Seth

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Seth - Season 3, Episode 2

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[0:00] Music.

[0:13] Welcome to Stargate SG-1 for the first time. Still not a Star Trek podcast. My name is Jeff Akin, and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the first time. And I'm Brent Allen, and I'm also watching Stargate SG-1 for the 47th time. But for the first time, I am going through this series looking for what Stargate is trying to teach us. Those sci-fi messages, you know, those things that hold up a mirror to society, give us hope that things can be better in the future, or just plain tell us how to be better human beings to one another. This week, Brent, we are watching Seth, which is the name of my boss. And I think this is going to be an episode dedicated to him. We're just going to see awesome leadership happening, supportive stuff, people doing great things for their teams. This is just going to be a reflection from what, like 1999 on my boss here in 2024 as we record this thing. Totally makes sense. Well, July 2nd, 1999, to be exact, which was the original air date of this particular episode, second episode, season three, Seth. And I mean, Jeff, you absolutely nailed it. Boss, great leadership stuff. Yeah, there you go. Nailed it, man. You got it. I don't even know why we need to watch the episode now. Go as high level as I possibly can. I'm going to get one of these right someday.

[1:23] Well, hey, listen, I really want to encourage everybody to make sure you stick around because I've got some really cool kind of behind the scenes stuff for this. It's not really behind the scenes, just other things. We've got, I want to encourage everybody to make sure you stick around for the talk at the end because there's some fun information to share about this episode. But with that, Jeff, it is time for us to go watch this episode. If you're joining us for the very first time, first of all, welcome. You're amazing. You're awesome. Thank you so much for joining us. While you're here, please click subscribe, whether it's to the YouTube channel or the podcast feed you're listening to or wherever you happen to be. Hit subscribe. Also, please leave us rating and review. And the way this is working is Jeff and I are going to watch this episode right now for the very first time. If you're hanging out with us on YouTube, you're actually going to get the video of that. It'll be chopped up and all that kind of stuff be YouTube compliant. However, if you want the full unedited version, head over to patreon.com slash. Bye nerds. And you guys can catch that one over there. If you're listening on a podcasting app, you're about to gate into the future. You're going to catch us after we watch the episode. You're going to hear my first time reactions. You're going to hear any of the sci-fi messages Brent found in this one. And I am eager to. Build those memories so I can give you that reaction. Brent, let's dive into Seth. Let's do it. Nothing weird sounding about that.

[2:44] L7 locked. Oh, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff. We need your help. You need our help. With what? let's just call it a gold hunt gold gold okay gold hunt, look at this pyramid here jeff a projected hologram with no silver halide coated plates no photopolymer film no actually i was what's being projected it's like that was awesome family tree of the ancient egyptian gods actually of the gold system of its the symbol of Satesh is oscillating, that is a symbol for Satesh have you met him too? I have met descendants of Izjafar alright, who's this Satesh fella? Ancient Egyptian god of chaos embodiment of hostility and outright evil there's one gold we've lost track of Seth, a record of him ends when the Earth's gate was buried in ancient Egypt we think he still might be here hiding among Earth's people.

[3:59] I feel like this and Into the Fire, like they're doing such a better job, even out of mind, of that big cliffhanger out of the cold open. Right, right. Like so many of them in the first two seasons were like, and okay, here's a little thing, there you go. And then we go to the credits now, it's always like, here's a huge existential threat. Right, right, right. You want us to help you find this snakehead who, if he's here at all, would be hiding in one of six billion people on Earth? It's like 10 now. I know. How do you know he's still alive? He's alive if he has a sarcophagus. Or if he changes hosts every 400 years or so. He wishes to remain hidden among you. Kind of gives Needle and a Haystack a whole new meaning. Second episode, they've used that metaphor. I know it's a long shot. Not necessarily. Remember, Satash is a gould. Yeah. As a gould, he will never lose his thirst for power. And they do have a pretty common MO for getting that power. False religion. Which shrinks the proverbial haystack considerably. Do it. Shrinks the haystack, just find those religious yahoos, and he's probably one of them. Your father has an unresolved issue here on your planet, and frankly, it's beginning to irritate me.

[5:05] Yes, your father's a proud man. He refuses to seek out your brother and mend their relationship. So I'm going to do it for him. Well, Mark isn't exactly rushing into my father's arms either. Even when we thought Dad was going to die, he wouldn't take my call. It hurt your father deeply when his son didn't come to him on his deathbed. Because the creature represents Satesh, the helmets of the Satesh guard have continued to be the source of many jokes among the Jafar.

[5:31] Jaffa jokes Let's hear one of them I shall attempt to translate one on you A serpent guard, a horse guard And a Satesh guard meet on a neutral planet It is a tense moment, The serpent guard's eyes glow The horse guard's beak glistens, The Satesh guard's Nose trips.

[5:58] He loves it okay 100 there is nothing in that cup that daniel's drinking a similar god showed up he'll just walks away he's like well similar crash on domains another fictitious animal representation a new cult arose in england in the early 1800s cult had an enigmatic leader named seth they were constantly under attack by the christians then and this is the important part seth's worshipers all of them were found dead having slit their own throats but seth's body was never found. Guy liked to leave a lot of dead bodies behind. Did you lose the scent there? I thought so, until on a whim I did a search on the U.S. government classified net in case the CIA had a record of something somewhere. And guess what came up on the ATF page? A cult whose leader is named Seth. Just north of Seattle. Right where we happened to feel. We're investigating him now because they've become so heavily armed and fortified. This guy has about 50 followers who are all apparently ready to die for him. You mean to say you actually found this guy? How do we know he's our group? It's the World Wide Web. Jacob, come on. The programmed ex-members of the cult describes Seth as having magical powers and the ability to heal. Several independent reports have stated that the cult leader can make his own eyes glow. Hmm. Sounds gouldish. Name's Jason Levinson. Camping out here the past month, hoping to catch a glimpse of my boy Tommy. At least know he's still alive. He's been in there nine months now. Your boy's in there. No, no, you've got that long. My son isn't in there.

[7:26] To be wild if he was coming up from the 619 to join the cult there you go get my boy out same time as his you help us we might be able to help you i'm with you sir a couple of uzis, that's a 90s thing to say 15 day waiting period for those weapons sir they're such.

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[7:58] I wonder how that, you know, how do you, how do you call in the, we're with the Air Force. We are taking authority over everything. We, we got this. This is in our jurisdiction. They can't tell you why. Galactic. Tell me what interest the Air Force has here. That would be classified. You guys special forces? Also classified. I was talking, you're commanding officer, Colonel. He's right. It's classified. So what do you plan to do? Surround the compound, negotiate, try to get them come out peacefully. You have no idea what you're dealing with. And I suppose you do. As a matter of fact. Great. Then why don't you tell me? I can't. It's classified. Classified as well. Fine. Well, I'll tell you what. Can we assume some kind of brainwashing is going on? It's probably Nishta. It's a biological compound that once inhaled infects all tissue in your body, including your brain. Can it be reversed? Nishta does have an Achilles heel. Once its effects are reversed, it can't reinfect a host. They become immune. Okay, well, how do we reverse it? There's only one way. An electrical shock. Strong enough to kill the organism, but weak enough not to kill the host. That is why it worked when I shot Rack with the Zat-Nukatau. Then we go in with Zats. Well, it's not going to be very covert. Literally shoot everyone with a Zat. Like I said, any kind of frontal attack is going to be a problem. Daniel's right, sir. Besides, with all the firepower he's got, we wouldn't stand much of a chance anyway. Airstrike. Zat-Gun airstrike.

[9:26] Fly by. Hemner, I just got off the phone with the president. Of the United States of America? Sweet. How's he doing? Seems like a thing for you. Yeah, you're not weird. You know. In fact, I'm to issue you an emergency special agent credential. He's put you in charge of this operation. Excellent. My first order of business. Get me one of those cool jackets. Double XL if you got it. You want to tell me why the Air Force cares so much about this cult? It's classified. I'm a way out, send my team in. Right? Your team. Do you want to tell me about this? No, I don't. It's classified. Why don't you tell me about this? This Seth guy got some kind of secret weapon you don't want the world to know about. Something like that. This dude's just pushing, man. Yeah. All right, listen. Since you have clearance, I'll throw you a bone. Seth and his boys got their hands on some top-secret technology that we would prefer not fall into the public consciousness just yet. Comprehend? Now I know some cool stuff I'm satisfied.

[10:35] You got it Thank you For example, many Egyptian leaders built their compounds with underground escape tunnels That is correct Apophis had them built into his facilities, Okay, so we should do a perimeter search outside the fence And look for those tunnel entrances That's a lot of territory We'll have Mr. Hamner's men help us There you go Go look for some holes, So while that's on pause, something I was going to say just a second ago before i got distracted it's getting taken care of sorry uh can you imagine just being on your job you get a call from the president of the freaking united states of america right it's like uh and you're gonna say are you sure you want to do that honestly the fictional rules are clear sir like he's arguing with the president i say credit to dude credit to dude you know i mean he's not wrong you know you don't just like oh you have a title so i'm gonna lay down and just do whatever you say you verify you're the president you know do you ever see uh what crimson tide you verify those orders yeah but when you hear he verified he's hearing his voice yeah it's like yeah cool just so you know i want to make sure you have all the information this is actually kind of against the law yeah i don't care i'm the president okay you say it you don't have to like you know plant your flag in there but you say the thing i think he did the right thing that's fair that's fair all right, Also, like, also, he totally kept his.

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[12:07] He's got a point of entry. Now what? As soon as we get near anyone on the inside, we could get compromised and shot. Or worse, we get dosed with that organism, and all of a sudden we're working for set. It won't work on me or Tilk. How do you like Daniel's haircut here, Jeff? I like it better than what he's had before. It just doesn't really quite work for him. It's not the floppy butt part, though. Right, exactly. Dad, you said an electrical shock like a Zat gun would snap us out of it. Yeah. It is very late 90s. Like, I'll say that. Sir, I think I have an idea. If the jolt is big enough, it'll work. But you'll have to stay under the Nishter control long enough for it to spread through all your tissues. Otherwise, it will regain a stronghold in your body. Give me 10,000. Psst.

[12:50] Ah, hey. Okay. That doesn't seem like as much of a push as a Zack gun has. I agree. That's more like the handshake, like, oh, buzzer thing. You remember the movie Ghostbusters where they put the little electrodes in their mouth? Yeah, uh-huh. He was zapping the dude who was getting everything right. But Zach Gunn, you should be doing this. Right. We should see it circling your body. Just a little, whoa! How do you think he'll use this? Historically, he used women as a harem. They catered to his every women. As a result, they were well cared for. He got that going for you. And the men outside the main court were used mostly as warriors and guards protecting his compound and pretty much doing his bidding. What a non-sexual day.

[13:43] That was a really kind of lame way of getting that exposition in on what happens there. Sam being like... What would he want us for? What would he want more people for, Sam? What do you think? Especially people who are military. Why? Take a wild guess. I mean, but at least he's well cared for the harem, you know? Now what? Very kind. Why are you asking me? Well, you knew there'd be tunnels, so... Come on, Daniel, think. How to ghoul do stuff. There it is. Come on, Daniel. You've been around long enough to know this. I hate when that happens Say goodbye to your impure military past We're always happy to welcome you disciples to the bliss that only Seth can bestow So this is the initiation of the cult They all get the Nishta, So help me if I wake up and I'm singing soprano, I feel like if this was a cult there'd be levels they had to go through before they got the Nishta.

[14:49] Also maybe it would not because the initiative takes you you don't have to be that should take you through the levels uh-oh somebody changed her disciple how are you feeling i will now train you for seth okay pretty good good do you feel strong enough to be in service of your god seth yes of course this way of course yeah that's quick man she just woke up like dude give him some time Shall I activate the devices? No. I didn't find out from his college roommate, because Tommy and me hadn't been talking for something like six months before they sucked him in. I do not understand. Uh-oh. How could a father not speak to his son for so long a time? Oh. Oh. I don't even remember why. Obviously, something pretty stupid in the scheme of things. So, Max, he's laughing right now. Keep it going. Keep it going. Do human parents not love their children unconditionally?

[15:41] It's a funny story. so things get complicated. Many things are complicated, General Carter. In Jaffa society, loving one's children is not one of them. Come on, Dilk. In human society, sometimes it is. Wow. There you go. Seth is life. Seth is happiness. Seth is almighty. Again. Seth is life. Seth is happiness. Seth is almighty. O'Neal is resisting. It's not quite there for him. Right. Sam's all in. You were once murdered. Were you not? It's an interesting way of putting it. I sense a trace.

[16:20] Bring me those who came with her. General Carr, there's a problem. Who does your military work for? The system lords or the Tok'ra? I have a vague recollection of what you're talking about. The Tok'ra. No choice. Do it now.

[16:47] Yeah that's kind of lame yeah really should be a little bit more work for a programmer, who hired us to come remove one of your disciples but now we are enjoying the bliss that is set right now they're trying to make us think it didn't work how is it possible that you enjoy the bliss when you are able to lie to seth oh awkward the impure forces that you have prophesied are surrounding the compound. Take them and kill them. It's only a TV thing. It's why take them and kill them. Just kill them. Well, he can't sully himself. He can't have that. Unless he's the one who's visiting the killing. Although, didn't they say he kills people right in front of everybody? Yeah. Well, that would be good. Let me stand here for a second so you can shoot me with this thing. What happened? It's okay. We're here to help you. Hi, Tommy. Yeah, pretty obvious, because he's talking. We must distribute them throughout the compound. Thermal detonators, magic eight balls that have been spray painted. It's probably really what they are in real life.

[17:53] Music. and I don't act. This guy is a real piece of work. It won't be on you. It'll be on me. Oh, yeah, here we go. Go. Well, they all recovered from that zap pretty quick, didn't they? Well, it's just one shot, you know, and they're doing it.

[17:55] Look at that. Now, can you activate those transport rings? I think so. I have to prepare for the worst. Your people have been caught,

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[18:54] I said it is like your tone. Right. Zack guns are cool, but they got to figure that hand thing out. They got to start making those.

[19:08] Music. Ooh, whoa, whoa. That was the I am your god. Your father will survive. Stop safe. How would I control this? You have the will within you. You have Joel and R. Do it. There we go. Go, Sam. Go. Go, Sam. Go. If that works for her, she needs to never not wear it. Hey! Yeah! Get it, Sam. Just because my reproductive organs are on the inside. Look what I have on the outside. Boom! Iron Man, eat your heart out. Dude, that's awesome. Just drove him down like that. That's sweet. Now she's tasted the power. She literally buried him. You killed him. Hail Dorothy Wizard of Oz right there Really should have been the thing we counted Uh huh Too late now No not really But it's a lot of work to go back so Yeah.

[19:10] I know he means business. He's taking his jacket off. Man. Bum. Bum. Yep. It's a test. It's okay, Kato.

[20:37] Music.

[21:07] Can do is hug and smile and nod and show a moment of forgiveness unpaid extras don't shake unpaid extras hug all right well i want to welcome back all of our listeners on the audio podcast who just gated into the future we have caught up with you jeff and i have just finished watching seth for the very first time jeff before you go i will i will tell you this is an episode i almost always skip really i got about halfway into it going why do i skip this episode maybe maybe like three fists of the way it was a little more than half why do i skip this episode this is really good and then i was like oh yeah this is why i skipped this episode but that's brent's thought jeff You had your first time viewing of this.

[22:05] Take us through it, bud. What you got about the episode, Seth? This is a fun episode. It was cool. Yeah, I enjoyed this one. I'm not going to say I enjoyed it a lot, but I enjoyed it. I think this is, we're in season three, right? And for so many 90s sci-fi shows, season three is where the ball really starts rolling. I think it has like good, good episodes, you know, but it really picks up towards the end typically. But to me, it's, it's more, it's less about the episodes and more about the momentum and theme and just like being able to write the episode, you know, they've figured out the world, the characters and those things. And like, this felt like that. It's felt like a, I mean, Stargate has never not felt fully realized, like from children of the gods. It's felt like a complete universe.

[22:51] But for the first, I mean, one of the first times this was just like, we're going to dive in to evil Gould of the week and just go.

[23:00] Just go, and it's going to work, because I don't have to tell you what a Zack gun is. I'm going to pull Nishtha out of nowhere, and it's just going to make sense, because, of course, there's something like Nishtha. Like, I get it. And you've kind of already seen it a couple of times. Exactly. Or versions of, like they even mentioned. Like Hathor's thing? Oh, yeah, but even worse. Yeah, or that thing that, you know, Apophis used on Ryak, my son. You didn't have to ask who Ryak was. You knew. Yeah. Got all this stuff. And so I think there's been a couple episodes that I say is, like, the culmination of stuff. And this isn't the culmination in like the apex, the peak or anything, but this is an episode that was built on the episodes that came before it. This there's, there's no real, um, I mean, there's some meat to this. You're going to, I, you're going to have some sci-fi message stuff to talk about. I know that, but, but beyond that, there's not a lot of meat. This is just an episode. This is a Gould of the week episode. Yeah. That's all it is. It was fun. Uh, it was interesting. I think my favorite, I had a couple pieces in there that I, that I liked. One was um learning more about the system lords yeah there's a couple dozen system lords couple thousand gould and the tokra are keeping track of them and stuff like that okay cool and then sam got a hand thing a gould hand thing and totally rocked it i want her to never stop wearing that hand thing if in the next episode she's not wearing it i'd be like what selmak come on it's It's not exactly standard issue, though, Jeff.

[24:25] The tow car probably have more, or they could make one or steal one. No, but she's U.S. Air Force. Doesn't she have to have certain pieces of gear and stuff? Does she not get something special? I don't know. That's special qualification, right? So she'll be Captain Carter slash gold hand thing. Special qualification. Yeah, because she has a dead ghoul inside her body. Exactly. That's her qualification. It's kind of a big deal. What is her qualification? She can make it work. Yes. Here, you put it on. Tell me what happens. Nothing? Here you go. I liked how Seth... She literally buried a ghoul with it. That was a slick scene. Right into the ground. I like how he used the word blended. Yeah. You've been blended. Yeah. It's interesting. Kind of gross. Well, I mean, isn't that the word that the Trill use? Joined. Oh, joined. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Fair.

[25:25] I really didn't like the actor that played Seth. Hey, fun facts about him. Yeah. A few episodes back in season two. He played daniel jackson's father are you serious yeah i remember the episode we were going back in the memories and stuff yeah he was daniel jackson's dad which is fascinating because in that episode he got crushed by a bunch of rocks and in this episode he got blasted down into the ground as if he was hit with a rock right right i am really insensitive let's let's start counting how many times daniel's dad gets killed via rock two for two so far but yeah i could tell what they were going for with him and he just yeah i mean he wasn't bad but it was just like oh you you got the 50 cent version of the guy you were looking for it was okay but yeah this was it's an enjoyable episode i i wonder why because daniel they're talking about this guy so his name at first was setesh they were looking for setesh and then daniel's like oh that's set or seth or all these different names why did he stick with seth you know i don't know like modernized version of the name in english i guess yeah i could guess i would have gone with set you know but i mean that's just i mean if i would if i was a gould god system lord i'd go by set well i mean especially as soon as i saw you know 1982 wrath of khan comes out seti alpha prime yeah that's my place right there.

[26:50] Just with that that's what if i could put alpha in my name i'm gonna do it seti alpha If you can call me Seti Alpha Prime, like I'm an alpha and I'm a prime. There you go. Right. Speaking of Transformers mixed in that. Totally. Right. Speaking of Prime, Brent, there's some Prime messages in this one. I'm curious to hear your take on the sci-fi messages in Seth. Well, before I get to that, Jeff, a couple of things. A couple of things in this episode. You didn't name. This gold goes by many names.

[27:23] We talked a little bit about this during the video, So I want to make sure we just hit it here for our audio folks real quick. We do discover that there are many Goulds out there, but only a few dozen have attained the level of system Lord. I tell you, it's really probably not even that many. To tell you the truth. Like it might be a dozen. Or a baker's dozen. Yeah, yeah. A couple dozen. But yeah. Right. Most of the Gould, though, are in service to other Gould. And I will tell you, this is something you will begin to see more of. Oh, this Gould serves that Gould and certain things like that. This is the episode, the first time we ever see Tilk laugh, and we got a pretty good chuckle out of that as well. Yeah. I can't believe I missed that. That was one of my favorite things. He had a joke. Yeah. Yeah.

[28:05] Also, let's track. Jeff, how many Gould have been killed by SG-1? So now we have hathor and in theory yeah uh did horror no no no no there was other dude um this would be the third third yeah there's because there's raw we called ross yeah that's okay raw and then hathor and last episode and then seth in this episode yeah so that's that's uh that's quite a few i wonder who else we talk about them being the fifth race right if you're going to go down who's killed a chunk of gould i bet that the other four were were named in thor's chariot yeah yeah so the fifth race actually yeah so this gould takes the the personality of seth and if you remember these are not these gould are not the gods of old they are portraying the gods of old which i still find very weird but the the real life mythology of seth actually i find very fascinating seth was the brother of the egyptian god osiris whom i'm sure you've probably heard.

[29:09] Osiris was the first thought to be the first pharaoh of Egypt, the first ruler of Egypt, according to mythology, not in real life. But basically, Seth was his brother, and he was the god of the desert, of foreign lands, thunderstorms, earthquakes, eclipses, stuff like that. It was considered very, very powerful, very, very frightening, right? Right. He often was used as the patron god of various pharaohs throughout time, particularly those who wanted to come off as powerful and frightening. Ramses and, you know, these conquerors. I'm going to take Seth as my god. Right. Seth killed his brother Osiris to take his throne, chopped him up into pieces, scattered him all around Egypt. Really? Yeah. Yep, that was Seth. And eventually Horus, who I think was Seth's or Osiris's son or maybe other brother. I think Horus might have been the other brother or something like that. He went around, found all the body parts, gave them to Isis, Osiris's wife. She sewed him back up, and he becomes the lord of the underworld. Osiris does. Okay, okay. Right?

[30:16] And he eventually defeated Seth in combat. Now, post this defeat, Seth was later adopted by Ra, and basically Ra made him Thor. He was the god of thunder at that point. And rock and roll. Right? And he protected Ra from Apophis because the way they would say is when the sun goes down, because Ra was the sun god, right? When the sun goes down, he's traveling through the underworld at night. That's what Ra was doing to come up on the other side so he could go around. So while he was traveling through the underworld every night, Seth would be protecting raw as he goes through from Apophis. Okay. So anyway, a little bit of the real world mythology of Seth. It's kind of cool. Or Set or Sitesh or whatever. The god of many names. Yeah. Yeah. So you asked me about the messages. So, you know, the litmus test we use here, right, is holding up a mirror to society, giving us hope that things can be better in the future. I'm not going to say we had any of that, really. Yeah, maybe a little bit. Just it kind of all ties back together. But certainly, how do we be better human beings to one another? Probably could get a little bit of mirror to society, although I'm going to say this is more to the individuals than opposed to society as a whole. But to me, I mean, Jeff, this really focuses on the relationship between parents and children. We had Jacob come in.

[31:40] And we learned right at the top of the episode, he and his son are very much estranged, so much so that Sam is also estranged. Yeah. We saw earlier that Jacob and Sam kind of didn't necessarily always get along in previous episodes.

[31:55] And Jacob's sitting here saying, oh, I'm not mad at him. And he didn't come see me. And I'm not hurt. He's not even my son anymore. And blah, blah, blah, blah. And then we get this dad looking for Tommy, right? Looking for his son. And he's like, man, I'm going to do anything. And we were fighting. I don't know. He's just literally holding up a mirror to Jacob. And here's Teal just death glaring Jacob. How could a father not love his son, Jacob Carter? You know, right? Right? Getting in his face.

[32:27] And there's just this great line that boils the whole thing down. And you see the love of the son when he pops up out of the hole, Tommy. And he's like, Tommy, he didn't even let him out of the hole. you know we're like dude there's people below the ladder get out of the hole right um but they they're hugging and they're embracing and you know all that crap whatever separated them didn't matter at that point you know all went away all went away you know but there had been a crisis there had been something that happened all of a sudden it was cured we see at the end jacob shows up on mark's doorstep you rightly pointed out last mark knew his dad died right or about died or whatever uh and all of a sudden there's no word spoken they just look his dad grabs him and hugs him and he sort of stands there for a second and then puts his arms around his dad and is super cool with him meeting his kids come on in dad let's have dinner or whatever let's catch up Yeah, that one didn't really feel like it had that same averting the crisis thing, but maybe it did. Maybe you could pull that in. But anyway, opened the door. It clearly opened the door literally and figuratively to potentially doing. And I think it really, you know, it's not the hey, this is how it works in the real world as much as here's the metaphor.

[33:43] Here's the we got we got to wrap this up in 10 seconds. So here we go. But Teal'c says the line. He says the line. He says there are many things that are complicated. I'm going to paraphrase what he said. He said, there are many things that are complicated.

[33:57] Loving one's children ought not be. Yeah. Wow. Wow.

[34:05] Talk about wisdom right there from the mouth of the deal, man. Sometimes it is, as Jacob said, but it ought not be loving. Your children should not be complicated and should not be hard. You know? Yeah. I say that with the understanding that there are lots of viewers out there right now. There are lots of people who are listening to my raspy voice go, yeah, but Brent, you don't understand what's going on between me and my kid. Yeah, but Brent, you don't understand what's going on between me and my dad. Look, let me tell you what, you know, the last two words my biological father ever said to me. I sure do. Was F you. Yeah, that's right. The last two words he ever said to me. All right.

[34:46] I don't know. I'm, I have been, I know what it is to be in a difficult relationship with a parent. You know, it's probably what drives me as a parent. To make sure that lines are constantly clear with my kids. I never, I never pretend to be perfect with my kids when I screw up and I do, I own it. I own it quick. I apologize. And I ask forgiveness for my kids so we can move on and come right back to being good. And you know what? I'm fortunate enough. And I'm very happy to say I have a great relationship with my kids. You do, you know, and I love those two. I really do. I love those two. Everything in my life really revolves around those two you have super cool kids like they are they're cool they are cool they get a great family they get most of that from their mom that's my nice way to say you have a really great family because your wife's really the star of the show she really is she really she is amazing um but the truth is is is that i keep those short accounts because of what happened with my dad.

[35:47] You know what i mean like like i'm intentional about that i understand that things ought not be difficult but I can say this.

[35:56] Throughout my entire life with my biological father, I always wanted a relationship with him. Yeah. Even when things were bad, I wanted the I'm sorry. I wanted the when Jacob shows up and he hugs Mark, I want the hug. And literally, that's all it really needed to take. You know, again, I'm not speaking to everyone's situation out there. I know things can be difficult, but in the words of Teal, they ought not be. I'm not saying they're not. I'm just saying they ought not be. I don't know what it takes to find forgiveness. I don't know what it takes to extend. I don't know what it takes to get out there, but I think there is something that is deeply innate in the relationship between a parent and child that even when things aren't good, you want them to be. Like it is potentially the, dare I say, the easiest relationship to mend, or at least the most accessible relationship to mend. The easiest door to open, to use my earlier metaphor. Yeah, because it's still mom and dad. You know, my mom and dad are never their first names to me. I know for some people they may, but even when Mark opens the door and he sees his dad sitting there, it's not saying, oh, hi, General. Hi, Jacob. It's dad.

[37:17] You know what I mean? Like it's still, it's still that. So I, in, in that there's a hope in the future that, listen, if you're estranged from a child or any loved one or parent, there is hope that that can be reconciled. You know what I mean?

[37:36] A mirror to society. Again, this is might be more mirrors to individuals to tell us how to be better humans to one another, go to them, do the work, do, do whatever it takes. It might be, it might require more than showing up on the doorstep and giving them a hug. Yeah, that's very true. Right? But do the work because there are many things in life that are complicated, but loving your children shouldn't be one. Shouldn't be. Shouldn't be. And I want to be really clear that I'm saying shouldn't be. Well, I think I'm not saying they're not. I'm just saying. And I want to dive in on that point because I think it's really important. I know people and very close to me who are in situations where it's not safe for them to be around their kids. Fair. Yeah, yeah. It's a real thing. And boundaries are important. And when I say safe, I don't just mean physically. You know, I mean, it can be emotional. It can be financial, you know, for a lot of people. But it puts them in a place where it's not safe. So, I mean, you're saying it really well. It ought not to be, but sometimes it is. I just really want to double down on, for those of you out there who have put up and are enforcing boundaries with your kids for these reasons, you're doing the right thing.

[38:44] And what I have often thought, and this is kind of my take on the message there, is that doesn't mean you stop loving them, right? Like I think my opinion, the world, according to Jeff, your love for your child should truly be unconditional and eternal forever. Now that doesn't mean you have to like them, right? Like love and like are different things. And so keeping that in mind, I can love them from afar with boundaries in place that protect all of us. Yeah. But that love is there. And part of that love being there means the door is never locked.

[39:21] Right. So I have these boundaries up for my safety, for their safety, people's safety. That's not a forever thing. It might be, it might be for you, a forever thing, but there's always that chance, that opportunity that they can come back, become the prodigal son or daughter, you know, and come back. And frankly, that's, that's what I'm talking about. There's always that one, like that particular relationship there. It is always the one that is, again, not the easiest, but the potential is always there. Exactly. You know, like that, that one. And I think that in generally that's shared from both sides. You know, and Jeff, I thank you for saying that because you're a thousand percent right. Having boundaries with somebody oftentimes is loving them. Amen to that. Loving them does not always look like opening the arms for an open embrace to just kind of come in and do whatever you want, you know, but loving the, the, you know, I dated a girl in high school that, you know, I'm. Good catch. Yeah.

[40:26] Yeah. Just had a difficult time with forgiveness. Let me just say it that way. You know, great person. She was a great person. She really was. Just had a difficult time, you know, had had had some stuff with that. And, you know, I know there was often some fallout, but things are what they are, you know. Very true so chevrons i gotta bring oh my gosh i gotta bring this all down uh chevrons you know a lot of times we hold this up like is this the core message is this whatever no i don't think it was the core message of the whole show really tell you no no i don't but i will say it was a thread from the opening scene literally to.

[41:07] The closing scene that's fair so it carried through it was it was the through line i think that made us care about this episode because without tommy who cares about seth yeah exactly we had no connection to anybody on the inside until sg1 went and got themselves locked up like without tommy we didn't care and to be able to turn around and put that back on jacob and and expand the carter family a little bit or quite a lot actually by a third anyway more well you got a grandkid slash niece on the on the board now yeah and apparently there's you know there's got to be a mom involved in that too so you know there's there there is certainly that expanding so i jeff i think in looking at it if looking at it through that lens of what this episode really comes down to this is i'm gonna give this one like three and a half uh chevrons really like yeah i think it's it's it's it's a pretty strong message like it's it's right there on your face and i mean tilk says the line there are many things that are complicated loving your children ought not be so it's a little low i think for where i would have gone but i think it's a fair radio i i i think it was more than a thread in this i think in a lot of ways the seth storyline was a vehicle to have jacob and mark reconcile the whole existence of levinson and tommy was to That was the prime mover to get, you know.

[42:33] Mark, Jacob and Mark to have some reconciliation. I think that was the story of the episode. The Seth stuff was just a vehicle to get us there. You know, Jeff, I think you're right. And, you know, I think we talked about in the last episode, sometimes I'm still having problems with the seven Chevron scale.

[42:49] I'm going to bump this up to a five. Yeah, I think that's great. Because I really do like, is it a seven? Like, this is what the whole episode was revolving around? No. But I, you know, I do like it. Like, it's, I'm with you. I'm with you. Good point. I'm swayed. Now, you sway me. Sometimes I sway you. True. Jeff, I rate you. Nope. Yep. I rate you rank. Where are you ranking this one in our season three? SG 100% completely accurate and definitive ranking of SG one.

[43:22] We only have one episode out there right now. That number one episode is the episode from last week, which is into the fire. Jeff, where do you place this one? This is very easy. This is our new number two into the fire is going to be, it's going to be, that's gonna be a tough episode to beat. I'm not going to lie. They spent a lot of money on it. It shows it was great. I said, this is a good episode. I enjoyed it. This wasn't a great episode, sure but uh i initial thought on is i'm not going to skip this one on a rewatch necessarily okay it's number two and i'm going to go ahead and predict right now that it will not stay in the number two spot for long i you know i i mentioned to you earlier like this is what i usually skip and i was watching the first half and i'm like what it's right about the time i think when we meet seth that i'm kind of like oh yeah the whole cult thing just yeah that's where it kind of i I don't want to say gets goofy or goes off the rails for me. It's just, it kind of just becomes like between the cult thing and the over the top ATF guy, it becomes a little tropey.

[44:21] Tropy. That's a great word for it, but I will tell you, I very much appreciate the father son relationships throughout this more than I ever have before looking at it through that eyes. So absolutely good stuff. All right, Jeff. Well, that is going to do it for us here for the episode. Seth, would you like to know what we're watching next time? I suppose. All right. Oh, come on. Buck up, buckaroo. I'm just nervous about guessing again. I'm getting a little... Well, you should be able to get those things. I do think that the title does give this one away. Fair Game.

[44:52] Fair Game. Maybe it doesn't give it away, but... Well, it could be a hunting episode, right? It's Fair Game. Good. The human hunting one, the island of Dr. Moreau. Oh, yeah. I bet we'll have that episode at some point. I don't think this is it. I think Fair Game. Uh this is going to be the um take me out to the holosuite of sg1 they're going to end up on a planet and that's going to be some good relations or whatever but like their culture is rooted in sport of some kind in order for them to like really get relations moving they're going to have to play their game and it will just out of curiosity who was the ghoul and then took this group over? I took a question. I have no idea.

[45:35] Zeus, Olympus. Oh, there you go. Sure. The Olympia, the Olympiad itself right there. Right. Yeah. I think this will be, this is this, we're going to, they're going to have fun. They're going to play some sport and it'll be great. All right. All right. Well, you're a good guesser, Jeff. Sure. And we'll see. We'll see if that's what's going on right here next time on Stargate SG one for the first time. Thank you guys so much for joining us. Hey, don't forget wherever you are to like, subscribe, rate, review, all those sorts of things. It just lets other people know how awesome we are here and not so much how awesome we are here. Just this great community we've got built up. Don't we, Jeff? Amen to that. I mean, come for the Stargate. Stay for the people that are here. Like the community is incredible. They really are. Really are. We're just like the window dressing. The real stuff's inside.

[46:24] Absolutely. Absolutely. So you guys make sure you do that. And hey, listen, be sure to share this podcast with somebody that you know who loves Stargate SG-1 or somebody who needs to get into the gate, just like my good friend Jeff over there. So with that, until next time, before Jeff stops me, I'm going to get out of here. Dang it. Missed it by that much. Yeah, Jeff, what's up? You know how we're both kind of not feeling really well, right? A little bit, yeah. Do you know, out of curiosity, how, with us not feeling well, how you can tell which one of us actually ruined this episode? No. it's the one whose nose is dripping. Oh, for crying out loud. Oh.