Legacy

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Legacy - Season 3, Episode 4

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[0:00] Music.

[0:13] Welcome to Stargate SG-1 for the first time. Still, not a Star Trek podcast. My name is Jeff Akin, and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the first time. I'm Brent Allen, and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the 47th time. But for the very first time, I am looking for what Stargate is trying to teach us. Searching out those sci-fi messages. I've never looked at the show through that lens before. So I'm doing it for the first time with that particular idea in mind. You know, searching out those things where does it hold up a mirror to society? Give us hope things can be better in the future? Or does it just tell us how to be better people to one another? This week, Brent, we're watching the fourth episode of the third season of Stargate Legacy.

[0:54] Last week, I guessed I predicted that this is going to be about the legacy of the Tauri Stargate. We're going to get some of the more ancient history around it. Find out pretty soon how close or far off I was. Before we get there, why don't you tell us a little bit about legacy yeah well today is very little bit today uh fourth episode season three legacy original air date july 16th 1999 so you know these people that watch the show way back when they've had four good weeks of stargate right in a row without a break right in the middle of the summer directed by one of our favorites jeff mr peter de louise oh nice uh with that anything else i have we're going to talk about on the backside of this show so why don't we jump into it if you guys are joining us for the very first time. Here's how this is going to work. Jeff and I are getting ready to go watch this episode right now.

[1:44] What that means is if you are hanging out with us on YouTube, you're going to catch the reaction. We're going to do a reaction video to this episode of Stargate. Jeff and I watching it together real time. If you want to catch the unedited version of that, the full version, head over to our Patreon page at patreon.com slash. Bye nerds. And you guys can subscribe there and check out all of that good stuff along with all the other stuff we have going on here with by nerds for the first time everything it's all right out there there's a lot of content on there and if you're listening on a podcasting app also go check out the patreon because there's a ton of content there that you're not seeing and it's pretty cool and an awesome community, but you're about to gate into the future you're going to catch us on the back side Of the episode to hear my for the first-time reaction to hear about those sci-fi messages that Brent might have found in the episode So what do you say Brent? Let's start this one legacy Yeah Ha, Oh Oh Oh, Oh Oh, ideas about this place it's not easy to get a shot like that the lighting it's really well done stripped and deserted map showed no life science you ancient gore will design right.

[3:13] I wonder if it keyed into his ghoul that is not a good spell.

[3:21] All right level a that's where i sit back and go isn't it too late yeah we got it in your mask These aren't quite human. They're go-a-u. Well, Jeff, you need to watch a book. Nothing's happening. What? I felt something rush by me. Yeah, all right, let's pack it out of here. That's enough. The medical containment.

[3:45] Music. About a minute! Yeah, that's how all my work locker rooms looked like, with bathrobes and just, you know, A little cozy. Uh-oh. I always wonder. Like, that's a pretty good-sized locker. Like, you know, you got 12 teams right now? 10 teams? How many they got right now? Yeah, how much space is that? Yeah, as far as we know, there's only one girl in the entire room. Surely there's... Yeah, we've seen one on an SG team. You weren't calling my name in the locker room. So if this is a ghost story, this will be the third episode this season that deals with invisible enemies. Actually, no, because the Re 2 were second season. Dr. Jackson, what about that ghoul tablet device? Um, it's a ghoul dialect akin to Latin. From what Teal'c and I have made out so far, it's some sort of attack plan. That's what it sounds like.

[3:47] Unit. It's getting creepy. Mm-hmm.

[4:58] You seeing this nope just you daniel interesting idea that latin might have come from a, base dialect of gould it makes sense though makes you wonder how many languages have their roots and gould because they were here from early you know so early on think about that time in biblos when they were literally developing written language and those gould doing that could be, find out in season 6, I've often said it's probably one of the things I like about Stargate so much is I love when you take real history and reinterpret it you go oh actually this is what was happening you know this isn't real, but I'm gonna touch it I know.

[5:48] Yeah, he's got nothing to grab onto with that loose door. That's a scene almost straight out of Baldur's Gate 3. What's Jack doing? God. He's playing with an IV bag. What happens if I squeeze this? It's one of those snake things that keeps falling through your hands. Those are so much fun. Right? Hello. Hello. I got dragged into my closet.

[6:14] Uh no neither do i which means there has to be a logical explanation for what well you have a star gate i have a star closet when we were in the limbers chamber i felt something brush by me, and i've heard voices and i keep seeing the dead gould from the massacre where well last night they were in my closet this is amazing how often in sci-fi do people start seeing this stuff but They don't tell anybody about it. And that's where the whole episode comes from. In your closet. Yes. Literal skeletons in your closet. I don't think they're really dead. Who? Stifts in the morgue? No, the nine ghouls that were using them as hosts. I translated a phrase in that tablet that I thought meant attack, but when I refined the translation, I realized it means to enter by infiltration.

[6:59] It's the inner light. This is the inner light. They want to tell their story and their legacy through Daniel. They were being hunted by the system wards, right? What if they use some sort of technology to transform their bodies into, I don't know, energy? Or something. Energy? Or something. I don't know exactly how Sam can figure that part out. The point is, they're here. I think that's on her. A lot of people get headaches. I get headaches. Dr. Jackson has experienced what characterizes a first-break psychotic episode. Wait a minute. That's a big leap. Daniel's a schizophrenic, and it's caused by Stargate. It's the only logical explanation we have right now, Colonel. Well, it sounds fairly theoretical to me. Is that right? Does anybody think it could be stress? I was hoping he'd say it sounds theoretical, not like a proof. Like steal Daniel's thing so he sounds smart. Daniel has paranoid delusions, auditory and visual hallucinations. If his theory is proven correct, limits will be placed on a number of mission. Until then, the Stargate is closed. General, there is no debate, Colonel. It's not a bad idea.

[7:57] They don't know what they don't know. We're going to medicate him and let him rest in one of the VIP rooms. But if his symptoms persist or he becomes a threat to himself or anyone else, we'll have to commit him to mental health.

[8:09] I like how they put that stank on mental health. Mental health. Well, in this case, I think mental health is a euphemism, not actual mental health. Right. Yeah. Check.

[8:25] I wonder if Bicycle gave them any money to put their product in. Uh-oh. Okay. Is that a gould on your arm, or are you just happy to be shuffling? How are you feeling?

[8:40] I'm fine. We're all fine here. How are you? Good. Real good. I like just the tail is hanging out there. This is cool to you. I've got to get it out. There's no cool to me. Easy, easy. I don't understand how... I don't know schizophrenia. I'm not a psychiatrist, psychologist, anything of that nature. He has one of these episodes. Why is he now passing out? Because i think there's more going on in schizophrenia or what do they call it now dissociative identity disorder i think you know much more about it dissociative i don't think i don't know i'm not again i don't know i don't know the terms i know did is a newer term i just i think it's for schizophrenia i could be wrong yeah people are literally freaking out right now I mean, oh my gosh. Jack? It's us, Daniel. Can you see us? They're coming. Only your friends are here, Daniel Jackson. They're coming. You roll with it, man. Where are they coming from? How far away are they? What do we need to do? Footsteps. Daniel, there are no footsteps. You're not helping. Stay with us. He hasn't been with you since the moment you walked in. I'm not going to lie. That room looks kind of comfortable.

[10:08] Why do they need aids seems like Teal'c's got it, you have delivered me to the vile so that I may destroy it you're hallucinating Daniel do you recognize the voice? Do you recognize the name at all? I remember Michello, He's like, I really, I know that voice. It's really familiar to me. Now see, if I'm Sam Till for Dan, or Jack, I hear him say that and I'm going, Hmm. Wait a minute. Because it was Sam who spent a lot of time with him as Michello, right? Like, they had a real relationship. Or was it Jack? He was out on his own for most of the time. I would say he was out. Yeah, it was with Daniel. Yeah. Daniel as Michello. It'd be cool, though, if they took him at least somewhat seriously and were just like, hey, let's observe. See, Michello is dead. Dead. You're not helping yourself. Yet he told you that there was someone inside you making you appear crazy. Point taken. I wouldn't buy that if I were you either. But also, Dr. McKenzie, we travel intergalactically to a lot of wild places. Contact the SGC. Find out if Teal'c is sick, if he is. There you go.

[11:27] Music.

[11:37] I'm guessing it wasn't actually Michello. Probably. It was probably some sort of technological or organic recording. And it said something about delivering Michello to the vile Gould, which made me start thinking. Maybe I had some sort of Gould-killing invention inside of me. One of Michello's inventions. And that's what made you nuts? Well, since I don't have a Gould, a side effect of this invention must make normal people act like they're... ...schizophrenic. Well, dude, you had something grab your head and... ...scramble your brain. Uh-huh. Well, he does have a Gould.

[12:10] I could see it like causing those schizophrenic pieces because it's expecting two lives and two personalities in there yeah yeah makes sense michello's been dead for six months how could he be responsible what if he planted those killing devices there six months ago or a year or a year two years ago or 10 years they're just they're so convinced that he's wrong they're not even listening yes like dr fraser one mines are still going off in france today We looked. There can't be anything. You looked at what you know. You think that Michello made this thing, right? Right. We created off everything in Michello's laboratory to Area 51, and it's all in our database. Let's see if we can find something that looks familiar. There you go. You're going to find the little Newton pad. See if we can find the prototype for it. Yeah. You can't scroll past the screen because it's one of his things. Hey, we recognize that device. Right there. In that one. Right there. Back it up. Why did he make so many page-turning devices? Hey, Jack. Who's nuts now, huh? There you go. There they are. I am counting five, ten altogether. So if all PTDs are the same, we're looking at about ten per device. So I got infected. There were nine Linvris. And when you activated the device, the last one went into you. Okay, let's... I feel like an apology might be in order. Put it under the scope.

[13:28] Flubs are breached. That's not good. Quick, go to a system lord. Just jump through a gate to any system, Lord. Can you step on it? Can you... Oh, right in the back of his hand. I'd like to apologize in advance for anything I may say or do that could be construed as offensive. As I slowly go nuts! Likewise, Crown. Mm-hmm. Jack? Sir, there's nothing wrong with me. Sam, you've got four of those things in here. Well, I know that, but I feel fine. Joel and R. Maybe that's out. It's looking for Joel, but there's no Gould, so it's mission accomplished. Well... You're close. That's a good... Not quite compromised, but that's a good, like... Oh, I think I spoke too soon. What's wrong? Oh, God, something's happening.

[14:40] They're dead. Little fish, man. It's like painted Swedish fish. I think they're dead. Come on, there's got to be a way. We've got all this stuff. I'm sorry, but you need to use high-pressure liquid chromatography to separate and isolate the protein factions from the rest of the blood. That would yield 30 to 40 and you'd have to test each one of them Okay, I get the point, Centrifuge The most simple thing we have in here It'll do it Put as much blood as possible in centrifuge Sam doesn't even stop She's not even sure what she's talking about Alright, I get blood.

[15:17] I've been waiting to bleed Let's do it Thanks for your vote of confidence Appreciate it You're going to remember it come review time. So Sam is also a trained phlebotomist? Doctor. I mean, her and Teal, right? Like, is that part of SG-1 training? Like, field training? Everybody goes out and set a needle and draw blood? It's probably an important thing to know. It's too hot. They're trying to suffocate us. Janet. Hey. This episode's taking a turn. You're a gold. Stay away. I'm not a gold, Janet. It's me, Sam. Put the test tube in the centrifuge. This is like the most basic thing that you do in a lab test, and they're making it like it's a spit-like. You have to listen carefully. Okay, so for whatever it's worth, they only put the one tube in the centrifuge? Yeah, it's gonna... You've gotta balance it. You've gotta have, like, just another one of water in it or something. Something, yeah. Get back with me here. It's gonna fling that stuff everywhere. I'm trying to separate that protein from my blood, remember? The centrifuge just finished. Now what? Quick freeze. Major, look in the freezer over there. See if there's any dry ice. I know a couple of physicians that are like Dr. Frazier and a couple that are like Dr. Warner. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Like ones who are like, okay, here's how we're going to do this. It's actually not hard. But the book says. And the others are like, no, this is the only thing that we've got to do. Looks good. Thank you for his patient. In Dr. Kelso's class, he told us to do it this way. Your idea.

[16:44] Yeah, that's fair. You had this idea. You get stabbed first. Uh-huh, yeah. What did she put on her arm? I know, right? That's not just like an alcohol swab. That's some stuff. Well, she's supposed to be sweaty. I sweat so much. I don't know that I've ever had my arm sweat like that. You look terrible. Thank you, sir. I need to give you a shot. Will you let me do that? I love how she's still asking consent. Like, that's great. I don't know that so much as that's consent. I'm about to shoot you here. Are you going to punch me? Right. I'm hearing you. You're hearing a cello? Yeah. Ah!

[17:26] So does that now mean that Jack and Janet have the protein marker? That's what I'm wondering. These things really do look like little minnows. Let's go fishing. I don't know if this is going to work. He'll have the marker, but he'll still have a ghouled larva. Depends on how smart Mochello made the little beggars. Are you feeling better, Tilk? Indeed. Mochello. I would love that. it's such a mocello thing too to like put a voice recording at the end of the whole thing that's right look at how they're sucking it off like that hey it's still cool they had the one i think so suck out a fish took stairs off into the distance fade to black that's how yeah that's it that's how a lot of stargate episodes end like problem solved no need to debrief we're just it's done right right there's nothing wrong with that really.

[18:28] All right jeff uh well you have just watched legacy for the very first time i've watched it for the first time looking for messages and whatnot but jeff you get to go first talk take us through your experience of legacy this one took me on a journey like at first i thought this was going to be a ghost story and i was really concerned because i'm like we this will be the third episode almost in a row that we've had some invisible thing i'm like really really well, wasn't that so then i thought it's called legacy right and it's with daniel and they're trying to say some stuff these group the limvris who are another uh faction of the symbiotes i think it's interesting as a side note we call them goulds right we call them that's the name for them But the Goulds are one group of the symbiotes. There's also the Tok'ra. There's the Jaffa who are not really, but they're just the incubators, really. And now the Limvris. So he's like, they're symbiotes. Stop calling them Goulds. That's a very specific group of symbiotes. Well, I think the species...

[19:35] We would call goulds go yeah but then of this of the species you have here's the tokra and here's the lempris they're all still the same species they're all still the same creature it just their politics and how they act and how they behave are very very different and then you have the system lords which you know probably make up 95 or 90 or whatever of all the goulds out there you know i don't know if that's an accurate number or not but i did notice talking about system lords a real uh change in language in this episode from past seasons they're really really focusing on calling them system lords the the limvris weren't trying to take out the gould they were trying to take out the system lords yeah right so it's so maybe that is kind of the thing where that makes sense they're they're all gould but some of them are different flavors and now we're calling them the system lords right right but so as i'm watching i'm thinking they're trying to tell their story they want their legacy to live on through daniel i'm like oh my gosh is this stargate's inner light episode yeah.

[20:40] Not that either no uh daniel starts losing his mind and we get uh we get a little bit of a look at how people with mental health challenges were treated in the 90s i don't think that was an intentional uh move on the episode but it was very accurate it and what it did i have to call out michael shanks incredible yeah in this episode so well done he's in this padded room and like he's flush and he's sweaty and he's seen things that no one else has seen he's kind of talking to himself a little bit and it's so believable it's so great.

[21:14] Fast forward to the very end of the episode and we have Dr. Frazier going through the same kind of cycle. Yeah. Not, not good. That was, that was not, not nearly on the same level as, as what Michael Chakes did. Um, if, if I can add to that though, Jeff, yeah, Amanda tapping in this episode, when she's watching Daniel, the way like everything is emoting through her face and her eyes, and she's barely saying a word.

[21:42] And, and you really see that coming through on her part um tealque was just as stoic as he always is jack was concerned and there but he also certainly was was concerned but i mean amanda just really really had that that going for her but my note here my god michael shanks can act yeah for real you know so yeah it was really good and another thing with amanda tapping also it hit me how when we're around people that are sick or have bad things going on in their life, we tend to look upon them with pity. And I felt that's what Sam was kind of doing. She was hurting for her friend, Daniel, but there's also like this, this thing of pity. And I know for me, this may not be for everyone, but if I were in Daniel's spot and I had enough agency to know what's going on, I'd be like, don't pity me. Like, I don't want your pity, but it also feels like the right thing to do i'm not i'm not at all denigrating sam for what she did it was just made me think about how like that's our natural reaction but almost never actually helpful to look at it that way right oh i and i but i do think you know where you and i at some point realized daniel did have his agency and he did have his faculties no one else realized he had them at that point exactly and the point that that amanda was in the room with him, I mean, Sam was in the room with him. He did not actually have his faculties. At that point, no, not at all. So, but I hear what you're saying, you know? Yeah.

[23:11] That's an interesting point. I don't know if you'll bring it up when you talk about the messages, but it really was a real through line in this episode was people blindly believing what they believed and not being open to anything outside of that. There's a real short path in this that honestly, Jack had almost did at one point, but had a really close chance to just be like okay daniel tell me what you're seeing tell me what's going on tell me what i should test let's try what's the harm in trying this thing out but instead they're like there's nobody here daniel what's wrong with you man can't you don't just yeah just kind of interesting but at that point right things change we hear michello's voice which is a great call back to holiday and in holiday we found out that you know he was making he's an inventor right and And all of his inventions were meant to kill Gould. And this was just, this whole thing was one of his inventions getting picked up. So I don't know, it was really, it was, this was an interesting episode.

[24:07] I think Michael Shanks' acting for me really, really takes this to the level that it's at. And I think the fact, like the writing of this episode was done in a way that really took me on a journey that I wasn't sure what it was. I felt confused, just like everyone else on the show was not sure what was going on. I thought it was really well crafted in how they put it together. My, my beef with the episode, my beef is the big thing that saved the day was putting a vial of blood into a centrifuge, like the most basic, like, hi, phlebotomy day one. Yeah. And like, that was like this big tense moment of like, oh my God, you're going to do that. Really that that really sucked a lot of wind out of the air for me on that one the question i have out of this one so they put this uh protein strain that you get when a when a ghoul dies inside of you gave it to dr frazier gave it to jack are they joel and ard now are they going to be good and my funny observation out of this one that i just love and i think again it shows the power and the skill behind the writing and character development in Stargate. We saw Michello for one episode.

[25:25] And in that one episode, he was actually Daniel as Michello, which, you know, is pretty cool if you know what's going on there. But I just thought it was so, so the little thing, the little Seti eel goes into their ear and it's meant to go and kill the Gould and then pop out. And it was designed, it's just this little invention designed to be like when the ghoul dies to pop out and be like, I killed you, you know, or, oh, you delivered me to the thing. It's so much yellow, so much yellow to like put a little voice recording at the end. That was great. Yeah. So I, I do want to just call this out. So you had the limbris. Assume this worked the way that we saw it. The limbris go in, they operate this pad. They get the little things in their ears. One, one each. There's 10 in a pad. They got nine of them. There's one left over, whatever, but each one of those nine, it would have gone in, made them incredibly sick as we saw with Teal and killed the Gould. Did it kill the host or did it leave the host alive? Like it did Daniel and Janet and Jack and Teal. Well, I think, I think they answered that. It should have left them alive. Should have. Then that means that they stayed in the room and died of starvation or suffocation. Yeah.

[26:39] That's cool. And I don't think Michelle thought went all the way through. But that is the, uh, yeah, that's the harsh reality of that particular situation. Like, yikes. Yeah, it's hard. And I think too, I have to imagine that if I was like a fully, what did he say? Fully blended with my Gould and my Gould died, that's gotta be a traumatic and sad experience. Yeah. Or maybe it's very liberating, but also, you know, traumatic in its own way. Yeah. You have that plus no food, limited air, water. And again, a theme that I'm noticing in this and Babylon 5, you put people in a room. Where are they going to the bathroom? Not on those pads that Daniel had in his room. Now, the Limvris, yeah, they were probably just going. It was probably gross, but. Yeah. Well, no, they have Zat guns. I can just Zat it away. Yeah. That's brilliant. Kind of perfect. I would do.

[27:31] Yeah. That's my take on the episode. All in all, pretty good. Did you get any sci-fi messages out of this one? You know, I feel like I should have, and I really, I was looking, I was really looking. Is this a commentary on mental health? No, it really wasn't. You know, it really, it really wasn't. Daniel did, Michael Shanks, I'm sorry. Michael Shanks, amazing, amazing acting. You know what it reminds me of? Jerry Ryan in that episode of Voyager where she had the multiple personality thing going on. and yeah she was at and all of a sudden you're like oh jerry ryan can freaking act like, This is that episode to me for Michael Shanks. I do kind of want to pick up a few things, a few threads in which you talked, in which you kind of started down that path. Because I do think it is something that we see there. And we see it even in my favorite word, juxtaposed later on in the episode.

[28:30] They come in, Daniel's having issues. And you say it at the beginning, like he's telling people like, hey, this thing's going on.

[28:36] Rather than being like, okay, what happened? he says at the beginning when we were in the room i felt something brush past me should have been a clue to say hey let's go do this but new mr doctor dude walks in guy that we haven't seen since episode three and is like oh it's got to be schizophrenia let's put him in a padded cell if anything else happens and they had that in their head and they just they went forward with that rather than go did something happen hey we got this mystery how did they die how did they how did they die locked in a room wait something's going on with daniel we were just in that room felt something brushed past him there's got to be something going on this isn't uh schizophrenia this isn't we were just having headaches from gate travel they just went with what this doctor said like and let that color everything and in miss really what should have been fairly obvious i think it's in in like medical terms or even scientific terms it's a rule out you know so yes the the apparent thing it's textbook schizophrenia he said so that's apparent but let's be curious and let's rule out this kind of weird thing that happened on our mission let's just humor us frankly even if they had to put daniel in the padded room somebody needs to be going back to that that room and checking out stuff on that planet or you know uh go with the big hazmat whatever because we didn't know that he could go through the gloves just yet, right?

[30:00] But here's the thing. As soon as Daniel's in that room and he says, Michello, he's had it twice. As soon as he says Michello, that should include in Jack, Teal, Sam to go. Whoa, wait a minute. Something's there. I get the idea. Hey, we all saw Michello die. How is this Michello?

[30:21] Leftover tech is not hard to fathom. Right? Come on, guys. It was the whole big deal at the end of holiday. Like, this is my stuff. Right, right. Right. So it just feels like that should have should have been a thing as soon as he said that. So but then later, later, when the one doctor is there, Janet and Sam and Jack are in the room and they're all freaking out.

[30:48] And the dude's other is like, yeah, we can't separate out the protein. Sorry, we can't do it. Can't do it. It takes this. You'd have to do this. You have to do that. Got to separate the protein. And Janet, I'm going to push back against what you said, Jeff. Okay the whole climax has put the thing in centrifuge no the whole thing wasn't put in centuries it was solve the problem solve the problem is we can't separate out the protein well you don't have to separate out the protein just get it to the plasma that's what that's the the honestly i love the genius of that the simplicity of it the problem or the problem are the red blood cells get rid of the red blood cells everything else can go yeah so hey we're gonna do it that way uh i i don't like the idea that they put that thing in teal and then it worked for teal or that it worked for for really jack and jack um i'm gonna tell you this because i don't want you thinking about this later okay because i don't want it eating up bind space for you if this was babylon 5 i would punch myself for telling you this right now we're never going to hear about this again from for jack and janet okay and teal well never will we hear about.

[31:53] It again i think that makes sense also i mean i think about a lot of the vaccines and things that we get that impact proteins that doesn't last forever like yeah but they should this this show is really good at picking up old threads it feels like they should have i just don't think they thought this one all the way through is is honestly what i think they needed it for this plot and so here we go you know um vic but here's the very rarely are you ever going to hear about about jack ever having been infested with a gould for any amount of time what's like we probably just got the last mention of that now which yeah frankly if it's the last time they mentioned hathor i'm okay with that. They're never going to mention him being a Jaffa again for 20 minutes. Like...

[32:32] Certain things just just don't come back up my pushback on your pushback is you can't push back on my pushback i'm gonna push back on your pushback on my pushback but really like so i get that she was under duress there's a lot going on but what would it have taken just to say we just need to get rid of she eventually got there after this whole argument just we're just getting rid of the red blood cells because as soon as she said that dude was like you're brilliant now i can help you do this thing yeah but they had to to your other point they had to have this this is my way this is my way conflict they weren't saying they weren't communicating you can't do it you need this equipment i can do it i have a centrifuge you can't i can you can't and it took her eventually well i'm just gonna pull out the red blood cells boom now they're working together yeah because when she first said it and i and i noted that this time she first said she's like.

[33:26] Centrifuge it's like she just couldn't say anything else other than the one word, and then later she's leaning over she's in a worse state oh you don't have to get rid of all the things just get rid of the red blood cells like she spells it out for him you know where like wait a minute why didn't you just say that a few minutes ago exactly if you had the ability to say that so i'm with you on that aspect of it but i do love the the genius of of janet frazier yeah so uh yeah anyway all of that to say i think when you look at the that conversation between janet and the doctor versus the team and that other doctor mckenzie you really see this are you just going to go with what the expert says or are you going to go with the person in front of you and sometimes you need to go with what the expert says like i'm not saying to ignore the expert but you also have to take in other factors yeah.

[34:24] You know, is that a lesson? Is it a sci-fi message? No, maybe. I don't. I think it could be if it led to anything. I think this was a thing that we're reading in it that I don't think was the point at all. And if it was the point, the message would be, be curious, right? But that was never a part of what we saw. It was never where it was. This was just conflict. I like, I think it really was just conflict. It was stupid conflict that had nothing to do with being sci-fi. It's just people are conflict. So I'm, I'm giving this one zero chevrons, Jeff. Like I can try to dig it out, but I think it's great episode. In my opinion, I don't know about you. I think it was great episode. Fantastically acted, fantastically directed. The playback is all skittery. Sorry, that's my fault. Not theirs. So, but zero chevrons. That's the rating.

[35:18] That's the message portion. And Jeff, you get to rank it though. How good was this episode? How much did you enjoy this episode? Placing it in our definitive season three ranking of Stargate SG one. Currently our season three ranking sits at number one is the episode fair game from last week. Then we have into the fire and then we have Seth, Jeff, where do you place legacy?

[35:41] Where I'm going to place legacy, I think is more of a commentary on the quality of season three so far because where i'm going to put it you're gonna be like really that's where you're putting it yeah because like everything has been good so far this is going to be our number four episode and yeah and i'm saying that really because like i was between three and four for it but i enjoyed like seth just had more going on and more continuity i guess more contiguous storytelling to it but it being a number four by no means means i did not like it legacy is going to stay in the top five yeah for a while at least for one more week but i'm gonna guess a couple more weeks like this is a good episode okay okay i listen i couldn't change it and even if i wanted to even if i wanted to personally i would rank it uh of the three this would be my favorite episode of the season so far i love this episode but that's personal preference yeah personal preference into the fire is good i like fair game a whole lot seth i kind of leave down there it's not my favorite episode personal preference uh but i get where you're coming from.

[36:55] I get where you're coming from. Maybe it was the jitters that did it for me. Maybe, maybe I'll go and watch it on my TV and be like, Oh my gosh, actually it's amazing. Yeah. You know, but I think that just goes to show, uh, the quality of the season.

[37:08] Absolutely. You know, every single episode here, I would watch again and again and again. There's not, there's not, there's not a skip. There's not a laundry episode. These are sit down and watch episodes so far.

[37:19] I love it. I love that. Well, speaking of that, then, uh, it's time to get on to the next episode. And the next episode we are watching jeff is an oh i'm really curious where you're gonna go i promise you this jeff we're gonna have some messages next week this episode is called learning curve jeff would you care to take a guess of what learning curve i'll i'll give you this one little hint this is about as sci-fi as you gonna get really okay what you got of course i was gonna go with like hey this group of uh former terrorists come on board and yeah because a little out of line and then no somebody has to train them i will i'll i'll take it a step further jeff this episode could play in star trek in any series immediately script as it is change some names put it on a starship this episode plays like a star trek episode okay so this is going to be this is going to be new technology that shows up on their doorstep and they've got to figure out how to use it. This is a game, potential game changer for the game changer either to the good or can kill everybody and they have to figure this thing out and there's going to be within the SGC, within the government piece, there's going to be a faction on both sides. We can weaponize this thing or this thing can really help us do good things.

[38:40] Well Jeff, as I always say you're a good guesser. Sure.

[38:45] Well we will find out right here next time on Stargate SG1 for the first time. Thank you guys so much for joining us and enduring the jitter so sorry it's technology we'll get it figured out and it's not going to happen next time uh don't forget to subscribe to this podcast wherever you get your shows please leave us a rating a review share the show with somebody you know that loves stargate sg1 or it needs to get into the gate just like my good buddy jeff right over there until next time guys we will see you hey brent here so close yes jeff what's up i told I told you, he's right there. He's right there. For crying out loud.

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