couch I could see down the hall. And at the end of the hall was Arizona's room, which is my oldest daughter for anybody that doesn't know that's listening and she always had her TV on at nighttime. So the light from the TV you can see on the hallway. And I look up and I see her silhouette standing in the doorway with the TV static behind her and she's holding this Raggedy Ann doll. And she comes running down the hallway right up to me, throws the Raggedy Ann doll on the couch besides me and says I don't want it in my room, it's freaking me out, and then she went back to bed.

Speaker 2 12:40

I kind of briefly remember that back to bed.

Speaker 1 12:41

I kind of.

Speaker 2 12:45

I briefly remember that that point. I was like you know you, maybe you should take the doll back to your room. I don't want that, but yeah so.

Speaker 1 13:03

Yeah, I just don't. That was true, yeah, so yeah, I just don't.

Speaker 2 13:07

So you know now, now Renee knows about the dolls, I wanted to kind of keep it low key, though to an extent I want to, no, I didn't. So the reason that I wanted to keep it low key is is and maybe she might not be okay with this, but I wanted to see if bringing the dolls here would bring about some, you know, if the kids start saying stuff or she starts saying things. But I had to get semi-approval so I just asked her remember when you said you, you be okay with that. Okay, it's just just asking.

Speaker 2 13:48

All right so what's your?

Speaker 1 13:53

first star you want to talk about oh man, I don't know I.

Speaker 2 13:58

so we have the three most well-known annabelle, peggy and robert, and then I know I we talked about it before the show I have one and you have one that are kind of lesser known but are kind of interesting too. So you know what? Let's start with annabelle, because that's like the most recent thing that's been on everybody's mind, I feel so earlier you had mentioned your thoughts on Annabelle and that we would talk about it later, so now I'm curious what are your thoughts on Annabelle?

Speaker 1 14:33

My thoughts on Annabelle. I don't think it's as hard as they say. I guess With pop culture now the whole Annabelle movies, the whole Conjuring movies they make this doll bigger than what it really is. I just have that feeling when I look at Annabelle through a picture or a video of Annabelle, it doesn't give me that bad vibe like everybody says it does. So I feel like it's more hyped up than it really is. That's how I feel about Vanderbilt.

Speaker 2 15:20

You know I would have to agree with you to an extent, and I'm. My extent is still unsure. You know I can't. Yeah, we did have some consecutive weird things happen, but I'm still out here going. But is it though?

Speaker 1 15:48

Well, I showed you that video a couple of days ago, where the guy said would you test it? Fear controls a lot of things and so many people are fearful of Annabelle. It's cursed, there's demons attached to it, there's this, there's that If you touch it, something bad's going to happen. It's cursed. But people are so fearful of that they start to believe it, and all you need is one person to start believing something like that and it's true. Then they pass it on, pass it on, pass it on and everybody is going to be scared of this thing. So now fear is controlling you, being like oh, this is all so haunted. This is the most haunted doll in the world possessed by demons yeah, you get enough people saying it and it becomes true.

Speaker 1 16:51

Yes, then we're making it in our own minds that this doll is possessed by demons well, here's my question.

Speaker 2 17:02

So maybe that's the case, but there has been things that have happened with Annabelle that can't be explained. What do you, what would you say about those things? Do you think that maybe the, the activity is still real, but it is, you know, just us making it happen and we, we're we're out here thinking it's something else I think, yeah, there's stuff that does happen.

Speaker 1 17:30

With this stuff I'm not. I think it could be haunted, but I don't think it is as haunting as they say. It is my personal opinion. But if you, if people want to say, oh yeah, it's the most haunted ball, but that's just my personal opinion, if people want to say, oh yeah, it's the most haunted ball, but that's just my personal opinion, do you think, but do you think that we can believe something so much that it actually produces some sort of physical reaction?

Speaker 2 17:59

you're manifesting it you're manifesting, you're manifesting this thing to're manifesting, whatever.

Speaker 1 18:04

So, like what we've talked about before, yeah, you're manifesting this thing to be the most haunted doll in the world. Then you manifest all this energy. So maybe it is haunting and maybe it's just not haunted by you.

Speaker 2 18:20

I just had this thought and it was really fast. I thought, oh, that would be kind of you know, a fun kind of gag or prank or whatever. If, like, I had this thing that I like passed down to the kids and was like this is the most haunted object that the that our family owns and like never told them that it was like not, it was just some you know thing I ordered on Amazon and then they passed it down to their kids and they kept going and kept going, and kept going until it had activity and things like that. But then my mind went but what if you die? And because you played this trick for so long, you're dead yeah.

Speaker 1 18:57

It still wouldn't be a doll.

Speaker 2 19:00

It still wouldn't be a doll. I said it just don't like to be a doll. I said just don't let it be a doll. No, see the doll that just you know. I feel like it has to be a doll. It only makes sense. It can't be like the haunted pen. That's stupid. It might not be a pen.

Speaker 1 19:19

It might be something like Maybe like a bigger statue, or something like that.

Speaker 2 19:27

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Speaker 1 19:33

Or a teddy bear.

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Speaker 1 20:00

Well, let's go back to Annabelle. We can run along with Tamsin there. So they say Annabelle. Well, let's start with the type of doll Annabelle is, which mostly everybody already knows. Annabelle is a Raggedy Ann doll. They say it was haunted since 1970. Okay, 70. And the origin story behind Annabelle given to a nursing student named Donna by her mother. Soon after the doll began behaving strangely, changing positions, leaving hanging notes and appearing in the rooms that had them and nothing. Now that would be terrifying. If I got a note from a hand from a doll, I'm gone, I'm leaving that whole house Bye.

Speaker 2 20:54

You're just going to drop everything and leave. Looks gone. You're going to leave and as soon as you get in your car it's going to be there.

Speaker 1 21:04

I don't know what I'm going to do.

Speaker 2 21:08

I'm going to move out of state. You move out of state and you get to your new house and you walk in and it's there.

Speaker 1 21:17

I don't even know what I'm going to do. I don't even know, If that was the situation, what would you do? You moved out of state and then disappeared in your new house. What would you do in that situation?

Speaker 2 21:36

Well, I honestly don't know. Honestly, thinking about it, it's like I would probably go insane, I would probably lose my mind Eventually. No, there's just no possible way that that could even happen, you know, unless somebody was in on it.

Speaker 1 21:57

Okay, yeah, what if nobody was in on it and it just magically appeared at your new house?

Speaker 2 22:04

You know, that's the kind of experience that I want to have, because at this point I'm still like I'd be scared as shit.

Speaker 2 22:18

So I heard about this story. I think they might have told it whenever we went and met Annabelle. I don't know if we really talked about that on the podcast. So we went to Gettysburg I don't know if we really talked about that on the podcast so we went to Gettysburg Was that two weekends ago? And I got to meet Annabelle. But we all went on this camping trip and we had some weird things happen. I guess more so. I had some weird things happen. You had weird things happen at the campground, but my whole trip was weird. Was it Annabelle? We had Well, I don't know, because I did that video saying is it possible to conjure up annabelle's energy by messing with something that's attached to her?

Speaker 2 23:12

you know name yeah I don't know, I don't know that. I believe that, but anyways, this story. Uh, so apparently this one dude mocked her at the war Museum. He was like tapping on the glass. He left and he died in a motorcycle accident that same day.

Speaker 1 23:33

Yeah, but it's interesting that could just be coincidental. It's very non-coincidental.

Speaker 2 23:40

We met Dan Rivera said that every time he moves the doll that something weird happens and he died Sunday. Yeah, I'm not saying that. Don't let this blow up and be the reason that people start spreading that rumor. God.

Speaker 1 24:04

Dustin didn't do it. No, I didn't. Yeah, it's weird, very ironic how that happens and very you can make it very believable. But he's been handling her for how long, a long time, years. And now all of a sudden it happened. It just doesn't seem right to me he's been doing this for how long he's been doing all these protective things to make sure nothing bad happens. And all of a sudden it happens. I mean like I sudden it happens, I mean like I said it's very questionable.

Speaker 2 24:54

He's been handling Annabelle for more than 10 years. Here's something else that's interesting, though. Me and Ella watched an episode of Sam and Colby the other day with Annabelle. Dan Rivera was in the video and I think Colby or Sam said something about Colby was under Estes and Sam said something about Annabelle's power or how she's powerful, or something like that, and so she supposedly came through the thing and said just wait and see, or something like that, and along those lines just wait. That was like seven months ago, do you think? Do you think that maybe she was?

Speaker 2 25:36

no no, I mean it's a far stretch.

Speaker 1 25:40

Yeah, kinda, I mean it's very possible, but I think it's a far stretch. But I think it's a far stretch, but I can learn one where the people who started investing in this call and I'm not saying this in a bad way or anything like that, but there's a lot of people that believe I'm learning one where hoaxes they weren't really yeah.

Speaker 1 26:06

So I'm not saying they are. I'm not saying they are, but there's a lot of people that say they are, and if that's the case then it could all just be a hair. It cannot really be me. Like I said, it could have something attached to it, but not what we think it is. And to have it locked in a glass case and I understand the whole case is built with holy water staying on the thing and all these things.

Speaker 2 26:47

Like prayers and stuff.

Speaker 1 26:48

Yeah, yeah, it takes something that bad. Do you really think that's going to contain it?

Speaker 2 26:59

I would. I would hope so. If it's actually you know, you would hope so, but locked in a glass case?

Speaker 1 27:06

You would hope so, but locked in a glass case, why can't it escape through the glass? I mean, granted, like we said, xr built our original stuff standing holy water and holy oils, but why can't it not come through? Why can't a spirit?

Speaker 2 27:32

come through glass. It's my thing, I don't know, I don't. I don't know that it can't exactly.

Speaker 1 27:41

So why can't it just come through the glass?

Speaker 2 27:43

well, I think. I think that it's not that it can't come through the glass, it's to showcase Annabelle first off, yeah, and to keep it locked up Because, like you had said earlier dolls, they say that they're a vessel, so that whatever it is is attached to that doll. So I mean, I don't know, I don't know the reason that they do things. I don't understand what's that? How do you feel about them moving them around? About moving the doll around? Yeah, I think that I don't know. I don't know because there was, there was weird things that happened in the places that it went and because of the reputation the doll has, people are going to blame it on that. You know those things on the doll like the plantation and things like that. I don't know those things on the doll like the plantation and things like that. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we are what we believe and it is what we believe it to be.

Speaker 1 28:58

Yeah, I mean it's very interesting. On the Annabelle doll I mean all haunted dolls are weird to begin with, but I think there's something about Annabelle that is weirder about all the other dolls. Like, this is all about the doll, this is Peggy the doll. Why aren't they bringing those ones on tour too? Is there something different about those dolls that's maybe not as haunting as Annabelle, maybe not possessed with seven demons or something like that, but why is it Annabelle?

Speaker 1 29:40

That's the one Next. All this big pop and everything like that, like, ooh, it's the scariest all in the world. I mean honestly, I think Peggy the doll, it's more terrifying than Annabelle.

Speaker 2 30:00

Well, has Peggy or Robert been on tour? No, are you sure?

Speaker 1 30:06

Yeah, Robert the dolls in Key West. No, Are you sure? Yeah, robert is in Key West, florida. He's in a fort museum.

Speaker 2 30:24

Okay, so Robert has only left Key West once in 2008. Peggy does not travel, so my opinion is that it was because of the reputation that Annabelle has. I agree, I mean, I feel like it's yeah.

Speaker 1 30:48

Well, let's talk about Robert the Dog.

Robert the Doll's Rules

Speaker 2 30:51

Yeah, so I just moved my camera. So Robert is said to cause mischief, breaking things, giggling, moving on its own Right now. It Did you just say no, but right now, uh, robert lives in a museum. He's behind glass. So thank goodness for that, because we all know that glass is what keeps the demons away. Um, visitors, uh, must ask permission to take photos. I found that to be very interesting. You know, I have to take a minute to like recognize my hands, because usually I can't see them in the video, and now I feel like I'm talking a lot with them because now I can see them. So excuse me if I seem awkward with my hands.

Speaker 1 31:49

I don't, with my hands Put them under the desk.

Speaker 2 31:54

I don't like that either. There's something aesthetically pleasing about my hands being on the table. Anyways, go ahead. What do you know? What do you think about Robert needing permission to take Robert's photo?

Speaker 1 32:11

I mean I feel like it's a respect thing. Be like, hey, can I take your photo? I mean, would you want somebody to just come up and randomly take a photo of you? No, Exactly. So I think it's a respect type of thing'm gonna be like, hey, can I take a picture of you? Um, but if I say if you don't and you do it anyways it. There's been often reports of bad accidents and bad luck, which again I'm iffy about that because, like what if it's just coincidence? I mean it could be. It could not be With these types of dollars like that that cause bad luck and accidents. Like what if it's just coincidence? But if it's not, then that's strange.

Speaker 2 33:16

It is strange, and I agree, you know, I feel like it is respectful to ask to take somebody's photo, but a doll, on the other hand, I mean I don't feel like. But if it's haunted by a person, other hand, I mean I don't feel like you should ask if it's haunted by a person.

Speaker 1 33:33

I mean, you're asking a spectator about a person and not the doll.

Speaker 2 33:39

I try to approach it all, assuming that it's not haunted, that it's just in my head. That it's just in my head, yeah, but I was curious as to how we found out that we shouldn't take robert's picture. So I looked it up. So visitors to the fort east martello museum started reporting a string of misfortunes car accidents, broken bones, job losses, even divorces shortly after taking photos of robert, without asking these. Uh so the museum? It eventually began receiving actual letters of apology, often handwritten or emailed, where people begged robert for forgiveness and asked him to lift whatever curse and quotations they believed they had triggered.

Speaker 1 34:29

Yeah, in that type of situation okay, mental type of thing, it's a mental type of thing. So you, there could be just bad stuff happening, bad timing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever. So you're thinking it's bad luck, I've been cursed, cursed. So then you send this apology that I got to, all right, the dog and it's. You feel like it was lifted off your shoulder, like, okay, maybe I shouldn't have done this. Then your head gets back right and you'll be like, okay, maybe everything starts going right. But it's just a whole mental thing. Like maybe there's nothing really going on bad in the beginning. Okay, maybe you bought a lottery ticket you lost. That doesn't mean it's bad luck.

Speaker 1 35:19

Oh, my god, in a car accident, maybe the guy who's driving wasn't paying attention, or the person driving wasn't paying attention, or I accidentally bumped my tail in the corner of the thing. Like you're going to say all this is bad luck, but maybe it's just something that happened that you can't control. You can't control everything. So maybe the bad thing is you got like, oh, it's bad luck. But then your luck changes and everything starts to like nothing bad starts to happen. I mean, everyone goes through a time where something bad happens. You can't control it. So maybe it's just coming together and saying have you seen this doll? Then the bad stuff starts to happen. It's all a mental thing Like oh, I got bad luck. And as soon as you say that letter, your mindset changes like oh, maybe I don't have bad luck anymore.

Speaker 2 36:18

That makes sense. So it kind of really does fall back on the manifesting your own experiences then. See, that's. You know, it sucks, because it's like there's a part of me where it's like yes, that's exactly how this works. And then there's a part of me that's like but is it? Is it though?

Speaker 1 36:45

See now, I believe this situation with the complete opposite. I'm a full believer in the paranormal and you're a skeptic In this type of situation, where it comes to haunted dolls, I'm more the skeptic. It's like is it really them?

Speaker 2 37:05

Yeah, yeah, I like to believe it is but I mean, like with the manifestation thing, like there's a lot that is talked about in like the spiritual community about manifestation and how to do it and things like that. Like, if that is what we are doing on a subconscious level, based off of fear, how do you control that? How do you? No, I don't believe that. I think that you can control it.

Speaker 1 37:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2 37:48

So you don't think that you can consciously manifest something.

Speaker 1 37:53

Yeah, I think it's possible.

Speaker 2 37:57

My question is how.

Speaker 1 38:02

You're going to fall asleep. Do you have anything else you'd like to talk about, robert?

Speaker 2 38:13

no, I think that's pretty much with robert. Um, I know we're coming up on our 40 minute mark here soon and we got we got a couple of other dolls here. So what do you want to do? I know we have the, you know peggy, and then do you? We want to finish them all out.

Speaker 1 38:33

Yeah, we can do that. I need to get dinner here, so I've got to get here soon too. We can talk about Peggy briefly and we can talk about these other dolls pretty briefly. Peggy was discovered in the UK by an investigator, by Jane Harris, I think that's how you pronounce it. She's a typical plastic doll with blonde hair and blue eyes. The origin story behind Peggy came from a previous era where she claimed the doll was cursed Nightmares and extreme anxiety.

Peggy and Okiku: Lesser-Known Haunted Dolls

Speaker 1 39:17

Again, it's all mental things. I mean nightmares you can't really control, but like extreme anxiety, I feel like that's all mental. It says causes physical symptoms through photographs and video nausea, chest pains and migraines. So you're telling me if I look at this picture of Peggy, I'm going to get sick, chest pains and migraines. That's hard for me to believe, but I mean it's possible, where you can feel the energy from the spirit through a picture A lot of people can't, which, if that's the case, if you're feeling nauseous, sick, chest pains and migraines by looking at a picture of this doll, I think you're more sensitive than you think you are, Because not a normal person is going to look at this picture and be like, oh, I feel sick, my chest hurts, my head hurts. I think if you're that psychic enough where you can look through this picture and say I feel these symptoms, I think that's wise, Because you are more able to read pictures and feel something through pictures.

Speaker 2 40:34

So that's assuming that the doll's haunted yes.

Speaker 1 40:37

Yeah, but again, it could be a manifestation thing If they put this through out to so many people. If you look at a picture, it can cause this physical pain. Now, yeah, it's gonna make you think that. So now you're gonna mentally be like, oh, I'm getting sick because I'm looking at this picture.

Speaker 2 41:07

Um, yeah, if you already have it in your head. Yeah, yeah, I get that. I think that is a big part of a lot of these very popular haunted dolls. Not that they're actually haunted, not saying that they can't be haunted.

Speaker 1 41:30

But I'm just saying that maybe they're not as haunted as we think that they are. Now, this is interesting, it said, went viral from reporting affecting viewers remotely Remote viewing. This dog can do remote viewing, which.

Speaker 2 41:44

I think is hard to believe. Wait, hold on. Does it say remote? Read it again.

Speaker 1 41:49

It says went viral for reportedly active Reportedly affecting remote viewing.

Speaker 2 42:00

Yeah, so that just means that people watching the video are getting affected by watching the video.

Speaker 1 42:06

I don't know, Maybe Now this kind of throws me for a loop, because where the location is now the current location of this doll. Take a guess where it's at. Do you have any idea where it's?

Speaker 2 42:20

at Wait. Are we still talking about Peggy? Yeah, we're talking about Peggy, I don't know actually. Actually. Wait, no, no, no, wait, no, I do know it's in Zach Baggins' museum.

Speaker 1 42:34

Yes, You're getting it out there. You have to look for it.

Speaker 2 42:37

No, no, I seen it on Sam and Colby the other day because that was part of the Annabelle episode.

Speaker 1 42:44

So that fills up the right track for me, because I'm not going to get into detail. So maybe it is, maybe it's not. It's hard to say.

Speaker 2 42:57

Yeah.

Speaker 1 43:00

Do you have anything else you'd like to say about Peggy?

Speaker 2 43:04

No, I mean, I feel like all these dolls are pretty much the same. They have something weird about them. Don't touch them, don't take their picture, don't look at them, and I think that it is all mental. But I'm curious to hear about this doll that you have. From what is it Japan?

Speaker 1 43:26

Yeah, tell me, what is it I forgot. I can't remember how you pronounce it Kurui, kurui, something like that. It's O-K-I-K-U.

Speaker 2 43:42

O-K-I-K-U Okiku.

Speaker 1 43:46

Yeah, something like that. I have no idea. I can't speak Japan. So this is a traditional Japanese doll with long black hair, and this has been haunting since the early 20th century. It belonged to a girl named Koyoku, or however you pronounce her name. It belonged to a girl named Koyuki, or however you pronounce her name, so this is the girl's name, who the doll belonged to, and she died at age three.

Speaker 2 44:25

So this girl died at age three. Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 44:27

And the family claimed the doll's hair has begun to grow after her death, which is weird to me because you don't see, this isn't the typical one like oh, if you touch it you're going to be cursed. This is a whole different type of doll. So the activity behind this doll is the hair grows desperate beginning trimmed. So after you trim the hair, it will grow back which there's no dolls.

Speaker 1 45:06

That does that, which is strange to me. Okay, now it says it's contained by the spirit of herself. The girl, three-year-old girl, who passed away, haunts this doll and, um, monks take care of this doll and trim its hair regularly, which is very weird. I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 45:30

Right, so okay, okay. My question is what is the doll's hair? Made of um because I'm pretty sure. Well, then again, you know, I don't know how long this would occur, but I was told that after you die, that your fingernails and your hair still continue to grow. But I don't know, that might not even be true, I might have been misinformed there too.

Speaker 1 46:20

See, I can't figure out what it doesn't really say. Okay, so here's something weird. So results allegedly revealed that the hair was human, Specifically that of a child.

Speaker 2 46:37

Hold on. When did the child die? When did the doll come into the picture? Because now I'm wondering.

Speaker 1 46:48

It doesn't say all that Scientifically proving. It was results that actually revealed that human hair, and specifically of a child.

Speaker 2 47:02

That's so. Strange so strange Hold on. Well, this makes it even more interesting. So I thought that after you die, that your hair and your nails continue to grow. But no, human hair does not continue to grow after you die.

Speaker 1 47:40

So why does dolls? In Japan, go ahead in Japan, dolls are considered spiritual significant.

Speaker 2 47:50

It's considered spiritually truly significant, spiritually significant In Buddhism.

Speaker 1 48:02

Buddhist. I think that's Buddhist. The Uyghur Qidal is cheating. It's not cheating as a toxic attraction Let me yeah. It's not cheating as a choice extraction Let me yeah Extraction, but as a vessel of a young girl's soul Deserving evidence.

Speaker 2 48:23

Very interesting, that is interesting, hmm. Well, do you have any more for us about Okiku?

Speaker 1 48:36

the haunted doll from Japan no, I found that one very interesting. It's not your typical haunted doll no, no, it is not so.

Speaker 2 48:45

I have a story here that I found on reddit about a haunted doll named Amelia. The Redditor claimed to find her in an attic, locked in a sealed wooden case. The doll is said to cause whispering sounds, scratching and vivid nightmares. People say her expression changes in photos over time and some who visited reported cold spots, feeling of being watched and nausea. So Hold on, where is that? Is this the dog you want?

Speaker 1 49:49

to talk about it. Yeah, it is, but I can't find my notes now they're gone.

Speaker 2 49:54

I don't know, I can't find it. I can't find it. I had the full thing, but now I just have the comments from some of the people. Kids found it freaked out, googled it and found some stuff online claiming it was actually haunted. If you Google Amelia the haunted doll, you'll find the same results. Okay, hold on, let's Google this. Amelia the haunted doll, you'll find the same results. Okay, hold on, let's Google this. Amelia the haunted doll. Okay, we have a doll that, according to the internet, is haunted. Whoa, that can't be what that doll looks like. It's got green eyes.

Speaker 1 50:38

Hold on, hold on, it looks creepy yeah. I feel like it has something to do with the eyes.

Speaker 2 51:02

I agree, amelia the haunted doll. See people be selling haunted dolls on ebay. How can you can grab any doll there. She is right there, amelia the haunted doll. Her eyes are green.

Speaker 1 51:24

Buy it.

Speaker 2 51:26

Buy it. They're probably asking a stupid amount of money for it Because that's what they do. This doll is haunted. It's $150. No, that doll's not. You can find that doll at your local Goodwill.

Speaker 1 51:43

Yeah right.

Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Speaker 2 51:47

But yeah, that's pretty much what I had there. Sorry, I thought I had more more, but I guess I didn't let's wrap up this episode yeah, so I don't know if you had mentioned it earlier, but, um, you know, talking to the audience, we'd love to hear your stories. You know haunted dolls, cursed objects, creepy. You know thrift shop finds you ever?

Speaker 1 52:12

have you ever been?

Speaker 2 52:12

to the thrift shop and, like, found some weird, weird stuff. But you can email us at exploring the unknown pod at outlookcom or this is something new you can give us a phone call. Now you can call us and you can leave us a voicemail. The number is 412 533 3483. You know, I'm like curious to see how many weird calls we get.

Speaker 1 52:42

Right, and go check out our new updated website. Dustin did a great job on it. It looks a lot. Did a great job on it. It looks a lot cooler than it was. I really like the O-Rapist I almost said O-Rapist, o-rapist website. But this new website is awesome. You gotta go check it out. Wwwexploringournamepodcom and you can find merch. You can find all the podcasts. We have a lot there, so go check it out yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 53:19

But yeah, thanks, man, I appreciate that. I worked, you know, a while on that. I couldn't, there were some things. But yeah, I'm glad that it's up and running because it has been down for a little while.

Speaker 1 53:31

But yeah, I'm glad that it's up and running because it has been down for a little while. But yeah, I guess that's it.

Speaker 2 53:39

You can even contact us through the website as well. Right, all that information is on the website. But stay safe out there. Don't taunt Robert, don't stare at Peggy, and if a doll blinks at you, just move Out the house, out the state, maybe the country, I don't know. Yeah, I think this was an awesome episode.

Speaker 1 54:00

Like we said, if you have any haunted objects or things like that, let us know, and we'd love to talk to you guys about that.

Speaker 2 54:09

Until next time keep exploring the unknown.

Speaker 1 54:14

See ya.