Ep.70: Ghosts Behind Bars and Bolted Doors

The empty hallways of abandoned asylums hold more than just dust and decay—they contain the lingering energies of forgotten lives and troubled histories. Join us as we walk through the shadowy corridors of America's most haunted mental institutions, where tuberculosis hospitals mysteriously transformed into mental facilities and eventually into something far more sinister.

We begin our journey at Rooney's Point, where reports of lights flickering without electricity and a mysterious "gray man" patrolling the grounds have locals and investigators alike keeping their distance. Then we travel to the massive Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum, where one of our hosts experienced a full-body shadow figure crossing directly in front of him during a previous investigation. The stories from tour guides using spirit boxes in murder rooms will make your hair stand on end.

Our exploration continues through Pennhurst Asylum in Pennsylvania, infamous for its scandals of patient abuse, where visitors feel unexplained tugs on their clothing in fog-filled tunnels. We also uncover the secrets of Waverly Hills Sanatorium and its notorious Room 502, site of a staff member's suicide and now one of the most actively haunted spaces in paranormal investigation.

What fascinated us most was discovering the common thread connecting these locations—all began as tuberculosis treatment centers before transitioning to mental health facilities. This pattern raises questions about the economic and social forces that shaped these institutions and the suffering that occurred within their walls.

Would you dare explore one of these abandoned asylums with nothing but a candle to light your way? We challenge each other—and you—to consider what lurks in these forgotten halls. If you've worked at one of these institutions or have experiences to share, reach out to us. The spirits are waiting, and we're ready to listen.

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Transcript

Introduction to Asylums & Sanitariums

Speaker 1 0:00

What's going on, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Exploring the Unknown. I don't know why I tripped up right there. I'm Dustin, I'm Luke and tonight we're going to, you know, take a little stroll through the lost but not forgotten halls of history. Tonight we're talking about asylums and sanitariums.

Speaker 2 0:25

Yes, sir, history. Tonight we're talking about asylums and sanitariums.

Speaker 1 0:40

Something crosses the road. It's skeletal-like, fleshy, and it stands up and then it kind of just almost leaps.

Speaker 2 0:45

They look back and they see one. Where is that? It walks five feet away from my audio recorder.

Speaker 1 0:55

He just saw a big bug. Holy crap.

Speaker 2 0:59

I've been pinched, I've been tapped on the shoulder, I've had my name all over. A hand came up underneath my left arm. I said little son of a bitch, try to get me.

Speaker 1 1:09

That was the time that I decided you don't sleep inside that building. Did you see that the calquer? It's big, it's white, it runs faster than any man could ever run and it would lean out behind the tree. And that's why we never go out, Because the booger will get you.

Speaker 2 1:40

You cut me off.

Speaker 1 1:41

Not my bad. I wasn't expecting. What did you say? I think I'm excited for this episode my bad, the moment felt right, so I was like intro, I'll press the button. As soon as I press the button, you started talking. Alright, so soon as I pressed the button, you started talking. Thanks, michael Alright. So yeah, asylums and sanitariums. So where do you want to start with this?

Speaker 2 2:16

Let's start local. Okay, we have one that's pretty local to us. It's called Rooney's Point. Rooney's Point as a tuberculosis center and eventually turned into a mental health asylum in the late 1940s to early 1950s.

Speaker 1 2:52

I'm curious. Tuberculosis I've heard it before, I don't know what it is, do you?

Speaker 2 3:02

Some kind of disease. I don't remember exactly what kind of disease it is, but um Trang's Allergy also had I think it was Trang's Allergy. It might have been some other asylum, but they also had a typical spot really. So, um, it was closed in 1972 due to structure deterioration. I had a car on fire at one point and it killed many people in the fire.

Speaker 1 3:48

So like while it was in operation it caught on fire? Yes, how many people are curious? Go ahead, keep talking.

Speaker 2 3:59

So there's some activity that goes on at this place. There's some activity that goes on at this place. Um one says they see lights turning on and off in the asylum. There's no electricity in the asylum at all, which that would be crazy. Could you imagine seeing a light turn on when it's no electricity in the asylum?

Speaker 1 4:23

Well, there's people that live right there. So I wonder, does that old lady that lives right across the street or away from it? Does she think she looks out her window and watches? Because that place has a lot of windows?

Speaker 2 4:38

Yeah, it does I would. I like to go back during the day and see this place. And there's another thing that says people say see a gray man walking around the building and children in the window was seen by a delivery pizza, by a pizza delivery driver.

Speaker 1 5:09

A gray man that walks outside of the building.

Speaker 2 5:13

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 5:16

Now I kind of want to live next to this place.

Speaker 2 5:20

And children inside the building looking out the windows children inside the building looking out the windows.

Speaker 1 5:29

The only problem is living next to something like that is that people are going to go there, even if they shouldn't be. You know, if they're not allowed, or you know what I mean. I seen, uh, where there was a fraternity that, like, would send their people there for you know, I don't know if it's hazing or whatever it is, but like a pledge I guess.

Speaker 2 5:53

How long can you stay there?

Speaker 1 5:56

By yourself. Yep, all right, you know what? Here's the new thing the next person to donate at least $100, luke will spend the night there by himself, If I'm allowed. I think I have $100 saved up somewhere.

Speaker 2 6:17

I need to see if I'm allowed to go first. But count me in. Go, ask that lady. I do have $100. I guess spend the night there for $100.

Speaker 1 6:27

Well, we know somebody that went in there. Well, we had them on the show, yeah.

Speaker 2 6:36

So now it's just an abandoned building up in West Virginia. I would love to go investigate this place. It would be a cool place to investigate.

Speaker 1 6:51

I was looking to see if there was like a newspaper article or some kind of post on whenever it caught fire or something. Oh dude, there's these pictures of the inside that are just completely insane. I don't even know. It doesn't even look like it's safe to go in this place. There's a man with a shotgun. Yeah see, it's probably a good idea. We didn't get out that night because I wasn't I got thrown to death.

Speaker 1 7:24

Yeah, we'll have to. I think I think if we just go talk to the neighbors and just be like look, you know, this is what we do, we're trying to be respectable about it, you know how do we, you know, gain access? Yeah, I think that's a good idea. Yeah, let's see, let's see.

Speaker 2 7:49

Do we, do we have any more from from that? No, I think that's about it, so there's not too much about that location?

Rooney's Point: Local Tuberculosis Center

Speaker 1 7:52

not really. I couldn't really find a whole lot either, um, but this next one, though, is also in west virginia. Uh, west in west virginia, the transegheny Lunatic Asylum. Now, you've been there. I've been there once. Yes, tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 8:12

It's a massive place. I've had some activity.

Speaker 2 8:17

I was seeing a full-body shadow walk across my screen when I was in the middle of taking pictures, full body shadow walk across my screen. When I was in the middle of taking pictures, I went from right to left and I was holding my phone up like this I'll show you. And I was taking pictures and I'm looking down at my screen taking pictures and before I was able to click the um camera button, I seen a shadow walk right across like this and um, wild, I wish I was recording at the time. Um, I wasn't recording, I was just taking pictures. And I walked down to the hallway and um, cause I was by myself. And um, there was nobody down there.

Speaker 1 9:20

That's, that's wild. How did you feel once you got in there and realized there was nobody in there? Did you feel a little scared?

Speaker 2 9:28

Um, no cause. That's kind of what we're there for.

Speaker 1 9:33

Yeah, well, yeah, I would have to agree. You know, except for whenever we was over that, uh West Alexander house and you'd seen those shadow people coming up the hill. That was true. I wish I'd have been able to see that. I'm not. That's something that I would like to witness.

Speaker 2 9:58

A shaggy person.

Speaker 1 10:00

Well, just something that's irrefutable. You know what I mean? Yeah, but yeah, there's a lot of activity like that at the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. I'm just kind of scanning over this Reddit post. So this guy, he is a tour guide. He said we would run experiments with a spirit box. One person would use one with noise-canceling earbuds. So they're doing like the Estes method. So all they would be able to hear is the radio static and the blips of random stations.

Speaker 1 10:37

He said one evening my coworker and I ran one of these experiments in a notorious room which a murder in 1987 took place. For 10 minutes I sat and listened to nothing but radio static, to the spirit box, no blips of the radio, nothing except the static. He said I was starting to get bored when I heard a woman's voice say evil. So I spoke up and repeated the word evil. Next thing I know my coworker is shining her flashlight in my face to get my attention. I pull out the earbud and she was practically frantic, saying it's time to go, time to go.

Speaker 1 11:15

So we haul ass out of the room, down the hall, down the next hall, to the center section, before she would even tell me what happened, while I was hearing nothing but static. She said she kept hearing what sounded like someone shuffling their feet and walking around just outside of the door. She said she spoke up and asked whoever is out in the hallway. Are they nice? That's whenever I spoke up and said evil, that's crazy, that is crazy. I probably would have took off running too.

Speaker 2 11:46

Why are we running? Why are we running? That's what I'd be like. Why are we?

Speaker 1 11:51

leaving. Here's my thing, leave it my. Here's my thing.

Speaker 2 12:01

If you see me running like full-on running, don't ask questions, just catch up, that's it well, this um place is also supposed to be haunted by um, a little girl named Lily and a patient named Jacob, and Dean was a victim of the murder. So do you? Is that the room, that place? It's very eerie and it feels darker Really.

Speaker 1 13:20

I would like to go to some of these places and do investigations. I know you know in October, usually around Halloween, they have the public investigations down there at Moundsville. We should look into going. I'm down, I think that would be fun, yeah, so, moving on from that, which one do you want to dive into?

Pennhurst Asylum & Patient Abuse

Speaker 2 13:51

Let's talk about Pennhurst Asylum. Pennhurst is in Spring City, pa. Founded in 1908 and was closed in 1987. Caused scandals over patients and abuse. Eastern State Institution that's where it was. It was an institution housed over 3,000 people and now just operates as a museum and places where you can go investigate and places where you can go investigate, so it claims to have. It was a mental health institution as well, so all these asylums seem to be turned into a mental health institution at one point. There's a lot of activity that goes on at this place as well, and I mean I found a Reddit post with it. Yeah, where?

Speaker 1 15:11

did it go. So this place was pretty infamous because of its inhumane conditions. A lot of these asylums were overcrowded and you know, the residents were neglected and abused and things like that. But they have like a cemetery on site or something like that, don't they? I remember seeing something about they had unmarked graves on the property.

Speaker 2 15:42

I believe so. The story on Reddit is that I'm actually in the admin building in the tunnels underneath what is now considered the long hallway that is now a bunk hall, so there was people living down there At the time. There was nothing in it except grimy wheelchairs. I was relieving someone for a break and after they left I stood in the middle of the hallway beside the gurney waiting for the customer to come in. It was pumped full of fog and I couldn't barely see. I barely seen blur, so I guess this was doing like a haunted attraction. Okay, I knew I was the only one there. Well, about two minutes into being there, I felt a huge hug on the back of my shirt. I think it meant to say tug. Okay, enough to make me stumble back. I whipped around to see if there was anyone there and there wasn't. When the person came back, I told her about it and she let me know. The little girl who loves to play with people down there was connected to the gurneys. Now I have a tattoo in her honor.

Speaker 1 17:30

Oh, that's interesting. I don't know if I'd go to that extent, but it's definitely a weird experience, yeah.

Speaker 2 17:38

We should maybe reach out to this person. Okay, definitely, they're on Reddit, so maybe we can reach out.

Speaker 1 17:47

Definitely so. A lot of the claims here, from what I was seeing were like hearing blood-curdling screams echoing through the main building doors that slam shut without warning, and then the ghostly children's laughter that drifts from the old schoolhouse Pennhurst Asylum. Do we know anybody that's been to Pennhurst?

Speaker 2 18:14

I should. I probably know someone who has.

Speaker 1 18:18

Yeah, that one's in PA. I don't know if you had said that Spring City, but we have another one that's in PA too.

Speaker 1 18:27

Out by where? Out by Philadelphia? Okay Well, this one's a little bit closer. This one's in Crescent PA. Okay, well, this one's a little bit closer. This one's in Crescent PA. The name is Crescent Sanitarium. It started also as a tuberculosis hospital and became a mental facility, and later it became a prison that has underground tunnels linking wards and isolation rooms. It's a labyrinth of unsettling energies. Some people were posting saying that they would see shadow figures move between doorways and building f, while building e carries the the sound of dragging footsteps long after it was abandoned. Now this place they also do public investigations and stuff, and I would like to try to go and do one of those if you would be so interested.

Speaker 2 19:27

Yeah, I remember you saying something about this place. That'd be a cool place to try to go to.

Speaker 1 19:39

I think any of these places would be a really cool place to go to. Yeah, I agree. Like I was saying the other day, I think that we should set up some goals for next year and, like, maybe pick two or three places to try to go to.

Speaker 2 19:55

I think that would be a good idea. I think we should definitely do that.

Speaker 1 20:02

But yeah, I don't have a whole lot more. On the Crescent Asylum, I'm very interested in the know. Well, maybe maybe I'm looking too much into it, but you did mention that they all kind of eventually became a mental facility. They were a tuberculosis hospital and then there was a mental facility. Yeah, I'm just kind of, uh, I don't know, maybe I, like I said I could be too looking too much into it, but that seems interesting to me. It does.

Speaker 2 20:44

Isn't there one more that you wanted to talk about? No, that's all I had. Oh, that was only three, not four. Was it three or was it four?

Speaker 1 20:53

No, that was four. We talked about Roney's Point, trans-allegheny Lunatic Asylum, pennhurst Asylum and the Crescent Asylum.

Speaker 2 21:00

Well, we've got a little bit more time, let's talk about another pretty well-known asylum. This one isn't called an asylum, it's called a sanatorium, which I think it's kind of the same thing.

Speaker 1 21:17

I'm curious what is the difference between an asylum and a sanitarium?

Speaker 2 21:21

This is called Waverly Hills Sanatorium in Levyville, Kentucky, Again founded in 1910, Waverly Hills was originally constructed as a tuberculosis facility. See, that's weird. Why are all these?

Speaker 1 21:46

well, my thoughts are like I don't know. It seems like they all took the same route. They were like, ah, we're going to be a tuberculosis hospital. Nope, we're going to be a mental facility. And then some of them are like, nope, we're going to be a prison, it's. And then some of them are like, nope, we're going to be a prison. It's almost like I don't know. When I look at things nowadays, whenever you notice things like that happening, it's usually money in my opinion, but, like I said, I could be looking too much into it. Maybe there's business reasons as to why they did what they did.

Speaker 2 22:16

Yeah, Were you able to look up the difference between sanatorium and asylum?

Speaker 1 22:23

Yeah, so an asylum and a sanitarium are both institutions of the past, but they serve different purposes. An asylum was a facility primarily for the long-term care of individuals with severe mental illness, often with the connotation of confinement and limited treatment. A sanitarium, on the other hand, was a specialized institution focused on treating and rehabilitating individuals with tuberculosis or other long-term illnesses, emphasizing fresh air and sunlight. So it seems like if you went to the asylum, you're in for a bad time. If you went to the sanitarium, you might be okay. Then again, they all seem to have had neglect and abuse and now they're just really haunted.

Speaker 2 23:18

Yeah, I lost where I was. So all these places seem to have a lot of paranormal activity. Shattered figures, disembodied voices, a spirit of a little girl Room 502. Room 502 is said to be one of the most haunted rooms in the sanatorium. It was the site of a suicide of a staff member, and paranormal investigators report strange occurrences here, including cold spots and feeling like they're being watched.

Speaker 1 24:04

Where is this at?

Speaker 2 24:05

Room 502 in Waverly Hills.

Speaker 1 24:10

Waverly Hills Sanitarium.

Speaker 2 24:12

Yes, this place also was seen on Ghost Adventures, the Dark Files and Ghost Hunters.

Speaker 1 24:28

I think a few of the places that we talked about was on a lot of them. Well, probably not Rooney's Point, yeah um, uh, lizard Bank Nursing.

Speaker 2 24:42

Yeah, um, elizabeth nurse encounters. Many nurses who worked at the sanatorium claim to have experiences with the paranormal, especially in the second floor hallways and patient rooms. They report hearing voices and seeing figures appear and disappear. Do you think that there's any nurses out there that are still around that used to work there streams? They report hearing voices and seeing figures appear and disappear.

Speaker 1 25:00

Do you think that there's any nurses out there that are still around that used to work there? It's possible. I would be interested in talking to somebody that used to work at one of these places. If you're listening to the podcast and you, or if you know somebody that's worked at one of these places, um, we would love for you to maybe reach out to us and come on the show.

Speaker 2 25:25

Yeah, That'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 25:30

Or even if you're a guide or something like that.

Speaker 2 25:34

Um, I know I don't know him personally, but I follow this guy on TikTok. He's a guy of Ohio State Reformatory. It was not originally a silo, but it was turned into an silo After. It was not originally a silo, but it was turned into an silo after, so I would like to have him on the podcast and talk to him about Ohio State Reformatory. Have you reached out to him? I? Have I haven't heard anything back from him yet. Next time he's live on TikTok, maybe I'll mention it yeah.

Speaker 2 26:21

This is in Mansfield, Ohio. It's not too far from us.

Speaker 1 26:24

No, a couple hours. I think most of these places are within a couple hours.

Speaker 2 26:33

Mansfield. Is what Less than that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 26:36

yeah, yeah, moundsville is a cool place. Have you ever sat in that the electric chair down there?

Speaker 1 26:45

I never even been inside you've never been inside the Moundsville penitentiary, really okay. Yeah, that's definitely happening soon. I want to. That place is interesting bucket list. Definitely happening soon. I want to. That place is interesting Bucket list. That's where Renee and I went and was investigating. We was doing the group tour and she left me in that one room by myself with no flashlight and I was on the x-ray table with no flashlight and I was on the x-ray table. I decided to try to squeeze in between the x-ray camera and the table and it was. You know, took me a minute to get in there and then she's like I think the group's leaving and she left with the flashlight. Thanks, Farron.

Speaker 2 27:42

If you could pick any of these locations that you would like to go to, which one would it be?

Speaker 1 27:52

I would have to say probably either Pennhurst or the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum.

Speaker 2 27:59

I like to go back to Trans-Allegheny. It's expensive, though.

Speaker 1 28:03

Really, how much was it? If you don't mind me asking. Probably like $1,200 plus, yeah, but if you get enough people to go, then it wouldn't be so bad. You know, if you're listening to this, reach out to us. Maybe we can put you on a list or something and we can try to get enough people together to go to one of these bigger locations. Yeah, that would be fun.

Speaker 2 28:27

I'm sure we can find people.

Speaker 1 28:29

Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure, definitely. It would just be nice to have some engagement from our listeners. We have people that listen in other countries too. You're more than welcome to reach out to us as well.

Speaker 2 28:47

Yes, always. I think that's about all we have on these assignments.

Speaker 1 29:02

Yeah, I think so. These places, these asylums and sanitariums and things like that, they're monuments to forgotten lives and painful histories. The ghosts may draw us in, but you know, the real chill comes from knowing what truly happened within those walls.

Speaker 2 29:27

Yeah, like the Shanks Alley game where they first started the lobotomy Right.

Speaker 1 29:35

Wait, that's where they first started doing lobotomies. Yeah, it was Shanks.

Speaker 2 29:38

Alley game. That's wild. See, it's wait. That's where they first started doing lobotomies.

Speaker 1 29:40

Yeah, it was trying out again. That's wild, see, it's. It's knowing little things like that or like even like the fact that something you know really dark happened in certain parts of the of the building and then having activity that can be relevant to that, or just the amount of activity in that spot is different compared to like some other place in the building.

Speaker 2 30:04

Yeah, Changdao has like a whole little museum about like the bargaining and like the tools they used and stuff like that.

Challenges & Future Investigation Plans

Speaker 1 30:13

That's interesting. I wouldn't mind checking that out as well. But before we go here is a thought to haunt your brain Would you rather spend one night alone in a pitch black asylum with only a candle, with only a candle, or one week in a mostly abandoned town where you're the only living soul? Or maybe worse, would you rather know for certain ghosts exist or live if they do?

Speaker 2 31:01

I think spending a week in a whole abandoned town would be cool, just a whole week long and less an issue.

Speaker 1 31:09

I don't like the way it's worded. Why One week in a mostly abandoned town where you're the only living soul?

Speaker 2 31:24

well, I think it's saying mostly abandoned because there's spirits there, yeah, but then you add in living soul.

Speaker 1 31:34

What if it's like living but it doesn't got a soul?

Speaker 2 31:38

I don't know how that works.

Speaker 1 31:42

but okay, I don't know how that works either, but it's definitely a thought.

Speaker 2 31:48

I would probably give it a second. The week, the week. Could you imagine walking through a pitch black asylum with just a candle?

Speaker 1 32:05

Candles don't get off that much light. No, but could you imagine the thrill you would get going through the asylum with just a candle? Here's the thing you don't get a lighter or matches to relight your candle. If your candle goes out, it goes out.

Speaker 2 32:23

Exactly so now, but it would be fun Long investigation.

Speaker 1 32:26

I think that ought to be a challenge, guys. What do you think? Drop down in the comments. Next haunted location that we go to. Someone has to, you know, maybe go somewhere in the building alone with just a candle Except for our candles. Well, that's true too. That's true too.

Speaker 2 32:48

That'd be creepy Walking there with no light, just a candle.

Speaker 1 32:57

We could do one outside.

Speaker 2 32:59

Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:02

Where would we go? I don't know. Gettysburg.

Speaker 2 33:11

Yeah, but there's a lot of light pollution in Gettysburg though.

Speaker 1 33:16

Yeah, yeah, alright, we're going to start a GoFundMe. This is going to have to happen over in the forest, over in Japan.

Speaker 2 33:26

No.

Speaker 1 33:31

You wouldn't go in there. Not alone, not alone. That's the challenge.

Speaker 2 33:40

Yeah, but that place is something else. Walk back to the cemetery, where we have a big face.

Speaker 1 33:52

Oh, with just a candle. That's right there. Yeah, that would be it. That would be it. Well, did you have anything else for this?

Speaker 2 34:02

No, I think that's all.

Speaker 1 34:03

Okay. Well, you know, if this journey through haunted halls gave you chills, don't vanish. Subscribe to the Exploring the Unknown podcast YouTube channel. Leave us a haunting review. I wonder if you can leave reviews on our website. I don't know if you can or not. We should set it up so that you can. If you have any paranormal tales, please send them to us at the exploring the unknown pod at outlookcom email, or you can call our hotline at 412-533-3483 to share your story.

Speaker 2 34:37

Yeah, and if you haven't already like our song, if you're listening to the song on Spotify or Apple Music, rate and review us. That goes a long way. Yes, and we have comments on these things as well. If you are listening to that on Spotify or Apple music, typing asylum in the comments, so we know you're listening.

Speaker 1 35:07

Oh snap, Wait, we're not done. What are we doing? What are we doing? We're not done. Hold on, hold on. Where's my, where's my wheel? Oh, we got to Pull the wheel up. I didn't save the wheel, oh man. No, I did save the wheel. I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it.

Speaker 2 35:33

And after every episode we spin the wheel so we can do the next topic.

Speaker 1 35:45

Alright, here we are. Is it up there?

Speaker 2 35:50

I don't see it. What's happening? A bird's coming up.

Speaker 1 36:00

Is it?

Speaker 2 36:03

I see it on the bottom down here.

Speaker 1 36:08

I see it on the bottom down here, but I can't get it on the stage. There we go, it's coming up.

Episode Wrap-up & Next Topic Reveal

Speaker 2 36:13

There it goes, there it is. Nope, I can't see anything. I see it is. Can you see it? Nope, I can't see it.

Speaker 1 36:20

You don't see anything. I see it now.

Speaker 2 36:21

Yes, hold on.

Speaker 1 36:22

I need some music for this. We need some music. While we do this here, we'll play our music. Maybe I'm not really going to play, are you serious?

Speaker 2 36:45

It's okay, it's just been a wheel.

Speaker 1 36:47

Alright, this starts playing. This starts playing, whatever, alright, here we go. Next episode.

Speaker 2 36:58

I lost him. Can we pause this? How do you pause the live? Okay, next episode is gonna be on black eyed kids. What? Yes what did I tell you the other day?

Speaker 1 37:15

I know, I know. So luke has, uh, had already started working on a thumbnail because he wanted to make it. I don't know if he wanted to, but he made a prediction on what the next episode is going to be, and, sure enough, he's mind blown, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 37:38

I heard researching, did you? They do heck, yeah, well, yeah, I'm excited to talk about how you're feeling, how you're feeling that's all it is.

Speaker 1 37:50

That's all it is, man, it's, it's, it's. We all have that, you know, sense, we have a way of picking those things up and it's just like it comes. It comes in every now and again and surprises us and it's like, whoa, okay, so what is that then?

Speaker 2 38:05

And this was, I think, friday night. Yeah, aren't we going to hop on Friday? Yeah.

Speaker 1 38:15

Yep.

Speaker 2 38:16

Yeah, Friday night I um made a thumbnail and I started doing research on black eye caps, because I just hired.

Speaker 1 38:26

That's amazing. That's amazing, it's creepy. It is creepy, it is it, dude? That's what I mean, like I think. I think that there's definitely something that we're able to do that we're not aware that we're able to do, you know, I mean, some people are aware and they know how to tap into it. Yeah, awesome. Thanks for listening.

Speaker 2 38:57

Keep explaining.

Speaker 1 39:04

We'll get together one day. Keep explaining.