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5 Business Principles Every Actor Should Know with Casting Director Rose Rosen
This episode of "How We Role" features a candid conversation with Rose Rosen, a casting powerhouse with over 20 years of experience. Based in Tampa, Rose has cast hundreds of productions, including the iconic film Edward Scissorhands. Listeners will gain valuable insights into navigating the business of acting, as Rose shares five "golden guidelines" for building a long and fulfilling career.
The discussion covers:
- Crucial aspects of the acting world, like the importance of treating your acting career as a business.
- The power of genuine relationships over mere networking.
- Rose also demystifies the audition process, offering practical advice on everything from self-tapes to the often-overlooked details of your casting profiles.
This episode is a must-listen for any actor looking to understand the industry from a casting director's perspective and elevate their professional approach.
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Hi, I'm Rose Rosen. I'm five foot three. On a good day, and fun fact about me is I cast Edward Scissorhands and you're listening to how we Roll.
Speaker 2:When it comes to working in entertainment, there's a lot of hows and they all boil down to how we navigate this wild industry. While how we follow our dreams is uncertain, how we roll along the way is in our hands. Welcome to how we Roll, a podcast for actors by Casting Networks. Hi actors, it's your friend, robert Peterpaul. Back to answer another how of our industry how do we navigate the business of acting? This question is almost as hot as the current summer heat wave and could take multiple episodes to wrangle. For our first go, we tapped in a wonderful casting director friend who dropped everything to develop five digestible business principle buckets with us. Yes, five golden guidelines for you to follow in order to rock this business.
Speaker 2:Today's guest is a casting powerhouse with over 20 years of experience Rose Rosen. Based in Tampa, rose has cast hundreds of productions across Florida and beyond. A former fashion editor from St Louis, she made her way into commercial styling before diving deep into every aspect of production and ultimately casting One of her first major gigs, casting the iconic Tim Burton flick, edward Scissorhands Chop chop or snip snip, I guess. Since then she's become Florida's go-to casting director and won awards for her sharp eye. Rose is also a fellow podcaster. Her show Casting Confidential, which you can tune into on every major podcast platform, now lifts the curtain on our business and spotlights so much wisdom. Definitely check it out. I had a blast talking with Rose and I know you're going. If this chat inspires you, please share it with a friend, my friend. Now here's how we roll in the business of acting with casting director Rose Rosen.
Speaker 1:We're rolling rose, how are you, my friend? Oh my god, this is the greatest podcast interview of all time. I am such a fan of yours rose and it hasn't even started.
Speaker 2:I mean your energy.
Speaker 1:Come on, come on, you're so sweet no, I feel the same about you.
Speaker 2:No, I mean your energy, come on, come on, you're so sweet. No, seriously, I feel the same about you. No, but I love your energy, stop it. Do you?
Speaker 1:remember when we met up at the RDOs in New York.
Speaker 2:I do yes, and I immediately said Rose is like a rose You're blooming. You're blossoming, the sunshine is hitting you.
Speaker 1:You the sunshine is hitting you. You bring all the good vibes and immediately that table was so much fun because of you, oh my god.
Speaker 2:So we had thanks for being you. But yeah, we did. Yeah, and we were fans of each other's before then. I know I love your videos, everybody. We have rose rosen on the podcast today, as you know. Please follow her on social media if you do not already, but we are going to talk all things the business of acting, or as much as we can within this time frame.
Speaker 1:I mean come on.
Speaker 2:There's a lot and Rose knows it all. But before we kind of dive into the topic specifically, rose, I'm so curious because we've talked just as friends, but I'd love to know more about your time in Tampa. You're known as Florida's premier casting director. It all started, I think, with Edward Scissorhands, which is, I mean, iconic. Can you just tell us a little bit about that?
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, I think I came down here. I like to say I was a mail-order bride, my future husband lived here.
Speaker 2:Didn't expect that, yeah.
Speaker 1:I know right, yeah no he lived down here and I was from St Louis and it seemed like the right thing to do. And so, yeah, this is a million years later and we're still together. And yeah, and after I came here, I was a stylist. I did all the things. And I was a stylist, I did all the things like, and I was an editorial. I came from writing fashion articles and producing them and finding talent and finding locations and doing makeup and hair and all you know, the wardrobe and the writing and all the things.
Speaker 1:And then I moved to advertising and then I came to Tampa and there was none of that here. It just didn't make any sense to anybody to hire me for that. So you know, like I became a casting director.
Speaker 2:Took a pivot, you said I'll just do casting. I love that you've done all the things because you have a lot of knowledge, a beautiful brain for me to pick today. Again, before we get a little bit into the business here, I wonder what is it about Tampa that makes it such a unique market? Because we might have people listening, thinking should I move to Tampa?
Speaker 1:I mean, the big uniqueness when I first started was it was Florida, was called Hollywood East. If you could believe that we were number three in the movie business of locations yeah, but that's not true anymore.
Speaker 2:But what is? True, you still got Disney, which you know right, but the game for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, but does that? You know like for a while there there was Nickelodeon shows, but you know like there's a lot that kind of comes and goes and the business changes like you know, as fast as we change our underwear, let's face it.
Speaker 2:It's pretty fast, especially if you're in a show backstage and you got a quick change.
Speaker 1:But that's how fast our business changes and people in this moment where the business is so obviously changing, think that's new and it's not. This is the same as it has been. We started out on VHS tapes, went to beta, went to DVDs and FTP sites and all the different things. So what we know is things change, but what is constant in Florida is commercials. Wow, and I like to say the commercials like actually allow me to do movies because you know I could do it all here.
Speaker 1:You know, big fish, little town, it's always worked for me. That doesn't mean as an actor you should come here. I don't necessarily recommend that, but okay, that's great to know.
Speaker 2:I appreciate that honesty and I loved what you said about the business always changing. The only constant is the change. I think that's such an important reminder in these times where we think everything's changing so fast it's like, well, everything's always changing it should, it should and the.
Speaker 1:And we're talking about the business, and the only way to keep up with any business is to keep changing, keep up with the changes.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, people that have the only people with my kind of longevity are malleable. Right, we just. And actors the same thing. If you listen to actors who have been around, they did not just pop out of nowhere. They were 10, 15 years, 20 years in the making, working, working, working, working, working, working, working. And then one day you notice them, or I noticed them five years ago, yeah, you see them, and overnight success is really a 10 year old success.
Speaker 2:a lot of the time it's like but that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 1:It's about business, and the business is long. And the craft. You have to be engaged in your craft and it should be just something you love.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It should also be something you love making money at.
Speaker 2:Well, true, I mean, if you're not having fun, what are you doing?
Speaker 1:No, exactly.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. Let's break down these principles together. Our main topic today is creating five golden principles of the business of acting. Rose and I came together offline and we created five guidelines. We think every actor that means you, listening friend not just for booking work, but for building a long, fulfilling career should know and understand. Fulfilling career should know and understand. So these aren't, you know, the end, all be all rules. We just made these up. In this moment we reserve the right to change our mind, but underneath each one we'll hopefully come up with a lot of fun advice. So let's start with number one, Rose, Drum roll. I don't know if I should tap my mic. I'm like going to hurt people's ears. Okay, Number one here is you are a business. Treat yourself like one. So, starting at the top, I think having the mindset of not just being an artist but an artist entrepreneur can I say that word can be key. Rose, do you find it helpful when actors approach their careers this way?
Speaker 2:this way A thousand percent, I mean come on, you have to be a business. Here's the thing. So I remember one of my greatest assistants who turned.
Speaker 1:She's a fantastic casting director in Toronto and I remember the first email she sent me. What was her email handle? Like hot babe, two, five, six or something, and literally. And she, she tells this story when I, when I call, when you know, at any time. And she says you know. When she called, I said so are you a stripper?
Speaker 2:well, because that's the brand you kind of saw right, that's my point so and she changed it immediately.
Speaker 1:Everything's fine now, don't worry, but but the point is, that's the thing. So it's like every little silly detail. I could tell so much from you, about you, from your email address. You know like most people put their birth date on the email. Not most, but plenty do.
Speaker 2:You know, you know, and then you can hack their you know Wells Fargo bank account.
Speaker 1:And, but beyond that, it's just like now I know how old you are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's something nobody should be asking you.
Speaker 1:So that's an important reminder You're giving me more information than you need to be giving me. So yeah, so protect, yeah, and show up in a professional manner, be it on Zoom, be it in person, be it in an email. Why are you emailing me? Are you badgering me to watch something? And I'm sorry to use the word badger, but people will send me again and again, and again the same link and say why are you? Responding.
Speaker 2:I'm like because you're not my client you probably get thousands of emails a day, so many, so many emails.
Speaker 1:I mean every point of contact right. Messages on Instagram, messages on Facebook, like what you expect me to answer that I don't mean I'm nice, I swear.
Speaker 2:Yes, rose is very nice. Well, what, I guess, while we're here, what comes through, what pierces through for you, what stands out as a professional email, a cold email, specifically, maybe one you're not expecting, but what's one you will answer?
Speaker 1:Well, purposeful communication is key, and we all know that. I'm very proud of my podcast.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, casting Confidential Tune in like subscribe it's so good. It's a treasure trove.
Speaker 1:But it is good and, honestly, the reason I created it was so that I wouldn't have to answer the email, so that I could all in one fell swoop give you the information.
Speaker 1:I started out with that YouTube show with Kim Swanson and it just became this podcast, and that's the thing. I don't want to answer the same question all day long. That bores me, so it's there for you. It's a library, it's free. That's what I want you to do. And then purposeful communication Tell me you love my podcast. Go on there and, as you said, like, subscribe, review it, leave a review. I look at every name that reviews the podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go, I do.
Speaker 1:And you know, go onto my social media, Talk to me on the wall. Comment on one of my posts. You know, tell me what you like about that episode. Don't tell me what you don't like. Maybe that's the message.
Speaker 2:Well, rose is one of the casting directors that's very active on social media. So you do engage with people on social media, you do build relationships with people. That's how we found each other, with social media.
Speaker 1:Yes, I mean, there are some compelling accounts that grab me. Yours I am. I've got to have Danielle Pinnock on the show.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, there you go.
Speaker 1:And I am sure you follow her. I mean, give me a break.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Compelling stuff. There's this one actress, an actress abroad, that's Chloe, and I can't get her name right. It starts with a Z, but she's an actress abroad, and I'm happy to say it out loud.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, it's a great sort of brand and actually that brings up a big question I had for you, which is so what does it really look like for an actor to treat themselves as a business? Branding comes into play there, and I know that can be a dirty word for some people, but I think of it as finding out what makes you unique and then letting that shine through, sort of like everything you do, what's what's like your thing, what's sort of your log line. You know, if you look at someone like Aubrey Plaza, it's like she has that, she has a thing. So what's your advice on kind of honing in on that?
Speaker 1:I think actors think too much about that.
Speaker 2:OK.
Speaker 1:I think putting yourself in any kind of a box is not my favorite. I want to put you in a box for that role and I want to be open to the next role, to put you in a different box, and so don't box yourself for me.
Speaker 2:She doesn't need the gift wrap, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't want that kind of. Your branding should be clean, neat. You know I'm an actor, I look great. I'm an actor, I look great I you know I'm proud of myself.
Speaker 2:I have a good presence but it's I also like a non-specific Okay. I appreciate that because we do hear a lot as actors from so many different people. It's such a subjective business.
Speaker 1:What the hell is that word? Yes, that word makes me angry actually.
Speaker 2:Oh, I mean so many I don't know.
Speaker 1:Some people out in the world use this word, castability, and somebody just came at me and said well, what's my castability? I'm like I have never used that word and this is more than I've ever used it, you're like 45%.
Speaker 2:No, I don't know yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:It's like it's ridiculous. Everything is so specific about what we do Each time we're casting you it's. Are you right for that?
Speaker 2:That's beautiful because you think how we think as actors, which is that we can play anything and we want to imagine ourselves in any scenario. So I like that advice that just kind of keep it authentic, keep it clean, be yourself and don't stress out over putting yourself in one.
Speaker 1:Don't be making a big brand package. Don't don't be hiring a PR team when you don't have a project that you need a PR team for.
Speaker 2:OK, I got to go, I got to make some calls, but I well calls. No, I'm just kidding, well, okay. Well, the one thing about a business is that most successful businesses are organized and proactive. So do you have advice for how actors can operate that way in general?
Speaker 1:Okay, well, I love that. So sure I mean, make sure that your materials are all up to date. Sure that your materials are all up to date, clean, neat, organized, not too much, not too little. You know like. Make sure like get into your casting networks profile, get deep on there and do it every six months. Make sure your headshots and all of your ancillary shots that you know whatever you have in there represents who you are today.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everything should be within. You can get to that. Look within an hour. Somebody like you I highly recommend. I want to see the different growths of your beard. I want you to have four or five shots of well this is and know exactly how long it takes you to get there. This is one week. This is two weeks. Full beard is one month.
Speaker 2:This is a day.
Speaker 1:You need to know right, this is gruffy. This is a day, two days, a little bit more like, and if you had snaps of all of those, you'd be surprised how titillating that is.
Speaker 2:Interesting. I've never heard that. No, I love that. I love to be titillating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it's just. I mean because, you know, like for commercials in particular, I always ask men if they're willing to shave. But you know, but then the client will take it two steps further or 10 steps further. Well, okay, Now I'm not looking for him to shave, I'm looking for him to grow a beard. How long would it take? Yeah many times.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like a chia pet. Mine grows real fast. I got to chop it down really quick. Well, I wonder. That actually makes me curious. I've asked casting this before and I'm sure you have a different answer, because, again, everybody does. But you got to cling to the ones that speak to you the most, I think, in this business and that serve you. And I wonder, do people ever ask you what headshot I guess you connected with? If they're not submitting themselves, do they say, oh, which look did you like for this role? So then they at least kind of know what to wear for the self-tape, if they should shave or not, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:I love for the self-tape if they should shave or not, that kind of thing. I love that, the chance of me being involved in between the self-tape and the you know like choosing and the self-tape is pretty small, right, because I'm just going to ask for the self-tape, so you're going to have to make your own choice yeah um between the self-tape and the call.
Speaker 1:If we have a Zoom callback, there's more chance. I want him to look like this. So, yeah, I mean I, you know. Let me tell you just in general a headshot if you're connecting with the camera, if you're, you know the lighting, if I see you and if I see you looking at me yeah right, it's like yeah, yeah you'd be surprised. I mean, you know, I've always wanted to do this.
Speaker 1:Actually, with testing networks is like, do like a video of, of like what we see for the actors right I want I would love them to see this board of hundreds of thousands of faces and how that then you can understand, because I think there's a disconnect right yeah to what actors think we do and what we actually do yeah, and I and I mean, that's why I talk.
Speaker 2:Well, you're demystifying that. We're trying to do that here as well with episodes like these, and I hope it's helping everybody listening.
Speaker 1:It for sure? Is it for sure, is I mean?
Speaker 2:that's what we're here for. We're all here for each other. It's such a people business. And you know, rose, here we go. Our number two guideline here, our second principle Are we only on two.
Speaker 2:We're only on two. I'm trying to guide the ship and it's scary because I'm also a talker and we could talk all day. I just think you're awesome. So number two, oh sweet. Number two is people first, relationships over resumes, and I this.
Speaker 2:And when I learned this I don't even know how many years ago, and obviously it's a practice, because business things get in the way of your brain sometimes but when I learned this it totally changed the way I went into auditions. It's just seeing the people versus quote unquote casting on the other side of the table as a different entity. They're people, they're going to eat lunch on their break, they're breathing the same air as you, and so in this business it's kind of like relationships are everything, and I've always found that just treating people as people spoiler alert is more fruitful and fun. So it makes me wonder for you, rose, how do you think actors can make those real connections and not just quote unquote network? Because it's tricky, right? I mean, everybody feels differently and sometimes you're authentic, but maybe it's not perceived that way. You can't control that. But what's your advice on sort of genuinely approaching that?
Speaker 1:I think that for me it can only be organic. I am not friends with very many actors. I mean it would be like taking your work home, and we do enough of that, right yeah? So I like to have friends who are artists and businessmen and women and you know, like whatever Accountants, I don't care it doesn't matter Ice cream shop owners.
Speaker 2:if anybody out there owns an ice cream shop, I want to be your friend.
Speaker 1:Right exactly. Ice cream shop owners. If anybody out there owns an ice cream shop, I want to be your friend, right exactly sticking that in there.
Speaker 2:No, I love an ice cream shop who doesn't? But yeah, so sugar, yeah, I don't think I mean. Well, let's say, it's like a setting, like a live workshop or something that you do a q a and someone's just trying, like you're there and everybody knows you're there to connect so here's the thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't agree with any of that like okay, that feels like it goes down that pay to play crap and and that's even if it's a free one. It's like say hi to me, whatever, I'm not giving you a job from this workshop. Anybody who does anything, whether it you, it, you know. If you come, none of that, you know I don't do that and it's a hard line and yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, that's key. I think what you just brought up it's that it's not about getting the job, so it's. I actually heard a great piece of advice once which was in business, so it's I actually heard a great piece of advice once which was in business never ask somebody for something the first time you meet them, which I, I, never did or wanted to do, maybe not even the second time. It's like if you're, if you're meeting someone more than three or however many times, and you don't even need to think about this that way, but just think about, like you like meeting someone in your life and then them saying will you read my, my screenplay? Oh, will you watch my reel? It's sort of like I don't even really know you and I don't have time to watch my sister's reel. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So Also what am.
Speaker 2:I doing with this screenplay. I just meant in general in this business. But do people ask you to read their?
Speaker 1:screenplay All the time and it's like I'm not a producer. I don't, I am a casting director, yeah you know, and a podcaster, just so silly just kidding. Yeah, it's sort of like know your audience script what I am, you know, night night time to read, I don't know, I, I, I, I could, but I don't you know, and they're all like, but don't you know people, and it's like I have stuff in my head you know, like that I'd like to make into things, but it just doesn't happen. So what's?
Speaker 2:the chance of me reading your.
Speaker 1:You know it's like yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like sort of know your audience Well, I guess, speaking of knowing when you watch a self tape or you meet an actor but is there a time you could share of when someone sort of like professionalism or kindness or whatever it was, stood out and you felt like you really wanted to just see them again or have call them in more. Maybe they weren't right for that job, but like what makes someone stand out to you in that way?
Speaker 1:I mean, it's kindness, it's people like you, it's people like no, but it's it's. It is certain people, it's. There's just something about certain actors. Just the way I communicate with them, either through social media or through some emails or what have you, or through their, their reps even through their reps, I can cut through to whether or not we can, you know like, oh, I like them, I want to like, I want to find something you know like, like. We do file certain people like that away, but it could be years before the right thing comes through.
Speaker 1:People, always ask me how do I get these? I mean, I get some pretty high level stars on this show and and I'm like well, first of all, I'm a casting director, but second of all, I'm a human.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I, generally speaking, connect with these people on a human level, and then they're happy to come yeah, just like we're all just human.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, that's so sweet. Well, okay, what about somebody auditions for you? I wonder actually about this because I, as a person, always feel the need and want to send people thank you notes. I don't do that for every audition because I think it's annoying and nobody does that, but how do people follow up with you in this day and age? Speaking of the people, of it all, is there a right or wrong way?
Speaker 1:I once again. I like comments out in the join the public conversation. Right A casting is generally public on some nature, Right, Of course. A lot of it is, has ndas and all that. That. That's not what I'm talking about. But if I'm putting it out to actors, you know, and there's a way to you know. Comment on the podcast. Oh, I was just, you know, like I love this because it reminds me of the whatever I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I like the group conversation.
Speaker 2:Mm.
Speaker 1:Because I read it, which is your goal. Yeah, and so does everybody else, and maybe the other people can also learn from it.
Speaker 2:Mm.
Speaker 1:So it's not just me saving time. I'm gonna more likely read your comments on social, on the podcast, on all the things, but it's just it forms a community, which I think we should all be.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I like that approach. It's very unique. Nobody's really talked about that on this podcast before. We've had all different perspectives, but I think it's cool in the sense that we can also champion people, like someone going to your post and saying this post is great or I loved your last episode, you know, makes you happy and I think we should do that for each other, even other actor friends. It's like it matters, I think in this day and age, if you like someone's video because it's supporting, like a coming right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what it's all about. And you know what we need the most support for Auditions, rose. And our third principle we're on number three. Everybody, oh my God, is auditioning is the job, auditions are the job. I mean, just getting, I think just getting an audition in 2025 is a big win. Well, yeah, with these stats, yeah. So congratulations if you have one For this one. I really want to get your advice, obviously overall, on auditioning. So self-tapes, the gold standard these days. What, for you, separates a good one from oh what? I guess in a good, in a sense of business savvy? So what separates a business savvy one from maybe one that's just you don't want to watch it or it's you know it wastes your time, Nothing wastes my time. Sorry, I'm dancing around it.
Speaker 1:There you go, there you go, sorry, sorry, no, no no, well, of course, a good one is one that follows all the directions to a T to a T, Because you can't imagine the time we spend putting together the breakdown, putting together your self-tape instructions, checking all these little boxes and making sure that you know if I want to see your hands, there's a reason they're working hands, oh thank you.
Speaker 2:If you need a hand model, I do have a tan line from this little ring here, yeah but we can do that with makeup. What do people do? Rose, I just had to do this. I actually was really fortunate to have auditions this weekend. I had to do one for a commercial with the close-ups and it's like it's a little joy that it brings me when I put my hands up to the screen and my face is behind it and I do like a little like gleeful smile.
Speaker 2:I'm kind of like laughing to myself. What do people do when they do it like? Has someone ever surprised you with their hands, like they made you laugh? Are they like here's my hand, or do people just show you the hands? I guess don't make a bit of it.
Speaker 1:I just want to see.
Speaker 2:I'm like, I just need to see front, back of the hands and and not like this little piggy went to market.
Speaker 1:This little pig, I know right, yeah no that kind of stuff is once again. That's annoying actually there you go offense, um, but yeah, just just straight up, like all that slate stuff, separate clip make sure it's separate, because I might want to put it in the back, I might want to put it in the front, depends on the client, depends on the situation. So, but do it, because all of that stuff is every little thing that I'm telling you to do is important, everything. So do it all, don't file name right.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of people miss the file name, which I know drives some people a little crazy. Oh my God, right.
Speaker 1:But the software is pretty good now. So if you're using the software properly, the file name is not as important, but it does see this. I want the actors to see what we do, so when it comes, the file name comes out at the bottom there. So if you put slate and you put take one, take two and your name, that's helpful because then I could read, I could just do it and reorganize it and it's great yeah and some of the casting directors won't do that so great yeah, it's all one big mush, and that's fine too.
Speaker 1:Yes, but if they are separate, then I can use them separately. Same thing with your reels. I like little separate clips.
Speaker 2:Well Casting Networks has a great feature actually where on your resume, if you're looking at someone's credit, you can click play if they have a video of that credit right from their resume. It's a new feature.
Speaker 1:I mean come on, that's great.
Speaker 2:How cool is that? Okay, sorry not to. I didn't mean to throw an ad in here, but it is. When I learned about that feature I said, oh, better update my resume.
Speaker 1:I have been using Casting Networks for since it started.
Speaker 1:I'm positive of this, and I mean I remember them coming to my house, you know, because I've always been working out of the house, so it was, you know, not a big leap for me, but yeah, I love the software I just not too long ago I think, I tagged Casting Networks I used. I love the feature of your special skills right, and you can filter through that. And this is why I always tell you, be honest and fill all that stuff out. I was just looking for an organist and a certain age, a certain this, certain that Boom, boom, boom. I put it all in Guess what. The agent didn't send that person in and the agent had the breakdown. I went and found the person and said here, give me this person.
Speaker 2:And that's who got it of course I'm glad you said that everybody this is maybe the third time this has come up about being honest overall, but also with your special skills, because casting is using that to search yeah, I mean, I don't care how tall you are, but the director is going to care if you're five foot and you put down six foot and we put you against somebody who's?
Speaker 1:you know it's complicated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is complicated.
Speaker 1:It's a visual thing, we don't care. We don't hate that you're five foot, we don't hate that you're six foot. We just want to know.
Speaker 2:Thank you. That's so beautiful to hear Everybody replay that. Put that on a bumper sticker. Well, okay, here's what we just want to know as actors when we're auditioning consistently over this long career. Hopefully we were saying earlier about how it takes some people 10 years to even break through. I think of Jenna Fisher in the Office who was, you know, doing background work for a decade before she got that role. Melissa McCarthy is another one that comes to mind who almost gave up and then she got Gilmore Girls. I mean, there's a million stories. So when actors are consistently getting auditions but not booking, what's your business minded advice for that? Should they sort of reassess? Is it just hanging on and going back to your craft? What do you think about?
Speaker 1:Well, I think two things. Be a business person, so have a way to make money, whatever that is, if that.
Speaker 2:Bringing it back to the business. I love that.
Speaker 1:If it's Uber, I don't care what you're doing. You know, have a flexible job that you could still audition with. The great news is auditions, you could do it midnight. So you could be a computer analyst or what have you, and still be an actor. So have that. And then you want to definitely wait. Where was I? And then you want to definitely wait.
Speaker 2:Where was I? You could be, you could do your auditions at midnight. We're talking about sort of like if you're auditioning a lot but not necessarily booking, like reassessing and so if you're not booking, then keep working at your craft.
Speaker 1:It doesn't mean I'm not saying that you're not booking because you're bad at your craft. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying you're not booking because there are too many cooks that have to say yes in order for you to get that job. So that's, you can't focus on that. As you said, the audition is the job, so keep at it and you could go to class. You could have a friend you work out with. I mean, why aren't all actors having you know scene partners?
Speaker 2:you know scene partners, yeah, like an after show On a regular basis.
Speaker 1:This is on your schedule every week however many times that you two get together on Zoom in person, I don't care, and this is also your go-to reader.
Speaker 2:There we go.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Which we need.
Speaker 1:Right. So you have a friend, you have a reader, you have a way to work out your craft without spending thousands.
Speaker 2:I love that so much because we don't want to spend thousands. We can't. We don't have it, not yet, but we will one day, I mean, if you want to go ahead.
Speaker 1:But I just don't think it's needed. I think you can learn from each other, and I think that's the best way.
Speaker 2:Well, we touched on being a reader and we've talked about how it's a people business. But while we're in this audition principle, before we move to number four, which I promise we'll get there, I promise everybody one day keep listening, keep hanging on, keep holding on so what? Okay, I need to calm down. It's like there's a heat wave, everybody. So I'm I'm getting unhinged a little bit.
Speaker 2:I'm always unhinged. What are your thoughts on these apps that we can use for self tapes with, that have built in teleprompters, that have built in readers? You know the app can read with you and sense your voice. A lot of people use them and a lot of people book with them.
Speaker 1:So I'm curious from a casting standpoint whatever you notice that I don't care, I don't know, I try. If I notice that, then then it's a problem.
Speaker 2:Then it's a problem Got right.
Speaker 1:I should only notice you. Whatever you're doing should should not outshine your performance. So, use whatever it takes. You should have. You know, if you have a great teacher, if you have a great friend, if you have, you know, use other humans. Let's use each other. Let's use each other up, let's do that right.
Speaker 2:All these principles should just be called community, because you're such a community driven person and I think that's special, especially in these times when we need to come together. We don't have money. Yeah, we are the arts money, yeah we're. We are the arts, it's people we are the arts.
Speaker 1:There is trouble.
Speaker 2:There's trouble in paradise right here in river city there's a lot of trouble, so yeah why not get together in community and and work this stuff out?
Speaker 1:Just, you know, I listen, I do it. I am a glass artist and I go in community once a week and make my art.
Speaker 2:I love that. Can you please send us pictures of those and we can share them with this episode, because I now want to buy. I want to buy a rose glass piece. I love that so much.
Speaker 1:I'm going to picture you blowing the glass. It's a promotion of the glass. But yeah, I will send you, that's okay.
Speaker 2:You're just doing it for fun and ultimately, again, we're talking about the business of acting, but I do want to remind everybody that this shouldn't overshadow at all your love for it, because that comes first. And if you want to have longevity, which is our fourth principle here, you're going to need to follow the fun. So let's move to number four.
Speaker 1:Longevity requires mental and emotional resilience. I mean, it's literally everything. We've already talked about yeah.
Speaker 1:So if you're going to have longevity you have to have the community to lift up your spirits, to work your craft out with, to talk about the business, talk about how we're going to make money tomorrow, talk about you know like. You cannot sit here and think that you're going to be an actor and it just happens. You need your community. You need the other thing you need. I do this every day too. Get out and put my feet onto the ground. I walk outside even if it's 110 degrees, which it is, oh here today too I walk outside in community, talk out the day, complain.
Speaker 2:And you get by with a little bit of help from your friends. I think that's amazing. I have to take a walk every day, Otherwise I don't feel like a human as well. That's the thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I used to like listen on headsets, but now I like people.
Speaker 2:I love that. Yeah, there's science that actually shows that walking or exercising with somebody else improves your mental well-being. I mean, it's literally science. So I think that's great advice and even if you're doing a self-tape.
Speaker 1:30 years of this 40?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, if you're spiraling a little bit, change the energy, go for a walk, come back. This makes me wonder do you have any? Yeah well, do you have any other advice for, like, tangible tools actors can use to kind of keep that, you know, mindset going in this long game? Because we need a lot of tools? I mean walking's one for me. Mantras, affirmations, what have you seen to be successful?
Speaker 1:Hydrate breathe journal.
Speaker 2:Hydrate right now.
Speaker 1:You got to journal, you got to write your stuff down. You could write down. I don't care what you're writing, but I love gratitude, I love to write down you know three things I'm happy for at the beginning of the day. The end of the day, I don't care. You know, write down your goals. Write down what your life's going to look like in 10 years. You'd be surprised how accurate you are.
Speaker 2:Wow, and it's the specificity of it too. I think not just I want to be an actor, but I want to co-star role on this network show or whatever it is. I think that helps.
Speaker 1:My entire career is built on me writing down goals.
Speaker 2:Well, Jim Carrey, he it. It wasn't necessarily a goal, Well, I guess it was, but he filled out a check for $10 million or something and put it on his refrigerator and I think there's something to just seeing that. The action of doing it like you're saying, to really get you on track. Yeah, I love that. Well, I feel like I listened to so many interviews where actors say they were about to kind of like throw in the towel, and we've talked about that here. But today is there a moment in your own career where you feel like resilience really played a big role for you in casting?
Speaker 1:much, constantly, but like for instance when I did. Scissorhands was at the very beginning of my career and I was pregnant the entire time. We were shooting and we and we and you know this was local casting I was on set every day and in the 110 degrees. Oh my gosh, in that community that kind of picture perfect world, tim Burton world, yeah, but yeah, and an interesting fact, I did not tell them I was pregnant when I interviewed, because they would have never given it to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I did a better job.
Speaker 1:It was all fine, and then I had a baby, and so then that's where the resilience kicks in. I had a baby and my career was skyrocketing. I remember reporters coming to me as I'm breastfeeding. Oh my goodness. So that's the thing you have to. I had to make all of it work and I feel like I continue that every single day. Right, you have to plug in.
Speaker 2:You don't just make it work, You're working. How do I make it work? You're a star Rose, I mean you do the same thing.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're sweet, whatever it is, if you're waking up. If you're waking up and you're on vacation, you better make that work too, Right. Yeah, I'm terrible at that Terrible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the communication aspect, like you mentioned before, comes into play there too, because you can just say listen, I'm on vacation. I got to record this voiceover audition in a closet on my phone and I'll try and clean it up, but like if you didn't bring your mic, whatever it is, just communicate that, try it. Some people will be more lenient than than you know I have booked out of a bathroom stall in an airport, I mean that's the pull quote.
Speaker 2:I have booked out of a bathroom stall in an airport. There we go. Bye, we're done. That's amazing, I mean literally.
Speaker 1:I mean you guys think so hard about making it perfect for us and if you go in and start editing and using special effects I want to I'm going to ring your neck.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, I do know no wipes no swipes, no fades. Some people, I think, will even fall down the rabbit hole of I've heard of. They write their name on their recording, like having a take, they like and then re-recording over it different inflections of the voice, like lip syncing, their own voice.
Speaker 2:I think we put so much pressure on ourselves you know, to really make it be perfect, on ourselves, you know to really make it be perfect. But if we wanted perfect, quote, unquote we would all just use AI, which isn't even perfect, but I assume it'll be technically perfect one day. That's what we're here for. We're here for the human. We want that like little weird glimmer and the thing that you didn't even think was going to happen in the moment to happen. You've said you love being surprised in auditions. I do. We want the surprise.
Speaker 1:I want the surprise, whatever that is. I mean the last episode I did of my podcast. I messed up the first name, the last name I was perfect on and I left it in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because nobody wants to listen to somebody that thinks they know everything you know.
Speaker 1:I'm sure I don't know everything.
Speaker 2:I think none of us know anything, but together we know everything, when we come together as a community.
Speaker 1:That's what I think is the truth here and I think that's all that we've talked about is we don't independently we're not little islands that you know can figure out everything, and but together we could begin to figure it out, and that's honestly. That's why I started casting confidential. It was because I would sit on my own and do castings for decades and had to figure out everything about my business. A client would come to me and say, can you do this? Whatever it was, I'd say yes, and it would be done overnight and FedEx to them in the morning. And but now I have this amazing community of casting directors because our business is complicated. Yes, it is really really crazy and complicated. It's not just about the audition, it's about bringing in the work.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And bringing in the work that is going to be appropriate for us to hire actors, appropriate for us to hire actors. I'm not going to hire you guys onto some crappy little project that is not right, I can hire you onto something that I think will go nowhere. But if the pay is good, the situation is good. That's fine we're all working. We're all doing a little bit. We're having some art. I could put you on a student film. Nothing wrong with that, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going to talk to a student and say you're going to give them some food and you're going to give them some water. Yeah, oh yeah, the pay is is something, but it's also these little things to take care of the humans that I am putting out in the world, right, I feel like that's part of my deal, and it's like the mama bear approach.
Speaker 1:Right, and I don't know how many people realize. Also, you know, like casting, we're making offers. It is not, you know, it's us, it's us doing all that stuff, figuring it out, you know, helping them to spend their budgets appropriately. It's a lot. It's a lot more than just what happens between us in the audition room.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's probably like 30-ish percent. I've heard casting say is the audition Maybe less, maybe less? You're doing a lot more than that day to day.
Speaker 1:Right, and it depends on you know what. Most of us don't have staff anymore. We, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or, or, if you do, it's such a small office, very probably just talking to each other all day from what I hear. Yeah, so it makes sense.
Speaker 1:Community is where it's at.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Well, where it's also at is number five. We made it Rose. We're on our last principle and I think we've touched on it a bit, but I do think it's an important one to always hone back, to Stay curious.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, this is my favorite, I think in life.
Speaker 2:It's my favorite too.
Speaker 1:Did you read Brian Grazer's book about curiosity? He has two books you must read them both.
Speaker 2:No, but please. Okay, you must read them both. This is going to give me some homework. Yeah, what are they called? Do we remember?
Speaker 1:Something about curiosity.
Speaker 2:I'm curious.
Speaker 1:But he built his entire career. This is Ron Howard's you know, co-producer, right. So he built his entire career on asking for curiosity, conversations with whoever he wanted to talk about, and he just talked for you know, and they'd let him into the office and they'd talk for an hour. And that didn't necessarily yield jobs and maybe it did sometimes but it gave. You know, he built his thinking through other people's thinking. And you know, to have a curiosity conversation, which is not unlike what we're doing at this moment, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why I love this job.
Speaker 1:Exactly. We're curious people and we want to find out what makes you tick. What's going on in there?
Speaker 2:I couldn't even say job. I stumbled over it because it just is so fun for me.
Speaker 1:Right, no, exactly. You're interested in humans and you're interested in the business. You're also interested in the ice cream guy and you're interested in the business, you're also interested in the ice cream guy I am.
Speaker 2:You remember that Rose Flag that away. I got a big sweet tooth, I think, because I just did a scene where I had to talk about an ice cream shop. It's on the top of my mind.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, we're gonna have to like, get you like some ice cream.
Speaker 2:We're gonna have to get you some sugar. I'm a big believer. This is my sixth principle here have dessert every day, unless you're a diabetic, but whatever that means to you, you know.
Speaker 1:Sorry, don't do it if you can't, but that could just be a treat, metaphorically speaking, have dessert every day. Yes, have a treat every day, because the word dessert just connotates treat. It doesn't have to be food, it could be the walk.
Speaker 2:It could be, it could be your dessert. I know it doesn't sound right. No, no, I love this and I think it kind of harks back to the staying curious principle, because for me, having a treat as an actor could be, you know, watching the new Netflix show that day, or treating yourself to a class it's also important in the journey for staying curious and it's funny we're ending with this.
Speaker 1:We talked about it a bit, but can we just talk about the importance of, I guess, continuing training, even if you are booking all the time, because you talk to a lot of bigwigs that go constantly to class and some that do not so much, and if you're successful, you're successful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this could be. I mean, I will say, not that, not because of me, but this because of you could be a class for somebody right now, listening to something like this or casting confidential. That is free learning and that is free.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I mean seek out information Be curious.
Speaker 1:You know, take whatever information that is and use it toward making your scenes better. And that could be in a class, it could be going to the library and watching people. It could be walking down the street and watching people. I think that's how you get to be a better actor is observing humans, because you are creating them and they're. They shouldn't, they shouldn't be just you, right. There should be glimmers of all these people that you've seen and and and talk with through your life, and that's what makes your, your reads more rich did you study acting?
Speaker 2:Because I feel like you have such an actor's brain.
Speaker 1:Not a lick, I have no. I mean listen. This is more than I've ever cared to or been on camera is, since all of this podcast stuff and this whole thing. Yeah, I know and like what is happening, I literally I have no idea what I'm doing.
Speaker 2:Well, listen, I think none of us do, but we fake it till we make it, whatever make it is. And speaking of making it, you're making a lot of content. What about the actors who create their own content? What are your thoughts there? Do you think actors out there should be sort of if it brings them joy making things in their downtime?
Speaker 1:Yes, why wouldn't you? I mean literally, that's just like any of the other workouts we just talked about. It's all a workout, it's all. You can do a scene and put it on. You know I don't recommend doing copywritten scenes, but you can write a scene and put it on your you know, whatever YouTube, instagram, I don't care. Tiktok, yeah. Show your creativity. Even if I never see it, that doesn't matter. You should be doing that to work out. If you get a million followers because you're working out your acting chops, god bless, that's wonderful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, hey, people will take it.
Speaker 1:But just do it for fun. Let me also put a tiny caveat in. Let's also remember that we are a business right.
Speaker 2:Whatever kind of floats your boat and makes you happy, but no people are watching. And if that's if you want to reach a certain goal, I think social media is a great way to have a map, because you can use social media to fulfill yourself and do things that bring you joy and lead you to a place you know. I see people all the time especially in name use a different name, make it private.
Speaker 2:You can have multiple accounts, yeah, ok, what's your overall advice on actors and social media, because we've asked a lot of casting folks this and everybody has a different opinion. You seem like someone who's for it.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely I think it doesn't matter. I think, once again, do what makes you happy. Don't do a whole lot of obscene stuff on there, whatever that is.
Speaker 2:You know, keep Lose the of do a scene. Lot of obscene stuff on there, whatever that is. You know, keep lose the of do a scene. Sorry.
Speaker 1:Keep it professional. If, if your goal is professional, keep it professional. You know I I do speak with a lot of actors on social media, actually, you know. So you just never know who's going to come in to slide into your DMs. But don't?
Speaker 2:Yeah, hopefully an ice cream shop owner for me after this episode, let's not forget about my raffle.
Speaker 1:Can we talk about the raffle?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, bring it up as we come to a close here. I only have a few more things, but I only have a couple left this season, but please tell everybody about this raffle.
Speaker 1:I only have a couple left this season, but we'll do it again next season. The greatest show closing ever. We have a random actor. I do spin the wheel on the Instagram and put in, but you have to like, rate, review, follow. You got to do a lot of things in order to get in, so the numbers get smaller and smaller, but so this is what you get.
Speaker 2:Tell us, what do we get.
Speaker 1:This is what you get. You get to come on the show at the end and do a scene against the celebrity that I have on the show, whoever that is, and you're doing the scene and everything's groovy, and then we give you feedback all of us, me, another casting director and the celebrity I'll give yeah and you get to do it again wow, how cool is that I mean, I don't know, I, I, this season, we just really went crazy in terms of I love that the the podcast and people are loving it.
Speaker 1:And yeah, because you have a live audience, I believe you record in front of.
Speaker 2:I love that, the, the podcast, and people are loving it and, yeah, because you have a live audience, I believe you record in front of. So you a lot, of, a lot of good energy. I would probably like shoot through the ceiling with a live audience. I'd be like.
Speaker 1:I know right, yeah, yeah. I'm already excited to literally cover them up like because I'm just right, because I can't know what's happening over there, I have to focus on what's happening on my little screen. It's, it's.
Speaker 2:But I love that because, again, it's a testament to your, your, your, community creator. Let's, let's say that Rose Rosen, community creator I like that.
Speaker 1:That's, that's all I want. Honestly, For some reason, I build communities I and I love that. I love when people are together in, you know, like figuring, figuring this thing out, the acting, the life, the whatever I like it to be together, not just I'm sitting here thinking about stuff on my own. It feels. It feels so, so low, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's good to be alone, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1:I love to be alone.
Speaker 2:Everybody needs a load time. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I just I think working things out community is helpful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it helps you all too, cause within your community you're going to have actors that know sort of what you like in an audition, what you like in the business of acting, and they can all talk to each other and help each other. All the tools.
Speaker 1:It's just. It's a win-win for everybody. Dads have community, Like everybody does groups. So, actors should too, and casting directors.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'll start a little Facebook group after this. What do we think, people, we should? Just to connect and have fun and share, you know, videos of Meryl Streep talking, because what else do we want to see?
Speaker 1:Oh, my God, and that's all you need is more on your plate. That's the I don't know what number one, seven or eight at this point but that's the thing. Don't put more on your plate than you can eat. Don't, don't, do it.
Speaker 2:Don't, don't do it, just no, is a complete sentence. And you, just you need me a beautiful card that I'm going to look at every day and hang up on my wall. I think that was a wonderful way to kind of wind down here and I will say I was thinking about that this week. When it rains, it pours, I am, I didn't even, I don't even want to say this because I know it's hard to get an audition right now. I had eight this week, which is rare. It's rare, it's rare in these times, but when it rains it pours, all different kinds musical, theater, commercial and I felt so lucky but at the same time, that's a lot for you, it's a lot for a person that wants to do a good job, yeah, but it all takes everything out of you.
Speaker 2:I think, and I think too, because we all have. You know, we have day jobs, family members, lives. Some of us are in a show or on a show. When we get the auditions and you want to put so much into it that eight can seem like impossible, You're going to naturally like shine through as sort of with your own magical sauce and what will stick will stick, because I think we put a little bit too much pressure on ourselves. Sometimes it is an audition. At the end of the day it's not like you said. They're not looking for the perfect take.
Speaker 1:Otherwise they'll just do it. Well, we don't care.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love that.
Speaker 1:Wait. I mean, you probably won't get that one if you didn't do it. But it's not like I'm going to say, oh, he didn't do that one. Well, I'm never hiring, never bringing him in again. That's ridiculous. I brought you in for a reason you had a good resume, you had a good look, you had something, and I'll do that again. It's everybody has a good day, a bad day, a good audition, a bad audition None of that matters.
Speaker 2:And plus two there's so many levels of what is a good audition and what's going to book.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's just it's, it's anybody's guess. So just do it. Just do it. Do the best you can with the given circumstances and those given circumstances are timing and don't ask for a bunch of extensions, that kind of stuff sticks with me.
Speaker 2:That's a nice. Well that this is nice, like I get once in a while people need them. But this brings up a question I have for you which is I mean, as if I haven't had other questions for you, a question I have for you now wrote Do the actors that submit first and right away kind of have a leg up? So if I get an audition and I submit like that day versus waiting the whole week, does that kind of subconsciously like the person sticks in your mind? Does?
Speaker 1:it. Give them a leg up to you. It doesn't in that they stick in my mind, it doesn't. But I have had clients book before. The window is even closed.
Speaker 2:Because you get excited about a person.
Speaker 1:you send it Because they're up against the wall. This is generally speaking commercials, or if I'm replacing somebody and we have to give a certain window, right yeah, and sometimes I don't have it.
Speaker 2:I just had a 24-hour rush one Right.
Speaker 1:And I'll give the client a live link. So, they see, what they see.
Speaker 2:There you go. Right and if they see someone that's great for it, right, and then they're just going to say go, we got it done.
Speaker 1:We're done and I could go and find my locations. Get my wardrobe? I need to. I need to get this gal dressed. I need to. No, but in order to get her dressed, they need to have her sizes. If they don't have her cast, they don't have her sizes.
Speaker 2:You're so right.
Speaker 1:So it's all of the things. It's not just about the one. It's not just about you, it's not just about me, it is about the project, and that's what we all need to.
Speaker 2:You know, really understand Everybody's working so hard. It's such a, like you said, that we're focusing on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know you're not showing up and just you know this is all about you. It is certainly not. Yeah, I don't care if you're the top of the call sheet. I do not care. The people who are at the top of the call sheet never think of it as about them, the best ones.
Speaker 2:Think about it even in life, with family members or friends, the people that walk into the room and make it all about them. Do you want to really hang out with them? Not usually honestly, because it's there's no room for anybody else to shine, and I think that's a wonderful reminder. I also love this because you could be the quote unquote perfect person for the job. But there's somebody else that's good for it, and if they send it in right away and they see that the train's going to keep moving and you might have you might have missed out on something that was perfect for you.
Speaker 2:So I'm glad you answered that, because it it does stick in my brain as okay. The fastest you can get it in, the better for the most part with commercials, I think.
Speaker 1:I mean we generally say done is better than perfect.
Speaker 2:I like that too. You're dropping gems, rose, and I need you to drop two more gems, okay, because our time is ending together, like we always do, with a got and a given. So I would love the best piece of advice you've gotten and the best piece of advice you've given in this industry. So we could start with the got. What do you think the best you've?
Speaker 1:gotten overall is, I think, from Anthony Michael Hall. Oh, we have a quote. I love it. I love we can attribute it. He was, he was on scissor hands and we talked a lot and and he was just coming back up from a bad spell, if you will, and he said and I've heard many people say this since then but you meet the same people on the way up as you do on the way down, be nice to all of them.
Speaker 2:Right, you know I love that Be kind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's beautiful. You know, like the PAs. You know like the PAs are next year's directors. You know what was it? Some big movie just hired a 19 year old to direct the movie our best selves.
Speaker 2:You know everybody has bad days. But try to lead with kindness, because it's actually good for you too. It comes back to you. It's good for your wellbeing. And don't be kind to somebody just because you think they could get you something. Be kind because it will make them feel good and it will make you feel good.
Speaker 1:And then you'll be in a better mindset.
Speaker 2:There we go. The business starts and ends with kindness, and this episode ends with a given. What is the best piece of advice you have to give to today's acting community? Rose?
Speaker 1:I mean, it's really back to the beginning. Always be honest, Always, yeah, I mean you know the truth will set you free.
Speaker 2:I love that I might put an echo effect on you saying that that's so funny. The truth will set you free.
Speaker 1:I love that I might put an echo effect on you saying that that's so funny. The truth will set you free, that's so great. I mean, my favorite piece of advice is live each day as if it's your last, because we don't know.
Speaker 2:That's beautiful advice in general, and I think actually it's going to reframe self-tapes for me a bit, because film your self-tape as if it's the last one that you'll ever film.
Speaker 1:That's it. So it translates to actors. You just, you know you're like I like to tidy things up with people. You don't like to leave things in a negative space when I leave them. I want to sweep the floor you know, Sweep the floor.
Speaker 2:There's another good one. Is there going to be a rose-rosing? You know little calendar that we can rip off with quotes, Because I would buy it.
Speaker 1:Well, let's just do that then.
Speaker 2:Let's do it. Every other page can. One can be you, the next page can be me.
Speaker 1:Just, giving my number, telling people to send me ice cream. I think we're onto something here.
Speaker 2:I think so too, and we can get.
Speaker 1:Breyers hello Breyers to sponsor us.
Speaker 2:Or Ben and.
Speaker 1:Jerry's, Ben and Jerry's are really nice people actually I know, yeah, and they're very philanthropic.
Speaker 2:I want to write a biopic about them. Will you read my script, Rose? No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:They're the coolest guys though, seriously, but yeah, let's get them as sponsors and make this calendar. I love it.
Speaker 2:I love that so much. You heard it here first everybody. I went to the factory the Ben and Jerry's factory Best day of my life. Highly recommend it in Vermont. It's magical, smells good, got a t-shirt, but this was also so magical. Rose, Thank you so much for being a guest on how we Roll. I just think you are such a smart, lovely and inspiring person and I appreciate all you do for actors. You give actors so many free resources and we really need more people like you. So thanks for being you.
Speaker 1:Thank you, it's my pleasure. I loved being here with you and spending this time with you. It's always a joy to see you.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's so nice we had this time together. To quote Carol Burnett, I mean the greatest. The greatest of all time.
