Legacy

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Legacy - Season 3, Episode 4

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SG1_304 Legacy

[0:00] Music.

[0:15] Welcome to Stargate SG-1 for the first time. Still not a Star Trek podcast.
My name is Jeff Akin and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the first time.
And I'm Brent Allen and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the 47th time.
But for the very first time, I am looking for what Stargate is trying to teach us.
Searching out those sci-fi messages. I've never looked at the show through that lens before.
So I'm doing it for the first time with that particular idea in mind.
You know, searching out those things where does it hold up a mirror to society, give us hope things can be better in the future, or does it just tell us how to be better people to one another?
This week, Brent, we're watching the fourth episode of the third season of Stargate Legacy.

[0:57] Last week, I guessed, I predicted that this is going to be about the legacy of the Tauri Stargate.
We're going to get some of the more ancient history around it.
We'll find out pretty soon how close or far off I was.
Before we get there why don't you tell us a little bit about legacy yeah well today it was very little bit today uh fourth episode season three legacy original air date july 16 1999 so you know these people that watch the show way back when they've had four good weeks of stargate right in a row without a break right in the middle of the summer directed by one of our favorites jeff mr peter.

[1:34] Delouise oh nice uh with that anything else i have we're going to talk about on the back side of this show so why don't we jump into it if you guys are joining us for the very first time here's how this is going to work jeff and i are getting ready to go watch this episode right now uh what that means is if you are hanging out with us on youtube you're going to catch the reaction we're going to do a reaction video to this episode of stargate jeff and i watching it together real time if you want to catch the unedited version of that the full version head over to our patreon page at at patrion.com slash and you guys can subscribe there and check out all of that good stuff along with all the other stuff we have going on here with buy nerds for the first time, everything, uh, it's all right out there.
There's a lot of content on there. And if you're listening on a podcasting app, also go check out the Patreon.
Cause there's a ton of content there that you're not seeing and it's pretty cool and an awesome community, but you're about to gate into the future.
You're going to catch us on the backside of the episode to hear my for the first time reaction to hear about those sci-fi Messages that Brent might have found in the episode.
So what do you say Brent? Let's start this one legacy.

[2:48] Music.

[3:05] All right jeff uh well you have just watched legacy for the very first time i've watched it the first time looking for messages and whatnot but jeff you get to go first talk take us through your experience of legacy this one took me on a journey like at first i thought this was going to be a ghost story and i was really concerned because i'm like we this will be the third episode almost in a row that we've had some invisible thing i'm like really really well wasn't that so then i thought it's called legacy right and it's with daniel they're trying to say some stuff these group the limberis who are another uh faction of the symbiotes i think it's interesting as a side note we call them ghouls right we call them that's the name for them but But the Goulds are one group of this symbiotes. There's also the Tok'ra.
There's the Jaffa who are not really, but they're just the incubators really. And now the Limbris.
They're symbiotes. Stop calling them Goulds. That's a very specific group of symbiotes.
Well, I think the species we would call Goulds.

[4:15] But then of the species you have, here's the Tok'ra and here's the Limbris.
They're all still the same species. They're all still the same creature.
It just, their politics and how they act and how they behave are very, very different.
And then you have the system Lords, which, uh, you know, probably make up 95% or 90% or whatever of all the ghouls out there, you know, uh, I don't know if that's an accurate, number or not, but I did notice talking about the system Lords, a real, uh, change in language in this episode from past seasons.
Reasons they're really really focusing on calling them system Lords the the limberists weren't trying to take out the gold they were trying to take out the system Lords right and so it's so maybe yeah that is kind of the thing where that makes sense they're all Gould but some of them are different flavors and now we're calling them the system Lords right right but so as I'm watching I'm thinking they're trying to tell their story they want their Legacy to live on through Daniel I'm like, oh my gosh, is this Stargate's inner light episode?

[5:19] Not that either. No, uh, Daniel starts losing his mind and we get, uh, we get a little bit of a look at how people with mental health challenges were treated in the nineties.
I don't think that was an intentional, uh, move on the episode, but it was very accurate and what it did, I have to call out Michael shanks incredible.
Yeah. In this episode.
So well done. He's in this padded room and like.

[5:45] He's flush and he's sweaty and he's seen things that no one else has seen he's kind of talking to himself a little bit and it's so believable it's so great fast forward to the very end of the episode and we have dr fraser going through the same kind of cycle not not good that was that was not well done not not nearly on the same level as as what michael jakes did um if If I can add to that though, Jeff.
Yeah. Amanda tapping in this episode. When she's watching Daniel, the way like everything is emoting through her face and her eyes and she's barely saying a word.
And you really see that coming through on her part.
Teal'c was just as stoic as he always is.

[6:29] Jack was concerned and there, but he also certainly was concerned.
Concerned, but I mean, Amanda just really, really had that, that going for her.
But my note here, my God, Michael Shanks can act.
It was really good. And on the thing with Amanda tapping also, it hit me how, when we're around people that are sick or have bad things going on in their life, we tend to look upon them with pity.
And I felt that's what Sam was kind of doing. She was hurting hurting for her friend daniel but there's also like this this thing of pity and i know for me this may not be for everyone but if i were in daniel's spot and i had enough agency to know what's going on i'd be like don't don't pity me like i don't want your pity but it also feels like the right thing to do i'm not i'm not at all denigrating sam for what she did it was just made me think about how like that's our natural reaction but almost never actually helpful to look at it that way.

[7:27] Oh i and i but i do think you know where you and i at some point realized daniel did have his agency and he did have his faculties no one else realized he had them at that point exactly and the point that amanda was in the room with him i mean that sam was in the room with him he did not actually have his faculties at that point no not at all but i hear what you're saying that's an interesting point i don't know if you'll bring it up when you talk about the messages but it really was was a real through line in this episode was people blindly believing what they believed and not being open to anything outside of that.
There's a real short path in this, that honestly Jack had almost did at one point, but had a really close chance to just be like, okay, Daniel, tell me what you're seeing, tell me what's going on.
Tell me what I should test. Well, let's try what's the harm in trying this thing out.
But instead they're like, there's nobody here, Daniel.

[8:20] What what's wrong with you, man. And can't you see it's all just, just kind of interesting, but at that point, right, things change.
We hear Michelle's voice, which is a great callback to holiday.
And in holiday, we found out that, you know, he was making, he's an inventor, right? And it, all of his inventions were meant to kill Gould.
And this was just, this whole thing was one of his inventions getting picked up.
So I don't know. It was really, it was, this was a, it was an interesting episode.
I, I think for Michael Shanks is acting for me really, really takes this, uh, uh, to the level that it's at.
And I think the fact like the, the writing of this episode was done in a way that really took me on a journey that I wasn't sure what it was, I felt confused, just like everyone else on the show was not sure what was going on.
I thought it was really well crafted in, in how they put it together.
My beef with the episode, my beef is the big thing that saved the day was putting Putting a vial of blood into a centrifuge, like the most basic, like type phlebotomy day one.
Yeah. And like, that was like this big tense moment of like, oh my God, you're going to do that.
That, that really sucked a lot of wind out of the air for me on that one.
The question I have out of this one.

[9:38] So they put this, uh, protein strain that you get when a, when a ghoul dies inside of you, gave it to Dr.
Frazier gave it to Jack are they Jolinard now are they going to be good and my funny observation out of this one that I just love and I think again it shows the power and the the skill behind the writing and character development in Stargate we saw Michello for one episode and in that one episode he was actually Daniel as Michello which you know is pretty cool if you know what's going on there yeah but I just thought it was so so the little thing the little setty eel goes into their their ear and it's meant to go and kill the gold and then pop out.

[10:20] And it was designed it's just this little invention designed to be like when the ghoul dies to pop out and be like i killed you you know or oh you delivered me to the thing it's so michello, so michello to like put a little voice recording at the end that was great so i i do want to just call this out so you had the limbris assume this worked the way that we saw it the limbris go in they operate this pad they get the little things in their ears one one each there's ten in a pad they got nine of them there's one left over whatever but each one of those nine it would have gone in made them incredibly sick as we saw with teal and killed the gold did it kill the host.

[10:59] Or did it leave the host alive like it did daniel and janet and jack and teal and it should have left them alive should have then that means that they stayed in the room and died of starvation or suffocation exactly that's oh and i don't think michelle with that one all the way through but that is the uh that's the harsh reality of that particular situation like yikes yeah it's hard and i think too i have to imagine that if i was like a fully what do they say fully blended with my gould and my gould died that's got to be a traumatic and sad experience you know know or maybe it's very liberating but also you know traumatic in its own way yeah you have that plus no food limited air water and again a theme that i'm noticing in this and babylon 5 you put people in a room where are they going to the bathroom not on those pads that daniel had in his room now the the the limberists yeah they're probably just going it was probably probably gross but well no they have zat guns i can just add it away yeah that's my take on the episode all All in all, pretty good.
Did you get any sci-fi messages out of this one? You know, I feel like I should have, and I really...

[12:14] I was looking i was really looking is this a commentary on mental health no it really wasn't you know it really it really wasn't i daniel did michael shanks i'm sorry michael shanks amazing amazing acting you know what it reminds me of uh jerry ryan in that episode of voyager where she had the the multiple personality thing going on and she was at and all of a sudden you're like Like, oh, Jerry Ryan can freaking act like, yeah, this is that episode to me for Michael Shanks.
I do kind of want to pick up a few things, a few threads in which you talked in which you kind of started down that path, because I do think it is something that we see there and we see it even my favorite word juxtaposed later on in the episode.
They come in, Daniel's having issues. And you say at the beginning, like he's telling people like, hey, this thing's going on rather than being like, okay, what happened?
End, he says at the beginning, when we were in the room, I felt something brush past me should have been a clue to say, Hey, let's go do this.
But new Mr. Doctor dude walks in guy that we haven't seen since episode three.
And it's like, Oh, it's gotta be schizophrenia. Let's put him in a padded cell.
If anything else happens.

[13:26] And they had that in their head and they just, they went forward with that rather than go, did something happen?
Hey, we've got this mystery. street, how did they die? How did they, how did they die locked in a room?
Wait, something's going on with Daniel. We were just in that room, felt something brush past him. There's gotta be something going on.
This isn't a schizophrenia.
This isn't, we were just having headaches from gate travel.
They just went with what this doctor said and let that color everything and, and miss really what should have been fairly obvious.
I think it's, it's in, in like medical terms or even scientific terms, It's a rule out, you know?
So yes, the apparent thing, it's textbook schizophrenia, he said, so that's apparent, but let's be curious and let's rule out this kind of weird thing that happened on our mission.
Let's just humor us. Frankly, even if they had to put Daniel in the padded room, somebody needs to be going back to that room and checking out stuff on that planet or go with the big hazmat, whatever, because we didn't know that it could go through the gloves just yet, right?
But here's the thing. As soon as Daniel's in that room and he says, Michello, he said it twice.
As soon as he says, Michello, that should include in Jack Teal, Sam to go.
Whoa, wait a minute. Something's there. I get the idea. Hey, we all saw Michello die. How is this Michello?

[14:52] Leftover tech is not hard to fathom, right?
Come on guys. It was, it was the whole big deal at the end of holiday.
Day like this is my stuff right right so it just feels like that should have should have been a thing as soon as he said that but then later later when the one doctor's there janet and sam and and jack are in the room and they're all freaking out and the dude's under is like yeah we can't separate out the protein sorry we can't do it can't do it it takes this you'd have to do this you have to do that gotta separate the protein and janet i'm gonna push back against what you said that, Jeff? Okay.
The whole climax has put the thing in centrifuge. No, the whole thing wasn't put in centuries.
It was solved. The problem solved. The problem is we can't separate out the protein. Well, you don't have to separate out the protein. Just get it to the plasma.
That's what, that's the, honestly, I love the genius of that. The simplicity of it.
I really do. The problem with the red blood cells, get rid of the red blood cells. Everything else can go.
Yeah. So, Hey, we're going to do it that way.
I don't like the idea that they put that thing in teal and then it worked for teal or that it worked for for really jack and jack um.

[16:03] I'm gonna tell you this because i don't want you thinking about this later okay because i don't want it eating up bind space for you if this was babylon 5 i would punch myself for telling you this right now it's fair we're never gonna hear about this again from for jack and janet and teal okay well never will we hear about it again i think that makes sense also i mean i think about a lot of the vaccines and things that we get that impact proteins that doesn't last forever yeah but they should this this show is really good at picking up old threads it feels like they should have i just don't think they thought this one all the way through is is honestly what i think they needed it for this plot and so here we go that's fair very rarely are you ever going to hear about about jack ever having been infested with a gould for any amount of time whatsoever Like we probably just got the last mention of that now, which frankly, if it's the last time they mentioned Hathor, I'm okay with that.
They're never going to mention him being a Jaffa again for 20 minutes.
Like certain things just don't come back up. My pushback on your pushback.

[17:04] Is can't push back on my pushback i'm gonna push back on your push back on my pushback but really like so i get that she was under duress there's a lot going on but what would it have taken just to say we just need to get rid of she eventually got there after this whole argument just we're just getting rid of the red blood cells because as soon as she said that dude was like you're brilliant now i can help you do this thing yeah but they had to your other point they had to have this this is my way this is my way conflict they weren't saying they weren't communicating you can't do it you need this equipment i can do it i have a centrifuge you can't i can you can't and it took her eventually well i'm just gonna pull out the red blood cells boom now they're working together because when she first said it and i and i noted that this time she first said she's like centrifuge it's like she just couldn't say anything else other than the one word and then later she's leaning over she's in a worse state oh you don't have to get rid of all the things just get rid of the red blood cells like she spells it out for him.

[18:07] You know where like wait a minute why didn't you just say that a few minutes ago like if you had the ability to say that so i'm with you on that aspect of it but i do love the the genius of of janet frazier frankly yeah anyway all of that to say i think when you look at that conversation between Janet and the doctor versus the team and that other doctor, McKenzie, you really see this.
Are you just going to go with what the expert says?

[18:37] Or are you going to go with the person in front of you and sometimes you need to go with what the expert says i i'm not saying to ignore the expert but you also have to take in other factors yeah.

[18:49] Is that a lesson is it a sci-fi message no maybe i don't i i think it could be if it if it led to anything i think this this was a thing that we're reading in it right that i don't think was the point at all and if it was the point the message would be be curious right but that was never a part of what we saw it was never where it was this was just conflict like i think it really was just conflict it was stupid conflict that had nothing to do with being sci-fi it's just people or conflict so i'm i'm giving this one zero chevrons jeff like i can try to dig it out but i think it's great episode in my opinion i don't know about you i think it's a great episode fantastically acted fantastically directed uh the playback is all skittery sorry that's my fault uh not theirs but zero chevrons that's the rating that's the message portion jeff you get.

[19:45] To rank it though how good was this episode how much did you enjoy this episode placing it in our definitive season three ranking of stargate sg1 currently our season three ranking sits at number one is the episode fair game from last week then we have into the fire and then we have seth jeff where do you place legacy where i'm going to place legacy i think is more of a commentary on the quality of season three so far because where i'm going to put it you're gonna be like really that's where you're putting it yeah just because like everything has been good so far this is going to be our our number four episode. Yeah.

[20:22] And I'm saying that really because like I was between three and four for it, but, i enjoyed like seth just had more going on and more continuity i guess more contiguous storytelling to it oh but it being a number four by no means means i did not like it legacy is going to stay in the top five for a while at least for one more week but i'm gonna guess a couple more weeks like this is a good episode okay okay i listen i couldn't change it and even if i wanted to even if i wanted to personally i would rank it uh of the three this would be my favorite episode of the season so far i love this episode really but that's personal preference, personal preference into the fire is good i like fair game a whole lot seth i kind of leave down there it's not my favorite episode personal preference uh but i get where you're coming from, you know but i think that just goes to show uh the quality of the season every single episode here i I would watch again and again and again. There's not a skip.
There's not a laundry episode.
These are sit down and watch episodes so far. I love it. I love that.
Well, speaking of that, then it's time to get on to the next episode.
And the next episode we are watching, Jeff, is an episode. Oh, I'm really curious where you're going to go.
I promise you this, Jeff. We're going to have some messages next week.

[21:47] This episode is called Learning Curve. Jeff, would you care to take a guess of what Learning Curve? I'll give you this one little hint This is about as sci-fi as you gonna get, really what you got of course i was gonna go with like hey this group of uh former terrorists come on board and yeah get a little out of line and then somebody has to train them how to do things i will i'll i'll take it a step further jeff this episode could play in star trek in any series.

[22:17] Immediately script as it is change some names put it on a starship this episode plays like a star trek episode so this is going to be this is going to be new technology that shows up on their doorstep and they've got to figure out how to use it this is a game potential game changer for the game changer either to the good or can kill everybody and they have to figure this thing out and there's going to be within the sgc within the government piece there's going to be a faction on both sides we can weaponize this thing or this thing can really help us do uh do good things well jeff as i always say you're a good guesser sure yeah well we will find out right here next time on stargate sg1 for the first time thank you guys so much for joining us and enduring the jitter so sorry it's technology we'll get it figured out and it's not going to happen next time uh don't forget to subscribe to this podcast wherever you get your shows please leave us a rating or review share this show with somebody you know that loves stargate sg1 or it needs to get into the gate just like my good buddy jeff right over there until next time guys we will see you hey brent you're so close yes jeff what's up i told you he's he's right there he's right there for crying out loud.

[23:35] Music.