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How 'Snowfall' Actor Reign Edwards Approaches Character Preparation

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Do you dream of acting on television? Are you a TV actor in need of a little inspiration? Television star Reign Edwards (The Wilds, Truth Be Told, Snowfall, High Potential, The Rookie) joins host Robert Peterpaul to breakdown the process of booking work on networks and streamers from beginning to end. From specific craft quips to insights on the business side of acting, the Daytime Emmy-nominee generously gets real about achieving television success. 

In this interview for actors, you'll learn:

• How to build self-tape choices around what feels human 
• Key takeaways from working with acclaimed co-stars like Octavia Spencer
• Tips for staying grounded after booking a major gig and fighting imposter syndrome 
• From your wardrobe fitting to filming on set: how to raise your voice in a professional way
• Why actors should really read over contracts and ask questions
• Tangible ways to nail intense emotional scenes 
• Quick-hit audition tips on slates, callbacks, co-stars, and voiceovers, plus much more

REIGN EDWARDS was most recently seen in a flashy role in season 2 of ABC's hit series HIGH POTENTIAL, as well as ABC’s THE ROOKIE. She was also seen starring in Season 3 of Apple TV hit series TRUTH BE TOLD opposite Octavia Spencer and Gabrielle Union. On the film side, she last starred opposite Bill Burr, Bobby Cannavale and Bokeem Woodbine in the Miramax comedy film OLD DADS, which Burr wrote and directed (it was a Netflix major hit that topped the charts for months). In 2022, Reign concluded her iconic series regular role of 'Rachel Reid' in Amazon’s hit series THE WILDS. Other credits include starring in the Hulu/Blumhouse anthology series INTO THE DARK and her breakout role on FX’s critically acclaimed series SNOWFALL. She also recurred on CBS hit series MACGYVER and had a three-year stint as 'Nicole Avant' on THE BOLD AND THE BEAUTIFUL, which earned her three Emmy Award nominations. Other select credits include Reign starred in Wayfarer Studios’ LOVE YOU ANYWAY opposite Charlie Gillespie, as well as CBS Films’ thriller HELL FEST, produced by Gale Anne Hurd.

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Welcome To How We Roll

SPEAKER_04

Hey, what's up? My name is Rain Edwards. I'm 5'6, and you are listening to How We Roll.

SPEAKER_05

When it comes to working in entertainment, there's a lot of hows, and they all boil down to how we navigate this wild industry. While how we follow our dreams is uncertain, how we roll along the way is in our hands. Welcome to How We Roll, a podcast for actors by casting networks. Hello, fellow actors. It's your friend Robert Peter Paul here, cheering you on in all on-screen endeavors. Today I am manifesting TV geeks for everyone, alongside a buddy of mine who has carved out quite the career for herself. Today we're rolling along with Rain Edwards. If you've turned on your TV lately, chances are you've seen today's guest. Rain Edwards has appeared everywhere from ABC hits like High Potential and The Rookie to streaming series like Apple's Truth Be Told and the Netflix comedy Old Dad. She's given fam favorite performances on hit shows like The Wild and Snowfall, not to mention three-time Emmy nominated terms, okay, for her time on The Bold and the Beautiful. Brain and I discussed her audition prep process from soup to nuts, the kindness of working with Octavia Spencer, how we can all take agency over our contracts and negotiations, sleeping on rocks, yes, you heard that right, and much more. This conversation was as informative as it was a blast and a half. Please keep submitting your house for a chance to be featured on the show. You can do so on social media at Casting Networks and at Rob Peterpaul, or at the link in our show notes. Now here's how we rolled with preparing for a TV role from self-tape to set, featuring the radiant Rain Edwards. We're rolling. The radiant Rain Edwards. Welcome to How We Roll.

SPEAKER_01

Hi, thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_05

How are you? I'm so pumped you're here.

SPEAKER_04

I'm good. I'm so glad to be here. And I'm so glad to just be talking with you because I haven't gotten to talk with you in literal years, and that's not fair. It's not good. So I'm glad we're here.

SPEAKER_05

It's not right. But we're remedying it today. And I think I know the answer to this first question, but one thing we're asking guests to start with, let's see if I do this season, is Rain. What was your first paid gig in the industry?

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

First Paid Gig And Professionalism

SPEAKER_04

So I think this was my first paid cake because I I was I was a kid when it happened, but I think this was my first paid gig. And I was like three years old. I booked a photo shoot off of a headshot. And I did not like the photographer. So I went in, and apparently the whole photo shoot, I was just like this little. But I think I still got paid for it, so you know what?

SPEAKER_05

And that's on professionalism. I do wonder, we can get into this later because today we're discussing how to prepare for an acting role when booking a TV job. And obviously, we don't have to get into specifics, but that's something you still encounter as an adult, right? You sometimes have to work with people that are maybe rubbing you the wrong way. And you're such a kind person. So I do wonder, flashing forward, now you're such a star, how do you handle those situations? Not to just dive right into the deep end, but you know, it feels relevant.

SPEAKER_00

I just mind my business. I mind my business.

SPEAKER_04

I think like one of the most important things to remember is like you have a job to do. Like you're there for the job. You're it's amazing to make friends, but you're not always gonna make friends. And that's okay. You're there for the job. So that's how I do. I just mind my business. I'd be like, you go ahead and do what you're gonna do. I'm gonna be over here.

SPEAKER_05

That's a good reminder because I feel like as creatives, you do just want to collaborate with people. And then when people put up that hard stop, some people are really good at putting it up, and then in the scene you feel like you're connecting again, and then it's like boop. And hey, it is a job at the end of the day. So that's a good reminder. I think especially for people just starting out. Yeah. As we get into the topic here, what is your advice initially overall on how people just starting out can sort of take the first step to following their dream and being on a TV show, which you've done thousands of times over at this point. But do you think there's one thing you would recommend to folks out there who have that goal?

SPEAKER_04

Oh my God. I I will say I was very fortunate that I was a kid. And so my mom was handling a lot of stuff for me in that space. But one of

Getting Started And Standing Out

SPEAKER_04

you know what? I honestly don't even know if this would like be a thing anymore. It might be. Maybe it will make you like stand out because it's everything's so digital nowadays. But literally, my mom would just send our headshots with our resumes on the back and send it out to agencies.

unknown

Wow.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, because your sister was an actor too, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So yeah, just send the resumes out via mail, and then we would hope to get a message back from an agency in a bottle.

SPEAKER_05

No.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, you know, just send it overseas.

SPEAKER_05

But pigeon. Can I get an little owl, maybe?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Oh my gosh, I was just watching Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_05

Uh, I know.

SPEAKER_04

But yeah, so that's how it was done when I was younger. And then obviously being on like casting networks and all these different things, like submitting yourselves, a lot of self-submission was like the first step and doing a lot of extra work.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Do you think that the handwritten stuff still lets you stand up today in the sense of thank you notes? Because I feel like jumping the gun here, we're gonna go back and talk about preparing for a TV role. But at the end of it, I'm always tempted to, you know, send a note if I can or like leave a little card on someone's trailer door.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I know I think so. I think that, you know, I guess in a world of like digital everything, it's nice to just be like connect in that way. Like I still do it or still try and have something just to show that like I appreciated working with you, whether we had a good time or not, just like the opportunity to collaborate and be in a space like that. Like I I do like to do that. And it does make a difference. And like I mean, it probably was because it was Octavia Spencer, but I literally geeked. She literally gave me like a a card at the end with a champagne bottle, and I was like, like I freaked out. Actually, is my little binder in here? You're like, you can't ever drink that. I literally have it. I I did drink it. Um, but I still have the bottle.

SPEAKER_05

Honestly, no, better answer drink it because that's probably the fountain of an iconic career.

SPEAKER_04

Um, but yeah, no, I do I put the note that she left me in my little uh scrapbook.

SPEAKER_05

Oh what an iconic, lovely person. We just had her on another podcast I produce, and just so talented and kind, but also grounded.

SPEAKER_04

Yes.

SPEAKER_05

She is a crazy story too.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my god. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05

I think she started in casting, and then the casting office was like, You're making faces, you know what I mean? You should be auditioning roles.

SPEAKER_04

That's so funny. I thought you were saying she had a crazy story as and like a funny story. But no, that that I didn't know that that's where she uh started. That's so awesome. She's sweet the sweetest, and like I learned so much watching her on set. Um it was incredible to see, especially another black woman as a lead on set and like taking care of the way she took care of crew there, like food trucks every other week, like every at least every episode. But like she always made sure to let you know that you did a good job. So, like at the end of every day, and a lot of my scenes were head-to-head with her. And at the end of every day, she was like, Great job today, Rain. I was like, thanks.

SPEAKER_05

No, but thank you so much. Well, first of all, you killed it. That show so good. Watch that show if you have not seen it. I mean, and you are just stellar. And it's funny because when I interviewed you years ago, I hadn't seen The Wilds, and then I sort of researched you, and we and then we just all like had such great chemistry with Chandler, and we had such a good time. And then I feel like I've just kind of cheered you on as a friend over the years on social media. I see your stuff. And then I go back and research you again for this, and I'm like, Ray has such an incredible career. It's like a CBS receipt of credits from co-stars to movies to Octavia Spencer to Bill Burr. I mean, the list goes on to Snowfall, which it's like my friend's favorite show. They're trying to get me to watch it, and I'm going to, it's on my list. But I told them you were coming on here today, and they freaked out. They were like, her performance is so underrated. She is phenomenal. Like they were going off about you. And so I wonder now that I've just sort of encapsulated your whole career here, the journey usually starts the same way, right? With an audition. And you usually have an agent or you have established relationships with casting over the years. Have you found that it's a lot of the same casting directors calling you in, first of all, and sort of championing you? Okay.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Um and I definitely am grateful that like so I finished high school early so that I could be considered legal 18. And so Smarty. With that, thanks. Um and so with that, there there was a year that I took um after school and I was just going in over and over again. And I hadn't booked with anybody, but I kept seeing the same people. And those people were championing for me so much that I eventually they didn't want to give up like finding me a role. So it was, I'm definitely grateful to have those relationships, and it is a lot of the same people. So I'm really grateful for that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Well, what I'm grateful for, besides you being here today, is that someone at your level who I would describe as, you know, a working actor who's a star in their own right and continues to be on the rise and booking such incredible things, isn't always as open about the process. And you have a phenomenal YouTube channel that I did do a deep dive on, Rain, where you share all sorts of things from just your daily life to the audition process to I saw you sitting in your car before going on a voiceover gig.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

So I wonder from soup to nuts, you get the email with a breakdown. How do you first break that down internally and then begin your process for preparing for a TV role, which again starts with the audition?

SPEAKER_04

Well, first and foremost, for me, I always make sure that like, cause you know, when you get the breakdown, you get like a little bit of the description of not only the character, but what's gonna happen in the show. Sometimes you'll say, like, what's gonna be required, what's not gonna be required, like sometimes they'll be like singing required, sometimes they'll

Audition Prep From Breakdown To Tape

SPEAKER_04

be like ice skating or um different things like that. Um so first and foremost, I always check those things to make sure it's something that I'm comfortable with. Um and that's because I think that's a huge thing. I think a lot of actors can be made to feel like you just have to choose whatever, and you don't like you get a say in what you put yourself through because even though we are playing another character, it's still our physical body going through whatever emotions we're going through. So I think it's very important to first consider your person before going in for a role. Um, and then I look at it from the perspective of, okay, have I done this before? You know, and that was something too. Like my mom always had said to me, like, would we don't do the same role twice. And then when I worked with Octavia, she said the same thing. She said, You've already done this role, don't you do it again? I say, Yes, ma'am.

SPEAKER_05

Oh uh You gotta listen to Octavia.

SPEAKER_04

You gotta listen. But it's so that because that tends to happen, and I don't know, I feel like it's it might just be because casting is like, oh, well, they did such a great job in this, they can do the same role again because I know they're gonna do great at it, but at the same time, that's a very easy way to get like pigeonholed.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Um, so I think it's very important to consider those things first, and then I go into looking at the sides, look at the character description of like, oh, is this something like I think would be challenging? Do I think it would be fun? Like, and that's kind of like what I teeter totter on. Like sometimes I know a role might not be as challenging for me, but it seems really fun. And so I'm like, I'm gonna do that role. And then sometimes I'll get a role and I'm like, this seems really challenging, but that's also fun for me. So just like two different forms of fun. And that was definitely what uh Rachel in the Wilds was for me. Like that was a challenging character when I got the side, when I got the breakdown. I was like, oh my god. Um but yeah, that's kind of what I what I consider when I when I do that, and then I do the tape, and I also not too much, I think there's a balance to it. I try to consider what I think the easy way is, because a lot of people are gonna do that. So I think about like what are most people gonna do for this tape, and try to avoid doing that, especially because sometimes you look at the sides and they kind of write it out for you and don't leave any room for creativity. And so because of that, a lot of people may go in and do exactly what it says when the fun is kind of like you're still your own artist and you get to come in and bring something different to it. Um and then I think also too, from being on a soap, I don't it actually was like kind of ingrained in me to not look at the subtext. So a lot of times I just learn the lines first and don't look at any of the subtext, um, which is both a blessing and a curse, because the blessing is I get to be fully creative and do whatever I want to do, but sometimes I forget, like, oh yeah, I'm actually supposed to like hold a cup up or something here.

SPEAKER_05

I know. Well, no, I'm so glad you said you said that because that's something I always feel like the instinct to do in an audition is just memorize the lines and get that out of the way. And then a lot of people talk about how you can get into patterns, but I think it's such a personal thing. Really?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

I think it's like a personal thing. And if that's what works for you, it's like get the lines under your belt. I mean, listen, if you get the audition the day before and it's due tomorrow, also like if your brain doesn't work that way, because you were on a soap opera, which is such great training, and I'm sure your like memorization skills are off the charts, right?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I I will say I can brag about that. Hey, do it. This is the space. Yeah, no, that definitely I remember there was one day I had to film three episodes in one day, and it was all my dialogue. It was all me. Like every scene, I had paragraphs and paragraphs and paragraphs. So it definitely does like make your brain a machine for stuff.

SPEAKER_05

How do you not spiral on those instances? That was some a question I had for you later, in the sense of it's the night before, you do your sort of night before routine, and then you get new pages, and maybe it's all you, like you said. Is that something I'm sure you've just gotten used to it being on a soap wrapper, but was that something you struggled with at first?

SPEAKER_01

Fly. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05

The fly's trying to book.

SPEAKER_04

And listen, fly, this is a you know, like though there's not been a fly in the house for I don't know how long, but the day I need to do a podcast, the fly comes in.

SPEAKER_05

Um It's trying to be the star. If it makes you feel better, I can't see the fly. It's a tiny one.

SPEAKER_04

Yay! Great. There's no fly in my house. Where are you just? There's no fly?

SPEAKER_05

We're gonna cut that out.

SPEAKER_04

Um so sorry, oh, did does that like how to do that? Did you ever struggle with that sort of? Yeah. That's interesting. I think I had the natural human emotions sometimes of like a moment of frustration of being like, man, but then I'm like, gotta do it anyway, and just get it done. I love it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Eventually, from doing it so much, it got to the point where I actually would like shocked myself, and I'll never forget the day where I realized I'm like, oh my goodness, I can memorize faster now. Because I was used to like when I first started the soap opera, it would take me two hours to learn my lines. And then there was one day we were on set, and I completely forgot that we had a PC scene, which they but PC scene is what we have for overseas because they don't have as many ads as we do, or at least they didn't at the time. So we had to film an extra scene of the show to be able to fill in the time of that the show was airing.

SPEAKER_00

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04

And I completely forgot we had a PC scene, and someone, one of the interns, came down and like gave it to me in my dressing room, and I was like, oh and I get it, and I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like, okay, I can do this 30 minutes. I can memorize the scene in 30 minutes. And then 10 minutes goes by and I'm like, I think I know the scene. Wow. And I memorize it and I was like, wow, I can memorize it in 10 minutes now.

SPEAKER_05

That's that's big, bold, and beautiful. If I'm gonna put it into three words, it's right there. That's amazing. Now I'm like, is that a fly trying to come in my window? Everybody. Oh my god. I know the conversation's on fire, but you need to go. Well, going back to before you book the role during the self-tape process, you mentioned not wanting to lean into what you think everybody else is gonna do or what you think that casting might want. Is that something you'll sometimes do? Maybe you'll send two takes, so you'll sort of do a version like, okay, this is it, and then you'll do a fun run. What's your advice on that for a self-tape, I guess, specifically?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Sometimes I do both. Sometimes, I'm not gonna lie, this might not be good. But sometimes I just don't care. Like I'm like, this is this is more interesting to me.

SPEAKER_05

And so those are the ones you book, the ones you don't care.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, because I'm just like, this is more interesting to me. You've seen the pretty popular girl be mean a thousand times over. What if we have a version where she has purpose to her being mean? Like, you know, like what if she's just traumatized? What if she just really feels incredibly insecure and actually has a moment of showing that? Like, you know, I think that I just like it. You know, and just won't leave her alone and like her whole life, and she just is now this frustrated person, 2016.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, wait. Would you rather have a fly follow you around for your entire life? Or I didn't have the or and I kind of dove in. Or not. Or not. Probably not. Okay, probably when you that was a big swing. And when you're looking at making these big swings and these big choices, I wonder what's the biggest thing that sort of informs the choices you're gonna make for a character early on, from sort of their attitude to what you're wearing, even in an audition, what sort of helps you sink into it the most?

SPEAKER_04

The humanness behind it. Like it's not just what is on the surface for me. It's you know, because in the breakdown, Casting will say, Oh, this person is like this and da-da-da-da. But when I read the script, what is the script telling me that is beh underneath the surface level? And that for me is what drives a lot of it because that's what makes it real for the audience to me.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. I think that's brilliant too, because sometimes we can read breakdowns and then pull out one keyword and it's like, okay, we're just playing over-eager. And I mean, listen, sometimes for a co-star role with one line, they just it's not about you. It's just serving the scene and you gotta do whatever like it's like.

SPEAKER_01

It is what it is.

SPEAKER_05

But I think it's cool to dig underneath because then you're sort of they also don't really know what they want, right? They're just making these breakdowns on the fly and it's a new show, and they sort of want you to show them. And you always bring that again from co-stars to recurring, even just looking at your YouTube channel again, which I did do for this pod. I love seeing how you sort of open the curtain and champion actors also in the sense of taking agency and signing their contracts. So let's say you you booked it, congrats. When you book a TV role, what's your top tip in that regard for looking over a contract? I think especially when we have representation, we can sometimes just feel like they can handle it and that's fine. But I love that you remind doctors that it's always important to actually look at it yourself.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Well, I think the biggest thing is like, you know, whether obviously I think there's like horror stories of people like intentionally doing things or whatever, but also sometimes it's not even that it's intentional. They have so many contracts they're pushing out for a show. They might mixtures up with somebody else's, you know. So you really want to make sure that it's yours, you know, and make sure that you're signing what your team actually went over for you. And also I think it's important, like with your team going over what everything means. We're not lawyers, so it's like I asked my lawyer, I'm like, what does this mean?

SPEAKER_05

We display them, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04

Explain what I'm doing, right? You know, and I think that's so important because it's easy for actors to feel like or it's easy sometimes for the studio or the other side to look at us as props and we're humans. And so it's very important to make sure that when you're looking in your contract, you're not being treated just like a prop, and that you feel like, okay, this is what I'm understanding because I'm Obviously, there's the business side to it and you want to look at everything and be

Contracts And Protecting Your Image

SPEAKER_04

like, okay, this is what I'm coming in to do, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I also want to make sure I'm understanding what it means when I do this work, like legality-wise, like and making sure that I'm okay with that, making sure that like, you know, because there's a bunch of different things that I didn't know about, like body doubles and things like that. And like you don't know, you just don't know. So you want to make sure that whatever is going on and however they want to portray the show with your character is something that you're comfortable with.

SPEAKER_05

Oh wow, that's a great point. I didn't think of body doubles because my mind goes to learning more about, you know, in this world of AI and all that stuff, what they can sort of do with your image and if that's just in the constraints of the show, or if they can sort of, you know, I don't know, they could bring you back a whole other season and you don't even show up.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Which is wild. Yeah, it's so wild.

SPEAKER_05

And also there's what's the term? Irrevocable is a big term that you should try and usually get like X'd off a contract if you can, because that literally means you can't ever fight it. There's a lot of things. So I do appreciate you being open about that. And I guess moving into the next phase, as you prepare for set, I know for me, and you're I think you're chiller than me. So you may not have this problem. But once I book like a especially a bigger TV or film gig, even if it's a a little roll, there's no small rolls, everybody.

SPEAKER_04

It's No, there's no small rolls.

SPEAKER_05

It's the in-between time that I feel like can sometimes mess with you a little bit. So how do you stay grounded and not overthink things from booking to actually showing up? Have you, I don't know, had that experience of sort of spiraling a bit off?

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Uh because imposter syndrome is real sometimes.

SPEAKER_05

You know, sometimes it comes up and you're like you know you're gonna work right against Octavia Spencer.

SPEAKER_04

I mean how to that was that was a big one. And my first scene with her was a fighting scene. I said, you've gotta be kidding me.

SPEAKER_01

So terrifying. Like I kidding.

SPEAKER_04

I know originally they had written it where my character had like, I mean, my character had long nails, but they had like written in the script that my nail kind of almost almost swipes her. I'm like, well, how am I gonna do that? I was terrified. I was like, Imagine swiping her. Oh my god, oh my god. I know, and I was like, I can't swipe Octavia's face. What's going on? And so, um, but yeah, I mean, I mean, I know for me, like, number one, I pray. I'm like, Lord, help me to please like like please. And then, you know, take some deep breaths and um, but also remind myself that I booked. There's a reason I'm here. That's a big one. I repeat that in my head over and over and over again. Like, yeah, you booked it, you did the audition. You're here because you can do it.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So that's that's probably that's that's a really big one for me.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I'm gonna tattoo that on my forehead and just walk in everyone being. I booked it. They're like, you actually didn't this time. But it says it.

Staying Grounded Between Booking And Set

SPEAKER_05

I love that. I appreciate that. Looking at, I guess, the trajectory then going forward, it really all starts with a fitting, right? And this is something we talk about a lot on here, but I feel like a lot of people don't talk about in general. We kind of gloss over that part. Do you have advice for actors on on wardrobe fittings and kind of showing up that first day?

SPEAKER_04

I know it's so funny. What's so funny is I used to be so excited for fittings. I used to be like, oh my god, I have a new role, I'm about to try all these clothes, blah, blah, blah. And then eventually I started getting frustrated because I felt like I was shopping and didn't get to take anything home.

SPEAKER_05

Right?

SPEAKER_04

Yes. And I'm like, I feel like I just went shopping for three hours and now I don't take anything home.

SPEAKER_05

And so now I'm And then you get on set and it's like the one you didn't love. No.

SPEAKER_04

But I will say it's okay to speak up. Like, obviously, there's still a character you have to portray. So, you know, don't be like, I'm not wearing anything. But, you know, just like compromise a bit. And like if you don't feel comfortable or like it's like I'm very vocal in the sense of like, yeah, this isn't sitting right. Like, we're probably gonna have a lot of problems, you know, or like saying, like, I like this outfit better. And I've been also been very fortunate. Like the wardrobe people that I've been with have been really cool. Like, I'm very fortunate in that sense where they're like, Do you like this better or do you like this better? And then um, I tell them which one I like better, and they'll be like, Okay, I'll advocate for you on this one. I'm like, bang.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, that's lovely.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, just talk. Just be human.

SPEAKER_05

Well, it is the best to talk with wardrobe and even in the the hair and makeup room, I find they're always the ones that are just down to clown. If you know if you want to want to chat or whatever it is, but I love that you bring this up because that's something I admire about you is that you don't seem to be afraid to raise your voice and advocate for yourself. And I wonder if that's something you feel like you just have because you started so early on in the industry, or if it's something you had to learn, specifically with showing up on an established show. Like let's say I know you did high potential, which so good. I love that show.

SPEAKER_02

And you killed it. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05

Showing up in a show that's a well-established machine and you're maybe, you know, a day player or whatever it is, sometimes you don't feel like you can really advocate for yourself in the character because you're kind of like, uh, what what's your advice there, I guess, now that I've thrown a lot of word salad your way.

SPEAKER_04

No, I have word salad all the time. Um I think it's important to remember number one, well, for I mean, not everybody, but like in my case, we're all adults. We get upset, you know what I mean? Sometimes there's kids, but it's like, you know, just reminding, like, we're all here to get a job done, you know? And it's also like something you have mentioned earlier, which is like sometimes it is like a one-liner where it's not really about you. And I think that that's also an important skill as well, is to recognize what your role is, not just in the sense of like, yeah, I'm here playing this character, but like, okay, what am I, what is the purpose of my character here to do for this show? And I think that makes such a difference in how you knowing when and to pick and choose your battles, when to speak up, and when it when it really matters to speak up, or whether it's something like, you know, you're kind of just taking up time that's not necessary, you know? Like some, like if you have a one liner saying, Look, that guy, and you know, there's a whole other scene going on, and you keep going up to the director saying, Hey, you know, I just feel like maybe it should be a higher pitch. Look that guy. Like, you know, like that's not that's not.

SPEAKER_05

She has a lot of trauma. So when he sees that guy, I do think there would be a push-in and a tear.

SPEAKER_04

And a tear. You don't feel that? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05

And a different sweater, maybe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a lot.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. So it's that's that's a skill too, though. It's like knowing what what your role serves in the overall show, not just in the moment.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. And do you take that lead sort of, I guess obviously from the script, but also on a television set, there's a lot of different directors coming through a lot of the time. Do you take that lead from sort of the director, the tone they're setting, the number one that you're working opposite? How do you sort of find the ability to do that?

SPEAKER_04

I look at a few different things. Number one, I look at the show and like network that I'm on. Like what kind of show is this? Yeah, you know. Um, so like something for CBS, they're probably not gonna go like too, too deep into certain things because they're more family-oriented and they want things like to be exciting, but not where it's something a kid can't watch. You know what I mean? So, like learning that that's the style of the show, I'm like, okay, my choices don't need to be as deeply rooted in something, or you know, like, because that's just not the type of show that it is. Um whereas a show like truth be told, I do need to speak up more because it is a bit deeper. It's a lot deeper. That's that show is a very um emotional show. So that's something that you know I did speak up for myself on certain things. Like there's I remember one scene in particular that it was like the director was like, I think we're a good move. I said, No, I need one more time. I was like, just give me one more time and I'll be good. And then I did it the one more time, did it exactly what I felt and like wanted to do what I saw myself doing, and the director was like, Yeah, glad we did that one more time. You know? So it's it's really knowing who your character is, what type of show you're on, and what role the sh the character serves to the overall show.

SPEAKER_05

Hmm. Well, truth be told, he killed it on that show, like I said. Sorry, I'm looking always looking for the silly dad pun. And when you're on set, let's say you're now in the trailer, I guess take me through some of the things you do before filming or just in your downtime. Do you have a certain routine you've noticed from show to show?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I am a music girly. Like I need to, that helps me a lot with um whatever I'm doing, like especially for emotional things. So, like for emotional things, I usually tend to tell everyone around me, like, hey, I'm probably not gonna talk as much. I'm gonna be a lot more quiet. Um, I'm gonna be with my headphones on, like in a zone that way, just so like people don't think I'm being rude. Just to, you know. And it also helps set a precedent of like how people should treat you when you're trying to get yourself in that space, you know, of being like, and sometimes I'll say it too, like, I need you to be a little bit more gentle with me right now because I'm trying to stay in this space.

SPEAKER_05

Um You're right, because we don't go up to the crew when they're like on a ladder tightening a light or whatever, isn't it? Like, hey, so where were you born? I mean, maybe I didn't do that, but we should I should.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, but it's just yeah, just falls now. Um but yeah, so it's like it's important to like kind of to express that and share where you're at. And and also I think an important thing too, like what I was saying earlier, is like you you're not a prop. Your body's actually going through something when you're doing these these roles. And so for me, um, I've learned like my body

On Set Routines For Emotional Work

SPEAKER_04

best responds to like being able to get into character when I have a moment. Like I usually tell the PA, like, hey, give me like five or ten minutes before I'm supposed to be on, so I can calm my body down to get myself into that place. So I can ease myself into it, and then after the scene's done, I ease myself out of it.

SPEAKER_05

That's really smart because then you get on set and you're surrounded by, I don't know, sometimes 40 people kind of staring at you. And if you don't feel like you had the time to get into that place or prepare, you know, you can kind of get out of your body. And you've got to do so many intense things on screen. I mean, seriously. Yeah, I guess uh specifically with those type of scenes, when you are on set and you can feel yourself maybe not being in the zone, what do you do to sort of like snap back into it?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I do say, like, just can you give me five minutes or can you give me two minutes? You know, because obviously they're all like, let's go, let's go, let's go. You know, but I'm like, give me, give me two minutes. And then that's when I dive like really deep. Um I go to a dark place. Let me stop. Um, but yeah, I do. Like I just pull up, like, you know, like for instance, like for a lot of the wild, for a lot of my roles actually. My grandfather passed away when I was 14. And so I have pictures of him on my phone that I use for whenever it's like it's not happening. I kind of dive from there and just enough to get the emotion there. And then I can use music to kind of train it to go where I need it to be. Um, but I think also it's very important, like I said, to ease your body into those things and ease your body out. Because otherwise, if you don't prepare your body, you're kind of like shocking it. Like, you know, and then you're wondering why it's hard to like be happy. Like, you know, you're like you're wondering why, like, I still feel really sad or I still feel this, especially because when we're doing those scenes, we're in that mode for hours when you're on a prime time show. So it's important to be very gentle with yourself to make sure you're communicating to others what you need. Like sometimes I'll separate myself completely and like from the rest of the cast because I also don't want to be a person that's like, if you guys don't have an emotional scene today, you guys chop it up and have a great time. I'm gonna be over here in my little cloud so I can perform the emotional scene that I have today, you know?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Yeah, I know. I almost wish that we could have little secret airpods in our ears and play music during a scene because music is so helpful. You're like, if I could just perform it with the music, I know they add it in later, but it really gets you where you need to go quickly.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Well, also I ask. I ask for them to have it right on hand. Like as soon as they say cut, headphones are in immediately.

SPEAKER_05

Smart. That's really smart. I I wonder too, with the getting out of it, how you're kind to yourself in that way. Because I do feel like it's a window, right? And then sleep is sort of the pandemic of our industry. It's like, okay, you might have an emotional scene, but then the next day you actually have to be on set at 4 a.m. for a party scene or whatever it is. Yeah. So yeah, how do you treat yourself with kindness in those in-between moments?

SPEAKER_04

Um, so like in terms of like coming down, I definitely just like let the emotion finish writing its course. So sometimes if I need to finish crying, I finish crying and let it out. Um, and then just move slow. I move so slow. Like I'm just like every movement with myself is very gentle. And even the way that I talk is very gentle. And with people come up to me, I'm just very like, okay. Like, just very, very soft so that my body doesn't feel like it has to jump right back into something. And then as far as sleep, one thing I don't play about is my sleep. Um I do not play about my sleep.

SPEAKER_05

Are you a good sleeper? Is it easy for you to just kind of conk out?

SPEAKER_04

Oh my god, I can sleep anywhere. On the wilds, I literally slept on a rock.

SPEAKER_05

Wait, on a rock?

SPEAKER_04

I on a rock.

SPEAKER_05

No pillow?

SPEAKER_04

No. I was like, oh I had my cash jacket on, and I was so tired because in the wilds we had such early call times. Like we would be picked up at 3 45 in the morning, and then we wouldn't get back to like nine at night. So we had a lot of forced calls with that show, yeah. Um, but I just remember we were filming and they needed me for like sometimes they needed me for eyeline, sometimes they didn't need me for eyeline. So it was kind of like on and off. So I was like, I'm just gonna be on this rock that is in the vicinity of the eyeline, but I can also hear if they need me to be away.

SPEAKER_05

That rocks. That's so funny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So I literally it was like a big boulder on the beach, and I just conked out.

SPEAKER_05

And you said big boulder and beautiful. Sorry, I don't know. These are these are these are bad. You're like my wife self-taping with me. She's like, Well, can I sit? And I'm like, sure. You know, I think that's that's so cool. I wonder from the wild, you know, onward, we've we've mentioned so many projects that you've done. You talked about Octavia at the top, but I wonder if there's a specific technique you picked up from another actor on set over the years that you can share.

SPEAKER_04

Absolutely. It's kind of stuck with you. The first one I can think of is when I was on Bold and Beautiful, my older sissy, Carla Mosley.

SPEAKER_02

Oh.

SPEAKER_04

I will never forget she really like taught me without knowing. She taught me like the depth of humanity and like in a in a moment when it comes to hurt, and a lot of our hurt selves is like our childhood selves. And so now, like, from a lot of time when I'm reaching from like a hurt place or like a uh lost place, it's very childlike. And that's because there is a scene because her character was the first transgender character on a soap opera, and she was dealing with the abandonment of her parents, and specifically the uh difficult relationship she had with our father. And I just remember the scene was between her and our dad and our mom, and the and I'm just watching on the side, like watching everything happen. And the mom, our mom was always conflicted about the relationship, and she literally yelled even in the midst of father and daughter arguing, she yelled mommy. And it just brought this layer of like this hard character that's like so used to fighting for herself, so used to like going against the grain. At one point on the show was a villain, like all of these, this hardcore element, and the shell broke. And I just remember being like, Wow. Oh my god. Like it was just it was just like she was in the midst of arguing, and then all of a sudden just had a moment where she was like, mommy, like and it was like this heartbroken cry. And I was like, girl, who taught you to do that? It was it was incredible, it was incredible.

SPEAKER_05

That is insanely brilliant. I'm so glad you shared that because I think that's something tangible, and I'm big on tangible tips. And I have so many actor books right here that I love and I've taken so many classes I love. But sometimes it's just so up in the air that if you can find something like this that's specific to a certain beat, an emotional beat, and you know, okay, in this moment I could think about something with my childhood, it just it makes the process all that more fun and textured and layered and easier to snap into. So I appreciate you sharing that. I think that's gonna help a lot of people.

SPEAKER_04

Of course, of course. Shout out to Carla

Craft Lessons And Quick Audition Tips

SPEAKER_04

Mosley. She's an incredible actress. And she's on Beyond the Gates now.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, that's another one that's on my list. I think soaps are pretty stick to the script. Like as far as improvising, can we talk a little bit about that in the TV world?

SPEAKER_04

Soaps are kind of in between. Sometimes I do want the um like word for word, which sometimes is like, come on now. But it's only because they're yeah, it yeah, it well, it's more so with like something that I had to like get used to working on a soap was I would, even though I was like talking to my sister on the show, I'd be like, Maya. Every scene, I'm like, Maya, Maya, Maya. I'm like, at some point I wouldn't keep saying her name. Like I was like, I know who she is. I'd be like, hey, come here, like you know, and but the reason why they have you say names so often or like re-explain is because with soap operas, because they air every day, there's a lot of new viewers coming on at any moment, and they want them to be able to latch on to the drama right away. So that's why you always feel like you're over saying someone's name or over-explaining what's been going on, even though you just talked about it in the scene before. But it's because they can grab a lot more viewers because they're every day.

SPEAKER_05

And I guess the same would apply to again, like a high potential or a show you're coming in on to serve sort of that crime or that story. It's like a lot of it is sort of exposition, right? That you have to carry in a in a quick way. What's your advice on that? Just kind of like say it.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Don't over hit it.

SPEAKER_04

Don't overthink it, you know. Just go. I mean, you got it. So just do what you did in your audition. Like don't overthink it and be open to like g giving different versions if they do want it, you know.

SPEAKER_05

Is that what you do in a callback too, as far as doing what you did in your audition? Is it like you try to wear a similar thing and then just bring what got you called in? Yes. I love that. I do that too. Because you'd like that's why you know they might have remembered you as like red shirt lady, you know?

SPEAKER_04

Because that's what worked. So we're the exact same thing back.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. Well, to mind your beautiful brain for more of these tips, we have a surprise game. It's called Casting Keywords. And uh, my water bottle fell down. It got excited. I'm gonna say a phrase featuring a keyword from our business and our business, and you whoops. It's business. Business. I'm like, ah, try not to curse on your rob. And you it's gonna rank us lower. And you please complete the sentence with the best piece of advice you have. So it's sort of a flash round, fast-ish, and I'll say this, and you just like finish the sentence with advice. Does that make sense? Okay.

SPEAKER_00

I I hope, I hope I can okay.

SPEAKER_05

No, you're gonna be great. Here's the first one Actors should approach networking like a human. Done. Beautiful. A great audition slate always is happy.

SPEAKER_04

I'm just gonna know. Oh, okay. Just like in their face. I don't know how to put it. Like I'm always like, hey, what's up?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, like your best self.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, like uh inviting, that's what I want. You want to invite them in, whether it is upbeat for uh, you know, hey, what's up, kind of upbeat role, or inviting in like melancholy because it's kind of dark.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, that's good. Do you make a meal out of your slate or are you just kind of like just slate, just kind of do it?

SPEAKER_04

No, just slate, and then like if it's upbeat, I'm like, hey, what's up? My name is Rain Edwards. If it's not, I'm like, hi, my name is Rain Edwards. Love that. Full body.

SPEAKER_05

I'm five seven. Oh, the full body. Sometimes I do just I keep it and then I put a full body picture of me, like slides in and I point to it.

SPEAKER_04

Really? That's a creative. That's it.

SPEAKER_05

I'm like, it's the same body, just I don't know. I've never heard anybody say don't do that.

SPEAKER_01

So it's I don't steal that from you because I get doing full body slate.

SPEAKER_05

It's uh especially depending where you are, it's so hard to get the full bot, and you're like, my cat's ripping down the backdrop in the background.

SPEAKER_04

And then it's also like I'm still five, six and each slate, I don't know. Come on.

SPEAKER_05

I remember I did something, you know, those ID like discovery shows so long ago when I first started out, and I got to set, and I think they didn't have me slate or whatever it was, but I remember just like the director looking at me and being like, oh, you're short, or like something like that.

SPEAKER_02

And I was like, Oh my god!

SPEAKER_05

Maybe that's why maybe that's why we do it. They're like, lower everything, lower the camera. Oh my god, that's crazy. That short, sir. Also, it's like being short. Okay, my the next one. My biggest self-tape audition tip is do what you want. That's good. With co-star auditions specifically, I recommend.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, oh, sorry, I thought you meant with another person in the room.

SPEAKER_05

Well, ideally, but sometimes, you know, it's just my voice recorded. Just kidding.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, honestly, same thing. Be yourself.

SPEAKER_05

I love that. For actors looking to break into voiceover, I recommend.

SPEAKER_04

You're gonna have to do a lot of takes, but just try. Be like as extra as you want to be in voiceover, because they don't see your face.

SPEAKER_05

What about voiceover auditions? Do you sort of just like keep doing it over and over again and pick the best ones?

SPEAKER_04

Is that oh yeah. I just go, so I do one full thing of all the lines, or like of the line that I'm working on, and I do like four different takes of that line and then choose the best one.

SPEAKER_05

And then move on to the next? Because that's smart because sometimes I do that, and then it's like I gotta weed through a half hour.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, well, let me not do one line at a time.

SPEAKER_05

As you go. Okay. One line at a time. That's pretty great. What about auditioning for a recurring role specifically?

SPEAKER_04

Obviously, like the same thing, be yourself. But with a recurring role, if you can find out what the arc is, use that.

SPEAKER_05

And give the arc, give your scenes arcs. I feel like we forget about that a lot.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because a lot of times with recurring, they'll kind of give you a little hint of like this is where she's starting, this is where she's going. Or they'll be like, at least they'll give you a hint of like something traumatic happens or whatever. So like use that because the whole point of the recurring is the arc that's in there.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

And then you end your scene suddenly like, ah, no, just kidding. In trauma, they're like, whoa, we need to want you to go there. No, that's really smart advice. Thank you for all those tips. Those were all so great. Appreciate you playing. You win just an awesome personality and career. We touched on your YouTube channel and the fact that you create your own content, which I think you almost kind of have to do in this industry, really, to champion yourself and just remind people you're out there. Is this all under your you founded your own company, right? Found and nickel? I I wanted to bring this up. Yes. Okay, what's the ethos of that or the origin of Found and Nickel, first of all?

SPEAKER_00

You're going to laugh so hard.

SPEAKER_05

I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_04

I am such a huge fan of Monsters Inc. Specifically. Wait, same. Monsters, yeah, Monsters University. Is like one of like if I'm sad, like it's like it's like a tier. It'll be How's Moving Castle first. Like, that's the first layer. I'm a little sad, but I'm not, I'm not down in dumps. Okay. Second layer, it's getting a little serious. This is where Monsters University is. Okay. And then if I'm really sad, I'm watching Cinderella with Brandy. I went to Houston. That's right.

SPEAKER_05

So good. Did you see the little thing they did, the reunion? They came back for descendants.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. Yes. Oh my God. Yes, I actually met Brandy too, and she was so sweet.

SPEAKER_05

She's so sweet. Talk about an underrated talent, okay?

SPEAKER_04

Oh my god. Oh my god. And I got to watch her work in the studio. I said, what is going on? But yes. So those are the rankings of those movies. If I'm down in the dunce, I'm watching Brandy when he Houston. If it's a little in between, it's still serious. It's Monsters University, right? And then we cast those up. My God. Monsters University. Yes. Yes. I'm always watching. Okay. I'm always watching.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But in Monsters University, in the very beginning of the movie, you see the two like headed pigeons, right? And then you have the fact that I'm saying it for Bayon is crazy. And then you have the bus come in where they're going on the field trip for the first time to Monsters Inc.

SPEAKER_02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04

And Mike is the last to get off. And he's so freaking cute. He's so tiny. And he has this big old eye. He's so tiny. And he jumps off the bus and he's like, Look, I found a nickel.

SPEAKER_02

That's literally what I need to do.

SPEAKER_05

I need five. Wait, that's that is how did you so okay. So how did you okay? Oh, here's the thing. When I have good ideas sometimes, I'm like, this would be a great name for something, whatever. But you actually remembered to name Is this your LLC?

LLCs S Corps And Actor Money

SPEAKER_05

Found and nickel. Was it just CZ? Were you like, no, it's it is Found and Nickel?

SPEAKER_04

I purposefully re-watched the movie so I could get inspiration on something because I wanted it to be thing with Monsters Inc.

SPEAKER_05

This is incredible. This is I don't remember how to do that. I don't know what to say, everybody. Is the LLC for business purposes as far as like protecting yourself, or is it just to have to create content? Like what is the It's for acting.

SPEAKER_04

So like if you don't know, this is a great tip for actors.

SPEAKER_05

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

You're an independent contractor. So when you have like an S-corp or an LLC, you can get paid through that. And a lot of times, like a lot of times. Sorry, I still can't believe the name. I love it.

SPEAKER_02

I love it so much. Continue.

SPEAKER_04

But as an S-corp or an LLC, you get to have all of your money go to that rather than immediately getting it all taxed, which like when we get our checks directly, it's a big cut, like taxes. So instead, you're getting it paid to your corporation and then you pay yourself.

SPEAKER_05

And then you pay quarterly or whatever it is, and you take out the gosh. We could do a spinoff on taxes, which I Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04

We could do man, just so many actors do not know like what we're getting ourselves into, like financially and stuff. That's why I'm I literally went back to school for accounting, so I'm in accounting right now.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. I think I've called you smart like at least 10 times on this podcast. That is incredible. And off the mic, I'm I need help. I had an accountant.

SPEAKER_01

I'll help you.

SPEAKER_05

We help we'll have love conversations. Reign supreme over my money. I had an accountant once. It's funny because you said this earlier in regards to contracts, and she filed my taxes as Robert Perpetual. And it said perpetual, which is actually talk about names. Shout out to my cousins. They started a whole spa thing called perpetual. It's a good name. But then I was like, IRS knocking down my door? Like, did I file? And she was like, well, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_04

I've had so many like bad experiences. Thank God the people I have now are good. But it's just like I've had so many bad experiences that I'm like, I just need to learn this for myself. So I can, you know, look over it, make sure everything is right the way that it needs to be, the way I won it's a week. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

So that's why I'm and you can write off so much as an actor, too. I think we forget. Still, it's one of the only occupations you can do that for, I believe.

SPEAKER_04

In general, though, you can actually write off a lot. A lot of these big corporations write off a lot.

SPEAKER_05

True.

SPEAKER_04

So Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

You can write off all the all the what is it, $199 that you spend on Monsters University to watch it on Amazon. No. I downloaded it.

SPEAKER_04

What do you think this is? I bought it.

SPEAKER_05

I know you own it. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_04

Own it.

SPEAKER_05

I'm actually I'm shocked I don't have a Monsters Inc. like stuffed animal or something in here.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, it's bad. Like I, my closet, Mike Wazowski. Like I have a Mike Wazowski backpack. I have Mike Wazowski, I have a Mike Wazowski shirt. I have a Mike Wazowski onesie. I have a Mike Wazowski, I have two Mike Wazowski plushies. I have a little Mike Wazowski wooden thing that my like my friends just buy me Mike Wazowski gifts because they know I love them so much.

SPEAKER_05

I love that. Okay. Well, I'm gonna send you something for coming on here at Mike Wazowski.

SPEAKER_04

Shout!

SPEAKER_01

I'm gonna lose my mom!

SPEAKER_05

I'm gonna try I just send you nickels. You're like, uh, this is actually like $10,000 of nickels.

SPEAKER_00

Hey, I do you want to give me $10,000 of nickels? I'm not gonna fight you.

SPEAKER_05

That was not recorded, everybody, but I am gonna check in because I do think your closet door should be painted to look like a scream door.

unknown

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_04

I also have a little screen door keychain.

SPEAKER_05

Inspiration. Scream door. Use it for that. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Oh my god. Have you been on the ride?

SPEAKER_04

Which I've gone on that ride by myself many times.

SPEAKER_05

As you should.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, because I'm okay. I'm so so with roller coasters. So when you know my friends want to repeat, I'm like, I'm going to Monsters Inc. I'll see you guys later.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, is there a project you've been a part of that you think would make an epic roller coaster?

SPEAKER_04

Well, kind of like Hellfest. Hellfest actually did something like that. I didn't get to go because I was filming um The Wilds, but they actually had a walkthrough that was like Hellfest themed for the horror film during Halloween.

SPEAKER_05

Oh my gosh, that's so that is epic. I love that so much. And I love that you were here so much. And I would just appreciate.

SPEAKER_01

Me too.

SPEAKER_05

And we always end with a gotten andor a given. So your best, the best piece of advice you've either gotten in this industry or that you have to give, or both, but sometimes people struggle with both, or they're just the same.

SPEAKER_04

So yeah. The best advice that I've gotten. The only one that's coming to mind is like Octavia saying, like, don't play this role twice. Don't do this again. And I think that similar to what I would say I would give is like sometimes we give so much to this industry and forget to give to ourselves and forget to look at what it is re we really want to accomplish as artists because we get so caught up in the business of it all. But know your worth, know what you bring to the table, and go from there. Don't feel like you have to like I mean, I'm not trying to be mean, but don't feel like you have to bend over backwards to like like don't feel like you have to like really hurt yourself to to do this, like experience burnout and all that stuff. Like, and especially too nowadays with so much like being able to make your own content. Like, I can't wait till I start making my own shows and stuff with my friends. Which I'm actually kind of doing. I did um me and my friend Michaela Lee, who was on Truth Be Told, we're doing a a book podcast. Shout out to Mr. Book Club.

SPEAKER_05

Wait, can we tease when that's coming, or is it just kind of starting now?

SPEAKER_04

Is it so we're hoping to start filming episodes soon. So it'll either be this year or next year that we will have that out for everybody.

SPEAKER_05

I love that. Tune in. I'm such a bookworm, so I can't wait to listen. That's gonna be a good one.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it's like your own personal book club. Basically, we're just gonna choose different books and eventually have the fans choose the books that they want. Um, and it'll be like we read along together and go over and give our tea and what we liked, what we didn't like, all of it.

SPEAKER_05

Oh my god, I love that. Well, I know you were on truth be told, but if you have any podcasting questions, I'm here and I can't wait to tune in and see what you do. I will say, know your worth, Rain. Your worth is it's worth way more than a nickel. Let's just put it out there.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01

That is so funny. I've never said that publicly. That's this is this is a first. This is a perfect, get it, get it. TMZ, get it.

SPEAKER_05

Disney?

Parting Advice And What’s Next

SPEAKER_05

Michael Eisner. Is he still the guy? I don't think he is. Roy Disney. Anyway, Rain, this is about you, not them. I appreciate you so much, and I'm actually just so glad that young actors have you to look up to because you have such a good head on your shoulders, and you're so talented and kind. And I just appreciate you. So thank you.

SPEAKER_04

I appreciate you. I'm so glad we got to do this. Me too. Yay!

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