How Self Love Creates an Extraordinary Life with Mary Gooden

What if the most powerful transformation in life starts with one simple shift: learning to truly love yourself? In this inspiring episode of the Shine On Success Podcast, host Dionne Malush sits down with eighteen-time international best-selling author, speaker, and mentor Mary Gooden to explore the life-changing power of self-love, personal awareness, and authentic storytelling. Mary shares how her journey through years of severe panic ultimately led her to discover a deeper relationship with herself, one that now fuels her mission to help coaches, entrepreneurs, and thought leaders share their stories through writing and publishing. Together, Dionne and Mary dive into how vulnerability, safe spaces, and personal storytelling can unlock healing, confidence, and purpose.

Throughout this powerful conversation, listeners will learn practical mindset shifts and simple daily practices that can transform how they see themselves and their lives. From the importance of building a relationship with yourself to the impact of affirmations like “I love myself, I trust myself, I am enough,” Mary reveals how small changes can lead to extraordinary personal and professional growth. If you are searching for inspiration, personal development strategies, or guidance on living with greater purpose, joy, and alignment, this episode with Dionne Malush and Mary Gooden offers a powerful reminder that loving yourself may be the first step toward creating a truly extraordinary life and business.

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Website: https://www.marygooden.com/

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Transcript

Beyond The Bio: Loving Being Human

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Have you ever met someone who radiates peace, purpose, and pure joy? It somehow makes you believe everything in life can be both simple and extraordinary. My guest today, Mary Gooden, is the living definition of that. As an 18 times international best-selling author, speaker, mentor, and CEO of Divine Destiny Mentoring and Publishing, Mary helps conscious coaches, thought leaders, and soul-driven entrepreneurs amplify their visibility, impact, and prosperity. Her mission to make life in business easy, fun, and extraordinary. All while guiding others to love and accept every part of themselves. Mary, welcome to Shine on Success. I'm so happy to have you here today. How are you doing? I'm well, Dion. Thanks so much for having me. I'm excited. I'm very excited to learn about your new book. I want to talk about that at the end. But I always like to start with this one. What is one thing you want people to know about you that's not in your bio?

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Oh, that's not in my bio? I think I am in love with being human. It's not in my bio.

From Panic To Self-Discovery

SPEAKER_01 1:01

I don't think anybody has ever once said that. I love that. So thank you for sharing that. I'm here to find out why now here in a few minutes. So Zobi asked you this. What's something about your journey that most people wouldn't know just by looking at you?

SPEAKER_00 1:15

I spent a good half a decade, five years of my life in a state of severe panic.

Writing As Healing And Credibility

SPEAKER_01 1:24

You did? Wow. I mean, I think I spent part of my life there, but not severe, but just constantly worrying and panicking about everything, no matter what it was. And I think that today as I age, things change and I don't worry so much. But I also love what you said about being happy. I was so excited to find out about that. So can you tell us a little bit about your business and what you do? Because I think that's important as we go through this conversation.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

It is it is fun on what I get to what has been I've chosen to step forward in this lifetime, in this love of being human, like love of life, is supporting women and men to really come home to themselves through writing, through writing their story, through sharing their methods, uh, through really taking another, a deeper introspective look inside themselves and coming home to their own truth, their own credibility, their own knowing of who they are, why they are who they are, and what they really genuinely have to offer in the world to the world. To the world. Unlike it's publishing, you know, we publish books, but that's what it means to me is uh almost a coming, coming to the place of loving life by learning that each part of our lives have something that we've learned from it. We've gained or gleaned. And it it does follow. I know you like a lot of Napoleon Hill think and grow rich, but but actually getting your thoughts out on paper, publishing them, and then having to stand up and say, This is these are my thoughts and my words. Yeah, it is really cool. Actually, it's more trouble.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

Yeah, it's just it makes you feel good. Everyone has a story, but another thing that a lot of some people don't even realize that there's always light in all the darkness. So even in your story, there you're learning lessons all the time. And that's how you, as you age, you grow to help other people because you can share your story to help them get through what they're gonna go through. Because we all go through stuff, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:25

Yeah. So I help people put that on paper and create and generate these fun little books about here's what I know, here's what I've done, here's what makes me feel good every day.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Yeah, it's very cool. So tell me, was there a defining moment when you realized you were meant to help others share their stories?

Leaving Corporate To Lead Movements

SPEAKER_00 3:43

Yes. And it really um it's fun to explore this because I've kind of been exploring like, what am I gonna say? When I first I first shared my story in a multi-author book, and what I gleaned from the experience the first time was sharing, you share just a story. I shared my 25 year forever, which which was marrying my high school sweetheart, creating two beautiful daughters, and also ending that ended in a life of really panic coming after panic coming home. But when I sat and I was writing alongside these other women, that where there's actually spaces in the world, they were Zoom spaces too, that we could get vulnerable and raw and real and feel safe enough to share some really dark moments of our life. And that we were there to really consciously and subconsciously to shift our thoughts behind our own story. That's what my first experience was. Wait a minute, this is a real thing. There's real safe spaces out there, and we're doing fast work, like we're clearing trauma and old wounds quickly, and I love it. Like I I this is the one of the most interesting and evolving experiences I've ever had. So then I did it again four months later because I wanted more of that. You know, when you like ice cream and you found the new ice cream shop has the best cookies and cream, you want more. And I was kind of shocked that I did too. So, you know, I was witnessing like, oh, you really liked that. That really felt good. So the next time, same thing. I was confirming, right? I'm gonna go back again. I'm gonna confirm that that I'm feeling like this feels like something more than I've ever even thought that I would do or am capable of creating for others, but that's what it evolved to. I want to create this space. I want to be a bigger part, play a bigger role in creating movements through writing, through books, through stories. So I got really thinking, right? My thoughts changed. Like, could I do I even have the capacity? I didn't go to college for for I wasn't an English major or literature. I got a degree in degree in business management. Managing others, managing others' people's business, uh managing others' people's dreams devoted to other people's desires. It all started to make sense. Like, so if I could one of the reasons why I resigned from my corporate career is that very knowing. Like, if I can make this person and love my French like millions of dollars talking about money, why couldn't I do that for me?

unknown 6:20

Yeah.

Creating Space And A New Identity

SPEAKER_00 6:21

But storytelling revealed more of me that you can, in fact, after sharing my 25-year forever that ended in divorce through creation, through panic, through what just happened, and who am I now? You can actually, and then writing that story and revealing raw moments that really were just one perception. This is one way I could have looked at this, and this is another. And then I put myself in it again, and then I started creating space to be the leader of. It just became second nature. Um, people ask me all the time, like, how do you travel so much and run a business? And I'm like, Well, I'm not really running a business. I'm on a mission, I've got a purpose, and travel is part of it. It's my perception of things. So seeing my story come out on pages, seeing other women and men share their story. I have probably uh launched to bestseller 30 collaboration books, if not more.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

But that's the vibration I'm in. Watching people write and read their own story and having a revelation like I can do anything, I can create my life. I can, you know, moving all the way to the but I can love being human instead of a lot of people. Well, who do you know? Like, listeners, who do you know that they hate their life? A lot of people. They wish it away. And some of us probably think we could never get to a place where we love because this experience, because it can be so dark.

Safe Spaces For Leaders Who Carry Weight

SPEAKER_01 7:45

But I think what you said earlier about the safe space. So for even for myself, where I, you know, I have a company, 200 plus people, and I don't often feel I have a safe space. There's been so many people that have hurt me or wanted to hurt me or don't want me to be successful or stab you in the back, or if you don't feel you have that safe space. You can't really share everything. And that's it's it's kind of sucks, you know, for sure, because I don't feel I have that person that I could just pour my heart out to. But what you're saying is there you're creating that for people, for women mostly, probably, but even for men. I mean, they they don't often have a safe person or space. So I think that's really important. And something you touched a little bit on was some adversity that you've had, right? You 25 years, then all of a sudden, then you're panicking. So every great success story has a season of adversary adversity. I'm I'm sure of that. What challenges have you faced along the way that you're touching on? And how did you rise above them?

Panic, Medication, And Inner Authority

SPEAKER_00 8:42

I really think it's having the panic in my body and really wanting to not just discounting it and saying, give me the medication, like wanting it, and I did. I got on a light dose, which was very adverse for me because every time I would take this small dose to help me not panic, I would hear myself say, This isn't your life. This isn't your life. And I think it was a four-year walk through that. But giving myself permission to go deeper than what we'd been taught that you should just believe what the doctor says, or you should just learn to own this, or you should do this, or you should do that. But actually going inside of me and building that relationship with myself. That was probably one of the biggest climbs out of adversity that I have experienced is, and really the biggest thing here is learning to care for myself and honor myself and love myself.

Relearning Self-Love Over Self-Sacrifice

SPEAKER_01 9:40

Yeah, I think that's called what you're saying. Sounds so good. But when I'm sitting here thinking, like, do I love myself like that? I don't know. I mean, I I love a lot of things about myself. I love my creative ability and I love that I can, you know, troubleshoot myself out of many things. I don't look I I thought I'm talking about things and stuff. But did you hear me say me? Yeah, I don't know. I and I think that's a a definite area that I I probably could use some work on for sure, because you know, we as we age, things change, you change, and we all get old if you're if we're lucky, right? If in lucky we get old. And and I'm just sitting here thinking about it, it's the silliest thing, but it's about Pamela Anderson of all people. But if I'm watching her today, who she's turned into was nothing that anyone expected her to be. Do you know her story? Like she was a beautiful actress, and now she's all pastoral, right? And she's the short hair, and she's she's just totally different because she's so in love with herself now. You can see it. And it's evident it's not about anybody else.

Non-Negotiables: Connect, Move, Celebrate

SPEAKER_00 10:42

And that's I love that you said that because that's kind of what it takes. It it becomes that practice. This isn't about anybody else anymore. When am I ever gonna make this about me? When am I ever going to go inside and build the relationship with myself and become codependent on myself instead of something outside of me? It's my number one non-negotiable. It's the biggest thing I'm gonna talk about when I finally schedule that TEDx is building a relationship with yourself. And you know why? I mean, I could give you a couple reasons, but one of the biggest whys well for people who are like, well, why don't we do that? Because nobody ever taught us that. It the word the string of words that most of us probably may still be hearing. I know I'm in my, you know, I'm knocking on 50's door with so much joy to to give that away, but I remember hearing it. Serve others, serve others before you serve yourself. It's really a deeply embedded, embodied program in us. Like, I don't have time to think about me. I gotta get my kids to school. I don't have time to think about me. My boss needs something. I don't have time to think about me, especially when the psychiatrist tells you, like, you need to start. I don't have time. Yeah, I get that. So it becomes the way that we address that whole idea. And nobody ever, I don't think, remember a lot of anybody ever reminding me constantly, consistently, that that I needed to build a relationship with myself.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Yeah. It the way you're saying it just sounds so easy and you know, and and sounds so needed. Like we all need that. And you know, it's just finding our way of doing it. And I know that I'm guilty of what you're saying because I've been worrying about everyone else for so long. I've there's days I think, what about me? Where what about me? Like I'm so dumb. Sometimes when you do you feel guilty when you hear yourself say that? Like, what about thinking about myself when you know I'm supposed to be helping everyone else? So just so you know, uh my little bit of a story is my husband had a transplant seven months ago. So I was the primary caretaker and I own this company, right? We have 207 people in the company, and I didn't go to the office for four and a half months because I've been taking care of him. And then before that, my dad passed away two years ago. So my mom moved in with us. So the last three years have been just a hundred percent worrying about everybody else. And it's not that I don't do a couple little things for myself, but they're very little in the scale of things. It's it's I don't know, it's it's wild, but you're I I'm listening to you and I'm hearing you. I just don't know how to say I love myself like that. But I need to work on it.

Empty Words Versus Embodied Love

Retreats, Embodiment, And Integrity

SPEAKER_00 13:28

It could be fun practice, like with some and here's another piece of advice like how do we make things easy? Because at my second book is Let It Be Easy, Let It Be Fun. Okay. Yeah. How can we make things easy? Things that are just so we're so used to caring and worrying about other people. We've we've built a program on worry. We actually we actually feel comfortable with what the frequency of worry in our body because we've been doing it so long. Nothing is wrong with us when we're worrying. It's when we're not worrying that something's wrong. And I'll say that. Do you ever say that to your body? What's wrong with you? What's wrong with me? What's wrong with me? You're condemning yourself with your words. So what's right with me? What's right with me? What's right with me? It's changing really small things, really small things about that. But what I learned, because I had to change those small things too. What I started to witness, so when I started a new practice of like, okay, I'm gonna worry about me, I'm gonna set three non-negotiable things. I'm gonna do three things every day before I ever get on a call with my clients, before I ever step out into the world, there's three things I'm gonna do. I'm gonna connect with myself, I'm gonna do some movement, and I'm gonna celebrate something. And I started with three minutes a day, because if you only have three minutes in a day, you're just denying yourself a relationship with yourself. You're you're just already in, you're you're not ready to change. I'll just say that. You're not ready to change. If you can't say to yourself, I'm gonna give you three minutes a day, you're just not ready. And that's okay too. We don't all have to come through this lifetime loving being a human, but I'll tell you it does exist and it's the best experience I've ever. It's the best that I've I can ever remember. And yes, I realize that people look at me like you must be, you must have lost your mind. Who ever who even ever says, I love being a human? I mean, I I never met anyone. Just I'm that. Like I love this. It's the funniest time I've ever had. But if I can't give myself small bits, I'm just I I could might as well just say, you know, you're not ready for change. You don't want to. It's not, I don't know how. It's you don't want to. So let's start being honest with ourselves. You don't want to love yourself.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

So I had a girl I met years ago. It was so funny. She would say she when she got in front of her husband at night and she would get undressed and she'd be like, All of this loves all of you. And she said she didn't even care. Like at that moment, it didn't matter if it was perfect. It was the fact that she loved him that much because she loved herself enough to say that, right? It was so just made you made me just think about that. And I always thought about that. How cool was that? Just feel like she was actually telling herself. She was actually doing it for her. It had nothing to do with them. Yeah. But so in this question I have, I think, what has been your biggest lesson to learning to love and accept all of yourself?

A Simple Daily Mantra And Awareness

SPEAKER_00 16:11

Oh, what has been my biggest lesson in learning this practice? We're all born with a deep level of commitment. It's already inside of you. Okay. All of this that we really desire that we feel like is outside of us, it's really in us. And we just need to uncloak or uncover or take off the layers. And the layers are just experiences, most of the time, not even my own, a story about somebody else's that I've kept in, it's a filter I'm putting it through. So I think it's really just saying that it's in me. It's in you. If you can say I love you to your husband, we'll just use love because we're on the love thing, right? Love is in you somewhere. But if you also look at, I'm just gonna turn the dial a little bit by what I mean for those of you that think it's not in there. You know, you may feel like that. You maybe have been telling yourself for years that it's not in there, but it is in there, you know. It change your perception. Change your perception, change your life. But if I don't know how, let's just let me just land with this. If I'm not loving myself, do you think that I really know how to love my partner? No, I don't know. Do you really think that I know how love is? So that's kind of how it started for me. If I don't know how to do this for me, if I can't feel this for me, am I really authentically feeling it for someone else? Or am I just is it just empty words? So coming in.

Presence As The Path To Extraordinary

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Yeah, empty words because everybody says I love you nowadays. I love you, bro. I love you, my friend, I love you, I love you at the end of every call. I love you, I love you. When I was growing up, I remember love came differently. People didn't say it like it was a thing. Like, I love you, love you. It's so much, I don't know if it's even it's not real. It's it can't be real because what you just said. If you don't love yourself, how do you love all these people? Where is it just empty promises? It sounds good though, doesn't it? It sounds good. It's a nice thing to hear. I love you, I love you too. How about show it? How about feel it?

Let It Be Easy, Let It Be Fun

SPEAKER_00 18:09

How about be it? Right? And so that's what people come. I'd host retreats here in Sedona, Arizona, for those of you that know the magic of Sedona. And that's what you know, when people started coming and I said, I'm gonna host these retreats, it it wasn't about what I was gonna deliver. It was about being around somebody that carries the embodiment, the that the words and the actions line up. They match. And even even I had to do the practice of that. Like I'm gonna do this, and even when somebody's still here, I'm shown how wow, you really do walk this out. You know, I'm constantly have reminders that are reminding me of who I be, of who I am, that I love myself. And then it becomes the reflection of wow, you feel different, Mary. But I tell everybody I love them too, because it's true, because I love me. But yes, a lot of society we're using empty words. And so, and some people know it, like I really do love that person. Sometimes people hear themselves think, I wish I could love myself that way. So I always just use that as an invitation. 95% of the population is still resisting the opportunity to find out who they are and feel good with who they are. It's just what we've been taught.

unknown 19:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

It wasn't like we were taught that when we were a baby, we were taught that when we started growing up and people said things and did things and called you names and the bullying, and there's just a lot. Like you don't think the words matter so much. And if if your parents didn't give you enough confidence in yourself by saying you can do it, you can do it, and it constantly drag you down. You know, there's just so much with words that I you know, just studying thinking we're rich and all of the ways that you speak to yourself. It's not always about money, right? It's not rich in money, it's rich in love, it's rich in life. Yeah, so I think if you could share this with someone who feels unseen or stuck today from one of our listeners, what's the first step they can take into shifting into alignment with their divine love of themselves?

SPEAKER_00 20:05

Oh, it's an affirmation that's in my first book. It's a fun one. I love myself, I trust myself, I am enough. You know, memorize it, right? Do make one, if you want to make one commitment, just memorize that. Don't worry about what it's gonna do for you. Just let your body hear that you're saying that. Let your body, the I am statements are powerful, but write it on the bathroom mirror and and just be a witness to it. For those of you that say, you whatever, I'm skeptical, but but you like to play a game. You want to play a game with me?

SPEAKER_01 20:35

Yeah, let's play it back game.

Where To Find Mary And Final Thanks

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Play the game. I want you to write it, and I want for 21 days, I want you to just recite it, just for the game, right? Just for the gaming purpose of, and just be a witness to it. Just be a witness, like, I'm gonna say this things, and I'm gonna be really aware. I'm gonna pay attention. I'm gonna pay attention to what happens after I start saying this on the first day. And on the second day, I'm gonna pay attention. And on the third day, and I'm telling you, if you're really paying attention, it's a small exercise. Doesn't take but five seconds to say the words. Yeah, awareness is something that most of us are walking around completely disoriented to what's happening in the in the world, or so worried about what's happening in the world we can't really see, right? But just on awareness. I'm gonna start saying this affirmation, and I'm gonna stay in awareness and I'm gonna pay attention to what emails I get, or I'm gonna pay attention to what how people text me, or I'm gonna pay attention to to just the diff the things in my life, the billboards, the words that my eyes are drawn to. Prior to. Yeah. Just yeah, just paying attention. Like, don't expect anything. Play the game. I don't know what's gonna happen, but I'm gonna try it. Because what do you got to lose?

SPEAKER_01 21:48

You don't have anything to lose.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

And then the next time you say, you know, I really want something, then say that. What do I have to lose? What do we really have to lose? Ask yourself that question by changing one word in your vocabulary. Just saying, just start with a saying, I'm gonna love my today. I'm gonna love myself. Today I'm gonna learn how to love myself, or just ask yourself, build that relationship. Does it feel like you're talking to yourself? Because I am. Who am I? Who do I really want to be? And and that's a relationship with yourself. You talk to other people and build a relationship. What's the you know? It's no different. And does it make you crazy? Because does it make you does it mean you need to go on Ritalin? Uh no, those were the societal fixes to the I'm gonna, I'm trying, I'm a child, I'm trying to build a relationship with me. It might be my imaginary friend Katie. I'm trying I'm building a relationship. Oh my god, my daughter talks to herself to doctor, doctor, give me the news. So there's the cycle for anybody that thought I can see how this happened.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

I'm very animated, but it makes sense. And and I I must ask you this. What does living an extraordinary life mean to you today? It means being present.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

It means being, and I when I'm saying being present, like here I am. What else is possible? I don't know when I get on a podcast what's gonna come out of my mouth, but I trust that the questions you ask me are gonna be answered from my heart because I I'm always answering from my heart. I believe it. Living a life, an extraordinary life means I'm present in the moment and I trust every single ounce of what I see in front of me. And my perception of it is all good. It really is. I'm not just it's not just a shirt I wear. Like you could see the airplane coming down in the sky, and I could say he's probably rescuing them by making a move, you know. I'm changing the the thought pattern of 20 people thinking, oh my god, they're gonna die too. Nope, he's gonna catch himself. And then he catches himself because one person believed. I know that I kind of danced around there, but it just means to be really present. It means that nothing is there's no predictive text and there's no predictive story. That each well, I'm creating my life one moment at a time.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

And so prior to getting on the call with you, I was looking at your book, Let It Be Easy, Let It Be Fun. Unleash your extraordinary life and business in 21 days. Tell me about that book. That sounds so exciting.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

It's a 21-day journey. So it's three, it's broken down into three weeks. The first section is all about mindset. And so I'll just tell you the subheaders on that. The first question for seven days, you're gonna work with your mindset. And the first question is, What am I thinking? And there's different journal points, and there's a whole page where you get to fill out it's a daily check-in, so it's fun, it's gamified, like, oh, I can check the smiley face because I was in a good mood, or oh, I can check the pouty face. But it starts, it brings awareness to you every day. Today I want to circle the smiley mood. Tomorrow I'm gonna, you know, I'm getting an awareness. It shows me. The second week is about called embody your brilliance. And the second week, what is embodiment? It's a big buzzword, but it's about being in your body. And I go through the different there's a belief. So I have an auray master, but let's just call it universal loving energy. Okay, let's call it divine love. And there's seven points of the body from the root to the crown. So you get to learn about the root to the crown. The root chakra, for those of you that feel like you're in scarcity mindset, you live in a lot of fear, and you're always wondering, you don't feel like you'll ever gonna have enough. That's your your base energy is off balance. Because the truth of the matter, if you look out in nature, life is abundant. So much abundance. Wait a minute. So my roots off, right? How do I fix my root? There's ideas. Say this affirmation: go sit out in nature, go sit in abundance so you can attune to the frequency of abundance, stuff like that. So that week is about moving up the energy lines. And then the third part this is the celebration. So if you kind of followed me with my three non-negotiables, daily connection, so day thinking mind, mindset, daily movement. In the embodiment practices, there are ways that you get to breathe or move your body in certain ways so that you can uh move the stagnant energy and create a space for new ideas to land. And then the third is celebration, and it goes into all the self-practices. Um, so the self-acceptance, the self-trust, the self-love. So each day goes through until we get to self-unity, understanding that I am a whole being as I already am. Wholeness is who I am, it's not outside of me. Wholeness is in here. I just need to go in and get it by building a relationship, a kind and loving relationship with myself. That's the magic. It's very easy to read, and just reading the words, saying the words, is the start. Yeah. It's just a start.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

And I don't think it would be a great Christmas gift for all my friends. So I love that idea. And maybe we could do it together, it would be even more fun. So, where can the listeners find you, follow you, or get involved in your mentorship or publishing opportunities?

SPEAKER_00 27:06

So the easiest place to go after me or to find me on all levels is just MaryGoden.com. That's my website. But if you Google my name, M-A-R-Y-G-O-O-D-E-N, you can learn more about me. You can visit my website. I'm there on a Facebook, just my by through my name. You know, Divine Source made it so easy. Gave me a name. And for those that are interested in some moving into publishing or just cathartic, getting the cathartic experience of writing, I've got an event coming up with that, but you can find that stuff on my website.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

So I appreciate you. And I uh thank you for sharing your light, your laughter, and your lessons today. Because you're to me, you're proof that when we embrace every part of who we are, we open the door to our greatest impact. And I can see that you are impacting people all the time. And you have great spirit, and I'm excited to learn. And I love your three things. I am loved.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

Oh, I love myself, I trust myself. I am enough. I am enough. One thing I do want to say just real quick is if the enough word just feels too yucky for you, because it can, just say I am limitless.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Mmm, limitless is good too. I like that. So thank you. He would say four if you want. But that's great, simple, doesn't take very long to say, and you know, it will impact your subconscious mind as it hears you over and over and over and over and over again. So auto like what is oh auto suggestion. That's the word that Napoleon has over and over again. So keep doing it, keep being you, keep spreading your light. And for those of you that are listening, please like, subscribe, and share this episode because we want to share Shannon's success with everyone, realizing that you can, in fact, love yourself and put yourself in the best place ever, which is where Mary's at. So thank you, Mary. Thank you. Thanks, Dan.